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Courtney Swan
On today's episode of the Real Foodology Podcast.
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Dr. John Kim
So the number one rule of medicine is what?
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Courtney Swan
Do no harm. Yep.
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Dr. John Kim
We're not doing that at this point in time. So how do we prevent this from happening?
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Courtney Swan
Hi friends. Welcome back to another episode of the Real Foodology Podcast. We're back with part two of my conversation with Dr. John Kim of Kim Wellness. This episode dives even deeper from mold and heavy metal detox to the latest autism announcement, optimal nutrition and and how true healing starts at the cellular level. If you haven't listened to part one, go back and start there so you can catch the full story. Let's jump back in. As always, if you want to take a moment to rate and review, it really does help the show. It takes just a few seconds. You can do it in your Apple or Spotify app and the support really means a lot. Thank you guys so much. Thank you for listening and I hope you enjoy the show. Vimergy Liquid Vitamins they're here to show us the real mouth of America where we take billions of pills every day. For years we've been told that pills mean fewer problems, but many are loaded with pesticides, preservatives and fillers. No wonder we often feel worse. Fatigue one day, stress the next, restless nights after that. But thanks to Vimergy, there's another way. Vimergy is fast absorbing liquid vitamins that are pure, potent and made from timeless ingredients. There's no sugars, binders or preservatives, just what your body body needs to support immunity, energy, mood and sleep. Some of their popular products are Lemon Balm which is a calming herb that supports emotional balance, stress relief and focus. They also have magnesium which is essential for muscle relaxation, sleep and overall nervous system health. Zinc is important for immune defense, skin health and cellular repair. And of course their organic B12 which is a customer favorite of theirs for energy, mental clarity and nervous system support. It's vegan, friendly and fast absorbing. It's time to take charge of your health on terms. Stop relying on pills and start saving yourself. With Vimergy Liquid Vitamins, new customers can save 20% off their first order with code real foodology. Just visit vimergy.com that's V I M E R G Y.com and use code Real Foodology at checkout. I will never forget this for the rest of my life. When I was in college, I was a junior in college, my mom came out to visit me and she was in my apartment and she wanted to make dinner for us and when I pulled out My nonstick pans. She gasped at me in horror saying I'm taking you shopping tomorrow and we are tossing out all these nonstick pans and I'm getting you stainless steel pans. This was in 2005. This was 20 years ago. My mom told me to toss my nonstick cookware and the reason why is because they're loaded with forever chemicals, also known as pfas. And this is why I switched to toxin free cookware. And I have never turned back. I love our place. They make high performance toxin free cookware. Their products are made without forever chemicals like PFAs and PTFEs. So you can cook confidently without wondering what's in your pan. Except for what you're cooking of course. And they have a cookware set that will upgrade your kitchen in just one fell swoop. In fact, I wish that this was around in college cause this is probably what we would have done. This set includes two multifunctional always pans and two perfect pots in mini and full sizes that replace a bulky expensive stack of cookware with just four pieces that you can sear, saute, fry, bake, boil, roast, steam, steam and so much more. It also saves you $150 on the cookware set with the bundle and save option. They also have a non toxic air fryer that I love. I tell everyone to buy it. I love everything they make and it's all so beautiful and aesthetically pleasing. They make everything look like an art piece and I just, I love it so much. So stop cooking with toxic cookware and upgrade to our place today. Visit fromourplace.com Real Foodology and use code Real Foodology for 10% off sitewide. Again that's fromourplace.com Real Foodiology and use code Real Foodology for ten percent off site wide. With 100 day risk free trial free shipping and returns. You can experience this game changing cookware with zero risk. I'm taking a lot of supplements right now because I'm on a specific protocol to get rid of the the glyphosate, the babesia, the mold. But it I'm not going to. I want to get off a lot of them but there I feel like there are a couple supplements that I'll probably always take and one of them will probably be the Body Bio IOPC just because of how it helps build the.
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Dr. John Kim
Cellular resiliency. Resiliency and cellular health.
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Courtney Swan
Exactly. And I think and because of that and everything that you just explained, it helps with the glyphosate. It helps Just get all these toxins out of the body and actually if I'm not allowed to share this, then we'll just cut it out. So let me know if I'm not. But I shared a lot on my Instagram so people that follow me have probably, probably know what I'm talking about. They've seen this. But I keep, I periodically will share this chart on my Instagram and say, you know, this was a patient of body bio that had you know, heavy, high heavy metals, high glyphosate. There was a bunch of different stuff on there, pfas.
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Dr. John Kim
That was actually my client. Okay, yes, that's my client. And specifically we end up having to utilize oral form of phospholipids. Right. And that was a six month process in clearing it out. So.
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Courtney Swan
And they all went down after they were taking the body biopc.
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Dr. John Kim
Right. And specifically that test is coming from utilizing a looking at how certain toxins end up having to cause something called the DNA adduct. And we know specifically that these tests is. This test is called igl and as Specifica is able to know, and we know for sure from the lab testing that these certain toxins that impacting cellular health and specifically your DNA is able to clear it out based on these protocols of utilizing implementing body bio PC and balanced oil and sodium butyrate. Those are really impactful things. I don't think there's any other tests out there that's actually showing that kind of improvement in the cellular health in that we could do all the toxin testing we want to. And also another thing that the toxin testing wise, even though it's very good to test for, there's a limitation of it. The reason being is what you dump out in the urine is what you see. So why that's an important factor for me to discuss about is mold toxins specifically those are lipophilic and so they actually lodge in the fat tissues. So if you've been chronically been exposed to mold toxins, also heavy metals, for instance, you're not able to let those things go properly. So when you're doing your mycotoxin testing initially you may see the level to be very low, but then three months later, let's just say if you want to repeat that because now you're opening up and solubilizing these toxins and getting them out, you can see higher levels of this and soft oftentimes patients like why am I level so high? Well, it is good to see a high level, but also the timing really matters in terms of when that's going to be. So why this important discussion for me to make is I like to address more the environment, nervous system, and cellular health first, and then really helping to see if testing is appropriate at that point in time is really important. That saves a lot of money for patients as well. And this is a part that I often don't like how functional medicine is being played at this point. Right. It's all about ordering bunch of labs, bunch of supplements to take, and then it just doesn't end. At least have some kind of roadmap. So this way, your client that you're working with as patients out there, you're listening out there, at least you want to know where you're starting and where you're ending. That's the important part.
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Courtney Swan
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. And you don't want to just be chasing this stuff forever. I want to talk about something that has been really big in the news lately, and that's autism. And it's big for many reasons. One, you know, of course, RFK announced the beginning of this year that by September they were going to say, you know, they were going to announce their findings that they found so far about what they think causes autism. Now, there was a lot of pushback from people saying, oh, you know, how is he going to come back and say that so quickly? You know, he only has nine months to do that. But I think you probably have a lot to say about this because we've known a lot of this stuff for a long time. It just has not come to the mainstream yet. And this is something that I have been really frustrated with because just let's take the Tylenol in connection with acetaminophen, which is Tylenol. Tylenol is just the brand name, but there has been a long standing connection between acetaminophen and autism. And I'll let you explain why, but I knew about this like five years ago. I've referenced the studies before on my podcast. So we've known about this. But the problem is, is that our current medical system has been really bad about getting this type of information out to people. And then I found out that you've actually known about the connection for 20 years. So to me, it was no surprise that he was going to be able to come out and say, you know, we, we've, we know about the. A lot of these different connections with autism, but it's really unfort for the families that have been struggling and trying to look for answers and maybe people that are just now starting Their journey with. With someone that was diagnosed with autism. And it's really unfair to those families that we have not gotten this information out to them yet.
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Dr. John Kim
Yeah, it's a tough topic to discuss about. And specifically this is my opinion. And there's nothing against rfk. I think that they end up having to cherry pick the data into what they want to talk about. So I just want to lay that out.
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Courtney Swan
And there's a lot of pressure from Big Pharma too. Let's not forget about that.
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Dr. John Kim
Yeah, correct. There's. There's a lot interplay in terms of the lobby groups as and Big Pharma. And so I'm questioned. There's a lot of stress getting involved in doing so and I don't want to ever be in that kind of position to announce it naturally. And a lot of flak and the stress is getting involved. I mean, working in that environment, stress to begin with. Now you now have to dart bullets, basically.
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Courtney Swan
Yeah. I mean, literally. Literally, yeah.
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Dr. John Kim
So let's talk about the Tylenol piece and how that's into play. So Tylenol in itself is cinemidophenous. Why is such a widespread use? But secondly, why is it dangerous? Right. Dangerous. Quote, unquote, could be, you know, point that I like to at least put in a quote is because if you, let's just say overdose, and if you're looking at the statistic of some of the liver damage that goes on and having to visit, er, Tylenol's number one, it's not alcohol, it's actually Tylenol. Right. It's very easy to overdose because it's. It's out there to begin with and.
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Courtney Swan
It'S over the counter, which. Sorry to interrupt you, but I just read this. Apparently whoever oversees the regulations of, whoever decides what is going to be over the counter versus prescription actually came out later and said that they regret making it over the counter because of how much people are getting harmed by Tylenol thinking that it's not dangerous at all.
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Dr. John Kim
Yeah, yeah. So it is quite dangerous. If you take more than 4,000 milligrams or 4 grams of Tylenol within 24 hours, you end up having to cause irreversible liver damage. Right. So in the context of, er, medicine, for instance, if you're trying to reverse liver damage, that coming from Tylenol, that would end up having to specifically use N acyl cysteine. Right. That is a glutathione precursor to reverse these things. Why am I talking about this? Well, when you're Taking Tylenol, it actually depletes glutathione. So how does that occur? Is Tylenol end up having to at least acetaminophen turns into a toxic metabolite called NAPQ is N A P Q I. And that in itself is very hepatotoxic as one, but also can endlessly end up having to deplete glutathione production at the same time. So when you actually having glutathione depletion to begin with now, it should causing additional oxidative stress and damage in the cells and it can be very much irreversible. And glutathione is necessary for not only for detox, but also helping with immune regulation, also hormone regulation. Right. And at the same time it actually helps to play into helping antioxidant production and multiple other pathways into doing that. But how did tolerant have to come into play is you have to kind of go back to the whole cannabis part. How does cannabis and that come into play is there's a component of the cannabis is extracted and the particular toxic metabolite is what nat key is. And that's where they end up having to be impacting in terms of creating that particular damaging. But when you're taking cannabis alone, it's not gonna cause that problem, but when you isolate a particular compound from that cannabis and that's what you end up having to create. And this is what big pharma does, right? They end up having to take a natural component of certain plant, for instance, they extract it out and they end up using it. And there are good things out there, for instance, like digoxin, which is supposed to help to regulate arrhythmia that's been extracted from a digitalis plant. Right. Flower specifically. And it's very helpful. But when you're isolating a couple things like that can be very dangerous when you're using it incorrectly. So how does end up having to impact autism? Discussion? Well, I have to say that Tylenol does not specifically cause autism, but it's just one of the components that we have to look at. Right. And I made a point and back in 2008 I completed my training in through defeat autism. Now there was a group of physicians and pharmacists and other practitioners getting involved to creating a safe haven for supporting autism spectrum families, but also helping creating trainings available for doctors to be out there and especially pharmacists as well to helping these ASD community by utilizing biomedical treatments specifically. Back then I ended up having to Do a lot of sterile compounds. So we used to make methylcobalamin injections, for instance, and other injectables for kids to utilize, such as leucovorin injections. One of the things that they were discussing last week.
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Courtney Swan
Oh yeah, that's the medication that they're seeing fully.
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Dr. John Kim
Yeah, yeah. So the help kids. Yeah, yes. And then other things in terms of utilizing oral suspension. So we used to make customized vitamins for kids with spectrum disorders. Although the profound thing that we utilized was oxytocin nasal spray.
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Courtney Swan
Interesting.
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Dr. John Kim
That in itself creates more of a bonding aspect that creates between the child who's dealing with autism as well as the parent. But namely another thing that would utilize this to actually help to help create a safer heaven and feeling more of a connection for the child. So this way they are able to see the doctor and be better connected in terms of their care. So those are things that really help impacting that. And one of the things that helped me change that, how autism can be reversed. And I'm not saying that it's 100% reversal, but it is, it can be reversed because there was a one scenario where I actually had a client who's grandfather came in to pick up the child's methocobalamin injection. Methylcobalamin is a methylated B vitamin. Right. It's an active form of it. And methylcobalamin actually helps not only help with the Krebs cycle and then also the ATP production, but specifically it helps to create glutathione and detox. Right. One of the things that impacting this child was that the child was non verbal until he was using methylcobalamin injections. So the grandfather was willing to wait for the medication and he says, and before he was leaving, this was the only thing that actually helped my grandson to talk. Right. So that in itself becomes a really impactful moment for a practitioner like myself and looking at that and positive change that goes on that autism spectrum can be reversible and can help in that. And I've seen kids who were non verbal became verbal and then now they're thriving. They went to college and having an adult life that are not depending on their parents. And this is a part that's really sad for a lot of the ASD families. Yes, it's painful to raise them, but at the end when they become 18, you also have to claim a guardianship in doing that. So there's a lot of legal issues at the same time. Lastly, what are you going to do if the parents is not there? Who's going to take care of them. So there's a lot of stress involved getting there and then the siblings are getting impacted because they're getting neglected into their care because all that attention goes to the a sibling who's dealing with asd. So there's a lot of interplay there.
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Courtney Swan
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Dr. John Kim
They would express. They understand everything.
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Courtney Swan
Yeah. Because he was like, I can't talk. I can't express anything except for putting my finger on these letters. And it's heartbreaking.
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Dr. John Kim
It's heartbreaking. But you just made a very good point in terms of the flapping of the hand and rocking motion, that's a sign of a gut inflammation in a child.
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Courtney Swan
Interesting.
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Dr. John Kim
And gluten actually causes more of that inflammation.
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Courtney Swan
Wow.
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Dr. John Kim
Gluten, for instance, you know, it turns as, you know, it turns to cloudamorphone, actually has a similar property to morphine, actually works on the morphine receptor. But when you see a morphine addict, for instance, I'm very basically putting this very simply, and there's a lot more explanation beyond that. But when you see a morphine addict, for instance, that rocking motion that goes on constantly, it creates that issue. And then when you see a child who's dealing with asd, there's a similar aspect that you're dealing with. Right. And then the lashing out and the violence aspect, that could be a mixture of pans and pandas at the same time. That's interplay in terms of other co infections like Bartonella infection and mold toxicity, for instance, as well. So there's a lot of interplay of it. So I know kind of, I kind of digress. But going back into why Tylenol is such an important factor to discuss about is because when you are factoring the causation of autism spectrum, you can't just isolate one problem. And this is a part that I might get a lot of flack about from the asa, some of the other families who has children with ASD or other people who are quote, unquote, anti vaxxers that the vaccine end up having to cause autism. There's a bit of truth into what they're saying as well. I'm not discounted as well. I'm in that community. I understand this. Right. But there's a whole lot of other things in terms of that kid's vulnerability. Number one is the mitochondrial health of the mother. The health of the mitochondria of the child is dictated based on the mitochondria of the mother itself. Mother end up having to pass on that mitochondrial DNA gene to the child. And that becomes more the focal point of how resilient, cellularly resilient the child is going to be. So if a mother is actually being exposed to different toxins, for instance, like mold or heavy metals and all the things that goes on that becomes a very weak mitochondrial DNA the mother's actually passing onto. So you're creating a child who's less resilient. Less resilient. So that, and then now the child's born and then there's all this series of vaccines that could come into play. That's number one, including Hep B. Right. And then the other things that could be coming into play is exposure to different toxins. Right. It could be exposure to emf. Blue light aspect that I talked about the circadian effect as well. But other thing is genetic polymorphism. If the child actually has MTHFR gene issue, especially when the mother and the father actually having this particular gene issue, it creates a higher risk of actually of this risk factor. Not saying that they're going to be having asd, but they already are in a vulnerable state to begin with and something's going to push it over. So I call it more the Humpty Dumpty effect. The Humpty Dumpty is sitting on a wall and nothing's going on. Even the shaky, it's fine. But that one stressor come in and push him over, his shell completely cracks. Right. And that's what an ASD child is basically it. Right. It's just that one particular stressor ended up having to create that mess and tip them over. So the main discussion is tunnel is a discussion could be when you have a series of vaccines the child is getting and child is actually febrile and the things that the pediatrician that would recommend is tunnel or Advil or at least mixture of it. So when you're having Tylenol and the child's already having vulnerability with methylation, it's not up to create glutathione. That glutathione production reserve is already low. Right?
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Courtney Swan
Yeah.
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Dr. John Kim
So that in itself can actually push the child over to that state. So the Tylenol didn't create the mess. It's already having a unshaky, at least shaky terrain to begin with and just creating a bigger mess in that sense of that. Now there's a lot more discussion that we could put into play in terms of sulfation having issues. Right. And then methylation. Now all the things that come into play including is it interrelated to, you know, the whole infection component. Does a Lyme disease, is it mold? There's a lot of things going on. I, I, I have a friend whose son is autistic and she thinks that it's because when she actually had him they were living in a moldy house. So is that the main discussion? He also had a one shot of dtap, was that the pushing over? We don't know that. Right. But all in all is that there are causations that can actually play, but there's no clear indication or 100% connection that these are the things that's going to cause it. So why such a important discussion to look at is in terms of. When I said the Trump administration having to cherry pick the data, they did because there's other things going on. I think they need to discuss about everything instead of just key points in terms of the Luke of War, at least the folate discussion and then just the tunnel itself. Right. They have to look at everything.
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Courtney Swan
I think the. I actually don't know because I haven't talked to Bobby or anybody in that camp about this, but my assumption is that this is going to be an ongoing thing, that they're going to slowly start releasing more stuff. Yeah, absolutely.
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Dr. John Kim
So I don't say, you know, saying that I'm mad or anything, but it's just created much more controversy than anything. Right. And then there are now medical doctors and my pharmacy colleagues as well saying that there's no clear data doing so. There are studies showing that there are causation of hormone dysregulation as well as other interplay in terms of childhood development issues. There are studies already doing that, but there's no strong data to state that this is 100% causation of causing autism or developmental issues. But still, if you have a data, you have to take precaution. So the number one rule of medicine is what?
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Courtney Swan
Do no harm. Yep.
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Dr. John Kim
We're not doing that at this point in time. Right. And just because saying that this patient didn't get affected doesn't mean that this other patient is not gonna be affected because there's other interplanets of genes, the mitochondrial health, exposure to different toxins and all that. So those are all epigenetic outliers that we have to also discuss about. So there needs to be ongoing discussion and discussion of this. So how do we prevent this from happening? This is the part, this is the part that's really heartbreaking for me to watch a child who's been doing well, at least from the parent standpoint, that they've been progressed very well and all of a sudden they went down. How do we prevent that? Is number one, has to start before the woman concludes conception. Yeah, the conception pre care is very, very important. So not just a woman in Terms of looking at, I'll recommend doing a total talks panel. I'll looking at, I'll do a stool sampling on a young woman. I would also recommend doing a organic acid testing to see how well the mitochondria is functioning and then nutritional panel testing as well to really looking at interplay of all these different things. But specifically men as well, right? If men, if there is a interplay of their lifestyle issue that could also impact their nutrient they need specifically there's been interplay of how zinc depletion can actually has been interlinked to autumn spectrum disorder. Right. So there's certain amount of data on that. But certain lifestyle, certain use of things like marijuana can actually affect DNA methylation of the sperm. And that in itself can, or at least there's no clear studies showing that it's causing autism. But if you already know within the cell study saying that use of marijuana for instance can actually cause DNA methylation problem in the sperm wouldn't be one of the focal point. Then we have to really clean up the lifestyle of a person.
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Courtney Swan
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Dr. John Kim
Oh, yeah, well, that was not supposed to. That's not for him. No.
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Courtney Swan
I just love to give him shit.
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Dr. John Kim
No, but it's very important, right?
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Courtney Swan
But it is. It's the importance of making sure that not only mom is healthy, but also dad is healthy. And I think that is the part of the discussion that we are not having on a national level yet. We're having it in these small circles of functional, integrative doctors, people like myself. And you're seeing it all over Instagram now. It's like, okay, before you conceive, you gotta make sure that dad is healthy and also mom is healthy. Because this is all gonna play in. I mean, I've been on this detox protocol for the last couple months because I really would like to get pregnant. And I'm trying to clean up my cells and my body and my mitochondria as much as possible, because I would love to have a very healthy baby and avoid any of this if I can. And I think my thoughts. I actually did a video about this recently. These are my thoughts. And I've based these thoughts off of talking to people like yourself and other experts in the field. I think eventually what we with autism is that what's happening is it's that there's the conversation we have a lot about the toxin overload where you have a bucket and you just keep throwing more toxins and more toxins in and eventually it overflows. And I think what we're dealing with is a toxin overflowing right now where mom's being exposed to all this stuff. She's unaware of it. We're not communicating this to the general public. She gets pregnant, maybe dad has been exposed to a lot of stuff as well. And then baby is born, has super low resiliency. And it's pretty much all that you've already said. But you, you know, then you add in the vaccines that have formaldehyde and aluminum and all this other stuff. And then maybe you took Tylenol while you were pregnant and depleted the glutathions. And then the baby isn't able to release all the toxins because the glutathione is really low. Because we know glutathione helps the liver process and get toxins out. And it's the exposures of all these things. And I think it's just the compounding effect of all the exposures that we're getting exposed to living in this modern life.
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Dr. John Kim
Absolutely. And then you also have to looking at if a woman actually used birth control pills back in the day.
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Courtney Swan
Oh, that too.
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Dr. John Kim
Right. So I'm not saying that birth control pills causing autism, but what I want to at least address, I talked about the nutritional part, but lifestyle really matters. Right. In terms of what you've been exposed to, what you use specifically really matters as well. So why birth control pill? Right. You have number of young women getting to take birth control pill as if it's some kind of acceptable lifestyle they need to take. I'm not, not bashing on people who need to take it. Right. That's not the point. But at least know what issue you could actually have taking birth control pills. Birth control pills specifically cause nutritional depletion. Drug induced nutritional depletion, specifically CoQ10, magnesium, vitamin D, manganese, B vitamins, specifically B6, B12. Right. All those things that you need for homocysteine cycling methylation that's already depleted end up having to also deplete folate, which is also needed for healthy pregnancy. Right. So you have already have a folate deficiency to begin with. Now you're actually trying to have a child. That's another issue in terms of possibility connection, no one knows that yet. I'm just like hypothesizing so don't quote me on that, but that's just one of the key things. So knowing that these are things going to impact that, then you really need to see how to optimize your health. So this is where proper lab testing is so important. Taking organic acid testing, all that. Because there are also studies showing taking birth control pills impacting mitochondrial function specifically, it also reduces some of the vitamins like vitamin A, D, E and K also being depleted at the same time. So these are all necessary co factor of nutrients that you need for healthy hormone regulation. Right. That's another thing. Thyroid function, neurotransmitters and cellular resiliency, these are all part of the things that are being affected. And you also seen birth control pills which been given to younger female athletes. For instance, their athletic resiliency goes down. Right. So how is that impacting to cellular health? Very poor. Right. So there's really important parts to really discuss about. So taking a thorough history from a clinical standpoint is really important. Asking the right questions. Also another thing that I would also recommend this kind of offside of it. If you have gone through heavy amounts of trauma issues, probably a good idea to work on yourself for one or two years, see a therapist. I mean, that's something that really be impactful as well. And I didn't realize how impact of the particular part is impacted my health before. But now working with people dealing with hypersensitivity issues or Dysonomia that plays a huge role, not just about mold or toxins, it's really healthy, dysregulated, the nervous system becomes or became from trauma and generational issues that they'll be dealing with. So that's a really important discussion to be looking at.
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Courtney Swan
You brought up the folic acid piece, which I think is also another thing that we will discover. It will come out in time that we really messed up when we started fortifying all of our grains with folic acid and replacing folate with folic acid in supplements. So folic acid is the synthetic form of vitamin B9, which is also known as folate. Well, folate is vitamin B9, naturally occurring. And we need to be taking folate. We keep hearing, take your folic acid, take your folic acid. I actually saw this influencer make a video this weekend. It made me so mad because he cut something from Paul Saladino. And Paul Saladino said, when you're pregnant, do not take folic acid. And he cut it right there. Instead of letting Paul Saladino actually explain why he was saying that and then he goes off on this tangent, like this is so horrible, it's so harmful for women, they need folic acid. Blah blah, blah, blah blah. Folic acid is the synthetic form of vitamin B9. What we need to be taking is folate, which is the natural form of vitamin B9, like I already said. And what he continued to say in his video Paul Saladino was don't take folic acid, take folate. Now if you want to take it a step further. And we know that 60% of women in this country have something called the motherfucker gene, otherwise known as mthfr, which is what I have, I love calling it that, but I actually have this MTHFR gene and what happens is my body cannot synthesize folic acid and create folate. Now we also know that in kids who have autism they have lower levels of folate in the brain. Now I'm wondering what's happening there is that maybe women are taking folic acid and the babies are not actually getting enough folate because they're not taking folate. And then you add on top of that, if a baby, baby has mthfr, they're not even able to synthesize folic acid into folate. So I'm sure that there's, we're gonna, we're only gonna be able to unravel that further and understand what's going on there too.
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Dr. John Kim
But why is folic acid so important? It's actually helped to indirectly help produce glutathione. So there's a whole thing called a methionine pathway. So when you have homocysteine, for instance, homocysteine gets recycled to methionine and that pathway of recycling Requires Folate and B12 and that itself end up having to help create glutathione, right? So that's the part that's often missed about. So but that also gets affected from blue light exposure as well. There's been studies showing that. So that's why like I mentioned about, we need to look at everything in terms of the environmental factor in doing so. So that's another reason like I'm, I'm. Don't take this the wrong way and listeners out there, if you're living in a city, right. For instance, if you're getting bombarded by all these different type of environmental talks I mentioned about the WI fi and then EMF and blue light, pregnancy wise, in order to be successful, you have to create a cellular safety, right? If you're bombarded by these stressors, that safety is not being created and that's going to also affect, not only about having a proper resiliency, having, you know, pregnancy is one thing, but also affecting your hormone, your microbiome statuses and as well as your methylation, which is very, very important for detox but not also healthy pregnancy. So that's why like this a part that you really have to create. So if you're living in a city, for instance, you have to be extra, extra in terms of hard work to create a better cellular resiliency, to create a, A, a better pregnancy.
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Courtney Swan
Yeah.
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Dr. John Kim
Right. So that's the part that's often really not talked about. You know, why is there such a high levels of infertility going on? Specifically infertility issues within the higher epsilon of educated people? Yeah, that's the part that I was kind of wondering and I, I did some deep, deep search and there were some outliers in terms of the more educated folks end up having to have better resources to go and then looking at different resources and to be officially diagnosed. Right. Including working in infertility. But that kind of goes into hand in terms of how that's possibly affecting ASD as well. Right. Is it because of the overall impact of the environment they're getting involved in as a result and because you're more likely to be accessible to different therapies and such and diagnosis, that the ASD aspect of it becomes much more mindful into looking at that and the statistic becomes higher. No one knows about that. So I'm kind of going in tangency about this important factor to be looking at. So going back to the whole folate discussion. Yes, we have to looking at, is it due to the mother's depletion of it? So main discussion mentioned about birth control pills and other aspect of genetic polymorphism, a really important discussion to look at. But specifically folic acid actually turns to a toxic metabolite and it doesn't really work well in the body itself. So I don't really recommend it either. But in terms of way to replenish the folic acid, excuse me, Folate safely, folinic acid is safe. Folinic acid, Folinic acid, yeah, right. Quadrifolate and methylfolate, those are the other two other options they could get as well. So quadrilfolate is a third generation. Folate actually has a longer levels of sustainable impact on the cells. They've seen that and have to do so. So newer, newer levels of prenatal vitamins that you could buy nowadays, either prescription or non prescription wise actually contains quadrifolate than anything. There's only maybe one or two supplement companies actually using folinic acid, and Body Bio is one of them.
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Courtney Swan
They have a prenatal.
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Dr. John Kim
No, they have B vitamins, but they specifically use folinic acid.
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Courtney Swan
Got it, got it.
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Dr. John Kim
Which is better absorbed and then better ways in terms of utilizing the body. Anyway, so.
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Courtney Swan
Well, and I was also just gonna say this because I know people are probably wondering this, and I get asked this every time I talk about this. Which prenatals do I take? And I recommend that actually contains what you want, which is folate. I really like Wenatal. And there's also kneaded as well. And I think both of those are great options. Yeah. As far as getting the right prenatals.
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Dr. John Kim
Yeah. And also I think Knees has a supplement just for guys as well for sports.
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Courtney Swan
Yeah, they do. So does Wenatal, actually. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which is great. Both the men and the women should be on stuff. Like, Hector and I are both on Wenatal right now. He takes the him and I take the her. As far as prenatals go, we've talked a lot about EMFs and blue light. Unless if you feel like there's something else that you really feel like you want people to understand. As far as EMFs and blue light go, maybe the only thing I will say is because we know blue light is affecting us so much, there's a couple little tips and tricks that I do. First of all, with my phone, I have a. I've programmed it to where I can turn my phone. Like, I click it three times on the right, and it will turn red at night. Sometimes I have to be honest, I don't even do that because I get so annoyed with the screen being red. It makes it kind of hard to see. But, like, I try to be mindful of that. You're also wearing glasses that help block the blue light. I have a couple of those. I have red glasses that I wear at night. Also, I think turning all your overhead lights off at night, like around like, 7, 8pm I turn off all the overhead lights and I have light bulbs in, like our.
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Dr. John Kim
Our.
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Courtney Swan
Our living room lamp, for example, and our bedside tables that are an amber color that don't. They don't emit any blue light, and they actually help your body produce melatonin. And I've found that that actually really helps in my sleep a lot. And then, of course, avoiding phones at night and stuff like that. Like, I don't really watch TV after, like, 8pm I like to read at night.
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Dr. John Kim
Yeah. Huge impact on those other things that I like to also tell people is that you have something called a melanopsin, which is a photosensing receptor in the eyes. So you're able to, when you get an instant hit of sunlight in the morning, it will tell the body to recycle the melatonin and then saying that this is a, you know, and end up having to turn on metabolism and such. But the most impactful part is that melanopsin is also on your skin, right? So if you're getting exposed to blue light, for instance, your sense of skin end up having to impact that. That also ages your skin skin. So people who are infrared blue lights, for instance, for a long period of time in terms of how that's affecting the antioxidant level within the skin is very, very poor. So I would recommend using some type of antioxidants, end up having to help create that. Certain peptides could be very helpful. But that's a whole different discussion. But that's another thing that I would recommend doing and just blocking out a blue light at least, I Recommend at least 2 hours before you go to sleep. So generally you should have a designated safe area in the house where you have red light bulbs. And I would recommend not LED red light bulbs. I actually recommend getting incandescent red light bulbs. That's a really important thing.
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Courtney Swan
So if somebody doesn't want a red light bulb, I'm genuinely asking this. I'm. I'm going to my Amazon account right now because I want to ask you about this specific. Oh, no, I don't have WI fi on this. Let me see if I can remember the brand. There's a brand that I buy that they market themselves as an, a blue light blocking brand that makes these light bulbs and it's an amber color. And I have to tell you personally, I don't like using the red light bulbs. I always tell Hector I feel like I'm in like a brothel and it just like makes me feel gross. So what I do is I do that.
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Dr. John Kim
Don't go to Amsterdam, people.
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Courtney Swan
It just makes it feel to me. But I don't want to, I don't want to discourage people from doing it. But maybe if people feel similarly. From what I understand, if you do this amber light, which I find really sexy, like it reminds me of like what I would imagine, like the old days where, you know, it's like can like it feels kind of like candlelight.
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Dr. John Kim
It's warm and shooting. So you could get a regular incandescent light bulb. That actually helps to create that wavelength, right? It's all about wavelength. And that's the part that's either stimulating or it could be very calming. And so if you, you buy a incandescent light bulb, that could be very helpful. And if you.
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Courtney Swan
Those are the old school ones, right? That have the little coil in it that you see. Yeah, yeah.
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Dr. John Kim
So that. Those are. Now there was some conspiracy theory of how they were trying to get rid of it. And then now I think once wasn't even a conspiracy.
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Courtney Swan
They actually did. Biden signed, and I think it was an executive order that he signed.
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Dr. John Kim
All right. So now they, they reversed it.
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Courtney Swan
But they reversed it. That was actually one of the first things that Trump did when he got back into office. And I just laughed about it because I was like, like, I mean, I was in support of it, but I was like, of all the things that we're dealing with right now, that's like the first thing you choose to address, which was funny to me. But no, it was a real thing that they had written into law. They were. By a certain year, they were going to outlaw them essentially from being sold.
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Dr. John Kim
But the entire industry, right, and lighting industries is based on led, right? So if you look at LED light bulbs and you could take your cell phone and people out there, if you want to test it out, you could take your iPhone, for instance, and then put into slow mo. Slow motion, tape your LED light bulb and see what it does. It flickers multiple times. So if you're dealing with dysautonomia or hypersensitivity issues and nervousness, dysregulation, anxiety issues and depression, it's gonna create bigger mess with LED light bulbs. That's why I don't recommend LED light bulbs at all. Yeah, many reasons why I would recommend getting incandescent light bulbs than anything. So you have a consistent flow of acdc. You have a ways in terms of being much more therapeutic in that sense of that. Right. So that's really important. And there are red light incandescent light bulbs you could buy as well. And that's what I did in my apartment. So like I said, you have to create a designated safe area, Right. Sometimes could be a little difficult to start out, but it's ways to really helping to create that 1% improvement in your environment to impacting positive levels of health. So that's why it's so important. Light has to work first. And I didn't realize how impactful that was until I started wearing these blue light blocking glasses. I noticed that my Eyes are much softer. My nervous is better regulated, I'm getting a bit better sleep and then I'm resorting to looking at how your screens are actually impacting your health, all that. And I didn't realize how impactful that was in terms of detox. And that's why I always recommend all these processes to my clients who are dealing with mold issues. It's not just because looking fancy and biohacking, that's not it. That's why you do that. And the second thing is Bluetooth as well, right. There's so many things going on. Bluetooth technology in terms of wearables and such, in many cases Bluetooth, which is a non native EMF that not only impacting your cellular health, I mentioned about this whole voltage ion, but also affects your metabolic health as well. Right. So they're now seeing that EMF exposure decreases at least to affecting insulin property. So that's going to impact in terms of how well you're able to keep your glucose level and such and how to mitigate that. You could do it naturally. You don't have to buy anything else. You just have to ground, go outside, get your feet right into the soil and getting that negative ion chain channel ions getting into your body and helps to mitigate that issue. And there are studies now showing that proper grounding help to reduce glucose as well. You see a couple point differences. It's wild. The body is supposed to be connected, right? I didn't even realize. I learned about it last week. When you are walking in a forest, for instance, and you have a lot of green leaves, those green leaves end up having to reflect near infrared from the sun. The photoreceptors end up having to emit those light into you right from the, from the leaves. So that in itself. Why do you find do we feel much more calm and rested when you go hiking? That's because of that. And there's a lot of interplay in terms of that. That's why when I learned all about this in terms of, you know, circadian biology and all the aspect in terms of quantum biology, more and more looking back, I was actually shameful of how much supplements I was actually utilizing in clients and really dialing into simplifying, simplifying these things. And that's how I came up with the encore method in terms of addressing and teaching my clients how to simplify their life at the end, how to create a resiliency, so to speak. You are self sustainable and live a better fulfilling life.
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Courtney Swan
Yeah, I love that. I feel like that's a great place to end. Yeah, yeah, it's perfect. Well, thank you so much for coming on. I was gonna ask you one other question. What are three free things that you can start, that you can do to start feeling better today? Because I know a lot of people get really overwhelmed when it comes to wellness and feel like they have to buy all these things and do all these things. But let's do it kind of rapid fire just so we can wrap this up.
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Dr. John Kim
Yeah. Three things you could do that's not gonna cost any money. Number one, reset your circadian rhythm. Wake up based on when the sun is coming up. So there's a app that you could download, it's free to download. If you want to get a full version, you could pay for it. But it's called the my circadian. It's going to tell you exactly what time the day breakage occurs. You want to go outside, get that first lot of light emitting from the sun, that's the therapeutic blue light and then able to see the sun rising. It's going to really help to reset some of the stress response but also help to renew your cellular health. It doesn't cost anything. Right. And that near infrared that's emitting from the sun itself is so therapeutic for you as well. So if you're dealing with mold issue, that's, that's the first thing I tell people to do. Wake up when the sun is coming up and then block out some of the unnecessary blue light as much as you can and also maximize the sun exposure. Middle of the day to get vitamin D. It's not just about vitamin D. You have a multiple other chemical pathway that goes on in the body as well. You're not taking any supplements. So free. Right. Second thing I recommend, eat seasonal based food. Right. And specifically paleo. Seasonal based paleo diet. And you want to buy everything locally based on the season and then also get good quality protein that you're going to get. And, and I would recommend supporting regenerative farming or local farmers. That's number two. Right. Number three, optimize your sleep and your nervous system. That's the most, most therapeutic thing you could do. You right. If you're getting good sleep. If you have to better self regulate yourself nervous system wise, 99% of the issues you're dealing with disappears.
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Courtney Swan
Yeah, it's true. Okay, those are perfect. Well please let everybody know where they can find you.
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Dr. John Kim
Yeah, absolutely. So you can find me on Instagram. John pharmd I put a lot of content into cellular health and Detox and how to support yourself better. And my website is kimwellness Co. You will see wealth of information in terms of what I talk about, especially Encore method. But if you want to book a call, there's a link right there that you could call and I'm going to provide a special link for Courtney Swan's listeners and I have a lot of resources that I'm going to put together for you.
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Courtney Swan
Awesome. Thank you so much. And let me know what that link is and we can add it to the show notes too so that people can access it easier. Well, thank you so much for coming on today. I love the work that you're doing and if anyone is struggling with anything that we talked about today, I would highly recommend reaching out to Dr. Kim. I've been working with him personally, me and my husband both have for the last couple months. And thank you so much for all the work that you've been doing in my own personal life and you're doing a lot of amazing work in the world. And I just want to say thank you so much for everything that you do.
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Dr. John Kim
No, thank you. It's been an honor to be here. Thank you so much.
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Courtney Swan
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