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What do I think is really going on here? I'll give you my assessment. Also, Mega Church Pastor Robert Morris has been officially charged in the state of Oklahoma with indecent acts against a child. We will give you the breakdown of that sad story, but also why we have to be reminded did of Hope in the midst of a tragedy like that. And we've got a little light hearted segment at the end of today's episode that you don't want to miss. It's brought to you by our friends at Good Ranchers. Go to good ranchers.com code ally that's good ranchers.com code ally hey guys, welcome to Relatable Happy Thursday. Hope everyone has had a wonderful week so far. I know that you've had a replays the past couple days and nothing new to watch on YouTube or Spotify. However, we are back with a new episode today and if you didn't catch my Instagram story you might be a little confused because I promised on Tuesday that we would have the Nicole Shanahan interview on Wednesday, but it just was a little bit more technologically involved to put together this episode with the files that we have. And so we're just giving ourselves a little bit more time so we're putting it out on Monday. And guys, this is an interview that you don't want to miss. Producer Brie and I traveled to California to have this sit down interview. She talks about things she has never shared before. It was at times an emotional conversation. It was a fascinating and revelatory conversation about the machine that is Silicon Valley politics and how she was inundated in progressive politics herself. And she has had an awakening. We talk about the different things that led to that. It was an hour and a half conversation. It could have been three hours. There are going to be things that you are shocked by, but also things that you'll be like, wait, why didn't you ask this? Why didn't you go there? I had a list of questions that we didn't get to because everything that we did talk about was just so, like so deep and so much. And so we'll have to do a part two at some point where I ask all of the other questions that I had. She is a fascinating, very smart, very just lovely person. And you guys are going to learn a lot. And I just think really like and appreciate Monday's episode. And so I'm super, super excited for you to watch and listen to it. Make sure that you look out for that. That. Okay. Excuse me. Before we get into the topics for today, I just want to remind you guys, since I haven't been able to do that for the past couple days about Share the Arrow Share the Arrows 2025 Dallas, Texas October 11 this is a women's conference, a Christian women's conference. And I am waiting. I have like, I have the speaker lineup, but I am waiting for the final signature of one of the speakers and I would like to like announce them all at the same time. Guys, it's going to be absolutely incredible. I am so excited about the worship, about the teaching. It's going to be hard hitting and challenging and theologically deep and I'm just pumped about it. And so go to share the arrow arrows.com and get your tickets today. Bring your small group, bring your sisters and your friends, your mother, your mother in law, all the women in your life. Bring them to share the arrows October 11th. Go ahead and get those tickets, get the flights, get the hotel so you can get the best deal on all of them. That is share the arrows.com all right, let's get into all of the things that we got to cover today. It's a lot, especially since over the past two days I haven't been able to talk about anything. There's just so much that I want to pack into this one episode. But first I want to start on a God glorifying, beautiful, light hearted note. I guess it's kind of lighthearted. It's also a little sad. I guess you could call it bittersweet. The astronauts Butch Wilmore and Suni Williams that were stranded in space for, for nine months. Like, a whole baby was, like, gestated during the time that they were not actually. But I'm just saying, like, there were babies here on Earth that were, like, created and birthed during the time that they were stranded in outer space. That's got to be, like, one of the scariest situations. I had, like, a full body scan the other day. I've talked about it before, my pernuvo scan. It's like a magnetic scan for your body. And I towards the very end, got really claustrophobic. And I would have said that I am not claustrophobic. That, that, that, that kind of thing doesn't freak me out at all. At the very end, I kind of freaked out and I was like, if you don't let me out of here, I am going to break this thing. It's crazy how your mind just starts playing tricks on you. It becomes completely illogical, which is why it's called a phobia. I cannot imagine these people and the mental toughness and the endurance that they had to have in order to stay alive and to not know if they will ever see their families again, if they will ever be released from this small space. It's not like you can just go out and get some fresh air and to just know that you could be trapped there indefinitely. How did they not go insane? They were there for more than 280 days, stuck at the International Space Station prior to beginning their descent back to Earth, because they did make it back, thanks to Elon Musk and Donald Trump, Something that Joe Biden could and would not do. According to Elon Musk, President Biden, like, refused to do what needed to be done to bring them back. There was a new spaceship that went up there with new people to do their job up at the International Space Station. And then that shuttle, like, took them back down to Earth. And so after the new people got up there, CBS managed to interview them. Okay, so these people are in space and CBS is interviewing them, which is amazing. Like, I can't even get WI fi in some places in, like, the middle of a city. And we have the technology to interview people from space. It's crazy. So CBS interviewed these people from space before they came back down to America after their rescuers had gotten there. And here was the response, response of Captain Butch Wilmore. My feeling on all of this goes back to my faith. It's bound in my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. He is working out his plan and his purposes for his glory throughout all of humanity. And how that plays into our lives is significant and important. And however that plays out. And I am content because I understand that. I understand that he's at work in all things. Some things are for the good. Go to Hebrews, chapter 11. Some things look to us to be not so good, but it's all working out for his good, for those that. That will believe. And that. And that's. That's the answer. So thanks for asking. I just love that so much. I mean, I guess we have the answer to how he was able to maintain his peace and his sanity and his stability while he was there, potentially abandoned. I mean, he believes that God is working all things together for his good. And he took this opportunity to give glory God and to share the gospel. You can tell that's a good Southern man right there. Butch Wilmore is like a perfect astronaut name. Don't ask me why, it just is. And I'm just so thankful for that. So thank you to Butch for. To Captain Wilmore for giving glory to God. And thank God for how he orchestrated their. Their saving in the physical sense. I want to play you a video of them arriving back on Earth in their little shuttle, if that's the proper term, their space pod in the Gulf of America, literally greeted by a pod of dolphins. It's really sweet. Here it is. Earlier we saw that person performing safety checks. Now we can see some harnessing being placed around the capsule. This harnessing is what will be used to lift the dragon capsule out of the water and onto to the recovery vessel. Wow, we got a cute little pod of dolphins. It wasn't just one or two. Okay. I mean, that's just incredible. Like, it looks like there's a rainbow. There's literally dolphins greeting them back. I think that is even orchestrated by the Lord. Of course it is. And just like a really sweet moment. And again, just to reiterate, this did become political. Like many things that we've realized over the past couple of months since President Trump has gotten in office, that much of what was not happening under the Biden administration was not inevitable or what was happening under the Biden administration, it was not inevitable. They were the results of specific choices by the Biden administration. SpaceX CEO Elon Musk said in a March interview with Joe Rogan that he told then President Biden so this is several months ago when Biden was president, that SpaceX could bring the astronauts home, but Biden refused. Butch Wilmore was asked in an interview from the International Space Station in March about Musk's claim And he said that Musk's statements are factual. He didn't know much else besides that. But of course, now because of SpaceX, this is SpaceX Dragon, because of the efforts of the Trump administration, they are back home. So just praise God for that. I am sure that their families are just so thrilled. I can't imagine the joy that they're feeling right now. So praise the Lord for that. All right, we've got a much less light hearted story to get to, but very important in just a second. Let me pause and tell you about our first sponsor for the day. That's Adele Natural Cosmetics. Y'all. I love Adele Natural Cosmetics. I always tell you that I'm using their skincare every day. That is true. I use their essential cleanser. Even when I've got my studio makeup on, which is a little heavier, I use their essential cleanser. And I feel like my skin is not only totally clean after I use it, it's not this, you know, sudsy kind of like soapy cleanser. It's oil based. It feels like olive oil. I feel like my skin is totally clean, but also just really moisturized and glowing. But you know, one product that I don't talk about or haven't talked about as much but I use every week is their exfoliant. So it looks like red clay and it smells like coffee. It really wakes up your skin. 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The woman is named Cindy and she came forward not only with these allegations but with receipts of trying to confront the Morrises, of trying to tell her story and routinely being silenced in a variety of ways, including through a non disclosure agreement. And now he has been. Robert Morris has officially been charged with five counts of lewd or indecent acts with a child. Morris formally pleaded not guilty to the charges on Monday and was released on a fifty thousand dollar bond. And that happened in the state of Oklahoma where the crimes had originally taken place. So a little more on the background. Last June, 54 year old Cindy Clemshire Cleme Shire reported that she had been sexually abused over multiple years in the 1980s by Morris. He was a young married traveling evangelist at the time. Their Cindy's parents trusted him, allowed him into their home. He would stay there with his wife. And Cindy claimed that he would stay, sneak into his room or her room rather, and that he would sexually molest her at the age of 16 after over four years of abuse. So she claims this started when she was just 12. Cindy confided in a close friend who encouraged her to tell her family. And so she did tell her father. Her father confronted Morris and said, you know, if you don't get away from us and step down here, we're going to do something else about this. Of course the right response would have been right there to go to local authorities because at that point that's outside of just church jurisdiction. That is civil authorities responsibility to punish evil. Morris stepped away from the ministry for just two years. He eventually wanted to go back to pastoring. During this time, Cindy said that she received a call from Debbie Morris, Robert's wife, who told Cindy that she forgave her. Now remember, Cindy, according to her own story, was not asking for forgiveness. Debbie Morris, it seems, kind of called her out of the blue just to say, hey, just so you know, we forgive you for this accusation. Cindy had been talking about the abuse within her own personal circle, her friends, for years. So there are friends who say, yeah, Cindy did tell us about this at the time. This isn't just randomly coming up now. She actually tried to Sue Morris in 2005, but her actions did not generate much attention at the time. She obtained an attorney to file a civil lawsuit against Morris. Morris's attorney implied in response to that that they believed it was her fault. Cindy's fault for being, quote, unquote, flirtatious. At that time. They tried to offer her $25,000 to not talk about it. She refused. She then decided again last June to come forward publicly at the urging of her pastor, who was also the friend of the editor of an outlet called the Wartburg Watch. So that's who broke this story again in June, after the story broke last June 14th Robert Morrison, Gateway Church released statements that minimized Morris's abuse as the sexual sins of a young man who has since repented. Neither mentioned that the girl in question was actually a minor. They say this was sexual behavior with a young lady. This is what they said in the statement. No, a 12 year old is not a young lady. That is a child that is being molested. It doesn't matter if the person says, oh well, this person consented. A minor cannot consent no matter what they verbally say. The elders of Gateway Church said that Pastor Robert has been open and forthright about a moral failure he had over 35 years ago. So the inclusion of that phrase over 35 years ago is supposed to imply this was a long time ago. It doesn't matter. But of course it does matter, especially when justice has not been carried out. Neither statement, again was entirely true. Cindy responded to this via the Christian Post. She said that she was appalled that Morris referred to her as a young lady. She said I was a little girl, a very innocent little girl. And she also said that the lie was that it was just kissing. It was just that they were behaving inappropriately together. But she says, he says there was no sexual intercourse, but he did touch every part of my body. And this is graphic. I'm just warning you. He said he inserted his fingers into me, which I understand now is considered a form of rape by instrumentation. I was an innocent 12 year old little girl who knew nothing about sexual behavior. I mean, that is just absolutely abhorrent. Yes, that is a crime that should put you in jail. Obviously that disqualifies you from ministry forever, particularly when you are in a pastoral position, a professing Christian, when you are molesting a child, you should be nowhere near a pulpit. And anyone who says, well, look at the ministry he created and the lives that he reached and all of the people who heard about the good news of Jesus and who were helped by Gateway Church. Look, God works despite the evil of man, not because of it. That points to God's goodness and God's power. If indeed people truly heard the gospel through anything that Robert Morris was saying or believing or building at the time, or leading at the time, God is really, really faithful. That does not mean that he approves of Robert Morris's behavior, that he has forgotten about it. In fact, he says that vengeance is mine, says the Lord, I will repay. And I believe that his wrath was kindling towards this act and that this justice, this finding out of Robert Morris is not just justice and, and faithfulness. To Cindy, who I understand is still, you know, still is a Christian. Thank the Lord for that. But also truly a grace to Robert Morris. Sometimes the most gracious thing that God can do is you to be found out for your sin, because that hiding creates a callousness in you, creates a separation between you and God. And it is through God's mercy and even his love for the perpetrator of this awful abuse, Robert Morris, that he said, you are no longer going to be in hiding and far from me, but I am going to bring you to a place of total devastation and vulnerability in the hopes that you will truly repent. And I don't know if that's where Robert Morris is, but I pray to God that it is. I pray for repentance for everyone in. For everyone, period. Even for someone who committed such an evil act. Like the. The best form of justice, in addition to the civil justice, is also that he realizes the severity not only of his sin 35 years ago, but the sin of being a fake shepherd, the sin of living a lie. Now, thankfully, he did resign from gateway Church on June 18 after the report was published. At the time, the church claimed that Morris had not revealed that it was a little girl. So they made their original statements when everyone, understandably, was up in arms, like, really a young lady. Sexual sin that happened 35 years ago. That's how you guys are handling child molestation. They changed course and they said, oh, wait, we didn't know that it was a child. Which doesn't necessarily seem true. And then he resigned. Now I'm glad that he resigned. It is reported by the Christian Post that Gateway Church subsequently authorized an independent investigation into the allegations against Morris. And last November, the results showed that there were elders and employees at Gateway who did know about Cindy's young age. Before the report detailing her abuse went public, these elders were also removed from the church. Praise God. And I do pray. I pray for Gateway. Gosh, I pray for every single believer that has ever been a part of that church. Like when you trust whether it's no matter what pastor, it is. And we talked about a lot of pastors who have failed in different ways recently. That is really rocking for your faith. It really is. And thank the Lord that Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever. But you understand how that can be really difficult for someone, especially who may be a new Christian, who looked up to someone as a spiritual mentor. And you're thinking, if you don't even get it, how can I get it? And of course, we have so Much grace. And we preach the gospel over and over again to ourselves and to those people. But under, like have compassion for people who are rocked by things like this because this is really tough. This is really tough. So pray for Gateway Church that they would have a leadership and elders and a pastor who believe truly in the gospel, who are living that out in every area of their lives. To have integrity means to have your life integrated. So all different parts of your life are integrated in the gospel of Christ. There's no part over here that is like secret sin that you allow to fester because that's how Satan creates a foothold. And then he's used this to try to shipwreck the faith of people, to try to test people's belief not in Robert Morris, but in God himself. And we know that the gates of hell won't prevail against the church and we're thankful for that. But we got to pray for this local church too. They would put good leadership in charge who believe in the gospel, preach the gospel, who believe in the authority of God's word and live those integrated lives. All right, we've got more new information about this in just a second, but we've got quite a few ads to get to today. Since we didn't have new episodes for the past couple days, we've got more than usual. Let me pause and tell you about our second one. It's We Heart Nutrition. Y'all know how much I love We Heart Nutrition. 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Oklahoma, Oklahoma or the Oklahoma Attorney General said that Oklahoma and other frontier states have a provision in their laws that allows them to pause the statute of limitation. So statute of limitations says okay, after a certain point someone can't be charged for a crime that they committed, but it doesn't apply to all crimes. So they're saying when it comes to a crime like this sexual assault of a child, that statute of limitations does not apply. Even though it's 35 years ago, he can obviously still be charged. I think that's really good. Since Morris was a traveling evangelist who did not reside in Oklahoma when he is alleged to have committed the crimes, Drummond, the Attorney General and his prosecutors argued that there was a pause on the statute of limitations. Okay, so that changes what I said just a little bit. So it does have to do with the crime, but it also just has to do with the fact that the statute of limitations doesn't apply here because he was not actually a resident of Oklahoma. He was traveling around and so that changes the policy around the statute of limitations. Arrest documents show that Morris was formally booked by the Osage County Sheriff's Office in Oklahoma at 7:57am last Monday, was released minutes later on bond. Morris is set to appear in court on May 9. He faces a possible 100 years maximum imprisonment if he is convicted on all five counts of lewd or indecent acts with a child and a judge orders sentences to be served consecutively. He could also be sentenced to as little as five years in prison if convicted on all five counts due to the law that was in effect for the crime more than 35 years ago. So that's a quite a wide range, quite a wide range, the Oklahoma's Office of the Attorney General told the Christian Post. At the time of the abuse, the range of punishment was one to 20 years in prison. The additional restrictions based on the victim's age were not in effect in the law at the time of Morris's alleged crime. So one to 20 years. The reason why the lowest he could be sentenced, the lowest amount of time he could be sentenced to is because there's five counts that would be one year for each count if he is charged with all five. So he could be, I guess theoretically, if he was found not guilty in all of these, he could spend no time in jail, or he could spend just one year in jail. If he is only convicted, found guilty of one of these charges, but said if he's found guilty of all five, minimum five years, up to 100 years in prison. Again, the math works out because if the maximum 35 years ago was 20 years for these charges, then five times 20 is a hundred. So I doubt that he will get a hundred years in prison. But he does deserve to go to prison. He absolutely does. Just because something was a long time ago doesn't mean that justice should not be served. The government as instituted by God, we read in Romans 13, is to execute justice against the wrongdoer. It's to punish evil and to reward good. So this again is under the jurisdiction of the government, not just the local church. And what is being done here is right. Gateway Church released this statement after the indictment. We are aware of the actions being taken by the legal authorities in Oklahoma, and we are grateful for the work of the justice system in holding abusers accountable for their actions. We continue to pray for Cindy Clemenshire and her family, for the members and staff of Gateway Church, and for all of those impacted by this terrible situation. Well, that's much better response than they initially had. Cindy Clemenshire shared her story in front of lawmakers at the Texas State Capitol yesterday. Clemenshire testified in favor of a Texas bill that would eliminate NDA agreements for survivors of sexual abuse and civil court agreements. About 18 years ago. Clement Shire, as we already noted, said Morris offered her a settlement if she signed an NDA. She declined. She said, I would never sign anything that gave my rights away to share my story. But other people are in more vulnerable situations and really an NDA should not apply. Like if someone was sexually abused, even if they signed an NDA and they come forward, they shouldn't be. And you can do that. But there is risk, there is potential risk there of coming forward. And she's saying there should be no risk whatsoever for someone to come forward with that kind of information. When asked about Morris's not guilty plea, because he did plea not guilty to all of these charges, Clemenshire told the Christian Post. It did not surprise me. It is my understanding any attorney would advise their client to plead not guilty. It gives the criminal the opportunity to negotiate a plea. So the person D. Parsons, who originally reported on this for Wartburg Watch, said Gateway Church founder Robert Morris surrenders, expects to plead not guilty. And this person says if he pleads not guilty, we will know exactly how he treats the truth. Well, I don't think that was ever up for debate. I think that we were all aware of how he treated the truth, the fact that he kept this a secret for 35 years and continued to be in pastoral leadership. So again, continue to pray for all of them. Continue to pray for this entire situation, for Cindy, her family living with this pain for so long, and just pray that they would trust in the saving grace of Jesus and in the faithfulness of Jesus, including Robert Morris, including his entire family, who has been affected by this. That's what we want. We want whatever Satan means for evil to be redeemed and turned for good. And God is in the business of redemption. And his eternal plan of redemption is always going off without a hitch. He knows who his sheep are. He knows who his people are. There's nothing that can thwart his will. Job 42:2. And we just have to trust in the power and the sovereignty and the goodness, the mercy, the faithfulness of God. Okay, before we get into the rest of that, I have to take another quick pause to get another add in. And that is preborn, y'all. I love preborn. This is a network of pro life clinics across the country that is saving baby lives. Let me tell you this story. This is a story of a real client at a preborn pregnancy center. Maddie was in a really tough situation. She wasn't sure who the father of her child was, but after receiving counseling, prayer, a free ultrasound at a preborn network clinic, everything changed. She discovered that not only was she pregnant, but she was actually pregnant with twins. And she found the strength that she needed to choose life. 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So this was a big story this week. Another big media shakeup and the conservative world. And that is that Jeremy Boring, the co founder and co CEO of the Daily Wire, is stepping down from his role, he says, to focus on creative projects for the company. He told staff in a memo that was reported first by Axios this week. So Axios got the exclusive on this. Axios has done a lot of exclusive reporting for the Daily Wire. So a little bit of of background before I get into kind of what what it seems like happened. Boring founded the Daily Wire in 2015 alongside Ben Shapiro and Caleb Robinson. Robinson and Boring have been co CEO since 2019. He will take over, according to Axios, as the one and only CEO, effective immediately, the memo says. The reporting by Axio says that Boring will remain with the company in an advisory role, will focus on creat creative projects full time, including the Daily Wire TV series the Pendragon Cycle. He is the director and Executive producer of that. Boring said this in a statement. When Ben, Caleb and I founded the Daily Wire In 2015, we set out to build an institution. I'm enormously proud of our team, our mini battles and of the successes we have achieved together to get us to the heights we know we can achieve. We have brought in a world class executive team that I am confident will thrive in taking us to the next level under Caleb's ongoing leadership. While I turn my full attention to creative and entertainment ventures for the company, he will apparently still be a part of Daily Wire Backstage, which is show that they do together with Ben and Matt and Michael Knowles and Andrew Clavin. Ben Shapiro and Caleb Robinson gave their own statements to the Daily Wire but have not posted about the change on X. Ben Shapiro says Jeremy's hard work and brilliant leadership have been indispensable to the growth of this company from an idea to the largest conservative digital media company in the country. And then the last line, he says, we can't wait to see what he does next. It's interesting. And then Caleb Robinson, he said we couldn't be more excited. Excited for this next phase of Daily Wire's growth and for Jeremy as he pursues the completion of Pendragon and then moves on to work with us on further important creative endeavors. Okay, so this is kind of a big shakeup. For all the reasons that were just listed. Daily Wire is huge. I'm a huge Daily Wire fan, have been a big Daily Wire fan for a long time. I was listening to and reading Ben Shapiro far beyond before I even started writing about conservative politics, talking about it, posting on social media. I am still a fan of Ben Shapiro and I'm very just so thankful for the work that Daily Wire has contributed to the conservative space and how they have led in so many ways. And the conservative space. I have known a lot of the people there for a long time. And what I think is, I think that there are a lot of things probably going on here that I could speculate, but as I like to do, I just like to look at what is actually being said. And you guys know I'm interested in PR and PR statements and why words are chosen as they are chosen. And when you read a lot of press releases and you read a lot of of reports about big transitions like this, you start to pick up on certain patterns and you're able to better interpret them. I think as he stepped down as CEO and he is taking on what they are calling an advisory role, I personally think that he will fully transition out of the company altogether. I think that that is language chosen to try to demonstrate that this is a friendly transition and that this is not some kind of hostile takeover. I think that's what they are trying to communicate to the public. What an advisory role is, is up for debate. It's vague terminology that is kind of, again, I think intentionally used to communicate PR message. And the reality is we don't know what really went on and why. We know that they are bringing in a lot of revenue from different revenue sources and a lot of very successful and wonderful creative endeavors. We don't really know what the profits were. Revenue and profit, two very different things. What we know is that there were two very profitable shows that ended over the past year. We've got Candace Owens, very profitable show, and we've got Brett Cooper, very profitable show. People who built their brands and their audiences almost from scratch that I assume were probably bringing in a lot of people to the Daily Wire, a lot of money to the Daily Wire. And both of those shows ended in different ways for different reasons. But I imagine that was a hit on Daily Wire and that they Were kind of looking at the lay of the land, looking at their profits and thinking, okay, we gotta change something, but we, we gotta do something differently here. And, yeah, I don't know. Obviously, I don't know all of the details, and I will read you some of the responses of the people that used to work there. But just as an outsider looking in who only has a little bit of insight into how all of this works, that is my assessment. Reading in between the lines on what's being reported, the statements that are being made, when I see that Ben Shapiro and his statement says, I look forward to seeing what he does next, that indicates something for me. Because in the Axios report and even in what Caleb Robinson said, Jeremy Borene, it seems, was going to stay there. He's going to stay there and he's going to do these creative projects with the Daily Wire. And when Ben Shapiro says, well, I look forward to seeing what he does next, I'm thinking, well, what do you mean? You just said that he's good. They just said that he's going to stay with the Daily Wire. And so I don't know, maybe I'm reading too far into that. Maybe Ben simply means that they look forward to seeing what Jeremy does at Daily Wire. To me, it seems like there is going to be probably a full departure sometime in the near future. And I have no doubt that whatever those pursuits are outside of the Daily Wire for Jeremy, that he will be very successful. He's a creative guy. He started from nothing, helped build this huge company. He is really smart and really good at what he does. And I think whatever he creates next will be really good. And I also think that Daily Wire is going to continue to be successful. You've got a lot of commentators out there saying, this is the Daily Wire imploding. No, I think that this is the Daily Wire adjusting and maybe rerouting a little bit so that they remain successful. And I think they will. I do. I mean, they've still got really good talent there. They lost two really big talents, but they've still got really good talent in people like Michael Knowles and Matt Walsh and many others there, too. So I think they'll be fine. I think Jeremy Boring will be fine. My guess is that it wasn't quite as friendly and as easy as it's being reported, but any company would want to give that impression to the public. So I don't blame anyone here, but that's my assessment. I'll get into what other people think in just a second. Let me pause us and tell you about our next sponsor for the day and that is Every Life. I love Every Life diapers. We use them in our family and they work really well. I just appreciate that all of the materials that are used in Every Life diapers are really clean. They're really good for the skin. 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Of course everyone's always open to lucrative opportunities, whether it's just an individual employee looking for better employment somewhere else else or whether it's the owner of a company who, you know, wants to make money and do things that make sense. And so, I don't know. We don't know if that's going to happen or not. Especially now that Jeremy is gone. We just don't know everything about the plans. Okay. Brett Cooper, you know, she left there just a few months ago. She built this huge channel. The comment section that, I mean, had just incredible engagement. She's got over a million followers on Instagram. She is, I think, like the conservative voice for Gen Z. She does such a good job. And she was seen as just kind of like this breath of fresh air at Daily Wire because she was different than a lot of the guys there. I mean, I love the commentary of the guys at Daily Wire. Just like I'd been following Ben Shapiro, I've been following Matt Walsh since before I was doing anything in conservative media. I love all of them. But she's different. Like, she's a girl girl. She's spunky. She's probably not gonna sit in, like, some dark den and smoke a cigar and talk about, I don't know, Kierkegaard and, I mean, maybe she will. Sorry, Brad. If that's something that you like to do. But she is just, like, she's energetic. She's got a fresh voice. She talks about pop culture, but she also talks about, like, deeper and more serious stuff. And she's very likable. She's very likable. And that's how she's built, like, such a faithful audience. And it just seemed like such a huge asset to the Daily Wire and a unique audience for the Daily Wire. Candace Owens, too. And I know they had, like, a whole different conflict, which we talked about at the time. You should go back and listen to my, like, crisis king Candace Owens episode that we did a year ago when she. When she left. You can hear my assessment of everything that went down then. But both of them, unique audiences, more female audiences. And Brett didn't really leave on good terms. Again, like, you could go back if you want to try to understand what's really happening right now. I think a good idea would be to go back and to watch her and Jeremy's response after she left the Daily Wire just a couple months ago. And now to see this response and we can put it up. She put this gif of Jimmy Fallon. She, quote, tweeted the Axios report that says that Daily Wire co CEO Jeremy Boring to step down. She posts this. This, like, I. I don't know what you would call it. Smirk, soft smile, kind of like, I'm happy about this gif from Jimmy Fallon. That was her response. So that tells us right there that her leaving Daily Wire was not as friendly and as smooth as we were told it was at the time. Which means that there's a lot more going on behind the scenes. Means Brett also said right under that, genuinely excited to see where Ben and Caleb take the company next. And I don't, I have not talked to Brett about this. I, I have not talked to Jeremy about it. I haven't talked to anyone about this. But I am just looking at this response and saying, okay, obviously she's got beef specifically with Jeremy. That's, that's what's going on. And it seems to me like she is saying that the shake up that occurred when she left the contention or the just the whatever happened, the discord between her and Jeremy possibly played a role in this. And so it seems to me like that is the message that she is communicating. And Candace Owens retweeted this. Candace Owens has been talking even recently more about the Daily Wire. You'll remember that Candace and Ben have very, very, very diverging views on Israel. And her friendship with Kanye west who made some really disturbing comments about Jewish people, also caused a divide at the Daily Wire. A video was leaked of Ben Shapiro talking badly about Candace Owens. And it was just this whole, it was just this whole fight at the time. And so now she's gone off on her own. She's been insanely successful in doing that already. Brett Cooper has been insanely successful. And so I think this gives the impression to people that, okay, these independent creators that are mad at Jeremy Bore, that are mad at some ways at Daily Wire, I don't know about Brett if she's mad at Daily Wire in general. They're doing really well. Things are changing at Daily Wire. They must be in the loser position here. That's not necessarily my assessment. I think Owens and Cooper are doing amazingly well and they will continue to do amazingly well. I also think the Daily Wire will be fine. But Candace said she's celebrating the fact that Boring stepped down, saying the Boring stepping down was tremendous news. She also pointed to the statements Ben Shapiro and Kaylin Robinson gave to the Daily Wire, adding that if they were excited about this decision, then she could be as well. So again, this is implying that Candace's, Candace Owens's beef was specifically with Jeremy Bore. Now she also did have public beef with Ben Shapiro. So it's not just Jeremy, but it seems like she's got a specific issue with Jeremy too. She points out that there was no new title announced for Jeremy Boring. So that indicates to her, she says, that he also might be leaving. So that was about all of, of the kind of like insight and commentary that she gave. She did a whole video on this and she did a video I think on the Daily Wire last week too. You can go watch those and see her, see her assessment, if you're interested in that. This also comes on the heels of yet another Crisis King controversy. You'll remember when she left Daily Wire, that was a whole big debate because after she laughed, after she was fired, she posted Christ is King. People thought that this was like a, they interpreted this, some as a direct attack on Ben Shapiro, who is Jewish, who obviously doesn't believe Christ is King. And there was this whole debate about whether it's antisemitic to say Crisis King and whether people are using anti Semitism as a way to silence Christians from using this refrain. I have talked about this. I talked about this on Glenn's show last week. Then Jordan Peterson, he led this report that was recently published that said Christ is King is being has been co opted by these anti Jewish voices in order to attack Jews and they're using his name in vain. Now this is kind of like an aside from everything I've been talking about, but this is all happening at once. And like I do think all the context of this matters. I mean, my quick take on this is that yes, there are people who use Christ is King in vain. Like you can see the posts on acts where people are like Crisis King, you dirty Joe. Like I think it's pretty safe to say that that person is not a Christian and that they are using it in a way to, to attack someone who is not Christian. To attack a Jewish person that is using the Lord's name in vain, that is a sin. Do I think that everyone who uses Christ as king or even most people who use that refrain Christ is King, that they are directly attacking Jewish people, that they are being anti Semitic? No, I, I don't think that. I think that is a true phrase and it is a refrain that Christians have used that Christians can use. I don't think people should stop themselves hinder themselves from saying Christ is King when just because they're afraid of someone calling them antisemitic. I think that you should continue to say it, but of course you should never say it in a way that is not simply a humble, sincere declaration of Jesus's lordship and Jesus's royalty. It is not a mantra simply to Virtue Signal or to try to attack someone else. Of course that's true of any Bible verse or any Christian refrain. And so that was a debate then. This is another debate now. Candace recently talked about this before she even knew that Jeremy Borean was going to step down. Of course people are trying to put the puzzle pieces together and say that this is all kind of like affecting one another. People are also pointing out that Jeremy Boring has been kind of like in confrontations with different commentators, including people like Jason Whitlock, Talk on X. And maybe that wasn't making the company look good. I don't know about that. I feel like Jeremy has always kind of just been like very forthright with the things that he says and believes and hasn't been afraid to disagree with people who are even on his political side. So I don't really think that that's a part of this decision. Again, just my subjective assessment there. All in all, I, I think that everyone's going to be fine. I think we'll find out more information about everything that went down over the next few months, but I think everyone's going to be fine. I have no doubt that Ben Shapiro at all will be successful. Daily Wire will be fine. I think Jeremy Boring will be fine. I think that Candace and Brett will continue to do well. And I want all of these people to be successful. I want that. I think that it's good for the conservative movement for Daily Wire to continue to be successful and for people to have a variety of voices to listen to. But yeah, media shakeups. It's interesting. 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It is a curated list that is, it's editorialized by the people who work at the New York Times. Which is why it always is amazing when a conservative book is on there there. That's why we were shocked that my book went on there. But there are some books that even if the editors at the New York Times do not like it and they completely agree with the message, they might put it on there for a variety of reasons. Either like the sales are just so high that you just can't deny it and it would be ridiculous not to put it on there or it is starting important conversations, cultural conversations that maybe the New York Times doesn't agree with but they could see how it's causing buzz. And I'm very thankful that my book did sell well and it still causing a lot of conversations. Some people who have actually read it and are giving proper assessments and some people who have not read it and are virtue signaling by giving their knee jerk reactions. But yeah, it, it does show you when a book that doesn't seem by the objective metrics that we can see to be selling well and still makes the list. You see the bias of place like the New York Times and like the things that they, that they include there just very, very disturbing stuff. And I just encourage you to go back and to listen to or watch that episode also if you. Oh, were you gonna say something? Oh, I was just gonna add that now he is gonna have a podcast also so. Oh, I wasn't gonna tell them that Bri oh, sorry. I was gonna keep that part a secret. Yeah, I guess that's more free promo, but, yeah. Do you think he wants to? Come on. You know what? I don't think he does. You don't? Based on him blocking all of us on Instagram, I don't think he does. But maybe one day. Yes. After Jesus Christ saves and redeems him. Yep. Yep. He still does have a good singing voice. Yeah. Beautiful voice. Yeah. Okay, can we end on something happier than that? Is there anything, Bri, that we can end on? You had fun in. We both had fun in California. And you had a really good breakfast burrito on the beach. Breakfast burrito on the beach is. Is. Is the ultimate experience. It really is. I didn't have a breakfast burrito the whole time I was there, and I'm kind of regretting it. And I didn't go to the beach. Oh, my gosh. I know. Yeah. That's rough. Yeah. No, but it was beautiful. I had never been there before. It was beautiful. Yeah, it was. And I had some protesters. Yeah. Talk about that love that. I said, well, maybe we'll put up a picture of the protesters. I had these two grandmas that had little signs that said, empathy is good, ladies. I want you to read my book. And then they were called the Pink Pony protesters. Yeah, they had a name. They had a name. Yeah. Big Chapel Roan fans, I guess. And, like, one of the guys was like, I'm a Satanist, and I have more empathy than you. Oh, you don't? No, you actually just literally don't. You don't. But you also confuse. You feeling bad for your pet victims without actual love, when really, you're a hateful person and you need Jesus. Yeah. I've had protesters since 2018 at a lot of my events. Doesn't always happen, but almost every time I'm in California, it happens. But I love California. Shout out to Christians and conservatives in California. Y'all are especially awesome and strong. Do you go out and talk to them? No. Okay. I was just wondering how you knew all of that. What do you mean? Of the people that were out there. There. Oh, I didn't go out and talk to them. But there was security out there. Oh, yeah. And so I got pictures, and they. Yeah, they told me that they have a name. They were very organized protesters. They even filled out a form beforehand telling the Granada Theater we will be there protesting. We thought that they were protesting Israel. This is how sad these people are. There was, like, a kids, like, Jewish dance recital. Okay. There's like a Jewish dance company that had, like, a sweet little recital there a couple weeks ago. These freaking protesters protested that with, like, Palestinian flags. It's the same people. Yes. Like, oh, okay, so you just blatantly are anti Jewish. Like, these Jewish little kids doing ballet. You're just blatantly anti kids. And you think that you are anti Nazi. Yeah. Hitler would love you. Like, be in love with you. It's crazy. It's crazy. But, you know, God has blessed me with very stupid enemies, and for that, I'm thankful. All right, that's all we've got time for today. We'll be back here on Monday.