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Daryl Cooper
Tonight on the show, libertarian right wing fusionism centered around opposition to American foreign policy.
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Scott Horton
All humans break. The difference between humans and gods is that gods can break humans.
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Daryl Cooper
Negotiate now end this war. You're watching Provoked with Daryl Cooper and Scott Horton debunking the propaganda lies of the past, present and future. This is Provoked. Darrow Mibuki, welcome to our show. How are you?
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Scott Horton
I'm doing all right, brother. How are you?
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Daryl Cooper
I'm doing good, man. I've been power washing things all day, so it's basically the best day of my life.
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Scott Horton
I just.
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Daryl Cooper
I love power washing things. Did you know there's a thing on Reddit? I had to quit Reddit cause I was spending all of my time addicted to power washing porn. It was destroying my life. I had to get off of it.
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Scott Horton
It is very satisfying to do. I. You know, assuming you don't have to do it 40 hours a week or something maybe, but just that feeling of watching whatever it is just gets stripped off. It's. It's pretty satisfying. It's like I've been cutting down a lot of trees out here with my chainsaw, you know, and just. You got a big one there and you cut the wedge in and you start cutting it from the other side and then it hits that point where it's like, boom. And it's so satisfying.
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Daryl Cooper
And especially when it doesn't go the wrong way and hit your house or something like that, like in the YouTubes.
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Scott Horton
I've. I've almost become a YouTube star because of that. More than once. Yeah.
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Daryl Cooper
Careful, Cooper. Yeah, we're gonna talk about important things on the show, like, are we going back to war? It's so funny if you just judge the war by our thumbnails from our every Friday show. The war's on. It's off. It's on. It's off.
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Scott Horton
Yeah. I mean, yeah, but I don't believe it.
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Daryl Cooper
I'm sticking with my previous. I think that Trump and the new supreme leader over there are both in the same boat here and that neither of them want to go back to war. Neither of them can win. Neither of them have anything really to gain from going back to war. America already ran out of targets. We hit as many as we could. It didn't make a damn bit of difference. We can't degrade their military, their missile capability faster than they can use it on us. And so what? And then. But they've already been kicked up three pegs. Any further conflict with the United States doesn't really do anything to benefit them. That I can see. And so they've already won what they want. Any more war is just destruction and cost and, and worse that they have to make up later. So it seems like, but then again there was every reason in the world not to do this in the damn first place. So I can line up all the incentives in my head that I want. That doesn't mean that it's going to work. Obviously they, we still have Hezbollah and obviously majorly Israel. We have endless quarrels in the Gulf or as I understand it Cooper, that it's America's trying to skirt the deal and that's what they're not getting away with. That's what led to the strikes on the ships the other day is they're trying to go through Oman's waters instead of Iran's and, and all of that. And then we still have the completely unresolvable nuclear issue as long as America insists on being unreasonable, which they do, that Washington does. So there's a lot to say that it can't work. There's these huge obstacles. But then again all the reasons that we shouldn't have done it are still in play for reasons why we need to wind the thing up as fast as we can. We have nothing to gain. People are talking about, you know, all these neoconservative hawks and whatever, you know, Mart Levin and whoever saying finish the job. Danny Davis, I was on his show. Thanks Danny Davis. Danny Davis deep dive today and he played a clip for me of Keith Kellogg saying oh no, the deal needs to be that Iran gives up all of their nuclear stuff. They to the IAEA with American advisers on the ground overseeing it all and end all support for Hamas and Hezbollah and give and Iraqi militias and the Houthis and, and give up all of whatever missiles they still have left over. And like this is used to be Donald Trump's advisor. This is a four star, at least a three star general talking Keith Kellogg like what we need to do is just line up all my magic wishes and make them come true. But I had no idea how to get between here or there. He sure didn't suggest how to get between here or there. So I don't know now I'm just setting you up to answer me and taking in as many of those things as you can into account. And plus whatever else you think I might need to know, I mean, yeah,
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Scott Horton
basically I don't know even how seriously to take a guy like that. You know, he's in a position where he doesn't have any responsibility for what happens. And so he can go out there and say, we need this, we need that. And if we don't get those things, he can say it's because his advice wasn't followed or whatever it is. You know, you can just, he can just say those things. He's not responsible for making it happen because basically what he's asking for, what he's demanding is unconditional surrender without having to do the work to procure one of those. You know what I mean? Like, I mean it would have been like after Do Little's raid on Tokyo if we were like, all right, now put your emperor on his hands and knees and dog walk him to the White House. Like, you know, you gotta do the work and none of us are prepared to do the work. Like, Americans are not ready for that. We don't want it. And you know, like, the thing is, like, doesn't it seem like, like all the things you said about the untenability of continued military action, you know, and it's sort of having, having maximize the results from that pathway already all that stuff is true. And, but you know, it doesn't really look to me like there's any kind of a plan here. Like, the plan is we have to hit them because they hit us. All right, well now they have to hit us because we hit them. And you know, we just can't lose face. We can't be the one who didn't get the last word in. And it is difficult unless Iran decides. And I could think of some ways that they might see things that, that could lead them to believe this, but unless Iran decides, we're going back to war, like real full scale, you know, kind of intensity. Yeah, I think that I, I don't think we'll be the ones who, who push it like that because I mean, when you, we've talked about this before, it's been a little while, but you know, when you get into the actual systems that were destroyed in the initial weeks of the, of the war by Iran on our bases, the earl specifically I'm talking about the early warning systems which are not replaceable and the thaad batteries which we proved, you know, that one that we brought over from South Korea got destroyed in like less than a week. I mean, we've kind of proven that we cannot protect those things, which means we're in a much, much, much weaker position than we thought we were when we launched this war. You know what I mean? So, like from a military standpoint, and I happen to know this for a fact, I mean The Pentagon, the highest levels at least, or, well, the highest military uniform levels are advising against continuing this, you know, because they don't feel like they have been given any instructions as far as missions like what, like what the mission is that can be accomplished by blowing more things up.
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Daryl Cooper
Sorry, to clarify, you're saying you have information from the Pentagon saying that they're advising against it now?
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Scott Horton
Yeah, I have friends who are, you know, he's not like the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs himself, but they're in the room with those guys. And you know, the, the, the really, the consensus at this point is if we're going to continue military strikes, let alone escalate, then we need a, a clear mission. We need to, so that we can tell you whether it's achievable, how it's achievable. But right now they're just not being given that by Heg Seth, or by, obviously by the President. And like, as long as that's the case, I mean, the military is going to be really reticent at the end of the day. They're going to follow orders, of course. But you know, it really, you know, I wonder if there is an element in Iran and maybe a growing element that thinks that the ceasefire in general was just a mistake, you know, that they, that we needed it more than they did. And they did it, you know, for reasons that make sense. But, but that all it's really done, that we have no intention of living by any agreement, that we are not absolutely militarily forced to accept anything short of that. We simply will not abide by it and we'll find ways around it and you know, we'll just, whatever it is. And so at this point, it wouldn't surprise me if there was an element inside Iran that just thinks that they're, you know, their best course forward if they want to get to a place where they're, where they're past this, where they're done with it, is to just fight it out. And the problem, of course, you know, is that nobody's putting armies on the ground. And so fighting it out just means, you know, continuing on both sides to basically fight this as a terroristic war where you're just sort of blowing things up, trying to make things difficult on civilian populations, trying to put pressure on governments by attacking, you know, infrastructure targets that upset the civilians. And so, you know, I do think we are at a military impasse, but I, you know, I wouldn't think for a second that that doesn't mean it can't just Go on and on, right?
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Daryl Cooper
Yeah, exactly. The unreason of it all is no argument against it. Not really, not in this century, not, not in my lifetime. That's not usually how it goes. All right, listen, we gotta do a little bit of business here. This is our new great sponsor, Expat Money. It's Mikhail Thorup. He's been an expat essentially his whole life and is essentially a real expert at how to live everywhere and where you can own property and where you can't and to what degree and what taxes are like and where you can park your money and how to have a plan B and save your net. So if you go to expatmoney.com provoked then they'll know that you got here by way of this show and you'll get your free booklet here, Plan B, residencies and instant citizenships. That's xpatmoney.com provoked. And as long as I'm at it, let me tell you too about Matt Cley, another great sponsor of ours. He is@agarist tax advice.com that's agarist tax advice.com and his deal is he hates the government as much as us, as much as you, and he wants to prevent you from providing revenue to the central state as much as lawyerly possible. And so that's what he's here for. If you own a small business or you're high salary type professional and you have money and you mean to protect it from the man. And check out your new lawyer, Matt Sersley@agristaxadvice.com so now the thing about a lot of this, well as Trump, you know, he says so many different things and you know, you guys got to read into it as best you can like you know, way the tea leaves and the criminology and the thing to sort of speculate like what he really means. Like there was one statement that got a lot of attention, Daryl, where he said, yeah, now as far as I'm concerned, I think the MOU is canceled. But you can tell he made that up on the fly. In answer to the lady's question, this was not like he said this morning, okay, the new policy is the MOU is canceled. And if anybody asked, that's what I'm going to say.
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Scott Horton
That was not what happened.
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Daryl Cooper
Like clearly he's just going to, yeah, I don't know, it looks like it's canceled to me. And then today he's going, oh, but they're begging, they're begging for a deal. They want a deal so bad. They're calling me, begging for a deal, which means he's backing down and he's going back to the talks. Right, Is what that's code for. Thank God. Right? So, you know, I don't know. I. I really hate to put too much stock in the. In the real world incentives against it, but like you're saying, the. Your source is telling you that. The Pentagon is telling him that, look, we don't want to do this anymore because we don't have a. A plan. We don't have a good strategy. You. You've given us goals. Essentially force them to somehow forsake Hezbollah. Well, they're not going to do that, okay? You could drop an H bomb on Tehran. Otherwise Tehran is going to back Hezbollah. That's the facts of life, Jack. You know what? Israel shouldn't have invaded Lebanon in 1982. Then tough. Those are the rules.
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Scott Horton
Those are the.
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Daryl Cooper
That's the iron law of the universe. Israel's occupation. They stayed too long. They humiliated the Shiite people of Lebanon. Now they have a Hezbollah to deal with. Tough. But there's no number of bombs we can drop on Tehran or some coastal city or some cave full of missiles that's going to make them change that strategic calculus. Forget it. So what's next? Oh, there's civilian enrichment. Well, what have they said this whole time? They've said, you can kill us, but we're never giving up our enrichment. And then we kill them. And that's still their position, the ones who are left. So we're not getting anywhere there. So, you know what I mean? Like, even if you're Donald Trump and you really like believing the things that you say a lot, if the chiefs are telling you, sir, we're actually kind of up against the wall here in terms of what we're able to do, then you have to accept that that's just reality. So you know what I mean? That's your Overton window. Whatever window it is, that's your window that you're allowed to wiggle within. You can blow up some boats in the Strait of Hormuz, or they can, and then you can hit them back, whatever. But you're not calling off the talks. Not really. You know what I mean? Maybe temporarily, whatever, suspend them, but. But Switzerland has to continue, because what other choice do they have? They really just have no choice here. So I don't know. And I even. And that goes for Netanyahu, too. I think he'll have to. At the end of the day. At the. Maybe at the end of the negotiations, he will finally have to be reigned in because just because there's no other way to continue, you know, people say no, he'll just insist on dragging us back in and continuing the war. Obviously, he's up against prison and that's a huge incentive for him to mess around. But ultimately what he's going to drag us into a war that our president's already really given up on. Right. And has no option to conclude. I don't think he's really going to disobey that severely. He didn't do that to Obama as much as he threatened to. He never dragged Obama into a war that he, that the president of the United States specifically said, don't you drag me into, you know.
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Scott Horton
Yeah. Especially given that, you know, in the Obama days, he still, like Israel, still had the option of retreating to the Republican Party, which is what they did. And nowadays, if they turn on Trump or do anything that loses there, they got no home in the U.S. i mean, because the Democrats aren't taking them back. You know, maybe some of their leaders want to, but their base isn't going to let them. So.
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Daryl Cooper
Yeah. And speaking of which. So that's a great segue into our next subject, brought to you by libertystickers.com that's libertystickers.com everybody else's stickers suck. And this is a speech by Rahm Emanuel. Now, you might remember that he was a member of Congress, a Democrat member of Congress. He became chief of staff to Barack Obama. He's the one who convinced Barack Obama to drop closing Guantanamo and to, you know, help to pressure him to escalate Afghanistan and a lot of bad things. He Also, in fact, before 08, he was one of the leaders of the Democratic Party that in the elections of 2006, he had, he ran the DNC at the time and he or the DCCC or whichever it was and he made sure to that the Democratic Party favored all the pro war candidates in the primary and worked against all the anti war candidates in the democratic primary in 06. And in every case where the anti war candidate won anyway in the primary, they won in November. And in every case where Rahm Emanuel succeeded in keeping the anti war candidate out, they lost. So that's who he is. He's a piece of shit. And in fact, his father said some kind of quote because someone asked him, well, gee, with Rahm Emanuel up there, does that mean that Barack Obama is going to be a good defender of Israel? And his father said, yeah, well, he ain't there to sweep the Floor. Is he? All right, so that's who Rahm Emanuel is, Mayor of Chicago. Okay, so that's all I know about his biography, but that's all you need to know. Okay. But anyway, so he gave this big speech in Israel that's essentially supposed to be center left, liberal Democratic Party, you know, desperation, trying to cling on and prevent themselves from being totally swept away by the left over this issue which they are being completely crucified on right now and then written as tough love to the Israelis and where essentially what he's telling them is, listen, I'm your guy, so you listen to me, right? Well, I'm telling you your blank check days are over. The American people are pissed off right now and they're not going to put up with these grand schemes of Greater Israel, the West bank, forget about it. We are doing a, a two state solution because we have to. And I don't know how serious about it he is. Obviously he can't get anywhere near the presidency. Maybe he'll be chief of staff again, but he's, I guess, trying to set the tone for the center left liberals, for the, for the Clintonite Democratic machine of like, what is their new position on Israel, Palestine here?
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Scott Horton
I mean that. But I think he's also just a concerned Zionist. You know, like, if I had that disease, that mental disease, I would probably be saying the same thing. If I was, you know, if I really cared about the future of Israel, that's the message I'd be trying to get across to them, is that, you know, it might be even too, too little to say you're losing the American people. I mean, because, you know, like, like short of a proven Iranian nuclear attack on, you know, Witchita or something, I mean, the people who have turned against Israel on the left and right especially you look at the generational breakdowns, that is not something that's going to change, you know, because a war ends or be this, this is the kind of like deep, visceral, emotional, especially since people have been attacked and forced to defend this, you know, this position in public for which they'll be attacked by people seeing people that they like to listen to be attacked, you know, for, for voicing opinions that, that they themselves hold. That that's how you, that's how you forge views in people that stay with them until they go to the grave. And it's, you know, it's, it's going to be. These aren't, these are not the support for Israel is not subject to sort of a policy change or a shift in tone or anything like that. I mean, you know, I think that a lot of the ships have already. I think that's why they're pushing so hard right now for the merger between, you know, the Israeli Ministry of Defense and the Pentagon, you know, and all of the different things they're trying to put together there, because it's like, it's like in. They're taking on an insurance policy against American public opinion, you know.
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Daryl Cooper
Yeah, yeah. They know that their time is short
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Scott Horton
and like, we can't have, we can't have our relationship with Israel subject to the democratic process, like, because we know how it's going to go. So we have to take it out of that and put it over into this other container, you know.
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Daryl Cooper
Right, yeah. It's insulating Israel against the democratic process and the possibility that aid could get turned off. The American people, with a vote in the Congress could just insist that we're not doing this anymore. You completely embed all their research projects and development projects and everything with the Pentagon. You play the Lockheed game of spreading out Israeli money, Israeli military industrial money in each little congressional district all across the land so that every single congressman, or as many as possible, are blackmailable on. Oh, Congressman, you can't vote against that. That's 300 jobs in your district or whatever it is, as they do. That's clearly what they're doing there is trying to protect themselves from the will of the American people.
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Scott Horton
Yeah. And honestly, I don't, I don't even think they, the whole thing about cutting off the, the official aid package, annual aid package to Israel, I really think is kind of a red herring. It's like they'll, they'll find a way to get that money through one channel or another. I mean, it'll, it'll make its way over there through, you know, some vehicles that don't get accounted for in that way on the federal budget or something like that, they'll figure it out and they'll be able to say, hey, we don't get aid from the United States anymore. And so, I mean, I think that's why you even have like Netanyahu saying, yeah, it's probably a good idea because they understand, you know, but yeah, I mean, if they don't, if they don't do that, then Israel is going to have to, you know, carry out their, their threat to go be buddy buddies just with India and, you know, lean on them as their superpower savior. So they're just not going to have the U.S. yeah.
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Daryl Cooper
Goodbye, Israel, India. You can have them, dude. You can have them. Not worried about that at all. All right, we got more news to cover here, and especially along these lines. But let's do a little bit of business here. Everybody. Guess what? Martyr Maid has a substack. What is the American Century? Part one that just came out today. Darrell Cooper. Very interesting stuff, it looks like.
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Scott Horton
Yeah, so it's just a series of essays and interviews that I'm going to be doing for, I don't know, probably a little while. I mean, it's going to be. It's going to be a long series. We're gonna. It's gonna be thematic rather than, you know, chronological and just go through the history of the American century and American 20th century and, you know, really kind of pick apart the underlying forces that drove events and then get into some of the actual events. And so what I'll do is I'll write essays like this first one here on the emergence of mass society, you know, mass communications, mass democracy, that really, I think sort of is the context in which, you know, the. All the other events of the. Of the 20th century take place. And really kind of everything kind of follows from the emergence of the public as a political actor that, you know, I set the table with this one. I'll be covering a lot of different topics, and so I'll write essays, but then I'm also going to bring in, you know, subject matter experts and enthusiasts on various topics to discuss things in interviews. And I'm open to suggestions, you know, for, for topics to cover, people to talk to about them, etc. And so I'm going to be doing this on the sub stack because I've been leaving my substack people just hanging for too long because I've been just laser focused on this next episode of the World War II series. And I've been kind of hung up on it lately. I'm pushing hard to get it done by the end of this month. But, you know, I need something that I can. That I can do in the meantime that, you know, that I can devote a couple hours a day to and still get some regular content out to the substack people. And I can't do that by picking topics I know nothing about because there's just not enough time to research those and do the World War II series and live my life. And so this is, you know, this is a topic I've thought a lot about, read a lot about, and I can do, you know, something I can put out, you know, a weekly piece doing two or three hours a day and then getting back to the, to the World War II series. So, yeah, I'm excited about it. It's. It's going to be fun. And I encourage everybody who's not already a subscriber to check it out. By the way, I know you got some stuff too, but I forgot to tell you, I'm going to have to buy a couple of those stickers, right? So I went to a new barber recently, like this week, just this week. And I get there and dude has a Rothbard shirt on and a taxation is theft sticker on his little mirror there where you look at your hair. And as I got there, he was like, are you, are you Daryl Cooper? I was like, oh yeah. He's like, oh, he's big fan. Everybody in there is a big fan. And I was like, you must be a Scott Horton guy. He's like, hell yeah, I love Scott Horton. That's how I found you. Etc. So I got to get him a sticker and bring it down there for him next time. Very nice.
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Daryl Cooper
Dude, we got really great stickers, man.liberty stickers.com. everyone else's stickers are not any good. Hey, listen, also, I got a substack. Not that I'm jealous or anything, but check out my substack. I finally published chapters W. Bush and Obama on my substack of my provoked audiobook. They are all the way done there. The Obama chapter is eight and a half hours long. Just Obama, Bush is W. Bush is only like four hours. Something like that. So that's very good. And then check out this Daryl Cooper too. Dude.
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Scott Horton
Blam.
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Daryl Cooper
Apac. The tip of Israel's lobbying spear. A new course at the Scott Horton Academy of Foreign Policy and Freedom, hosted by the great, by the, dare I say heroic, Grant F. Smith, America's foremost chronicler and critic of the American Israel Lobby. The real history of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee. And just look at these chapter titles. Founding of aipac. Zionist activism. Truman, Ike, jfk, lbj, Nixon and Ford. Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama, Trump, Biden. Final thoughts. Oh yeah, dude. The whole dirty, nasty, disgusting history of the Israel Lobby mucking around in the United States of America. Isaiah Kennan and his bastard spawn. The American Israel Public Affairs Committee. And I'm sure the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, its bastard spawn spin off is in there too. And all of these things. And I actually haven't had a chance to consume it all yet because I've been double checking and making sure there are no bad takes left in the two audiobook chapters. I just published publicly. I think they're still. I think they're okay. But then I'm starting this next. I'm knocking this the hell out, man. I can't wait.
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Scott Horton
And, yeah, and I, you know, everybody out there watching or listening to this, like, I. We all love going and listening to Scott Horton tear up Neocons. And we like these courses and stuff. We got to get out there and push this stuff on people who aren't, like, already enthusiasts. You know, I was taught, and why I say this, I was talking to my doctor this week. Great guy, older guy, wonderful guy, smart, really smart, obviously, you know, just. He's. Yeah, he's. He's a doctor. And we were talking about Iran and bro, the things that came out of his mouth, like, I was just. He's like, well, but, you know, I mean, if, you know, Iran, I mean, we do know, right, that their whole plan, their whole reason for existence is to destroy Western civilization, right? And that if they get a bomb, then, you know, we're not going to find out because they tested it. We're going to find out because they lobbied it. Tel Aviv, because they don't care if they die. And I'm like, I don't even know where to start, you know?
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Daryl Cooper
Oh, sorry.
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Scott Horton
And it's just like, I don't even know where to start. And what I, What I need to do, what I'm going to do is I'm just going to send him a link to the. To the right academy courses. And I'm like, please, just. Just go through this and then we can have a conversation. Because this is just ridiculous. Dude. This is an educated man who follows the news and, like, is, you know, he's not, like, listens to podcasts and stuff. You know, he. He's not just some rando, like, Normie who, you know, heard about this, overheard somebody talking about on the subway or something. It's crazy, though.
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Daryl Cooper
Yeah, I know. I. I know a skater. I don't know if he's still bad on things. I still know the guy. He's a good guy. And I remember having a conversation with him in the parking lot at the skate park in, like, 2006, 2007. And he was highly educated in every stupid, idiot, wrong. Iraq war talking point, right? Like, he. He read Jonah Goldberg and Glenn Reynolds, you know, insta pundit every day, and he had the entire case against Saddam Hussein, like, wired, right? But, like, are you kidding? You know what I mean? But, like, man, he was good at that, so.
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Scott Horton
And it's hard because like, sometimes for. For guys like us who, like, I. Or at least myself, like, I find myself sometimes like almost so taken aback that. Because I'm not used to sort of.
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Daryl Cooper
Yeah.
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Scott Horton
You know, like when I'm arguing with somebody that I disagree with on one of these subjects, it's like we start way over here and when someone starts way back here, I'm like, oh my God, I don't even remember how to get back there so that we can start the conversation. Normally there's just so much stuff that's like, kind of doesn't need to be said and is. But yeah, the academy would be great for that. And I'm gonna send him a link actually, as soon as we're done, find the right course and send it.
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Daryl Cooper
And look, I mean, whatever. The books and therefore the courses are all just full of things that piss me off. Right. Like, that's all they are, are just collections of outrages. Those are the things that I can't forget. So those are the things that make it into the book. Right. So.
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Scott Horton
But they're good.
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Daryl Cooper
Like going back over the. The audiobook, I'm like, man, this is really good. So. And same thing, the courses are just based.
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Scott Horton
It really is. You always denigrate your writing. You're like, oh. You're like, oh, I have like a lot of information and cite the sources and stuff, but I'm not any kind of a writer. They're easy to read, which is what a good writer does. Like it, you know, it's not Cormac McCarthy and, you know, non fiction prose, but it's like, it's easy to read. Like, you pick it up, you read a chapter, you don't feel like you have to slog through it, you know, so you should give yourself more credit on that front.
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Daryl Cooper
Oh, thanks. Yeah, I do try to. Because it's so many different things. I do try to do a light touch on each thing and only cover them as much as I absolutely have to. There are only a couple of places in Provoked, for example, I really beat a dead horse to death. Like the NATO promises, the. The Ukrainian Nazis, Russiagate. That's about it. Where I'm like, look, man, this is controversial. So let me really prove my point here, like, and go above and beyond here. Nobody ever made the case about the NATO promises as good as I did because I got all the different things all in one place for you and I didn't know what to leave out. So it's all in there, kind of, you know, comprehensive deal. But then the fact that I'm not a good writer is actually a benefit. Right. It just means that I'm very brief. A lot of these chapters, of these little sub chapters, they don't even end with a conclusion paragraph. They don't even end with, so what did we learn? Right? Like, they don't even have that. They just like end with a quote or something and then just on to the next subject, man. And. Because what was I going to do, go back and add more stuff? It was already a thousand pages long. So anyway, so, yeah, it should be, should be brief enough to, to get through. I'm glad you liked it and you were supposed to write it, so especially I'm glad you like the way I did it compared to what you had in mind. Also, I wanted to bring this up because I still get asked this a lot. People interview me a lot and they ask me about this fourth dimensional chess stuff and how this is all about Trump's brilliant plan to monopolize all the world's oil and all of this. Well, here is his Treasury Secretary saying, look, the Chinese are the only ones who are getting Iranian oil at this point. Everybody else on earth is so afraid that America is going to turn the sanctions back on that they don't want to do anything. They don't want to move a muscle. So they, they are getting ships out of the Gulf, but that was, you know, those are ships coming from Kuwait and Bahrain and, and Saudi and wherever. So. But Iranian oil, Iran, or, sorry, China is the only country that's buying it from Iran at this point. So again, like we were talking about last time, America's empire in the Middle east, we're just securing, we're, we're running this errand. And look, I suppose there's a possibility that Netanyahu or his friends, like, convinced Trump that, like, yeah, and this is going to give us the. Against China somehow or whatever, you know what I mean? But this is how it's played out. Remember just a couple of weeks into the war, he was demanding that China come help and open the straight of Hormuz for us. Do it. And when he went to Beijing, he reportedly asked Chairman Xi to ask Iran to please open the straight, and he told him no. And then, so now this whole thing, China is the only one getting Iranian oil and they're, and they're buying it at a discount.
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Scott Horton
Yeah, yeah. I mean, the only people I really, I hear that argument from are people who want there to be any other, any answer other than Israel dragged us into this war. Like, this is Their sort of, this is their out, this is their sort of, you know, their escape route from that. And I mean, yeah, look, I mean, I guess from a strategic standpoint, if you control a choke point or control natural resources, then that's strategically helpful in many ways. Sure, you could, you could make that argument. But the idea that, you know, we went to war because of that is obviously silly. You know, I, I did see that we, we are using, and this is, I think one of the reasons that Iran lost patience with the Memorandum of understanding is that what we did is we said, okay, we're going to lift sanctions, you know, temporarily, we're going to do this, we're going to do that. And then we just behind the scenes used massive diplomatic pressure to just tell everybody, you better not buy that, you better not. And China was the only one that told us to piss off. And we probably didn't even try it with them. But like, once, you know, when that's the case, when Iran's calling, you know, people who should be their customers, countries that should be their customers, and they're saying, oh, we can't do it, sorry, we just, you know, met with the ambassador in the US we just can't. And all the ships end up going over to China. As I saw, I saw somebody talking about a bunch of Iranian ships were like, were just oil ships, were moored off of China full or anchored off of China full of oil still. And they were saying, yeah, China doesn't want their oil. It's like, no, it's just that China's taking all of it. And so it's a lot and it takes time to process and like offload. But yeah, it's just a question of like, whether, whether we have any intention of really being serious about this, you know, if we have any intention of trying to reach, you know, reach an arrangement that allows us to move past this five decade long sort of impasse that the two countries have been at. And so I don't think, as long as Trump is president, I don't really think that that's going to be the case. I think that Trump is entirely focused on, you know, he's interested in public perception and that is it. I don't think he cares about anything else in public perception, specifically of himself. And, and so I think he's perfectly content to sort of just drag this out. Occasional tit for tats. Okay, we're back to the table. Okay, now we hit them, they hit us. Now we're back to the table for two and a half Years until it's somebody else's problem, you know, and if he's still alive, he can go on Fox News and say, oh, if I was still president, by God, you know, this war would have ended, you know, the day I was inaugurated in 2029. Like, it's just. That's all I think he cares about, man.
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Daryl Cooper
It. God, I hate hearing you say that because it sounds impossible. But then I have immediate flashbacks to Joe Biden and his people. Like, well, we got to make sure they're like, saying, In 22, we got to make sure that the war continues at least through the election of 24, so that we can get Biden re
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Scott Horton
elected on the war.
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Daryl Cooper
God dang, dude, you. You're gonna drag this thing out. How long now? You know what I mean? Now here we stick. Still are fighting that one. I wanted to mention this too, dude. I owe this guy an email back. I guess I mentioned this on. It must have been the Rogan show was the one that got me a response from the guy about. Guy emailed me in good faith saying he didn't buy it about this school. And I provided him some evidence and reason to believe about the American strike on the school. But after that, I looked further and I remembered better what I was talking about that I had screwed up and I went and found it and I never did email the guy back. I should find him and email him. Because the two best pieces of evidence right away, video and visual wise, for your own eyeballs edification here, okay, is that we have from the New York Times. We have overhead footage of this IRGC base, which this school building, everyone agrees used to be part of this base. Then they built a wall between this building and the base and made it a school. But like 10 years ago or something. A long time ago. But they have New York Times published pictures of every single building in this compound is hit by with the exact same signature strike. They all got hit by Tomahawk missiles. Okay? Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam. And including the school 2. They all have virtually the exact same pattern of damage to them all. Then it's the Washington Post that has a still photograph of what's clearly a Tomahawk cruise missile hitting not the school, but another one of those buildings on that base. Okay, so this is like. Your Honor, I don't have a conviction maybe, but I have probable cause at this hearing to hold this thing over for trial here. Okay, we have. Right, we have a still photo of a Tomahawk hitting an adjacent building. We have the school Hit. And we have overhead footage of all these buildings seem to have been hit in the exact same way. Right. So like, that's good enough right there. That's pretty provosive right there. Then we have official sources, although unnamed, but Pentagon sources, as well as White House sources, meaning either, you know, Trump's direct staff or the National Security Council sources told the New York Times that it was a DIA mistake, a targeting mistake by dia. So, and they were saying their, our preliminary, our preliminary investigation says, yes, it was us, but it was an accident. Sorry about that. Actually not sorry about that, but it was an accident based on bad targeting data. Defense Intelligence Agency's responsibility. Okay, that was what they told the New York Times. Now cnn, and I know it's cnn, and look, what can I say? They completely destroyed their credibility forever with their Russiagate hoax. And with, you know, so much of the, the absolute insanity that they push, they turn themselves into MSNBC over the last, you know, what, 10 years and completely disgrace themselves. They had that one great story about Al Qaeda in Yemen driving around in American armored personnel carriers, but other than that, they've just got nothing to show for themselves. So take it for what it's worth, as far as the source, but this is exclusive. US Commanders bypassed warnings about outdated intelligence ahead of the strike that hit the school. So what the story says is that they were warned that we should not go ahead with this stuff until we go back and double check it all because this stuff hasn't been reviewed in a long time. And then they just said, nah, forget it, it'll be fine.
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Scott Horton
You know, which is amazing, by the way, that we spent months building up our forces in the region and nobody went back and double checked the target deck. That's been there for a year. That's just insane. But par for the course, I guess.
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Daryl Cooper
And it says here that they knew immediately what had happened there and whatever.
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Scott Horton
Yeah, this is like, I, I, I, I'm glad that the guy who wrote you, you know, was, was coming to you in good faith and everything. I can tell you, for an absolute fact from people that I, the same people that I know at the Pentagon, we know it was us. Nobody doubts it was us. The people inside know it was us. The question is, who's responsible? Was this information that was passed to us by Israel, was it the dia? Did they not? Like these are the debates that are being had and the things that are being investigated, the question of whether or not it was us. I mean, you know, I remember when, when it was still kind of unclear I mean I, you know, you have obviously like this, just the, the circumstances at the time, right? It's like if I do a drive by shooting on your house and kill you and your wife and your daughter's in the bed and I say, well, yeah, but that was actually Scott went in her bedroom and shot her in the head. Like, I didn't actually do that one. Be like, you probably did that one. You know, it's kind of ridiculous. Like, like just second of all, like this was in the initial set of strikes before Iran started launching back drones or cruise missiles of their own. And you know, a stray anti aircraft missile, you know, that's trying to shoot down something and it's not going to kill 160 girls, not going to blow up an area that big. Those missiles are, they're fragmentation missiles that are meant to punch holes in airframes, you know, of aircraft and missiles. They're not high explosive sort of large impact missiles that are going to kill that many people. And so it's just, it's just ridiculous. It was obviously a cruise missile. The picture was obviously a Tomahawk missile. As soon as I've seen a lot of Tomahawk missiles, I've been very up close with them, I've seen them launched a million times. It was obviously a Tomahawk missile and it was definitely the case. The other thing is they were trying to say it was like a, you know, it was a stray or this or that thing is like those things have multiple redundant navigation Systems. Like we 100% were trying to hit that building.
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Daryl Cooper
Right.
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Scott Horton
The question is, you know, whether we knew it was in there or whatever. But you know, at a certain point it's like, who care? Like that doesn't really affect my opinion that, I mean, yeah, it would be worse if we did actively try to go kill a bunch of little girls. But at the same time it's like if I do that drive by on your house and be like, oh, I was just trying to hit Scott, I wasn't trying to hit your daughter. It's like, I don't really care, you know what I mean?
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Daryl Cooper
Yeah, it's still criminally negligent homicide either way. And yeah, I agree, there's no, there's no way they missed. They were trying to hit that building. It's just they were not being careful about what was, what that building was and who was in there. And you know, they did a double tap on it too. And the families came to pick up.
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Scott Horton
Well, because all. Yeah, they did. Yeah.
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Daryl Cooper
And look, I Said before it was Adam Johnson, the leftist media critic who pointed out that the, the death toll, at least I think they revised it down slightly to like 150 or whatever. Originally it was like 168, 160, like that. So you include the mystery leg in Oklahoma City. That's the Oklahoma City bombing death toll right there.
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Scott Horton
Yeah.
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Daryl Cooper
Only instead of 20 children, the entire building, virtually, you know, a few teachers, but otherwise virtually the entire building children and virtually all of them girls. And, and then, you know, it's funny because I didn't put this together immediately, but this was obviously part of what we were talking about with the, this was the people of Iran were supposed to rise up and take the opportunity with the bombing campaign to overthrow their government. And, and all it did was lead to the rally around the flag effect where as we've seen this week, millions, literally millions of people came out in the streets for the funeral for the AOLA comedy. And I don't know if you saw this, they took his body to Naja in Iraq and millions came out for him there too. Well, this is the rally round the flag effect. To quote Bill Clinton, the Oklahoma City bombing saved my presidency.
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Scott Horton
How do you not do that, do that in an Iranian accent now you're
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Daryl Cooper
an IRGC commander, couldn't even do the Bill Clinton accent. I hate that son of so much. But that was what he said. The Oklahoma City bombing saved my presidency. He said that on Air Force One right after the election, November of 1996. He said the people rallied around the country and me as its leader against the forces of the darkness of the terrible right wing radicalism. And the thing, of course, of course they did. In fact, that was what the terrorists were counting on, McVeigh and his Neo Nazi buddies. But what they hoped was that the FBI would then go launch massive crackdowns against Nazis and militias across the country and that would force them to fight back and bring on a cataclysm right to the action is in the reaction of the opposition. But instead, because he killed so many children, all the militia guys around the country, even the Nazis were like, forget you, dude, we don't want anything to do with that. And so, and, and the FBI, I don't know, for whatever combination of reasons, did not go and do mass raids against various armed groups. Right. They like call, probably called them up and told them, you guys don't want any trouble with us. Right. And they were like, right. And that was the end of that. It really destroyed the militia movement at that time, actually overnight, rather than leading to the reaction. But that was what he was hoping would happen would be that it would make everything worse for everyone and leading to, you know, supposedly the victory of, of his side in the end. But anyway, yeah, that's what happens when you bomb a school full of little kids. People get mad at you. Not mad at their leadership who got them into this mess. Right. Shocker. By the way, it ain't just the American people that Netanyahu has been lying to about Iran's nuclear program. And I thought this was funny. This came out at Alistair Crook's website this week. Netanyahu actually claimed in an interview. And you see, he's being sly here. Anyway, he, it's, he's avoiding an outright lie if you're charitable to him at all. In an ironical type of a sense, what he said was that Iran had nuclear weapons in their grasp or like in their hands, which is not exactly saying they already had one. Right. It's saying that they were on the cusp or they almost did or whatever. But then he got in huge trouble politically in Israel. And Gotti Eisenkot, the former chief of the IDF, Naftali Bennett, the cause of September 11 and once in future prime minister of Israel, and a whole bunch of other important politicians and media, people came out and called him out for it and said, this is just an outright lie that Iran had nuclear weapons or that they were making nuclear weapons. And at some point, Daryl Cooper, there's a line where when an Israeli prime minister lies, people just can't stand for it anymore. Like, look, man, stop telling me things that I know for fact are not true, okay? Kind of bothers me, you know, I
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Scott Horton
mean, they have more dignity than a lot of the people I know who are still supporting Trump. Honestly, like, I would just. It drives me crazy when I see people. I'm like, I understand you have a side. I understand you have, like a perspective, but you're a human being, right? You. You don't like being manipulated, you don't like being lied to. You know, if somebody walks up and tells you a lie straight to your face, like, you know, you're supposed to have a visceral reaction against that. You're supposed to get angry. And for people to just keep swallowing it is so gross. I guess Israelis, you know, they, they take themselves a little more seriously than a lot of people I know.
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Daryl Cooper
Tough man. And especially after this one, too. I mean, what are you going to do about this? Daryl Cooper, Trump says Syria's President Abu Sharah, they're calling him now. Respected by everyone.
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Scott Horton
Yeah. Not respected by Trump, though. Did you see that clip where Jelani's sitting there like a good little boy, nice and quiet? And Trump's bragging about how he gave Golan to the Israelis. Oh, look at what I did for them. I gave them Golan Heights. Nobody else would do that. And Alshar is just sitting there saying nothing because, I mean, what's he gonna say? But it's like, geez, man, that is just like. And I'll bet Trump. Trump is so ignorant to these things, he probably doesn't even know that. That's the equivalent of just grabbing him on camera and rubbing his nose in his own piss on the carpet or something. But, I mean, it was. It was sad to watch. And I. You know, I'm talking about a Al Qaeda and ISIS commander, and I was still feeling bad for him. Yeah.
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Daryl Cooper
Why do they call him J?
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Scott Horton
Yeah, exactly. Right? Yeah. Yeah. That's where his family is from.
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Daryl Cooper
Oh, God. So look, man, the ironies, they. They just compile and pile on top of each other. So here these two kooks are loving each other. In this picture, Trump, as we talked about, I guess, last week or the week before, Trump was proposing maybe we'll send Syria in to take care of Hezbollah for the Israelis. Since the Israelis can't seem to kill the Hezbollah guy without taking down an entire apartment building, we can rely on the superior morality of Al Qaeda compared to the most moral army in the world. But then. So my problem is, man, is I carry these grudges, and I'm so.
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Scott Horton
Dude, Clear your notifications. What the hell?
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Daryl Cooper
What happened?
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Scott Horton
Clear your notifications. What the hell, man?
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Daryl Cooper
I'm not looking at my notifications. You leave me alone, dude. I'm not looking at those. Rubio. This guy Rubio, Secretary of State, Advisor to the President for National Security affairs, he says today, POTUS informed Congress of his intent to rescind Syria's designation as a state sponsor of terrorism. You know, now that the country's been taken over by Al Qaeda, I was going to get through that without laughing, but I couldn't get through it without laughing. I'm sorry, everyone. This historic step opens new possibilities for economic opportunity and recovery, giving the Syrian people a chance at greatness. And so then my problem is, as I says, nope, this is treason. See, because this is from. This is from Jelani's interview with PBS Frontline, as evidenced in the link provided at the bottom, PBS Frontline interview with Abu Muhammad Al Jelani. And here they asked, say, man, when did you go to Iraq. He says, well, I went to Baghdad right before the war broke out. And then when the war broke out, I went to Ramadi, then I went to Baghdad, then I went to Syria, then I went back to Iraq and I fought in Mosul. And there I was arrested and put in prison in Abu Ghraib, then Camp Buka, and then Cropper in the Baghdad airport. And then the Americans handed me to the Iraqis, and. Meaning the Shiite regime, which held him for a while, and then they let him go. And then the interviewer says, well, you told me the other day you never met Abu Musab al Zarqawi. Like, you see how the interviewer is working so hard to rehabilitate this guy.
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Scott Horton
You.
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Daryl Cooper
You told me the other day you never met Zar Cowi. Isn't that right? You can look at Wikipedia, and it says that you were close to Zarawi. And then J says, well, most of the information on the Internet is false. It has no more than 2 to 3% truth to it. No, I didn't meet Zarqawi. Zarqawi was mostly present in Fallujah and Ramadi and around this region. And I was in Mosul during that time. I was a regular soldier. I wasn't involved in any military, in any major operations that I would meet al Zarqawi. So you see what he's saying there? He's not saying, look, man, Zarqawi and his guys were doing something totally different than me. He's saying, I was just a foot soldier. He was the boss. I was in Ramadi, he or I was in Mosul, he was in Fallujah. So our path didn't cross. So, like, you know, don't get carried away. But then he says, I wasn't involved in any major operations that I would meet al Zarqawi. Zarqawi had a tight security protocol surrounding him. It wasn't an open battle warfare. It was more of a security battle, I. E. Insurgency, guerrilla warfare. So people were in hiding. They weren't meeting each other, as in happening. As is happening here now. So were you friends with Zarqawi? No, because we kept ourselves separate for operational security. See? And then the guy says, well, but did you work under his command? Was he a leader of the insurgency that you were fighting with? And Jelani replied, yes, as a general commander. He was the general commander after he pledged allegiance to Al Qaeda. Oh, that was when you broke with him? No, after he pledged allegiance to Al Qaeda, many of the Iraqi factions joined Abu Musab al Zarqawi. And I was part of these factions that joined him after he declared his.
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Scott Horton
Reminds me of. It reminds me of that part in the war in Gladiator where the guy's like. I didn't say I knew him. I said he touched me on the shoulder once. Yeah, yeah.
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Daryl Cooper
I didn't say I knew him. I said he was the high commander whose every whim I lived to serve according to my blood oath. Not that he would ever reduce himself to. To be on my level. He was the general. I was a private, you know, that was his answer. Yes, of course. He was my commander. The commander of Al Qaeda in Iraq, which, after they killed Zarqawi in the summer, would have been July of 2006. Or was it June? I think it was July 2006. They renamed it the Islamic State of Iraq. And that's the same group that later isis. He just called his faction Al Nusra. But he was sent from Iraq to Syria to found the Al Nusra front by Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi and Ayman Al Zawahiri. And when there was a split between Al Baghdadi and Jelani, Zawahiri anointed Jelani and took Jelani's side. Now, you might say Baghdadi was the more violent of the insane apocalyptic killers with his insane caliphate. But I would say to you that Zarawi, pardon me, Zawahiri is the one who knocked down the towers in New York City. And so that makes him the more moderate guy because he favored J over Baghdadi. No, I don't think so. J took his blood oath to Osama bin Laden and Zarawi. And look what he says here. After Zarqawi pledged his loyalty to bin Laden, that's when I joined him. He's loyal to the butchers of New York City. And that's America's guy in Syria now. And why? There's only one reason why, Derek Cooper. You already know the answer, man. Zionism. Because Zionism necessitates that America hates the Shiites more even than the guys that hit the Pentagon. And no, it wasn't a missile. It was Flight 77, piloted by a couple of guys who'd been handled by the CIA and Saudi intelligence services in the lead up to the attack. These are our guys as long as they're killing Serbs and Russians and Shiites. Even if. Even when they kill our guys in the process. Even though during Iraq War two, they were the vanguard of the Sunni based insurgency that killed 4,000 out of the 4,500American soldiers and marines that died in that war. Whatever man Israel hates has Baltimore couple get it straight.
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Scott Horton
Yeah, I was, you know, I was talking to a buddy of mine who is kind of just getting informed on this stuff, and he, you know, he brought up that, you know, it's crazy that a decade after 9, 11, we're essentially helping, fighting alongside, you know, Al Qaeda in Syria. And it's like. Yeah, I mean, it seems crazy if you're just walking into this space, for sure. But then if, you know, if you read Scott Horton's work and I have given him all your books, you know, you. You realize that Al Qaeda, that, like that. That period from 2001 until. Until, I guess, the Syrian war, I mean, there were some other things still going on in southern Russia and stuff, but that was really just like this brief period where we had a divorce for public relations, you know, reasons with Al Qaeda. We were friends with them before, we're friends with them now. You know, maybe not friends, whatever. I'm sure we wouldn't have him over for dinner. Trump Club probably would have, you know, Jelani over for dinner. But allies, yeah, strategic allies that work together and, you know, they've been a cat's paw for us, and we've helped them achieve some of their goals. And plus, they're just, you know, they're. They're a very. They're a very useful tool in the way that, you know, by a strategy that goes all the way back to when the British were still running the region. You know, when you go back to the 1920s and the British were looking around in Palestine, Transjordan, and saying, we've got a problem with all of these. You know, the Arabs are starting to get really restive about our presence and especially about the belligerence of these Zionists that are coming in here. And one of the things that they did was they, you know, they looked at the situation and saw that the. The Palestinian Christians who were mostly in the cities, mostly engaged in commercial activity, you know, commerce and things like that, they were sort of, I guess you would say, like, more just socially and. And economically developed than the Muslim population was, you know, in general. And so they were taking the lead on opposition to the British, you know, to organizing the opposition to the British presence and. And the Zionist presence that was coming in. And so what they did was they started actively promoting, you know, hardcore Islamist types because they knew that that was going to alienate and push the Christians out of the movement and give them an excuse if they ever Needed one to go in there and regulate, you know, because look at these crazy Muslims. And so, like, this is something that's happened again and again and again. Israel's used it, you know, we've certainly used it. It's very, very convenient for us. Like, they'll do our bidding. And if they ever get too far out of control, we have every excuse in the world, you know, to say, these are the bad guys and we're going to be the good guys and go get them. You know, it's been a. It's. It's been a long, long game. And, you know, it's like what it does now. I mean, what it really does. During the Cold War, they were really useful just because our, you know, our big concern then was not Islamic theocracies or something, it was the Pan Arabis, you know, it was the secular dictatorships in Egypt and these other places, all of which have been destroyed now, by the way, all of them. And, you know, the. The hardcore Islamist types, you know, they weren't friends with Nasser. Nasser put them in jail. He killed them. You know, same with like, the guys got in Egypt now. But. And so they were very useful because they prevent, you know, people who are radicals like that. They prevent unity. And this is the case in, like, any movement or any thing when you're trying to resist. It's actually really great for the. For the oppressor, for the one who. For the aggressor, if the most radical crazy exclusivist elements get control of the resistance, because it just narrows their. Their appeal so much that, you know, they can't really ever mount anything serious.
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Daryl Cooper
Yeah. In fact, that was one of the propaganda lines against Assad, that it was Assad that was behind ISIS to make the rest of the insurgents. Dude, you wish.
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Scott Horton
But no, it was insane to, like, see something like that said on tv. And it's like, I know you know you're lying, but, man, like, I. You. Like, there's always been propaganda on tv, on the news and whatever, but you couldn't have gone on like, Charlie Rose and said something like that. I mean, like, you just. People had enough and, you know, they just realized, like, this is gonna make me look really, really stupid, and I can't let this pass without saying something about it. But there are just no standards anymore.
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Daryl Cooper
Yeah, and Michael Weiss and the Daily Beast, boy, were they on it, man, back then. All right, now it's time for the Scott Horton flavored coffee super chat questions for Daryl Cooper part of the show. All you do is you go to Scott Horton.org Coffee I don't know about you Daryl Cooper, but when I wake up in the morning I got one thing on my mind. Coffee. I gotta brew coffee and I gotta sit around and I gotta wait for it to be done and then I can drink it. That's my only priority. And so yes, it's very good. And then right around 2, I start feeling like taking a siesta. And then you know what I do? I march down there and I make more coffee and I drink it and it's so tasty. You know, it's part Ethiopian, part Sumatran Scott Horton show flavored coffee and, and I like it and it's free to me as long as everybody else keeps buying it. So go to scott horton.org coffee and get you some coffee and then I'll get a little bit of money and share it with Daryl world. All right, now let's do some super chatters. Dude, you got some chatters in here for you. Should we start at the top? Start at the bottom. You go ahead.
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Scott Horton
You know me. All right, let me see here.
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Daryl Cooper
Yeah, what do we got?
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Scott Horton
We'll just start at the top. Thoughts on Trump talking about showing Ukraine how to make Patriot missiles by the way, Smith course is amazing. We need to convince Massey to take it so he can really take them on.
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Daryl Cooper
Oh great. That's.
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Scott Horton
I mean look, it's not. The Patriot missile system is not especially. The missiles themselves are, are not at such a high level of secrecy that it would be, you know, it would be that far out of sort of the norm I guess for us to allow the Ukrainians to, to produce them themselves. Like most of the super top secret stuff is the computer program and the things that actually run the combats is the weapon system. The missiles themselves, if they wanted to start, you know, I imagine we would probably do something like allow them to manufacture most of it, but we would send them some of the computer circuit boards and stuff or we would upload the firmware on a, on a secure channel. There are certain things we'd probably want to keep from them, but it's not any kind of a game changer. I mean if Russia realized that they were doing that, they'd blow those factories up. They might blow them up wherever they are now, you know, even outside of Ukraine.
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Daryl Cooper
How long? Do you think? Let's just say that there's some spot in the Carpathia mountains over there on the western border where they could hide it pretty good and the Russians couldn't reach it. How long would it take to spin up a factory like that to the point where you're actually turning things out,
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Scott Horton
man, I mean, we would have to, we would have to do it. We would have to like, send people over there and, and man it up and train the people. I mean, they, they, they wouldn't be able to do it in the context of a war like this. And you know, look, the, the air defense, you know, systems have, they're not, they're not any kind of a game changer. We've seen this in Iran. It's definitely true in Ukraine. You know, them being able to pump out some more Patriot missile batteries that can miss incoming Russian cruise missiles or, you know, is not going to make a big difference. And so is. There's a lot of. We can talk about this next week. But I mean, there's, there's a lot of propaganda out there about what's going on in Ukraine right now that is just, you know, if you follow channels that, that, that translate Ukrainian media and comments from Ukrainian leaders over their military form, some of them former, they, they understand the reality of the situation is that they're pissing Russia, Russia off by hitting targets. You know, in Russia, they're making things more difficult than the Russians would like them to be. But the Russians continue to gradually advance and take strategic ground. That's what's been happening. It's what's still happening. You know, Russia took the southernmost, the southernmost city of the four cities that kind of formed the Ukrainian fortress line that they've spent at this point, you know, 10 years building. And, and that was a, you know, it's not something that heralds the immediate end of the war, but it's a major blow. You know, it make. It opens up huge areas of the southern part of the country to Russian operations that are, are more or less undefended. I mean, like, you know, there's, there's still some, you know, they, they, they've got some backup lines there, but no kind of like fortress line. Like they just pushed through. So we just seem, we. And the people who run that government over there, you know, really just seem intent on, you know, fulfilling the sort of. The thing that was almost said as a sick joke at the beginning of this, you know, they're ready to fight to the last Ukrainian. And it's.
- [64:40]
Daryl Cooper
Oh, hey, I'm glad you mentioned that because guess what, there's a new book coming out here. Let me pull this up, man, because it's, it goes along just right there with what you said. Amazon and then Aaron Mate. And because what it is, is he's got a new book coming out, man. And it is. Here it is. Check it out, dude. This is the book that I was terrified that Aaron was going to publish before I could get provoked. Done. I thought about him every day for two years. Oh, my God. Aaron Mate's book is going to come out before mine. Oh, my God. Their Blood, Our Bullets, the Hidden Story of the US Russia War for Ukraine by Aaron Mate. And then it's or books put out a thing the other day. It's got a heavy emphasis on Russiagate, which, of course, he was a trailblazer in debunking the Russia Gate hoax. He's one of the best investigative journalists in America today, if you ask me. A really great guy. And. And so, yeah, well, as it says here, Washington, cynical foreign policy did not just detonate peace in Europe, but also deranged politics at home. Controversies around Russian Ukraine played a pivotal role in three consecutive US Presidential campaigns, driving the national hysteria known as Russiagate, as well as the first impeachment of Donald Trump. So how the Russia Ukraine conflict came to be and how brutal proxy war with existential stakes for humanity can finally be resolved. So I can't wait to read that, dude. And how many pages does it say how many pages gonna be? 450 pages.
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Scott Horton
So rookie numbers.
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Daryl Cooper
Yeah. You know, he must have had a good editor. I refuse to let my editor edit my book. He just fixed my typos and stuff. He's like, you want to cut this out? No.
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Scott Horton
Okay. What is.
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Daryl Cooper
Yes.
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Scott Horton
Your favorite trick to do on vert?
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Daryl Cooper
Oh, was my favorite trick to do on vert.
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Scott Horton
Yeah, I'm talking to me.
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Daryl Cooper
Well, the. The best thing I ever did on vert was a backside lip slide. Like a perfect Chris Miller hall ass all the way across. Backside air on the other side, backside lip lipslide. And I only did that once. I pulled a few backside lip slides on vert, but the original ones were all, like, wheels on the deck and kind of come in slow and what. But, like, I did one perfect, like, eat your heart out, Chris Miller. You know, awesome backside lip slide over right now, if I'm lucky, if people grind a fakie, maybe backside air lean detail. My bag of tricks is getting light.
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Scott Horton
Yeah, well, the consequences of wiping out are getting more and more serious as you get older. I've definitely found that out.
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Daryl Cooper
Yeah, I got lean to tails, but they're only, like, one foot tall.
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Scott Horton
Dude, I. I found that out like, in jiu jitsu, where I. I crossed this point where, you know, like when I was 35, I could confidently say that I could kick my 25 year old self's ass. Like I could do it. Like my 25 year old self might have been like in a little better shape, a little, you know, more athletic, whatever. But I had some experience on him. I knew a lot more at this point my 25 year old self would destroy me. Just kick my ass without even breaking a sweat. And I go out there sometimes, dude, and like I'll go to the jiu Jitsu gym and there'll be some like, you know, they'll be like a 19 year old Asian kid who's 150 pounds, like 30, 40 pounds lighter than me. It is just all over the place. And I'm like, oh my God, like somebody grabbed this guy and then I find out he's like a state champion high school wrestler or something. I'm like, all right, I just, I need, I need a place. You know how they. Have you ever seen that gym Curves? That's like only for women. It's like a, it's like a 24 Hour Fitness or whatever kind of thing. But it's just for women. They need one of those for like just people over 40, like for Jiu jitsu, Just all old guys kind of bumming around trying not to hurt each other because it's brutal going with these kids, man.
- [68:32]
Daryl Cooper
Well, so we got that for skateboard ramps. If you skate the big ramp, then yeah, I hope you like having all your peers in their 50s. We're some old ass dudes. But that's the best thing about skateboarding is I literally know dudes that I've known since the 1980s, since 1986, 1988. You know, know my whole life long. Dude, dude.
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Scott Horton
Bros.
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Daryl Cooper
In fact, say Thursday night, I might go skateboard after this. Dude, I think they're out.
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Scott Horton
Well, let's wrap these questions up, get through these questions and get you out of here then because I got some. I gotta go water some trees. Which sounds a lot easier than it actually is because it involves carrying five gallon buckets full of water, you know. Half an acre my ass.
- [69:13]
Daryl Cooper
Go skate. Vert at day three at night might be a little bit harder than it sounds.
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Scott Horton
Josh Boycat. He asks if I have read books named A Fortunate Life by Albert Facey and To Brook by Peter Fitzsimmons. No, I have not. But I wrote them down and I will order them and check them out after we are done here. Scott, do you have a Waco breakdown from your readings? In the Academy or past interview. Does he have a Waco breakdown?
- [69:42]
Daryl Cooper
Yes, I do. I do have a thing on Waco. Not for the Academy because I already did it. Three years ago I did a 13 hour long podcast with me and interviewing the best producer, Dan Gifford, who produced the best documentary on Waco, the Rules of Engagement, and with the author of the best book on Waco, David Hardy, who wrote this is not an Assault. And I sat down with the two of them. I went out to LA and we all sat down for three days and recorded all about every aspect of the Waco massacre. And then I edited down and it started out 16 in 19 hours, something like that. I got it down to about 13 and published that. So you can just find that if you just search my name in Waco. I also gave a speech about it at Pork Fest. If you want the short version. I gave a speech about it at Pork Fest a couple of years back. That'll get you caught up.
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Scott Horton
Yeah, and don't do the short version, do the long podcast. I listened to it when you first released it and it seemed like, you know, at first sounds like it's. Oh, man, that's like really long and that's a lot of sort of. It's not repetitive at all. It will really break it. Like, I listened to it over the course of about three or four days and it was great. So I highly recommend. Just go find that.
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Daryl Cooper
Cool. Thanks, man. Yeah, that's good. Okay, cool, man. I don't know. We got any other big ones on here?
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Scott Horton
Well, we got one that. The easy answer for me is no. Maybe you have a different one. Nanothermite. Do you guys know much about it in the history of its use? Very interesting. Sounds interesting, but no.
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Daryl Cooper
Well, I know that. I know that there was a giant German gun that they could not destroy with bombs, so they sent in guys on foot to destroy it with thermite. It just essentially burns really hot and can melt through steel and stuff like that. So there are a lot of conspiracy kooks who say that they use thermite to bring down the towers, which is a bunch of crap. They used airliners to bring down the towers, dude. But anyway, boy, that's going to get me in a bunch of trouble. Being reasonable. And pressure washing is greater than caffeine. Well, that's true, but you can do coffee while you're doing other things. You really can only pressure wash so much. And who can afford the water bill around here? Dr. Pepper Fund. Thank you, JDA 2001 for the Dr. Pepper Fund will be spent appropriately.
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Scott Horton
JMB. I'll have to. We'll have to talk about that offline somewhere. That's a great question. It's a very interesting question that you asked. But he says sincere question. How do you take the Bible seriously and also not drift into a level of deep fundamentalism? That's a fascinating question that I'd love to talk about. I don't know if provoked is necessarily the place for it, but is a
- [72:19]
Daryl Cooper
good place for it, man.
- [72:20]
Scott Horton
Yeah. Next week and ask that question earlier on and I will. I will address it. I'll put that on the list for next week.
- [72:27]
Daryl Cooper
Yeah. And I'll stay out of it because I don't want to be a dick.
- [72:31]
Scott Horton
All right.
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Daryl Cooper
See you guys. This has been Provoked with Daryl Cooper and Scott Horton. Be sure to like and subscribe to help us beat the propaganda algorithm. Go follow at Provoked underscore show on X and YouTube and tune in next time for more Provoked.