Dr. Dan Pompa (3:56)

Yeah, I mean one of the things people love to do is say women should never fast. Men should. It's like they categorize. No, that's not true. Men and women are different. No doubt. And you know, when you look at ancestral tribes, women fasted, trust me. And. But they definitely have to do it different than men. Right. Their bodies at different times require oftentimes more calories, more protein. A woman who has a thyroid condition should not be fasting like a woman who doesn't. Right. Does mean they can't.

Dr. Tina Moore (4:23)

So.

Dr. Dan Pompa (4:23)

So, okay, the question is how do we do this and how do we do it right and what the problem is? Yeah, so women absolutely can really Cause more hormone challenges when they fast too much because they get into a catabolic state. Fasting is a stress. People don't understand that. You know, it does force the body to go through different ways of getting energy. It can force the body to use more fat for energy, which is really good. But when a woman is already in a hormonal change, like perimenopause, well, their body's already stressed and adapting, and it may not make that adaption to fat as an energy source in carbohydrates, we'd be better. So, again, you know, we can't just make these blanket statements, Right?

Dr. Tina Moore (5:07)

Yeah.

Dr. Dan Pompa (5:08)

So what I can say, because people are saying, what should I do then? When people first start intermittent fasting, they typically lose weight and feel better. Okay. But then that causes them to do it more, and therein lies some of the problem. Right. So they end up eating less. The body will eventually think it's starving, and then what does it do? Its number one priority is to survive. So what it does is it starts to want to hold on to your fat and actually burn its muscle, turn it into sugar. And that's not good because it affects your metabolism. Yeah. So fasting is not good because it affects your metabolism. Well, yeah, maybe when done incorrectly. So what women need to do is add feast days in. So if a woman's out there in their intermittent fasting or wants intermittent fasting because they do feel maybe a little bit better, that's great. But a woman with a thyroid condition typically needs three feast days a week, meaning days where they get up and eat three meals. Or maybe it's days. If they're really low carb, a feast could be higher. Healthy carbs, three days a week. So. And again, finding that balance is different for, you know, everybody.

Dr. Tina Moore (6:11)

Yeah.

Dr. Dan Pompa (6:12)

I say for the average person, one feast day a week is absolutely essential. And again, that's a day where you get up and you eat more, you eat more often, you break out of the fast and it reminds your body it's not starving, because otherwise the body backs into the starvation mode. And other things happen there. Right. Of course, you know, you get kind of skinny fat and that your metabolism slows down, but your energy goes down, you get more brain fog, you start to get negative, and then they persist in more and more fasting. You know, it was like kind of what happened to low calorie diets. You know, people would then eat less and less and less and less. Right. And women, it really affected.

Dr. Tina Moore (6:47)

And then they were really struggling.

Dr. Dan Pompa (6:49)

Yeah. Then they were really struggling. So the feast is very important. I even talk about how to do long fasts. You know, I'm a very. I teach five day fasting. And what can happen, we can talk more about the benefits of that. But to just to make my point, if you're going to fast for five days, you darn well better find five days somewhere in the month to feast. Right?

Dr. Tina Moore (7:09)

Okay.

Dr. Dan Pompa (7:10)

I was the one telling women the week before your period is the time to feast. You know, and then you can fast. And a fast could mean part. There's different types of fast we could get there. I don't want to pull away from that first question.

Dr. Tina Moore (7:21)

Yeah, no, you're good. No, that was great. You know what's really fascinating is I. So I'm not doing it now because I'm pregnant, but when I wasn't and I was practicing a form of what I call intuitive intermittent fasting, I was doing just that intuitively.

Dr. Dan Pompa (7:34)

Intuitively.

Dr. Tina Moore (7:35)

That's why that is really crazy.

Dr. Dan Pompa (7:37)

People say, well, what's your schedule? I said, no, I do it intuitively.

Dr. Tina Moore (7:40)

Yes.

Dr. Dan Pompa (7:40)

I said there's days where I eat one meal. There's days where I eat two meals in a six hour window. There's days where I don't eat, I never get hungry. And there's days where I am famished and I eat. My wife does it. She days she gets up and she's eating and there's days where she doesn't eat at all.

Dr. Tina Moore (7:56)

Well, and that's intuitive. That's me too. Where there would be days where again, I'm stressed, not now I'm pregnant, but when I wasn't pregnant there would be days and I found that it was syncing up with my cycle. So right before I was about to start my period, I would notice that I'd really ramp up and I would eat a lot more carbohydrates. And I just kind of let myself do it because I could tell my body really needed it.

Dr. Dan Pompa (8:16)

That's right.

Dr. Tina Moore (8:16)

And then after I would notice that I was really not that hungry and I wouldn't even, you know, it would be 2pm before I'd have lunch and I wouldn't even. Or breakfast before I even noticed that I hadn't eaten anything and I just wasn't really that hungry.

Dr. Dan Pompa (8:28)

And by the way, the hunger and the cravings of a week before a cycle is exactly that. It's. The body knows what it wants. Yeah. So you need carbohydrate, you need glucose and insulin to actually make a lot of hormone transitions. So conversion oftentimes doesn't happen happen unless you have a certain amount of insulin and you know, so you know, it's. The body knows what it's doing. So the feast before the cycle is really important. And then to your point, during the cycle you kind of lose your appetite. You could go through that. And again, a fast could be just water, or a fast could be what we call a partial fast, where you're eating just much less. Yeah, under a thousand calories a day and under 20 grams of protein is by definition a partial fast. And you still get the benefits of fasting. So I don't know, you know, how experienced your audience is with fasting, but there's a big benefit from fasting called autophagy. That means your body gets rid of the bad cells in your body. It needs energy. When you're not eating, your body still needs energy. And where does it get it? It's so smart that it doesn't take bad or good cells and eat them for energy. It takes bad cells. They're known as senescent cells, cells that live too long. Zombie cells, they live too long, they drive inflammation, they make us feel bad, they age us prematurely. Bad cells. So your body's so smart, it takes those and eats them out. So during a fast, you literally renew yourself. Here's the best part. It doesn't just get rid of that bad cell. It stimulates a stem cell and creates a new one.

Dr. Tina Moore (9:59)

That's awesome.

Dr. Dan Pompa (10:00)

I mean, isn't it? It's like that's why. So a lot of the cells that your body goes after first, especially people that have hyper immunity, are the senescent cells driving hyperimmunity. So it gets rid of those cells and, and then it creates a new naive immune cell. And so you can, by doing multiple fasts, you can lower that hyper immunity and build up better immunity through this process of autophagy and stem cell creation. Look, there's other benefits. You reset your microbiome, you starve down all bacteria, then you can repopulate good. After there's. You reset DNA through toxic stress, emotional stress, physical stress, we turn on bad genes. Well, the most scientific way to turn off bad genes is fast. It's like, so we were all designed to fast. The problem is people do too much of it. Fasting is a stress situation. Now when I say that, people think, well, isn't that bad? No. Exercise is stress. When you adapt to exercise, you get stronger, faster, et cetera, et cetera. The premise is hormesis. Fasting is the same Way, it's a stress. When you adapt to it, you get better, stronger, faster, better cells. If you don't adapt to exercise, you literally become weaker, you become, you know, fatter, you become. All these bad things happen. Fasting's no different. You have to adapt to it. Therefore, your amount of fasting, your amount of fasting is different than mine. In versa, your amount of high stress exercise. Let me use something that's very in vogue right now. Cold baths.

Dr. Tina Moore (11:32)

Oh, yeah.

Dr. Dan Pompa (11:32)

Is it two minutes or is it three? What temperature is that determined by your body's ability to adapt? A cold plunge only works if you adapt. And by the way, most people aren't adapting because people are doing them. They have thyroid conditions, this condition that can. They don't adapt. And by the way, women need a lot less.

Dr. Tina Moore (11:50)

Yeah.

Dr. Dan Pompa (11:51)

Time cold, because the key to it, the body thinks it's going to die. It hormonally optimizes if you adapt all these positive changes. If you don't adapt, you feel good after all the time, right? I feel great. But then later maybe you don't realize that the drop in the day, you didn't sleep good last night. You don't associate it because you felt so good after the cold bath and you didn't adapt and the cold bath became a negative. Exercise. Exercise too much. People do it all the time. That's why you should hire good trainers.

Dr. Tina Moore (12:22)

Yeah.

Dr. Dan Pompa (12:23)

Fasting is the same thing, is people are doing too much of it and they're not listening to the body. You listen to your body intuitively. You realize it was time to eat, time to pull back.

Dr. Tina Moore (12:33)

Yeah.

Dr. Dan Pompa (12:33)

And so people, you know, I have the five. One, one, I have, you know, three, two, two. I have all these strategies of giving people a way to do this because people don't listen to their body. So because I would in the beginning when I taught this, I was like, just listen to your body. You know, eat when you're hungry. Yeah, yeah. A lot of people can't do that.

Dr. Tina Moore (12:53)

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Dr. Dan Pompa (16:05)

It's disconnected from that innate intelligence.

Dr. Tina Moore (16:07)

Exactly. But I've always said, you know, when I started practicing intermittent fasting, I always said there was never a point where I was looking at the clock going, okay, I have like an hour left. I just refused to do that because to me that felt very unhealthy.

Dr. Dan Pompa (16:21)

Yeah.

Dr. Tina Moore (16:22)

And at that point then I just felt like, okay, I'm actively starving myself and this has to be bad for.

Dr. Dan Pompa (16:26)

My body when I'm intermittent fasting, I just, when, as soon as I get hungry, I eat. Now again, people be like, I'm hungry all the time. Right. Because their metabolism is so messy.

Dr. Tina Moore (16:36)

I need to heal the metabolism.

Dr. Dan Pompa (16:37)

You know, you can get there. I call it mitochondrial fitness. Right? You, you don't just jump into, you know, an Olympian athlete exercise program. You kind of work your way up slowly, right? If you're going to run a marathon, you don't run 26 and a half miles. You, you work your way up. Same with this, right? The more you, you know, you test your body, you know what? I'm gonna eat dinner instead at seven. I'm gonna eat it at five. All right, you just fasted two more hours. How did you do with that? Right? You know, actually, I'm getting used to that. Great. Push it out four hours and see what happens. Guess what? See now, now you're just, you're getting your mitochondria used to using your own fat as energy when you're not eating. Because most Americans, they don't have the ability to do that. Look, I don't want to bore people with biochemistry, but everyone will understand this. Your cells can only use two things for energy. Sugar or fat. We call it metabolic flexibility. Healthy people have the ability to use both when they're not eating. Like at night, when you're sleeping, your body will burn fat.

Dr. Tina Moore (17:33)

Yep.

Dr. Dan Pompa (17:34)

And by the way. And if you're hormonally broken with the inability to use fat, we call you sugar burners.

Dr. Tina Moore (17:41)

Yes.

Dr. Dan Pompa (17:42)

Sugar burners. It doesn't. You could be fat or skinny. Doesn't matter. Okay. Or normal weight. You could still be a sugar burner. What will happen when you're not eating is your body will break its muscle down into sugar because it can only use sugar as energy. And this is a hormone challenge. And we could talk about reasons why it happens, but what happens then is you're feeding off your muscles. So now your metabolism slows down. And these people will say, I don't eat that much, but I still can't lose this, you know? Well, it's because you're a sugar burner. You're breaking your muscle down. So you get a skinny fat look, right? And your body is, like I said, becoming more metabolically challenged. Or this happens. These are the people, it's not your fault. Trust me on this. These are the people that go, I can't stay on any diet. I fail on every diet. Well, I would argue urinate intelligence is actually smarter because it goes, wait a minute, I don't want to use my muscle because I might need it to fight or flight. So I'm going to give you a craving you can't resist.

Dr. Tina Moore (18:36)

Oh, damn.

Dr. Dan Pompa (18:36)

And then, and then it goes. So you go, ah, I'm gonna get the carbs. Because your body's so smart, it doesn't want to break the muscle down. Either way you lose. Okay, so the idea here is how do we get your mitochondria to become fat burners? Right. Sugar burner or fat burner? Yeah, you do it through these, pushing the envelope like exercise. That's why I call it mitochondrial fitness. So going a little bit longer without food, you know, and then all of a sudden you go, you know what? I'm not even hungry today. All of a sudden it's like three o' clock and you didn't eat. Then you eat. The problem is people get so used to this that they're eating one meal a day, every day.

Dr. Tina Moore (19:13)

And then it's mistake too far.

Dr. Dan Pompa (19:15)

Yeah. Or they're eating two meals a day and throw in every day, day in, day out, and your body's gonna think it's starving. It's not going to work long term, even though it works short term. So you need to feast. It's as important as the fast. But I believe fasting is amazing. Okay, but it's different for everybody. Okay, that's why don't do what I do. You know, if you're not able to listen to your body, then try three feast days and a couple fast days that are extended a little bit.

Dr. Tina Moore (19:42)

That's great advice. Okay. I feel like that's, that's tangible that people can actually use and hopefully apply that to themselves.

Dr. Dan Pompa (19:48)

And apply it to your cold plunging too. Yeah.

Dr. Tina Moore (19:50)

And that too. Well A lot of women have been talking about this because women are starting to, you know, pull back a little bit on cold plunging because they're feeling like it's having effect on their hormones.

Dr. Dan Pompa (19:59)

Yeah, it does. Yeah. I mean it, remember, it only works because it's a stress and if you adapt, it's positive. But again, if you're a woman in perimenopause, your adaptation is going to be less. And that doesn't make you broken, it's just, it just is your body's distracted. Like when I travel, I would never do a cold plunge because I'm more stressed. And I happened to me once, I did a cold plunge and I felt amazing and you know, happened the next day I got sick and I knew it was the cold plunge. You know, it's like. So yeah, you just have to understand these things apply to this premise of hormesis and I mentioned it. So I should say the premise. Biological systems, that's what we are, living things. If we stress it and it adapts, it gets stronger, faster, smarter, everything. But if it doesn't adapt, you become weaker, less. And exercise applies to this. Fasting applies to this. Cold plunges, hot saunas apply to this. Almost everything applies to this principle. So you have to listen to your body and where it is.

Dr. Tina Moore (20:56)

Exactly. I tell people this all the time. It doesn't matter what every expert is saying. Ultimately you have to check in with your body and see what works best for you. You can take little tangents and tidbits from people and obviously, you know, listen to the science that people are saying and, and listen to what they're sharing, that works for them. But ultimately, ultimately at the end of the day, you have to figure out what really works best for you in the, in that confinement. Right?

Dr. Dan Pompa (21:17)

Yep.

Dr. Tina Moore (21:17)

And I mean the fasting is a great example of this. If I hear a man talking about how he, you know, eats in a four hour window and he stops eating at 5pm and doesn't eat until, you know, what is it like 2pm the next day. That's not necessarily going to work for me. And so you really need to figure out what works best for you and for your body.

Dr. Dan Pompa (21:33)

Absolutely. You know, and then people will argue, you know, the thing of like eat five, six meals a day. The argument I have with that is you never give your body time to feed from itself.

Dr. Tina Moore (21:44)

Yes.

Dr. Dan Pompa (21:45)

You know, it's like, so again, on a feast day, eat five, six meals. Periodically eat five, six meals a day if you want. Right. And when I say meals, because they say I remember reading this. The average American eats 17 meals a day. I'm like, what. What are they saying? You know, they meant, like, they walk by the kitchen, they eat a handful of nuts.

Dr. Tina Moore (22:00)

Oh, I wouldn't consider that a meal.

Dr. Dan Pompa (22:02)

Right. But their point was, is that that little bit could stop your body from burning its own fat.

Dr. Tina Moore (22:08)

Okay.

Dr. Dan Pompa (22:08)

Because now it has to focus on the. The almonds. Right.

Dr. Tina Moore (22:10)

And so then you miss out. Yeah, so that makes sense because. So you miss out on all those beautiful opportunities for your body to flush out all those senescent cells, do the autophagy. And there's so many.

Dr. Dan Pompa (22:20)

Yeah, because when you're eating, metabolizing food is a very high stress to the body. It takes a lot of energy to do that. When you're doing that all day, it's not good. And there is beauty in when you're not eating. Your body does, in fact, rely on its stored fat. So it's, you know, it's a mechanism that works. You know, so again, few days of that, no problem every day of that. It's just as bad as eating one meal a day every day, or two meals at a small window every day. I could argue both sides.

Dr. Tina Moore (22:48)

Okay. I love that. I feel like that's great advice. So I want to. I want to go in a different direction a little bit because you have a personal story with this, and also I shared with you earlier that I feel like this is really going to resonate a lot with my audience. You suffered from metal toxicity in your 30s, and this really put you in your purpose. That's why your podcast is called From Pain to Purpose.

Dr. Dan Pompa (23:04)

Yeah.

Dr. Tina Moore (23:04)

Can you share your. Your story? What happened? How you figured that out? Because it was a bit of a. A struggle to figure that out in the first place.

Dr. Dan Pompa (23:11)

Yeah. It was three, four years of no answer. More like four. But, yeah. So, you know, life is. I always say, you know, I grew up very healthy. I, you know, I didn't eat fast food. I didn't eat McDonald's. My mother cooked every meal. Right. So way different today. Right? Yeah. So, you know, I. I grew up very healthy, but, you know, I also remember these, like, weird times of, like, I had, like, massive Candida, and I even remember having, like, in and out of, like, fatigue, even though I ate really good. And looking back, it was. I had mercury problems then. And so. But all of a sudden I was functioning at a very high level. I was training on my bike at a very high level, expert level cyclist. I was running a very busy practice. Two young kids at the time. Have five now. Life was very good. I was married. And then it wasn't. It started with fatigue, like so many people, Right. And then it was like I could just feel, like, my brain, which people would describe as brain fog, perhaps. Then it went to this weird anxiety. Then it went to insomnia. I couldn't get to sleep. Or if I did, I'd wake up middle. I couldn't get back to sleep like that. Never. What is going on? Right. Then it went to, like, all these weird food intolerances. Right. And then it went to sound sensitivity. Then it went to irritability, anxiety. Wow. Okay. So it was. I could. I could go on. But then I found myself, like most people. People looking for an answer. And like most people, though, it was like I focused on the typical symptoms that I was having. People go, as long as you have a thyroid condition. My hair was thinning. I was like, you know, no energy. Brain fog. And no doubt my thyroid wasn't functioning. You must have an adrenal condition because you're not adapting to stress. No doubt. I had adrenal problems. However, I addressed those for two years at least. And some things got better, other things not. But like many people, like, I did all I. My diet was perfect. This was. I was taking the best supplements, but I still wasn't.

Dr. Tina Moore (25:02)

Well, yeah.

Dr. Dan Pompa (25:03)

Anyways. Only to find out that I did. I had high levels of mercury in my pituitary hypothalamus. And that controls your thyroid?

Dr. Tina Moore (25:10)

Yeah.

Dr. Dan Pompa (25:11)

That controls your adrenals. That controls all your hormones. Right. And that controls a lot of things.

Dr. Tina Moore (25:16)

And how did you figure that out? That it was directly there?

Dr. Dan Pompa (25:19)

Yeah. Well, here's the funny thing. Even before mercury, I was like, you know what? Just based on what I was doing, bouncing around with the hormone stuff, I knew something's wrong with the control tower. I knew it. And then I was even taking these pituitary supplements, and honestly, they'd make me worse.

Dr. Tina Moore (25:37)

Interesting.

Dr. Dan Pompa (25:37)

Yeah. So I thought it was, like, Dang it. Like, I thought I had this figured out, right? Y. I'm dyslexic, so I have a brain. I can, like, absorb and remember a lot of information. But anyway, so I thought that was the answer I was working with. Oh, I was online. I have to tell this first. I was online, and I found Mad Hatter's disease. People making felt hats, they went mad. I had every symptom. I was a mad hatter. Oh, yeah. I was like, I had every symptom. Well, they were. They were lead in mercury, toxic. Many of them. Because they were using this in the process, Right?

Dr. Tina Moore (26:10)

Yeah.

Dr. Dan Pompa (26:10)

Anyway, so I went and got a blood test and it came out normal. And so that was very difficult. My mercury levels were normal. Okay, fast forward a year or so.

Dr. Tina Moore (26:21)

Okay, that's wild.

Dr. Dan Pompa (26:21)

And I'm very bright endocrinologist and chasing down the thyroid thing. And he said to me once, and this was after a while of dealing with me, I think you have mercury toxicity. I'm like, ah, yeah, I thought so too. I did the test. He goes, ah, no, that's wrong test. If, if you were getting exposed daily, it would show up in your blood, but I'm thinking it's more chronic. And I'm like, huh, where do you think I got, you know, did you have any dental work done around this when this all began? I'm like, maybe, because. And I'm thinking back, right. Anyway, so in my cycling journal, I was like, when did I. Yes, this fatigue start? Right. Anyways, lo and behold, I had two silver fillings, amalgam fillings. They contain 50 mercury. Those silver, typically they're dark by the time they're 25 years old. Anyways, I had them removed and it, my symptoms came after that, but it was gradual, so I never associated it with that. But. So that was it.

Dr. Tina Moore (27:15)

Your symptoms came after you had them removed?

Dr. Dan Pompa (27:17)

Yeah, because they vaporized.

Dr. Tina Moore (27:19)

They got.

Dr. Dan Pompa (27:19)

Yeah, Looking back, I was building it up over the years. And by the way, this is important, ladies. If you're watching, you are watching, but the number one cause of brain mercury happens in utero. So the numbers called the Drast study, It was the, the German study. The number of silver fillings in mom's mouth is proportional to how much mercury they found in the baby's brain in utero.

Dr. Tina Moore (27:44)

Wow.

Dr. Dan Pompa (27:45)

That was autopsy so very accurate.

Dr. Tina Moore (27:46)

Okay.

Dr. Dan Pompa (27:47)

Because there's no way without biopsy of measuring brain mercury and that. You asked the question, how did you know? That was a really good question. I knew symptom wise, but. And then I, I ended up doing a challenge test to see if it was in my tissue. Mercury didn't show up, but led in a lot of abnormal amounts of matter. You could tell my body was shut down. Down to it. And that's what he said. He was very clever as just a regular endocrinologist. I wouldn't say regular. No, he was a more natural endocrinologist. But he said, yeah, it's. It's in your brain, it's in your pituitary. I'm like, I knew something was going on there.

Dr. Tina Moore (28:17)

Wow.

Dr. Dan Pompa (28:18)

You know, and, and that's it. So once I, I got the rest of the fillings out and then I had to learn how to get it out of the body and out of the brain particularly. I spent a lot of time doing that because I did the mistakes most people made. I tried iv. I almost had to go to the hospital because I got very, very sick. Because what it does is an IV chelation puts a lot of chelator in and it works. It's good for acute exposure. It works that well. But what happens, it goes away. And then you have all this redistribution that happens. And that's what happened. When it first happened, I was like, I feel great. Oh my God. This is, you know, am I better?

Dr. Tina Moore (28:57)

Yeah, yeah.

Dr. Dan Pompa (28:58)

I went home and a boy bottle, you know, 15 hours later, I was off the deep end. And then I did. I was using cilantro corella. They're weak binders, unlike the chelator, and they cause a redistribution because they're not strong enough to pull it out. Made that mistake.

Dr. Tina Moore (29:14)

Yeah.

Dr. Dan Pompa (29:15)

So I was doing a lot. Trying to do saunas. Trying to do. And I was getting worse because I was getting a lot of redistribution.

Dr. Tina Moore (29:21)

So it wasn't actually getting out of your body.

Dr. Dan Pompa (29:23)

I was redistributing and more was crossing into my brain.

Dr. Tina Moore (29:26)

Okay.

Dr. Dan Pompa (29:26)

And that's what people do. So when people go, oh yeah, I did a heavy metal cleanse, I'm like.

Dr. Tina Moore (29:30)

Okay, did it actually address. So how do you actually get it out of your body then?

Dr. Dan Pompa (29:35)

So you have to use real chelators correctly. But chelators are just one part of a three part process that I teach. Chelators are so you don't redistribute, but you have to take them within their half life. It's sounds more scientific than it is. Meaning the blood levels have to stay up to a certain amount so you don't redistribute. The problem with the IV chelation, it has a lot and it goes away and then redistribution happens. So by taking certain oral chelators, you can keep the levels up and you don't get the redistribution. You can stay on it for a certain amount of days. So you don't get a lot of redistribution. So there's a strategy around that.

Dr. Tina Moore (30:12)

And the chelators are the ones that are pulling it out of the tissues, Correct?

Dr. Dan Pompa (30:15)

Well, they pour from the easy to get extracellularly, they don't go intracellularly. They're water soluble, which makes them really effective. Effective because they. Clear.

Dr. Tina Moore (30:24)

Yeah.

Dr. Dan Pompa (30:25)

Now here comes part one of Real detox, I always say, when I teach, real detox is really a cellular problem, an issue, meaning when someone like myself, what happened was my cell's ability to get rid of toxins, not just heavy metals, was very compromised. People in moldy homes, people would get hit with a lot of infections. Heavy metals, they're so hard to get rid of. It depletes the. The. All of the pathways in the cell that normally would get rid of toxins. So once those get depleted, you can use all the chelators you want. You're not going to get. Well, you have to fix that. So step one, we fix what's broken in the cell. Step two, we use chelators because when you start getting the cell, well, it'll start moving toxins out, and then you can reabsorb. That's where the chelators come in. So they prevent that reabsorption when they're used correctly.

Dr. Tina Moore (31:17)

Okay.

Dr. Dan Pompa (31:17)

And then a third step is a lot of the toxins end up coming out through the kidneys, the liver, the bile. Bile ends up dumping in the gut, and it carries a lot of these toxins. You have to use binders that don't leave the gut as a catcher's mitt to pull it out. So we use chelators and binders around the cell, in the gut, upregulating sulfate. That process is what I've taught doctors for 20 years.

Dr. Tina Moore (31:39)

And that's what really gets it out of the cells and then ultimately out of the body.

Dr. Dan Pompa (31:43)

Yeah. And that's. And then, then we start with a prep phase. We're preparing the cell and the downstream pathways for what we're going to do. And then we have a body phase where we just get the easy to get toxins, and that takes three months. And then we get into the brain phase, and that's where you're getting the deep stuff. See, neurotoxins like mercury, aluminum, forever chemicals. Yeah, These go deep and they stay in the body. They stay in the body.

Dr. Tina Moore (32:13)

Yeah.

Dr. Dan Pompa (32:13)

And. And that's why we talk. And this is a big thing. You know that you're all the legislation that's going on, and when the government makes a certain amount of a toxin, call it safe. What they don't understand is these are persistent toxins, meaning they stay in you and they accumulate. So what's safe for you is not safe for me. Once your cell pathways are compromised. Now almost any level you're accumulating, and that's when you get into trouble. That's when you say, I've done everything, I've changed my diet, I still can't lose weight. That's when you say, how come my friend did this and that and she's able to come off her thyroid medication. I'm feeling worse than ever. You know, you have persistent toxins accumulate in your tissue. You will not get well until you get to that. And it's not as simple as sitting in a sauna or doing the 10 day juice cleanse. You know, it's not that simple, that process. And I. Pain to purpose is my mantra. And because everything I've been teaching for the last, you know, whatever years has come out of that pain, I wouldn't know it. I wouldn't know any of it. And I always say I'm not even smart enough. I believe God gave it to me. And here's there's one more. Pain to purpose and the family mantras to a promise. When I was sick, my wife many times was on her knees begging mercy, I'm sure, and asking for a solution like most women or moms would be for their husband or vice versa. Yeah, this particular time, God spoke to her heart. Not only am I going to get him well, but he's going to take a message to the world. And when she tells it so much better because she'll say, look, I've, you know, I've heard from God like that one other time in my life. It's like awesome. And it wasn't an audible voice, but he spoke it into my heart. And my wife would come at me with that, with such certainty, I would get so mad because I would say I can't even get myself well. So for me it was just pressure. Like when she would say that that promise got her through. Okay, so God gave her that promise. And as I found out just, just like a few months ago when we were doing gratitude and it was for her birthday and then again at Thanksgiving, my two older sons said that promise that mom would say is what got us through because we just believed her. That's awesome. God's going to get dad well and he's going to take some kind of message to the world. Not sure, but it's like they held on to that promise. So pain to purpose to promise. And I say that because I believe, believe, you know, there's a problem. God has a promise for everyone. And it's like. And you know, you got to hang on to that, right? And if you're in pain, there's a purpose. But if you're in pain, there's not only a purpose. There's a promise.

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Dr. Dan Pompa (37:09)

Yeah, I mean, there's no way I would have figured that out, you know, and honestly, I know God led me to it. You know, it's like, you know. Yeah. I'm a dyslexic who couldn't read till the. Probably this eighth grade. So I labeled myself as dumb, false identity. And only to realize that that dyslexic brain had other superpowers I thought everyone could do. When I. When I did learn to read, I still read slow. I can't spell a lick, by the way, but I have this category in my brain of all these things, and I can hang on to it. I'm like, oh, yeah, that was on page 103. And that's my right from 10 years ago. So I was able to put all these things together and come up with what I teach. Right.

Dr. Tina Moore (37:49)

Well, it gives you your superpowers that you needed.

Dr. Dan Pompa (37:52)

My greatest insecurity. Yeah.

Dr. Tina Moore (37:53)

Yeah. That you needed specifically for what you. What you do best.

Dr. Dan Pompa (37:57)

Yeah.

Dr. Tina Moore (37:57)

That's so funny. I have a similar story. Not to. I'll just share it very quickly, but I struggled a lot in school, mainly because I. I went through some super traumatic stuff when I was a kid that I really needed to address and. But I spent a lot of my time going through middle school and high school just thinking I was really dumb. Like, similar as you, just because I. And it turns out that I actually was just so traumatized. I needed to do a lot of really deep emotional healing and work to get through some. Just some really, you know, painful experiences I'd been through. And I also just. I really needed to find my purpose. It turns out that for me, my brain is like, if I'm not interested in something, I could give a flip about it.

Dr. Dan Pompa (38:35)

Me too.

Dr. Tina Moore (38:35)

And I just am like. Like, I just, you know, with school, I was like, oh, I don't care about math. It just turns out I just didn't find what really lit me up.

Dr. Dan Pompa (38:43)

Yeah.

Dr. Tina Moore (38:44)

And then the second you throw me into nutrition, I mean, I have like a photographic memory with it and I. The things that I can remember when it comes to health and nutrition. And I mean, it's mind blowing, but it just goes to show that you really have to find what your superpower is and find out what you're most.

Dr. Dan Pompa (38:58)

Passionate about, you know, and when I, you know, I've had the opportunity to coach a lot of doctors, not just in what I teach, but also I do these masterminds. And I'm always teaching that you're like. Because people go, I don't even know if I'm in my purpose. I'm like always look for your purpose and your pain, you know, because just like you. Right. It was there. But, you know, it's amazing that the false identities, everyone listening to my voice right now, we live from false identities to some degree. And one of the things that I teach is your level of happiness in success. Not just financially, but like all the pillars of success. I think there's 12. Right. Like, you know, relationships. All of that success literally parallels your ability to, to function as close to your true identity as you can, meaning who functioning is who God created you to be. That doesn't happen overnight. There's an evolution to that. But when you look at people who are just missing it up in life and are really not happy, they're living out a false identity that was given to them. We all were given them by people who love us. Parents.

Dr. Tina Moore (40:05)

Our parents, mostly.

Dr. Dan Pompa (40:06)

Yeah, exactly. Coaches, teachers.

Dr. Tina Moore (40:08)

Yeah.

Dr. Dan Pompa (40:09)

I mean, especially, you know, other siblings, you know, but we then hold on to those. So every bad behavior as an adult, every insecurity came out of my dyslexia. I was raised in a very good family. I didn't have, you know, they say one out of three people has some type of sex, sexual abuse of some sort sometime in their life. Right? One out of three. That's amazing. Right? I mean, that's hard to believe, but it's true.

Dr. Tina Moore (40:30)

Yeah. That's crazy.

Dr. Dan Pompa (40:31)

Yeah. But anyways, I mean, so we can create false identities from anything, right? I, I do remember a few situations, someone calling me dumb. And one was on the playground and I was in fourth grade and I hit the sixth grader square in the nose. So I come say, he's laughing over there. But, but I did. I, you know, you end up compensating with like where you're a little bit better. Right. I always say I was a little faster, you know, and I was a little stronger. Right. Smarter. I didn't think I was, but anyways, you know, I, I think most of it though was self imposed. Meaning I labeled myself as dumb because when you can't read, I mean, you compare yourself to anyone. Surely I just must be dumb. Yeah, right. So that created a lot of insecurities, which created bad behavior as an adult. Right.

Dr. Tina Moore (41:14)

Well, what should have happened? You know, Hindsight is always 2020 is that someone should have had a conversation with you of like, no, this is just how your brain is. It just function, functions a little bit differently. It doesn't mean that you're dumb. You just your brain, you know?

Dr. Dan Pompa (41:25)

So my son Simon, my youngest, is, you know, dyslexic like I am. Right?

Dr. Tina Moore (41:30)

Yeah.

Dr. Dan Pompa (41:31)

And he always says, just give me one more label. Right? Because he's like. He's like dyslexic. Ocd, Right. He's amazing. But I. I've told him this forever. Like Simon. Because, like, he didn't make it past the sixth grade. Right. It's like, oh, like Simon, you. You'll see, like, so here's a father and a mother telling him, you're not stupid. You have dyslexia. I did, too. Watch what's going to happen. He didn't believe me, you know, Now. Now he's true. Yeah. So now he's in his 20s, though, and now, now he's coming into his superpowers and it's like. And he just said to me the other day, you mean, everyone can't do that? I'm like, oh, there it is. No, Simon. No one can do that. All like, you can do that, you know? So he's. Now he believes me. But, you know, but the wounds are still there, you know, he has wounds, man. He couldn't hang in any classroom, you know, I mean.

Dr. Tina Moore (42:17)

Yeah.

Dr. Dan Pompa (42:18)

Despite his. You know, you think your parents, they just love you, they're telling you all kinds of stuff that's not true.

Dr. Tina Moore (42:23)

That's true. Yeah. I feel like my parents were lying to me about a lot of things.

Dr. Dan Pompa (42:27)

Exactly. Right, right. But. But I'm like, no, I'm telling you it's true. So anyways, we went off topic.

Dr. Tina Moore (42:33)

No, but I loved that. And I feel. I feel like that's. That's. It's a great. It's a great part of your story, which is really interesting and fascinating to hear, and I think, too, it gives people a lot of hope. Because I see, like, you know, for me, for example, I always share my story and how hard it. How hard it was for me to get to the place that I'm at now, because I think so many people see. And I'm sure people do this to you where they. They see now, like, oh, you know, they have. I don't know, it's not about following, but let's say X amount of followers. And they have these big businesses and they help so many people and, you know, they're doing all this cool stuff and. And maybe they're thinking, oh, you know, I'm really struggling. I wish I could find my purpose. And to me more, I just see that as, like, they see us as living in our purpose is really what I mean. Right.

Dr. Dan Pompa (43:11)

We are.

Dr. Tina Moore (43:12)

And we are, but they also don't realize how. How hard it was to get there. And the only reason I say that is that if you're struggling, don't give up. Because I feel. I believe that everyone here has a purpose.

Dr. Dan Pompa (43:24)

I agree, too.

Dr. Tina Moore (43:25)

It's just a matter of. Of continuing to go down that path and figuring out whatever that purpose is and going with your heart. You know, everything that I did in my 20s was the exact opposite of what my parents wanted me to do. And I don't even mean necessarily in a rebellious way. It was just a. I didn't even have the words for it, but I was just kind of like, trust me, I know what I'm doing. It may not seem like I know what I'm doing, and there are some days where I actually don't know what I'm doing. But I'm just following my heart because I think that there's something here, and I think I'm onto something. But you got to trust me and you got to let me do this.

Dr. Dan Pompa (43:54)

Ah, it's so true. You know, let's. Let's close this loop with an action step, because people should share this, because there's so many people that are just not functioning in their true identity. And here's what I do in my masterminds. I have people timeline as far back as you can remember your first trauma or just something. And typically what you can remember, you know, are the first traumas. But there's traumas you don't remember. So I have a solution for that too. And then just timeline it out and do this over three days. Don't sit there for three days. You do it maybe for an hour. Think about it, set it aside, and for the next few days, pray about it, look at it, glance, and you'll start to remember more. But all of the things that happened to you that were embarrassing, significant, affected you, whatever it is. Maybe it was a physical trauma, emotional trauma and embarrassment or whatever. Label them out. And then on the other side, put all the victories you've had in your life, big things that you did or proud of or, you know, things that you were significant even to you. Maybe it was winning something. And write those victories down. And the reason why you do this is because in the pain is the purpose, and there's hints to your true identity. Let me give you an example. There was a book that transformed me called and David perceived you'd as king. If you know the story of David, and it's a real story. And David was just a shepherd boy and his brothers. He was born out of wedlock, the bastard son and his. He was treated as such. So he had a lot of false identities around it. And matter of fact, David screwed up Israel. I mean, he did everything wrong. He screwed up everything because he was functioning more from those false identities. And if you saw the house, the house of David, they really focus on that.

Dr. Tina Moore (45:38)

I heard that's a good show.

Dr. Dan Pompa (45:39)

Yeah, it's amazing. You can find it on prime, but they really focused on that. And, and you know, when you read it, it's. It takes a lot, you know, to kind of pull that out. But, you know, you have to understand, it's like, here's the way this situation went down. You know, here's Samuel. He's later in his years. He was the prophet of the day. And Samuel's late in his years. So anytime Samuel showed up at this time, it was bad news for Israel. He always prophesying bad because they were doing bad. So anyways, here he shows up at Jesse's house, that's David's father, and he says, I'm here. And when you hear Samuel's coming, you're not like, you're looking at like, what have I done wrong? Right? And he's here for a good thing. I'm going to anoint the next king of Israel. Of course, he brings out Elab. He's the first son out of, you know, out of his seven sons. And not even thinking of David brings out Elab. Nope, not the one next son. Nope, nope, nope. No, that's it. Oh, wait.

Dr. Tina Moore (46:34)

Oh, yeah, that can't be it.

Dr. Dan Pompa (46:36)

There's. Well, oh, well, David. See, he even think they couldn't have been David. That's how many wounds David had, right? I mean, he wasn't. He said, well, we're not even sitting down until you bring David. Anyway, David comes, he anoints him, right? But you know, David then goes through life still wounded, right? Even though he had this anointing on, that was his true identity, right?

Dr. Tina Moore (46:53)

Yeah.

Dr. Dan Pompa (46:54)

And, you know, but God allowed him to slay a lion and a bear, right? And those were wins, right? That's like when I said the timeline. You, you, you know, put those wins down. Because, see, in that there was true identity. He was a leader. He was someone extraordinary, right? And what happened now, David is one day up against Goliath and he anchored back to who he was and he was able to step up against something bigger, what everyone else was afraid of. But David, one day, here he is messing up Israel. He realized who he was. His true identity is the King of Israel. And he stepped into that role. And, man, it transformed David, but it transformed Israel. It transformed the world.

Dr. Tina Moore (47:30)

Yeah.

Dr. Dan Pompa (47:31)

And I believe on his deathbed, David realized even, you know, he realized that it was even beyond him into, obviously, Christ and, you know, through his lineage. Right. And. And, you know, our perception of who God created us to be, we all go through phases just like David. We all mess up just like David. We all do bad things just like David. Yeah. But it is stepping into that. And if David looked at his failures and he looked at his victories, you know, in that is the answer. And with those failures, they're not failures, they're lessons. But I. What I do is I. I pray about them all. And I say, lord, show me. Show me the victories or show me, you know, my true identity and all of this. And I go through and I pray about the victories, I pray about the hard stuff, and show me my purpose.

Dr. Tina Moore (48:17)

I love that. I love that. And, you know, obviously, we kind of went off tangent a little bit here, but I love it because I feel so passionate about this and about sharing about it, because I largely spent a lot of my twenties feeling pretty lost and feeling like I don't know what my purpose is. I don't want to do. I don't know what to do with my career. And like I said, I felt like looking back, it's so interesting, because looking back, there was something that was guiding me, but I just didn't know what it was. So at the time, I'm like, I'm confused. I don't know what's going on. And my point in sharing all this is essentially that I think that there are a lot of people that are really struggling with that. What's my purpose? How do I find it? What do I do? Because I get messages from. From people all the time that are, you know, that say, oh, I would love to do what you're doing. How did you get there? And it's so hard for me to explain. And I think everybody's path is so different because I'm like, there's not a single. There's not a way that I can explain it to you, because I had to go through so many trials and tribulations and. And following my heart in many ways.

Dr. Dan Pompa (49:11)

Yep, exactly. And again, looking at your victories and looking at the things that happen in your life will determine and give you a reflection of who God created you to be. That true identity and your purpose.

Dr. Tina Moore (49:22)

I love that so much. Okay, well, I want to go back into some of the cellular health Stuff because I know this is where you're really an expert. What are some of the first signs that people are starting to heal at a cellular level? How can, how do they know that what they're doing is actually really starting to work?

Dr. Dan Pompa (49:39)

Sometimes it's the opposite, you know? Yeah.

Dr. Tina Moore (49:41)

You feel like crap is when we're.

Dr. Dan Pompa (49:42)

Like start to upregulate cell functions. They start getting symptoms because their body starts dumping. Right. And sometimes we have to move them into what I call body phase faster to just make sure they don't redistribute. So, yeah, sometimes increasing cell function can detox you. Yes. But your mitochondria starts to work better and you start to gain energy. I have my five Rs of cellular healing and detox. And it's just a road map that I used to teach doctors on what to do.

Dr. Tina Moore (50:10)

Yeah.

Dr. Dan Pompa (50:11)

Our number one is you have to remove the sources in your life, otherwise you'll never fix the cell. Meaning if you're in a moldy home, you better do something about it, otherwise you're never going to feel well. Right. Silver film, whatever it is. Right. Sources remove source. R2 is regenerate your cell membranes. Your membranes determine the good that comes in and the bad that comes out. It's the gatekeeper. When you have a lot of toxins, they accumulate on these fatty membranes, they inflame and now they're rigid. And now you can't get the good in or the bad out. That's why something I teach, I'm passionate about fat, is because I teach something called lipid therapy, where we have to fix those membranes, getting rid of the bad fats, bringing in the good.

Dr. Tina Moore (50:51)

But anyways, that's phosphatidylcholine.

Dr. Dan Pompa (50:53)

Oh, yeah. One of the important fats. Fats.

Dr. Tina Moore (50:57)

Yeah.

Dr. Dan Pompa (50:57)

The membranes need. And the. You know, the. Even your hormone receptors rely. They sit on these membranes. Something called lipid wraps. Wraps made of fat?

Dr. Tina Moore (51:05)

Yeah.

Dr. Dan Pompa (51:05)

That just means they float there. But every hormone has to connect to that. And you can make your blood. This is really important. You can make your blood levels normal with hormones. Or in my case, I. I said I had all this thyroid challenges, you know, every time I went and got my blood work done, it was in within normal range.

Dr. Tina Moore (51:23)

Normal. Yeah.

Dr. Dan Pompa (51:24)

But I didn't need to talk about that too, Right? Yeah. And it's like what no one showed me was even though my blood was normal, my cells were so inflamed, thyroid couldn't get in the cell, so it didn't matter. So some people go and they go, oh, look, it's low. Eventually mine would have been. And they were given hormones, so they make the blood levels hormones. But hormones don't work in the blood, they work in the cell. So the fact is, you can make it normal, but if it can't get in the cell because toxins have inflamed it, you don't feel well. Nothing works. You don't lose weight, change diet. We already went down this. Right, so fixing that membrane also fixes these hormone receptors.

Dr. Tina Moore (52:00)

And fixing those membranes the way you do that, is it through that detoxification whole process that you just shared, or is there more to that as well? It's probably about putting in the good stuff too, right?

Dr. Dan Pompa (52:10)

It's about putting in the good and then removing. Getting rid of the toxins.

Dr. Tina Moore (52:14)

Yeah.

Dr. Dan Pompa (52:14)

Remember, R1 is removing the sources. My Instagram page is all about. About removing sources.

Dr. Tina Moore (52:18)

Yes. Yeah. You do a great job.

Dr. Dan Pompa (52:20)

Because I. I start what you can control.

Dr. Tina Moore (52:23)

Yes.

Dr. Dan Pompa (52:23)

You can control what laundry detergent you're washing your kid, which has all these endocrine disruptors and fragrances. It can contain chemicals you don't even know because they don't have to tell you exactly. Just get it out, doing them. That's what my page is about. But when you've accumulated these toxins, which we have in our lifetime, my process is what people need. Right?

Dr. Tina Moore (52:40)

Yes.

Dr. Dan Pompa (52:40)

So that mem. I teach whole seminars, weekend seminars, just on the membrane. And because there's the outer membrane where all your hormone receptors are, then you have your mitochondrial membrane. You don't make normal energy unless you fix that in toxins. It's so fragile, toxins disrupt it.

Dr. Tina Moore (52:55)

Yeah.

Dr. Dan Pompa (52:56)

So, you know, the fat conversation that we're going to have to have, it's all part of that lipid therapy. Right. So. And again, if we're only so easy to just take hormones and there's a time and a place, it's not when your cells are inflamed and it doesn't work, you know.

Dr. Tina Moore (53:11)

Well, because you need to get to the root cause.

Dr. Dan Pompa (53:13)

Exactly. Yeah.

Dr. Tina Moore (53:15)

I always use this analogy, is that, you know, if you have cockroaches that keep coming in your kitchen and you have crumbs and you just keep spraying. Raid. You're going to get rid of the cockroaches, but they're going to keep coming back because you're not getting rid of the crumbs. You got to get rid of the crumbs in the corner of your kitchen.

Dr. Dan Pompa (53:28)

Yeah.

Dr. Tina Moore (53:29)

You got to get rid of what is causing that in the first place. And then that's when you can finally get rid of the cockroaches or the, you know, the idiots issue.

Dr. Dan Pompa (53:36)

You know, the perfect analogy. And another analogy is like someone, they live next to a big dump, right? And they come in, they spray all the flies and you know, great problem solve. Flies are back. Flies. Until you get rid of the dump, you're not going to get rid of the flies. They're always going to come back. Right. The dump in this case is your sick body. But yeah, you know, anyway, so R3 is you have to restore cell energy. And that's a lot of the mitochondrial work that I do. But again, if you don't get the toxins out of your life, it's hard to fix the mitochondria. So it all goes back to R1 and then R4s. You have to reduce inflammation of the cell. A lot of my dietary strategies are. That's where we start, right?

Dr. Tina Moore (54:14)

Yeah.

Dr. Dan Pompa (54:15)

And then R5, this is a subject you know a lot about is you have to re establish methylation. Methylation is critical in removing toxins, detox pathways, toxic hormones. So many functions turning genes on and off, so reestablishing that you won't fix that cell and getting it doing what it needs until you do. So that became a road map of like, here's how we build a protocol. And so to answer your question of like, what. What happens when you start getting cellular health? Well, when those functions start coming on board, you know, your energy starts coming on board, you know, all of a sudden you're getting rid of toxic hormones. It's like, yeah, you know, it's like, I feel better. My brain fog disappears. I mean, that's what you get when you fix the cell.

Dr. Tina Moore (54:58)

Okay, I want to ask you about. Because we've been talking about some of the obvious things that are causing toxicity that people. That are pretty obvious, right? Like people know to test for plastics, plastics, stuff like that. Something that I came online to a couple years ago, which actually Ava and I were talking about this, which I know you work on, this is cavitations. And I don't think a lot of people know about this. And there's a direct link to, I know with breast cancer because there's that line directly to your breast from your jaw. Can we talk a little bit about that and what people need to do as far as testing that and what it even means?

Dr. Dan Pompa (55:30)

Yeah, it's a big driver of autoimmune and let's just say this unexplainable illness. When my following is about people who. I've done everything. I'm still sick. I don't know why. Right. They've typically been given a lot of labels. Right. So, yeah, that's the people that I help, you know, and my passions are because I was that person.

Dr. Tina Moore (55:47)

Right. Yeah.

Dr. Dan Pompa (55:48)

Pain to purpose. Here we go again. But, yeah, cavitations. It's estimated that 85% of chronic disease starts in the mouth. That's wild, isn't it?

Dr. Tina Moore (55:59)

It makes sense, though. It's directly connected.

Dr. Dan Pompa (56:02)

Well, you know, most mic. Most microbiome, gut problems is problematic here. Right. And so we get wisdom to. And by the way, a lot of this is because the way we do dentistry and we've learned a lot, it takes years to start changing what we do. And yeah, you know, I mean, silver fillings, that made me sick. Right. It's like, you know, they contain 50 mercury. Yeah. The ADA still won't admit they're bad.

Dr. Tina Moore (56:26)

I mean, really.

Dr. Dan Pompa (56:27)

But the funny thing is about that, that's silver filling that contains 50 mercury. It's called safe in your mouth. But the moment it comes out and hits the dental trail tray, then it's toxic. It's considered hazardous waste. Yeah. That is by all parameters, hazardous ways. And the moment before it goes in, it's considered hazardous way. It has to be handled with certain guidelines. OSHA guidelines are very strict on how you handle amalgam filling. Oh, but it's in your mouth. It's safe. Oh, no, it's worse. It's acid. It creates leeches. The life of the filling. Mercury's vaporizing into your brain. I mean, that's how dangerous they are. But that's just one exposure. I wore contact lenses in the, you know, 70s, 80s, early 90s. Thimerosal, a mercury derivative, going right into our brains.

Dr. Tina Moore (57:08)

And of course, do they still have thimerosal now?

Dr. Dan Pompa (57:12)

No, they got. Went out in the early 90s.

Dr. Tina Moore (57:13)

Okay. Wow.

Dr. Dan Pompa (57:15)

But the vaccine load that we get, I mean, all of these things, and we could talk about aluminum exposures today is off the chain. But anyways, the cavitations dentistry, we do some things wrong, right. So they take wisdom teeth out, it heals over. And we went up, we go about our business. The problem is it's not a normal thing just to yank wisdom teeth out. We had to do that because we chew differently. That's a whole nother story.

Dr. Tina Moore (57:39)

That's a whole other thing.

Dr. Dan Pompa (57:41)

Jaws got more narrow. He can't fit wisdom teeth anyways. We take them out and then it heals over. But these little Cavities are left. Think about a little caves. Okay, so we talked about like spraying the bugs, right? And you can spray the bugs, but they'll keep coming back. Well, these guys live in these cavities. And what happens is they chronically are leaching into your bloodstream because there's all this blood flow into there and anyways. And they weaken the immune system and they cause autoimmune and they also go down into the gut and decimate your bacteria. So all of these cavitations literally are infected. And now we have testing to go in and determine what bacteria. There we find all these nasty anaerobic bacteria. These are bacteria can live without oxygen. They're deadly. We find parasites, we find spirochetes like Lyme and all these unbelievable infections. We never knew they were there. My point is this, people go, I have all these infections. They're trying to do this killer that killer ozone therapies, antibiotics. And meanwhile they hide right here in this cave.

Dr. Tina Moore (58:48)

And they're just constantly causing more and.

Dr. Dan Pompa (58:50)

More infection, more and more infections, and they hide, they back up, they hide from the immune system.

Dr. Tina Moore (58:54)

Oh, in the biofilms, right?

Dr. Dan Pompa (58:55)

Yeah, in the bio diaphragms, in the cavitation. So when these people are sick, we have to locate these and we have to go in and decavitate. I say we. But we work with biological dentists around the country that do it. Right. Your average dentist doesn't even know how to look for them. Yeah, you can't see them on a regular X ray. You have to find them on something called a cone beam. C O N E B e a M. One word. Cone beam. It's a 3D X ray. And then the dentist has to be trained on how to identify them because it has to that have a special software that goes around different angles and goes. Oh, there it is. You didn't see it from this angle. You didn't see it. You saw it from this angle. And they see the lucency. And then they have, they go in and they draw in there and infection pours out. If you ever saw. And I've watched many of these surgeries, it's like black oil comes out sometimes other colors, but it's pretty disgusting.

Dr. Tina Moore (59:50)

Wow.

Dr. Dan Pompa (59:51)

Here's a crazy thing I'll tell you. I could tell you a few stories. Ava was one of them. You met, you knew Ava, right?

Dr. Tina Moore (59:56)

Yeah, that's where she told me.

Dr. Dan Pompa (59:57)

Start with her. Yeah, so I. She was my client and I wasn't going to take her on as a client. And because I didn't like taking teenagers on. They typically don't do what it takes. Right.

Dr. Tina Moore (60:09)

Yeah.

Dr. Dan Pompa (60:10)

I could tell within short order of conversation this one was going to. Right. So I took her on age 17 and I was working with her for a year or so and I missed it. She had all of her wisdom teeth. These things typically happen in areas where teeth were removed. Wisdom teeth the most. She had no teeth removed and still had her wisdom teeth. I didn't think to do a cone beam because she was struggling. She just wasn't getting well. Like I always say when I'm training doctors, if someone's not progressing as they should, there's still something upstream. Meaning there's still something going on. Maybe they're in a multi home unknown. Maybe they have one of these infections. Etc.

Dr. Tina Moore (60:46)

Yeah.

Dr. Dan Pompa (60:46)

So I, I said, I don't know what it was, but I said, you know what, let's get a cone beam anyway. Even though you have your wisdom teeth. So we did and one of the dentists looked at it and said, I think there might be an infection behind this one wisdom teeth. I'm gonna go in this. I don't like the position of it. Anyway, he found a shitload of infection.

Dr. Tina Moore (61:08)

Wow.

Dr. Dan Pompa (61:08)

Took it out. And then he went into another area that was just suspect. Found more infection.

Dr. Tina Moore (61:14)

Wow.

Dr. Dan Pompa (61:15)

So I think she had two areas that were pretty severe. She left there. Her knee pain, hip pain all went. Went away, went away out the door. Here's the crazy thing. They decavitated back then. They weren't doing bone graft and they weren't doing like bone graph with something called prf. It's a technique to make sure it heals over and heals bones hard to build vertical bone. Okay. Anyway. And she said to me, it's back there. It's back. How do you know my knee pain's back? I know it. I know it's back because it went away. They did a cone beam and it looked okay, but they were like. I convinced them go in. Anyway, she's convinced it was reinfected.

Dr. Tina Moore (61:55)

Oh my God. Anyway, she really went through it.

Dr. Dan Pompa (61:58)

Yeah. And that happened a few times. She knew every time because her pain came out. So. Okay, you know, here, here. So I learned a lesson there. Even so their wisdom teeth do a cone beam anyway. So now if someone's like sick and you can't figure out what, you do a cone beam. But. So this guy Tommy, 21 years of liver pain and pain throughout his body. Weird. And fatigue and a lot of other symptoms. But Tommy had the means to go everywhere. He went to every clinic alternative. Before that, he went to Mayo. Matter of fact, soda cheap, by the way. They. They had. They were going everywhere.

Dr. Tina Moore (62:29)

Yeah.

Dr. Dan Pompa (62:30)

And anyway, so we discovered on a cone beam, he had cavitation. He went to Dr. Jerry in New York, and he gets it done. He texts me on the way out, Dan, is it possible that my pain is completely gone, is not going to come back? Because right now it's gone. I'm like, I don't know, maybe I got. It was like, I don't know. Maybe I will see. And yeah, he. He never has had that pain again. The liver pain disappeared.

Dr. Tina Moore (62:56)

That is so crazy. Isn't that crazy?

Dr. Dan Pompa (62:58)

You know, people describe it when they get rid of these infections. Like in the chair, people will say, I felt reconnected to my body. They describe it like a spiritual experience. And that's something called a meridian. Every tooth numbered 32 is numbered and connected to different meridians. So, like, you know, tooth, 1, 2, 3, 4. You can know that neurologically they're connected to different part of their body. That particular one was connected to her knees, and it was exact meridian. Go on. Google tooth meridian charts.

Dr. Tina Moore (63:29)

Okay, that's.

Dr. Dan Pompa (63:29)

Wow. In the exact tooth, she was connected to her knee and the. On the side of the knee. And breast cancer, you mentioned it.

Dr. Tina Moore (63:37)

Yeah.

Dr. Dan Pompa (63:37)

On the side of the infection. Could be a root canal, too, by the way.

Dr. Tina Moore (63:40)

Oh, yeah.

Dr. Dan Pompa (63:41)

On the side of the infection, whether it be a cavitation or root canal. On the side of breast cancer. Cancer, right. Nerve meridians.

Dr. Tina Moore (63:46)

Yeah.

Dr. Dan Pompa (63:47)

When people describe that reconnected their body, that's that nerve meridian. It's like a circle breaker. You know, you go down to your breaker goes off, you put it on, the light comes on. That's what they experience.

Dr. Tina Moore (63:57)

Wow.

Dr. Dan Pompa (63:57)

Isn't that crazy? As soon as that infection comes out, they feel that like, whoa, what was that?

Dr. Tina Moore (64:02)

I mean, that's cool. And I love this because, you know, I think there's so many people that are suffering and they feel like they've done everything, you know, they've seen multiple doctors. I think I see messages from people all the time. I don't know what to do anymore. I've seen multiple functional medicine doctors. We've done so many tests. I've done gut tests, I've done urine tests. You know, I've done the whole gamut of it, and they're still sick. And their lab work virtually looks perfect.

Dr. Dan Pompa (64:24)

I know, Courtney, I. I criticize. I have a lot of critique for functional medicine right now because I feel like we're More into the fancy testing and all this and that and the biohacks. There's a place for all of it, but. And we've moved away from getting to cause we need to look into people's homes. I can't tell you how many people are sick. And I go, listen, I. You know, you might have mold. And there's a certain pattern, right, that these infection people take on. Mold people, heavy metal people. Right. And I have something called a neurotoxic questionnaire that really dials it in. But anyways, yeah, I'm like, check your home. Oh, no, I had it tested. It's fine. They do an air test. 99 of them are negative. Right. Let my. One of my guys come in. You know, we have people like, we have the dentists around the country, they come in and they find it. Right?

Dr. Tina Moore (65:14)

Yeah.

Dr. Dan Pompa (65:14)

And then once we get them away from our number one, remove the source, now the body is able to detox, now they start healing. Right.

Dr. Tina Moore (65:22)

So have you ever seen a specific pathway like that for psoriasis where you feel like a lot of people that deal with psoriasis, there's this one or two things you kind of see.

Dr. Dan Pompa (65:32)

You know, we.

Dr. Tina Moore (65:32)

A pattern.

Dr. Dan Pompa (65:33)

We, yes, we simply go, oh, psoriasis is just. It's a gut microbiome issue. Yeah, but see, there's always something upstream, further from a gut issue. If it were only so easy to take probiotic and eat fermented food and fix the gut. Everyone watching this is going, yeah, we did all that, right?

Dr. Tina Moore (65:52)

Yeah.

Dr. Dan Pompa (65:53)

No, because as I said, these infections here affect the gut. Infections here can drive psoriasis. And yes, the gut's part of it. And so there, there's also. When it comes on abruptly, we look at mold. If it comes on, it's more of a slow autoimmune related thing. Then, you know, we look at other stressors and that could even be heavy metals.

Dr. Tina Moore (66:17)

Interesting. Okay. Because my husband has been struggling with psoriasis and we've been, we've been on a journey trying to figure out what the root cause is. And we so not figured it out.

Dr. Dan Pompa (66:27)

He could have accumulated heavy metals from his.

Dr. Tina Moore (66:31)

Maybe even in utero.

Dr. Dan Pompa (66:33)

Yeah, lead. The number one cause of lead toxicity, which is linked to psoriasis and other skin problems is. Mom, Lead is stored in the bone. Our parents grew up hard in the lead generation. I mean, it was in gasoline, you know, I mean, it was everywhere. They stored it in the bone. And the problem is when you're pregnant, it's normal to lose bone estrogen. Like, it's just normal. It's part of the process. But out comes the lead into utero.

Dr. Tina Moore (66:59)

Yeah.

Dr. Dan Pompa (67:00)

And then. So they carry it through their life, and then they get their own exposures. And then I. I say, look for the perfect storm. And now you put a cavitation on top of that. Now you have a perfect storm.

Dr. Tina Moore (67:12)

Yeah.

Dr. Dan Pompa (67:13)

And even if this wasn't what started it, it was the metal slowing down the detox pathways, and now the body can't deal with this stress. So you can have a cavitation for years, and your body's healthy enough to deal with it. Right. Meaning it adapts. We talked about this.

Dr. Tina Moore (67:27)

Yeah.

Dr. Dan Pompa (67:28)

It's adapting to that stress, and it's dealing with it until it's not. Until you move into the moldy home. And now it has that. The cavitation and the lead you accumulated, three stressors, three storms come together. Catastrophic storm. It's called the perfect storm. That's what we hear when we hear people that their life, they can't figure it out. We. I train my doctors to look for a perfect storm. Did they accumulate metals somehow? Because they, you know, through life, you hold on to them. Do they have infection here? Are they living in a moldy home? Do they have an emotional trauma that's part of this perfect storm? All of it needs to be evaluated and dealt with.

Dr. Tina Moore (68:05)

Yeah.

Dr. Dan Pompa (68:05)

And then the body will heal. So if someone is not well or getting well, something's keeping that immune system triggered. And it's some stressor upstream.

Dr. Tina Moore (68:16)

Yeah, I love that. So we keep talking about metals. I'm very curious. When we look at dentistry and a lot of kiddos are getting braces, retainers, a lot of metal in their mouths, you know, around middle school. Are we setting them up for neurotoxicity, first of all?

Dr. Dan Pompa (68:31)

Yeah. Any metal in the mouth, the brain hates.

Dr. Tina Moore (68:34)

Yeah.

Dr. Dan Pompa (68:34)

It's when you have two metals in a mouth, that's. It's a battery.

Dr. Tina Moore (68:40)

Yeah.

Dr. Dan Pompa (68:40)

And you put it in an acid. That is what, a battery. So you have a battery effect. It's measurable, you know, I mean, you can put the probes in a mouth and measure, take the metal out, and you go, oh, well, you don't think that's affecting the brain? When I was sick, they measured, man, I was off the chain, like, because I had gold and I still had silver fillings. Two silver fillings on this side. Damn, my electrical current. It was like he showed it to me, and then he says, watch this. He took the gold filling out. He. The silver was still in in my charge went boom. Because that, those two opposing metals. It's called galvanism, by the way.

Dr. Tina Moore (69:14)

Oh, yeah.

Dr. Dan Pompa (69:15)

And they create this battery charge.

Dr. Tina Moore (69:17)

They could have plugged you into a car and charged the car, but when.

Dr. Dan Pompa (69:21)

When that one metal came out and that that charge went down, that was the first time I slept through the night.

Dr. Tina Moore (69:27)

Oh, my God. Wow.

Dr. Dan Pompa (69:28)

And that like a level of anxiety left. I mean, I, I, I wasn't cured because I still had so much mercury in my brain, but it was noticeable difference. So not a fan. Now they have ceramic braces. But, you know, orthodontistry is changing because now they're spreading the jaw. They're, they're not forcing teeth into a position like they are.

Dr. Tina Moore (69:47)

Yeah. They're doing the palate expanders right now.

Dr. Dan Pompa (69:50)

Orthodontistry is in a major, major change. And they're looking at airway and, you know, all these other things. But. Yeah. So not a fan. I mean, you know, porcelain is your better option.

Dr. Tina Moore (70:01)

Okay. I was gonna ask.

Dr. Dan Pompa (70:02)

Yeah.

Dr. Tina Moore (70:02)

And is that for also for fillings as well or fillings.

Dr. Dan Pompa (70:05)

Porcelain is the most inert.

Dr. Tina Moore (70:07)

Okay.

Dr. Dan Pompa (70:08)

Best titanium implants. No. Now it's all ceramic. I did not get an implant where I had my root canal taken out. And I did that because I read root canals are bad.

Dr. Tina Moore (70:17)

Yeah.

Dr. Dan Pompa (70:17)

And, and how the. Every root canal is bad. Every root canal has a level of infection that your body has to deal with until it can't. We already had that conversation. And, But I wouldn't get it because that all this did back then was titanium. So I have a zircon. It's a real. It's the strongest form of ceramic zirconium oxide zircon. And it's a bridge. But if, when this fails, it will. I'll get a zircon implant and then have a permanent tooth on that.

Dr. Tina Moore (70:45)

Got it. Okay. So there's a lot for people, a lot of different avenues for people to go down if they're suffering and looking for answers, which I think is really great. Something that we kind of touched on. But I want to talk about this further because I think it's really important. So you've been talking a lot about the importance of the cell membrane and fats. And I'm thinking, okay, well, 60 of Americans diets is mostly comprised or. Sorry, it's 20. 20 of Americans diets are comprised of these seed oils, these super inflammatory oils. What is your thought, your take on seed oils?

Dr. Dan Pompa (71:16)

I don't eat them.

Dr. Tina Moore (71:17)

Yeah.

Dr. Dan Pompa (71:17)

Now, again, I, I say this. I love seed oil in Seeds and vegetable oil, you know, canola oil. Right. I mean, vegetable oil. I love vegetable oil in vegetables. Right. But the moment it comes out, it goes potentially rancid. The scientific term of that is adulterated. And so there's omega 3 and omega 6 fats in seed oil or seeds. And it's very healthy. Right?

Dr. Tina Moore (71:42)

Yeah.

Dr. Dan Pompa (71:43)

But when these fats become denatured, bad rancid, whatever you want to say, they still make their way into your cell membranes, which. Omega 6 that we could talk about has gotten a lot of bad press because arguably people percentage wise have way too much Omega 6. You know, if you spot one ratio one to four. But, you know, in nature there's a span one to one to maybe one to six max, maybe one to five. It's argued. But anyways, there's a span of ratio of omega three to omega six.

Dr. Tina Moore (72:11)

Yep.

Dr. Dan Pompa (72:12)

Six being the. More like the. The four, if you will. Omega three being the one in nature. If you just eat natural, you'll never go outside of that ratio. But people today, because they're ingesting all these oils, have a 1:20 to 1 ratio of omega 6. It's not good. Not good. But because of that, omega 6 got a bad rap. But it's so important in the membrane that these rancid ones go there and it disrupts that membrane. I already said that disrupts your hormones.

Dr. Tina Moore (72:38)

Yeah.

Dr. Dan Pompa (72:38)

Creates brain fog, energy loss. Right. And it inflames it. You can't get your good nutrition in. So now your supplements don't even work. Right. Diet changes don't work. You can't get toxins out. The cell slowly accumulates toxins, wearing down the ability to get rid of toxins, so it builds up even more. Then your bad genes get turned on. Yes, all of that. So I talked about toxins being a big culprit. But so are these bad fats. They're toxins.

Dr. Tina Moore (73:03)

Yeah.

Dr. Dan Pompa (73:04)

That have a magnet into the membrane because that's where they belong. But so now that denatured cell goes there and the cell loses its ability to function. And that's why they're so disruptive. But here's the worst news of all. The worst news of all. If you eat sugar, you. And I hate sugar. Yeah, Right. Well, your body burns it. You have the ice cream or the sugar thing. Your body has an ability to burn it, especially when you're, you know, healthy. And it goes away. These fats don't. So they don't affect you from a few hours, like sugar. They don't affect you for A few days. They don't affect you for a few months. The latest study. Two years.

Dr. Tina Moore (73:42)

Yep. They don't leave the body for two years.

Dr. Dan Pompa (73:44)

Yeah, exactly. So you're talking about that. The reason that is is because they accumulate in, in the cells, in the membranes and therefore they're creating cellular dysfunction for potentially two years. So I'll make an exception and eat some sugar for dessert, but I will never make an exception on eating these rancid seed oils.

Dr. Tina Moore (74:05)

Yeah.

Dr. Dan Pompa (74:06)

Could a seed oil be cold pressed perfectly and, you know, be okay? Yeah. But that's not what you're getting in the potato chips, the pretzels, the.

Dr. Tina Moore (74:16)

I mean, French fries.

Dr. Dan Pompa (74:17)

French fries. When you go to Whole Foods, if you go down the.

Dr. Tina Moore (74:20)

Their entire hot bar.

Dr. Dan Pompa (74:22)

Yeah, the whole. It's all canola oil.

Dr. Tina Moore (74:23)

I know, I know.

Dr. Dan Pompa (74:24)

It's disgusting. And most of the foods in the aisles, they, they have, have seed oils in them too.

Dr. Tina Moore (74:29)

Yeah.

Dr. Dan Pompa (74:30)

So, you know, just because you're at a whole food paying premium dollar doesn't mean you're not getting exposed. And you need to get these things out of your diet. This is one of the things that you and your family can do Monday if you. I don't know what day it is, but I don't know why we always say Monday, because we're at seminars, you know, and you go back from the seminar, start this Monday, but you literally just say, I'm not going to buy a processed food with a seed oil. Again. It.

Dr. Tina Moore (74:51)

Yeah.

Dr. Dan Pompa (74:51)

What are the vegetable oil. Not that's a seed, but vegetable. Canola, corn oil, soy oil, safflower oil, sunflower oil.

Dr. Tina Moore (75:00)

Did we say soybean corn oil?

Dr. Dan Pompa (75:01)

Yeah, there's like seven of the top ones, but avoid those.

Dr. Tina Moore (75:06)

Yes, exactly. Those are incredibly inflammatory. They're not good for you. I want to ask you about cholesterol because I know that you say it's not the villain and I know that we're starting to finally, thank God, have a larger conversation about cholesterol and maybe we got it wrong. What did we get wrong? Wrong about cholesterol, I got a lot wrong.

Dr. Dan Pompa (75:24)

First of all, total cholesterol. There's no study that shows that total cholesterol actually is linked to heart disease. Okay. And that's not, that's not my opinion. The Cochrane Collaboration, this is a group that if you want to prove something right or wrong, Cochrane's does it. And here's why. They look at every study that they can find on the subject. Okay, maybe it's 2,000, 3,000 studies. Then they narrow it down to what they would call a good study. Who did the study? How is it done? They evaluate the methodology. This is what they do.

Dr. Tina Moore (75:58)

Yeah.

Dr. Dan Pompa (75:59)

And then they come out with. Then they evaluate maybe these 10 studies that they pass their criteria, and then they make a judgment on it. There's no better way.

Dr. Tina Moore (76:09)

Yeah.

Dr. Dan Pompa (76:09)

And I can tell you this, that there's no scientific evidence that total cholesterol is actually linked to heart disease. Okay. It gets worse. Okay. So. And there's been the Farmington study. I mean, this is not my opinion. Ldl, the bad cholesterol. I'm going to make the argument that it's the most important cholesterol. And I'm not saying HDL is not important. It is. But LDL is at the top of the hormone chain, meaning that you are hormonally healthy. When you have higher levels of ldl, you make in. When we take statins and do things to lower ldl, and then we end up in big trouble hormonally.

Dr. Tina Moore (76:45)

Yeah. Okay, so it's bad for your brain.

Dr. Dan Pompa (76:46)

It's bad for your brain. Cholesterol is the most important fat for the brain. You know, what's next? Saturated fat. So here's the funny thing. If I on the street and I've done this, I went to New York and interviewed people on the street. You should do it.

Dr. Tina Moore (76:57)

Oh, I need to do that. Yeah.

Dr. Dan Pompa (77:00)

It's fun, too, right? And you say, what's the worst? What's the worst fat? They'll say, cholesterol. That's saturated fat. It's like those are the two. Yeah. The best, the most important for your brain, your. Your cell membranes, even. Right. I mean, like, so important, right?

Dr. Tina Moore (77:13)

Yes.

Dr. Dan Pompa (77:13)

Anyway, so it's kind of funny because that's what, you know, bad information has done. You know, low fat days have caused all this cholesterol kill. You know, cholesterol is so important. You know, by the way, normal cholesterol used to be 350, then they lowered it to 300, then it was 250, and now it's like you'll end up on a dang statin if you're over 200.

Dr. Tina Moore (77:32)

You know who's doing that, though? It's a pharmaceutical companies, because they want to sell more statins. This is like they continue to lower the threshold because then you. You come in and your doctor goes up. Time for a statin.

Dr. Dan Pompa (77:42)

$50 billion industry.

Dr. Tina Moore (77:44)

Y.

Dr. Dan Pompa (77:44)

You know, and shareholders are built like, you better damn well come up with another reason to give a statin. They were actually giving it to him for a While. For memory issues, when it caused brain problems.

Dr. Tina Moore (77:53)

Oh, my God. When we're seeing such a rise in Alzheimer's and dementia. I think it's linked. Well, we do. We have studies to show that it's linked to the statins.

Dr. Dan Pompa (78:01)

Absolutely. I mean, listen, we are not saying anyone to come off or come on. Anyone. No, no, no. Yeah.

Dr. Tina Moore (78:07)

Definitely not saying that.

Dr. Dan Pompa (78:08)

But what I'm saying is you better not take your doctor's word on this. It's your life. It's your health, and you better look at the studies on this, because statins. Yeah, okay. You know, here. Here's what matters. Okay, I give you a great analogy, because people, when I. There's something called particles, okay? Cholesterol doesn't just float around your body, your blood. It needs a vehicle to carry it. Okay? So that's the particle. So when people say, is there anything about cholesterol that matters? Well, there is. Okay? So the. The number of particles that carry cholesterol. When that gets too many, it's inflammatory because the real cause of heart disease is inflammation.

Dr. Tina Moore (78:45)

Exactly.

Dr. Dan Pompa (78:46)

It's not cholesterol. Let's be clear. Okay? Now the size of the particle matters. So here's the analogy. Think of the particle as a car. So it's carrying the people. That's the cholesterol. Okay? You got the vision. So the car is the particle. The people are the cholesterol. Okay? So let me ask this question. What matters more in a traffic jam? The number of people in the car or the number of cars?

Dr. Tina Moore (79:06)

It's a great point. It's the number of cars.

Dr. Dan Pompa (79:08)

Yeah. People in the cars is irrelevant. It's irrelevant. So how. We're measuring your total LDL as an example, we're looking at how full the particles are, and that's giving us the measurement. So high cholesterol is a particle that's really full. You have too many full particles. Right. So we're looking at a car loaded of people saying, oh, my gosh, that's horrible. It doesn't make the traffic jam worse. The number of cars does. So that's. If you have too many particles, that's a problem. And the size of the particle matters. Small particles get in to the luma. That's the arterial wall. And they can drive inflammation. Bigger particles, fluffy particles are better. And that's what carries into your hormones. So we can measure the size and the number of particles. Particles.

Dr. Tina Moore (79:51)

So what should people actually be looking at? Because I will tell you, and I've been hearing a lot of stories from people having similar Experiences where. When I started eating more red meat, because we've demonized red meat for so long. Right. And saturated fats and cholesterol.

Dr. Dan Pompa (80:03)

It's all. It's all.

Dr. Tina Moore (80:04)

Exactly. Avoid all of that. We saw my LDL levels rise just a little bit, but my doctor said she actually wasn't concerned about that at all because she was looking at, you know, my crp, which is my inflammation markers, and she was looking at.

Dr. Dan Pompa (80:16)

Look at.

Dr. Tina Moore (80:16)

Okay, so she was looking at other things and she goes, I'm not worried about this. Your LDL is a little bit higher, but. But I know that you're eating more red meat and your inflammation markers are really low, and that's really what we should be looking for.

Dr. Dan Pompa (80:27)

Yeah. If that's right, because your cholesterol went up, arguably you immediately started doing better on hormonally, you know, your brain started doing better.

Dr. Tina Moore (80:35)

Oh, my health has significantly, drastically gotten better since, by the way.

Dr. Dan Pompa (80:39)

My father, you know, he somehow he was just, you know, he was this guy from, you know, Italy. His grandfather came over from Italy. Right. He was born when he got here, so he knew nothing about health. He was a marine. He was a bricklayer. It's like. But he just always got it right, you know, he didn't, like, he was like, yeah, we're not vaccinating this kid anymore. Because I, like, was putting up a fuss, right. It's like, he just knew it. He would throw antibiotics away. I never took an antibac in my life. It's like, wow. Yeah. My kids either. My kids. And they're grown up now, right? It's like, so they never have.

Dr. Tina Moore (81:11)

It's an anomaly in this day and age.

Dr. Dan Pompa (81:13)

Just a philosophy. It's like, yeah, because we. I grew up from my father. Sickness is good. Your body's getting healthier. So no wonder. My thing with COVID was, let's get covered. Let's get it in there. It came from my father, the. The Italian bricklayer, but, you know, he had three hundreds, almost 400 cholesterol his whole life. The doctors were always trying to put him on a medication, I bet wouldn't do it. Right.

Dr. Tina Moore (81:35)

Yeah.

Dr. Dan Pompa (81:35)

And his heart functioned his whole life. Right. The smoking, lung, cancer got him.

Dr. Tina Moore (81:39)

Yeah.

Dr. Dan Pompa (81:40)

But irrelevant of this cholesterol that was going to kill him and never did, you know, but look, you know, it's. The information out there is. Is so bad around cholesterol, and I. I think that it's. It's a really deadly position right now that we're forcing cholesterol down. It Affects your brain, it affects your joints, it affects your liver.

Dr. Tina Moore (81:57)

Yeah. Well, I'll tell you, this story always makes me so mad and simultaneously kind of makes me laugh because it's just such a joke. So Hector's dad unfortunately had a heart attack last year. Thank God he survived. And afterwards they put him through a program. The hospital puts you through a program after you've had a heart attack where they teach you nutrition. And a registered dietitian comes in and they teach you, you know, the dash diet. Well, so I've been, you know, I've been helping his dad because of course he's getting all this horrible information and he goes into one of these sessions and his dietitian goes off about how canola oil, oh, it's so hard, healthy for you and you want to cook with canola oil and it's saturated fats. Exactly. It's so good for you, especially post heart attack. And his dad raises his hand and goes, well, my daughter in law has actually been telling me that canola oil is really inflammatory and it's actually really bad for you. And I should be avoiding that. This dietitian was so triggered. Not only did she go off on this like 10 minute tangent about how healthy it was, the following week came in with a 30 minute presentation on, on how healthy, healthy canola oil is for you. And this is to a room of people that have had heart attacks and she's pushing this canola oil on them. And I just, it, God, it just makes me so mad because the medical system has this so backwards and they refuse to change their stance on it.

Dr. Dan Pompa (83:11)

Polyunsaturated fats, you know, again, could be good when they're protected. And where you get them from here, this is very controversial. This will go viral for you. This is wonderful. I hate fish oil.

Dr. Tina Moore (83:23)

Okay, please tell me about this.

Dr. Dan Pompa (83:24)

Yeah. Okay, so I love fish oil and fish. Same point. Okay, so you look at when they say polyunsaturated, like that means nothing to people. Okay. But you're looking at the amount of double bonds in a fat. Okay, so poly means many double bonds. Yeah. Saturated means no double bonds. Okay, it's saturated, no double bonds. Right. So we know this, things like lard, tallow, you can fry and you can deep fry in those and not denature them. They're hydrogenated. There's no double bonds. And then you go up, you have a monounsaturated fat, olive oil, it takes heat a little bit better. But we can still make it go bad, right? Yeah, you can still, you shouldn't fry. In olive oil, you shouldn't go over certain temperatures. Right. Because it has a polyunsaturated fat. Let's go up the chain a little bit. Two and three double bonds. Now we enter into seed oils. More fragile.

Dr. Tina Moore (84:14)

Yeah.

Dr. Dan Pompa (84:14)

Okay. You know, that's not my opinion. This is the science. More fragile. So we have to be more careful with seed oils. That's why you're better off leaving them in seeds. Even though you could potentially press it cold press it, not could it in light, keep it in the right temperature and it could be okay and consume.

Dr. Tina Moore (84:30)

It pretty quickly because they go rancid as they.

Dr. Dan Pompa (84:32)

Yeah. So it could be okay. Right. Put in a processed food, guaranteed bad. Okay. And that's where we're getting our bad exposures mostly. Right. Fish oil, guess how many double bonds. Five and six.

Dr. Tina Moore (84:44)

Oh, wow.

Dr. Dan Pompa (84:44)

Yeah. More fragile than seed oils, people. So I mean it's like the experts that really know about this will tell you it goes rancid the moment it enters your mouth. It's meant for a cold water fish. You know, it's like it is absolutely goes rancid. It can't even handle your own body temperature. That's all bad. And your body immediately has to start using anti. Antioxidants and, and you know, it's like, it's crazy. So at some level it's going rancid as it's going in. It's like fish oil is bad.

Dr. Tina Moore (85:12)

So what is the solution if you want to make sure you have a good amount of omega 3s and omega 6s.

Dr. Dan Pompa (85:17)

Okay, first of all, omega 3 is in plenty of foods, right?

Dr. Tina Moore (85:19)

Yeah.

Dr. Dan Pompa (85:19)

Grass fed meat, you know, grass fed butter, Omega. Even seeds, right? Not seeds, omega 3. Right. There's a lot of foods, even certain vegetables. Right. So you get a Omega 3 and Omega 6 and a lot of different foods they're coming called the parent oils. Omega 3 and Omega 6. What is not? And they're essential. Essential meaning we need them. Okay. Your body can't make them. DHA that you get from fish is not essential. Your body makes it. Well, of course it's not because most of the population doesn't live near sea, near water.

Dr. Tina Moore (85:47)

Exactly.

Dr. Dan Pompa (85:48)

Cold water, they don't live, you know, near there. And in warm water fish, they don't have DHA or you know, too little to matter. Right. So that's why cold water, big fish in the ocean have so much dhea. And be clear, I'm not saying it's bad. Right. I love it in fish. Eat salmon. I think There's a lot of benefits to this. Right. But the fact is, is that your body has the ability to make it. Now people will argue. Yeah, but that conversion gets hindered in some people. You know that that is true, right? It can in some people. They don't convert. Well, you know, there's, there's debating science there, but I, I think that there's some, some truth to it. You can take things like something called ahi flour, which gives you DHEA in its non rancid form. It's not a fish oil, you know, I mean so, you know, there's obviously, you know, some other things you can do, some algaes you can eat that are, take heat better.

Dr. Tina Moore (86:38)

Yeah.

Dr. Dan Pompa (86:38)

You know, things like that. But yeah, so your body has the ability to make DHA and you don't need a lot of it. And when you take fish oil, they say some of the biggest damages, you're taking a pharmacological overdose.

Dr. Tina Moore (86:50)

Yeah. You're taking too much.

Dr. Dan Pompa (86:51)

Too much and it becomes way out of balance.

Dr. Tina Moore (86:54)

Yeah.

Dr. Dan Pompa (86:54)

And it becomes really damaging.

Dr. Tina Moore (86:55)

Fascinating. Okay. You have had the best explanation of that for me because I've been, It's funny, they're in, in this nutrition world right now. We're kind of debating back and forth whether or not we should be taking fish oil because you know, on one end of the spectrum the traditional science says, oh, you really need it, it's incredibly important for you and especially for your brain and you know, your hormones and everything. But then on the opposite spectrum now people are starting to speak out and say, well, it's rancid. And so everyone's kind of going, look.

Dr. Dan Pompa (87:20)

Who doing the studies on positive fish oil. I mentioned Cochrane Collaboration. Yes, challenge me on this Cockro. And collaboration has done several studies on this and you know what they find every time and for different things. They did it for cancer, they did it for colon cancer, they did it for, you know, many, many.

Dr. Tina Moore (87:37)

They've done one on fluoride too. Cochrane.

Dr. Dan Pompa (87:40)

Yeah, Cochrane, yeah. And they took all these studies, they brought it down just as I explained earlier. And every one of them, not only do they find no benefit, it's the opposite. It caused increases in cancer. It caused. It's not good. And again, it's not my opinion Cochrane did these studies.

Dr. Tina Moore (87:57)

So what do you say about. Because so I heard this and then I stopped taking fish oil. And then there's a certain brand who I love and trust, so I don't want to name them because I just, I love their products and I think they're Amazing. They get theirs from caviar and they say that theirs is different and then it's not rancid and it's. Since it's a different form because it has those. What does it have in there? The SMPs, is that what they're called?

Dr. Dan Pompa (88:19)

They have a more protective. So I might argue like in this Astaxanthin, Right?

Dr. Tina Moore (88:24)

Yes, yeah.

Dr. Dan Pompa (88:25)

That you could get it to, you know, the source intact because there's protective measures around it. It's kind of mimicking being in the caviar, right?

Dr. Tina Moore (88:35)

Yeah.

Dr. Dan Pompa (88:36)

In the fish.

Dr. Tina Moore (88:36)

Yeah.

Dr. Dan Pompa (88:37)

But the problem is, is what happens when it goes in your body. Right. So that's where the, the study would have to be done. Is there enough of it to protect it through, you know, through your system, through your gi. I don't know the answer.

Dr. Tina Moore (88:49)

Okay, well, I think we need to.

Dr. Dan Pompa (88:51)

Continue if you can afford it.

Dr. Tina Moore (88:53)

Yes.

Dr. Dan Pompa (88:53)

I mean, it's loaded with, you know, again, I mean, not just dha, but I mean, you know, all kinds of essential fatty acids that are very important.

Dr. Tina Moore (89:01)

Yeah. They, Everyone keeps telling me I need to eat it while pregnant, which I need to get over. I, I do like it, but I'm, I'm, I'm kind of on the fence where it kind of eat like, I don't know, it just eeks me a little bit.

Dr. Dan Pompa (89:11)

I'm like, yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah.

Dr. Tina Moore (89:13)

But I think it's good. So I do need to be eating it more. What are three foods people think are healthy but are actually wrecking their cellular health?

Dr. Dan Pompa (89:20)

Oh, God, I love that. Three foods that are. And people think that are healthy. Yeah. Okay. Ah, there's a, there's a lot. But let's, let's be more clever. Right. I, we, we mentioned it. I don't know if we mentioned this or mine. Gluten free products.

Dr. Tina Moore (89:35)

Yes.

Dr. Dan Pompa (89:36)

Yeah. They think they're healthy. And again, I'm not making. I mean, some people have to eat gluten free, so. But the gluten free products, they're putting a lot of super sugars and it raises glucose and they're putting all kinds of other chemicals in it and you.

Dr. Tina Moore (89:49)

Know, they're high in glyphosate.

Dr. Dan Pompa (89:50)

It's become the new marketing strategy for junk food.

Dr. Tina Moore (89:53)

Yes.

Dr. Dan Pompa (89:54)

So. And then there's cassava flour in a lot of them, which contains arsenic and heavy metals because it's concentrated. The roots come from the ground and it says. So. Yeah, that's one right there.

Dr. Tina Moore (90:03)

Yeah.

Dr. Dan Pompa (90:04)

Okay. That, that's one. You know, I, I think that a lot of things Are now labeled. And. And I stole this from you. Right. It's like on the front of the label is the billboard.

Dr. Tina Moore (90:17)

Yeah.

Dr. Dan Pompa (90:17)

So I'm always cautious of what they're putting on the billboard. People will use organic and they think it's healthy. Flip it over. And it's a list of long ingredients. Right. And it's a list of other things. So be cautious of these things when you think it's healthy, you know, and it. And it's not. Here's a big one that probably a lot of people are, you know, are guilty of diet sodas, you know, because they think, oh, I'm. I need this for my weight. I don't want to put on weight. I'm a fear of gaining weight. And. And I. I always make this joke if you ask people, and I do, why are you drinking that? They never say they're. They're afraid of getting fat or they want to lose weight or, you know. No, they say because they like to taste better. It's because the artificial sweeteners in the diet sodas are more addictive for the brain. And I believe them. They do like it more the first time you drink it. You don't. But then you get addicted. Literally at the level of the brain. They're excitotoxins, and the addiction's great. So you are drinking it. You're not lying because you like it more, but the reality is you started drinking it because you're afraid to gain weight. It's opposite. Studies show that it actually cause weight gain.

Dr. Tina Moore (91:19)

And you know that they're addicted because they defend it to the death.

Dr. Dan Pompa (91:23)

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Dr. Tina Moore (91:24)

You try to talk to somebody about diet soda, and they get so defensive about it.

Dr. Dan Pompa (91:28)

It's more addictive than regular soda. I'm not making an argument for either.

Dr. Tina Moore (91:31)

Yeah, exactly.

Dr. Dan Pompa (91:31)

Those are the three.

Dr. Tina Moore (91:32)

Okay, I love that. What's one thing destroying people's health today that almost no doctor is screening for?

Dr. Dan Pompa (91:39)

Cavitation. Those are the infections. Even most dentists aren't screening for it. And it's. That's decimating health.

Dr. Tina Moore (91:45)

Yes. Yeah. Okay, so go get cavitations, find a biological dentist, and do a cone beam scan.

Dr. Dan Pompa (91:51)

Yep.

Dr. Tina Moore (91:52)

Love that. What are the hidden everyday exposures you believe are silently destroying people's health?

Dr. Dan Pompa (91:58)

Cavitations.

Dr. Tina Moore (91:59)

Okay.

Dr. Dan Pompa (91:59)

Silent killer root canals. I'll put them in the same category as hidden infections in the mouth mold. Because people. You don't see it, it's hidden. You don't smell it. When you live there, I might walk in your house and smell it.

Dr. Tina Moore (92:12)

Yeah.

Dr. Dan Pompa (92:13)

But it grows in dark places. It's literally evil. I hate mold. And it's one of those things that people will say, I tested for it because they did an air test and it's behind the wall, so they're not actually testing. So I absolutely despise, despise it. And we, you know, we talked a lot about heavy metals because here's the killer here. They did a blood test, like I did a urine test or a hair test. They said, oh, I'm, I'm fine. Or they do it and they do a little bit of detox and they think they're okay. And the fact is, it's accumulated in your brain and deeper tissues for years. And when I work with people, I teach them the process so they can do it long enough to actually matter.

Dr. Tina Moore (92:55)

Why are so many women today struggling with hormones even though their labs look normal? What's really happening there, man?

Dr. Dan Pompa (93:01)

We nailed this one earlier just by chance, but yeah, because so many women have cellular inflammation driven by bad fats that we discussed and toxins. Right. And your receptors to hormones are on those membranes. When they're inflamed, you damage those receptors. Think about it, it's like a cell phone. If you're in a room, the cement walls, this is not working. Even if you have a fifteen hundred dollar cell phone. Useless.

Dr. Tina Moore (93:25)

Yeah.

Dr. Dan Pompa (93:26)

Okay. It has to get through the wall to that receptor, the cell phone tower that's out there. Once it does, communication works no different than the hormone has to connect to that cell phone tower on your membrane, get its message in, you feel great, everything's wonderful. But when it's not, you can make those blood levels normal, or they could be normal, like in my case, and you go, oh, I don't feel well. Yeah, that's why.

Dr. Tina Moore (93:49)

And there's so many people that are struggling with this. You know, they'll go and get their labs checked and then doctors will say, well, they're normal. I do want to say this actually though, the what but what is defined as normal now is really changing because the, the average of the American population is really sick.

Dr. Dan Pompa (94:05)

Yeah, that's true.

Dr. Tina Moore (94:06)

So we're also basing this off of numbers of people that are, are sick. And so the average has changed. And now what is so common is considered to be normal, but it's not normal. It's just because it's so common.

Dr. Dan Pompa (94:17)

Exactly. That's the problem with really almost any blood test, right?

Dr. Tina Moore (94:21)

Yeah.

Dr. Dan Pompa (94:21)

Because you start to look at the average in skinning, like, I guess that's going like this yeah.

Dr. Tina Moore (94:25)

Yeah. Well, this was so awesome. I feel like we covered so much ground. I'm so grateful for your time. Thank you so much for coming on.

Dr. Dan Pompa (94:32)

Thanks for having me.

Dr. Tina Moore (94:33)

Yeah. And please let everybody know where they can find you. Make sure that everybody goes goes and follows him on Instagram.

Dr. Dan Pompa (94:38)

Dr. Pompa. That's my Instagram, right? Dr. Palma. D r P O M P A and that's my website. And you can go if you want to watch a whole webinar I did on the cell. There's no charge for it, but go to pompaprogram.com you can watch it.

Dr. Tina Moore (94:52)

Awesome. Thank you so much for the work that you're putting out there. You're helping so many people and I love doing it. Thank you so much for listening to the Real Foodology Podcast. This is a Wellness Loud production produced by Drake Peterson. Theme song is by Georgie. You can watch the full video version of this podcast inside the Spotify app or on YouTube. As always, you can leave us a voicemail by clicking the link in our bio. And if you like this episode, please rate and review on your podcast app. For more shows by my team, go to wellnessloud.com see you next next time. The content of this show is for educational and informational purposes only. It is not a substitute for individual medical and mental health advice and doesn't constitute a provider patient relationship. I am a nutritionist, but I am not your nutritionist. As always, talk to your doctor or your health team first. Are you ready to rock middle age? I'm Dr. Tina Moore, Gen X truth teller and holistic physician. On the Dr. Tina show, one of.

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