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Detox Protocols: How to Remove Seed Oils from the Body, Good Fats vs Bad Fats, + Supplement Recommendations | BodyBio
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Real Foodology Host
On today's episode of the Real Foodology.
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Dr. Christine Profetta
Podcast, we have to be aware of the environment and the toxins and all the things that we can be doing to keep ourselves healthy to stave off this onslaught of need for pharmaceutical.
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Jessica Cain Berman
So when we talk about, you know, hormonal dysregulation or pcos or endometriosis, all of these things, they're being driven by the world that we live in and how can we actually approach it and fix it?
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Dr. Christine Profetta
Hello, friends.
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Real Foodology Host
Welcome back to another episode of the Real Foodology podcast. I have two guests today, Jessica Cain Berman and Dr. Christine. This is such a fascinating episode. This is one of those episodes where I learn so much in such a small amount of time.
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Dr. Christine Profetta
So Jess's grandfather actually started the company.
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Real Foodology Host
Body Bio, and now she is continuing.
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Dr. Christine Profetta
On the legacy with her amazing products.
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Real Foodology Host
Which we talk more about in the episode. More specifically, we talk about a specific supplement that I take every single day called PC. If you follow my Instagram, you have probably seen me talk about it. I am so stoked about this particular supplement. This is one of those supplements that I do not go a single day without taking. They sent me a chart a couple months ago showing a patient that they had on the Body Bio PC and all of his numbers went down in his body for glyphosate exposure, heavy metals, bpa, phthalates.
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Dr. Christine Profetta
There was so many different ones on.
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Real Foodology Host
There and I was sold. This is everything that I'm worried about being exposed to and this is how your body can detoxify it, because we can do all the things right. We can eat organic and not eat out of plastic, but at the end of the day, it's inevitable that we just, we get exposed to some of this stuff. I'm a huge fan of PC and it was amazing to talk to Jess. We also talk about her thoughts on seed oils, and it's a really good one. So y'all definitely want to stick around.
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Dr. Christine Profetta
And listen to that.
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Real Foodology Host
And then Dr. Profetta is an amazing doctor who's been working with sleep celebrities and really high profile people for a very long time.
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Dr. Christine Profetta
She is like the doctor to go.
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Real Foodology Host
To if you're dealing with Lyme disease or other chronic diseases. She talks about autism, has helped patients that have been diagnosed with autism. She has a lot to say about infertility and parasites as well. And she has a whole protocol that she puts all of her patients on. And it's really fascinating to hear all about it. The people around her and people that I know personally that have seen her just speak so highly of her and the work that she does that she is just like top tier, like incredible. Dr. So very excited for y'all to hear this episode. Stay tuned for a code if y'all want to try out Body Bio products. As always, if you're loving the episode, if you could take a moment to rate and review it, it would mean so much to me. Tag me on Instagram if you're loving this particular episode. I try to get back to all of your messages. I see you. I appreciate you so much. Thank you all so much for the support. Fall is here and that means it's time to cozy up with something special. I'm excited to share that Organifi has made their pumpkin spice even better than before. With an enhanced flavor and effectiveness, this limited edition blend is the tastiest way to wind down in the evening. Imagine a smoother, creamier taste and texture that wraps you in warmth, bringing you all the nostalgia of autumn with every sip. But it's not just about the flavor. This delicious pumpkin spice blend is packed with relaxing and soothing ingredients that promote restful sleep and nourish your body after a long day. You'll get the same amazing superfood benefits you know and love now with even more ingredients designed to help you unwind. Organifi Gold is perfect for your relaxing evening routine. While you can enjoy these superfoods anytime, it's a great addition to your nighttime routine. This creamy adaptogenic tea features lemon balm, ginger, pumpkin spice and mushrooms, all containing essential micronutrient, nutrients and best of all, zero sugar. This unique blend works synergistically to support restful sleep recovery and a healthy response to stress. All essential for a great night's rest. So why not indulge in the taste of nostalgia this autumn? Make Organifi Pumpkin Spice a delightful part of your evening. Wind down. Head to www.organifi.com Real Foodology and use code Real Foodology for 20 off your order. That's O R-G-A-N-I-F-I.com Real Foodology Trust me, your cozy evenings will never be the same with cold and flu season right around the corner. I'm always on the hunt for ways to strengthen my immune health, and I found something that has truly changed the game for me. Armor Colostrum. I've been using it for a while now and honestly, I feel like I've unlocked a new level of vitality. Armor Colostrum is a bioactive whole food, not a supp, and it's packed with over 400 functional nutrients. It strengthens your immune barriers, your body's first line of defense against harmful particles from the environment that can make you sick. Since I started using it, I've noticed my immunity feels fortified, my gut health is better, and even my energy levels are up. What's more, 80% of your immune cells live in your gut. And armor helps to strengthen all four layers of your gut wall. That's crucial during cold and flu season. It's also packed with immunoglobulins. These are antibodies that help block harmful viruses and bacteria from entering your system. Now, here's the best part. I worked out a special deal for my listeners. You can get 15% off your first order@tryarmra.com real foodology. Or just enter Real Foodology at checkout. That's T R Y A r m r a dot com real foodology.
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Dr. Christine Profetta
Well, Jess, Dr. Perfetta, I'm so happy to have you on the podcast today. Thank you so much for coming on. Yeah. So, Dr. Perfetta, I was telling you a little bit before we started recording that I'm not super aware of your work, actually, and I'm so excited for my audience to hear about this. We got connected through my really good friend Iman. And let me tell you, nobody has ever given a more beautiful review of somebody. I was like, oh, my God, I need to see her as like, can you be my doctor? Because it was incredible. So thank you so much. So for my audience, can you let people know a little bit about your background and what it is actually that you do in the health space as a doctor?
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Absolutely. So. So almost two decades worth of practice and effectively really carved out a niche in the complex chronic illness space. What I would define our practice today as is precision medicine based. That's probably the most academic description of, you know, a very deep dive into epigenetics. I study the microbiome, kind of all the. All the pillars of what in turn becomes wellness. And that's something that we could touch on a little bit today, which is the disease model, labeling diseases versus recovering people, giving them the empowerment and the tools to stay healthy and well. And so the practice itself, the rebranding of my medical institute into the Perfetta Institute is in part to pivot into the longevity space, because the very fundamental principles of how we recover somebody and get them better from whatever they're coming with in terms of diseases is in fact what you need to do to stave off the aging process. It's the same exact concept. It's Just flipped into a different, you know, like a perspective.
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Wow. Yeah. That's amazing. So. And it comes from a preventative model as well, which is amazing. And I feel like we've been stuck in this sick care model for so long where it's just a pill for every ill. Right. It's like, oh, you have these symptoms. I'm gonna match these symptoms with a pill. And this is what I love. What you're doing is you're actually looking at the body as a whole and going, okay, well, but what's actually happening in the body here? Like, why are you having all these symptoms? I don't want to just throw a pill at that. Like, let's get to the root of this. And I. So many people are struggling right now. I mean, I don't know a single friend that's not dealing with at least one chronic disease. And I have friends that are dealing with mold poisoning and parasites. And like, I mean, the list goes on. Cancer. I have a friend, 33 years old, that was just diagnosed with cancer a year ago. It's absolutely wild. So in your experience in working with these patients, one on one, what are you actually seeing as far as, like, what we're dealing with?
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So a lot of it goes back to some of the other things we'll talk about today, which are the toxins in the environment and how some of the body bioproducts are so instrumental in helping us protect ourselves against that. So I think everybody's aware of the fact that the environmental burden of toxicity has gone through the roof. The problem is what is the translation of that into clinical care? And one of the problems is that the medical paradigm is so driven by the pharma model. Right. So that's how we were trained. That's how I was trained. Right. Two times a surgeon, and now in the field that I'm in and very much driven. Driven by, effectively, you listen for the symptoms that equal a certain disease state, you run tests, they do or do not equal X hypothesis, and then you qualify for a certain drug. But that doesn't say anything about where it came from. And so the goal is to try to understand the root inflammatory issues and or immunological, like, impediments to fully able. Being able to recover. So one of the fundamental tenants that I speak about often is I genuinely believe we're meant to be. Well, I do not believe that we need to follow radical radicalism is a thing that's out there now, right? You have to do all of this or all of that. I don't believe that. I believe we're meant to be in balance with our environment and we can achieve a sense of optimal wellness. So that's kind of where you have to start in believing you can get patients back to that place.
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Yeah, absolutely. And from your perspective, who or what is the youngest patient that you've seen? Because I think this is also really important because I think the goalposts keep moving. Right. Whereas, like, when I was younger, I didn't know a single kid with an allergy. I also didn't really know anybody with cancer. And that's not saying that it didn't exist. That's not what I'm saying. But it just feels like the goalpost keeps moving further and further back. And to me, that's an indication that something's really wrong, 100%.
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And we even touched earlier on this fact that it's not just early diagnostics. That's a ridiculous. That's ridiculous pseudoscience statement. It's not. It's just a plain fact. I mean, I have three children today. Now, they're older, in their teen years, but, you know, I basically say to them on a daily basis, you're not getting a pill to take your homework or to do your homework. You know, and that's, unfortunately, has become a very common thing, is that children today, I think the statistics are something like 1 in 4 or 1 in 5 children are on chronic pharmaceuticals. And it's probably even more than that at this point. The number is just going through the roof. So we have no sense of what that's doing to the later years of mental health development. Right. There is not a single study. I can't tell you the number of younger adults, older adolescents, that have come so upset that they were put on medications without their say in the matter and went through developmental periods. And they have absolutely no sense of what their brain will become as a result of that. And, you know, it's not meant to be a scare or fear tactic. That's not my style. My whole style is one of empowerment. But to that point, we have to be aware of the environment and the toxins and all the things that we can be doing to keep ourselves healthy to stave off this onslaught of need for pharmaceutical.
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So you brought up something that a lot of my girlfriends have been very vocal about and really upset, is that when we were younger, 12, 13, 14, everyone was put on birth control. I actually remember this very vividly because I was being influenced by my girlfriends. I was never one that, like, thank God I didn't have horrible periods. Like, I didn't really have cramps when I was little. I didn't have acne. But all of my girlfriends were put on birth control. And I was jealous because they'd have these little pill packs every day. And I was like, oh, my God, this is so cool.
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And they were, like, pink and blabbering.
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Jessica Cain Berman
It was totally amazing.
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Dr. Christine Profetta
It was literally a thing. And they'd have little alarms going off, and they're, you know, like, they had a little alarm thing. And like, in college when we finally had, like, phones. But I remember being like, oh, my God, this is so cool. I'm gonna be part of this club. And my mom was like, absolutely not. I am so grateful because I never really ended up on birth control. I finally. I think this was my saving grace is that I think a lot of girls are put on it when they're, like, 13. Their brains haven't fully developed yet to know, like, oh, wait, I don't feel that great in my body. Like, I feel wonky. My hormones are kind of crazy. They're not. I don't want to say all of them aren't, but I think majority of them are not making that connection. Whereas me, I was saved. And I didn't start birth control until I was 21 or 22. And I immediately was like, whoa, I do not like this. I didn't even finish the pack. I was like, who. I feel like this is not me. I don't know who this person is. I'm a monster. My hormones are crazy. So I feel very grateful that I completely missed all of that. But now I have all these girlfriends that are coming off birth control, having been on it for 10, 15 years, and so many women are dealing with infertility now. And it makes me so mad because we.
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Real Foodology Host
Yeah, we're.
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Dr. Christine Profetta
We're putting kids on these medications, and birth control is just one. One option that we're talking about here. Right? Like, there's a lot of things happening there in your expertise. Do you feel like I'm going to go a little bit? Because I also want to talk about infertility. Do you think that this is probably partially causing infertility because they've been shutting off their hormones for so long?
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I think infertility is coming from a whole bunch of different things, but I definitely think that that could certainly be part of it, because most of the, you know, the different forms of synthetic estrogen are just that they're synthetic, so they're not human estrogen. And, you know, we really don't have the full picture of, you know, when we run studies on medications, they're very focused studies. They're not looking at the whole organism and other system, other body systems. And that's one of the biggest issues that I have, if you want to call it an issue with how studies are done, is that they're looking singularly at their outcome, right. And they're putting it up against the outcome they're looking for and then any untoward effects, et cetera, but they're not looking at the whole organism and other things that might be affected, other organ systems that might be affected. So that's one of the issues in terms of the studies. But in terms of infertility, it's coming at us from a whole host of different ways. And I would say toxins and really quite frankly the dysregulation of the microbiome. And if we're really going to get into the weeds, it has a lot to do with Candida and other fungal elements that are becoming more and more of a problem today because of wi fi exposure, EMFs, toxins, the overuse of antibiotics, the pill, steroids, everything that's hammering our gut and not allowing this healthy bacterial milieu that is what causes anti inflammatory effects. And then that's where a lot of the hormones start to go awry.
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Dr. Christine Profetta
So I've never heard this before, so let's dive into that. And I was going to add one more thing. I also, I definitely think it's multifaceted. Right. And I think part of it too is the phthalates in our food and our water too. Oh yeah, this is really interesting. I've never heard this before about the candida and the gut. Now it makes sense to me because I know that a lot of our hormones are made in our gut and there's a direct connection there. But can you dive more into that? So what do you think the candida is doing on a cellular level?
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Yeah, so candida is very, it's. So it's, it's important to think of this yeast mold, fungus. They're not exactly the same terms, but they can be used for this conversation almost interchangeably. So candida is what's considered a commensal mold or fungi in the gut, a little bit like the commensal bacteria which are referred to as Probiotics. Right. A lot of them. And that means that they're residing within us naturally. But the thing about the fungi or the molds that we harbor or even others that we can acquire is that they have two different life forms. They have a spore form that's sort of dormant. A lot like if you drive along and you're not going to see mushrooms growing unless it gets very damp. Mushrooms grow from the spores that are in the soil. So that's the same concept where we can have what are called mycelium. And the hyphal form, that's the growth form. And it's very inflammatory. It has a charge to it. So it binds heavy metals and toxins and phthalates and all sorts of pesticides. So when they're growing and they are in kids that are eating sugar and processed foods and, you know, exposed to WI fi, there is no way their candida is dormant. No way. So it's pulling all this junk into their system. It's like an internal magnet. So it's compounding this effect. And that is a very big part of where the hormonal distortions come from, because I see it in the inverse. So I never deal with hormones as a frontline problem. It's never a problem. Like we. Yeah, it may be a problem for the patient, but it's something we will only address if we have to later. And nine times out of 10, it never is an issue once we're done with all the other stuff.
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Because it's a symptom of what is actually happening.
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Correct. We're not supposed to have, like, PMS period, because when we were out hunting and gathering, we didn't have time to have pms. Like, the saber tooth tiger would have killed us. Right. We didn't have time to go hang out in the. Wherever we were. Like, that whole concept of what we were doing, like, we didn't have time for that.
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Yeah, you couldn't go lay in the fetal position for two days in a bush. You'd literally get eaten.
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Jessica Cain Berman
These things aren't normal. And I think, you know, part of why I think it's really important too. Even though you have not heard of Dr. Profetter before, they are the front lines, seeing this firsthand, like, how these things are actually affecting people. And so when we talk about, you know, hormonal dysregulation or pcos or endometriosis, all of these things, they're being driven by the world that we live in and how can we actually approach it and fix it and I think that's why it's so important to have doctors like this that are actually speaking out and saying there are things that we can do. This is not normal.
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Dr. Christine Profetta
Exactly. Just because it's common does not mean that it's normal.
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Yeah, that's exactly the right point. What's normal is to actually not feel your period.
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Yes, exactly.
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Like, how many women?
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Jessica Cain Berman
What about menopause?
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Dr. Christine Profetta
Yeah, I'm curious. So that's another one too. Like the whole perimenopausal syndrome of flashes and all that. It shouldn't. It's actually the estrogen's dropping and all. So this is really fun. Estrogen controls the microbiome. Like, it's a huge player in our immune system. And it's also one of the reasons that women survive some of the early ages. You know, in the infancy period, boys are affected more heavily than girls on the autistic spectrum, et cetera. It's because estrogen is so protective immunologically. So boys are more exposed to infections, low grade viruses, like, off topic. Meaning we could get back to it. But the point is, perimenopausal period estrogens drop and all this stuff comes out that's related to dysregulation within the microbiome that was there, and it's just getting uncovered because of the low estrogen state. And so when I'm working with a patient and I treat them, the flashes go away. So we don't really know. Is that.
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Yeah.
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Were they supposed to have them or not? I don't think so.
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Wow, that's fascinating. So I haven't heard that actually, so that's really interesting. I'm like, I'm. I just turned 40, so I'm definitely going to need to hire you as my doctor because I want to make sure that I can stay as healthy as can be and not have to deal with all that. But I'm hoping I never was one that had, like, cramps or anything. I never really deal with any period stuff. So I'm like, praying that I won't have any of that. With perimenopause and menopause, probably not. Yeah, we'll see. So, okay, so you brought up autism. And this is actually another thing that I wanted to talk about if, if you're okay with talking about it. So what are you. What do you think? I know it's multifaceted. Right. But what are you seeing in your clinic that you feel like may be also driving the. The rates of autism that are happening right now? And because I Think I know what you're going to say and I'm very curious. Is it connected to maybe like mold and viruses and stuff? Because you kind of said that.
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It certainly can be. I mean, if I could say one thing that people remember from today, this whole conversation, the quality of our indoor air as it relates to mold exposure and other VOCs and things that are actually airborne is one of the most important determinants of our health. If we have mold infestation in our and we don't really know that until we test, you can have a home that tests out fine and a year later you can still have black mold that's come in, in places that you just aren't even paying attention to. It's happened in my house and I'm considered like, it's the thing I do. So if it surprised me, it's just hyper vigilance around the home environment is super, super important, particularly with babies because they don't sweat, so they can't sweat the toxins out. Their parents are going to the gym and they're going to an infrared sauna and they're doing all these things and they're cold, plunging and all this stuff. But the baby is just swaddled in a thing. If there's mold. Exactly.
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Swaddled in plastic.
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Yeah. And all the chemicals that off gas from non organic baby stuff like that's a huge problem. That's why one of the things, if you look at the rates of autism and other developmental, you know, issues in children, it tends to go down. What the more children have because the playroom has off gassed.
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Oh my God. I never thought about that.
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It's a huge thing. So it's really, really, you know, I mean all of these things just. And I'm not an alarmist and I don't like living in fear and I don't want people or parents. You know, it's just, it's more about empowerment, like being educated on the decisions you're making and understanding the repercussions of what that might be. So if you want to go with something that's going to off gas, buy it a year ahead of time, buy it six months ahead of time, put the heat on, open the windows, let it get its stuff out and then you put your baby to sleep on it.
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Yeah, and I want to talk about that for a second because I know. So I get, I mean I'm taking bullets all the time online and people are constantly calling me fear mongering and alarmist and all this stuff. And I'VE said this so many times, times. My approach is how can you make informed decisions if you are not informed, you have two choices. You can either take all this information and be empowered by it and be like, hell, yeah. Now that I know this is happening, I know how to navigate this and we're going to talk a lot about this today where there's a lot of things that you can do and you can be empowered. And I'm of the mind that, like, I don't, I wouldn't want to subject my baby to that and have no idea. I'd rather know all this so that I have the tips and tricks and the tools to, to navigate it, all of it, you know, and so I know what brands to buy and if I going to buy this stuff that's going to off gas like you said. I, I just had a guy on my podcast recently who founded a air filter company called Jasper and he said, buy the stuff like six to eight months before, put an air filter in there, let it run all the time off gases, everything, and then you're good and then there's the solution and you don't have to worry about it anymore. So it's things like that that we just need to be informed. And unfortunately, the reality is, is that we are living in a toxic soup whether we like it or not. I mean, I don't even want to go down this path, but like, what are they spraying in the airs? What, what is happening in the air? What's happening with our water? If you don't have a water filter, an air filter, if you're doing putting candles in your home and burning those every day, even if you're, if you're cooking. Every time I cook, my air filter goes and goes like crazy for like 10 minutes because it's getting all of the toxins out of the air from when you're cooking. And again, this is an alarmist. It's just like, okay, now that I know this, I'm going to get the right cooking pans, I'm going to take the right supplements, which we're going to talk about. I'm getting an air filter. We can empower ourselves because we're dealing with a lot of chronic issues right now.
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Jessica Cain Berman
I think the reality is there's a lot we can do, right? So it's about being proactive. It's about avoiding, but it's also about preparing our bodies and creating a terrain in the body that can allow the body to naturally detoxify these things. Right? We have lost our way when it comes to that, we're slapping a bunch of band aids on things and our bodies are literally particularly our cells, which obviously, you know, is where we focus. But our cells are just deteriorating and so we're ending up in these disease states because where does the disease occur in the cells. That's where it starts. And so you're ending up with higher rates of disease because we are living in this toxic soup. And it's not to be fear mongery, but the whole point is, you know, doctors like Dr. Perfetta are actually out there working with patients and seeing things decrease. There are things you can do to decrease these things in the body.
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Dr. Christine Profetta
It's also like if you're in a burning house, don't you want somebody to tell you the house is on fire? Like. Cause so then you out and save your life. I mean it's the same concept. Like the world is on fire around us.
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Real Foodology Host
It's just a reality.
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Dr. Christine Profetta
We're not trying to be scary, it's just as a reality.
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Jessica Cain Berman
And you can stick your head in the mud and deal with the consequences later.
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Dr. Christine Profetta
Exactly.
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Well, the other thing is if you don't have tools, it's called fear mongering. Yes, but when you have tools, it's just called education.
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Absolutely.
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Period. Like yeah, it does make a hell lot of sense if you're, if you're scared of what you're saying because you don't have any solution, of course you don't want to hear it. But if you have solutions like, you know, there's plenty of things that can be done. What you mentioned, with the air purifiers opening up the windows to off gas, making better choices as a consumer, knowing that your skin eats, are you going to eat the things you put on your skin? That's basically where the bar needs to be set. If you would actually physically put it in your body, okay fine, then put it on your skin too. But otherwise you better pick and choose because everything your skin is having touch it is going inside it. So it's like all these very simple, you know, I'll never for actually I'm going to put in a little cute anecdote because it just makes it. You know, I've had the three boys that are now older but they came through their early life like the weirdos because they were eating sardines and collard greens and like never had, never had a children's menu ever. Didn't even know they were eating oysters like at the age of five and like steak and all this Stuff. I mean, it was just. It was really fun to watch them develop and have such. But I'll never forget my middle son. One day I was in the kitchen cooking. In the morning, he comes down and he's sort of being a little bit dramatic. And he gets himself onto the couch and he's like rolling around a little bit. And I was like, you know, I said, colton, are you. Are you okay? You want to go to. You know what's going on? He's like, I can't go to school today, Mom. He's like, I rolled in the grass on a chemical yesterday.
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It's so funny that he knows about that, too.
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Yeah, he added that he got a tick, too. He's like, harold in the grass with the chemicals and ticks. I was like, oh, oh, boy. That's really. That's a big problem. We better keep you home from school. I was like, no, no, no, no, no. Sorry. Here's a little PC and, you know, whatever. You go back, you're fine. So funny.
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Jessica Cain Berman
Yep, my grandfather.
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Dr. Christine Profetta
Your grandfather. Okay, so maybe we'll talk about that first. So when you and I met in Milwaukee, you were telling me about this book that your grandfather wrote that has been since taken off. Oh, yeah, been taken off Amazon and stuff. Right.
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Jessica Cain Berman
Like, they came and they actually never, like, published it. It was really only for doctors because Body Bio only sold to doctors until 2018 anyway. And so the, the book was really about membrane stabilization and, like, what that means. Right. It sounds so esoteric. Let's talk about that. That is essentially what Dr. Perfetta does. And it's looking at how the cell wall has been broken down from all these toxic assaults, how it then gets into our nuclear and mitochondrial DNA and it changes our epigenetics essentially at the highest level. And so the protocols that they had were about reinstating the health of the cells. Right? Reinforcing that health so that cells can perform as they should. And the toxins are going to stay out of this beautiful wall that protects the cells. So it was done previously with IV drugs, and there still are. And you can talk about this, the IV versions, but the supplements were built from the IV version because it can be difficult to get.
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Dr. Christine Profetta
And these environmental toxins that we're being Exposed to. Are they breaking down that cellular wall and that's how they're getting in.
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Jessica Cain Berman
What do you think?
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Dr. Christine Profetta
There's been no studies to really show. There's probably a few things that are happening. There's transporters on the cell membrane. We don't really know what the binding kinetics are, whether they're interfering with the natural substrate that would be bound and transported. So that's one way. The other way is that the cell actually develops a permeability to it that's unnatural. Right. And there's this concept of lipid rafting, which is nobody's going to be like interested in this concept. But I think of it as like if you think of the cell membrane, it's supposed to be like the rolling, like a soft sea that's glistening, right? And it's rolling and then there are these big, big, huge junk piles and these are the lipid rafts that get in there and all the junky stuff that we eat and like other remnants of virus and stuff sort of get stuck in there. And they make cell signaling very difficult. So for one cell to talk to another cell becomes very challenging and stiff, if you will. So that's kind of the science of the lipid membrane. And so you can consider that there are quantified distortions and there is published articles on this concept of how the actual receptors become distorted from the presence of toxins and non essential fats and things that get embedded there. So that's probably another way that it's happening. You know, I've hypothesized we need to see the kinetics on it. We don't know if it's a dose response. So let me bring up one other concept and keep it really light. The extracellular matrix is all the area outside the cell. So if we think of the body as a sponge and the cells are the holes and the matrix is all that other spongy stuff. Basically the matrix is supposed to hold the toxins. They're never supposed to get into the cell. The reason they get into the cell is because the matrix is so blogged up with the toxins that they get inside the cell and they never spontaneously detox from internal to the cell. Cell. That's a, basically a medically directed process. And this actually speaks to Chinese medicine. So if anyone practices Chinese medicine or acupuncture, there are what we call yin and yang states. The Yang states are associated with the matrix. The yin states are the deep cellular states. Those are all problems with the inner cellular area. So it's all related, all the different worldly views of health, if you take like a huge view, you can pull them all together. When you start to think about the cell and the matrix and all this in like a big global sense.
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So interesting. And if you think about it from a protective standpoint, the way I'm seeing it is like, so our bodies are trying to protect us from all these toxins. So it's essentially they're being stored in like fat cells, right?
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Yeah, that's one way it does it too.
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Okay.
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Yeah, that's, that's the persistent organic pollutants or pops. There's a whole science on pops. And the fact that our adipose tissue is. We have to start with the basic premise that the body is trying to help us, us survive all the time. Every single thing our body's doing is a survival mechanism, including gaining weight. It's doing it to help us. Something is in our blood that needs to get stored in fat to protect us. And that's one of the things we think about it in a very metabolic way. And like our bad body is doing these annoying things, but it is not doing that at all. It's doing smart things. It's doing things to help us. In fact, I watched this documentary one time which was really fascinating. An egret in one of the South Florida refuge, like where it was being rehabbed was released into the wild before it had redeveloped its feeding skills. And because it went into starvation mode, it went into a psychosis and killed itself. Somehow it killed itself. And they were actually speaking of the science of all the toxins in the fat being liberated because the egret was starving, couldn't feed itself. And it went crazy because of that.
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Because it was releasing all the toxins.
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Because it was releasing all the toxins. And it was like a completely normal statement in the veterinary medicine world. It was on 5 o'clock news or something. I was just getting my nails done and sitting there watching and going, you're like, what? Wait, this person went in this egret, went into ketosis and had a mental lapse because it was mobilizing fat cells too fast and releasing all these toxins. And we don't talk about that in humans at all.
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We don't. And I'm wondering if that's also happening on some level too, because we know we're also dealing with a mental health crisis. Just trying to make some connections there. That's really fascinating. I've never heard that before either. So you have this particular protocol that you do and I've been told that many people come to see you and you've helped them with Lyme and mold and so many different things that people are exposed to. Can you go, can you take us through that protocol a little bit?
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Jessica Cain Berman
What are some of the tools that everybody uses?
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Dr. Christine Profetta
Yeah, Ye. Yeah. So it is a combination of IV and oral, and it's a concept I'll just give you, like, sort of the big. The bigger concept of what we're trying to do. It's basically the ways in which the body runs into trouble is through toxicity, particularly impairment of the mitochondria by toxins. So when we can recover mitochondrial health, meaning our ATP and our energy, we are not only doing that, but we're also improving our immune system, because that's our. Nobody really knows this as well, that the mitochondria drive our immune system's adaptability. So if the mitochondria are not, well, everybody thinks of them with NAD and how popular that's become. And people are knowing about, but they don't realize that they're also controlling our immune system's adaptability. So that's a very big part of recovering patients to a state of wellness. And then the second is recovering the microbiome and getting the pathogenic organisms under control. So we're marrying an IV sequence that's been developed over many years of studying the layers in the body. And so I call it when I'm talking with patients, like, different chapters, like chapter one, we're getting the mitochondria back restored, and we're trying to get out a lot of the infectious biofilm and calm the inflammation down. And then chapter two, we're trying to get the deeper gut organisms, parasites and fungi and things kind of improved and their immune system improved. And then there's other chapters, depending on what their illness is and how much help they need.
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So Iman was telling me that you take a different approach where normally people will try to tackle parasites first, but you actually go for them last or like save them.
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Yeah, you can. You can't tackle them straight up because.
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Real Foodology Host
Why is that?
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Dr. Christine Profetta
Well, they are. There's a whole bunch of reasons, to be honest, but the. The two of the biggest are that they are very, very toxic. So unless you've already detoxed the organism, the patient, you're just going to add insult to injury and you're going to wind up with a patient that feels really, really, really unwell. And so immunologically, they're better treated later. The other is that they are deep to the Biofilms. So think about a pond and our inner ecosystem, our microbiome is a lot like a pond. We have water, hopefully clean, and then we have layers of sediment, the parasites. And you can get to this understanding inversely from hearing a person say that they traveled and then had traveler's diarrhea for a few months, and then all of a sudden it went away. Well, what happens is the amoeba or other type of parasite gets in, it causes trouble, and then eventually it gets sort of tamped down by the immune system, because there's a certain part of our immune system called TH2 immunity that effectively creates like a little mini scarring to keep it in place so it struggling along and sort of causing trouble until we do that to it and we lock it down, and then it's underneath the biofilm and sort of hiding. And so you can't get at that right away. You could give all the drugs you want, but you're not going to get a full clearance. You have to do it in a different order.
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And you got to attack that biofilm first. So I've actually never talked about biofilms on the podcast. So can we talk about that? Because I'm sure people are listening, going, I don't even know what that means and what that is.
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Yeah, yeah, sure. Super and super fun segue with, you know, PC and stuff. So very simple. Biofilm is. It's a substance called an extra polymeric substance that's produced by bacteria and microbes. But the simple way to think about it is if you left a glass of water, let's say we were drinking water here and we went to pour it out today, we would not ring. We would not have to wash the glass out. You just let it dry four or five days from now, we come back, you're gonna have that little slimy ring that you have to get out a Brillo pad or a sponge pad. No one stops to think about, where did that come from? Right.
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That's a great point.
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That's a biofilm. Yeah, that's a biofilm. That came from the little bacteria and fungi that dropped in the air and hit the water. And then as soon as they hit a substrate, they start making this EPS or biofilm to keep them there and protect them. And this is a whole world. These biofilm communities live inside us. They're known in certain areas of medicine as a real problem, like periodontal disease is all biofilm formed. A lot of recurrent vaginosis is biofilm formed. Orthopedists, the scourge of the orthopedist is a biofilm on a prosthetic joint. So they're all over human health. But the problem is we don't have pharmaceutical tools at present to control them. So one of the easiest ways to control them is with PC, because it emulsifies them. So one of the reasons that PC is so beneficial to take, not just to restore all the low phospholipid levels and keep brain function optimal and all that is it basically protects you against biofilm formation if you're taking it on a regular basis.
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Jessica Cain Berman
I never even knew this.
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Real Foodology Host
Wow. Okay.
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Dr. Christine Profetta
It breaks the biofilms and it helps to emulsify them.
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So it's safe to assume. I just want to reiterate this, that pretty much everyone listening has some biofilms, right? Yeah, we have to.
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The microbiome is the huge one. It's just a good one.
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Okay. And where. How do you know when it's gotten to a point where you got to intervene and start taking care of these biofilms? Because I'm sitting here going, huh, I wonder if I need any. Like, I'm wondering. I'm, like, trying to connect, like, little symptoms I'm dealing with, and maybe I'm dealing with biofilms, like.
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Yeah, so great, great question. And not great testing. Plenty of science. Not great testing. That used to be some testing. Some things mysteriously have gone away that we can't test for. You know, like, there's a need in science to build out better testing arsenals to figure some of this stuff out. You can assume at a certain age, everybody needs biofilm management. A simple fact is that biofilms are made, like, tenfold on an antibiotic. So any person that's ever had an antibiotic has biofilm formation, period. That's like a. That's like a very simple statement. Yeah. So they're definitely an issue. And we don't really know what normal is. That's one of the problems, is that we, I believe, mortar, pestle style, spices, and a lot of the things that used to do with indigenous cooking when we didn't travel far from grandma and the vertical family unit did a lot to protect us against biofilm formation. Castor oil that people used to take is like, you know, kind of that urban legend that was all to reduce biofilm.
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Well, and I think there's also an issue, too, and you just barely touched on this at the very beginning, where if I just go to my allopathic doctor, they're not. I don't even think they're Aware of biofilms. I'm not trying to call them out here, but, like, this isn't common practice or knowledge in the allopathic model. And it's why we have so many doctors like you coming out now being like, hey, guys, like, we need to start treating this from other angles and start looking at other things and testing for the parasites and. And addressing these biofilms and actually going down that route instead of just like throwing a pill at every ill, like I was saying earlier. Okay, this is really fascinating. So this is where PC comes in, which Jess's great. So your grandfather actually created Body Bio.
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Jessica Cain Berman
Yeah, yeah, he created it. They first did blood testing, and there were a series of different blood tests that they did to look at, like, the red blood cell fatty acid analysis in the body, and a couple other. You used to be able to walk into a LabCorp and just get a body bio test. Really? Oh, yeah. You just paid. You paid. I think it was like $50 to Body Bio. And then you just walked into a LabCorp and asked them to do it. This is before all of this, the. The testing that we see today. So this is like the early 2000s, late 90s. And then they saw.
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Dr. Christine Profetta
Oh, sorry. What were they testing specifically in that Body Bio test?
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Jessica Cain Berman
It was like an extended chem 28. So it was looking at, like. Remember the wellness report? It was this kind of extended look at the body, at all these different kind of biochemical markers and then recommendations on foods you should eat, supplements you should take.
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Dr. Christine Profetta
Wow.
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Jessica Cain Berman
I mean, they would just send you.
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Dr. Christine Profetta
Yeah, it was like a whole packet.
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You know what's really sad is that test now would be like 500 bucks.
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Jessica Cain Berman
Yeah, probably.
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Dr. Christine Profetta
Oh, okay.
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Jessica Cain Berman
We still have the capability to run it, but we don't.
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Dr. Christine Profetta
So I cut you off. So what they were seeing as you.
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Jessica Cain Berman
So what they were seeing was that systemically people were needing these essential nutrient supports, right. These, like, foundational supports that are being depleted through, you know, the world that we live in. And so I would argue probably every single person that ever received a wellness report would be end up being on PC. PC would always be recommended because it's such a fundamental support and people don't. It hasn't really had its, like, moment of popularity, I think, until what we're seeing now, because it's difficult to understand what it is. Right. It's a biochemical name, phosphatidylcholine. And phospholipids aren't really sexy. They're not really, like, fun. It makes up this bubble that protects your cells. So I think it just wasn't something that was very popular. They also really felt that no one would ever understand it unless a doctor prescribed it. And so they only sold a doctor for that reason because they just felt it was way too complex for people to really. And you see this when people are asking about different dosages. So the dosages for a shorter term kind of detoxification, let's say you're trying to get pregnant and you're looking at the preconception period and you really want to clean up your mitochondrial health, you know, that's being passed down onto the baby. You want the baby to start its life with the lowest toxic burden possible, right. So you're being careful about everything you're putting on your body, in your body. You're taking the right supplements. You're taking PC glutathione, essential fatty acids to really like strengthen your cellular health and your cellular reserve. But it's. The doses can vary, right? There's some people who may need a higher dose, and they may need a higher dose for three to six months, even up to a year, and then decrease to a maintenance dose. But this is something that, I mean, how many patients would you say you've put on it?
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Dr. Christine Profetta
7,000.
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Real Foodology Host
Wow, 7,000.
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Dr. Christine Profetta
I think we've seen about 7,000. I mean, maybe not all of them. In the early years. I didn't know. I didn't know about it. But since its inception, I mean, it's many thousands of patients that I've worked with.
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And this is something obviously that people can just take maintenance. Right. Every day, because I take it every day.
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Jessica Cain Berman
You can, I like to recommend that people start with a higher dose. If they do a higher dose for like a three to six month period, get that increased dose and then you can taper down to a maintenance.
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Dr. Christine Profetta
So what would a higher dose look like in the liquid form and the capsule form?
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Jessica Cain Berman
Probably, I mean, it depends on if you're dealing with a complex chronic illness, then speak to a practitioner that is well versed in phospholipid therapy. If you are someone like yourself, one tablespoon a day, which is about 12 capsules.
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Dr. Christine Profetta
Oh, wow, 12. Okay, so I haven't been taking enough.
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Jessica Cain Berman
I take one tablespoon a day.
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Dr. Christine Profetta
Okay, how much do you take?
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That's about what I recommend. We have like a little shake. That shake formula. I put a tablespoon of that, a tablespoon of balance oil, a tablespoon of elite. Like it's just, just your health. It's like People's health is just in a different league when they're on that all the time. It's just that simple. And one thing I want to interject as a clinician, because I can. So when you take higher doses, it will elicit some things that are not bad things. It's because PC moves things through the body so patients get a little bit, you know, oh, I feel this, or I feel that I have a headache. Yeah, I have this. That's actually what it's going to do initially, and then eventually it's going to. It's not because it's bad for you that it's having this effect.
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Jessica Cain Berman
They often ask if that's like a Herxheimer reaction, do you think it is, or do you think it's just the kind of. When you're flooding the body with something that the body needs and it starts to release some of these things like the lipid rafts and whatnot.
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Dr. Christine Profetta
It's probably a version. So the Herx reaction is a very. I might as well just give it 10 second on the Herx reaction because it's become like a verb, Herxing, which is hysterical. So originally it was developed, the name is Gerald Herxheimer. And it was two physicians that were noticing the impact on patients with syphilis when they gave mercury. And three days after giving mercury to syphilis patients, they would have this very protracted fever and like a heightened symptom response. Mercury poisoning, literally, totally. And they called it the Gerald Herxheimer reaction. And think about it, at those times, it was the early 1900s, they didn't have a single clue what it was. We're like, oh, my God, the patient's getting way worse. And now all of a sudden, 24 hours later, they're better. So they didn't understand what cytokines were. They didn't understand that it was an inflammatory reaction. They didn't understand, like, it was actually very brilliant. So it started in the Lyme community, because syphilis and Lyme, and when you kill Lyme, it has a Herx reaction within a few days of starting on the right drug for it, but then it moved over into. Into the whole. Anything detox related. Anything detox related, I'm hurting. So people that are hurting every day, like, I'm hurting. And here's how every day, like their journal is part of their Herx reaction.
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Is it similar to that, like, keto flu that people talk about when you go on ketosis and they're like, oh, you might feel like you have a flu for a week, because your body's getting rid of all the toxins. Okay. So it's similar to that. Okay, so the Lyme thing, I don't want to get off topic with PC, so we'll come back to PC, because everybody's probably going, what is PC? We're going to talk about it. But you brought up Lyme. And I'm really intrigued by this because I now have three friends that are dealing with Lyme. One who is actually my godmother and who's had it for, like, 30 years and is, like, still struggling. What? I know you can't give medical advice, but what would be an approach for somebody who feels like they've tried everything and they can't get rid of this Lyme?
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The biggest thing to know is that Lyme is going to take advantage of a diseased host. It's that simple. Lyme is not looking to kill us. It's not. You have to think about the biology or the pathology of the different organisms. So there's certain infections that we get that are looking to take us out. Ebola is one. Right? You're not going to survive.
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Exactly.
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It does not want you to be happy and healthy. It wants to get the heck out of you, and you're going to die in the process.
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Yikes.
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But Lyme is looking to go for a nice little comfortable ride. It's going to go bury into a knee and be dormant for 10, 20, 30 years. You may never have it. Right. It comes out and becomes active when the host is diseased. And the biggest interplay, which we were talking about a little bit earlier, was the intersection between Candida. So Candida feeds it. So you're never gonna get rid of Lyme if Candida's not under control. And most of the Lyme doctors only. Cause I have quite a bit of experience treating Lyme. The Lyme symptoms, if they're just going by symptom set, are in fact Candida symptoms. The Lyme is not doing all of the things that this Candida can do. The Lyme is a more traditional. You know, there are people that believe Lyme does a million things. Yes, it can, but it has to do with the relationship to the fungi and the other molds in the body and the whole environment. So the single most important thing I would say is to the talking points of today, the more PC, the more fats, healthy minerals, vitamins, things that are going to restore vitality to the host, you're going to see less of the Lyme symptoms, and you're Going to see much more resist, you know, a much healthier outcome.
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So Candida is something that really worries me because I feel like I've had Candida most of my life and can't figure it out because I will never forget my mom. I'm really lucky that my mom has always been on the more natural, alternative route. So I wasn't the normal kid where I was being put on antibiotics all the time. It was like she was taking me to nutritionists and people that were talking to me about Candida when I was little. And I remember maybe being 13, 14 and them saying that I have an issue with Candida and I've always had an issue with having kind of a higher sweet tooth. I've gotten that sense under control in the last couple years because I kind of went keto for a while and then I've just been so conscious of my sugar consumption that I don't really. I just don't eat it or crave it that much anymore. But I just got my Candida levels tested a couple months ago and my doctor was like, we have to get this under control. And I'm like, again, I feel like the Candida has been following me forever. It feels impossible because it's. Even if you're going on like a low sugar diet without maybe going full keto, which I can't do full keto, I just can't do it. It's not sustainable.
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Your body habitus wouldn't handle that.
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Yeah. And so it's like, how do you do that? Where. Cause I mean, we're always feeding the Candida with sugar and it's like, I feel like if I have like one cookie, like, oh my God, I'm feeding the Candida, you know. So how do you kind of get that under control? And is that maybe a PC thing?
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Well, PC certainly plays a role, but you have to flush it out. Like that's one of the things that we do in our methodology is combination of IVs. We do do a form of colonic called an open colonic, which is. What is that? It's a very safe procedure. Colonics in general within the medical community get bashed, but that's simply because they're not understanding there's a huge difference between the closed and the open. The closed system does have some concerns. It's a pressure based system. A lot of the things you hear about colonics can happen with the closed. I'm not saying that there's not closed systems that are being run perfectly well and none of the problems will happen. But the open system is. It's like apples and oranges. So you have to know that you're speaking of an open system, which basically is, you know, you're self inserting the nozzle, water is under your control, and there really aren't any of the dangerous concerns that the clothes could have. And so you're flushing. You know, a lot of the biofilms are residing within the gut. Right. And so getting out. And the misunderstanding is that, yes, fecal matter is flushed with the open colonic, but when it goes for a little bit longer, there's a whole bunch of sediment that starts coming through. That's much more reflective of what's in the upper bowel. There's like 26ft of upper bowel. And that's where a lot of these biofilms reside that are problematic. So it's a combination of oral protocol and then this flushing concept that gets the candida. It's a biofilm, it's a third dimension. And there's actually an article. There's. There's many articles, but there's a beautiful article that's published. I'm gonna think of the author in a second. But it shows the Candida biofilms in a patient with colitis, and it shows the biofilm of single bacteria. And then once Candida tropicalis is added to the mix, like, the candida biofilm is like 10 times the biofilm of the bacteria, and then it's three times that once you add them all together.
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Wow.
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So there's this third dimension that you have to get out or you're never gonna get the candida fully under control. It just goes dormant when you don't feed it It.
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Okay. Yeah. Because I feel like I've been dealing with that for a long time, so I'm maybe reaching out to you for a candida protocol.
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Real Foodology Host
Okay.
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Dr. Christine Profetta
So PC, we started talking about it, and it's funny because you said that your grandparents were concerned that, like, people wouldn't really understand and it goes over their head. I have a great understanding of the body. This is literally what I studied. And I'm confused by PC, so I have a hard time fully understanding what it is. I do know a little bit about it as far as, like, it helps detoxify all these. I don't know if it's detoxify all of these environmental toxins that we're exposed to. Can you talk more about maybe in layman's term, like, what PC actually is and then all the benefits that it has?
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Jessica Cain Berman
I mean, PC in its simplest form is a healthy fat. Right? It's a healthy fat. That's literally what it is. Our bodies, they now. I don't know if you guys saw the study, but they now know it's between like 30 to 40 trillion cells. It's not 70 any longer. So women have like 30 trillion, and men are around 40. So you've got 30 trillion cells in your body. Every single one of them has a cell membrane. And that cell membrane, the majority of the cell membrane, there are things. There are proteins and receptor sites and ion channels. The majority of that cell membrane is made of phospholipids, and that's what PC is. Okay, so it's just this bubble that protects every single one of your cells. The bubble also is a part of the organelles, so it's a part of the mitochondria. And so these things in our environment break down these bubbles. And we are having so many different issues throughout time, but it's a super complex piece of biochemistry. And so when you start getting into the really fine details of it, it is confusing. But at the end of the day, it's essentially healthy fat. We should be making enough of it in the body. We are no longer getting enough of it from our foods. And because of the environment that we live in, they're constantly under assault. And so this is why it's become so much more popular to use it as an essential nutrient that is just this foundation for helping all these different things. So whether it's Candida or now I know biofilms, or, you know, looking at neurotransmission and the way cells are working within, you know, with each other, it is the actual cell membrane that is performing the actions of the cell. There's nothing in the cell membrane, there's nothing in our DNA that's actually performing an action. It's the cell membrane that actually has to do that. And so it gets. You get into, like, deep biochemistry and looking at, like, what is a phospholip and what is it made up of? But essentially it's just healthy fats.
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Dr. Christine Profetta
Okay, and then. And what is the mechanism to where it helps you get rid of things? Like. Because for me, the second I read that it helps with glyphosate, I was like, let's go. Glyphosate's something I'm super concerned about. And so I'm curious, like, how does that. How does it help your body detox those kind of things that we're being exposed to?
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Jessica Cain Berman
I was so happy to see When I did my first round of testing with Dr. Perfetta, my glyphosate levels are actually really low. And I was really excited about that because they looked at the test results and they were like, you rarely see this in today's world.
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Dr. Christine Profetta
Yeah.
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Jessica Cain Berman
What I was heading on, I was on my way up to see Dr. P. Like, I don't know. It was around June, and I was listening to a podcast with Dr. Craig Kniver, and the first thing he was saying is, we were being poisoned. And it really, like, struck me because I spent, I don't know, countless hours, seven, eight hours once a week with my grandfather trying to understand, like, what is a phospholipid and what is its role in the greater picture? And I couldn't walk out of a meeting understanding it. And here I am sitting in the car, driving two hours, listening to a podcast, and it, like, really dawned on me. Like, it. We are being poisoned, and this is what the poison is breaking down in our body. And so then I started talking to doc, talking to Dr. Perfetta and a bunch of other doctors that we work with to say, are you consistently seeing patients come in day one, looking at their levels of microplastics, pfas, mold, toxins? Brad had, like, a bunch of, like, chemicals from working on classic cars. And, you know, there's all of these different chemicals. But what are you seeing when people are on this kind of lipid replacement therapy or membrane stabilization protocols? So you're flooding the body with these healthy fats. You're supporting the detoxification with things like glutathione, and you're seeing these numbers go down. So you're seeing them day one, you're seeing three, six, nine months, even a year. And these things are decreasing in the body. And the most significant one that I saw is from a friend of ours who also works with Dr. Perfetta. But he sent me a protocol in which he said his numbers were high. He did his test. He decided to go on 15 milliliters of PC, balance oil, glutathione, minerals. For six months. He did a high dose. He did two tablespoons a day of all these healthy fats, PC and balance oil. Namely, his numbers, like, drastically dropped to tolerable levels. They were all in the red.
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Dr. Christine Profetta
Wow. And so now, what were the specific ones that. Can you name some of them so people know that went down? Was it like glyphosate phthalates?
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PC is a universal detoxifier. So it doesn't matter which it is. They're all going to be all of them.
- [59:18]
Jessica Cain Berman
Heavy metals, aluminum, mercury, everything.
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Dr. Christine Profetta
I just wanted people to hear, like tangible things because this really struck with me because I was doing a video for y'all and there's a chart and you guys can go back to this Instagram reel and see this chart where it showed all these numbers went down. And I was like, wow, that's incredible. I was like, now I'm paying attention.
- [59:36]
Jessica Cain Berman
Yeah. And so now that I wasn't before.
- [59:38]
Dr. Christine Profetta
But now I'm really paying attention.
- [59:39]
Jessica Cain Berman
Now I'm really trying to figure out how do we work together with the people that are utilizing these to actually do the right type of tests and put together the right type of observational case studies and work on a feasibility trial one day work on a randomized control trial that's not paid for by any outside sources or, you know, pharma or anything like that to really show like there are actionable steps you can take to decrease these things in the body.
- [60:03]
Dr. Christine Profetta
PC being one of them. And we said we were going to give some tools on that. So PC.
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PC is, you know, in the hospital setting, it's, I think it's called Intralipid. It's Intralipid in the US hospital system. It's on all the crash carts. It's a universal detoxifier. The anesthesiologists have to have it in case they give an anesthetic overdose.
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Don't they use it for.
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And they use it in the alcohol poisoning. Any unknown drug overdose. Someone comes into the ER and they don't know what's going on, they just run PC.
- [60:30]
What's the actual protocol in the hospital? Do they give you like an oil or iv?
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It's iv.
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So it is iv. That's what I was wondering if you can actually do iv.
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Jessica Cain Berman
It's an IV drug. There is a drug of phosphatylcholine.
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Dr. Christine Profetta
Yeah, it's. I think it's Intralipid is what it's called. But it's stabilized with aluminum. So you can't use it for long term detoxification because you end up with, with aluminum issues. But for short term for like a drug overdose or something that that's what it's used for.
- [60:55]
Wow, that's so fascinating. I didn't know that.
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Jessica Cain Berman
Yeah.
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Dr. Christine Profetta
This is also like, I'm so glad that I packed my PC because I've been trying to be really consistent with it because before, like I was telling you, I just didn't fully understand it. And I actually have another question for you because I'M sure people will be wondering this. So when. Who was it that first told me about it? I had known about body biology maybe, like, eight years ago or something. I had done, like, just a random. I think I did, like, a blog post with you guys.
- [61:19]
Jessica Cain Berman
I remember that, like, long time ago.
- [61:21]
Dr. Christine Profetta
So long ago. And then all of a sudden, I started seeing y'all again. And I have one friend, specifically Emily Morrow, who speaks really highly of it, and she's like, you. Where? She just. I feel like she puts everybody on it because she's been seeing amazing results from it. So I go and I read the ingredients. I'm like, oh, yeah, I remember this company from, like, so long ago. And I read the ingredients, and I went to read them again last night, and I was like, wait, I don't think it's in there anymore. Didn't you guys have, like, a sunflower oil or, like, a.
- [61:46]
Jessica Cain Berman
You want to go there? Let's go there. All right. Let's talk about Omega 6s. Let's talk about seed oils.
- [61:50]
Dr. Christine Profetta
Yeah.
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Jessica Cain Berman
Okay. The myopic view that we have on seed oils is great. Seed oils are bad. Essential fatty acids are really, really important. And there's been this view that they are one and the same, and they are not. They're from the same source, but it's how they're treated that makes all the difference in whether something is rancid and oxidized or whether something is healthy. And so, yes, it is derived RPCR phospholipids. My grandfather, when he saw the effects of the IV drug, he said, okay, how do I make this in an oral version and a supplement version? And so he spent two years investigating and doing R and D to try to figure out how to actually isolate the phospholipids. The closest thing that mimics the human cell membrane is soy. It's not sunflower. You cannot get the same ratio of PC phosphatylcholine in the complex if you do it from sunflower. We've tried numerous times. The problem is you get too much phosphatidylserine, and phosphatidylserine you do not want. It is a smaller ancillary phospholipid on the inner layer. It's not as important as phosphatidylcholine. So you want that phosphatidylcholine. You want the other little ancillary phospholipids like phosphatylethanolamine, which is really, really important in mitochondria. But he had to use it from soy. There are no soy proteins in the end result. But what there is in there for viscosity is essential fatty acids. Flaxseed, and we use safflower. These things are cold pressed, they are organic, they are literally shut in a container so that to prevent oxidation. And I'm sure you have a lot to say about Omega 6s because there is this view that we need to avoid them like the plague. Well, the reality is if we avoid linoleic acid like the people are recommending to do, you will actually start to demyelinate and your mitochondria will start to shut down. It is critically important for the cardiolipin production within the mitochondria.
- [63:39]
Dr. Christine Profetta
So this is why I wanted to go there because I know that there's other people that would also read that and then be turned off and not want to take it anymore, because I initially was. And then I started diving in a little bit deeper. And my understanding and my thought around like seed oils and all this is that there's a lot of nuances. There is with everything else, which is in my opinion. I'm curious to hear about yours. I just think we're getting overloaded. Like they're just everywhere. Whereas like when, when I was younger, you'd be hard pressed to find canola oil and sunflower oil and like I don't even know if canola oil existed when I was little. And now it's in everything. Every time you eat out at restaurants, it's in oat milk, it's in, I don't even know, like you're finding it everywhere. And so in my opinion, I feel like we're just getting overdose.
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We are, yeah.
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But if we're getting bad forms like.
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Jessica Cain Berman
You are, like I am. We all are. If you're avoiding those processed foods, you need it. Right. There's linoleic acid in eggs. Yeah. You have some extremists who are avoiding eggs. Eggs are one of the greatest foods that we have to fuel our bodies. So I mean, you have omega 6s in stake. So to avoid these things like the plague is, is taking it to the other extreme, that also is not healthy.
- [64:50]
Dr. Christine Profetta
Yeah, absolutely.
- [64:51]
Jessica Cain Berman
What do you think?
- [64:51]
Dr. Christine Profetta
There's tons to say on the subject. So yes, 100%. One of the problems is that we are completely oversaturated on rancid sixes. So the studies when they're first done on the Omega 3s are going to show a positive impact. But the actual balance of 6 to 3 independent of any dietary intervention. So you're not, not overcoming already an imbalance is this 4 to 1 ratio. And that goes back to a scientific study that was done that showed rat heart cells, they were playing around with different combinations and it was called SR3 oil. And it was this 4 to 1 ratio that allowed the rat cells, and that's 4 omega 6 to 1 omega 3 allowed the rat cells. It's very clear in the graph the rat cells that survived had that ratio and everything else dump down. So the whole point is that, and when we used to be able to see the studies with patients overdoing, there's a conserved pathway and there's an enzyme that has to basically convert the threes and the sixes from their linoleic alpha linoleic states into the next higher order of fatty acid. And it's going to be competed for. So if you're flooding your system with threes, you are shutting down the six pathway. Your mitochondria are going to be shot, your energy levels are going to be shot, your myelin production's shot eventually. So, yes, the American diet is overwhelmed with sixes. So the preponderance of literature is going to show an anti inflammatory effect by adding threes initially. But if you're going back to a pure raw state of just whiteboarding, what is the very best diet? It's definitely sixes and threes in the.
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Right ratio and from the right sources.
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Yeah, pure sunflower seeds. You know, it's very funny. I look back when I was a child, I actually had a tremendous amount of allergies and asthma. Whole bunch of different problems when I was a kid. And I would find myself with these amazing cravings and I wasn't told not to eat them. So sunflower seeds were like, I would eat it by the handful when I went to my grandmother's. And I remember also eating parsley because it's so high in antioxidants. And I remember eating lecithin when I was dealing with some brain inflammation at a different time in my life. And I would just eat tablespoons of it. I was like, why am I eating this stuff? But it helped me. Now I understand the science of it. But, you know, our body does tell us what we need.
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It does, absolutely. So in the essence of time, I want to make sure we get everything else in. So is there anything else we haven't covered that you guys feel like we need to? I feel like I could talk to you all day and I have so many questions, but we're getting kicked out of here soon. So is there anything that we didn't cover that you feel like is important as far as, like, PC goes, or maybe other tools that people we could leave them with for detoxing?
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I'd say for kids, the only thing I might want to say, just because I'm a clinician and I get to say this, it's that so many of the children today are struggling with deficit states, and they're not being addressed. These poor children are being put through therapy, like, five out of seven days of the week, and they're just struggling. They just don't have the raw materials. They're so nutritionally depleted. They have white diets. I tell parents, you eat what your child is eating and try working. Are you gonna actually make it through on chicken nuggets and goldfish and pasta and fruitless? I mean, you would. There's not even a chance.
- [68:12]
Jessica Cain Berman
Don't even go there.
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Dr. Christine Profetta
And not only that, like, they're developing with it. Yes. Like, there's a reason we have puppy chow instead of dog chow. Right. It has more nutrients or puppy food instead of dog.
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Yeah.
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So that's one of the things that, like, I really. My heart. I have compassion and empathy and all for all of the patients that I treat. But the children, especially, because they are struggling so much today, and their little bodies just, frankly, need better nutrition. And I can see it in their faces, in their eyes and their. The dark circles and the, you know, the wrong color of their skin and stuff. And you just. It's like, I just want to, like, go and give them all this good nutrition and be like, oh, you just need to eat these things. And then they come to life, you know?
- [68:55]
Jessica Cain Berman
What do you recommend? Like, what do they eat? What do you recommend?
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Dr. Christine Profetta
First of all, let's just throw out all the children's menus in America. What. What role are they serving? Yeah, what role are they serving? Why are kids not eating adult food, period? Yeah, it's a joke, period.
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End of story.
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Right? So let's just get rid of them. No more making special food for Johnny or Amy or whatever else.
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Jessica Cain Berman
Like, they eat dinner.
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Dr. Christine Profetta
One dinner. Yeah, they ate, like, dinner. My kids ate dinner. And guess what? Dinner when they were babies and they couldn't eat, was pureed, and that became their baby food. Yeah, it was very simple. Every salmon went into the blender, Beef went into the blender. Like, collard greens went into the blender. So that's, like, the first place to start is just treating kids like they should be, and they need better nutrition.
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Yeah, absolutely. Period, end of story. And I think that's where we end it. Thank you all so much for coming on. I had so many other questions. I feel like I need to bring you back on because this is really fascinating. And we also covered a lot of ground that I've never covered before on the podcast, which I think is really going to be beneficial for people. So thank you so much. Please let everybody know where they can find you if you want to be found. Dr. Perfetta. And then also, Jess.
- [69:57]
Yeah, I don't even. I think, because I've just rebranded the institute. It's basically the Profeta Institute. It's profetta.com. it's. It's coming along, right? It's basically a landing page at the moment, but it's under development, so.
- [70:11]
Jessica Cain Berman
And on social media. Dr. What is it? Dr. Christine Profetta.
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Dr. Christine Profetta
Yeah, it's under. Yeah, it's Dr. Christine Profetta.
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Jessica Cain Berman
Yeah.
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Dr. Christine Profetta
Amazing. We're all going to go give you a follow right now.
- [70:18]
Yeah, absolutely.
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Jessica Cain Berman
And for Body Bio at Body Bio always.
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Dr. Christine Profetta
Yes.
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Thank you guys so much. This was really informative.
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Thank you, thank you, thank you.
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