B (3:23)

Yeah. So Brad, you, you know, as Brad mentioned, he's a pastor and, and we've been pastors and so there's no doubt that all of us as pastors, you're there teaching the Word for years and years and years, might have people who are family members or whatever, they're there. And then you come to realize that in there in the conversation, maybe not come to realize, but you realize they've been sitting here, but they're not saved. They're there for their wife, they're there for their kids, whatever. We've all seen it. And so in a situation where a rapture happens, but you've been teaching the Word, you've been teaching prophecy, what's your first impression for that individual?

D (4:03)

Well, we know that there are a number of people that go to church that are what we would maybe call a nominal and belief. Maybe like you said, they're coming there because their wife is asking them to come or they've just come to church all this time because they think that's the right religious thing to do. But they've never engaged in that personal relationship. They've never submitted to the authority of the king and the Messiah, Jesus Christ. And so they're going to be left holding in the midst of chaos, trying to make very quick and very unprecedented decisions. And I think if they've gone to a Bible believing church, they're going to reach this point where they say, I've missed something. What have I done? I ignored the warnings, I scoffed at the teaching. And now everything that I have heard and have been taught is, has come true. And so I think a moment of panic is going to come into their eyes. They're going to have grief because they're going to have loved ones. That they probably know that are now gone. And the people they would turn for spiritual answers are gone. And so they're left in a state of confusion and a state of panic. And they have to rewind all these sermons that they've heard or books that they've read and begin to figure out, what do I do next? And I think that is going to really take them to a very dark spot at first, because we know that during this tribulation period, there are going to be decisions that people are going to make that's going to affect their eternity even more. Right. Because Revelation says those who receive the mark will be cast into the lake of fire.

B (6:00)

So

D (6:02)

the underscore is that's not the time you want to be making these decisions.

B (6:08)

Right?

D (6:08)

You want to be making these decisions on the front end. So panic is going to be, I think, one of the number one emotions that's going to come onto people, followed by a tremendous amount of regret.

B (6:21)

Joe, you know, you're, as you think about it, and again, we all have friends and family who are describing that or they're described as that. You have some, again, who are familiar with Christian ideas, you know, whatever, but then you also have just the average secular person, so talk about, you know, and go anywhere you want. But in the sense of your first impressions as well as one minute after.

C (6:48)

Yeah, I definitely think that there's going to be a lot of people like what Brad was saying, that they understand what just happened. And those are going to be those that are in the churches now. Of course, we have those that are in churches that are not preaching and teaching on prophecy right now. They don't teach on a rapture. So those people are also going to be confused and they are going to not know what happened. But a majority of the world, the secular world, that doesn't know anything about Christ, doesn't know anything about church, doesn't know anything about what's going on from a prophetic sense, they are going to think that this was some kind of insane event that just occurred. Whether it be, you know, they're going to have to have an explanation to explain away this event that we call the Rapture.

A (7:29)

Joe, what are they going to be seeing? Now? We can't say for sure, but based on your Bible studies over the years, this person we're talking about, what's he going to be seeing in the world on television when he goes out in the street, what's going to be happening?

C (7:45)

So we can go back to 20, 20, 2021 time frame and just look at what we saw on our TV screens, just in the riots that ensued after the election and during the pandemic times with the Black Lives Matter riots, right? Just a small little issue like that could cause upheavals in the world. And we saw that in Minnesota and cities across America. Think about this multiplied times a thousand, right? You're going to see so much lawlessness that people are going to. They're going to. They're not going to know what to do. There's going to be grocery stores that are going to be emptied the day after the Rapture. It's very likely that there's not going to be any bread or milk in the grocery stores, because being from Mississippi, if the snow comes, the day before the snow comes, there's no more bread or milk. So you've got to get there. But after the Rapture happens, there's going to be nothing. People are going to be going to be nothing but lawlessness. We know that lawlessness will abound. We know that people are going to be so consumed with their own selves and their own families, they are not going to care about anybody else. They are going to go empty these grocery stores and they are going to go get it for themselves. And then you are going to see a lot of killings going on. You are going to see a lot of violence going on, and just overall lawlessness, which is what we read about in Scripture.

A (9:01)

And it is your opinion that that lawless condition happens rather quickly after the Rapture?

C (9:07)

Oh, absolutely. I believe it's going to happen immediate. The Rapture. Once the rapture happens, people are not going to want. They're not going to know what to do. Their minds cannot comprehend what just happened, and they're going to immediately turn to their. Their natural instincts, and their natural instincts are lawless.

D (9:25)

You know, you give a. Make a good point, Joe, about what we saw with the pandemic with COVID and how that just brought a lot of chaos and people rushing to the grocery stores and there was panic. You know, people, you know, you couldn't find toilet paper anywhere unless you were lucky, because people were panicking just over that. And I remember being in the grocery store during the pandemic and I saw a man, no doubt, no lie, wearing scuba gear, buying his groceries because of fear. That was implemented through that. Imagine after the Rapture, the level of fear that people are going to be experiencing, and what are people going to do out of fear? Fear drives people to do things that they would never ordinarily do. And that time when the rapture happens just like in a foreshadow of what we saw with the pandemic. People are going to go do crazy things, killing and stealing and doing things that they would never ordinarily do.

B (10:30)

Yeah, I think we what there's two things that come up and Joe mentioned it is that, well, first there's no doubt that people again, they're going to have a reaction, but then also they're going to be looking for an explanation from leaders. Maybe it might be. I do know that for those that I know in all my life, as we all do, I know a lot of unbelievers as we do, they know where I stand, they know what I do, they know what I talk about. There's no doubt my phone's going to be ringing because I've talked to them about the rapture. And so when that happens, they're going to call me to see if I'm still here. There's no doubt that my phone's going to ring. And so they're going to be looking for that. Well, then the my phone is not going to be answered, at least by me. So they're going to be then looking to the government. But I think the other thing too is let's, let's put it down into perspective because we're Americans, so we're thinking from an American perspective for a moment. Think about maybe in Europe or maybe in Saudi Arabia. There's not going to probably be a lot of people in Saudi Arabia raptured. So they're going to be like what happened in the other parts of the world necessarily, or in China you're going to have, you know, you might have hundreds of millions, but it's so big that at least in the government there would probably be very few if any government officials being raptured. The same thing again in the government officials of all the Muslim countries, et cetera. So they're going to be like for them there's going to be no change. So that creates an interesting situation. But you do are going to have primarily this again an idea of an explanation. But I want to go back for a minute because you mentioned lawlessness, I think in terms of we saw this with COVID where as they're looking out, they looked whether it was a lack of deterrence or the police run around, so they're going in or maybe San Francisco saying, well, if it's under $1,500 a theft, we're not going to prosecute. Well, everybody's like greed, so I can go steal a Thousand dollars out of target and I'm not going to be prosecuted. So there's no deterrence there. Well, when people, when the, when the wicked, okay, now granted, at the Rapture, all believers now there might be unbelievers that are actually might be have more better morality than believers. So we all know we're saved by the blood of Christ, but all are left are unbelievers. And there is a lot. So the wickedness is there when they start realizing, hey, there's houses that are empty and they're going to go out and then if they go to somebody's house, a Christian house, they're going to probably find food, maybe some money, probably find some guns and they're thinking they're going to come in, into that house and they're going to set up their own barricades now and they're going to have the weaponry to protect their new domain. So you imagine the people in the cities deciding lawless. I'm going to go out and find something crazy.

A (13:25)

I'd like to have you and Joe talk about the Holy Spirit. And Brad, you can get in on this too. The Holy Spirit indwells the body of Christ. The church church is gone. The Holy Spirit presumably has departed. What effect will that have in your opinion?

C (13:49)

Yes, so I certainly believe that the Holy Spirit is going to take a step back during this time period. Right. So the restrainer being removed in my opinion is the Holy Spirit indwelt church. Once the church is removed, the Holy Spirit takes a step back and when the Holy Spirit takes a step back, that's when you see lawlessness just completely go run amok. You see the spirit of, of deception. You see the spirit of evil just increasing and increasing over time. Now the Holy Spirit's not going to be gone completely. I tend to lean more in the way of the Holy Spirit will revert back to the way that he acted or ministered ministered during the Old Testament time period. The Holy Spirit is going to come upon the people whenever the Holy Spirit decides to come upon people for a reason, which is the way that the Holy Spirit worked during the Old Testament.

A (14:46)

Brett?

D (14:46)

Well, you know, there's always been a lot of debate about who the restrainer is, but I, and we can get into that or if you want to, but I really believe that as we said, the, the Spirit filled church is a restraining force against evil. We are engaged in spiritual warfare. We are pushing back against demonic forces. We're praying for our family members, we're praying for our communities. And that restraining Force is going to unleash or give liberty to demonic forces like this world has never seen before. And I think that restraining force is such a powerful caveat between the days we're living in now and the security we're living in now spiritually is and the days after the Rapture when demonic forces have so much more liberty to push back and to lead people into nefarious acts.

B (15:43)

You know, I think it would be good too for us to dwell for a moment, which I know there isn't a, there isn't a biblical verse that will say when the Antichrist arrives on the scene. We know Daniel 9, 27 second, Thessalonians 2, both describe him being. Revelation 6:1 describe him being there after the Rapture and at the start of the judgment, okay? And that judgment lasts, you know, at least seven years. So the Bible doesn't tell us what the explanation is going to be from the powers that be of what happened. Now granted, there's going to be the few, as we mentioned, that left behind those that are maybe familiar with biblical theology that are going to say it was the Rapture, but the world isn't good. The world doesn't know about the Rapture. I mean, most of the church doesn't know about the Rapture. Let's be honest. I believe that. I believe that if you're a true believer, whether you believe in the Rapture or not, you're going to go up, okay? And God bless you. So we're not, there's no partial rapturous here. But the question is what are some possibilities? Because now these people are going to be turning towards again the government. There's going to be an explanation. And some of some people talk about, you know, maybe aliens took humanity. New Age certainly teaches that, that we got the, there's this group of hinderers that got to be removed there. How do you explain the disappearance? And that all goes back to as well, whether it's a instantaneous disappearance or whether the world sees the church go up into the clouds, I lean in that direction that it's going to be a witnessed event. But so that's going to. But nevertheless, you have a whole group of people gone. Now there's got to be an explanation. I mean, Joe, what. Let's, let's, let's, let's think out loud here because nobody knows. You can't pull a verse out and say this is how they're going.

C (17:31)

Well, you know, this is always the fun topic around prophecy circles, right? We have videos about this that can go on for hours. You know, of course, the main theory that I see out there, especially recently, is the ufo, uap, alien abduction theory, especially with the new documentary that just came out, Age of Disclosure. You know, there's government officials actually talking about potential alien life.

A (17:57)

And that would be an explanation for some people.

C (17:59)

It would be an explanation for some people. And some people are going to believe that explanation because we've been led to believe now recently that alien, alien life does exist. Now if you were to rewind 20, 25 years ago, you would be wearing a tinfoil hat if you said that aliens existed right now. Of course, we around this table don't believe in aliens or little green men from outer space. We would tend to call those fallen angels or that's kind of where we would lean to. Now, another explanation that's out there, and a lot of this also falls in line with the new age teaching, like what you were talking to. When you look at Alice Bailey and Barbara Marx Hubbard, some of those teachings that they taught, now, they were visited by what I would consider demons, demonic champions. We have, of course, Joseph Smith, he was out there. He was visited by demon Moroni. That's how he got the Book of Mormon. But of course, these ladies were also visited by demons. And these demons appear to be pre tribulation rapture believers, in my opinion, because they certainly gave them the disclosure, so to speak, of what's going to happen and how people could disappear just like that. And another thing that I've read out there recently too, and this also is a new age belief that we all vibrate at a particular frequency. And if we're not in frequency, if we're not in the same frequency as which the earth vibrates, whenever one of these solar flares hits the sun hit from the sun hits the earth and causes the earth vibration to stop vibrating at that particular frequency, it's going to cause people to evaporate just like that.

A (19:42)

In other words, there will be secular explanations going around.

C (19:45)

Absolutely.

A (19:46)

All kinds of lies and rumors and so forth and so on. And the thing that I'd like to get across to those who are watching this discussion is the love of the Lord that we experience as Christians today and the urgency that we feel as we see the world changing. Brad, do you sense that in your congregation?

D (20:11)

Absolutely. I'm blessed to have such a congregation that's so friendly and open and very engaging. But when I think about Gary, when we talk about the church and what happened, you know, and people are always looking for truth. The Bible says that the Church is the pillar and the buttress of truth. And so when you have this mass exodus of believers, what's going to happen? Well, you know, social media is going to light up, right? And you know what happens when social media light up? Everybody's an expert all of a sudden. Everybody knows exactly what happened. I tell you what, I know this, I know that, and it's going to be anything but the truth. And so there's going to be all kinds of conspiracy theories, there's going to be all kinds of questions, but really the truth is got to go back to scripture. And it's going to be those who grab ahold of a Bible, who remember, you know, my Aunt Ethel was always talking about this and finally it happened. And they're going to go back to the Bible and back to where the truth exists and those are going to be the ones that are going to find the answer. And hopefully at that point go back to places like prophecy Watchers or other places that have spoken about the truth so much to find out what to do next.

C (21:30)

You mind if I ask you a question, Brad? So you're a pastor at a church in Maryland, right? So what is your congregation's reception to the way that you preach and teach? You preach, obviously from a pre tribulation, premillennial, dispensational point of view, we don't see that around. I'm not a pastor at a church. I attend a church that of course does the same. But very few churches do that these days. And it's really robbing a generation of people of the blessed hope that we have in our Savior. How do your people receive this?

D (22:02)

Well, I preach the full counsel of God. It's not up to me to decide what is right and what is wrong in the counsel of God because God has established that. And so I come to the pulpit every Sunday ready to say, God, this is your word and I am a steward of it. And for me to share it clearly and without apology. And so my congregation expects that people actually come into my church and they say, oh, thank goodness, a church that actually preaches the Bible. People are looking for answers. People want answers. They want the truth. And if you're open to that, if your heart is open to the Holy Spirit and the working of the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit leading you, then peace comes to people with that. As I teach and I teach very regularly on the rapture, I teach very regularly on current events and what's happening and peace. If you're a believer and you're seeing what's around you then? As Jesus said in Luke 21, lift up your heads, redemption's drawing nigh. And so we have reason to celebrate Mondo.

A (23:11)

We have scientific breakthroughs, AI, we have things seen in the sky all the time. And the government's gotten in on the act now and they're telling us that, yes, we know where they come from, we've talked to them, and one of these days we're going to tell you who they really are. And so we live in a kind of a spooky world of half truth and people out there trying to get someone to listen to them and come to their side. That's the world we live in right now. There's nothing certain except in the body of Christ. That's the only certainty there is on earth. And when it's gone, what's that going to look like?

B (23:54)

Yeah, that's the important thing is all that we're seeing right now, especially with, again, really, family, friends, you name it, neighbors, is where do people now, they get their truth from social media, which is a disaster. They get it from the legacy media, that's even more of a disaster. Very few people are looking for or finding true, accurate, eternal spiritual truths that's found in the scripture. So the world is ripe for deception. And that is one of the first things that Jesus says when the disciples were asking him about his second coming. The first thing he says back to 24 4, make sure no one deceives you, because there's going to be a lot. It's not going to be a vacuum either. So you're going to have he talks about false messiahs, which we know Antichrist for sure, other false teachers, other claims from around the world. So there's not going to be a vacuum of influencers. I guess I'll use the Jesus using that word. So at that moment, when the pillar in the ground of truth is removed, will people, will the world run to the Bible for answers? I don't think so at all. Maybe some of the relatives or the family members or whatever the unbelievers that were in the churches for the most part, you mentioned prophecy watchers or all the other ministries that God has raised up. Will we even be available? I mean, that's the other thing is you think, oh, make sure to watch all the videos we put up on YouTube. So if you're here and you didn't make it, that could be gone. So then all of the social media aspect as it relates to truth and what has happened could immediately be gotten rid of. And let's be honest, as we saw during COVID that could be, a lot of the ministries can be, could be removed prior to the Rapture in building up to that. So we're not even guaranteed a social media platform up until the day of the Rapture either. So you never know how things are going to shift just prior to that event where that could be squashed in advance. So that's the thing Gary, is when, when you see the, the person there at this moment, again, confusion, panic, fear, deception is being unleashed. And even in 1 Thessalonians 5 when it says, when Paul says, when they're saying peace and safety assurance, confidence, you know, again, things are relatively great. Sudden destruction. Now sudden destruction doesn't mean it's coming in one day. The idea of sudden destruction is the last seven years of human history is going to be a time of absolute chaos and destruction. And so it is sudden when you compare it to all of human history. So it's amazing that aspect of what people are going to think.

A (26:40)

I'd like to put a question to Joe for just a second and comment on this. Joe, have you noticed the number of books on the pre Trib Rapture that are being published these days now? What's behind that?

C (26:54)

Yeah, I mean I definitely see a lot. There's definitely a lot more pre Trib Rapture books out there than there have been in the past. I would like to think that the events that have happened since 2020 have led people to study more which would lead them to ministries such as prophecy watchers and really diving into their studies and understanding exactly what's going on in the world.

A (27:17)

So this is what we should be doing.

C (27:19)

This is what we should be doing because the nearness of the hours at hand.

A (27:24)

And what's your take on that?

D (27:26)

Well, Joe made a really good point about people turning the government and how, and I think we're being conditioned today for that to, to lean on the government, to rely on the government. And as you were talking Mondo about, there's going to be a control of information, right? Because that's what the government does. Whenever the government wants to perpetuates something else, it allows the conspiracy theories to run wild.

A (27:51)

Artificial intelligence.

D (27:52)

Artificial intelligence is absolutely going to be a part of making sure that things are controlled and the information is controlled. And this is already happening today. And so even with the coming of deepfakes and videos and stuff and stuff like that, there is going to be a massive amount of intentional misinformation in order to keep the truth suppressed. And so these videos like we're doing today, AI could easily mask, and we see this all the time in social media today. They throttle back things that they don't want to get out, or things that they want shadow, ban it, and so on and so forth. So imagine what artificial intelligence can do as it is controlling all of the media. And this is going to be the great stage setting for the Antichrist.

A (28:42)

Deception.

D (28:43)

Deception is the word.

C (28:45)

And just to your point about those areas like Saudi Arabia and China, where it's not really going to be a lot of people right now, when you go on your phones and you watch videos, there are some times where you look at it and you say, well, that's not real. There's no way that that's really happening right here because of the deep fakes. There's going to be people that are going to have recorded the Rapture happening as it happened, and there's going to be people that still don't believe it because they've been conditioned to believe in all of these deepfakes and everything's fake.

D (29:13)

Well, they got videos out of like a cat at the ring doorbell and it gets swept away by a tornado and everybody's supposed to feel bad for the cat. And imagine, you know, that you look at that and after the 13th time of seeing the cat swept away off the front porch, you think, oh, this is all AI generated. So person after person being swept away by the calling of the trumpet. People are going to say, oh, this isn't even real.

B (29:38)

And I think all of us will look back at 2025 as the year where AI really became ubiquitous. You know, whether it's Grok or ChatGPT or Gemini, it's all incorporated very overtly now in search engines. And it's. People have the apps on their phones and as you mentioned, you know, only the. Maybe the more advanced that were in, maybe it or maybe video editors or others had the ability to use AI even a couple years ago. Now everybody on your phone, boom. And they upload it. And so you do see these. So we've entered. And what I'm saying is we've entered the age where this is the year of AI. That and it's only going to get more intense. But what's real? So we've finally entered this place where truth itself, as at least as it relates to something video oriented, cannot be trusted at all. Whether it's something written or. I recorded this. I mean, you could go out there and record a real alien mothership and it's real Baby, but nobody's going to believe you because you're going to say, well you made it with AI. Even if there's. So we've entered in this state where there's deniability of everything now and including documenting the rapture or whatever. So this is where at this moment there's a lot of things we're talking about what that person is feeling one minute after the rapture or experiencing. But we, when we don't have time for it, but the rest of the seven years is, is going to be unleashed which is massive chaos, death, destruction. Half the world is dead. I mean, you name it. Famine, pestilence, war, all these things which are just going to be wave after wave after wave. Amos, chapter five. God says, you know that woe unto those that seek the day of the Lord. You're going to escape from the bear or whatever, you're going to walk in your house and be like, oh, I just escaped and you're going to get bit by a snake. Like you can't escape the destruction. And so this is what that person, we'll say it this way, we could segue and say, what do they have to look forward to?

D (31:41)

And this isn't fear mongering, this is true, this is warning. This is. And fear mongering would not be saying anything but giving the truth and saying, now is the time that today is the acceptable day of your salvation. Because when we submit unto the Lord and allow the Holy Spirit to dwell within us and follow after the Lord Jesus Christ, all of what the Bible describes and the fear and the deceptions and all that is removed from us as we are taken into the heavens.

B (32:20)

Yeah, absolutely.

D (32:21)

So glorious day that will be.

C (32:24)

Yeah, I mean, absolutely. I mean the deception that they're going to see and the intense destruction that they're going to witness is going to be unimaginable. We can't imagine what it's going to be right now. But we know that the, the vision, the imagery that they see, we would hope that they would see what they see and understand that the truth that we have been, that's in scripture, that hopefully that their family left behind, hopefully they go into one of those houses that has a rapture kit, hopefully they open that rapture kit up, there's a Bible there, and it leads them to Christ. But the reality is we know that there's going to be multitudes that are going to die, but we also know that there's going to be multitudes that get saved during this time frame. So we can hope that the work that we're doing right now is preparing the way to hopefully save some tribulation saints during that time. Because the, the condition that the world's going to be in during that time is unimaginable. And I certainly don't want to be there, and I don't want any of my loved ones to be there.

B (33:21)

Well, you know, when you walk into my house, like, can you walk into the front door? Immediately to the left is this little rapture section. It's a basket. It's got pamphlets, it's got books. It's. It's, you know, what to do if you miss the rapture. I mean, it's like, you know, I don't have a lot of food, but necessarily. But I do have toilet paper. Okay, but so they're going to find a whole bunch of toilet paper and they're going to find this little rapture section. So the. You hope and pray that, okay, Lord, I'm leaving this here, that when this house gets occupied by who knows who there, the witness is still going to be there. But, you know. Gary, any final words for us?

A (33:59)

Well, I have a little computer chip that will plug into a computer and tell you all about what has just happened after the rapture. And it's out in plain sight for someone to find it. And I hope that when we're gone, they do find it. You know, we have run out of time. My last comment, I guess, would be, give your life to the Lord Jesus Christ. He loves you. He's waiting for you with open arms, and he's got a book for you. It's called the Bible, and it's the most exciting book in the world. Gentlemen, this didn't run nearly long enough. We. We need more time. But once again, we'll get back together, I'm sure. I'm Gary Stearman. Hey, you keep watching. We are.