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Fertility After 30 - Tips For Boosting Fertility, Reducing Biological Age | Dr. Z
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On today's episode of the Real Foodology podcast.
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Again, information is power. Like, once you know what the potential risks are, you can decide whether or not you want to eat the soup out of the plastic or not one time in a year. You know, maybe the risk is minimal and that's fine and you get to enjoy yourself. But it is the habits that you. It's the habits, it's the daily habits, the weekly habits, what you're doing consistently that really impact you in the long term.
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Hello friends. Welcome back to another episode of the Real Foodology podcast. I'm your host, Courtney Swan. And and today's episode is a really fun one. This is a different episode than I have done before. Well, I've done one other one like this, but I'm sitting down with Dr. Zagoni and we are going over my clockwise results. Now if you remember, I did an interview with her earlier this year all about fertility. And so many of you wrote me on Instagram saying that you loved this episode because it's all about fertility and all of the things that we are not being told in the mainstream. For example, I am 39 years old. I am considered to be quote unquote geriatric if and when I get pregnant. And there's a lot of conversation that if you're having a child after 35, you're quote unquote too old. You're going to have so many complications. And Dr. Z and I had an amazing episode which I highly encourage you to go back and listen to all about all the things that mainstream has gotten wrong about quote unquote geriatric pregnancies. And also all the things that we can do. There's actually a lot that we can do about our fertility. First and foremost, just because you are 39 does not mean that your DNA and your cells think that you are that age. So I did the clockwise fertility wise test with clockwise and I brought Dr. Z back on to go over my results with you. So you guys are going to get to listen to what it sounds like to be in a one on one consultation with a naturopathic doctor going over results. We go over my true age, which my biological age, the age of my cells and my DNA versus my chronological age. We also talk about my age speedometer, which is the pace of my aging. So like at what pace is my body actually aging? And then we go over the results of the different toxin exposures that they test for. So for example, they test for parabens. They also test for BPA and BPF exposure and and then a bunch of different classes of phthalates. So this was an awesome episode. I loved it so much. I think you guys are gonna get so much value out of this and I hope that it helps anyone out there that's struggling or if you want to get pregnant someday and you're hoping to not struggle. I believe that this episode is for everyone that is hoping to be a parent someday. It is so informative. I also just wanna take a moment to say that if you are currently on a fertility journey and you are struggling, my heart goes out. I know a lot of people are struggling right now, so you are definitely not alone and I'm hoping that this episode gives you a lot of hope because there are a lot of things that can be done. So with that, let's dive into the episode. I'm so excited for you to hear this. If you could take a moment to leave a five star rating and a review. 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So if you're struggling in any way, or if you're like me and you're close to your 40s. I'm 39 and you're concerned that you missed your window to have children, go back and listen to that episode because it gave me a lot of hope and a lot of science backed research to back it up and I'M just. I'm so stoked to have you back.
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Awesome. Thank you so much, Courtney. It's such a pleasure to be here.
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Yeah. Well, first of all, you're pregnant. Oh, can I say that?
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Yeah, totally.
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Okay.
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Public knowledge.
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I was like. I was like, oh, shoot. I hope she's announced it. Okay. Yay. I'm so happy for you. That's so amazing.
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Thank you.
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That's so exciting.
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And I'm happy to share more of my story, if you're curious. You know, being in this industry, there was definitely, like, pressure. Like, am I going to struggle? I'm 37. My husband's 46, and, you know, not most cases don't go this way, but we did conceive very easily on the first try, and. Thank you. And I know that a lot of it had to do with, like, the fact that I've been preparing my body for years at this point and that I made my husband test three months before our wedding. Like, I made him do a semen analysis, which was not the most fun thing to do for him, of course, but he was willing, and. And we did blood work and all of that. So we. We prepped. We. We were focused. We set the intention, and we were very grateful. We're very grateful that this little one has come in. And we also recently found out we're having a boy.
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Oh, congratulations. That's so exciting.
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Thank you.
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Oh, that is so incredible. I mean, that should give every listener hope. It definitely gives me hope of being 39, because all we hear is like, oh, you're geriatric and you're going to struggle. And we're here to tell you that it doesn't necessarily have to be a struggle. And there's also things that you can do, and there's a lot of tools that you can have that you can put into place to ensure that it's easier than they say that it's going to be. And you're living proof of that, and that's why your company is so amazing. Clockwise. So the reason that I brought Dr. Z back today is because we're going to go over my results. So I did the test with them, and I figured that it'd be fun to go over in real time the results with you guys. So, one, you guys can see what the process looks like, what exactly they test for, what it tells you. And, yeah. Just to give you a little, like, insider peek into how it all works. Yeah. Before we dive into it, is there anything else that you wanted to say about, like, as far As. I don't know, are there certain things that you did that you feel like really, really made a difference to make it a lot easier for you to get pregnant?
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Yeah, the things that I. I really had to change in my life leading up to when we were planning on conceiving, I actually decreased my workload pretty considerably by about half. And I knew that stress was like, my biggest, you know, nemesis.
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Yeah.
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And also when I felt into it from like, a spiritual perspective, like, I didn't have. I barely had time for myself. Like, how was I going to have time for a baby? And so I made the choice and I'm blessed that I was able to do this and was able to cut back my hours and it didn't, you know, and financially we were able to. To make that work because I knew that my body needed that because I have been going like, hardcore type A, built of practice in L. A built, you know, building this startup. I've been nonstop for my entire career. And that's like 11 years at this point, so. So I may try it a couple of months to. To chill the F out. And with that, I also, every morning would go out on the back porch and drink my little, like, morning mushroom coffee, get some morning sunlight, put my feet in the earth and really just reconnected to nature. And that's something. The less work and the reconnecting to nature aren't things that we necessarily spell out in our recommendations for people. We're talking about decreasing stress and we talk about, you know, sleep and that sort of thing. But, you know, some of. Some of their. The very foundational basics that allow our physiology as women to really thrive were the two things that I think, you know, made the biggest difference. And I wasn't taking a ton of supplements and I, you know, I was. We were eating well, but those were the things that I think really allowed it to happen very easily for us.
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That's so amazing. I also just feel like you were literally speaking to me in that moment because that's something I admittedly really struggle with. And I've been struggling with trying to reduce my workload for a while. So it's a good reminder that that probably should be something I need to focus on more. Um, yeah. Okay, so, well, let's. Well, first of all, thank you for sharing that. I think it's gonna be super helpful for a lot of women. And let's dive into this test. And again, I wanna remind you, go back and listen to this first episode if you guys are a little bit lost and Confused on what we're going over. Cause we go over more in depth about what this actually is. Um, but I did the clockwise fer. And I'll let you just kind of start if you want to start. Like, we'll kind of go through all the results.
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Yeah. And before we get there, I'd love to ask you, because, you know, we use this test to help women plan their lives and their fertility. So I'm curious, where are you with if you want to be a mama and when you want to be a mama?
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Yeah. So I'm very clear on this. In fact, Hector and I, we actually broke up for a little bit of period of time, which I don't know if I've ever shared that publicly. And the main reason was because he was expressing a little bit of uncertainty around kids and, like, when he wanted them. And I had expressed pretty early on, early on in our relationship that as much as I loved him and cared about him, that if he was not on board to be a dad and kind of soonish, that I had to leave, because that has been my desire since I was 4 years old. I know that I need. I know that I'm supposed to be a mom, and I really want to be a mom. And so we broke up for a little bit of period of time, which is actually right when you and I connected, which is so interesting. Then we. So we had kind of a break, and then we both had realizations. One being that he came back and was basically like, you know what? I'm willing to speed up my timeline if it means that I'm, you know, not going to lose you. And since then, I mean, he's, like, fully on board now, which is really cool. Like, he's not like, oh, I don't know. Like, he's fully. Like, we were in Telluride, like, two weeks ago, and he was like, oh, my God. I just. I can see our kids running up and down these streets. And I was like, did you just say that? I love it. Oh, like, I'm gonna cry thinking about it. So we're fully on board with that. We just got engaged, like, two weeks ago.
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Congratulations.
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Thank you. Very excited about that. So we are planning on getting married hopefully next June is the plan. And then we are hopefully gonna get pregnant, like, right after that is. Is the plan.
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Amazing.
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So, yeah.
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Beautiful. Beautiful. So this test is a great test for you to have done because it gives us an idea of how fast your biological clock is ticking. We're looking at the age of your cells, your biological Age, which is different than chronological age, the age based on your birthday, just to remind everyone. And so I've got your results pulled up right in front of me. So the first marker we do look at is that biological age marker. And we use a marker that's based off of DNA methylation, also called epigenetics. And this particular marker in this particular, let's say, algorithm, this pattern that we're looking at, the reason we chose this one and not any of the other, you know, biological age testing methods out there is because this one is connected to fertility outcomes in the research. And so, you know, I just share that, that this number does matter. And so your, your chronological age at the time of taking this test was 39. And your biological age, the age of your cells, came back at 42.25, which.
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Let me share this really fast. I was really shocked by. And this was the one I was expecting to come back really low because I did another test with function health and it came back that I was 24. So then when I got this, I was like, wait, what? But we'll, we'll dive more into that. So.
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Yeah, yeah, and different, like I said, different types of testing. I think function bases their number off of the blood biomarkers. So still important for your health. But this particular marker is looking at what your DNA is saying is your cellular age. And most people, I would say 90 plus percent of women and men who take our test come back older. And most people are not happy about that.
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Yeah, I was not stoked.
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Yeah. And unfortunately, a lot of people go into denial and then don't end up taking action. But that's the opposite of what should happen here. Information is power, and this is just a baseline. So everything is reversible. And it's also helpful to know where this number comes from. So about 30% of this number is going to be genetic. There's not a whole lot we can do about it. But what that does mean is 70% of it. There's a lot we can do about it. And the things that we look at to improve this number are going to be food, which I'm. We're just going to assume that you've got that all perfect. I'm not even going to ask questions on that.
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I hope so.
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I know what's up. The second would be fasting. Do you, do you do any, do you practice any fasting at all?
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I do, actually. I practice something that I call intuitive intermittent fasting. And so depending on how my body feels when I wake up, in the morning is going to depend on how long I fast for. So I, and I've noticed that it's interesting. It kind of lines up with my menstrual cycle like pretty beautifully. As I'm gearing up to start my period, I've noticed that I'm significantly hungry and I hung more hungry and I need more calories. And so on those days I'm waking up and I'm eating pretty much like about an hour or so like after I wake up. But on the days like, like right after my period, all of a sudden my hunger is just like, it goes down pretty significantly. And so those are the days that I wake up and like, let's say I usually wake up around like 7am I probably won't eat until 11 noon and I'll have coffee with like a little bit of like coconut milk creamer in there just to like keep, you know, my blood sugar stable. But I just, yeah, I, I try to practice intermittent fasting when I can and I usually stop eating dinner at the very latest by like 8pm but it's usually, I usually eat around like 6:30.
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Okay. So for the future when you're actually trying to conceive, I would recommend making sure you get a good breakfast in.
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Okay.
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Still listen to your body. So maybe it's a little bit less. But we want to make sure we're sending, you know, the, the nutrient and the, there's abundance.
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Okay, I love that.
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And then fitness wise, what do you do for exercise?
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So I am doing now actually since we last spoke, I've started incorporating more strength training in. So I'm doing two weeks or sorry two days out of the week. Um, I'm doing this booty class like a strength training where we lift weights and it's primarily focused on like button glutes. And then two days I go to Pilates and then the rest of the week I'm either walking or I'm going on a hike. So I try to do like a mixture of a bunch of different workouts.
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Amazing. Fantastic. I love it. You're hitting frequency, you're hitting the different types. That's all super supportive for rewinding the clock. So food, fasting and fitness are probably not the reasons your, your age came back a little bit higher. So let's look at some other ones. How about stress?
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Stress I think is my number one biggest hurdle that I deal with and probably in life. Okay, that's a big one. Yeah.
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And what is your internal self talk like?
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So it depends on the day that you catch me on because I kind of oscillate back and forth between extreme gratitude for my life, for my health, for where I'm at in my life. And then the other internal talk is, I'm very hard on myself. I'm not doing enough. I should be doing more. I'm not helping people enough. I always feel like there's more that I could be doing because I feel like, because the work that I do is so passion driven and I, I want to help so many people that I often feel like I'm not doing enough or like showing up enough. And so I kind of like berate myself for that. And I'm like, you should be doing more. And, you know, you need to have more energy and more time to do this. Which I know is silly, but, yeah.
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Very common, very normal. Maybe, maybe not the most helpful and supportive.
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It's definitely not very normal. I'm really trying to practice, to be, I'm practicing, I'm trying to practice being more mindful of when those messages come in, to just be kind and compassionate with myself and be like, courtney, you're human, you're doing your best. But yeah, it's hard sometimes.
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Definitely. And I think there's, there's kind of like two avenues to look at. One is the in the moment, like recoaching yourself. And the other is like, is there something from the past, from childhood, that's creating this sense of, of either not enoughness or not doing enoughness that could be healed or cleared or something along those lines? There may or there may not be.
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Yeah.
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But some things to consider in your, in your journey.
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Thank you. Yeah.
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Can I offer a mantra that's kind of like coming through in this moment?
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Yeah, I would love that. Yeah.
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So. So sometimes mantras work for some people. It's not the, you know, it's not one thing for everybody. But of course, I was like scrolling on Instagram the other day and a Bashar video came up. Do you watch any of the Bashar?
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I don't think so.
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It's like a. We're going to get real woo, woo, real quick here.
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I'm here for it.
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A, like a channeled message from a being. Bashar.
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Okay, cool.
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And I can't remember the guy's name who channels this being. But. And I only, you know, I always take what resonates and leave the rest. But what he was saying is that the most powerful mantra on the planet is I am who I am. And that is enough. So if that resonates, if that's helpful. You're welcome to use it.
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I love that.
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Okay, so we know stress is a top priority. Stress is definitely a significant accelerator of that biological age for a lot of people. And even the negative thinking specifically is listed by trudiagnostic, our lab, as a contributing factor to accelerated biological age. So some very clear areas that we can already, you know, rewind.
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Yeah.
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How's your sleep?
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So I've had an interesting relationship with sleep. It's a lot better now, but for a long time because the work that I was doing before I was in health and nutrition, when I was working with bands, my sleep was all over the place because I we never had a consistent schedule. We were flying in between time zones. We were flying from Europe to Australia back to the US like my basically long winded way of saying my body and my circadian rhythm was really messed up for a long time. Which is also what I think is probably contributing to that because I've really been working on this for the last couple years, like rewiring, trying to get myself back on like a, a more natural circadian rhythm. Now I would say I struggle a little bit here and there with the sleep, but for the most part I'm going to bed. By like, I mean I'm in bed sometimes at like 8:30 or 9pm which is my dream. I love it. And I'm getting up like I said, around like 7, like 6:37. And it's getting better. Yeah.
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Awesome. And how is your light usage? Like are you avoiding screens before bed? Are you getting some sunlight in the morning?
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Yeah, so I do both. So even before? Well no, I've had my dog for a while but I, I was already doing this anyways just because I have a dog. So I'm naturally letting our dogs out in the morning, every morning. And so I just go out with them and I sunlight in my eyes. And then at night I started doing this about maybe like two, two and a half years ago where at night after the sun goes down, I don't use any of the overhead fluorescent lights. I use all like amber lights in my house. Oh, I love it. And it's really helped me because it's helped like signal the melatonin and. And also it's just like a really sexy vibe. Like it just kind of feels like everything is candlelit and I, I love it.
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Amazing. A plus, A plus.
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Yay.
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How about supplementation? I would imagine you've probably got a long list of things you take.
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I do. I actually just started seeing this new doctor recently. And we were both laughing because I lugged it. He was like, just bring in all your supplements. I lugged in this massive bag of supplements and he helped me like pare them down a little bit. So, yeah, I take a lot, but we're working on bringing him down a little, little bit.
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Awesome. Yeah, no supplement overwhelm, please. And I'll just speak to, you know, some of the big supplements we see that can improve biological age are, you know, making sure you've got the right methylation, nutrients on board. Your folate, your B12 NAD can be really helpful or those precursors, you know, if you're going to be supplementing with some organs, like grass fed beef liver is fantastic for rewinding the biological clock. I never put supplements as a top priority. These are like, you know, the icing on the cake at the very end. So we don't need to dive too much into that.
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Okay, cool.
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And then toxins. We'll take a look, we'll take a look a little further down on your toxin panel to, to look at those. But those can absolutely contribute to an older biological age and then trauma can contribute.
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Yeah.
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Do you, do you have any significant trauma that you're aware of?
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I have very significant trauma that we don't have to go into depth because I've actually talked about it a lot on this podcast. But yeah, I lost both of my, my siblings when I was younger at separate times in my life. So a lot of my adult life has been through a lot of therapy, emdr, psilocybin journeys, like I've, I've expressed or I've shared all of this with my, my listeners, all the different modalities of healing that I've gone through. And I think when you have tragedies like that, you never fully get over them. But I've come a long way from where I once was with them, for sure.
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Wow. Thank you so much for sharing.
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Yeah, thank you.
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So, interestingly enough, a study just came out at the end of July in Nature that connected grief specifically with the loss. Two or more losses of a close family member in childhood or early adolescence showed an accelerated biological age via DNA methylation. Is that not the craziest thing? Like the timing of the whole thing right now?
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That is, that's really wild. Also, if we had recorded this earlier, that may have not come out yet, which is also really wild. And I would have never, I probably wouldn't have heard that. Wow. Well, it checks out for me because I lost my sister when I was 8 and then I Lost my little brother when I was 21. So it was earlier in. In childhood, especially with my sister. Yeah.
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So. So that could have been part of. Part of that age acceleration.
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Wow.
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And then the last piece that we haven't quite gotten to yet would be what I call associated conditions. So these would be other medical things that contribute. And you had actually sent me all the other labs that you had run and you had a lot of stuff run a lot. Looks really good. We did find a little H. Pylori, which you were aware of and you were working on. And there is a connection between H. Pylori and biological age acceleration. Also connection between H. Pylori and some fertility struggles in some research. In fact, I've had a handful of couples where really all we did was kill off the H. Pylori and heal the gut, and that's what got them pregnant.
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Wow.
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So I'm so glad you handled that like way back when.
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Me too. Yeah.
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But now getting a little bit more of your history, I think the stress and trauma piece are probably the biggest contributing factors to that older biological age. And it doesn't mean that number won't reverse. But I want to go to our second marker now because I think that is. It definitely is a more accurate marker of all the lifestyle things that you're doing in this moment. So our second marker is called the Dunedin Pace marker. Dunedin Pace algorithm. It's out of Duke University. And this is what's being used in the Rejuvenation Olympics, which is like the aging. The Anti Aging Olympics right now. And it's a very accurate reflection of what you're doing in this moment. And it's very sensitive and it's going to change very quickly based on the changes that you make in the day to day. Whereas the biological age marker, that first one takes a little bit longer to change. So I like this and I call it the Aging speedometer because we can retest in a month and see if those changes that we made are helping you, hurting you or not doing anything, and stop wasting your money on those supplements kind of thing. Dunedin Pace came back at 0.7. And so the range is 0.6 to 1.4. 1.0 is you're aging at the same rate as time. So you can get 0.7. So you're aging slower than time pretty considerably, which means all the, all the lifestyle stuff that you're doing right now, you're right on point. In fact, Brian Johnson, who's like, I think the number one reverse ager in the world or whatever title they're giving and also spends like $2 million a year to on this aging thing. His uniting pace was 0.64. So you're.
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Oh, my God.
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You're hopefully spending a lot less money and almost doing as well as him.
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Wow. Okay. That just made my day. That's crazy. I'm definitely not. I Wish I had 2 million to spend on my health. Well, you don't need it.
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You're good.
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Wow, that's so cool.
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Yeah. So celebrate that. That's fantastic.
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Amazing.
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And then we're going to go look at your toxins. So this is not the most comprehensive toxin panel on the planet. I wish we could figure out how to do that via a finger prick at home. But we look at nine fertility toxins that have been shown to accelerate ovarian aging, meaning age your ovaries faster, specifically, and also have been shown to cause, like, decreased success rates with things like egg freezing and ivf, meaning fewer eg, fewer embryos, poorer quality embryos, et cetera. And it also is crazy to me that more IVF clinics are not utilizing this research because there's a ton of research on it. And I actually have to give a shout out to one of our partners, Pregnancy Safe Cosmetics. Afshan, who founded Pregnancy Safe Cosmetics, has, I don't even know how much, how many years she has spent, like, deep in the research. I think she lives in PubMed, but it has partnered with CNY Fertility, which is, I think they have nine locations across the country, and has implemented a, like, a toxin removal, toxin prevention protocol for their IVF couples and has also created, like, a product line for them and is seeing really good success just removing toxins, which is really fantastic.
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Up.
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Yeah, we're working on the paradigm shift. We really are.
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A
Yes.
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Hope. There's hope. So the toxins we look at, we have a paraben marker, we have a tubis phenol marker. So that's going to be your BPA and bpf. And then we have six different phthalates. And our results show either an N for not present or not exposed, you're not currently being exposed exposed, or a P for present or you know, you are currently being exposed to that toxin. And so also, I'll say we haven't had any results come back yet with zero toxins. Even our cleanest living people come back with at least one, usually two. And so my coaching for everyone around this is it kind of you don't go neurotic like sanity first. You do your best, you do what you can with the avoidance. You support your body in processing these things efficiently. We also have evidence that certain nutrients help mitigate any of the, not all of the negative effect, but really help mitigate the negative effect of some of these exposures. So take away hope. And that again, information is power. If there's a few tweaks you can make great, you know, and take it in holistically. If there's a lot of things to get rid of, you got to clean some stuff up. If there's a few things, you may or may not find the source. And sometimes that can be frustrating. But it is what it is. So Courtney, for you, you did not come back with parabens, so that's great.
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Thank God.
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Bisphenol. So no BPA. Woohoo. However, you did come back with BPF, which I call it BPA's toxic sister.
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Yeah. For people listening that maybe not may not know this. If you're using things that say BPA free, but it's still plastic, chances are it probably was replaced with bpf.
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Yeah.
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A
And I, I'm, I, this one I was actually shocked by because I, I've been pretty aware of that. I'm wondering if I'm getting this from canned sparkling waters.
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So I was gonna ask about like canned goods. Canned. Canned usage. Because a lot of those can say non BPA lining, especially like the good organic ones. And that doesn't mean they're not, it doesn't mean they don't have bpf.
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Yeah. So that's something I have, I have since been on a journey since we did this test of. And not even because of this, because of other things. I found out that all these aluminum cans, the sparkling waters are coming in your Sodas. I mean, hopefully now people are not drinking sodas. But even Ollipop. I love Ollipop, but all these aluminum cans have plastic liners in them.
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B
Yep.
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It's like never ending. But it's also doable. There's a lot of. I'm starting to find more companies that do sparkling water and glass, so I'm just starting to buy that instead.
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Fantastic. Now just watch for the PFAs. Sorry, I don't wanna make you go crazy.
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A
Oh yeah, no, it's true though. The PFA. The PF. Wait, yeah, the PFAS's.
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B
Yep.
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I was like, wait.
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And then also just a reminder on the toxins, which I believe we spoke about this last time. But, you know, so we're looking at it from a conception standpoint of, you know, we want to decrease ovarian aging, we want to improve success with egg freezing or IVF if somebody goes that route. But when these toxins are showing up as present, we're looking at epigenetics, we're looking at the switches that are turning genes on and off. So what this is really saying is that BPF is in your system and it's turning a gene on or off and so it's altering gene expression. Some of these gene switches get passed down in our eggs.
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Yeah. Which is concerning.
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Yeah. So, but again, I'm trying to not be Debbie Downer, doomsday planner. There's a lot of hope. Do your best and let's keep going. So that's our best friend rules. Then we've got our phthalates and you had the MBZP came back present and then your MEHP came back medium, which is pretty standard. Like the reason for the mehp, it's basically low, medium or high because none of the samples that were tested in the studies to create, you know, the correlation between the urine levels of these things and the DNA testing that we're doing. None of the samples had zero amounts in them.
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Interesting. So I'm curious. So the, the, the BPFs, I know where those. Well, I don't know if definitively where it's coming from me, but I know kind of examples of like where you get BPFs. Do you know, examples of where people might be possibly getting, or myself be getting like MBZPs and then the MEHPs, like where are those, those found? Do you know?
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B
So I haven't been able to track the specific metabolites to like a specific type of plastic or fragrance. There may be research out there that I haven't seen yet. There May be somebody. Actually, I should talk to Afshan, my pregnancy Safe cosmetics lady. But the way I typically tell, you know, everybody's like, there's a lot of places that plastics are hiding and we have microplastics in our body. So, you know, is it. Nobody has studied this yet, but like, could this level be reflecting the microplastic, the credit card of microplastic that we're taking in at whatever interval that's possible. And then similarly with fragrances, but. But maybe, maybe a little more obviously. You know, I also am looking to try and figure out, you know, if I walk through a Nordstrom in the mall and I pass through the fragrance aisle just because I have to get to somewhere else, like, how impacted am I by that if I did that the day before I got the test run?
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I wonder about that too.
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Yeah, so there are some com. Confounding compounding factors to think about.
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I was trying to do a quick Google search and they're just trying to see if anything came up. And I ended up on EWG.org so it says the. So the first one that I mentioned, monobenzyl phthalate, which is one of the ones that I have exposure to. It says a breakdown product of, okay, this phthalate used in vinyl flooring, car care products, and some cosmetics. So that's good to know. And then the other one, let's see if this one says any. This one isn't showing anything. I'll look it up later and if I can find anything, I'll add it in the. The. Either in the show notes or like in the intro. But yeah, I was just curious.
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B
I'll actually email Offshun and see if she has specifics on those two.
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A
Okay. Yeah, that'd be awesome. Just so that people know. So were there other ones from that? Because I have a couple questions regarding this. Let's see.
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Those were the only two phthalates that showed up for you. And that's essentially the end of the report. So we did your biological age, we did your aging speedometer, and we did your toxin panel and then the rest of the report, which I don't know if you've had time to go through or not, but essentially the questions that I asked in the beginning with your biological age are all the things we look at for recommendations of what to do to reverse that biological clock and also for toxin avoidance. So good resources. And we've actually just built out more resources on our platform. And now everybody who takes our test actually gets a free one on one consultation with Our functional medicine practitioner.
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Amazing. Yeah. I mean, I just. I love what you. What you were doing with this company. It's incredible. And, you know, like I said a little while ago, not a lot of people are talking this. Talking about this on a large scale. It's starting to happen a little bit, but I feel like mainstream is still not fully aware of this. Like, I feel like often, you know, somebody gets. I don't know if you'd call it a diagnosis, but I'm gonna call it a diagnosis of, like, infertility. And then they're having to go through ivf, and many times they'll go through the whole process without anyone even having a conversation about any of this with them. You know, what's your diet look like? What are you being exposed to? So I think it's incredibly important that you're doing this, and it's also why I wanted to bring you on the podcast and why I wanted to go through the results with. With you so that everybody could hear, because I think this is so important and so many women are struggling with this right now. And. And also, too, for the women listening that are. That maybe are struggling, don't forget your husband or. Sorry, not your. Your man or your. Your partner. Exactly. Are also involved in this. So don't forget to get them tested as well, because it's. It may not even be you. So it's a good reminder to get everybody involved and tested.
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B
Definitely. And I also want to speak to some of the limitations of this test. So this is best for women and couples who know they want to be parents someday and it may not be right now, and are planning for the future and have the time to do the things to make the changes, to rewind the clock so that they can hopefully get pregnant easily when it's time.
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Yes.
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And a healthier cellular. Better cellular health, a lower biological age or a lower Dunedin pace algorithm does translate across the board to healthier hormones, lower inflammation, some of these other hallmarks of aging that also impact fertility. But I also want to just make sure that we speak to some of the things that this test can't test for, because sometimes people struggle for years, and it could have been an easy thing. They could have tested something else and had their answer very quickly. And I share this because I just saw a couple that had been trying for about 18 months, and he had had a semen analysis, but it wasn't even read properly. Like, just say there was an issue with the semen. And also she didn't know if she really had any fertile cervical mucus. And, you know, if in his case the semen was too thick and didn't get to the right consistency for the sperm to actually get out of the semen and into the reproductive tract, and if she doesn't have the right cervical mucus to get those sperm up where they need to go, where fertilization actually happens, it can make fertility very challenging. It can make conception very challenging. And both, you know, blood work wise, look really healthy and, you know, a lot looks fantastic. But it's like if, if there's something very specific that's holding you back, if that specific thing is not addressed, you can suffer for years. And I share this because, one, I don't want people to suffer, but it's the importance of getting a really thorough workup of and also working with a functional medicine practitioner. And sometimes that's in combination with a conventional fertility clinic to get a semen analysis done, although there's at home testing for that now too, which is fantastic. So there's a lot of things to look at. And the earlier you start and prepare, the easier it is and the more time that you have. And so, Courtney, I just want to acknowledge you for starting early, planning ahead, and also just for as much as you've taken care of yourself over the years, because that makes such a huge difference.
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Yeah, I mean, one, one thing to consider is you might want to just retest first and see if there's still an issue. Or do you.
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A
Could.
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B
You could also do a different toxin test, like a urine test, and just see, you know what, in this moment, because these results are a little bit older at this point, so that's one thing. But typically the. So, so you did mention cosmetics. So, you know, the, and the phthalates are a particularly insidious group because they're, they're in so many different types of, of products and chemicals and, and, and.
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Yeah, and they're in the packaging. I mean, it's. The phthalates are scary. They're concerning.
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B
Yes. So. So they are what make the plastic more flexible. So I think, you know, when I was in naturopathic medical school, I think one of our professors actually pulled out like, a roll of like, the Glad. What was it? I mean, it's the plastic wrap.
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A
Oh, yeah, the plastic wrap. Like Saran Wrap.
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B
Saran Wrap. Yeah. That's what it is. And I was like, here is, here is like all the phthalates right now. Breathe them in like as a joke.
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A
Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. I mean, I haven't even bought that stuff in like 10 years. And I'm so grateful.
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B
Yeah, I'm so glad. We have like so many alternatives these days, like the beeswax wraps and the. Yes, you know, glass and silicone and all that sort of fun stuff. But one, I would just say start to notice what you use on a daily basis, everything you touch, everything you put in your mouth, on your face, on your skin, and just start to get curious and notice, could there be some sort of like plastic component to this thing in this thing? And that's hard because we've got supplement bottles, you know, that are plastic. And you know, is this, are the, the lights coming from those? Probably not, because again, the more flexible something is, typically the more daylighty exposure is going to happen. That's not a very scientific term.
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It got the point across though.
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Yeah, but like vinyl flooring, for example, was like the other thing you listed on that one particular day late. And that's because of like, that's like a. There's a, the vinyl, the plastic compound. There's other off gassing chemicals that come from vinyl flooring that are pretty awful as well.
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You know what I'm wondering? I got a new car last year and I'm like, yeah, I'm wondering if there's maybe a connection there. And you know, and this goes back to like what we were kind of saying in the beginning. It's like, look, you do the best you can there. You can't control everything. You know, I'm not going to not get a new car when I need one. So it's just about being mindful. And you know, I'm sure people listening are going to wonder this for phthalates, can we detox those? Like, I know we can sauna and we can do certain things, but like, I think part of the concern is that they're a little bit harder to get rid of. Am I wrong?
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So always avoidance is number one.
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Yeah.
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B
And then let me just double check this really quick because I have a little bit of pregnancy brain in this moment. So here's an article that says they are rapidly metabolized and excreted in urine, not accumulated within the body.
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Okay, that's good, that's good.
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So they should be non. So they should be non persistent. They should be metabolized and excreted once the exposure stops. You know, one of the things I've learned is that, you know, all science is evolving and so sometimes, you know, like, let's talk molds, for example. You know, one of the trainings that I originally did, learning about, like, mold toxicity and mold exposure, said, you know, all these certain types of molds are, you know, excreted from the body within a certain amount of time, so it shouldn't show up if, you know, if the exposure was in the. If it shows up, the exposure is current is basically what that was saying. And then I did another training, you know, two years later, and this training was like, no, absolutely. They're. They're stored in the fatty tissue of the body and you can. Can see and they're bound to albumin and, you know, and a little bit is, you know, mycotoxin specific perhaps. But it's interesting that, you know, science evolves, information evolves. And so, you know, supporting the routes of elimination, urination, bowel movements, breath.
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Yeah.
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Drainage, lymphatic system, Sweating. Sweating, yep. So getting, you know, so number one, avoidance, two, drainage, opening the routes of elimination, and then three, perhaps supporting nutrients or supporting liver more specifically with herbs. Nutrients, etc, or supporting kidneys more specifically, if that's how it's eliminated. So amazing.
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A
That's super helpful. You know, another thing I just thought of that might be helpful for the listeners. When I was living in la, so just for. To give everybody context as to where we are right now, depending on when you listen to this podcast. I was living in LA when I got this test done, and I have since moved to Denver with my fiance. I was admittedly eating at Erewhon, like almost every day. And the reason I bring this up is because those boxes that you get your food in and you get. You get a lot of the food hot there, they're lined with plastic. And I just thought of this. I was like, I wonder if that was also maybe contributing to that too. So a reminder that if you are getting a lot of takeout to be a little bit more mindful of that, maybe see if, like, you can, I don't know, have them put it in glass or. I don't know what the workaround is in that, but. But just something to be mindful of for everybody listening.
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B
Definitely. I think the worst example is like, you know, and I've definitely done this, you order Thai food and you get this, like, hot, acidic, thin plastic, like, container that's about to fall apart. And I'm sure that's just like plastic soup that you're eating, but we forget that even the healthy places, you know, whether it's the regular plastic container or whether it's the box that if it were actually paper, the food would seep right through. So, you know, there's gotta be plastic lining it. That's a really good reminder. Really good reminder for everybody.
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A
Yeah. I actually posted about that last week on my stories because I was. Hector and I were craving pho really bad and I was, I couldn't, first of all, I couldn't even find a healthy place in Denver that would deliver because we were getting home late from traveling. And I was like, oh, do I really want to cook all this from scratch right now? And I was like, okay, I can't find anything that has healthy ingredients. And then I was like, you know what, What? I don't want to do this anyways because I know it's going to come in one of those big plastic tubs, it's going to be piping hot and in plastic. And we know that when you heat up plastic that it causes all those chemicals to leach out. And I know it's really, it's, it's such a bummer, you know, but it's also something that people need to be aware of.
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B
Yeah.
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A
You know, choice.
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B
You, it, it. And it's again, information is power. Like, once you know what the potential risks are, you can decide whether or not you want to eat that, the soup out of the plastic or not. And maybe one time in a year, maybe that's worth, you know, maybe the risk is minimal and that's fine and you get to enjoy yourself. But it is the habits that you. It's the habits, it's the daily habits, the weekly habits, what you're doing consistently that really impact you in the long term, 100%.
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A
If you are ordering Thai food once a year and you get that piping hot plastic soup, I'm not worried about you because I do it too. But it's more about if you're ordering that five nights a week, I would maybe try to reconsider that. Yeah, exactly. Okay. So. Okay, there's one more thing I want to, to say and then I kind of want to wrap this up, but I'm reading actually in your test that it says EGCG from green tea, which is famously in Matcha, green tea helps to protect against certain toxin induced damage. So I have been drinking matcha every single day actually since I did this test because of the antioxidant properties. So it's just another reminder that there's little things that we can do, things that we can take that can at least help help protect our bodies. To be a little bit more resilient to these things because again, I want to remind their listener that nobody is going to be perfect. You have said this several times on this call or on this, you know, podcast today that everybody is coming back with with exposures, even the people that are being the most diligent. So the point of this whole episode is not to make you live in fear or to have you go just absolutely insane about every product and every food and everything that you're putting in, in and on your body. It's more just to help you become aware. And if there is something that you are struggling with, like, for example, fertility, hopefully maybe this will shine some light on something that can help you. But this is certainly not to meant. Meant to make you live in fear. It's just a good reminder that there's a lot of things we can do and then there's some things that we can't control. And sadly, in this modern world, we're all getting exposed to this stuff, you know, so we're all just doing the best we can. Yeah. And so I just wanted to remind women of that. And then I wanted to end asking you. Okay, so now that we've gone over everything and you've given some really amazing advice, what would be kind of your takeaways as far as, like, after seeing my results, like, what would be maybe your top advice for me moving forward?
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B
Yeah, I would say you're doing a lot of things right. I think the biggest areas for reversal are going to be in the self talk. And, you know, I don't know if there's more to do around the trauma or not. That's something that you kind of have to decide if you feel like there is or not. But I think the decreasing overall stress. So if that's work related, if that's the self talk related, I think that's probably the most impactful change you can make. And our biggest epigenetic input is really our thoughts because we're getting however many millions of those inputted into our system on a daily basis. And I think that overpowers a little bit of toxin exposure, to be quite honest. So for you, I would just focus on being as gentle and sweet and nourishing for yourself as you, nurturing and nourishing as you can, and keep doing all the amazing work that you're doing. And I would maybe say, and this is a little bit more of like an injection intuitive share as opposed to like, this is what your lab say.
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A
But.
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B
But I would say, okay, so the Words that are coming through are take your hands off the wheel a little bit.
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A
That is like the most real thing somebody has sending me in a long time. Okay, I'm listening. I hear you. I don't know, but.
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B
I don't.
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A
I love it. I love it.
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B
I don't think your top priority is reversing that top number. Right now. I think your top priority is how can you get into the energetics of fertility when it. For when it's time. And maybe that's not a right now thing, maybe that's a future thing, but starting to feel into. What does that mean for you and what does that feel like for you? Because I find the energetics are very powerful, and I wish there were a way we could actually test that. Maybe somebody will figure that out one day. Maybe I'll figure that out.
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A
That'd be awesome.
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B
But I would say for you, it's not about more work and more things to do right now. It's about, okay, enjoy the journey. You've worked so hard. You're doing so amazing. Enjoy it. Focus on what you want to feel like in those energetics of conception. What is that for you? And. And decrease that stress piece as much as you can and improve that self talk. That's what I would say for you.
- [60:05]
A
Amazing. Thank you. That. Let's just say that very much resonates.
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B
Good. I'm glad.
- [60:15]
A
Oh. Without having to share too many details, it very much resonates. Um, well, we went over. I. Yeah, we went over all my questions, and I just want to say thank you so much. I'm so grateful for your time, and I'm sure all the listeners are grateful that you went through all this with me because I think it's pretty cool to hear what the whole process. Process looks like. And hopefully people took away takeaways that may be able to help them on their fertil fertility journey. And then if you want to just share everybody with everybody where they can find you and then also where they can find the test if they want to do it.
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B
Yep. So clockwise.com clockwise with a Z because I'm Dr. Z. And Instagram, we're at Clockwise Fertility, and I'm at Drzigoni, and we're excited to help shift the paradigm. We're excited to help more women and more couples. We're excited to help all these little babies come in. And. And I'm so grateful, you know, to be here with you. Courtney. Thank you for. For having me and for sharing our message and. And sharing your mission.
- [61:12]
A
Thank you. Thank you so much for your time and congratulations on your pregnancy.
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B
I'm so excited for you and congratulations on your engagement.
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A
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