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The rapid advancement of AI driven surveillance systems like facial recognition, behavioral prediction and real time data aggregation. How close are we to a fully integrated identity system where access to commerce, travel and communication is unified under a single digital profile?
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Well, let, let's step back for a moment and give why she would even ask that question. Because what we do know is in Revelation 13 you have, you have several things here. You have a political element of the beast, you have an economic element and you have a religious element where they're going to be worshiping the dragon and the beast. So this comes with the idea of that no one can buy or sell except without the mark. And so it makes great sense. I mean this has been part of the, the conversation for decades, probably even a century, to some degree of understanding that the easiest way to implement that sort of system where you have unlimited kind of surveillance and power and control is through a digital system getting away from money, which can be, you know, you can have a black market or you can even barter in some ways, which might always be there to some degree. But this idea of surveillance, AI driven surveillance. So that's the biblical reason why we think that's coming. And of course, since it's been talked about again for decades now, we see it coming. So to answer a question directly is it depends on the country you're in. Because many there's, there's over 50 countries right now that already have digital things in place, digital systems in place. It is not a worldwide system yet. And a lot of the countries like the United States are, are lagging. And that's probably because we generally have resistance here. Now even in America, if you go to some of the bluer states, they're going to be a little bit more eager on this. But we know if you go worldwide, Australia, I'm thinking about some of these countries. Nigeria. Nigeria, that's in Africa. Very advanced in their digital. Estonia and Europe. So Europe and, and the uk they've been talking about theirs. In fact, Starmer just came out not too long ago where the Prime Minister said that if you didn't have the digital id, you couldn't work. I mean that that's what we expect. Right. So in answering the question, how, how close are we? Well to a fully integrated. It, it depends on the country. Some countries are absolutely like almost there for fully full integrations. Others are, there's a lot of countries that are lagging and so who knows. But what you do see is most of the countries that are lagging are still, they're in motion.
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Yeah.
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So all the countries are moving in that direction. And I would say that for, for, for any of these countries, some of them like, some of them in, like Estonia, they've, they've had their digital Systems for like 20 years. So you think about that, that's pretty amazing. But to get to where there's going to be individualized countries and then it's going to be integrated worldwide. So that's the question. How close are we? Well, I tend to think that most of the countries that are lagging, they have had, they have pilot, pilot programs, and most of them have already said that they want to be 26, 27. They're trying to get it dialed in. So I, I tend to go back to like a 2030 in the sense of, not that there's anything magical about it, but just in looking out, these individual countries have to get it dialed in before, like, let's say the UN or there's some sort of agreement or need to integrate them. And as we know, remember that the mark of the beast itself is not implemented until the midpoint of the 70th week of Daniel. So even there, I think that's part of the process of the first half of the Tribulation period is that the Antichrist is on the scene, but he doesn't have unlimited power yet. He's consolidating his political base and he's going out to conquer. That's what Revelation 6 says. But in that first half, there's consolidation going there, political cult consolidation. Of course, you have the harlot there as well. So if that's the case, the question is we might not see all this fully integrated before the Rapture happens. That could be what takes three and a half years of the first half of the Tribulation. Yeah, before it is fully integrated worldwide in Revelation 13 in the middle.
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Exactly. Because that's when the, the System of Revelation 13 really kicks off. Is that the midway. That's what causes, you know, the Jews basically flee into the wilderness. Now, as far as it pertains to what we see going on in the world right now, technologically. Now, you mentioned 2030. I'm working on an article series right now that's going to touch on 2030. There are 50 plus initiatives worldwide that target the date of 2030. And it seems like every day I'm seeing new articles coming out that reference 2030. Just today I shared a article on the substack and on our Facebook that was about NASA wanting to target nuclear reactors on the moon. And the target date for that is 2030.
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Yeah.
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So 2030 is definitely a key date. But when we're looking at the technological aspect of what's going on. Just in spring of this year, spring of 2026, over 65 airports started integrating more advanced biometric identification programs within the airports.
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Tsa, I can tell you, I just. I was just out of the country last week, and when I came back, I said, well, do I need my passport? They said, no, we just need your face.
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Yes.
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And I walked up, they took a picture of my face, and that was it. I didn't have to show my path. It was amazing.
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They already know who you are before you even cross the gate because of the cameras there. You know, you mentioned the European Union. We're seeing. And I think just today or just recently, within the last week, they. They introduced their age verification app. We're starting to see a lot of states start to talk about age verification. They're doing it in the sense of this is for safety, because we want to prevent kids from getting onto websites that they shouldn't get onto. And, I mean, who wouldn't be on board for that? Who wouldn't want to be on board for a kid not being able to get onto a, you know, a naughty website, basically? Right. You don't want to get onto that. But we know that eventually that this is going to be used against us. We know that online anonymity is basically being taken away. Because if you have to do online age verification, what does that mean? Well, you're going to have to put your ID on there, and everybody that has any kind of sense of doing anything online, you've had to go through the process of verifying yourself by taking a picture of your driver's license and putting it on, you know, uploading it into the system. Absolutely. So eventually that's going to go to a completely digitized system where you don't have to worry about that anymore. You just need to take that screenshot of your. Your face on the computer or even the thumbprint. Because if you notice now, tons of computers, they come with a little thumbprint reader. Right. So you're already seeing that being implemented in the technology that we have in our own houses.
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Well, even, like, for certain countries or even flights. I could take my phone and I put it on my passport, and it reads the chip inside the passport. And so my phone, I was like, I never knew my phone had the ability. But yeah, it read it and boom, it brought up all my information just like that. Probably similar to what you have on a credit card with a chip in it, but it was able to do it. Boom, Done. Didn't. Didn't have to scan anything. It just. I just touched it there.
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Yeah, I'm with you, though. I think technologically, we're. We're right there. We're getting so close to what it is there. There are some areas of it. I mean, in each day we see new things being coming out that we know that's going to be used in this beast system. Earlier this week, we talked about the Ghost Murmur technology that was used to locate the. The pilot that was lost there in Iran.
Prophecy Watchers — "Why No One Can Predict the End Times Timeline"
Hosts: Gary Stearman and Mondo Gonzales
Air Date: May 14, 2026
In this episode, Gary Stearman and Mondo Gonzales examine the intersection of rapid technological advancement—especially AI-driven surveillance, biometrics, and digital identification systems—with biblical end-times prophecy. Drawing from Revelation 13 and Daniel, they discuss current trends, global initiatives, and the implications for Christians seeking to understand prophetic timelines. The discussion centers on the plausibility and timing of a world system that could fulfill biblical descriptions of the “mark of the beast,” particularly exploring why precise timelines ultimately remain speculative.
On the Realities of Modern ID:
"When I came back...they said, no, we just need your face. And I walked up, they took a picture of my face, and that was it. I didn't have to show my path. It was amazing."
— Mondo Gonzales [05:27-05:36]
On Loss of Privacy:
"We know that online anonymity is basically being taken away...Eventually that's going to go to a completely digitized system where you don't have to worry about [manual verification] anymore. You just need to take that screenshot of your face on the computer or even the thumbprint."
— Gary Stearman [06:10-06:45]
Biblical Timelines & Caution:
"We might not see all this fully integrated before the Rapture happens. That could be what takes three and a half years of the first half of the Tribulation."
— Mondo Gonzales [03:57]
On The Pace of Change:
"Technologically, we're right there. We're getting so close to what it is...each day we see new things coming out that we know that's going to be used in this beast system."
— Gary Stearman [07:31]
Stearman and Gonzales provide an insightful, down-to-earth look at how rapid technological changes may be setting the stage for fulfillment of end-times prophecies. Citing real-world examples and reinforcing their arguments with biblical references, they stress the importance of discernment and resist the urge to assign concrete prophetic timelines. They invite listeners to observe technological and geopolitical shifts through the lens of scripture, always mindful that God's prophetic calendar remains ultimately in His hands.