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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon on the Secret to Longevity: Creatine, Muscle, and Women's Health | Part 2
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
If we know that women seem to have lower levels of creatine in the brain and that they are very responsive to creatine and it improves mood and memory, that's extraordinary.
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Mari Llewellyn
This is the Pursuit of Wellness podcast and I'm your host, Mari Llewellyn. What is up, guys? Welcome back to the show. Today we have Dr. Gabrielle Lyon back for pot two. I mean, it may even be part three because she came on stage at the event that I threw, but she's incredible. She is a top favorite guest of this show, one of my favorite people, my personal doctor who has gotten me through so much. So I'm so happy to have her back on today. She is here to share insights on muscle health, hormone balance, and optimal nutrition strategies. We talk about my acne journey and.
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Greg
The role of h. Pylori, which Dr.
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Mari Llewellyn
Lyon actually helped diagnose and when antibiotics could actually be beneficial. We explore supplements like creatine and colostrum for muscle retention, fertility and metabolic health, along with practical ways to improve kids nutrition. She has two kids herself, and I really admire the way she parents and keeps them healthy. So that's very interesting insight from her. We talk about healthy school lunches to creating positive habits at home. And finally, we dive into topics like oic fox fasting and the crucial role of protein in building a strong foundation, especially for women. Without further ado, let's hop into this chat with Dr. Gabrielle Lyon.
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Greg
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon, welcome back for part two.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
Thank you so much for having me.
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Greg
I'm so excited. Our part one was so fun. I mean, I loved it and the audience absolutely loved it. They freaked out over. It's one of my top performing episodes. So I'm so excited to have you back.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
Anytime you ask, I'm here.
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Greg
I know. I mean, we talk every single week anyway, but I mean, I've told them you're my doctor. And like, we check in and have been through a lot together already. I feel like I've told the audience, you help me with my acne, which is just like, was the craziest journey for me. Like 10 years of insane acne on and off. Kept coming back, couldn't figure out why, and we eventually got to finding out I had H. Pylori, which I had never heard of. Do you mind if we start there? Because I feel like people had a lot of questions about that.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
Yeah. And I think it's important to frame up this idea of acne. Right. And there are many different causes of acne, but for someone who is young and healthy to go through Cycles of this cyclic acne is major. It affects people's well being, emotional well being. And so you really have to get to the root cause. And, and H. Pylori is a cause of acne or at least highly correlated. And I will tell you this, the higher the load, which by the way, H. Pylori is a gram negative bacteria, nearly 50% of the population has it.
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Greg
Hmm. Did I just have a very high dose of it?
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
You the, so this is very interesting. The load of the H. Pylori can mirror the, the degree of the acne.
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Greg
Oh wow.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
Those individuals that seem to, again, not in all studies, but those individuals that seem to have a high bacterial load of H. Pylori are the ones that seem to have the worst acne. And so if you don't treat the H. Pylori, then the acne, whether you do a full elimination diet or you remove all of these things or improve your B vitamin status, you don't get rid of it.
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Greg
Yeah, that was me. I barely could eat any in my head. I couldn't eat anything because I was like, well I eat dairy. It will trigger it when I have alcohol, when I have sugar, like I pretty much just ate meat and fruit when I first met you. Like I was so restrictive and now I can get away with having like a little bit of things here and there and it doesn't re trigger it. I still eat healthy for the most part, but like even when I go out for dinner, I'm not struggling with.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
Breakouts the next day and nor should you. And by the way, roughly 20% of the population will have symptoms. So let's talk about symptoms of H. Pylori. Yeah, acne can be a symptom, but also reflux. People that are, you'll hear them, they're constantly clearing their throat. That can be from reflux.
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Greg
Interesting. So it could show up differently.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
Heartburn. Heartburn, yes. And the other component of that is if the partner is not treated. How do you get H. Pylori? Well, you can get it from saliva. It's probably the most common way. If you kiss, if you even, I don't know, share drinks. Depends on my three year old gets, you know, saliva everywhere. But you have to be treated and also your partner has to be treated.
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Greg
Right. That was the biggest, like mind. That's what clicked for me. I was like, okay, Greg and I have been together for 10 years. Something's wrong with both of us, but it's showing up differently in both of us. And then when you said it's either Your house or your spouse. I was like, well, I've moved house a ton. Greg is the one consistent in my life.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
Poor Greg.
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Mari Llewellyn
Greg, Greg.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
You know, we're just busting your chops over here.
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Greg
But he became bacteria Boy. As of that moment, like my whole community was calling him Bacteria Boy because we were like, greg's the problem. So we both had to do antibiotics, which was so funny because I feel like I had subconsciously been avoiding antibiotics because I think in the wellness space there's like very extreme views on things. And I had a lot of people on the show telling me how bad antibiotics were. And I know that chronic use of antibiotics is bad. However, like the. Clearly, there's a time and a place for it. Right. So for me, it was like the thing that fixed my acne and I had been avoiding it for like 10 years.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
Yeah. And also when you think about it, what else can H. Pylori cause? Well, it can cause an ulcer. It can also cause gastric cancer.
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Greg
I heard that. Yeah.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
And when you said that people in the wellness space are very polarized, it's so true. We cannot say that, you know, hormones are good and then antibiotics are bad or just having these very polarizing views. It doesn't necessarily make sense. Right. Antibiotics. Antibiotics have a time and a place. You're not going to treat pneumonia naturally. I'm sorry.
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Unknown
Yeah.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
It's just not, you know.
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Greg
Yeah.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
You're not going to type take. You're not going to treat type 1 diabetes naturally. You're going to give a person insulin. Again, this is just my professional opinion, but I do think that we have to have a very well rounded view of why we are saying do something or don't do something. And you had tried to treat your acne.
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Unknown
Yeah.
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Greg
With so many different supplements. I tried everything.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
And at some point, supplements are amazing. They're amazing for circling back and help healing the gut. Right. There are things like polyphenols which are wonderful for the gut microbiome, things that are in red and green powders, you know, various colors. There are things like colostrum and just various other agents that we can use to help. But you still have to deal with a pathogen. You have to kill it.
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Greg
Yeah, exactly. So we did the round of antibiotics.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
And we also tested you for antibiotic resistance.
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Greg
Yeah.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
Before we chose antibiotics. And listen, there are certain things that you can treat naturally. For example, if someone has yeast overgrowth, Candida doesn't mean you have to use Diflucan or some kind of medication.
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Unknown
Yeah.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
You can reign in the diet, you can use herbals. There are agents that can and are effective at killing yeast. But when it comes to something like H. Pylori, we know the outcome and also we know the effect that it was having on you.
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Greg
How can people at home test for H. Pylori?
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
What a wonderful question. There are ways in which someone can test. You can see your physician, you can get a urea breath test, or you can do a stool test. Of course you can do a endoscopy, which is a scope. Probably not on the routine. Doesn't sound like fun, but there are ways to definitively test for it.
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Greg
Yeah. And we saw in mine, I think I had pretty high levels. And then we tested Greg and we were like, oh, there they are. We both had it. So we both did like what, three weeks of antibiotics.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
14 days.
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Greg
14 days, three different antibiotics.
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Mari Llewellyn
And then.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
Which is the standard of care? Yeah.
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Greg
And then we had a built in post care plan to rebuild the gut, which I think is crucial.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
It is. And let's talk about that. I, you know, as your physician, I think it's important that I practice evidence based medicine. And all of our providers do. Dr. Lisa, the other providers. There's also something to be said for a more integrative approach that what we see that works anecdotally, that what we've seen over almost 20 years of seeing patients, that there are things like colostrum or prebiotics, things with polyphenols that can really help diversify the gut microbiome seem to help heal it. Things like glutamine. We were talking about glutamine and we do utilize higher doses of glutamine. Glutamine is an amino acid the body makes. But as your gut goes through challenges, it uses glutamine. Those cells in the gut use glutamine for energy. And it's very difficult to get the amount that one would need from the diet. So this would be an amazing place to supplement glutamine for the gut, for gut health, for those cells in the gut.
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Greg
Yeah. So like this rebuild phase I started, so I had a, you know, a bunch of things I was doing, but I made this water every day. Like my big Stanley cup. I have. I would put glutamine, electrolytes, Colostrum bloom. Colostrum bloom. Creatine, which is our new supplement.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
I'm so glad you came out with a creatine. Do you know the data is unbelievable.
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Unknown
Yeah.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
Have you met Darren Kandao on yet?
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Greg
No.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
Oh, we got Dr. Kandao pitching you right now. He is a world class creatine expert.
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Greg
I'd love to have him on.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
And he will tell you that creatine is one of the safest supplements.
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Unknown
Yeah.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
But not only that for women, there might be additional benefits for women. Women have what seems to be lower creatine stores and not just based on.
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Greg
Size, which is crazy because I think the way people think about creatine is that it's for men.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
Totally.
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Greg
So why is it so beneficial for women?
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
I think. Well, first of all, let me give you my top supplements that I would say, okay, this is what I think would be valuable for anybody. For women, a protein powder. I am obviously partial to whey protein, a omega 3 fatty acid, some kind of polyphenol that, that, you know, for example, a red, green, purple or something like urolithin A, which is a prebiotic Creatine at a higher dose than you would think. Creatine at a dose between three and five is what people think of for women. But creatine, what we are starting to see what some of the research is coming out and also Dr. Abby Ryan Smith, that women, depending on their phase of their menstrual cycle, seem to have greater benefit from creatine than other times, which again, I think that you should take creatine every day. I, I think that it's very unrealistic to dose creatine based on your cycle, whether you're in the luteal phase or even in pregnancy.
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Greg
So it's safe during pregnancy.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
You did not hear that from me. Talk to your own doctor. But yes.
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Greg
Hmm.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
And you have to understand, creatine is made in the body. We get it from sources like red meat, which we are never going to be able to consume enough that is going to be meaningful. For example, one pound of red meat might have half a gram of creatine.
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Unknown
Yeah.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
And if you need a minimum of 3 grams, 3 to 5 grams for muscle, 10 for brain health.
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Unknown
Yeah.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
One in eight women will struggle with some kind of mental health issue.
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Unknown
Yeah.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
Whether it's depression, anxiety.
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Unknown
Yeah.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
And part of the reason, you know, at least I'm beginning to see evidence that part of the reason is this ability to generate energy in the brain. And you know, these are, these are very broad strokes. I realize that, you know, I'm not giving you the mechanism.
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Greg
Right.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
So there I, I do think that the brain is very complicated. But if we know that women seem to have lower levels of creatine in the brain and that they are very responsive to creatine and it improves mood and memory. That's extraordinary.
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Greg
Yeah, that's amazing.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
So also if someone were to take it with say an SSRI or something that they are doing already for their mood and brain function might begin to see synergistic effects.
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Greg
So it's helping muscle retention.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
Yeah.
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Greg
Doesn't it hydrate muscles, too?
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
It helps with glycogen storage. If, say, an individual was struggling with performance, there seems to be some evidence that it actually helps with storing those carbohydrates in skeletal muscle. Amazing. It is not going to make you big and bulky.
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Greg
Okay. That's the big thing is girls think it'll make them bloated. That's like the number one misconception I see. I actually have been taking creatine since the beginning of my fitness journey. And I remember being really nervous. I was like, oh, my God, I'm going to look bloated and watery. But it's the best thing ever.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
And I think that we're going to start to see more women taking creatine.
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Greg
Yeah, I hope so.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
I believe that it is probably going to be proven to be one of the most useful supplements for midlife. And when I say midlife, I am talking about. So midlife, I guess would be what, 40 individuals should start before then. So what should they start? I mean, from a health muscle span perspective, I would say as early as they're willing to.
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Unknown
Yeah.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
I mean, when I was 18, I was taking supplements. I don't know if you were pretty. I wasn't. I wish I was.
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Greg
I wasn't into fitness when I was 18. It took me until I was 23, 24 to have a mental breakdown and get into fitness.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
But think if you adjust into creatine, kidding aside, I definitely believe women of childbearing age in their reproductive prime would benefit greatly from creatine. Creatine is considered. It's something called a carne nutrient where it is really found in animal products, mainly red meat, which is. That's where the name carney nutrient came from.
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Greg
So it occurs naturally in foods. Foods, yes. Which is the recipe for a great supplement.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
Yes.
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Greg
Okay.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
And when you think about it, let's talk about who responds most to creatine. Number one, individuals that are eating, likely a low creatine diet. So vegan vegetarians can really benefit from creatine.
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Greg
Okay.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
Individuals that are tired, there may be evidence to support it. Seems to give people more energy in training, decreasing fatigue, brain function.
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Unknown
Yep.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
Could improve mood and improve just overall thought process. That's amazing.
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Greg
Yeah, that's. That's pretty extraordinary.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
It Is. And it's. And the safety profile. We know that there is a high safety profile.
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Greg
It's the most studied supplement in the.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
Supplement industry for 60 some years.
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Greg
Sal Di Stefano is a big fan of it. He's in Austin, by the way.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
What?
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Greg
I know.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
I'm texting him.
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Greg
He may have left already. He was supposed to come on the show, but I was like too, too booked up the schedule.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
You have a lot, a lot happening.
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Greg
Yes, ma'am.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
We love Sal.
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Greg
Yes, ma'am. Oh, he's such a cutie. He loves his kids.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
Yes, he does. And you know, every time Sal and I chat, we always talk about body composition. And I have to say, it's one of the things, if we think about women, it really plagues young women.
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Greg
Yeah.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
There is a lot of pressure now more than ever, for sure.
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Greg
And I think this look of like. I don't know what to call it, but it's this like cigarette skinny vibe is very in right now, like to have.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
Is it really?
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Greg
I think so. Like when I go on Tick Tock and I see these girls, it's like stick, skinny legs and there was like a muscle mommy. I taught you what that was, right?
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
No, I made it up.
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Greg
Maybe I taught Sal who did I have on the show that I talked.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
So they have a program called Muscle Mommy and I was like, oh, yeah.
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Greg
So that's what you call girls who are like, like muscled up and have like nice glutes and stuff. That's like, you're a muscle mommy for sure.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
No, you said nice, nice glutes. So I don't actually fall into that category that I'll. I'll take it. I'll take it.
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Greg
I can't grow my glutes either.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
It's all. Listen, I mean, I did tear my hamstring, but I. It's just a challenge.
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Unknown
Yeah.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
So think about it. The most important organ from my perspective when it comes to longevity is muscle. Yeah. The more healthy muscle mass you have, the greater your survivability against nearly anything that's going to kill you. The more healthy muscle mass you have, the stronger, let's say the stronger you are, the greater your survivability.
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Unknown
Yeah.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
There's nothing more important. And it's the only thing that we can control.
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Greg
Isn't it also great for like menopause and pcos?
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
Yes.
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Unknown
Yeah.
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Greg
So many things.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
It is the metabolic sync. When we have chronic disease, we have to think, okay, well, where does that start? The majority of chronic diseases are metabolic in nature.
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Unknown
Yeah.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
Where do we push the envelope for metabolism, muscle, you know. And fertility is an interesting thing because fertility rates have declined over years from both men and sperm count for women and also sperm counts for men.
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Greg
Why do you think that is?
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
I have my theories. I don't have an evidence based answer, but I do have theories. Do you know cholesterol levels have also declined.
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Greg
Really? Is that correlated?
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
I think that we also have hormone levels declining, like testosterone.
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Unknown
Yeah.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
Is it correlated?
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Greg
Probably, yeah.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
I think fertility, we are way sedentary.
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Unknown
Yeah.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
50% of the population doesn't exercise. Majority of people are either overweight or obese. Diet is very poor quality. Diet affects sperm. Diet affects egg health. Diet affects how we operate. Also, I think that we are exposed to a lot of things that are in the environment that we have not had to deal with in the past.
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Unknown
Yeah.
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Greg
So our bodies are just freaking out.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
And I will tell you, I. I'm going to say this sounds really fringe and I'm saying it here for the first time. I do think that we have a lot of light pollution and a lot of circadian misal.
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Greg
Hmm. Just like a lot lights in the, in our faces all day and all these buildings.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
We're not. I just don't think that that's the way that we were designed. And so even though it's outside of our conscious awareness, I think it still affects us.
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Unknown
Yeah.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
I mean, I know that sounds crazy.
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Greg
I don't think so.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
But think about it. I mean, I think all of these.
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Greg
Things together, creating an environment that we're not meant to be in.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
Yeah.
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Greg
I'm glad we're talking about fertility because it's a big focus of mine and yours.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
Together is like, no, no, we're not focusing on it. I'm just kidding.
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Greg
That's the biggest thing is like, don't think about it. But when I came to you, I.
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Mari Llewellyn
Was like, hey, this is like a.
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Greg
Really big goal of mine. And I guess like a question I have because you mentioned like a lot of people are struggling with obesity and metabolic issues. As someone who's like healthy and lean and I take care of myself, sometimes I get to the place where I'm like, well, do I need to put on weight in order to get pregnant? Because I hear people saying that to me as well. So it's kind of confusing of like really the right thing to do. I think the fertility space is so overwhelming and confusing and every. I mean, you know, when I came to you, I was like, I am getting advice from a million people. I'm so confused. I'm Trying a million things.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
When you also came to me, you had acne and you had gotten advice from a million people.
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Greg
Yeah.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
And I say that because the best. The people that do the best eliminate distraction. You hone in. You have your team, you have your people. The rest is noise. Everybody has different experience and different input. And here's what I will tell you. People will say, oh, well, you need to put on weight to become pregnant. Right. Let's say, even though we know that the average BMI is really high, that is not your challenge. When a woman is not cycling because she's too underweight, that's a problem.
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Greg
Yeah.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
Right.
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Greg
But I have a regular cycle. Regular.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
You're doing great. You want it on your terms and the baby wants it on the baby's terms. And that's part of how that goes, you know? Yeah. But I. I do think fertility for people is a challenge in general. You know, it's probably the number one I was thinking about. What are the. The number one things that young women struggle with?
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Greg
Body image.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
Body image.
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Unknown
Yeah.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
Fertility, fertility, mental health in general. And then weight.
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Unknown
Yeah.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
Women will have tried a million different types of diets.
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Unknown
Yeah.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
But, you know, what would you say.
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Greg
Is your top advice for women listening who want to conceive and they're like, oh, my gosh, I'm exposed to all these toxins. I don't know what to do. Like, what's the first place to start?
- [24:59]
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
That is a wonderful question. And the first place to start, I would say, again, from my experience, is you have to eliminate the chaos because the pregnant, like a woman's body. Again, this is. I'm not giving you evidence here. I'm just giving you years of practice. The more stressed an individual is, I am telling you, it seems like the lower likelihood that they get pregnant because it's so much pressure the body. The body doesn't want to do. If the body doesn't feel safe.
- [25:37]
Unknown
Yeah.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
Then I think it's very difficult to conceive. That's the first thing it has to be. You know, it's going to happen. It's not an if, it's a when.
- [25:46]
Unknown
Yeah.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
And then I think that when an individual removes themselves from that kind of pressure and think about the frame, the lens that I'm looking at this. I am someone who believes we put ourselves in pressured situations. Right. I am someone who believes you dive in and you do the hard thing. This is the one area that I can confidently say you don't. And it's the only area I know.
- [26:24]
Greg
When I First started working with you, I, you know, I'd met you before, and I knew who you were and I knew what you stood for. And I remember the first conversation we had about pregnancy, and you were like, you need to chill out. And I was shocked because I was like, oh, this doesn't feel like you. You are the person who's like, do the hard things. Put yourself through it. And I'm that person too.
- [26:45]
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
Yes, you are.
- [26:46]
Greg
I'm very type A controlling. And like everything else I've done in my life, I'm like, work hard and you'll. You'll make it happen.
- [26:54]
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
That's right.
- [26:54]
Greg
This is the one thing that I can't control and I can't work harder at necessarily.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
And there's probably a lesson in allowing for.
- [27:03]
Greg
Sure.
- [27:03]
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
And you have to understand, you know, where I'm coming from. You know that I am like, okay, it's hard. Suck it up. We're. We're like, do it.
- [27:12]
Unknown
Yeah.
- [27:13]
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
But there is a level of pressure and demand that the body, whether it's within your conscious awareness or not, the body feels that.
- [27:23]
Unknown
Yeah.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
And you will hear that over and over again the moment someone's like, ah, I'm not worried about it. I'm not thinking about it, and you know it. Right. You hear that?
- [27:32]
Unknown
Yeah.
- [27:32]
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
But I think that it's also. I think it's a reasonable challenge.
- [27:38]
Unknown
Yeah.
- [27:38]
Greg
To let go is the hardest part. Like, you can take all the supplements, you can do all the things.
- [27:43]
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
That's right.
- [27:44]
Greg
It's the letting go pot. And I feel like I've gotten better at it.
- [27:47]
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
You have.
- [27:48]
Greg
Um, like when I first met you, it was truly every minute I was thinking about it, and now it's to the point where I'm like, I don't really think about it till someone asks me. Obviously, if something happens, like, I get a negative test, that will set me off for a couple days, but also.
- [28:04]
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
It'S going to happen, and then you're going to call me. You're like, I don't know why I was rushing this so much. Oh, my God. There is just diaper and it's just a whole thing. It is a whole thing. But I do think that you're very brave to be talking about this because it's. It's a personal thing and it's. Yeah, it can be very challenging because you've been so disciplined in every aspect of your life. I mean, you're a very hard worker.
- [28:31]
Greg
Thank you.
- [28:31]
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
And I think that you're going into a moment where it has to you have no control over this.
- [28:38]
Unknown
Yeah.
- [28:39]
Greg
And I actually. You'll be proud of me. I looked at my calendar because we have this event. I mean, guys, Dr. Gabrielle's in town right now because we have a big event tomorrow. Have a dinner tonight. Thank you so much for doing this, by the way.
- [28:50]
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
You also know that I made your deal, right? Whatever you ask me will always be a yes. So just pick it.
- [28:55]
Greg
You're the best. Thank you. But I'm doing too much and I like going to LA Monday. So I looked at my calendar and I was like, you know what? I'm deleting some things.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
Amazing.
- [29:05]
Greg
I got rid of another event I was doing. I got rid of a bunch of interviews I was doing.
- [29:09]
Mari Llewellyn
I had to.
- [29:09]
Greg
Cuz I was like, this needs to be my priority right now. And if I keep shoving my calendar full, when am I gonna calm down?
- [29:17]
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
I will tell you. You know, I. When I knew I wanted to have a child, I was a hard no. And then all of a sudden I was a yes.
- [29:26]
Greg
Really?
- [29:27]
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
Yes. I was absolutely not. I'm not gonna have any kids.
- [29:30]
Greg
I feel like you're such a mum to me.
- [29:32]
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
I mean. But I was a absolute hard no. I was a hard no.
- [29:36]
Unknown
Yeah.
- [29:37]
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
And then there was a moment where I'm like, if I don't do this, I'm not gonna have kids. Right. Like this is the time. And I had to really. At the time, I was training for a 50 hour event. I was bananas with my exercise. Bananas with like. I was so rigid and so pushing my body.
- [30:00]
Unknown
Yeah.
- [30:01]
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
That there was no way I was going to get pregnant.
- [30:05]
Greg
So what did you do?
- [30:06]
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
I was fasting till noon. I was training like a maniac. And I'm like, well, you know, I want to get pregnant. It's never going to happen.
- [30:14]
Unknown
Yeah.
- [30:14]
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
So what did I do? I stopped fasting.
- [30:18]
Greg
Okay.
- [30:19]
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
I started totally reducing my training. You know when I say training like a crazy person, you're talking two to three hours a day.
- [30:27]
Greg
Yeah, I can imagine.
- [30:28]
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
I mean some people do that. That sounds fun for me. Right? It's. That was a lot. Really reduced my training and the kind of training, it wasn't really central nervous system stress. It was I, again, this is what I did. I'm not necessarily telling someone else to do it, but I really. I can't believe I'm talking about this stuff. I, I love it.
- [30:51]
Greg
This is different for you.
- [30:52]
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
I never talk. That's right. I talk about it privately, but never. I really softened.
- [30:56]
Unknown
Yeah.
- [30:56]
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
I did acupuncture all the time. I I just softened my whole way of being.
- [31:03]
Unknown
Yeah.
- [31:04]
Greg
Wasn't weightlifting still or no.
- [31:06]
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
Yeah. But I wasn't doing 100 pull ups a day followed by sprint intervals followed by, you know, max deadlifts and squats. You know, it was totally different. It was. I'm training because I'm preparing my body for pregnancy.
- [31:22]
Greg
That makes me feel a lot better because I mean coming from you, someone who's like, I know a super hard worker and super dedicated to fitness. I've been struggling. I've been trying to soften up too and I'm not working out as much or as hard as I used to and things just feel a little bit different.
- [31:42]
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
Yeah.
- [31:43]
Greg
And I have a certain amount of guilt about it and I feel like hearing that makes me feel a lot better.
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- [34:53]
Greg
Let me address camera because I don't have a hoodie on anymore because I got hot and I have a cough drop in because I had a cough explosion. But we're back.
- [35:00]
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
Understatement of the cough explosion. I thought I was going to have to do CPR on set. First time ever. It's kind of like the moment where you hear on the loudspeaker on the airplane where someone goes, excuse me, is there a doctor? Is there a doctor on the airplane? Please come to seat 3A.
- [35:20]
Greg
This has never happened to me. Of course it happens when you're here. Thank God.
- [35:24]
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
I had the mo. I had a moment. I was.
- [35:26]
Greg
I almost hit the ground.
- [35:27]
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
Chest press.
- [35:28]
Greg
I had to stand up.
- [35:29]
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
Chest compressions. I got it.
- [35:31]
Greg
We're back.
- [35:31]
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
Heimlich maneuver.
- [35:32]
Greg
And I'm really upset because we were getting really deep.
- [35:35]
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
Yeah. I was just telling you that I don't actually ever really talk about myself because, you know, I think that part of my personal experience may be unimportant, but I think that I should share more. And we're better to share.
- [35:52]
Greg
I don't think it's Unimportant, I think. Well, first of all, in so many ways, I and other people look up to you.
- [35:58]
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
Oh, thank you.
- [35:59]
Greg
Because you're like this tough superwoman. And to hear that you also pulled back for pregnancy actually hypes me up about pulling back, because I've had a lot of guilt about it. And then something else I look up to you in a lot of ways is that you are a fantastic mom, and I've seen you in action to your two adorable kids.
- [36:20]
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
You mean the two children that are here that you might not say that tomorrow after our event?
- [36:24]
Greg
Well, I've seen them a couple times, and I just love them. I think they're the cutest things ever. And I know you're super involved. Like, you do everything yourself.
- [36:31]
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
Well, not totally, but mostly. Mostly I have a little bit of help, but it's really important to me to do it. The good and the bad. You know, it's not always amazing when they're throwing a tantrum, but.
- [36:47]
Greg
But as like, a business owner, a public. I mean, you do so much. You're flying around the world all the time. The fact that you pull this off, I think is incredible. And I also think the way you're. I remember your daughter was, like, explaining to me what she eats. For people listening who have kids that want them to eat healthy, that want them to get enough protein, how do you teach your kid, like, what the difference is between something that's good or bad? You know what I mean?
- [37:14]
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
Very thoughtfully. Because the last thing that I want to do is, is to create any kind of body image issue, emotional tie to eating. We talk all about, does this fuel your body to be healthy? We talk nothing about weight. We talk nothing about the weight a person looks. Do you feel good being strong? My kids, you will see them come to the gym and train with me.
- [37:37]
Greg
Are you doing little pushups?
- [37:39]
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
That's extraordinary. And it is proof to me that for the young moms listening right now, it is possible. And they are our future. And it's so much better to instill good habits now than have them spend a lifetime trying to break old bad ones, period. So you model good behavior, which I do. And if, you know, someone offers me something that's gross, I say, you know what? I don't eat that. That's. I'm not the type of person that eats that. I just. That's not good for my body. And she listens. And obviously they're not perfect, right? They want goldfish or whatever. And I'll just say, hey, is this A good choice. Is it going to make you feel good?
- [38:23]
Greg
Mm.
- [38:25]
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
And they are incredibly capable. I think that if you remove these. But we don't have junk at the house, Right?
- [38:31]
Unknown
Yeah.
- [38:32]
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
And I think that parents really need to understand that. Yeah, kids are gonna throw a tantrum, but at the end of the day, they eat what you provide.
- [38:40]
Unknown
Yeah.
- [38:41]
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
And so you have to make really good choices. And you have to make those choices for yourself.
- [38:44]
Unknown
Yeah.
- [38:45]
Greg
And show them, like, what that looks like.
- [38:47]
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
They do not care what you say.
- [38:49]
Greg
They just watch.
- [38:50]
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
Same with working out.
- [38:51]
Unknown
Yeah.
- [38:52]
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
You know, we live in this epidemic of sedentary behavior. People are all on their phones. We just drove to come see you two and a half hours. How much electronics do you think those kids got?
- [39:05]
Greg
I'd be curious.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
Zero.
- [39:06]
Greg
Wow. What do they do the whole time?
- [39:08]
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
Scream, mostly.
- [39:10]
Greg
I feel like whenever I call you, you're like, hey, but don't jump in the pool.
- [39:17]
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
Sorry, can't talk right now. But what do they do? We play I Spy or we sing songs. But if I, as a parent, become dependent on external resources, Ms. Rachel, then I will teach my children to not be able to regulate their emotions and also become dependent on external resources.
- [39:43]
Greg
Right.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
And remember, we are not raising children. We're building strong humans. How do we build strong humans and the next generation.
- [39:54]
Unknown
Yeah.
- [39:55]
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
And we do it by being very intentional.
- [40:00]
Greg
What does. And I don't know if you feel comfortable disclosing, maybe just give a couple ons, a couple examples. But what's like a day in a life eating? Like, for them.
- [40:08]
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
For them, breakfast is typically some kind of eggs. So they know what is protein and what's not. Breakfast is usually eggs. And what I'll do is I'll let my daughter help make them, and then she'll be up for it. She'll eat some eggs with some cheese. Maybe she'll make it for her brother. She usually misses. When we're making eggs, I can definitely count on at least one egg not making it into the pan. And you know how annoying that is? It gets into the. The whatever. The bottom of the stove just holding. And then some kind of berries or fruit. Yeah. Maybe a yogurt. And it's really easy. My son, he likes dried fruit and milk. It's not ideal, but. Or he loves a beef stick, that kid. He eats beef sticks. Like, it's unbelievable.
- [40:59]
Greg
That's great.
- [40:59]
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
I mean, he's like. Wants a beef stick. It's a great snack. So that's breakfast. Now lunch. This is interesting. So lunch, we usually pack for them, but My daughter wants to eat the school lunch and it's. She wants eat it because it's not that healthy.
- [41:12]
Greg
Yeah. I was gonna ask like, how do you control go to school?
- [41:16]
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
I will pack and I'll ask her to please at least have some of that. And then make her additional choice.
- [41:23]
Greg
What is the school lunch?
- [41:24]
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
It's garbage. That sucks. It's garbage.
- [41:28]
Greg
Does that frustrate you?
- [41:29]
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
Yeah, but I also recognize. So I thought about, I have two ways to go. I can go and I can talk to the school about how they shouldn't have pasta for lunch. And maybe the listener's like, well, pasta is not bad. Or they shouldn't have, I don't know, tacos and fried chicken or whatever it is because they'll have fruit or they'll have something else. Oh, they shouldn't have pizza. I mean they serve these kids. And here's what I would say. If I take away her ability to choose, she's never going to learn how to regulate and have some kind of restraint. Every day she tells me what she has for lunch and she waits for the reaction. She's like, mom, I had chips and cheese. It's so funny, right? And she's like, but I also had the pepper and beef that you packed.
- [42:19]
Greg
Okay, great.
- [42:20]
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
And then dinner. We're pretty tight. Yeah, it's some kind of protein, some kind of vegetable and some kind of like potato or something.
- [42:28]
Greg
It's nice that you give her the choice also because I hear about kids who are over restricted or just like eating healthy so much that they go to their friend's house and they just binge on garbage.
- [42:38]
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
Yeah, I, I try to think ahead about that happening, you know, and just if you teach them to make good choices, then they're able to exercise the ability to choose. And I think that ultimately we all have choices with our health, whether we're going to make good decisions. And ultimately a life is built on these small insignificant choices over time that build up to either good health, poor health, good habits, not good habits. And we just have to be very aware that it's all of these little choices over time that create a big picture.
- [43:19]
Greg
And as you said, the best thing that you can do is really be the example.
- [43:24]
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
It's essential.
- [43:25]
Unknown
Yeah.
- [43:26]
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
So when I think about what are the things that I do that are healthy? I wake up, I train my children three days a week. They can choose to come with me or they can choose not to. It's their choice then. Well, first I. Highly caffeinated, not proud of it. But yes, it happens, you know, highly caffeinate and then I'll train and then I'll come back. I'll have breakfast and my supplements I'll have, depending on what kind of cycle I'm in, I'll have fish oil with like some eggs, some yogurt. I'll usually have a green drink. I'll throw creatine in there. Five grams in the morning? Yeah, multi. Depending on what mood I'm in.
- [44:13]
Greg
So you're not fasting anymore?
- [44:14]
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
No, but I used to all the time.
- [44:17]
Greg
Do you still think it's beneficial?
- [44:19]
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
I think that there's going to be some data that comes out that's going to blow your mind in a good way or about shockingly not in a positive way for women. For women, yeah. That doesn't surprise infertility and Perry. Postmenopausal women. What I think that is going to come out, and this hasn't been published yet, but I do know some of the researchers working on it, that those individuals that go through periods of fasting change their resting energy expenditure. So the amount of energy that they burn at rest so significantly could be upwards of 500 calories a day. So then when they go to eat, they're now struggling to lose weight because their energy metabolism has slowed down.
- [45:01]
Greg
Interesting.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
By. If, you know, if you think about if your energy metabolism slows down by 500 calories, meaning you're burning 500 calories less a day.
- [45:10]
Greg
Yeah, that's a significant amount.
- [45:11]
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
That's a significant amount. And it might actually be a little bit more interesting.
- [45:15]
Greg
I always felt like maybe this is a crazy theory, but I feel like if you think ancestrally women were gathering and like eating little bits all day and men were kind of going longer stretches without eating. I don't know if that makes sense.
- [45:31]
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
I don't know.
- [45:32]
Greg
But to me, I wake up hungry and like I can't. I would have to force myself to not eat for hours. And I feel awful when I do that.
- [45:41]
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
And I also think, remember how I'd mentioned this idea of circadian biology?
- [45:45]
Unknown
Yeah.
- [45:46]
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
That I think the light is affecting us. I also believe that because we're so dysregulated with light, we should probably eat when the sun is out, which means instead of pushing a fasting window later, we probably should be eating earlier.
- [46:02]
Greg
What time do you eat dinner?
- [46:04]
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
I mean, we try to eat by 6, 30, 7 o'clock. Greg and I as well, you know.
- [46:11]
Unknown
Yeah, yeah.
- [46:13]
Greg
I like eating early. I feel like I digest before bed. I can't eat too late. If I go out for. I cannot. First of all, I won't accept a dinner reservation. That's possible. Seven. I won't. Cuz if you, if you do that, you don't know me very well, you know.
- [46:27]
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
Yeah.
- [46:27]
Greg
Like I have to be in bed at 8:30 so this isn't going to work.
- [46:31]
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
Which, which is probably really good. And I think that, you know, we talk a lot. Like our last podcast we talked a lot about muscle and protein and that is a huge layer. Right. You have to get that right. I Recommend Close to 1 gram per pound. Ideal body weight.
- [46:47]
Unknown
Yeah.
- [46:48]
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
If you want to be plant based, fine. If you don't want to be plant based, fine. But really higher protein is better. Then you think about training. Right. What are the training things that we have to do to optimize muscle? You have to lift, you have to do that two to three times a week. It's non negotiable. You cannot replace it with walking. Yoga is great but you really should be doing some kind of resistance training. Right?
- [47:11]
Unknown
Yeah.
- [47:11]
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
So this is the foundation. And then I think the next level is we start to think about our environment, our interaction with the outside world, our relationship with light, our relationship with feeding, timing, these kind of things that as we think about the greater complexities of a woman, fertility, these things I think that we layer in appropriate and meaningful habits like the time of day that you eat. I think that we can really begin to optimize our health choosing. You've got your macro styled in. What is the next layer of supplements you have? Why are you taking it? Right. What are the. That. What is the hierarchy of health and wellness? You know, what are the things that you are really paying attention to and for what reason?
- [47:57]
Greg
Yeah, very well said. Also we touched on this last time, but just to mention, I think people are going to be thinking about it with the wave of people on Ozempic for weight loss and losing a lot of weight quickly and potentially losing muscle. What should they be doing right now?
- [48:18]
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
First thing it's I will say Ozempic, Tirzepatide, which is mondoro. These are GLP1 GIP agonists. Nothing has been more impactful in obesity medicine or weight loss than these drugs. They are more effective than bariatric surgery. Someone going on ozempic could lose 15 of their body weight. We have never seen anything like this. And I did a fellowship in nutritional sciences and obesity medicine. So part of what I did was run an obesity clinic. Yeah, these drugs have changed the game for people. So there's Lots of controversy. People are, like, against it for it. They're very polarized, which is interesting, because I don't think that there's a reason for that polarity. And also, it's someone's choice, whether you have £10 to lose or £100 to lose. It is body autonomy. It is an individual's choice. We should not be defining who can be taking it or who should and who shouldn't.
- [49:24]
Unknown
Yeah.
- [49:24]
Greg
Dr. Tina was here yesterday and she said the same thing.
- [49:27]
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
It is fully our choice. So that being said, when you lose weight quickly, you always lose a percentage of lean body mass. Lean body mass is organs. It's bone. It's anything outside of fat. That will happen. The medications can expedite weight loss, which is all encompassing. Right. Again, the slower you lose weight, when you have a higher protein diet, again, what does it say in the literature? 1.6 grams per kilogram, which comes out to 0.7 grams per pound. You can go higher. You will maintain lean tissue. Lean tissue is not just muscle. 50 or so percent of lean tissue is skeletal muscle. So when your listeners are hearing lean body mass, what does that mean? That actually means liver and bone and organs and all kinds of things. Connective tissue. Right. It's not just muscle, those things, and that becomes important. And the other thing that I'll say, which I don't think I've ever heard anyone talk about, is that when you lose weight, you also lose intramuscular fat.
- [50:37]
Greg
Yes. Okay.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
And that will change, quote, the lean mass.
- [50:41]
Unknown
Yeah.
- [50:42]
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
Because the technology isn't necessarily sensitive enough to look at the quality and the morphology of the skeletal muscle.
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Greg
So if the muscle's, like, lean, it's mostly red and you see lines in it, and then a fatty muscle has, like, marbling.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
Right.
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Greg
Okay.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
But the lean body mass, if it's measured by dex or, you know, extrapolated in that way, isn't going to necessarily differentiate between the quality of that muscle tissue. So when you hear, you know, this weight loss with these medications, it's not all bad. You're losing visceral fat, but you're also losing fat within that skeletal muscle, which would then also make people think, oh, well, this is not good. You're also losing muscle, but you're losing. You're improving the quality of that tissue.
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Greg
Makes a lot of sense.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
What are you going to do to also augment that? You are going to eat dietary protein and you're going to do resistance training. We use this all the time in our clinic.
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Unknown
Yep.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
And we do not see them losing A tremendous amount of muscle.
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Greg
The lifestyle has to match up with the plan.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
You also don't have to dose it aggressively.
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Greg
I think that's. Yeah, we were talking about that yesterday. Dr. Tina, I think a lot of people are overusing Ozempic. I mean, in la, it's like a epidemic. These girls are on crazy high doses.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
And they're probably on too high a dose.
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Greg
Yeah, like unable to eat, throwing up. It's crazy.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
Yeah. That's not a good look. That's. Yeah, that's going to be tough. I certainly don't think that that's advisable. Right. But when we do think about what is it that these medications do, is I think they affect also inflammation, systemic inflammation, and whether it's the loss of body fat or not, but the reduction of inflammation, which is, you know, who knows? We see it improve cardiovascular risk. We see it improve hscrp, which is a marker of inflammation. We see it improve fertility. I'm sure Dr. Tino talked about that. We see various things that these medications can improve, which is extraordinary.
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Unknown
Yeah.
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Greg
And I think it's important to talk about the benefits outside of weight loss, because that seems to be the thing everyone's fixated on, and it's amazing that it's doing that for people, but there's so many benefits outside of it. And I learned a ton yesterday from.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
What was your biggest takeaway?
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Greg
I think the. The drug and alcohol addiction. I knew it helped with addictive tendencies, but I didn't think about how powerful that could be.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
Yeah.
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Greg
She was talking about the homeless population, rehabilitation. Like, imagine that effect that could. That could save someone's life, you know, it's fascinating. Yeah. Well, Dr. Gabrielle Lyon, thank you so much for coming on for part two. Can you tell everyone again where to find your show, your books, everything?
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
Yes. So I have a podcast, the Dr. Gabrielle Lyon show, which is top podcast in medicine. You were on it. I have a website. Dr. Gabrielle Lyon. We do take patients. We take patients for nutrition, for training, private patients. They can find me on Instagram, YouTube, everywhere. Only fans. Just kidding. Totally kidding. Just kidding.
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Greg
Muscle Mommy.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
Yeah, just kidding. Guys, sorry to disappoint, but Andrew Huberman's show. Yes. I did a wonderful interview with Andrew. I think that was very helpful in terms of talking about the science.
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Unknown
Yeah.
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Greg
I'm sure that opened a lot of people's eyes.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
Yep.
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Greg
Thank you so much.
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Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
Of course. Of course.
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Mari Llewellyn
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Greg
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Greg
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Mari Llewellyn
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Greg
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