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Daryl Cooper
All humans break. The difference between humans and gods is that gods can break humans.
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Scott Horton
Negotiate now. End this war. You're watching Provoked with Daryl Cooper and Scott Horton debunking the propaganda lies of the past, present, and future. This is Provoked. All right, you guys, welcome to the show. It's provoked on our new night, Thursday night. We should have probably always been Thursday night. Sometimes we were Thursday night. Now we're Thursday night here live. And so we got Fridays off. Well, Friday nights anyway. How you doing, Daryl?
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Daryl Cooper
Doing all right? Well, what are those fancy things on your head?
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Scott Horton
Oh, I'm wearing cans because Christopher Williams insists that we turn our dang speakers down and wear headphones. I know yours are broken, but.
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Daryl Cooper
Yeah, man, I wish I had some.
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Scott Horton
But sure, what happened to those? But now that they're broken, you have to get some new ones. But the thing is that. That's okay. I think it'll help that we don't have you loud in the room.
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Daryl Cooper
Yeah, hold on. I got an echo with my audio of myself.
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Scott Horton
Oh, you're getting it right now?
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Daryl Cooper
Yeah, and everybody else is getting it, too, and I don't know how to fix it. Let me see here.
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Scott Horton
Oh, well, just turn your speakers down. You're definitely not loud.
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Daryl Cooper
They're pretty far down. Everybody stand by.
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Scott Horton
I don't think you're echoing through my system. Back to. You shouldn't be.
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Daryl Cooper
No, I don't see how if good
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Scott Horton
and quiet here and minused out of whatever return thing.
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Daryl Cooper
Cancellation.
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Scott Horton
Oh, you know what?
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Daryl Cooper
Hello?
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Scott Horton
Hello? That is something that I changed, though, that he told me to turn off. How about now? Did that fix?
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Daryl Cooper
How about now? No, we're good.
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Scott Horton
We're good. Yeah.
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Daryl Cooper
Good job, Scott.
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Scott Horton
That was it. I shouldn't have listened to Chris. Well, I should have listened to him on one thing but not the other thing.
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Daryl Cooper
All right, and see here we thought that it was going to be a dawn of a new day with me having the tech problem, but it was you after all.
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Scott Horton
No, man, it's always me. And listen, I don't give a damn. That's how the show's supposed to start, apparently now with some damn tech problem. Well, anyway, it should still help with the cross talk as far as the ducking each other signal and all that crap that happens with these things. It seems like they would get the full double duplex deal going on by now with all this newfangled Skype technology, but no. Anyway, look, the war's on, so we got to talk about that. But you know what? Let me go ahead and tell them Right up front here that this show is brought to you by Matt C. Le. And he gives this great tax advice. You find him at Agorist Tax Advice. And what it is, is, as it says here, a tax planning attorney for small businesses and high income professionals. The man is after your bank account. So work with Matt and he will help you hang on to every last penny that you possibly can. And it's through his generosity that this show is a show in part. And so we're happy to thank him for that and recommend y' all to him. So again, agristaxadvice.com the news is that the war is sort of kind of back on, but maybe not really. Darrell, what do you make of it?
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Daryl Cooper
I mean, it's hard to say, right? Like one of the fundamental problems with this war is that, well, or, or I guess like the, the sort of, the difficulty we're having maintaining a level with it, at least a level of intensity, is that Trump seems to want to get into this prolonged tit for tat. Like we can do this all day kind of thing. You know, our destroyers are usually just intercepting medicine going into Yemen and dumping it in the ocean. We got plenty of them sitting around. Like we can do blockades, we can do like precision strikes here and there. And you can. But the problem with it, it is that Iran, like their basic strategy, they're, I'm talking just purely on the military side of using drones and missiles. It just does not lend itself to a small scale tit for tat kind of thing. If they fire one drone or one missile, we will shoot it down. And to do anything at all, they really have to do like a saturation attack, which means a massive deck. So everything requires a massive retaliation, a relatively large retaliation. And you know, and so when we get into a situation where whatever happened, I'm still contacting people, trying to figure out exactly what happened with that Apache helicopter. Like something like that happens that, who knows, may have been inadvertent, may have been, you know, just, who knows? Like it could have been anything, just a one off thing. And normally, and we've done this in the past, like, you know, we've gotten off ramp for things like that. When something happens that neither side really wants to happen, we say, okay, you hit, we hit. But they just, it just doesn't work. Like the Apache thing happens, we hit them and Iran just launches everywhere. And now we're back in the war again and it's like, it's a hard one to get around for sure.
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Scott Horton
Yeah, man, well, and they have hit bases reportedly in Jordan, in Qatar, pardon me, in Kuwait and Bahrain. And I forget if it was Saudi or not, but. So, yeah, a massive attack and in a bunch of different places too. And of course, you know, it all started with their essentially intervening on behalf of Lebanon in a way that they never have before. I mean, Israel's breaking the ceasefire. It's supposedly America ceasefire, but we're somehow having a lot of trouble dragging Israel along on the ceasing of firing thing. And so Iran went ahead and hit Israel, which I, I believe that's a first over the decades that they've done anything like that. But so now apparently they're feeling that strength. They think they're in the position to go ahead and do that and force the ceasefire their own way. And then of course, you know, I don't know what would have happened without the Apache thing. You know, maybe it would have died down there, I guess. Trump at the time was supposedly telling the Israelis to cool it and then they got a few more shots off anyway, and then the Apache thing happened. As you said, it could have been anything. The Iranians are not claiming credit for it. And in fact, I'm sorry, I, I can't remember what it was, Darl, that said that, you know, maybe I think it was an Iranian official floated the possibility that it was an Iranian boat out there, you know, doing their job. And they do. Oh, no, no, no, it wasn't an Iranian that said it. It was, it was an American who said, I can't remember who it was, but floated the possibility that it was an Iranian out there. And they do have anti aircraft capability on their boat. So maybe if they thought they were being threatened by the Apache, they fired one off. And that was like command authority delegated that load to them, that they have the right to do that, but it doesn't mean that they were speaking for Central Command, that we're back at war now. You know what I mean? Then again, you make one of them fancy helicopters crash, you might upset the commander in chief over here, you know what I mean? It's a bad thing to happen. The two guys survived, thank goodness, you know, but as you said, we don't really know what happened. They say the two guys are alive. At least we, I think, know that. But, but then. So he bombed him for two days or two nights and then supposedly was going to bomb the holy hell out of him again, and then he changed his mind again, or at least he said that he did, which may mean, in fact the opposite that now he's going to go really hard. But he said that he's called off the third night of strikes because now they're making significant progress on the talks, which I don't know about that. I don't know. I don't know really what's going on with those talks or who even has a good line on that. Maybe Laura Rosen I should start following.
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Daryl Cooper
I mean, the Iranians, they deny it completely. They say that the, everything that's coming out of the administration about a deal being imminent is just made up. And, you know, who knows, that could be for domestic consumption. But on, you know, I don't know enough about the Iranian side sort of, you know, propaganda relationship to their own people to make a call on that. But from our side's perspective, I'll tell you this, and this is sad to say, sounds like I'm almost like joking or something. I'm not at all. I could totally, totally see Trump, somebody getting in his ear and being like, dude, the SpaceX IPO is tomorrow. Cut it, cut it off until Monday, stop it until Monday or something. Just because like, you know, we've, we've seen that kind of thing over and over and over again, you know, on Mondays and Fridays or leading into Mondays and Fridays. So you can't really, I mean, Trump, Trump just says things. You know, I, I watched the, the most recent, I think it's the most recent or second and most recent Frontline documentary that came out, or maybe it was a couple ago, but it was called the War Cabinet. It's about Trump and his Cabinet and sort of. Yeah, yeah, and it wasn't bad. It was, you know, Frontline obviously is always sort of like where you go to get the official like consensus story, you know, and that's valuable, that's useful sometimes to know sort of exactly what they're thinking, like reading Foreign affairs or something. And you know, the, the, the consensus, I mean, you say you saw the show, the consensus in the show really seem to be that Trump is, is, is, is doing this like purely in a, like out of motives to do with his own sort of psychological requirements, you know what I mean? And just the, you know, the way they framed for example, us getting involved last June and bombing the nuclear sites was that when Trump made the decision that we were going to do it and ordered people to start planning, start getting ready, that's the war still looked like it was just this bang up success for Israel. And he just saw that and he's like, well, I can't let Netanyahu get all the credit. I got to get in on this. And so. Which sounds kind of crazy with any other president. And it even would have been crazy with Trump, 2016 to 2020, because he had, you know, whatever you think of them, just sort of overall, he had serious people like McMaster or Mattis, you know, these people around him who had enough confidence in themselves, in their own sort of position that they could tell the president, you know, that that's a. That's a bad idea and we're not going to do it. And, you know, sometimes in ways that, you know, it's a. It's a. It's a. It's a hard line to sort of walk.
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Scott Horton
Right.
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Daryl Cooper
Because that same mentality is what got the Pentagon to lie to him about pulling troops out of Syria. So, I mean, like, it's not like it's a good solution to presidential overreach or anything to have the deep state, like, step in. But I'm just saying, like, from the standpoint of, like, trying to. Trying to see what's going on, like, is this plausible? I would say that, like, in the first administration, probably not, but this one, maybe, maybe, you know, and just the need to always look like he's winning, look like tough guy, all that, you know, just the image aspect of it is something he understands very deeply. And so he just says things, you know, he just says whatever to put a narrative out there and pound it home. And, you know, then. Then you go and try to work a situation to make your magic words come true, you know?
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Scott Horton
Yep. Yeah. Power of positive thinking, man. You just got to keep projecting it. Now, on the other hand, there was a piece by a Sanger in the Times who. I forget if he even talked to any Iranians in there. Honestly, man, I'd have to go back and look at it. But at least it made it appear that these talks are not just fantasy, that they are having some talks and they even had. In fact, I think I have here a thing I was going to show you about that. Be better if I could see reading glasses on there.
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Daryl Cooper
But.
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Scott Horton
So here, Trump, suppose he's even going to accept the down blending, as they say, of the enriched uranium to lower percentages 235, and let Iran hold on to the stockpile, Just dilute it down. That's a huge climb down, or would potentially be a huge climb down. The other one was he was going to accept a sunset of 15 years on, no enrichment, which he could have just extended the sunset under the JCPOA easily, if that had been his thing, but so that had, you know, according to Sanger, that's Trump's people at least willing to climb down quite a bit. But then the bombing begins and Trump says no nuclear and whatever, and it whole thing's casted out. You know, I'm sorry, man. In a way, we're not really making any progress in this conversation any further than they are on these talks because he's still stuck in the same rock in a hard place. And so we're still analyzing that same stupid stuck position that, well, he lost a war, but he still has all this power. So like George Bush or Barack Obama in Afghanistan, he just don't want to admit it. He just wants to kick the can down the road till something else happens, figure something else out. Can't admit that he lost. And until he does, then we're all screwed. And the threat is that the war will get much worse.
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Daryl Cooper
Yeah. And, you know, we always come back to the same fundamental hang up, which is that, you know, you, you said it earlier, that we can't seem to keep our little ally Israel, to stick to these ceasefires that we keep, we keep saying or keep putting out there. And the thing is, like, that should be fine. Like it. Israel's a sovereign country. Israel can say, you guys have a ceasefire with Iran, we got our own problems with Lebanon, whatever, and so we're not a part of that. They could, they totally can do that. But the appropriate response to it and the response we would give to any other country would be, all right, well, you guys have fun then. And that would be that, you know, but because, you know, Israel, Israel sort of calls the shots. I mean, from the very beginning, I, I remember an episode when this thing first started out and one of us said, you know, that this thing is going to come down to whether or not Trump can manage to, To. To, you know, grow enough balls to tell Netanyahu in the Israel lobby no, period like that. Everything else, you know, whether it's this enrichment or that or this sunset or all of that is really just window dressing to, can he tell the Israelis no. And if he can't, then he's still going to be in this war, you know, by the time he gets out of office and your sounds off.
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Scott Horton
Sorry, I do that out of politeness and then I mess up. Yeah. And look, the no is huge. The no is not just, hey, look, stop bombing Lebanon. The no is you got to reign all of this in. And we're not co. Signing on any of it anymore. I mean, again, he's the one who gave Iran this advantageous position that they would not have dared, evidently, before February 28th. Now they're willing to go ahead and fight Israel and, as Mearsheimer says, go up the escalation ladder and signal their willingness to go ahead and continue the fight. All this stuff about how they're licked and they're ready to give in and they're begging to sign a deal and whatever. Nuh. They're even willing to jump in on the side of Hezbollah and whoever else, Christians and whoever else are getting bombed to death in Lebanon right now. So. Yeah.
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Daryl Cooper
And, you know, he can't.
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Scott Horton
He won't, because it's the hugest snow in the whole world. It's not. No, let's not start this. It's. No, I demand you end this right now. All of this stuff, which is just too big of a deal for him. Yeah.
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Daryl Cooper
Yeah. And, you know, the one thing that maybe I would have, you know, placed my bets on was that after a while, Trump would just start to feel humiliated and his ego would be the thing that drove. But I think we're far, far, far past that. I mean, we. We passed that threshold a long, long time ago. So, yeah, I don't have a whole lot of hope for it. I mean, I. I think at this point, you know, people, once we got maybe three or four weeks into the war, you started to see. I think. I think Mearsheimer said, a few other people may have said it, that at this point, the war is going to be fought to its military conclusion. There's just not, you know, the players that are in power right now, like in the US In Israel, that the various dynamics that are at play are just not going to allow us to have a clean exit any more than it has from any other war other than, like, the Houthi little, you know, dust up where you can. Certainly nobody cares. Right. Nobody even knew we were at war. Unless you're watching Scott Horton show or something, you can get away with that. But, you know, this. I mean, again, like, Afghanistan, Iraq, Vietnam, I mean, just go back and back and back, and the political system almost seems set up in such a way that it is almost impossible for a president to admit this was a bad idea and just walk away. It's almost impossible, you know, and, and, and I wouldn't say by design, but it is designed in a way that makes it almost impossible, you know, and, and so all of the talk, you know, if. If Trump had the ability to lay enough bombs on Iran in a day or over a course of time or anything like that that would push this war toward the end. He would not even be talking to them right now. He would be bombing them. He's not doing it because he does not have the means. I mean, he just does not have the means to bomb Iran into submission. And the only things that we can really do at this point to escalate from our side, I mean, we can go back to assassinating people again, but that obviously hasn't really accomplished anything at all, is we can start bombing infrastructure like we've been talking about for, like, a couple months now. But Iran has an immediate retaliation card to play on all of that that, you know, is. Is several steps up the escalation ladder from whatever we can do to them. Especially when you account for the fact that Israel's this tiny little country, you know, that it's much more dependent on single points of failure or has much less redundancy in its infrastructure systems for water and power and all these things than Iran does. And so, yeah, it's. Do not believe for a second that, like, I mean, I know you don't, but the idea that, like, Trump, you know, he's thinking about hitting him really, really, really hard this time, and they're going to be sorry, but, well, I'm just not going to do it. Trump does not have the means to do that right now in a way that's not going to provoke backlash from Iran. That. That will hurt more.
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Scott Horton
Yeah. Now, I don't know if this was verified, but I know that Iranian press reports were that they did hit a water reservoir that was responsible for. For providing a lot of water. And I know they've had droughts recently. I don't know how much rains they've had in the meantime. In fact, I read a thing that said they got a lot of rain since the war started, and then they were all taken as divine providence that the drill broke with the war that like it, bring it, dude, God's on our side kind of thing. But anyway, they did bomb that reservoir. So that makes all those desalination plants tempting targets for. And, you know, I read a thing. This may have been a bit hyperbolic, but it seems serious. Like, it wasn't by just some guy. It was, you know, someone over there who knew a lot about this stuff, saying that essentially the Iranians, if they just decided to hit all these desalination plants all up and down the Gulf, they could just shut down those countries and force a mass exile of those populations, that they would not be able to rebuild them in time to start drinking fresh water again, they would have to flee. And where would they even go? Net? They really, you want to talk about, like, playing trump cards and all that. They could just shut down the drinking water and the agricultural water for many of those states. You know, I don't know what kind of natural freshwater resources Saudi has or what, but apparently a lot of those smaller states on the Gulf have nothing except seawater.
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Daryl Cooper
Pretty much all of the Gulf states, dude. Like, I think the lowest dependency on desalination that I saw was like 85%.
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Scott Horton
Oh, man.
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Daryl Cooper
Yeah. So, I mean, you're talking about tens of millions of people would have to flee, like within months. It would be a, It'd be total chaos. And it's obvious that Iran doesn't want to do that. You know, they could have, they could have pulled that card. They've had excuses so far. You know, they've put red lines down and had them crossed and didn't take that step. And I think it's partly because, you know, I think Putin is kind of past this in the Ukraine war now, or at least he's getting there. But for a long time, like, I really got the sense with him that he's like, yeah, the US Is totally unmanageable. They're an enemy, fine. The UK fine, You know, Poland and the Baltics and these border states, fine. But there are like, Europe in general, like, this war is going to end someday and I need to be able to have a relationship with this place, like, after it's done. And, and that his actions are sort of, you know, you'd see that in his actions. And Iran is obviously thinking that way with regard to the Arab and Gulf states, you know, is that there is going to be a day after the war and we're still going to have to live next to these people. And, you know, and it's sort of, you know, doing that too, is like, you know, it's a thing where, you know, I've, I've sort of compared it before to like that option, the option to shut down the oil and gas coming out of the Gulf. And then the ultimate card of hitting the, the desalination plants and other infrastructure is sort of a non nuclear weapon of mass destruction that Iran has at its disposal. But the problem is they only have one. And if they do it, okay, well, now that card's been played. And so now we're on the other side, you know, of that in a war now where they're really just kind of like, economically and, and militarily, at least over a long term, like kind of outgunned. And. And I don't think. I just don't think they want to do that. Shown. They've shown absolutely no signs that they're looking to escalate like that. And I would even say, I think that you've seen actions taken by Israel and arguably the United States that seem intended to bait them into doing it. And, you know, I. I don't know what the Gulf countries think about that, but they're the ones. I mean, it's not an accident that Qatar and, you know, Oman, that these are the one. That. These are the countries that are really trying to get this thing wrapped up. I mean, they're the ones suffering from this. Israelis. Yeah, sort of. Iranians. Yes, sort of. But, you know, the. The Gulf countries, I mean, this is their whole. This is their whole livelihood, their whole economy. Everything is kind of, you know, being ground down here, so. Yeah, man.
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Scott Horton
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Daryl Cooper
Be concerned, Mr. President, about the latest inflation number which came out this morning. Could that be it? No, I love it. The numbers were great. You know what I really love? I love the inflation. You know why? Because as soon as this war is over, you know, I can say it now, something you didn't know do.
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Scott Horton
You know, we've been taking out whatever. Anyway, he just says nothing until the end. He says it's all worth it because now Iran is not going to be able to have a nuclear weapon. That's where it ends.
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Daryl Cooper
Yeah.
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Scott Horton
And I love inflation. I love the inflation. The President of the United States says when that inflation, that means the price of bacon and eggs and bread for people's families, right? That means the cost of getting to work. That's the margin of even going to work for some people.
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Daryl Cooper
Yeah, Right. But I mean, God, you know, for Donald Trump and the class of which he's a part, you know, those, the things that are listed in the consumer price index comprise about.0001% of his annual spending or annual income. And to him, inflation, you know, has always met meant the value of the massive debts that he's holding on things goes down and the value of the assets that he's holding goes up. And so that's what it means to people like him. And so I can understand why he, why he would say that. But, you know, it reminds me of this. There's this. You ever seen a show, 30 Rock? There's. Yeah, Alec Baldwin is like this CEO type character, right? And he's very detached from sort of,
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Scott Horton
I was thinking third rock from the sun.
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Daryl Cooper
Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is 30 Rock. So he's like this CEO type with the lady.
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Scott Horton
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Daryl Cooper
And. And very detached from like, you know, normal working people's reality. So he's talking to his, his nanny and trying to renegotiate, like, the price or whatever. And so he says, okay, listen, you know, like she comes to an offer with him wanting double the money, right? And so he says, listen, let's say you go down to the store and talk to the grocery concierge and you want to buy a sack of potatoes which costs, I don't know, $400. Now, it wouldn't be any fair if they gave you the same amount of potatoes and charge you $800. Like, that's kind of, that's obvious, like a farcical version of it. But I mean, there is a lot of that. Like, he doesn't understand what it really means for dollar for a dollar, you know, a 25% increase from four to five dollars for gasoline for people out there who go through ten thousand, a hundred thousand gallons of diesel every year for their small business or whatever. He just has no concept of that stuff, you know, and I don't think he particularly cares.
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Scott Horton
No, he doesn't. And inflation means that. Well, at least the crash ain't come yet. And so, you know, from his point of view, you want to stave off that crash as long as possible. Let it fall on the other guy's watch.
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Daryl Cooper
It's another version of what we were talking about with the it being impossible sort of it's baked into our system to make it impossible for a president to back out of a crappy war because then he's going to be the guy who lost it. It's the same thing here. Like, you know, every president just has an interest in kicking the economic can down the road to the next administration if they can, you know.
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Scott Horton
Y. Absolutely right. I always thought it was poetic justice that at least the crash of 08 happened on Bush's watch while he was still in the chair. Couldn't blame it all on the next guy, which the next guy ruined a lot of things in his own way with all of his bailouts and all of his stimulus and all of his horribleness. But at least the crash happened on W. Bush's watch. He deserved that for sure because it was his fault. But yeah, as far as, yeah, Trump and inflation and, and all of that, the, the problem for Americans, I mean, you know, how much that means in terms of housing costs and just everything else. But yeah, I don't know, I guess
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Daryl Cooper
I wanted to get your thoughts on. I'm sure you saw this, but our friend of the show, Trita Parsi, do you see this piece?
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Scott Horton
Oh yeah.
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Daryl Cooper
About the Trump administration potentially targeting him, investigating him for hilarious like supporting America's enemies is what they said in the article. Because he's been, I don't know, like a lifelong critic of the government of Iran that chased his family to Sweden. It's so ridiculous. And you know, he's such a sort of just a distinguished like stand up guy that going after him is like it's all bad. You know, deporting some Columbia student because they're organizing an anti Israel protest is bad too. This is like, I mean it's really. Somebody in the comments said it well, this is like really like just another major, just mask off moment. I mean this is just dissent because I Mean, I don't. I, I would hate to, you know, you, you, you want to think that someone like Trita and, and I think that, you know, from what I know of him that he, he would be this way, that say what he has to say. And if the consequences come, they come. But still, man, like, not everybody's going to be like that. And they're going to see just the article of them potentially investigating and they're going to be a little more careful in their next interview. You know, it's a. And that's the goal of stuff like this and it's really infuriating.
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Scott Horton
I know. Yeah. This is something I talked about with him there. These rumors were going around back a few months ago and his policy was, well, just try to stay as visible as possible so that it's, you know, as outrageous as possible if it does come. And so, you know, there's also a real risk that they could arrest him and hold him for whatever period of time before kicking him out of the country and this kind of thing as, you know, the process being the punishment and that kind of thing.
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Daryl Cooper
So, dude, those two girls who Laura Loomer outed as being tangentially related to Soleimani, who as far as I know, they still deny and no actual proof has been shown, they're still being held in Texas, right?
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Scott Horton
Yeah, I just read that today. I think it was the girl and her father or something.
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Daryl Cooper
It's crazy. Yeah.
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Scott Horton
And look, and you're right about. Trita is a good dude and he's been around a long time. I mean, I've known him for almost 20 years or something. You know, he was the founder of niac, the National Iranian American Council.
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Daryl Cooper
And you know, he was a plank owner of Quincy too, right?
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Scott Horton
Yeah, he was one.
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Daryl Cooper
Quincy, like Quincy is a coke project, right?
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Scott Horton
Yes, well, it was. I don't know if the coke.
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Daryl Cooper
Okay, yeah, but originally like when it got started up and it's like, okay, yeah, the guy, the guy who co founded an organization, it was a coke project. Just such a, such a dangerous anti establishment, you know, it's so stupid, dude.
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Scott Horton
And look, there's so many good Iranian Americans like him who, which I wish he'd gotten his citizenship a long time ago, but there's so many guys like him who do not support the Ayatollah regime, nor did they support the Monarchists or the Mek cult or any of these crazies trying to foment war against their former country. You know, and he's always stood on the side of Peaceful negotiation and resolution these conflicts. He's the guy. I tell people all the time, you gotta read Treacherous Alliance.
- [34:19]
Daryl Cooper
Yeah.
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Scott Horton
It is just, you know, this foundational text for understanding the true relationship between America, Israel and Iran and what it's all about. And it ain't radical Islam, man. It's national interests. And. And the crazy.
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Daryl Cooper
Because it's not as if he's some kind of firebrand who's out there. Like, you know, he criticizes the war. But I've seen a hundred of his interviews since this war started. We've interviewed him. I interviewed him. It, you know, he's always presenting it from a standpoint of this is a terrible idea for the United States because X, Y and Z reasons like, it's. Yeah, it's just. It. I have a smile on my face because it's one of those things where, you know, it's like a gallows humor kind of thing. So dark that you laugh, but, like, it just. It really is ridiculous and I hope it doesn't go anywhere.
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Scott Horton
Yeah. Well, it says here I've interviewed him 51 times over these years. Beginning when, let's see, beginning in 2010 would be the first one on the dial here. So 15 years ago, good deeds. 16, I can count real good. Yeah. And that is absolutely an outrage. And it just goes to show, you know, this is the kind of thing that happens in wartime, is that people get to pretend that people they don't like are enemies and violate their rights. And it's one of the main reasons why to stay out of war is because, you know, as Norman Dodd said back in, what, 1910. Norman Dodd was. Oh, no, no, he is in the one who said this. He later quoted them. Norman Dodd was the investigator for the original House UN American Activities Committee, and he would investigate the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. And he said it was founded on the question, is there in. In 1910. It was founded on the question of is there any means more effective than war, assuming you wish to alter the life of an entire people? And then they studied that for a year and they came back in 1911 and they said, no, there isn't. So, next project, how do we get America into a war? And that was how, you know, people can find that interview of Norman Dodd being interviewed by G. Edward Griffin, I believe, still. And so, yeah, that is the point. But what if you want to conserve what's best about your society and you don't want the life of your entire people altered by these horrible New Republic liberals, then you stay out of war. That would be the opposite, you know, if you wanted to take a negative advice from those kooks in. But yeah, so yeah, these things happen. What was I gonna say? I don't know. Well, as long as we're on civil liberties here, let's talk about this for a second. This is also in the stupid times. Trump picks new intelligence chief after the revolt over Pulte. Apparently that guy was from the farming bureau or whatever thing, but he was a Trump loyalist. But everybody flipped out and apparently enough that Trump changed his mind and he's now going to put in this guy who's the US Attorney for Manhattan to take the job as dni.
- [37:41]
Daryl Cooper
I find myself wondering what that's really about, you know, because, okay, like I'm sure he doesn't have any experience and people were concerned about that. But I mean, you know, people look at Pete Hegseth's in charge of the Pentagon, you know, they were worried that
- [37:59]
Scott Horton
he wouldn't be able to be persuasive on the FISA thing. But then I also read that it's too late for them anyway. I have a story here somewhere that said. Yeah, oh, here it is. Right here is House rejects bill to expand the spy power or to extend the spy power, all but assuring the lapse. They've left town. So now this is crucial. This is the FISA 702. Well, it should be crucial they explain at the end of the article that actually they have this kind of emergency stopgap thing that kicks in should it sunset. A built in safety mechanism would most likely enable it to continue operating because of the way they time the certifications and things and. Okay, well, but what FISA 702 does is it allows for the FBI to tap into the NSA's hall. And the NSA of course has a writ, you know, general warrant on the entire population of mankind outside of the United States. But if you have foreigners on the phone or communicating by whatever electronic means with people in the United States, whether citizens or just other types of U.S. persons, and those people are protected and the NSA for example, is supposed to not be allowed to look at who those names are unless they have a specific reason to that, then they would turn it over to the FBI who would have to go to a court to unmask it or whatever. But under 702 the FBI can basically go, go, can basically go trolling around inside the NSA's hall where they can find out all this information about the Americans on the other side of those conversations without having a judicial check. On the thing and which, the whole thing is unconstitutional under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance act of 1978, which itself gives, you know, grants the government a wide unconstitutional leash on surveillance in the first place.
- [40:10]
Daryl Cooper
But back during the Russia Gate thing, you know, in the first Trump administration.
- [40:17]
Scott Horton
Oh, what I do and all that. I didn't mean to unclick you there. I meant to unclick that New York Times article. Say that again. Back during who's what.
- [40:25]
Daryl Cooper
During the first Trump administration, when Russiagate was hot, you know, there was a lot of stuff, obviously people were Talking about the NSA spying 702s, FISA, all that stuff. And one of the, one of the stories that came out, I, I, I, gosh, I can't, I can't remember any specifics about it at all, except the general idea of the story was there's a bunch of examples of agents who were going in and running queries just on people that they had personal problems with, you know, that they, and, and it's not that like, oh, that's so evil that we can't, it's that the system is set up in a way to make that possible. It just shows you how ripe for abuse it is. I mean, and even things like, you know, I think they probably violate the, you know, the, the, the regulation against spying directly on Americans anyway. But even if you are somebody who believes that the NSA holds to that, holds to that rule, I wouldn't, I wouldn't believe for a second that they don't have workarounds, you know, that the British listen to Americans that you're interested in. And then you have a, a line set up between two Brits that we monitor because that's foreign intelligence gathering. And they talk about the thing that we want, you know, like they're, they'll, they'll always find workarounds for that kind of stuff.
- [41:40]
Scott Horton
So, yeah, I mean, they had the two hop rule, but under the two hop rule, that means that anyone on your contact list, anyone you've ever contacted, and then anyone that any of them have ever contacted, and then anyone that any of them have ever contacted, boy, that's, you get pretty far in two hops, you know what I mean?
- [42:05]
Daryl Cooper
You can cover the entire population simply because, you know, the two hop is, okay, two hops from me, right? Two degrees removed. So Scott and all my other friends, and then all of their family and friends and everybody that they ever met or talked to. But then what you can do is now you've got, I don't know, 10,000 people like you're on a list and you're two degrees out and you can say, you know what, actually, we need to open another investigation on this person. They're a person of interest. Oh, we just got two more hops. And you can just keep doing that forever. I mean, you cover everybody, you know.
- [42:36]
Scott Horton
Yep. Yeah. Which. That's how they do it. And then, by the way, regarding something that you said right before that, about the hopping thing on the taps, about the ease of their ability to, you know, surveil whoever they want, including ex girlfriends or boyfriends and whatever, all of that kind of thing, it reminded me of that anecdote. I don't remember the source exactly who he was talking to, but it was. I'm. I'm virtually certain it was Edward Snowden. It may be in the documentary by the lady, but I don't think so because this is too substantive for her crappy documentary poitress. She didn't have any substance in that stupid thing. But there's some interview. Oh, I know. I bet it was. No, maybe it was Edward Snowden talking about the Oliver Stone movie about him. He's being kind of interviewed about it and then he's, like, talking about it, you know, about this scene, something like that. Because I'm not just referring to the fictionalized version. This was something from Snowden. I do remember that. Where he's talking about, you know, logging into an NSA computer terminal is just the same as getting on the Internet for anything. Right. Except that essentially their search bar, under their search bar, they can just search for all of Darrell Cooper's emails and then a page will, you know, come up with like, oh, well, here's his email account. You just log in here and whatever kind of thing, and it's all automatic. It's all done for you. They can search for, you know, things that you wouldn't even think of being searchable from here. But when you work for them. Yeah. You search for every place that Darrell Cooper's car has been for the last however many years, or every place your phone has been. Every. Everyone your phone has been with or whatever. You can just search all this stuff like it's a Google search on your little terminal there. And essentially, you know what I mean? It's like.
- [44:30]
Daryl Cooper
Yeah. And there's no, like, no blocks on it. Yeah. Whatever secure app you think you're using or anything. That thing that it's nothing for the NSA or a sophisticated state actor to break through. It's abs. So everybody always needs to keep that in mind, by the way, if it wasn't already obvious that when you're on signal or something, that's great. It's gonna, you know, protect you from hackers, you know, maybe, you know, some hacker group that wants to blackmail you or something. It's not gonna protect you from a state actor. Do not even imagine that.
- [45:01]
Scott Horton
Right, dude.
- [45:02]
Daryl Cooper
The level of sophistication of our signals intelligence now is. I mean, when I would be back in. I want to say it was 2013, I was out providing support for the destroyer that you remember back. And I think it was. It was in late 2013. There were two simultaneous operations. Delta did one in Libya, and Seal Team 6 did one in Somalia. And the Delta one went fine. The Seal Team 61 turned to a big firefight, and they barely got out of there because the intelligence had been leaked. But the. The reason we knew what was going on and pick the time to, like, actually go strike, because we've been. The SEAL team was on board with us for a few weeks, but waiting for the ghost signal, we had submarines in the water miles offshore that were monitoring all of their cell phone towers, all kinds of other. I mean, it's super sophisticated, dude. Like. And, yeah, it's just. It's the world we live in. You know, you have to always, like, operational security is in. Is important, but don't ever think that that means, you know, using this or that app or, you know, it's just. Unless you whisper it into your spouse's ear. That is public information. If. If the right person wants it.
- [46:27]
Scott Horton
Yeah. Hey, word to the USS Liberty, man. This week is the anniversary of that.
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Daryl Cooper
Did you see? I was. Jocko shared out the episode on June 8 that he got guys. Yeah. Dude, I swear, I will always. I mean, I love Jocko anyway, but I will always love him for that. Like, he knew a hundred percent that how that was gonna go over with, you know, with certain people.
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Scott Horton
He's a seal.
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Daryl Cooper
Yeah.
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Scott Horton
He's a Navy guy.
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Daryl Cooper
Yeah.
- [46:56]
Scott Horton
And a very highly respected one.
- [46:59]
Daryl Cooper
Yeah.
- [47:00]
Scott Horton
And.
- [47:01]
Daryl Cooper
And I think that's why they've just tried to ignore it instead of actually going after him for anything. Is, you know, he.
- [47:07]
Scott Horton
He's.
- [47:08]
Daryl Cooper
He was able to sort of play the angle of, like, look, Daryl and I are both Navy guys, and this was a naval incident that took place, the biggest attack on a U.S. ship. And you, of course, we're going to talk to these guys. And he let them tell their full story. You saw. You were there, actually. And the fact that he's still sharing it out there, you know, on June 8, letting people know that it's there. Like he's. He's a real dude, man. I always love that guy.
- [47:32]
Scott Horton
Y. Yeah, man. I've done a lot of interviews with those guys over the years. I was going to reach out to Phil Turney this week, but I've just been so busy. Maybe I still will tomorrow. I think I have some open space tomorrow. I already have three or four interviews tomorrow. But over the years, if people want to check the archives@scott horton.org I got interviews of Ron Kol, who unfortunately is no longer with us, but with Phil Turney and Bowman and. Oh, man, I'm sorry. I'm blanking on everybody's name, but I've done this. You just. And you know what? Google hates my website, man. I don't know why. Maybe use the. The native search bar thing there might help. Just search USS Liberty there. But I got at least a good. Probably eight or ten interviews about it. But yeah. Anyway, here's one that's fun. I think people remember this, but they might not remember the context. Really. Here, court overturns convictions tied to the Whitmer kidnapping plot. Well, that's tied to. Along with a bunch of acquittals that came in. I think only one guy was convicted in the end, Joseph Morrison. And they gave flawed jury instructions. They say here. The thing is, everyone I think remembers, even, you know, Ken Bensinger, who was from. I forgot he ended up writing for the New York Times, but he was writing for a prominent liberal site. I'm sorry, I can't remember exactly which one it was anymore. Maybe. Nah, I don't remember. Could have been the nation or something. But anyway, they did a big story about how 10 of the 12 involved in this plot to kidnap and murder the lady governor of Michigan, the Democratic lady governor of Michigan were FBI informants and the other two were their marks. And a bunch of these guys were acquitted because it was shown at their trial that they had completely cut and edited and spliced the audio and made it sound like conversations that took place on the way there or that happened after the fact had taken place on the way there, which totally changed the context and made them seem guilty. They got totally busted. And by the way, Ken Silva was pointing out that one of the prosecutors involved in this was involved in the investigation in. Into the assassination of the attempted assassination of the President in Pennsylvania in July of 24. Anyway, this whole thing was a ridiculous hoax. But remember the point. Martyr made. The point is this hoax was unveiled by the American Secret Police in October of 2020, this was their big October surprise. The same guys who we now know had possession of the Hunter Biden laptop beginning in November. Well, we, let me check. We know.
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Daryl Cooper
I thought they had it since.
- [50:37]
Scott Horton
And they had it in December of 19.
- [50:40]
Daryl Cooper
Of 19. Okay.
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Scott Horton
Of 19. So they, they knew about it for virtually a year, for 11 months. And they had it in their possession for at least 10 months before they quashed the Republicans October Surprise or squashed, I guess the Republicans October surprise censored the New York Post, totally marginalized the evil Giuliani, but still, he wasn't wrong in this case and completely crushed the story of the Hunter Biden laptop and all the corruption in it, including confirmation, by the way, of exactly what Donald Trump said he was concerned about in his so called perfect phone call about the corruption where this gas company in Ukraine hired Hunter Biden for the purpose of him using his influence in Washington to get Washington to use their influence in Kiev to obstruct justice and shut down criminal investigations into their criminality. And all of that was on the laptop in the FBI's possession during his whole impeachment on that basis. And then again months later in October, right before the election, Giuliani has his big October surprise and they, they completely destroy it. The same goons, the same secret police agency frames these idiot Trump supporters. I mean, it's hardly fair, but frame them for this supposed plot against this governor in order to drum up, and it did drum up a lot of publicity that. See how these Trump supporters are. These aren't your normal Republicans, man. These are the, these are terrorists. They're white supremacists and militia kooks. And they were going to kidnap and hang and behead the corpse of the poor Democrat lady governor and whatever, cut all 40 of her babies heads off and hang their corpses from clotheslines and whatever it takes. And I guarantee that cost him a point or two here and there. You know, whether that alone was the election, I don't know. But was that part of a massive influence operation by the FBI? I mean, what the hell. Russiagate was too, right? They were totally cooperating with Hillary Clinton during that whole time before the election of 16. But this is just, I'm sorry, it's, this is just absolutely beyond outrageous that the Bureau of Federal Investigations, Federal Bureau of Investigations gets to behave in this way and act purely like some kind of gestapo secret police force in trying to rig national elections against favored presidential candidates of major parties and whatever. Boy, is the national security state operating in a post Constitutional type of situation now. And of course, Trump is a very post constitutional president too, but that doesn't give them the right. He's the only member of the national executive branch who stands for election, the only one. And, and you know, the CIA, the FBI, they're not even in the Constitution anywhere. You might be able to infer the power of the President to have an FBI for the, his Department of Justice, but maybe not.
- [53:45]
Daryl Cooper
Yeah, two things on that. One, I do have to say in defense of my man HB Hunter Biden, the Trump administration is making that burisma stuff and everything else child's play at this point.
- [54:01]
Scott Horton
You're, you're sure right about that. But it's still true and it's still a major FBI cover up and obstruction there.
- [54:06]
Daryl Cooper
The second thing though, the, the, to the, to this more serious point, you know, this issue was, was for a lot of people, including myself, I mean this was like the, the thread I wrote on Twitter that went viral that kind of propelled me to that next level was about this. And it wasn't, you know, it wasn't a sort of a detailed thing going through. And then Comey wrote this to McCabe, whatever. What it was was just sort of pointing out how important this issue is and is to actual the people who care about it. You know, this is not something that is a scandal. This kind of, this breaks the republic unless it is smashed, you know, and that, I mean, it was enough for me and a lot of people to continue to support Trump in 20 and 24 purely, I mean, not that I was ever going to support the Democrat side like with who they were putting up. But you know, my thinking was, and I think a lot of people felt this way was just this kind of behavior from the security state cannot be rewarded. They have to lose. They have to. And you know, the joke's kind of on us like they lost and now Trump does whatever that he wants.
- [55:22]
Scott Horton
I, I, I especially, I never voted for the guy or, or supported him because, you know, the guy said Likud Party member, that ain't good enough for me. But I definitely, I especially wanted him to win in 20 more than even in 24. Although it was actually, it was just as important for other reasons in 24, I guess. But it really would have been better if he'd been reelected in 20 because that was after four years of fever pitch. He's a Nazi, he's a white supremacist, he's a Russian agent, he is a traitor. He leaked secrets to the Russians about an Israeli spy in ISIS and just whatever on, you know, turned up to 11 for four years. And if he had won by a solid 10% anyway in November of 20, that would have just been the most beautiful repudiation of the national security state. Every single female anchor on cable TV news and just. And all of the rest of them too, but especially them and just would have been the greatest of absolute screw use to all of them, which we did get that in 24. With his election in 24. We did get that, but it was not quite as, as harsh as it would have been if he'd been reelected in 20, you know. Yeah, there's a bunch of people who would have taken it personally, who it wouldn't have been about them, you know what I mean? That they would have been upset too. But oh well, it was really, it was the cable TV news ladies who deserve to be punished with Trump's reelection more than anything else after all of their absolute hysteria about his status as a Russian spy and all of their crap, you know. But anyway, I'm always glad when Democrats lose, but I could never support really anybody but Ron Paul or potentially Thomas Massie for president. I don't even know if I could support Rand Paul because I just know how he is, man.
- [57:17]
Daryl Cooper
You know, on the broader issue of these, these types of operations, like I don't. When was the last forwarded attack that wasn't one of these frame up jobs. Like I even imagine, like think of one and
- [57:34]
Scott Horton
it's gonna blow up the subway in New York. He was not a put up job. He was a legit guy and they caught his ass. Now that was like in 2003 thing
- [57:46]
Daryl Cooper
that is most galling about it and just most brazen I guess about like the way that they do it is very often it was in this, was in a book that was about the FBI from like 2001 to the early 2010s, like in just all the stuff they had been doing primarily with, you know, with mosques and Muslim organizations and individuals and stuff. And it was about that, but it, it carried the. One of the things that it mentioned in there and it gave a bunch of examples is that these guys, they, it's not as if they hear of a, a group of guys that's plotting an attack and they're like, well we're gonna go and you know, infiltrate that group or we're gonna work over this person. And what it's that literally they go fishing for people who fit the psychological profile of somebody who can be manipulated into something like this, right? And it's like, I mean again, that's something that's like, it's so over the top in terms of just how, how it sounds like some doct, you know, write a book about that.
- [58:48]
Scott Horton
That was going to be my first book, but at that time I didn't realize how easy it would be to just do it myself. And I couldn't find a good publisher for it. I had a co author and we just couldn't find a good publisher for it. But yeah, I mean you can kind of, you're used to this stuff. You could tick them off. The Detroit 5. The Liberty City 7. The Fort Dick Pizza plot. The Brooklyn Synagogue plot. The JFK Airport Fuel Depot plot. The remote control plane attack on the Pentagon plot. The Garland, Texas plot that got a security guard shot that was provoked by the FBI. The LOI pole vaulting plot. Ask me another time. The Portland Christmas tree plot. There's, and that's just a few of the most famous ones that, yeah, put up jobs by the FBI. And there's a great book about this by Trevor Aronson called the Terror Factory. Started out as an article at Mother Jones and then it's a book and he says there's more than 250 of these where it's clear that the guy had no money, no capability, didn't even know what the deal was. It's like, listen man, here's $20,000. Say you love Osama into this microphone, dumb, dumb. And then they go, okay, I guess I love Osama. If you're gonna buy me a plane ticket out of here, buy my mom foot surgery or whatever thing it is. And they just scammed.
- [60:03]
Daryl Cooper
Sometimes some of the examples are like even, even darker than that in a way where, you know, there were examples where they'll go into a mosque and the guy will just become, you know, he's a member of the mosque now and he's attending, right? And he goes in and he waits until he can identify a guy who has no friends, who's not smart, he's a stupid guy and really just lonely, depressed. And then he goes and becomes his friend. And he just becomes his friend for like six months. They don't talk terrorism, they don't talk anything like that. And then once they're friends, once he's his only friend in the world, right, this guy who, this agent who is like a skilled trained operator in psychological manipulation goes and starts to gradually work this guy into a lather to get him like that. That is just so disgusting, dude. It's like evil to do something like that.
- [61:02]
Scott Horton
Yeah. And you know who is the pioneer of all of that more than anyone? Robert Mueller. He was the head of the FBI during George W. Bush. And see, you know, the war in Iraq did cause blowback terrorism. And there have been real terrorist attacks. You ask, have there been any ones that got busted that weren't fake? But San Bernardino, that wasn't a put up job. Orlando wasn't a put up job. There was a guy that luckily failed, but tried to blow up a marathon in New York and New Jersey. There was of course the Boston Marathon attack. There have been other very real terrorist attacks. There was the attempted underpants bombing, of course, which luckily failed. Which in fact intelligence agents helped the guy get on the plane in the Netherlands, not knowing he had a bomb in his pants and wanting to follow him and see who he talked to when he got here. As the State Department admitted, they want to see who he talked to when he got here. He almost blew up a plane over Detroit on Christmas Day 2009.
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Daryl Cooper
So.
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Scott Horton
But in the meantime, it took a while. You know, Al Qaeda blew their load on September 11th. They didn't need to keep attacking us. They got their Afghan war. It worked. And so it took a few years for anybody to be motivated enough by our new round of wars to go ahead and start this kind of second wave of attacks. But Daryl, they needed your aunt and uncle to be afraid in the meantime. So they needed Robert Mueller to entrap these idiots just like you described. You know, find the slowest kid down at the Islamic bookstore and work on him and work on him and work on him until you trick him into saying something stupid and then give him life in prison and parade him on TV and say, oh my God, look at the never ending parade of terrorists that we parade before you. It's the most cynical thing. It sucks. It's. It's really just shameful. All right, we gotta go. We gotta go, dude. Let me show you this though. This here Scott Horton brand coffee. And don't worry, I share the spoils with my buddy, Darrell Cooper. It's really good drinking, man. I have this stuff every morning and I love the camera follows you around. Oh,
- [63:13]
Daryl Cooper
here I am with. Look at me, look at Scott Horton coffee, everybody. What the hell?
- [63:22]
Scott Horton
There you go. It's good, man. What you do is you grind it up and. Or you get it ground already and you Dr. It in the morning.
- [63:30]
Daryl Cooper
I'm doomed. Hold on, let me unplug this. I'll be right back.
- [63:34]
Scott Horton
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