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Ep 1114 | To the Girl Who Slept with 100 Men: You’re Not Too Far Gone
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Allie Beth Stuckey
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Lily Phillips
It's not for the weak girls. If I'm honest, it was hard. I don't know if I'd recommend it.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
Why not?
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Lily Phillips
I think if you're a different type of girl, it's very like. It's kind of like being a in A sense of like it's just a different feeling. I don't know how to explain it.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
Like it's not like just having with someone.
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Lily Phillips
Yeah, yeah. Just one in, one out. Like it feels intense.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
Like more intense than you thought it might.
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Lily Phillips
Definitely.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
Sorry. Okay, just take.
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Lily Phillips
Yeah, one minute.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
So if you're watching that, you can see her fighting back tears. She can't even talk about it. I mean, this is something that she signed up for. She took applications for this to have sex with these 101 men. This was something that she acted like she was really excited about, grateful for the opportunity to do. And now as she is recounting it, she can't even keep back her tears. She says that it was intense. She says that it was overwhelming, that you have to be a certain kind of girl. You have to be tough to go through something like this. But why would that be the case if sex is really just touching bodies in an exchange of bodily fluids, if that's all sex is, then it really shouldn't elicit this kind of emotional reaction. She wouldn't have this kind of emotional reaction if she gave a hundred high fives that day, if she gave a hundred hugs, even if she gave 101 kisses that day. She wouldn't be brimming with tears. She wouldn't be overflowing with this kind of response. But she knows, as much as she wants to deny it, that sex is different. Like sex is not just any kind of interaction. Sex is intimate in not only the physical sense, but the emotional and the spiritual sense. Especially for women. Women don't compartmentalize the same way that men do. We don't have the same kind of drive that men do. We don't have the same men mentality about sex in our bodies as men do. And when it comes to sexuality, women are much more vulnerable than men are. And for her to own up to that and realize that of course would not only shatter her worldview, but it would really change her ability to sell her body for money. Once you realize that prostitution is a lot deeper and darker than just offering a service to people that want something, but it's giving away a very integral part of who you are that's really hard to reckon with, even for the most adamant and defensive only fans model. We'll get into the rest of her views on sex and what I think this, what I think this means and how we can respond to this from a biblical perspective in a second. But let me pause. Let me tell you about a very appropriate sponsor for what we're talking about right now, and that is Covenant Eyes. So porn is as accessible or more accessible than it's ever been. You don't have to go to the dark web or even go to some seedy website to see people scantily clad. This is pervasive on all forms of social media, which means it's really accessible not just to adults, but also to children who are on these apps. And if your children have have access to technology at all, I'm talking smartwatches, tablets for school. You need to make sure that they are fully protected by protective software from the predation of pornography and all forms of explicit content. That's why Covenant Eyes exist. This software has existed for over 20 years. They have helped hundreds of thousands of people fight their addiction to porn, protect themselves and their children from explicit online content. They have all kinds of tools through their software, through their Victory app that allows you to have accountability with other Christians in your life who can help you make sure that what you are filling your mind with when it comes to online content is truly pure and glorifying to God. So let them help you protect your children. Protect yourself. CovenantEyes.com Ali gets you a free 30 day trial with Covenant Eyes. Go to CovenantEyes.com/alley. So this is according to Daily Mail. She tells a little bit in the documentary about her story and she says that she wasn't someone who was promiscuous growing up. She has a close relationship with her parents, which I find very surprising. And actually her mother is her finance manager, one of eight people employed by Lily to support her business. She says that she wasn't really into sex at all until she went to college. Red flag there for parents. She even wanted to wait until marriage at one point. She used to think that sex was a special thing until she did it. And she says she realized it's no big deal. Here's top four before I had.
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Lily Phillips
I was never much of a. I actually wanted to wait till marriage at one point. I just used to think it was a real special thing. As soon as I actually did it, I kind of realized that it wasn't special.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
So a lot of the words are kind of bleeped out there and they do that when they upload videos on X. I don't know if they're also bleeped out on YouTube, but that's because when there's like explicit words like that or sexual words like that, sometimes YouTube or X will flag the content, demote it, take it down. And so if you're listening to this, it might be kind of hard to understand what she's talking about. But she said, you know, she had sex. She realized it wasn't very special. She started in only fans with what she describes as more mild content, I guess when she was in, when she was in college, so she says, you know, in her swimsuit, whatever. And then she became more promiscuous in her dating life. She decided to turn that promiscuity into a business. She told Daily Mail, I was sort of selling sex to guys on my nights out without making any money. Huh. Well, that's not really selling sex, that's just having sex. So I thought I might as well charge for it. And, you know, that just is the nature of sin. You start out with something that you think is maybe just a little risque and you get affirmation. You get money, you get attention, you get acceptance, you get popularity. Things that in our flesh everyone craves. And the more you get that, the easier it is to push it a little further and a little further. And because you get that dopamine hit, you kind of get that high of affirmation when you get money or when you get a like or when you're told that you're beautiful or awesome or that someone loves you or is attracted to you. The conviction of sin that she may have once had, even if she, even if she wasn't a Christian, she clearly had some kind of conviction. Maybe just because the law of God is written on all of our hearts that sex should be reserved at the very least for a special relationship. But as she let more of herself go and as she got attention and affirmation for doing so, that conviction was downgraded. Throughout the documentary, she makes self deprecating jokes that she's really only good for one thing. That whoever marries her, what is unfortunate and will have to be the kind of guy that loans her out to other men. Here, top five. And do you think your partner one day will be someone from the industry, most likely or.
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Lily Phillips
Yeah, I talk about this a lot with my parents because that's the one thing I guess they worry about is like, will you ever find a boyfriend? Yeah, but there's so many guys out in the world. I think, you know, one poor bastard's got to marry me. I rather think it's going to be someone from the industry or someone who is into lending me out.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
Lending you out?
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Lily Phillips
Yeah. Yeah.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
So she talks about herself like an object. And of course, I mean, that's how she treats herself in relation to other Guys, that's what she has billed herself as, as just an object of pleasure. Now, unfortunately, in this world in which we have constructed this consent based morality paradigm that says as long as someone consents to something, then our disapproval is unjustified and criminalizing something that someone consents to, as long as it's not quote unquote, hurting someone else is certainly off the table. But consent is not the only factor. We've talked about this a lot. Consent is not the only factor in determining whether something is right or wrong. Now it could be the only factor in determining morality if you are a godless moral relativist, because then you're serving the God of self and the God of self will achieve whatever it wants at whatever the cost. There is no higher transcendent power. There is no absolute truth. There are no universal values or objective virtues to which you are subscribing. And so you do you and do what makes you happy really becomes your religious dogma under which everything is justified. But the reality is, is that we are not gods. There is a transcendent power. Even, let's just say for a second that you and I can't agree on what that transcendent power is. Obviously I believe, and it is the God of the Bible, the Alpha and the Omega, Jesus Christ himself, three in one. Father, Son, Holy Spirit, who created all of this. And we see exactly who we are, whose we are, what our purpose is, what we are made for, really, in the first 11 chapters of the Bible. But we get a lot of that in the very first chapter of the Bible in Genesis 1:27, that we as human beings were made male and female in God's image. We were made to come together in marriage as one man and one woman, for sex to be exclusive to that union and for ideally that to create children, to be fruitful and to multiply in anything outside of that structure. That definition of holy sexuality in marriage will lead to brokenness. It will lead ultimately to sadness, it will lead to further sin. It will negatively affect not only the people that are breaking that definition of marriage and that union, but also the children who are affected by that sin and by that brokenness. But say we can't even agree on that. Say we can just agree that somewhere out there there is a higher moral order because of some higher power that transcends all of us. We should at least agree that everything we do, every law we enact has to get closer to that. We can debate what those universal morals are. We can debate what absolute truth actually is. But Let us at least agree that that exists and try to get closer to it in our laws, in our practices, in what our society looks like. And we can see the existence of a better way and a worse way across cultures, throughout, you know, throughout societies, across different individuals. When we see the ramifications of going outside of what clearly should be. And what I mean by that is again, when people step outside of what sex is meant to be, what marriage is meant to be, there is always brokenness. And we see it in this young woman who claims to think that sex is nothing special, and yet here we see her breaking down emotionally because she knows it is. The crazy thing about this, again, is how much she disregards her own value and her own body. And that, of course, is exactly what Satan wants. Satan hates the body. He hates us because we are made in God's image, because we are recipients of God's grace, his love, his redemption through Christ. And Satan is in a battle not just for our souls, but for our bodies. Christianity loves the body. We see that throughout Scripture. Not only that we're made in God's image, but we worship a God made flesh. There will be a resurrection of the bodies. We will be given new bodies. Satan hates the body. And that is why he convinces people through sex to objectify themselves and to degrade their own bodies. Here's how she thinks of herself not only as an object, but an object in which a hundred men who were basically unvetted could use and abuse as they see fit. These 100 men were chosen using no filtering system, not even a criminal background check. They simply had to send in a photo with their id. The men traveled from all over. Two flew in from America, so she's in the UK as you can tell. One from Sweden, another from France. She said that the men spanned generations. That's not even something I was thinking about. I figured these would all be young men. I don't know why, but she said that the oldest man who whom she had sex with was in his 60s or 70s. I was looking at some of them thinking, you could definitely be my dad. Prior to the encounters, Lily was asked by the interviewer how she is going to protect herself from STIs knowing that statistically she will come in contact with infected men and bodily fluids. I was wondering the same thing. Lily said that the men who showed proof of a negative STI test are prioritized to make the cut. However, she acknowledged that there is still risk because the men could have come in contact with an STI between the time of the test and their time with Lily. When asked about the possibility of contracting HIV from these bodily fluids, Lily appears to not have known that HIV can be spread this way. What? What? The documentary interviewer spoke with one of the men after his five minutes with Lily. He flew in from Switzerland, spending the equivalent of $1,000 to sleep with her. As a longtime fan of hers, he said it was worth it. So disgusting. And I imagine that some of these men probably, like, have children, have families. So after the encounters, she shared that it's not just the physical intimacy of having sex with so many men that made her feel so bad, as we saw in that clip, but also disappointing them by not being able to talk with them or even being interested in doing so. She felt like a robot, she said, disassociated due to the monotony of the act 100 times over. She said the hard part was conversing with them. And then they'd be like, oh, we only got two, two or three minutes. And you said that we'd get five minutes. And then Lily says, when you promise something to someone who supports you, it's hard to let them down. So even she is feeling the pull of, like, relationship and emotional connection with these men. Despite discussing how difficult this was for her, though almost breaking down in tears, you see the emptiness, the sadness, the brokenness inside her there. Phillips recently declared that she plans. This is so sad. Plans to have sex with a thousand men in a day. She hasn't backtracked on this yet. She. She claims this. We have the picture, the advertisement up, so a thousand men a day. She claims she wants to take on this challenge in January. A lot of people are questioning how this is mathematically possible. Not to be rude, but I'm not sure that I would ask math questions to someone who didn't know HIV was spread through sex. For reference, there are 86,400 seconds in a 24 hour day, which equates to 8.64 seconds per person for 24 hours straight. So she says she dreamed this up with her assistant. I can't wait. It's very exciting. It will be a world record, a real challenge. Ideally, we'll do it in a big warehouse with two doors. I'm hoping a couple of seconds each at most. And then on their way, like, do you know what seconds are? I don't know how that is. I. I don't know how that is possible. I don't. I, I don't really care. I'm sad for this woman. Yes, she is choosing to do it. I'm not saying she is a victim. It doesn't seem like she is being abused or that she's being coerced. That is certainly a part of the story that is being left out. It seems like she's making this decision. But again, that's what sin and deception does. It just keeps going. I mean Satan always starts out with just a little bit. To Eve, it's just a bite. No, you will not surely die. You will just be more like God knowing the difference between good and evil. Well, the effect of her decision wasn't just a bite of the forbidden fruit. It wasn't just that she knew the difference between good and evil immediately. The consequences of her disobedience of worshiping the God of self rather than the God of scripture were very apparent. And we have been dealing with the bloody aftermath of that decision since the beginning, since the fall. And so this is just what sin does. Once it lets itself into your life, into your heart just a little bit. It starts out secret, it starts out small, it starts out as just a little lie, just a tiny compromise. Once it wedges your itself into your life, unless you immediately eradicate it, it will take route and it will convince you to do more and more. And that seems to be what's happened here. We've got more on this in just a second. Let me pause and tell you about our next sponsor for the day and that is Patriot Mobile. Patriot Mobile is America's only Christian conservative wireless provider. They're on the front lines fighting for things like the first and second amendment values that are important to you and me, like the sanctity of life. Our military first responders take a stand for conservative causes, put America first. Make the switch to Patriot Mobile. 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But just because someone is doing it to themselves doesn't mean that it's okay. The standard of whatever makes you happy as long as you consent to it. There are a lot of things that people consent to that are still morally wrong, because absolute morality, absolute, absolute and universal truth does exist. And people are made in the image of God. We're different than plants, we're different than animals. We're certainly different than objects. We have a soul. We have emotional needs. We want to be loved. We want to be taken care of. And these women, of course, are seeking love and affirmation and all of the wrong places. But when your financial situation is tied to whatever you're doing, it becomes really easy to justify it. Whether it is selling yourself for sexual or whether it's corruption, whether it's bribery, whether it's fraud, whatever it is, it becomes really easy to say, well, God is clearly blessing this, or clearly it's fine because this is how I make my money. And she's trying to convince herself that this is a job like any other job. I mean, this is also like the whole progressive push for legalizing prostitution. They say, like, sex work is work. It's the same thing as accounting. I don't know if Lily Phillips has, you know, repeated that phrase, but that's basically what she's trying to convince herself and others of. Like, this is just like being an accountant or being a dentist. Look, I promise you that there is no accountant that comes home and is trying to like, emotionally and spiritually reconcile with like, with crunchy numbers all day. Like, oh my gosh, that those were a hundred numbers in 24 hours. How did I do that? Like, no one is. No one in another kind of job is thinking that way. It affects you. I've heard people, I've heard progressives, even people who consider themselves progressive Christians, try to downgrade the specialness, the uniqueness of sex and so called sex work, AKA prostitution, by likening it to other actions. But they lie. Because if someone came up and, I don't know, like gave them a noogie, that would be, you know, on the street, a stranger comes up and like pulls your hair or like pushes you on the shoulder, that would be kind of violating. Like, you probably would go home and like, tell your spouse, like, this was so weird. The stranger came up to me, that was so bizarre. You might even kind of laugh a little bit. But if Someone came up to you and grabbed your genitalia. If someone came up to you and groped you with the same force that someone else came up to you and like pushed you on the shoulder, that would be a much bigger deal. You would feel a lot more violated. Even if someone punches you in the face versus someone raping you, they're both assault. But one carries a lot more trauma. And that's not because of some societal stigma or, you know, arbitrary societal standards. That's because sex is sacred. That's because there is something different about sex. God made it that way. He made it uniquely bonding. It is supposed to be that kind of bonding gift between a man and a woman. But again, when you create that bond outside of that trusting relationship, within marriage, there is going to be not only brokenness, but a lot of justification for brokenness and a lot of self delusion because it feels really bad to feel conviction of sin and to reckon with what you're doing to yourself and your body. Mary Morgan, pop culture commentator at Tim Cass she said, I watched the documentary about Lily Phillips and then she says this was her immediate reaction that post the clip that we've already played. And she said in fear of seeming judgmental, the one and only cardinal sin recognized in modern secular culture. Nobody in Lily's life stopped her from hitting self destruct. She will remember the day that nobody stopped her. She will count that as evidence that she is worth nothing more than being used sexually. Hence her own, her new record breaking goal of a thousand. This is a veiled suicide attempt. In a way, I think that that is true. Now maybe there were people in her life who were like, please don't do that. I have no idea. But it does seem like a suicide attempt in a way. Several others had similar commentary on this. And a lot of there's, I mean, there's a lot of hate out there. And I understand that because she is a grown woman who made her own choices. There are a lot of people that are using this to say, see, women are awful, which is stupid. There are obviously men who do similar things and there were a hundred men who signed up to have sex with this stranger, not knowing if she had her own STDs. And so there's a lot of degeneracy to go around here. But gosh, I just want Lily to know that you were made by a God who loves you and who cares about you and who cares what happens to you. He cares how you're treated, he cares how you are viewed and he views you as Precious as made in his image. You have a soul, you have a heart, you have innate value. And I don't want you to believe when you wake up and you realize, wow, things could have been different for me. And I don't feel happy and I feel very empty and I feel betrayed by myself and the people in my life and how long can I go on like this? And what's going to happen when I'm no longer young and I'm no longer seen as wanted? Who am I going to be? What is, you know, my worth going to be? Then when you wake up and you realize all of that, you are going to feel like you're too far gone. There will be a time probably when you consider killing yourself. And that, unfortunately, is the consequence of going so far outside of like, what is meant for us. But I just want you to know, like, you are not too far gone. You are not outside of God's grace. You haven't done too much, you're not too dirty, that there is nothing that you can do that will stop you from receiving the grace of God. God's grace covers every kind of sin, every kind of depravity, every kind of mistake. And if you want a new self, if you want a new start, if you want to be made pure, if you want to be made clean, if you want a clean slate, if you want to start over, then you can find that in Jesus Christ. And he will rid you of all of your sins and he will make you new and he will make you clean. And instead of being an enemy of God, which is what you are right now, which is what all of us were apart from Christ, you can be a friend of God and you can be forgiven forever. And you can be given a new self and a new way of life. And that is what you will be defined by. And the great thing about Jesus is that when he died for us on the cross, when he by grace, through faith saved us, he gives us his righteousness because Jesus is the only perfect one who has ever lived. All of us have sinned. We've all fallen short of the glory of God. And Jesus is the only one that could be our perfect sacrifice. And he became that when he died on the cross. And then he rose again three days later, he defeated death. And he says that whoever believes in him doesn't have to die. We don't have to go to hell at the end of our life, but we get to live forever in heaven with Him. And not only that, like, we get to be liberated from the burden of sin right now, like, you are burdened with sin. You are carrying a very heavy weight, trying to find happiness and love in all the wrong places. And you're only going to ever find the satisfaction that you're looking for in the God who made you. And so just know that you're never too far off to turn around to stop. You're not too far gone. Like, it will be worth giving up every bit of money, every follower, every fan, every ounce of fame that you have accumulated by selling your body. It is worth giving that all up to save your soul. And God can do that. And you are very, very, very loved and valued by Him. And he showed that to you by sending his own son to die on the cross for your sins. And that is all of us who are Christians. Like, that is what we are all recipients of. We all see ourselves not as these, like, perfectly righteous people, but as people who are so messed up and who were so far from God that we needed God to come down and to save us and to give us his righteousness and his perfection. And that's what he did through Christ. And so I just. I just hope that one day someone shares that with Lily. And I hope and pray for that testimony, even if we never know about it, because I almost don't. I wouldn't even want a testimony like that to be turned into content. Like, I just hope that God saves her. And he can. He saves to the uttermost. He saves those who are far off, those who are near. And so he can absolutely do that. All right, we've got a couple more interesting stories to touch on. Let me go ahead and pause and tell you about our next sponsor for the day, and that is Every Life. All right, Every Life is the only pro life diaper company. And they make the diapers that we trust in our home. We go through a lot of diapers. We've gone through a lot of diapers with three kids. And the brand that I trust the most, not only because of their values, but because of the effectiveness of their product, is Every Life. You don't have to worry about leaks or anything like that. They do their job really well, but they're also really clean. A lot of those other clean, big diaper companies that we've loved over the years, they actually donate a lot of their money, your money, to pro abortion politicians and to pro abortion organizations. 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Well, surrogacy, egg donation and sperm donation, which is really egg selling and sperm selling. These all commodify and objectify children as things to be bought rather than people to be created and to be cared for and to be loved. It's really like, have a child at whatever cost. And there's almost no law that is really going to stop you from doing that. And we see this in the story of this person named Greg Lindbergh. He is a now disgraced insurance businessman. He amassed a large amount of wealth, but recently was convicted of fraud. He's probably going to go to prison soon. This is just his latest legal trouble. He began a highly controversial project a few years ago using financial and emotional manipulation, along with some eugenicist characteristics, apparently to father 12 children, using specially recruited and highly paid egg donors. And again, I just want to make sure I'm defining my terms. We say egg donors, we say sperm donor because selling human tissue is illegal in most cases in the United States. And so had the workaround there is that people who are giving their eggs or giving their sperm, oh, they're getting paid for their time. They're getting paid for the effort that it takes to donate these things. They're not technically getting paid for the actual DNA, but of course, that is what is really being sold. Because a person who purchases an egg donor or who purchases a sperm donor, they're not getting in return the time and the effort. They are getting the DNA. That is what they are paying for. It's actually insane that we have allowed that to be a legal workaround. And also ask yourself, why is it illegal to sell human tissue? What is wrong with that? Why do we make an exception for the kind of human tissue that creates new life, that cannot consent to be created in that way. Most elements of Lindbergh's baby project were perfectly legal in the United States, even if they were controversial, which is exactly why I think we have to talk about it. Last month, Greg Lindbergh pled guilty to money laundering fraud charges in a $2 billion scheme. And that is kind of, I guess, what highlighted what he is doing behind the scenes and why Bloomberg decided to write this expose. So here's a little background and why he decided to do this. He and his wife had two children and chose to have their third child via ivf. This was a while ago. He was intrigued by the IVF experience when they went through that. Then five years after the birth of their third child, the couple got divorced. There was an ongoing custody, custody battle after that over the, the children. And then around this time, Lindbergh started planning his baby project. He recalled, I really wanted to have a child that ultimately I couldn't lose in a custody battle. I have heard this now multiple times by so called men's rights activists on social media that the only way for a father to truly protect his progeny is to have a child via egg donor, via surrogate because those women signed their parental rights away. And then you have this child that you have basically bought and rented the, rented the womb of one woman, paid for the eggs of another woman, basically prostituted two women in order to get this child to intentionally raise them without their mother or the only woman that they have ever known. That is the surrogate. That is beyond cruel. Even if it does ensure that you never have to fight over this child in a custody battle. You don't need to create the child in the first place. That is also a way not to fight for a child over in a custody battle. So this guy Lindbergh, he put his executive assistant in charge of coordinating with the fertility clinics and making the necessary appointments and payments. Another one of his assistants agreed to be the first surrogate. So he would go on dates with these women. It's really unclear. I tried to figure this out, like how he would find these women, these models who he thought were beautiful. A lot of the coverage says that all of these women were blonde haired and blue eyed and green eyed. He put a press release out to clarify that five, that some of the mothers of five of the children, I don't know like how many are from Latin America. So don't worry, they're not all blonde as green eyes and blue eyes. He just wanted to make sure that everyone knew that. But he described it basically as finding this woman, dating them, and then he would follow that by a significant bribe to use their eggs or I guess just an offer. The first woman he pursued, a Los Angeles model in early 2018, was offered $1.5 million if she went through with an egg donation. So again, just such funny language. Here's $1.5 million. Will you donate your eggs? Okay, that's not a donation. Over the years, Lindbergh actively recruited egg donors and surrogates, including several women he dated or recruited via high net worth matchmaking services and Instagram. Lindbergh used clinics across the US and abroad, including California, Illinois, Nevada, Barbados, to facilitate his baby project. He reportedly paid donors between $75,000 and to $100,000 each and promised financial incentives of up to $1.5 million for certain women. So the just remember too that the egg donor and the surrogate are typically two different people. And in many cases they actually legally have to be two different people. Now is that like protective of the baby? Is that protective of the egg donor or the egg seller or the surrogate? No, it's not. It's to protect the purchasers. It's to protect the parents or the parent that is purchasing the child. Because if you have the egg seller and the surrogate be the same person, so if the woman is just say she's just conceived via the sperm of the father who is purchasing the child, and then she carries the child, okay, then she's got a really big bond with that child. And it's going to be very hard for her emotionally to sign away her parental rights. But when you are an egg seller, you never meet the child. You don't carry the child, you don't even, you don't even know what it's like to like have your DNA and the other person's DNA come together to make a new life, then you don't feel that connection. You certainly don't feel acclaim on, on the child. And then if you are the surrogate, yes, you do create that physiological bond with that child. You just do. That's how God created women's bodies in gestation. You're supposed to create that bond because God wants someone to be able to have the instinct to protect that child that is so vulnerable and helpless when they're born. But if it's not your biological child, then you also feel like, okay, yeah, I've got this emotional bond, but I can suppress it because I know this is not my child. So that's why these two women are typically disconnected to protect the purchase of the purchasers of the children. Lindbergh had multiple surrogates pregnant at a time, so also paying them to be the incubators of their baby as of his babies. As part of their contract with Lindbergh, the women signed away their rights to the AGS and any future children, seemingly under the guise that Lindbergh would still include them as the mother. This didn't happen. Lindbergh used the contract to maintain his sole custody and cut the mother out of the child's life. When Lindbergh believed that one of the egg sellers wanted to spend time with her child, Lindbergh wrote to his assistant to handle the situation. She is an egg donor and I do not share a child with her. Lindbergh's assistant wrote to the mother. You pushed yourself away by being stupid enough to sell your eggs and believe he was going to want a relationship with you. He doesn't respect egg donors. I mean, that's literally. You were a prostitute for this guy. But worse than a prostitute, because in prostitution, at least, you're only objectifying yourself. But when you are giving your eggs to someone, you are objectifying, commodifying a helpless child who cannot consent to that. One donor was told to lie to doctors about her medical history during screenings. Oh, that's great. One thing that we unfortunately are learning more about with IVF and the egg selling process, everything that goes into that, the drugs, the hormones that are pumped into your body to make your. Make your eggs available for procuring, they're very. They can be very dangerous from a woman's body. They increase your likelihood of breast cancer and of ovarian cancer. But we're just going on and on with this. Fertility clinics were also a part of this when dealing with the fertility industry. He said he didn't feel any resistance at all. So there were no doctors, there was no one in his way saying, hey, so like, why are you, why are you creating all these kids? Like, what's, what's going on here? Is there a purpose behind this? Like, who's going to take care of them? You want to take care of these 12 children? I mean, there could be something very nefarious going on here. I don't know. But we have heard other stories of very rich men around the world creating children, motherless children, for very nefarious and profitable purposes. I don't know if that's the case here, but I would think that someone along the way should have stopped to ask. He said he worked with several fertility clinics, many of which knew about the large sums of money Lindbergh was paying for his treatments, but didn't intervene. At Kind Body Clinic in Chicago, there were reports of clinic staff speeding up the screening process for Lindbergh's egg sellers and failing to adequately address the complaints from donors about coercion. Wow, this reminds me so much of Planned Parenthood. Planned Parenthood also covers for abusers. If you've got a rich guy that brings a teenage girl in and says, yeah, you know, I had sex with her and she needs an abortion, they're not going to say a word that this reproductive industry, I'm telling you, is full of absolute money hungry rot. And children are in the crosshairs. Just like when it comes to the abortion industry. Just like when it comes to the transgender industry, children are in the crosshairs. What do we always say? Children are always the unconsenting subjects of progressive social experiments. There's more about this. Let me pause tell you about our next sponsor for the day, and that is Lumen. So Lumen is the world's first handheld metabolic coach. 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Although he recently paused the baby project apparently when asked if he plans to use them, he said, if I have the resources and the time and the youth, the youth I feel somewhat obligated to see, morally obligated to see if there's humans in those embryos. And this is the problem. And therein lies the issue, is the denial, the blatant denial that the embryos that you are creating are humans. And that is true whether you are someone like this guy or whether you are using IVF as a married man and a woman and you are trying to create children. Obviously the motivations there are different, the effect there is different. I'm not saying that those two situations are the same at all, but the humanity is shared there. The embryos are human and therefore how we treat them matters. They are insold image bearers of God that we are placing on ice. And too often in every single process of ivf, they are either discarded because they got a low grade, they are accidentally discarded or thawed. They don't make the very risky transfer process. Too many embryos are created because the doctor recommends, hey, let's go ahead and just see how many we can create. Great. We created six. Oh, the family only wants four. Or the moment she had some kind of adverse health event after number two. And so now they're left over with these four embryos. What to do with them? Do you freeze them indefinitely? Do you adopt them to a couple that you don't even know you have? No. Or a single man you don't even know, you don't know what he's going to do with them. You don't know if they're going to share your same faith. Or do you discard them knowing that you have now killed the children that you have created? That is the gamble that every single couple, no matter how well meaning or no matter how malicious like this guy, no matter the intent, that is the gamble that every single couple takes when they embark on ivf. And I know, I'm always told that is too harsh what are people supposed to do who don't want to have kids? And while I absolutely have so much compassion for the pain of infertility, IVF is not the answer. And again, I'm not saying that your situation is like this, guys, but I do want to show you that the industry is rotten. That the industry itself is rotten. Maybe not every individual doctor, I'm not saying every individual experience, but it is built upon this lie that he just articulated, that embryos aren't really human and therefore they don't have the rights that you and I do. But that is not how God sees it. And I would say for the Christian who understands that, that these embryos are made in the image of God, and therefore how we see their precious lives and how we treat them matters, that it is not worth the risk. I know that there are some couples who have been able to create the exact number of embryos that they were willing to carry. That's absolutely the best case scenario. And I'm so thankful that for the couples that were able to do that and that they did that, even maybe having more children than they initially planned for because they felt responsible for all of those embryos, however, that is very, very rare. That is usually not the case. And I say, why take the risk? And yes, adoption is a viable option. We have to shift away from seeing having children as a human right. We. We don't have a right to children. Children are gifts that God can give us to steward and be responsible for and be thankful for, but they are not objects that we have a right to. It's not a means justifies the ends situation here. And I think that this story really just highlights the absolute corruption and just the low, low view we have of human life and, and babies. He says Lindbergh said, okay, so he says that this project is to preserve who we are as a civilization, as a species, whatever that means. I would just want to say, like, we're good. We're good over here. Okay? Like, let those of us who are married handle the baby making from here on out. We got it. You enjoy prison and, like, allow us to worry about the procreation. We. We've got it from here on out, boss. Okay. Assuming he's going back to prison after his guilty plea last month, he's not sure what he'll do with his many young children. Whoops. He relies on his assistants and his nannies to look after them as. So sad. That is so sad. But expects the kids to visit him and play in the prison yard during his Visiting hours. You are a selfish, selfish man. I can't call you what I want to call you. He responded to the national news in a press release. He says the investment was worth it. Children are priceless. Well, some of them, I guess, are worth $75,000. I mean, there's kind of a price that you paid. They're expensive to raise and educate. Okay? And every one of them is a vote for the future of the country and the planet. You know, that part kind of sounds like Elon Musk, because Elon Musk has also used IVF and surrogacy to have his several children. Now, I hope he actually cares for all of them. I'm not really sure how that is possible. I also still think that that whole process is just unethical and immoral and wrong. But that does kind of sound like Elon Musk. But again, I say, like, yes, we do need more children. We need more babies, but let us promote marriage to get there, not the commodifying of people's bodies and children. He did note, again, I said this earlier, that five of his children have Latina mothers. And so we don't have to worry about, apparently, him people implying that, oh, he just wanted, like, white children. I don't know. That doesn't make it any. Any better or worse for me. The whole thing is wrong. And again, I would just look into what is the wild, wild west of the reproductive industry in the United States. It is responsible for more lost lives every year than the abortion industry. Isn't that ironic that the reproduction industry is actually responsible for more baby death through embryonic destruction and eugenics than abortion? And God have mercy. God have mercy on all professing Christians who have known about this, been silent about this, or chosen ignorance, because it's hard. And if you're new to this, go back. We've got tons and tons of episodes on it. You can type in relatable surrogacy or relatable IVF on YouTube wherever you listen, and you can binge those over the next few weeks, and you will learn a lot. I've also learned a lot. And they're also. There just got to be reform. There's got to be legal reform. It is the wild, wild West. And these babies, these embryos, these lives have absolutely no rights. They can be created by single men. They can be ordered from men in China. They can hire an egg seller and a surrogate. Here in the United States, they can pick up that child, take that child home, sex traffic that child for lots of money. There are no laws or no rules. And America is unique in that Europe has way better safeguards surrounding IVF and surrogacy than the United. And that is scary and very, very sad for a country who claims that we were all endowed with inalienable rights by a creator. All right, okay, we're gonna try to get into daystar just a little bit because I told you guys that I would update you and I can't keep putting it off, but I'm gonna have to condense it because we just don't have a whole lot of time to get into all of the new revelations of this day. Star Scandalous. But let me just tell you about our last sponsor and then we'll do as much as we can. That's my Patriot Supply. We don't know what the future holds. 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It's been around for a long time and I would say that it platforms the prosperity gospel like no other outlet. So I'm not a fan, but there are a lot of you who are interested in this, not only because it's daystar, but because of the potential victims within it, within this scandal that's going on. And I'm going to try again to give you as much of an update as I can and a recap without going too lengthy because it's going to be a super long episode. Okay, so Jonathan Lamb is the son of daystar President Joni Lamb. His wife Susie and Jonathan are alleging in recent interviews that a family member and employee of daystar, only identified as Pete, is suspected of sexually abusing their daughter and that Joanie and other higher ups at daystar covered up the allegations. Jonathan and Susie claimed that Joanie and her husband and Jonathan's dad, Marcus, tried to diminish the incident and later told them that Pete had been cleared of all guilt through a forensic psychologist that apparently Marcus had hired to do a lie detector test because Jonathan and Susie said that their four year old daughter claimed that this guy had touched her inappropriately. Jonathan also claimed that he walked in on some beach retreat and this guy was standing in the room with his naked daughter. And so obviously this blew up into a whole thing. And, you know, Joanie and Marcus said that, we're going to take care of this. We'll do a lie detector test. Don't worry. It cleared him. But there was a lot of drama here because Marcus also died shortly after this. These allegations were being made, at least privately. He died of COVID complications. And then very shortly after that, Joanie married someone new named Doug. And apparently Jonathan and Susie did not approve of that marriage. And so that caused. That caused a lot of drama apparently behind the scenes. And so when these allegations finally came to light, and they just came to light over the past few weeks that Joanie and Marcus had allegedly covered up the sexual abuse of their granddaughter by another daystar employee and possibly a family member, it was then purported by Joanie and her defense that, no, Jonathan and Susie are just mad. They're mad about my marriage to Doug that happened so quickly after my husband died. And also they are mad because Jonathan wasn't made president or CEO or head of daystar and I was made head of daystar. So all of these allegations that Jonathan and Susie are putting out there are really just revenge. However, there was audio that showed Jonathan and Joni and then Jimmy Evans, he is also a pastor, a big part of daystar having a conversation after Jonathan and Susie, like, disapproved of Joanie and Doug's marriage, where Jimmy Evans was saying, look, Joanie is the voice of God to you. He's. She's basically God at daystar, whatever she says goes. And if you don't do what we say, then you are not going to be promoted or we are going to let you let you go. So Joanie and Jimmy pressure Jonathan and Susie to submit to Joni's authority, calling her the voice of God. At daystar, Jimmy Evans asked Jonathan, if God came to you right now and he is saying you made a mistake, would you correct it? And he says, okay, well, God has spoken to you. He spoke to you through me. He Spoke to you through Jimmy. That's what Joni is saying. Jonathan says, you're not God. Evan says, we're God's representatives. And Evan says, you've got 80 years of experience sitting right here talking to you. It's a spirit, Jonathan. It's a spirit that you will not listen not just to authority, but to experience. Did you pastor for 41 years and work with marriages? I don't think so. You have about a thumbnail of experience compared to us. Later in the meeting, Jody tells Susie that she is not allowed to have convictions and fires her from daystar for refusing to read a viewer comment celebrating her second marriage. So that's apparently what a lot of this argument is about. She says, you are bad, Susie. You've got him by the balls and you know it. This is so evil what is happening. Susie replies. And Joni says, no, what is evil is you. What's evil is you and the spirit that is driving you. So there was a lot of drama, a lot of back and forth there. So that was July 11, 2023. That was a month after she decided to marry this guy, Doug Weiss. And then Jonathan and Susie, later in October of 2023, tried to reconcile over this disagreement. And I read a portion of the letter about this on the last episode about daystar, but a lot of you pointed out, and I appreciate this, that it was missing context, that when Joanie read part of the letter that I had read, that she made it seem like he was manipulating her and that this was about. These were about the allegations of sexual abuse. But apparently it wasn't about that. Apparently it was actually about the disapproval of the marriage, which Jimmy Evans and Joanie were angry about because they refused to read a congratulations, congratulatory like message from a viewer on air. And that caused this, all this drama. So Jonathan said, the list of demands that we received. So they received a list of demands from daystar saying, like, this is what you need to do to basically earn back our trust after you disapproved of this marriage. They said. Jonathan said, these demands are overreaching, inaccurate, and missing essential terms that we view as a prerequisite to moving forward. This episode began because of Joanie's need to control our biblical convictions to suit her personal choices. We will not compromise on our biblical beliefs and moral convictions. We are, however, willing to keep those beliefs to ourselves. And we can agree not to share our thoughts about Joanie's marriage to Doug on air, with our viewers, with staff, or on social media. During the meeting with Joni and Jimmy Evans. Joni purported to fire Susie and promptly removed her from all appearances on daystar. That was petty and harmful. Repair must be made. And then here's the section that Joanie quoted. We remain willing to put this episode behind us. However, we also require security, transparency and certainty about our future Day Star. So what I messed up on last time is that I, I thought that he was referencing their the abuse or alleged abuse of his child. But that's not what he was referencing. He was referencing the episode that of the audio that we just heard, that whole back and forth of saying Joanie is the voice of God, you have to approve of our marriage. Basically to achieve the goal of reconciliation. Jonathan says we would suggest that Joanie Days are and ourselves enter into a new contract that clearly spells out my future role as president of daystar restricts the ability of Joanie from taking actions adverse to our employment without good cause and without prior approval of a majority of the board of directors. In exchange for the agreement contemplated above, we will agree not to use, disseminate or otherwise publish any and all audio recordings that could be harmful or embarrassing to daystar, Joanie or our family. It is worth noting also this communication happened before November 18, 2023, which is when Jonathan and Susie found out that Daystar's internal investigations had not actually cleared the Daystar employee accused of molesting their daughter like they were told by Jonathan, Jonathan's father. So if you're wondering, well, hang on, what happened to those allegations? Why is, why aren't those allegations at the center of this division? Like why is it the approval or disapproval of the marriage? Well, Jonathan and Susie at this point they had kind of thought that that had been reconciled, that there was like nothing that could be done about that. I guess we don't know all of the details. I don't know if they believed that their child just like wasn't telling the full truth or that they didn't really know what happened. But that's why I guess they're not discussing that at this moment. Now, Joni Lamb has responded to all of this. On Tuesday, December 3rd, Day Star and Joni posted a 36 minute video to address some of the rumors and allegations. She says that when we are talking about the beach retreat incident where Pete was inside the room, Pete was not in fact alone with Jonathan and Susie's daughter in the room, but that her eight, her other eight year old grandson was also in the room and that Pete was holding another one year old baby. The child that is alleging abuse Came in and like changed clothes. Apparently that's what happened after this interview with the original journalist who released the story about the alleged abuse issued a correction that Pete was not alone in the room. And so she says that completely disproves all of this. Of course, Jonathan and Susie don't see it that way. And I would not say that just because there were other children in the room that necessarily clears him of any wrongdoing there. She says that her children, Jonathan and Susie, were supportive of her marriage to Doug until she mentioned adding Doug as a co host to her show. When she told Jonathan, Susie and her other children that Doug would be co hosting with her, apparently Susie did a complete 180 from her earlier excitement and turned against her. The reason is clear. They did not want someone else coming in and taking their place. But the truth is Doug did not take anyone's place. Marcus never intended Marcus. It's her first husband, Jonathan's dad. For Jonathan to be the president while he was alive or while he was alive. Joni said she is obviously not the voice of God. It was an illustration to point out that she is the authority at daystar. She also claims that Jonathan had been put on a performance improvement plan after repeatedly mismanaging several departments. He was the head over causing several people to quit. She says he did not improve and that was why he was fired. So she claims had nothing to do with the marriage. It didn't have to do with the allegations. It had to do with the fact that he wasn't doing a good job. Jonathan and Susie say, nope, that was incorrect when it comes to the allegation that their child made. They deny that Pete was just innocently standing in the room. Susie claimed that Pete followed the children when he saw their daughter going upstairs to change, causing her to feel uneasy, which is why she went up to the room. Jonathan and Susie clarified that on November 18, 2023, they found out that Pete had not been cleared by the lie detector guy, the forensic psychologist in 2021 and following the following the incident. And it was after this that Jonathan and Susie took their daughter to a counselor who then reported the suspected abuse to cps. So that's also a clarity, a clarifying thing on the timeline that I didn't get right or tell all of last week. This is when the police reopened the case into the sexual abuse of their daughter. Jonathan and Susie revealed that they have been followed by a private investigator in an obvious and harassing way. Jonathan also claims that in 2023 he felt led by the Holy Spirit to look at the surveillance footage of the daystar building. And at that exact moment, he saw a security guard put a tracker on his car. That's crazy. Joni is doing another interview with Marcus Rogers. He is a popular YouTuber. Joni said that Pete did take this polygraph test in July 2024. Well, that's strange. That's a strange timeline there because they originally said it was in 2021 specifically for pedophiles. Okay. And scored 99.5%, the highest scores possible. Okay. So she's saying that it didn't really happen. I guess she believes that her child or that her grandchild lied about this or that the parents are lying about this. She explains the beach house incident. She said that the facts were purposely left out to drive a damaging narrative. Joanie confirmed that there was an incident where the young girl accidentally walked in on Pete showering in 2020, prior to the beach house incident. Joni adds that neither Susie nor Jonathan were a upset about this at the time. Well, maybe because all of these things were kind of coming together and they realized they were. I'm just saying possibly there were too many instances of Pete accidentally being around their child, whether she was naked or he was naked. That just seems like a lot of things to. To happen that are just a coincidence. I'm just saying. Joni responded to the vehicle trackers accusation that Jonathan made. Joanie said that all Day Star vehicles have trackers and dry, and Jonathan was driving a Day Star vehicle. So that was not unusual. I have no idea if that is true. Joanie claimed they started doing this after her father, who used to work at daystar but suffered from dementia, got lost while driving one of the vehicles. According to Jonathan's Instagram, his grandfather, Joanie's father, died in April 2020. Jonathan claimed that Daystar didn't buy its first vehicle tracker until October 2023. So one of them is not telling the truth there. Joanie said that she hasn't seen Jonathan and Susie's children or Jonathan and Susie's children, her grandchildren, in over a year. Well, there are a lot of opinions that I could give on that. I will let you draw your own conclusions. I just wanted to. I just wanted to make sure that you had all the information. And, guys, I don't even have time to reflect on 2024. I've got to get out of here because I have to go to. I get to go to. I'm excited to go to a Christmas play. And so I gotta get out of here to make sure that I am on time for that. But I just want to say this and maybe I'll do something at the beginning of the year. I am so thankful. I am so thankful for every relatable listener. Thank you so much for listening, for watching, for attending share the arrows, for buying the book, for praying for me, for sending encouraging messages to me. I'm just so grateful for all of you. I'm grateful for the relatable team. We get to talk about things that matter. I get to talk about the craziness and the chaos of this world in light of the perfect sovereignty of God. And it is a privilege that I do not take for granted. I hope that you all have a wonderful Christmas celebrating the birth of our Savior and a wonderful new Year. We will see you guys back here soon.