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Welcome to the program. Joe Hawkins here. Now, throughout history, mankind has searched for one thing above almost everything else, and that's the ability to defeat death. Ancient kings have searched for the fountain of youth. Alchemists have searched for the elixir of life. And today billionaires are funding longevity startups. Governments are investing billions into age related reversal research. Scientists are manipulating genes, and biohackers are experimenting on themselves in hopes to extend their life. Now, is this just scientific curiosity or is humanity pursuing the same promise that Satan offered in the Garden of Eden? And today we're going to examine these topics and we're going to examine why mankind is obsessed with immortality and what the Bible has to say about death and, and whether today's longevity revolution is simply another chapter in Satan's deception on humanity. And to do that, I have my good friend J.B. hickson of NBW Ministries. How's everything going, JB?
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Hey, it's going great. You know, I figure you picked the oldest guy you could find to talk about this topic because maybe I would have the most to add to the discussion since I'm closest to the finish line. But no, it's great, great, great to see you always enjoy our discussions.
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Oh, I love it. And actually I picked this topic and I picked you because of your. More. Your most recent book, Fade to Black, you dive in to a lot of the topics that we're going to see in a lot of the headlines that we see today. And speaking of Fade to Black, I mean, how's that been going?
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Oh, fantastic. And thanks for your endorsement, by the way. You wrote an endorsement on the back of the book and yeah, God's really using it. And you're right, Fade to Black Rise of Global Tyranny touches on a lot of these topics from the Luciferian agenda to take over the world. And remember, you know, Satan's agenda from the very beginning was to be God and, and to have everybody worship him. And so when he approached Adam and Eve in the garden, and I know we're going to get to it, but he, he basically said, look, you can sin and get away with it. There is no death. You know, you'll live forever. And they've been trying to accomplish that, you know, forever for 6,000 years now. So the whole transhumanist agenda gets a lot of attention in the new book folks can go to fade to black book.com fadetoblackbook.com and, and kind of read about it. But it's a topic that I've been kind of interested in for some time. I touch on it in a couple of my other books and I've been kind of tracing it for years. I know a lot of Bible prophecy students have been but they really think they can create life immortal and only God can do that. Only God can provide the soul, which he did when he breathed into Adam the breath of life. And mankind is the is the highest pinnacle of creation, the crown jewel of God, made in the image of God and only mankind has an eternal soul.
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Yeah, absolutely recommend it to everybody. It's a wonderful read and you will definitely be blessed by the information in there. And we're going to be together a few times over the next four or five months. We're going to be together in and we talked about this before the program, the pronunciation, but we believe that it's Kamiya, Idaho on September 18th and 19th. Of course Mondo is going to be there with us. We're going to have Billy Crone as well at Pine Ridge Baptist Church, which is pastored by Brian Nielsen. And you can learn more by going to prbc id.org prophecy conference. Now don't worry, I'll be sure to put that in the description below so that you can easily just click on the link and and we'll be, you'll be blessed by that. So September 18th and 19th in Kamia, Idaho and also the biggie, the Christmas in Branson on December 10th through 13th. I'm looking forward to this very much. Of course Mondo and Ken Michael is going to be there. Of course, you know you're going to be there, jb. We're also going to have Billy Crone, Larry Allison, Lee Brainard, Ken Johnson, Terry James, Tom Hughes, Don Perkins and so many others. I absolutely, I'm looking forward to this one probably more than anything just because of the location Branson in the Christmas time. You can learn more by going to prophecy watchers.com and clicking on the banner right there on the homepage. I'm absolutely looking forward to that one, JB.
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Yeah, both of those events are also linked up@notbyworks.org or the NBW Ministries app. If you just go to the events page, you can kind of keep up with all of my travels, me and Wendy as we hit the road. In fact, as we're recording this, we're getting ready to hit the road for a conference in Ohio and then we of course got, you know, another one in Pennsylvania and then the ones you've mentioned. So but yeah, hopefully folks will come out to Kamia, Idaho. Love to see you if you do. And looking forward to being together.
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I'm absolutely looking forward to it. Well, like I mentioned today, we're going to talk about the quest for immortality. And, and to lay the groundwork for the discussion, let's go all the way back to Genesis chapter two. So here in Genesis chapter two, verses 15 through 17, then the Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to tend and to keep. And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, of every tree of the garden, you may eat freely, but of the tree of the knowledge of Good and evil, you shall not eat. For in the day that you eat of it, you shall surely die. So what does God tell Adam right there? If you eat from this tree, you shall surely die. Now, if we fast forward over here to chapter three, what does Satan tell Eve? He says, then the serpent said to the woman, you will surely not die. You will not die is what Satan says in direct contradiction to what God just said. So, and we can fast forward all the way to the New Testament. In Romans, I said, therefore, just as one man, sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men because all have sinned. So a complete contradiction right here from what Satan said versus what God said. Satan says, you eat from the tree, you're not going to die. But what does God say? If you do eat from the tree, you will die. And because if you do eat from this tree, what happens? Sin enters the world. And because sin enters the world, death enters the world through sin. And then all will die because all have sinned. Now, of course, we're going to get to the good news later on in this broadcast. But before we do that, I do have some, some headlines that I want to share with with JB and I want to get JB's take on this because what we see happening right now, what we've, what we've seen happen in every generation, but particularly right now in this generation, because the headlines speak volumes. We're seeing humanity reaching for immortality. We're seeing this lie that Satan prescribed in Genesis 3 coming back right now. And people are longing for that. And I want to just share a few headlines and I'm going to get JB's take on these. First. We have aging could soon be reversible, says Harvard scientists at the World government summit in 2026. I'm just going to read just a quick, you know, summary of this. It says at the 2026 World Government Summit, Harvard geneticist David Sinclair argued that aging may eventually become treatable and even reversible through epigenetic reprogramming. He suggested aging should increasing increasingly be viewed as a biological process that could potentially be modified rather than simply accepted. Early human trials are now underway. That's what David Sinclair said at the World Government Summit. What do you say about that, jb?
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Yeah, I mean, that was back in February. Great source of all things Luciferian is to kind of keep your eye on the annual World Government Summit, because that's where a who's who of Luciferian agents kind of pitch their wares and talk about what their plans and goals are. But that's been, you know, Satan's quest all along. You know, he. He's conquered, let's face it, he's conquered a lot of frontiers within this earthly realm, all by God's design and according to God's plan of the ages. And it's going to get worse before it gets better. That's why we title the book Fade to Black. You know, it is getting darker and darker, but it's always darkest right before dawn. And so, you know, he's going to conquer a lot of frontiers, but the one frontier he'll never be able to conquer is this notion of immortality and creating life, you know, ex nihilo, out of nothing. And so, yeah, these scientists, you know, many of them may not be aware that they're part of a broader, a satanic agenda. They're just doing their job, kind of like climate scientists or evolutionists or anyone else. But it is ultimately a satanically driven agenda. And the only way, by the way, to defeat death is through a relationship with Jesus Christ. Now, you mentioned we're going to close with that at the end. But let's be honest. When Satan said to Adam and Eve, you won't die, and when God said, look, you will die if you disobey me, what did that mean? They had not experienced physical death yet. They had no context for that. Death in scripture always just means separation. Every time you see the word death, it's speaking of some kind of separation. Physical death is separation of the soul from the body. If you're a believer, the soul goes immediately to be in the presence of the Lord. If you're not a believer, it goes immediately to be in torment. But the kind of separation that Adam and Eve were, were warned of is separation from God. Spiritually, they were in perfect union with God, Fellowshipping with God, walking and talking with God in this utopian garden. Fellowshipping with the animals, naming the animals, tending and keeping the garden. Like the verse you read Said, but the minute they chose to rebel against God, they were separated. And of course, we know the rest of the story. God reached down from heaven and made it possible to restore that relationship. But spiritual death and physical death go hand in hand.
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But.
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And you know that what they're trying to do here with this technology is to somehow supersede God's sovereign control and the design that God made mankind in and say they can reverse that. It's not going to happen. It's just, it's like putting a band aid on a crack in a, in a, in the Hoover Dam. It may look good for a minute, it may work for a little bit, but it will never accomplish the ultimate goal.
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And just like you said, reversing. And here's another, another headline. The first ever reverse aging drug was just injected into a human. And that comes from June 9th of 2026. Researchers have begun the first human trial of a cellular reprogramming therapy intended to rejuvenate aging cells. The initial trial targets an eye disease, but supporters hope that the underlying technology could eventually be expanded to other organs if it proves safe and effective. Now, J.B. you know, when we see things like this, you know, reversing, you know, the effects of aging, you know, as you get older, things, they tend to not work like they used to know. Your eyesight starts to go. When you start rolling out of bed. It can be a little bit harder on, on some days, most days probably. So the promise of, you know, potentially being able to reverse aging for, to have the effects of feeling younger and being younger, you know, that could be a selling point to a lot of people. Am I right?
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Oh, 400%. Yeah. I mean, they love this kind of stuff, right? But, you know, injecting a bunch of people with experimental, you know, drugs, what could possibly go wrong with that? Right? I mean, we're slow learners. We didn't, we didn't learn anything from the millions of people who died from the control of virus scamdemic. But yeah, the, the, the, the fact is we are in our physical bodies, we are deteriorating. That's why Paul talks about in 1 Corinthians 15, that at the Rapture, this mortal must put on immortality. This corruptible will put on incorruption. So we're not getting better and better in our physical being, we're getting worse and worse. But a new body awaits us after the Rapture, and we will change. And all the very atoms of our body that have corrupted or corroded over thousands of years. If someone died A thousand years years ago will be reconstituted, and this mortal will put on immortality. You know, Joe, I think if you really want to maybe slow down some of the negative effects of aging, stop eating so many jelly beans. That's what I try to do, you
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know, I'm telling you. I mean, you know, it's so many things that we could do. I mean, it's. You know, but, you know, a Big Mac and a Big Fry and a big Coke, it's. It's so good, right? I mean, I saw a meme today, and it was. It was a pretty funny meme. It was, you know, it was a picture of Jesus. You know, what they had as Jesus with this just horrified face. And it said, you know, Jesus's face whenever you ask him to bless a meal that has, you know, a large Coke, Dr. Pepper, you know, Big Mac, four fries, and things like that, so that it could nourish your body. Right? It's. I thought that was kind of funny. We've all done that. We've all prayed over a McDonald's meal, you know, fortune nearest our bodies, thinking, you know, it's absolutely got to be a miracle for this to near our bodies, right?
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Yeah, for sure. Yeah. You know, ever since you alerted our audience that I like jelly beans, we've been getting a lot of jelly bean gifts. And when my family plays games, which we try to do a lot, a lot of our adult kids live near here. And so usually once a week when we're home, if not more, we'll gather together and play catan or play Wingspan or something. And I always like to have a little bowl of those jelly beans right by my spot. And then I. That's just, you know, you munch while you're playing games, boy. Wendy gets onto me because she knows it is not healthy. And. But, you know, we all have our indulgences, and, you know, someday in heaven, I won't have to be tempted by jelly beans anymore.
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Amen to that. Amen to that. Let's move on to the next headline that we have here. And I found this one to be very interesting just because of the articles imagery that they have here. And people can see this. I mean, what does that look like to you? I mean, it looks absolutely right out of the Bible, right? It looks like they're drawing right from this tree. It's. It blows my mind that they tell you exactly what they're shooting for without actually saying it out loud. This one says a study finds existing drugs could be repurposed for longevity by tapping network of aging related genes, it says here, researchers have identified networks of aging related genes that may already be approved medications to be repurposed to influence biological aging. Rather than rediscovering entirely new drugs, scientists are exploring whether existing medicines can target multiple aging pathways simultaneously. Just like what you were saying earlier. What could possibly go wrong when you start mixing drugs too, right? Not only just taking a control of virus shot, right, but you're talking about mixing drugs that wasn't even intended for the desired effect that they're going for now. What could possibly go wrong?
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Yeah, I mean, and I love that graphic. I mean it's like an in your face to God, as if somehow chemicals and pharmaceuticals will help the soil and help the tree grow better, when in reality we're corrupting God's creation at every turn. And I'm not a big sort of, you know, new agey recycle kind of a guy, but look, we are polluting this world. We are spraying stuff in the skies and, and, and that's all counterproductive. God made this earth the way he wanted it, and if we just leave it alone, it would work. Work pretty well. But yeah, there's no way that taking a pill is ever going to somehow bring about eternal life. It's just not going to happen.
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Amen. We're going to move on to the next one here and it's going to get a little weird know from this point on because I mean, and how could it not get weird? I mean we're talking about immortality, right? And, and, and, and of course humanity is going to make things a little weird. This one here is, and this one just comes as of July 20th. And, and I just want everybody to know that all of the headlines that we're going over today, they're all less than 12 months old. The ones that we've talked about just recently have all been within the last six months. So this is a very upto, date, you know, topic that we're talking about here. It's not something that's, you know, years out. This is something that's happening right now. But here we have blood swapping oxygen tanks and wi fi blockers inside the immortality Olympics where biohackers race to live forever. And here we say it says an increasing number of wealthy biohackers are experimenting with extreme longevity practices. From blood plasma exchanges and hyperbaric oxygen therapy to elaborate supplements regimens and lifestyle interventions, all with the goal of dramatically slowing or reversing aging. This movement reflects an emerging culture that treats longevity as an engineering problem that can be solved. Wow.
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Yeah, I mean, it's the biodigital convergence that they've been talking about. You've all know Harari has talked about it. A lot of people from the World Economic Forum have done symposiums on it. It's a real thing. I mean, this blending of both technology, chemicals, all of the various facets to come together to try to do what Satan could not do and never will be able to do, which is create. God's the creator, Satan's the destroyer. That's why he's called Apollyon or whoever that demon is in the book of Revelation. So God's the creator, Satan's the destroyer. But what this article tells me is that the whole transhumanist agenda is not just a big pharma, big tech, you know, movement. It's reached down to the grassroots level where wealthy hackers are actually, you know, investigating and trying to do things. Why? Because the Bible tells us in Proverbs that to the hungry soul every bitter thing is sweet. And people are longing for restoration, longing for some type of, you know, restored relationship. They know there's more to life. They are under conviction because the Holy Spirit's convicting the world of sin, righteousness and judgment. And so. But they're looking for answers in all the wrong places. And none of these things are going to solve the problem. They're all dead end streets. And so no matter how many experiments you run, no matter how much blood you swap, no matter how much, you know, how much you insulate yourself from the WI fi, which by the way, is not a bad idea. Those are pretty unhealthy. But no matter what you do, it's not going to solve your greatest problem, which is you need a relationship with God through his Son and our Savior, Jesus Christ.
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Amen. And that seems to be the thing that's lacking with every single one of these articles. These are not coming from Christian sources. These are all coming from secular sources. And, and that, that's the one thing that's missing is there seems to be no relationship at all with Jesus from any of these people. And this is what they're trying to do. They're trying to find immortality apart from Jesus, which is impossible.
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Yeah, for sure. Yeah. I mean, and the fact is that could be part of the great end times deception. And I, you know, maybe the mark of the beast is in of itself a promise of allegiance. If you take this mark and pledge your allegiance to me, Satan says through the Antichrist, which everybody knows, that at that point, the Antichrist is indwelt by the time you get to Revelation 13 by Satan himself. So it's really Satan's moment of Satanic glory when he finally rules the world economically, politically and religiously and gets everybody to worship him. Of course, it's worshiping him under duress and by force. It's not worshiping him of your free will, which is the way God's creation and relationship with mankind works. But, yeah, I think it is part of the deception that Satan wants to obscure the truth of God's word, the infallible, inerrant, quick and powerful truth of God's word, and instead propose lies. And there's so many lies out there that can appeal to different people in different ways. Not everybody's going to want to try some of these techniques that you see on the screen, but everybody has that underlying desire for something more out of life. There's something above the sun, right? Everybody's Talking about the UFOs and all the stuff, the UAPs, aerial phenomena, anomalous phenomena. You know, all of the. Everybody's looking up saying there's something more out there, there's an otherworldliness to it. But unfortunately, they're not looking high enough up. You've got to go beyond the second heaven to the third heaven and see a God who loves you, who gave his sons for you and provided redemption, satisfied his own wrath through the blood of his son. And that's the blood that really matters. By the way, if you want to talk about blood swapping, you need a blood transfusion, spiritually speaking, by the blood of Christ that cleanses us from all unrighteousness.
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Amen to that. And speaking of earlier, we talked about the World Government Summit, you know, and immortality and, and reversing age. It's not just for wealthy biohackers or just for people that are just curious about this because they want to live forever, but governments are absolutely getting involved in this. We're going to go back to September of 2025. There was a hot mic moment, and this is a. An article or a headline directly from cnn. A hot mic moment between Xi and Putin where they were overheard talking about immortality and organ transplants, it says. During the China's September 3, 2025 Victory Day military parade in Beijing, a live television microphone unexpectedly captured a private conversation between President Xi Jinping and President and Russian President Vladimir Putin about the future of biotechnology and human longevity. Xi remarked that people once considered 70 years old to be elderly, but now speculate humans could one day live to 150 years. And Putin responded by discussing that advances in organ transplantation and biotechnology suggesting that continually replacing failing organs could allow people to remain younger for longer and perhaps even achieve immortality. And I wanted to share that one because of this headline right here that just came out July 18th of 2026, Putin's 20 billion euro quest to live forever. From dear blood baths and mutant strawberries to Frankenstein later experiments. Now that sounds pretty intense. And, and I did a little bit of research on this. There is absolutely a national push in Russia where, where they are doing experiments and they are having a, they have a national laboratory where they are studying these things. And it says here, reports claim that Vladimir Putin has directed billions toward longevity research through the Russian government backed initiatives exploring controversial therapies such as deer blood treatments, genetically modified crops, organ bioprinting and regenerative medicine. And according to the reporting, these efforts are part of a broader push to dramatically extend human life and possibly replace failing organs. So this report backs up exactly what Putin and Xi were talking about there in September. And aside from the weird stuff there, the deer blood baths and the genetically modified or mutant strawberries, the fact of the matter is this is something that the Russian government is absolutely researching. And it's a desire that President Putin has, President Putin wants to live forever. And there's a desire, and it's not just him, it's others that want to live forever. So regardless of the, the techniques that they may be pushing, the desire to live forever is there.
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Yeah, I mean, I've talked about this extensively in some of my writings, this sort of strange juxtaposition between their love of death and Satan's love of death. Right. Satan absolutely is a murderer from the beginning, Jesus said, and yet their own personal quest for immortality. Right? So they, they, they, they want what, what's good for them or what they think is good for them, but not for everybody else. So they have a depopulation agenda. They want to get rid of all the peons, all the little people. They, they only need just enough left around, you know, to, to sweep their floors, cook their meals and climb atop their satanic altars, to sacrifice to Satan. That's it. I mean, we've known this for years, that all kinds of documents going back to the club of Rome and some of those agencies have written books about it, how they want to reduce the world's population to, you know, 500 million. And, and, and, and why? Because they want this playground for themselves. And they, you know, they don't, they, they don't they don't think anybody but them deserves to live forever. So it is kind of an interesting observation, Joe, that some of the most, you know, leading global elites, the Luciferians, the top tier that I've talked about, always tend to live a long time, you know, 100 years or 101 years. Rockefeller, you know, people like that. So not all of them, of course, but it's almost like they seem to have remedies and cures that are not available to, you know, the general public. Right. But you know, talks, you know, in terms of that quote that you read from the article, living to be 150. Look, read the Bible. We know that in the kingdom someday when Christ comes back and is sitting on the throne, ruling with a rod of iron in perfect peace and justice, longevity of life is going to be restored. People who have a relationship with Christ will be able to live eight, 900 years. You know, the Bible tells a story that comes full circle from the pre fall Edenic state in the early days of creation, after the fall, before depravity had really started to take its toll, generation after generation. And we see people live to be 8, 900 years old by the time it comes full circle after the tribulation, after the Armageddon, when Christ comes back, the church comes back with him ruling and reigning on 12 Thrones or on the thrones next to the apostles. What's going to happen? Isaiah tells us, you know, if somebody were to die at age 100, that would be like an infant, you know, so we're going to see longevity of life, but only God's way, not through man made chemicals and crazy deer blood, you know.
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Amen to that. Now just. And I have just a few questions before we end it off. Do you think that death is actually one of the greatest evangelistical tools? And I know it's probably a weird way to put it, but do you think it's an evangelistic tool because it reminds us that our time is limited?
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I do. I talk about it all the time at funerals and any opportunity I get, I think people need to understand what, what God's word says. God's word says if you're born only once, you're going to die twice. There's a physical death that's appointed unto men once to die and after that the judgment. But there's also the second death that Revelation talks about when you know you're cast into the lake of fire. If you're only born once, physically, you're going to die twice. But the Bible also says if you're born twice, once of your mother's womb physically, but a second time born from above by faith in Christ alone. Then, then you only have one death that awaits you. That's the physical death. The second death has no power over you. And the physical death is just a rite of passage. It's just the golden key that unlocks the riches of eternity. It's in that instant you pass into the very presence of the Lord, your Savior, and all of the loved ones that know the Lord that are already in heaven. And so death is not ever something to be feared for a believer. But if you don't know Jesus and therefore you've only had one birth, the physical birth, you've got two deaths that await you. And you don't want to be in that camp. You want to be a child of God by faith alone, in Christ alone. So I absolutely, I know for me personally as a young six year old boy, when I trusted Christ for salvation, it was the absolute realization that if I were to die that night, it was a Sunday night service the preacher had talked about if you get hit by a bus on the way home from church. I still have a morbid fear of buses to this day, you know, but I went home that night thinking, yeah, man, if I died, I'm not ready to meet Jesus. I need to know Jesus, I need to be saved. And I asked my dad about it. He clarified the gospel in simple terms and I trusted Christ right then. And in that instant, Jesus says, when you place your faith in him, you pass from death to life and shall never come into judgment. Remember what Jesus told Martha. He said, whoever lives and believes in me shall never die. Do you believe this? So faith alone in Christ alone is the only hope, you know, I hope if there's anybody watching this, I know prophecy watchers gets a lot of traffic. Maybe someone stumbled upon this because of the topic, a very intriguing topic. But listen, you need to know Jesus, you need to have a relationship with him. And the only way you can do that is by trusting in Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who died and rose again for you personally and offers the gift of eternal life.
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Amen to that. And before we roll out, I do have one question to ask. And you kind of already answered it, to be honest with you. It was in reference to the technological immortality that, that could potentially be promised by Satan as, you know, a, you know, as a promise for the mark. Right. You know, so do you think is, I mean, do you think that. And I think you already answered it like I said, but, you know, could this promise of a technological immortality become one of Satan's greatest end times deceptions? You know, let's. Because, I mean, let's just think about it logically for a minute. I mean right now, I mean, if people were offered the opportunity to live forever, how many people would actually take it? And if this was given to them? I mean, because you look at movies, you know, a lot of the sci fi and Marvel movies and movies like that, that's one of the things that they're pushing for is transhumanism. Huge, huge push for transhumanism and movies. And I could certainly see this being a potential selling point, so to speak, for the mark. You know, take this mark, because what does it go back to? It goes back to the lie of Satan there in Genesis 3. You know, you're not going to die. And I've given, I'm giving you the tools. I'm giving you this mark that will help you live forever. Now of course we know that that's going to be a lie, a lie straight out of the pits of hell. But you know, that could potentially be, you know, a selling point for the mark. What do you say to that?
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Yeah, I think it absolutely is. And really it shows the convergence of the religious aspect to the beast system with the political and governmental and economic control system. Let's never forget from its inception, this cosmic battle that started in heaven when Satan had his coup attempt to try to take over God's world. You know, it is in fact a religious battle. Satan wants people to worship him and he got one third of the angels to, to follow along with him. And of course they got kicked out of heaven and now he set his sights on Earth. So all of this, you know, control and surveillance and you know, CBDCs and all of that stuff that are a part of the burgeoning beast system that I talk about in the new book are all for one ultimate end and that is worship. They said they want Satan wants people to worship him. So when you think about it, Job, this quest for immortality is by no means new and it's by no means limited to just the transhumanist official sort of attempts to achieve it. Every false religion also offers the same lie and misleading carrot that will ultimately lead them to hell. Whether it's the five pillars of the Islamic faith to reach paradise or nirvana in Eastern religions, or even the sacramentalism of the Roman Catholic Church, if you just take this cracker or you do this or you the seven sacraments, you'll get into heaven or at least purgatory, you know, they say, and then maybe you'll get to heaven. But all of it is a quest for living forever in some form of paradise, whether it's a religious system or a biological technique or a biodigital convergence. But the Bible is clear. Jesus said, I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
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Amen to that. And several times throughout this program today, you've shared the good news. And we started off by saying that we would end it with the good news. You've peppered it in throughout the program, and that's the only way. It's through Jesus. Do you have anything else that you would like to end with before we close it out today?
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Yeah, I would just say if you aren't certain that you'll spend eternity in heaven when you die, you can be sure you don't have to wait. Not, you know, cross your fingers, right?
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It's.
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It's not. You don't wait till you die to find out. You can know right now with certainty that you have eternal life. The Bible says that these things have I written unto you that you may know that you have eternal life for those who believe in the name of Jesus. So, you know, trust Christ today. It's not complicated. It's not, you know, you don't have to walk an aisle or sign a card or, you know, commit to some kind of a bilateral agreement. It's simple, childlike faith in the only one who took your sin upon him, took your penalty, paid your debt, and offers to you eternal life. If you have questions, you can reach out to us@notbyworks.org or prophecywatchers.com and, you know, I do encourage people to check out the new book because as with all of my books at the end in the epilogue, we actually very clearly address some solutions here, particularly the gospel. So fadetheblackbook.com fadetblackbook book.com Amen.
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Definitely. Check it out. Well, that's all the time we have today. And like I said, be sure to go to not by works.org and also JB. Follow all of his social media platforms. He's also on Substack. And don't forget to head over to prophecy watchers.com prophecy watchers.substack.com to stay all. To stay up to date on all that we're doing. And until next time, this is Joe Hawkins. Stay awake and keep watching.