For decades, Black baseball players were excluded from the major leagues and forced to create their own space: the Negro Leagues. Vanessa Ivy Rose, granddaughter of Negro Leagues star Norman “Turkey” Stearnes, brings us on a quest to excavate his...
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Vanessa Ivey Rose
I've got a question for you. Who's the greatest baseball player of all time? Whether you're a baseball fan or not, you probably have someone in mind, like Babe Ruth. His name, as you all know, is Babe Ruth. Hank Aaron. Baseball legend Hank Aaron. Shohei Ohtani. Superstar Shohei Ohtani. These are the greats of America's pastime, right? But what if I told you that that names have been purposely excluded from that list? Players kept out of our record books, out of our halls of fame, and out of our shared memory. In 1947, Jackie Robinson famously broke the color line. But before that, there was a whole other chapter of American baseball, a chapter that belongs to thousands of black players who competed in a segregated league.
Unnamed Co-Host or Narrator
This is not in the pages of American history books. And so countless generations of us went through our own formal educations without knowing one of the most significant chapters, not in baseball history, but in American history.
Vanessa Ivey Rose
In this season of Reclaimed, we're going to open that chapter and tell the stories of the Negro Leagues. I'm Vanessa Ivey Rose. I'm a baseball fan, and I'm the granddaughter of one of the greatest batters you've never heard of, Norman Turkey Stearns. Turkey's first season with the Detroit Stars, by all accounts, was unbelievable. In an era defined by discrimination, my grandfather and other black baseball players found a way to play the game they loved, and they were incredible. Most of the time, Negro league teams beat the major league teams. I'll leave it at that. Yeah. Mic drop, mic drop. I've wanted to talk about these baseball legends for a long time, not just to tell you about their triumphs, but also to tell you what they witnessed about this country. While playing America's sport in segregated towns.
Unnamed Co-Host or Narrator
And stadiums, it was not uncommon for these athletes to ride into a town, fill up the ballpark, but yet not be able to get a meal from the same fans who had just cheered them.
Vanessa Ivey Rose
Today, descendants of these athletes, like me and baseball's institutions, like mlb, are reckoning with this history. What would justice look like after so many decades of exclusion? Who are you to tell us that we are now major leaguers? We always considered our relatives as major leaguers. So I asked who you thought the greatest baseball player of all time was. But the truth is, you can't really answer the question because you don't know all the greats. Yeah. From ABC Audio, Reclaim the Forgotten league premieres on October 2nd. Wherever you get your podcast.
Reclaimed: The Forgotten League – Episode Summary
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The episode begins with Vanessa Ivey Rose, a passionate baseball enthusiast and descendant of a Negro League player, posing a provocative question to listeners: "Who's the greatest baseball player of all time?" (00:00). She acknowledges well-known names like Babe Ruth, Hank Aaron, and Shohei Ohtani but introduces the idea that many legendary black players have been systematically excluded from these honors and historical records.
Vanessa Ivey Rose:
"But what if I told you that those names have been purposely excluded from that list? Players kept out of our record books, out of our halls of fame, and out of our shared memory." (00:00)
She underscores the significance of the Negro Leagues, especially before Jackie Robinson broke the color barrier in 1947, emphasizing that this era remains absent from mainstream American history education.
An unnamed co-host or narrator highlights the educational gap regarding the Negro Leagues:
"This is not in the pages of American history books. And so countless generations of us went through our own formal educations without knowing one of the most significant chapters, not in baseball history, but in American history." (00:57)
This segment sets the stage for the season's exploration, aiming to bring these forgotten stories to the forefront.
Vanessa Ivey Rose shares her personal connection to the Negro Leagues, revealing that her grandfather, Norman Turkey Stearns, was one of the great batters who never gained widespread recognition:
"I'm the granddaughter of one of the greatest batters you've never heard of, Norman Turkey Stearns. Turkey's first season with the Detroit Stars, by all accounts, was unbelievable." (01:10)
She highlights the remarkable talent within the Negro Leagues, noting that these players often outperformed their Major League counterparts:
"Most of the time, Negro league teams beat the major league teams. I'll leave it at that. Yeah. Mic drop, mic drop." (01:30)
Despite their on-field successes, Negro League players faced severe discrimination and exclusion off the field. Vanessa recounts the harsh realities these athletes endured, such as playing in segregated towns where, ironically, they would fill stadiums with cheering fans yet be denied basic amenities like meals:
"It was not uncommon for these athletes to ride into a town, fill up the ballpark, but yet not be able to get a meal from the same fans who had just cheered them." (02:10)
The episode transitions to contemporary efforts to recognize and honor these overlooked players. Vanessa and other descendants are actively seeking justice and acknowledgment from major baseball institutions like Major League Baseball (MLB):
"Today, descendants of these athletes, like me and baseball's institutions, like MLB, are reckoning with this history. What would justice look like after so many decades of exclusion?" (02:23)
She challenges the notion of who gets to be recognized as a Major Leaguer, asserting that their relatives have always been considered as such within their families:
"Who are you to tell us that we are now major leaguers. We always considered our relatives as major leaguers." (02:23)
Vanessa Ivey Rose:
"So I asked who you thought the greatest baseball player of all time was. But the truth is, you can't really answer the question because you don't know all the greats." (02:23)
The episode concludes by announcing the premiere of "Reclaimed: The Forgotten League" on October 2nd, encouraging listeners to engage with the series wherever they access podcasts. This new season promises to delve deeper into the stories of Negro League players, their triumphs, struggles, and enduring legacy in American baseball.
Vanessa Ivey Rose (00:00):
"But what if I told you that those names have been purposely excluded from that list? Players kept out of our record books, out of our halls of fame, and out of our shared memory."
Unnamed Co-Host or Narrator (00:57):
"This is not in the pages of American history books. And so countless generations of us went through our own formal educations without knowing one of the most significant chapters, not in baseball history, but in American history."
Vanessa Ivey Rose (01:30):
"Most of the time, Negro league teams beat the major league teams. I'll leave it at that. Yeah. Mic drop, mic drop."
Vanessa Ivey Rose (02:23):
"Who are you to tell us that we are now major leaguers. We always considered our relatives as major leaguers."
Vanessa Ivey Rose (02:23):
"But the truth is, you can't really answer the question because you don't know all the greats."
Reclaimed: The Forgotten League aims to illuminate the rich and often overlooked history of the Negro Leagues, offering listeners a comprehensive understanding of these players' profound impact on baseball and American society.