"We bring our patterns with us wherever we go, into every relationship, and we necessarily and inevitably bring them into the therapy relationship or the psychoanalytic relationship, because that's a relationship too. It's not a matter of choice. It simply happens. It happens everywhere. The therapist doesn't do anything to make it happen. This is the human condition. We bring our patterns. The thing that makes psychotherapy, psychotherapy, and not just another relationship, is that we do something different. What we do that's different is, instead of just repeating our same old patterns with a new person, we create the conditions where it becomes possible to notice the patterns, to recognize them, to put words to them, and understand them and discuss them. Out of that experience and that understanding comes the freedom to do things differently, to not have to repeat the same patterns. I always make a point, is that true for everyone? Does everybody need therapy? Well, everybody repeats earlier characteristic patterns. For some people, those patterns allow you to live a satisfying and rewarding life, with pleasure and connection and meaning and intimacy. So if that's the case, you're still repeating early patterns, but that's what it means to be human. However, some people are living out patterns that cause distress or limitation, that get in the way of living the life they could lead, and that's what we work with in psychotherapy and psychoanalysis."

Episode Description: We begin our conversation on the importance of communicating our basic concepts in jargon-free language. Jonathan shares with us the limitations he finds in academic psychology, where analytic ideas are meaningfully misunderstood. We work our way through his paper discussing 'unconscious mental life', the 'mind in conflict', 'disavowal' (instead of 'repression') and 'psychic continuity' (instead of 'psychic determinism') to name but a few of the topics we cover. We recognize the analytic opportunity to discover the ways that we live in the childhood 'then' as opposed to the novel 'now'. Jonathan presents clinical material to demonstrate these concepts, including his own 'disavowal' as he began his analysis. We close with an appreciation of the importance of one's own affective discovery of these otherwise unconscious forces. I also note Jonathan's passion and clarity about our work.

Our Guest: Jonathan Shedler, PhD is an author, consultant, and teacher. His article The Efficacy of Psychodynamic Psychotherapy helped establish psychoanalytic therapy as an evidence-based treatment. He's the author of over 100 scholarly articles, creator of the Shedler-Westen Assessment Procedure (SWAP) for personality diagnosis and case formulation, and co-author of the Psychodynamic Diagnostic Manual. He is Clinical Professor of Psychiatry at UCSF and a Training and Supervising Analyst at the San Francisco Center for Psychoanalysis. Follow Jonathan at: https://jonathanshedler.substack.com/.