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Ep 1195 | Phil Robertson’s Legacy, Demi Lovato Goes Normal & Hawaii Thoughts
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Allie Beth Stuckey
What happened to Demi Lovato? We are taking a look at her trajectory and how things actually seem to be pointing in a really good direction and what that tells us about the evolution that our culture is going through. We also hear some positive motherhood comments from two pretty progressive actresses. Are we seeing a shift when it comes to marriage and motherhood? Also, we will be honoring Phil Robertson, who died on Sunday, and remembering his legacy of evangelism. And to start the show, I've got some thoughts about my husband's and my trip to Hawaii. This episode is brought to you by Kexi Cookies. That is K E K S I. They are incredible cookies and they are shipped right to your front door. Go to kexi.com use code ALI15 for 15 off. That's kexi.com code ALI15 foreign Hey, guys. Welcome to relatable Happy Tuesday. Hope everyone is having a wonderful week so far. I hope that you were able to have a good long weekend. We have a long weekend because we are honoring those who have paid their lives, who have sacrificed to the utmost so we could have freedom and security. And so thank you. Seems inadequate when it comes to that kind of sacrifice. And we can simply try to honor them with how we live our lives and not take that freedom and security for granted. And so I hope you were able to take some time yesterday to reflect on that and honor those who have given their lives for our country. That reminded me, you know, some people were mad yesterday about Trump because he posted on truth social media, happy Memorial Day. And we don't say happy Memorial Day typically, because it's not a happy day. You are reflecting on those who have died for our country, but some of the same people who were calling him out for that, who were saying, oh, my goodness, he shouldn't have said happy Memorial Day. Brie, do you remember last year, Kamala Harris's post?
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Bree
Wasn't it a picture of her?
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Allie Beth Stuckey
It was a picture of her. We'll pull it up if we can find it. It was literally just a picture of her. We looking off to the side and it said, enjoy the long weekend.
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Bree
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
Okay. So at least President Trump acknowledged that it was Memorial Day and didn't, as far as I know, post a picture of his own self, a selfie of himself, which he would do. So I. I don't know that he would. I don't think that he would. I think that he would for.
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Bree
Not for Memorial Day.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
Not for Memorial Day. Yes. In general, he might do an AI depiction of himself fighting in World War II. For we know but yesterday he did not choose to do that versus Kamala Harris who posted a picture of her profile and said enjoy the long weekend. So once again every day is celebrate November 2024 day where we thank the Lord that we do not have Kamala Harris as President. All right, so C.R. and I, you might have seen on Instagram last week we were in Hawaii celebrating our 10th year year of marriage and it's not our 10 year anniversary yet. It's not until September, but this was the time of year that we were able to go Chief Related BRO surprised me with this trip for Christmas. There was like a lay in my stocking. And so we have been counting down the days to this trip since Christmas. We've been so excited about it. It was just us two. We had the most wonderful time. It was relaxing but we really missed our babies and we were so excited to back but it was wonderful quality time. And I've got some thoughts about Hawaii and about some of the things that we saw there and I've got some political thoughts and some theological thoughts about it and I'll share those in just a second. But before we get into all of those different things, I just want to remind you about Share the Arrows 2025 brought to you by our friends at EveryLife. It is going to be here before we know it, which kind of freaks me me out because there's a lot to prepare for and plan for you guys. There are going to be so many thousands of you there and I want it to be the best conference, the best event that you have ever been to and hopefully by the grace of God it will be. What I know for sure is because of the grace of God, because of the wisdom of the speakers that are going to be there. It is going to be an incredibly powerful, incredible, an edifying day for everyone. Worship will be led by Grammy Award winning artist Francesca Bad Estelli. I will be speaking. We've got apologist Elisa Childers. We've got Ginger Duggar Volo. We've got a motherhood panel with Abby Halberstadt. She is an author and a homeschooling mom of 10. We've got Hillary Morgan Ferrer who will also be on that motherhood panel. She is the author of the very popular books Mama Bear Apologetics. We've got a Biblical health panel with Shauna Holman and Taylor Dukes. They've both been on this podcast. And then one of your favorites, Katie Faust, who is just incredible. She is going to be bringing the hard truths about putting children first. Not Just in our own personal worldview, but also in our lives and in our politics, y' all. I don't know. Another hard hitting, deep, theologically challenging, apologetically conference like this for women. I don't want you to miss out. Go to share the arrows.com It's October 11th, Dallas, Texas. We'll be putting kind of our rough schedule up this week. A lot of you have been asking me about that so you can plan your day. But it'll be doors open probably 8amit'll be done by 5:30pm it's just a one day event. So important for everyone to be able to get back home to their families and be able to get to church the next day. So it's a one day event on Saturday. I want to meet you guys there. There are VIP options if you want to meet me and the speakers. So check all of that out @sharethe arrows.com that's sharethe arrows.com all right. Some thoughts that I had on our trip that I, I have a notes app full of all of my random thoughts. And so I, I wrote some, I wrote some notes. I'll try to make sense of my stream of consciousness as I tell them to you. Okay, Number one, when we were there by how many young couples brought their kids of all ages, and that is depending on where you live in the mainland. Like, that is quite the flight. And we saw so many families bring their little babies, their toddlers, their older kids, which for us it was just a just us trip. We travel with our kids all the time. But we were just so heartened by how many families decided to make that probably kind of difficult trek to, to give their children that experience and enjoy those memories with their children. And something I thought about every time we saw parents, especially obviously new parents of young babies or every time we saw parents wrangling their toddlers, we just felt so much compassion for them and so much understanding. And that is something very remarkable that happens when you become a parent. You see in other children, in every child that you see, you see a little bit of your own child. And your compassion for them and your care for them, like is very profound in that moment. Like when you hear a baby crying on the plane, rather than thinking, oh my gosh, I just need to put on my noise canceling headphones or I'm so annoyed. I can't believe they would be traveling with their rambunctious child. You think, oh, I've been there or oh, that poor baby. And you have the instinct and the inclination to Go help you, those parents or to go help that child. And it made me think about another reason in addition to the many others. It's so important for people to have kids and how important it is collectively for society to be made up of mostly parents. That's not to say people without children can't have compassion or can't be loving or understanding or kind or any of those things. And there are plenty of parents who lack all of those qualities. But as a whole, in general, one of the challenges or one of the detriments to the birth dearth, the fertility crisis that we are experiencing in America is that you have so many adults walking around that have no idea what it is like to care for a child. No idea what it is like to have that deep, profound, self sacrificial love that you so deeply and instinctively feel, feel for your children and that you share to some degree with other children that you see that really matters when it comes to the decisions that adults make that impact the rest of society. I think it's important for leaders of all stripes, whether they're leading a business or especially if you're leading politically and you are deciding on policy that is going to affect not only society right now, but future generations. It is really important for most adults at least to have a personal stake in the future, to really care what happens after you die. Not just because of some altruistic inclination, but because you will have children that you love and grandchildren that you love taking part in that future. I think it's really important for decision makers in our society to be able to have that personal stake and to be able to have that kind of capacity for compassion for children and for future generations. And yeah, that's going to be, that's going to be a detriment that we see taking root and manifesting itself very soon. And I think we already see that in a lot of ways. But it is so important not just on an individual and personal level, but again, I think societally and generally just as a whole for people to have children because of the character traits, character traits that it both initiates and accelerates in people. Okay, so that's one thought that I had. Another thought that I had is about the state of Hawaii, which is arguably the most beautiful state in our union. Now I love California. There's a lot of things I don't love about California, but my husband and I love California. We think it's so beautiful. Not just the beaches, but we love the mountains, we love the diversity of topography that you have in California, it's just a gorgeous state that is very mismanaged. And Hawaii is very similar in that you have a state that is so beautiful and is so incredibly, because of progressive ideology and the one party system that pretty much dominated, dominates Hawaii. You have a very mismanaged, beautiful state. And if you go outside of the very touristy areas, if you go outside of the resorts, you see this mismanagement, you see that much of Hawaii is actually being neglected, despite how beautiful it is. Those who say that they care so much about the environment, in places like Washington or Oregon or California or Colorado or Hawaii, some of these beautiful cities, states, things are very dilapidated, things are very dirty. These places actually aren't being cared for, in a sense. And because of that, not only is nature itself suffering, but the people who are taking part in nature or suffering. And this made me think about part of the creation order that progressivism distorts and denies. We talk a lot about Genesis 1:27 and how progressivism, because of its hatred for God, it denies that people are made in the image of God from the moment of conception, which we read in Genesis 1:27, that were made in God's image. So we get an answer about the value of human life. And we read in Genesis 1:27 that God made us in his image, male and female. We see the definition of gender, the definition of the value of life, and the definition of marriage right there in that one verse in the first chapter of the Bible. And progressivism denies all of that. But another part of the creation order, the creation mandate that progressivism denies is that we are to work the ground and to keep it. That was one of the first, the first order of business, really, that was given to Adam when he was placed in a garden. This is pre fall. He was to work the ground and to keep it. So work is not a product of sin. It is not a necessary evil. It is actually necessary good that Adam was commanded to do before sin entered the world. And Adam and Eve were placed, as we've said many times, in a garden, not in a jungle. A garden is orderly and it needs cultivation. The jungle runs amok. And you see this distortion in progressive policy, specifically in environmental policy, that nature in the name of preservation is actually neglected. And human needs in the name of preserving nature are also neglected. We see this, for example, that California doesn't allow much needed irrigation of many crops in middle California to protect this tiny fish called the delta smelt, which is basically instinct anyway, by the way. And then we also see them, for example they won't clear brush in many of the forests to try to preserve nature. And that just accelerates the fires which end up hurting nature and again, also end up hurting the people in California. And we see very similar policies in the state of Hawaii. And that is because they distort or ignore this creation order that human beings are actually meant to subdue the earth, not the other way around. It is not that human beings are to submit to all of the forces of nature. We are meant to subdue the earth as a creation mandate because we are made in God's image. But if you fast forward to Romans 1 and you see that when you worship the creature rather than the Creator who is blessed forever, Amen, you end up distorting everything. Everything ends up being backwards. Not just when it comes to gender, not just when it comes to sexuality, not just when it comes to other forms of morality, as we see all in Romans 1. But also you start to elevate nature above the God who created it. And when you do that, everything just gets out of whack. You start allowing environmental policy to run the show at the. To the detriment of the people who are actually supposed to be subduing and cultivating the earth and. And nature. And when you let what is supposed to be a garden turn into a jungle, then people suffer, and actually nature suffers as well. And so that was another thought about the theological errors of progressivism, which then leads to really bad policy. Okay, last thought. Most serious thought. There are buts everywhere, okay? When you go to the beach, you cannot walk two feet without seeing someone's full butt out, okay? Now, I am not. I promise I am not like the modesty police. I do not think a woman's body is something to be shamed. I don't think that someone needs to cover themselves in burqa, okay? I don't think the shape of a woman's body is something that has to be hidden at all costs. And so I think, to a degree, I've done an episode on this. You can go back and listen to all my specifications on it. To a degree, modesty is subjective, but I think we can draw the line at butts, right? Like, I think we can just say, maybe you shouldn't wear a thong to the beach. I want to create. I want a shirt or a sweatshirt that says, I don't consent to seeing your butt, and I'm going to wear it to the gym, and I'm going to wear it to the beach. And I just. I wish that we, as a Society could just draw the line somewhere, but we've basically said no lines. All shame is bad, all rules are bad, all expectations of decency are bad and stigmatizing and marginalizing, and therefore we should just be rid of them. Stigma and shame are important to the preservation of any society. Okay, to a degree. And we can decide on what needs to be stigmatized and what needs to be shamed. If you don't have those two things, you actually end up living in a nanny tyrannical state. Because instead of people being guided by societal norms and stigma and shame, like their own personal structures for morality, you have to have the government come in and mandate everything. Actually, stigma and shame were hard fought by our ancestors. They stigmatized and shamed things that were bad for society and bad for you, like premarital sex that would then lead to babies outside of wedlock, which is really bad for women and children. They fought to stigmatize and shame those things for the betterment of future generations. And now we're basically saying none of those things matter. Throw caution to the wind again to our detriment. Okay, so those are all of my thoughts. I saved them all for you, collected them in my notes app to deliver them on relatable. That's the benefit to having a podcast. All of your errant thoughts. You can just deliver them and hope that someone cares about them. All right, let's get into more serious stuff that we are talking about today. Let me pause and tell you about our first sponsor. It's good ranchers, y' all. We missed our good ranchers while we were in Hawaii. We had amazing fresh fish there. It was awesome. But we rely on our good ranchers every night in this ducky home. And I'm so glad that we get to do that because we've got a freezer full of all American meat. And I never have to wonder what is going to be my protein for dinner. I've always got better than organic chicken. I've got my favorite, the wagyu ground beef. I've got all different kinds of seafood and everything is from American farms and ranches. That's really important to me because this is industry which really has served as the backbone of the American economy for so long. It's been decimated by terrible regulations and it's really hard for these American farms and ranches to compete with the cheaper meat that's being imported from abroad, which is not as good as American meat. So if you want to support good Ranchers, an American Christian family owned company that supports American farms and ranches. Then you need to subscribe. When you do, go to goodranchers.com Alli you will get a free add on to your box for the lifetime of your subscription. You can use code ally for $40 off. Great Father's Day gift by the way. Go to good ranchers.com code ally okay, I went kind of a long time without doing an ad, so I might have to put some of these ads together. Some of y' all like to complain when I do that, so I'm just giving you a heads up. All right. I want to talk about Phil Robertson. Phil Robertson, gosh, just one of my favorite people in public life. He Very SA sadly died at the age of 79. Just, just yesterday I got the text and I believe that he passed away yesterday morning. And I say it's very sad, but it's really not sad for Phil Robertson. If you know anything about him, the patriarch of the Duck Dynasty family, you know that he wanted nothing more than to know Jesus and to make Jesus known. And he lived the entirety of his Christian life after becoming a Christian as an adult, sharing the gospel with others. And he did that on my show. He did that in every episode of his podcast that he hosted with Jace and Al. He did that through the Duck Dynasty show. And so I just want to talk a little bit about his life and honor him and also hope that sharing this bit about his life inspires you to live like him and to share the gospel as earnestly and as urgently as he did. So he died after battling. So it was actually on Sunday. I think I said he died yesterday, but he died on Sunday after battling Alzheimer's disease, other health conditions. We did an episode just a few weeks ago with Jason Al, two of his sons who really just talked about his legacy, also talked about his diagnoses. I really encourage you to go back and to listen to or watch that episode. Jason Al are just incredible. They're so easy to listen to. I just got to sit back and listen to them talk about their dad that they love so much. It was really, really encouraging. Go back, watch that video episode. His daughter in law, Corey Robertson, that's Willie's wife, announced his death on Instagram. Said we celebrate today that our father, husband and grandfather, Phil Robertson is now with the Lord. He reminded us often of the words of Paul, you do not grieve like those who have no hope. For we believe that Jesus died and rose again. And so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. In fact, I Saw that Sadie Robertson, his granddaughter, Sadie Robertson Hoff posted a video of him saying this, paraphrasing saying, when I die, don't cry. And I'm sure that there will be lots of tears for his earthly passing from his family. Because of course you miss him. You miss his presence, you miss his wisdom. This is someone that you've known, obviously his kids their whole lives. But as grandkids, you miss that presence in your life. I still think about my grandmother who died over five years ago now. Oh, it'll be six years ago this fall. I think about her almost every day when I was traveling to Hawaii. I thought about how much she loved to travel and what she would think about all of our adventures. And so you don't stop thinking about them, you don't stop missing their presence, even though you know that they are so much more satisfied than we could ever comprehend here on Earth. And so be praying for his family as they are going through this morning process. But the point is, is that as Christians, we don't mourn as those who don't have hope. We don't mourn as those who believe that their loved ones are lost forever. At the same time, we also don't believe, as many in the world do, that our loved ones become angels or that heaven gained another angel. No, we don't believe that. In fact, the Bible says that angels long to see what we get to see. They don't even know all of the things that we know. They know different things than we do. And there's a special plan for human beings, and that is redemption through Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ alone. And Phil Robertson was such a, such an example of that redemption that people can, that people can give or that people can receive from Jesus. He founded the Duck Commander hunting company in 1972. That of course, became the foundation for the family's television fame. I don't know if you guys grew up watching Duck Dynasty. I loved Duck Dynasty because it was a reality TV show that was actually wholesome. All of the other reality TV shows that you would watch on E were all about, you know, sex, scandal, getting drunk, gossip, all different kinds of stupid drama. And this was different because this was a family who was praying at the end of every episode. And they were funny and it was light hearted. And so it gave you that, that most people are looking for when they're watching reality tv. But there was, was something really profound. There, there was true, there were true familial ties. They actually loved each other. You saw marriages that were strong. Most Marriages that are depicted on tv, especially reality tv, the wife is making the husband look stupid, and you've got a bunch of weak, cowardly husbands and dads or absent dads. You didn't see that here. And they were unashamed of. Of their faith. He got in some hot water. Phil Robertson did. In December 2013, there was national firestorm after he made comments condemning homosexuality. There was a GQ magazine interview also, if you know anything about Phil Robertson, he never, from, at least last time I talked to him, had never logged on to the Internet, ever. I'm not just talking about social media. He had never logged on to the Internet. And so when he did this interview with GQ and then he got all of this backlash, I'm sure he had no idea really like what people were saying or how it was circulating online, or at least he didn't know from reading it himself. So he said in the interview, he said this discussing his biblical view on the progression of sexual sin. He said, you start with homosexual behavior and it just morphs out from there. Bestiality. Sleeping around with this woman and that. That woman and that woman and those men. Phil explained that he didn't understand why a woman wouldn't be more desirable to a man than another man. He said, she's got more to offer. I mean, come on, dudes, you know what I'm saying? But hey, sin, it's not logical, my man. It's just not logical. That's just such Phil Robertson language. And obviously he's exactly right. So he said this in the interview. GQ printed it. People got upset. The network Annie Society suspended Phil Robertson indefinitely on December 18, 2013, stating that his remarks didn't reflect company values. They said, we are extremely disappointed to have read Phil Robertson's comments in gq, which are based on his own personal beliefs and are not reflected in the series Duck Dynasty. His personal views in no way reflect those of A E networks who have always been strong supporters and champions of the LGBT community. My goodness, that was 12 years ago. And that silliness was already happening. The entire Robertson family stood behind Phil, issuing a statement suggesting they wouldn't continue filming without him prioritizing faith and family over their television careers. Robertson. Phil Robertson refused to retract or apologize for his biblical worldview, maintaining his Christian convictions despite his professional consequences. I don't know this for sure, but I guarantee there were executives from A E. There were probably publicists, all different kinds of people in that world, telling him, hey, just apologize if you want to believe that personally that's fine, but just say you're sorry. Make a donation. We'll cover it up. And he refused to do that, which is absolutely no surprise to me. But he said this is what he said in his statement, and this is just. It just is. So, Phil Robertson. I myself, am a product of the 60s. I centered my life around sex, drugs, and rock and roll until I hit rock bottom and accepted Jesus as my savior. My mission today is to go forth and tell people about why I. And also what the Bible teaches. And part of that teaching is that women and men are meant to be together. However, I would never want to treat anyone with disrespect just because they're different from me. We are created by the Almighty, and like him, I love all of humanity. We would all be better off if we loved God and loved each other. Okay, so that was a great statement. He shared the gospel instead of apologizing. All Christians would do well to follow that example. A and E lifted. This is a suspension. Resumed filming with the entire Robertson family, of course, because the tr. The show was extremely successful. And money talks not to the Robertson family. Money talks to Annie. And they saw, okay, this is really successful. And if they are not willing to film without Phil Robertson while, then we're gonna lose a lot of money. And I'm sure I'm just assuming that that's probably the thinking on a part. And so good for Phil Robertson for Standing Strong. He also shared the gospel with Trump, and I love the story of him sharing the gospel with Trump. And so I'll share that in just a second. Let me pause and tell you about our next sponsor. It's We Heart Nutrition. I love We Heart Nutrition. I use all of their supplements every day. Their magnesium, their iron supplement, which has been huge for me because I've typically been on the anemic side. Not anymore. Because all of We Heart Nutrition's products, all of their ingredients, come in the most bioavailable form. That means your body is actually going to absorb the nutrients in them. If you're taking the time to take all of these supplements, reminding yourself every day, then you want to make sure that your body is actually using what you are taking. And I know that for sure. When I'm taking my We Heart Nutrition supplements, I take their multivitamin. I take their Omega 3s. I've also been taking for several weeks. And I can tell you for sure now, this has made a positive difference for me. Their. Their Wholesome Balance. Their Wholesome Balance supplement. So this is for women's hormones specifically. They've got saffron, ginger, curcumin, ki B vitamins. This helps alleviate PMS symptoms and cramps. If you're pregnant, you're fighting off morning sickness. This can be helpful for you. If you're menopause and you are looking to try to balance your hormones naturally, then you need to try this wholesome balance product. I think it has really helped balance my own hormones and has given me the nutrients that I need to feel even better. Go to We Heart Nutrition.com use code ALLY for 20 off your order. That's We Heart Nutrition.com code ALLY so you've probably heard Phil on my show talk about sharing the gospel with Trump. But if you go back and you watch that episode with Jason Al that we did a few weeks ago, a few months ago, you'll hear him tell the story. I just reshared that clip on my on my Instagram page and on X as well. And it's just really, really sweet. He he shared with Charisma magazine about this. He's talking about meeting Donald Trump in 2016. He wrote a written diagram of the gospel. He said, I get back in there. There's Trump and his little entourage. And Robertson said, I knew I didn't have but 15 minutes, so whatever I did, I had to make it quick. But rather than ask Trump for a favor or a favor, exchange pleasantries. This is according to Charisma Magazine. Robertson recalled thinking, I've got to get the gospel to him in a hurry. So here he is talking about that on my show, episode 592.
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C
I said, there's a cross. After that, Trump, I said, there's a cross. Jesus died on the cross. I see. I said, for the sins of the world. I said, you do have sins, don't you?
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Allie Beth Stuckey
What did he say?
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C
And he said, a lot of them. I said, me too. So I told him. I said, I have a lot, too. I said, they put him in a tomb. I said, trump, whatever happens, I said, we're the same age. We are identical age. I said, we don't have that long. We're in our 70s. I said, Trump, we're going to die and you're going to go six feet under. And so am I, right? He said, no doubt about it. I said, he was resurrected from the dead. I said, you can live beyond the grave. I said, it's the greatest thing that ever happened for the human race.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
You can go watch all of episode 592 where he explains that entire story. Just like, really sweet. That was the second time he was on my show, episode 95. So within the first 100 episodes, I think I was pregnant for the first time during this conversation. And he was just so sweet, so down to earth. The first time I met him, here he is talking about what the gospel brings at salt.
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D
One life, peace of mind, no guilt. Sins are removed. Whoa, man. Peace of mind on planet Earth. And you know you're going to be raised from the dead. That's not the end of you. You'll live on. God says, it's impossible for me to lie. And since there's no bigger one to swear by than me, I'm going to swear by myself. I will deliver you from your sin, and I will give you eternal life. It's impossible for me to lie. I'm telling you I'm going to do that. And he said, keep that as an anchor for your soul, because you have hope. Hope is an anchor for our soul. So I'm looking at the world. I love them, even the ones that curse me and all that. I don't hold it against them, not at all.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
Oh, so good. I also remember I've heard this story a couple times, but I was, like, very pregnant there. You couldn't see me in that clip, but I think I was, like, eight months pregnant or something. And he didn't say anything about it. And at that point, you're very used to people pointing out that you are pregnant. He didn't say anything. And the next time I talked to him, he said something about. He was like, I didn't want to say anything. And he talked about a time that he went up to a family member. He had a bunch of family members over, and he went up to one of the female family members and said, well, I didn't know you were expecting, and she wasn't expecting. And so he never asks, he never asked again if someone is pregnant because he made the mistake one time. I mean, he had the comedic timing of any amazing comedian and just the earnest heart of an evangelist. And I know that he will be missed so much by his friends and by his family, but I just rejoice knowing that he is exactly where he wants to be. All right, we've got a couple other stories that we're gonna get into. We'll make it into, like, one story to close out the podcast and pop culture stuff. Some good news in pop culture, which isn't always the case. Let me go ahead. I know we just did an ad, but let me go ahead and pause and do our next ad. So we can make sure that we get in all of our amazing sponsors. This is one of my very favorites. It's Adele Natural Cosmetics. After I posted some of my pictures from Hawaii, I had a lot of people, so many of you messaged me and say, what is your skincare routine? Well, first of all, thank you. I am very flattered by that sweet message. But I'll tell you, it's not a secret. I will not gatekeep. It is Adele Natural Cosmetics. I use it every day. One of you said you're such an expressive person like I am, and yet your. Your forehead looks smooth. Well, I guess it's Adele because they keep my skin so moisturized. I use their moisturizing cleanser every day and I use their. Their spray every day. Their moisturizing spray. I love all of their products. When I'm not in the studio, I use their moisturizing foundation, their blush, their bronzer. It just goes on so smoothly. It really does make your skin feel so fresh and clean. Everything is completely natural. All holistic ingredients. No synthetic fragrances or crazy chemicals that are going to disrupt your endocrine system or clog your pores. Plus, it's a Christian family owned company. They handcraft all of their products in Texas and it's just amazing. Go to adelenaturalcosmetics.com use code ally. For 25 off, go to adelenaturalcosmetics dot com code ally. Okay, Bri, we're gonna talk about Demi Lovato, right? Yeah, Demi Lovato. Okay. I remember a few years ago, didn't she have. Didn't people talk about her having an alter ego named Poot? You don't remember that?
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Bree
I love the lore of Poot. I know everything about.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
You do? Oh, yes.
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Bree
But it's not to clarify, it's not really an alter ego. There's just an edited photo. But we gotta put it up because people just made.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
Just made it up, right? Yeah. Was this after she started calling herself non binary and stuff?
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Bree
I think this was an old photo. I don't think it has anything to do with that.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
Okay. I don't know anything about the lore of Poot.
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Bree
I'm surprised you know about Poot.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
Poot Leviathan. I just. I think it's stuck in my memory because it's so bizarre.
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Bree
Yep.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
It's so weird. And people are probably wondering, well, what are you talking about? It's basically an old video or an old picture of her just looking completely different. And like, people joke that this is her alter ego.
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Bree
It's like A red carpet from a weird angle. Someone used like an iPhone on a red carpet when a flash is going off. So it's really like distorted. But also that Poot Lovato photo actually is edited, so it wasn't even Poot.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
Lovato with the whole name is really funny. Yeah. Okay, so. So she decided a few years ago. Right. Tell me a little bit about her trajectory that she was going to be non binary. Right. She cut her hair, she looked very different. She had looked like more of just like a Katy Perry. Normal looking. I don't know how you would describe that pop star. Yeah. And then she. Both her and Katy Perry came out with lesbian songs.
- [39:36]
Bree
Yes.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
Yes. Cool. For the summer was Demi. Right. And I kissed a girl and I liked it a little bit more on the nose. Yep. From Katy Perry. But then Demi Lovato just ended up embracing a non binary identity. Right.
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Bree
Yeah. And she has been so. She has struggled with a lot of things since her time on Disney. I think that Nickelodeon to Disney messes up a lot of kids. But she went. She had a severe eating disorder, she had a drug addiction. So she was going through like a lot of that stuff and probably not getting proper treatment for it either. And so I think that manifests a lot of that manifested probably in this ultimately. This is just me speculating.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
Yeah. So like Amanda Bynes, who really has not bounced back from everything that she went through and we talked about that Nickelodeon documentary and her upbringing was so disturbing and she was victimized in a lot of ways. It kind of makes sense how she's ended up a lot of these child stars as we've talked about.
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Bree
Yeah. And I think Demi Lovato also for a while was dating someone who's a lot older than her. So. Yeah, I don't.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
There's probably.
- [40:47]
Bree
Yeah, there's probably a lot that went on. But yeah, in 2021 she decided to come out as non binary.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
Should we play that clip?
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Bree
Yeah.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
Okay, here's thought three.
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E
I want to take this moment to share something very personal with you. Over the past year and a half, I've been doing some healing and self reflective work. And through this work I've had the revelation that I identify as non binary. With that said, I'll officially be changing my pronouns to they them. I feel that this best represents the fluidity I feel in my gender expression and allows me to feel most authentic and true to the person I both know I am and still am discovering.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
I don't know even what it means because you're not you're not neither. You're not both. You're not the other. You're just one. Not they. It's. I think they is the most narcissistic choice that people can make because you are not only trying to bend reality and defy biology, but you are also bending the laws of grammar. Right. You. It's just you only use they in a story for singular use when you do not know if the person is male or female. Not when you know and you're denying it. No one looks at that picture. Just because you got bangs doesn't mean you look like a boy.
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Bree
Now, that's the thing I was about to say was really all it took was, like, a short haircut and her to wear, like, a baggy shirt. And she was like, oh, yeah, no, I'm sometimes a guy. I feel it now.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
Now, oh, my gosh. It's funny, but it's not funny. It's very sad. Okay. So a year later, according to Rolling Stone, she shared that she was also using she her pronouns, saying that she was feeling more feminine. Okay. She elaborated in an interview with GQ Hype Spain. What is GQ Hype Spain? I don't know. Published in June 2023. That in reality, using both she, her, and they them pronouns just meant she didn't have to constantly explain herself to people. I constantly had to educ people and why I identified with those pronouns, they, them. It was absolutely exhausting. And that is one of the reasons that have led me to also feel comfortable with the feminine pronoun. I just got tired. But for that very reason, I know that it is important to continue spreading the word. I mean, isn't that part like, that's kind of what I mean in the narcissism of it, at least she got to the point to where she was like, I'm tired of forcing people to defy reality. Yeah.
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Bree
Yeah. Well, it really. I mean, it's pretty. It's pretty evident why, you know, I'm. I got tired of. Of it all. So now I feel comfortable as a female again.
- [43:32]
Allie Beth Stuckey
Yeah.
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Bree
What?
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Allie Beth Stuckey
Yeah, I thought, how. How can you feel comfortable as something that you're not doing? You're not gonna change either. You're a they them. You're a non binary. Yeah, yeah. It just goes to show that it's a social thing. It's not some, like, inner soul knowledge. Demi Lovato seems to have gone through a time of soul searching after her mat. Okay, so we kind of already talked about that a little bit. Okay. So she had Some other weird things going on at the same time, right? Yeah. She sang to a ghost to help it overcome trauma.
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Bree
Yeah. Demi Lovato ghost hunting phase. Yes.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
Okay. Okay, this is around the same time, right? Right?
- [44:18]
Bree
Yeah.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
Okay, let's just play the clip. Stop. 4.
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E
Are there star people here right now?
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C
There you go.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
You got your answer.
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C
Holy.
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E
She has trauma.
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C
She does.
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Bree
Okay, how do you know?
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E
And that's why she doesn't like men. If I sing you a song, can my friends come back in the room? Do you have to make me feel like there's nothing left of me?
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Allie Beth Stuckey
Okay, so the ghost. This is like the girl who was using those like, like water things the other day that was asking demons about transgender people. This is very similar to that. Okay, so the ghost has trauma. That's why she doesn't trust men. What does that tell you about yourself, Demi? Okay, Truly, what does that tell you about yourself? All right, so that's just what she was going through at the time. It's good to look back and see clusters of events like that because it's like, okay, that's not a natural phenomenon that's happening in her life. That is something. She's reacting to something by doing all of this at the same time. It's kind of look like when we look at like the mid-1800s and you see a bunch of weird religion started at that time. Yeah, it's probably not because they're all true. Like, it's probably because something weird was happening and people were coming up with weird stuff. This was like the mid-1800s of Demi Lovato's life. Okay. So also after Donald Trump became president, she said, she posted if you are trans or non binary. Like me. Like me. She said. Okay, so she's still that way. Please know that I see you, I feel you, yada, yada, yada. Okay, but here is our non binary queen. Now look at full screen 5. This is what she now looks like. I can't tell if she's a boy or a girl, can you?
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Bree
Not at all.
- [46:37]
Allie Beth Stuckey
No.
- [46:38]
Bree
Non binary queen.
- [46:39]
Allie Beth Stuckey
Non binary, yeah. Oh, yeah. Not queen. I don't know. Joker.
- [46:45]
Bree
Neutral royalty.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
Okay. If you were just listening to this, you don't know what we're talking about. Demi Lovato looks absolutely gorgeous in her wedding photo. This is. I mean, she looks amazing. So she just got married to Jordan Lutes. I don't know anything about him. What is he? Is he songwriter or something? I don't know. We don't really know who he is. Okay. She just got Married to him. She looks beauty full in a very traditional wedding dress. She looks like she's gotten very fit. This is what, what, what the people would say, what the they themselves would call heteronormative. She looks the heteronormative in this picture. And so the question is, is we are talking about this trajectory. Has Demi Lovato made it back to normal? Now, her Instagram account says she her they, them. Still I await the day that she removes the they them. She said that she just loved the silhouette. She loved this design. Yes, because there is a reason that women are drawn to the feminine. She's drawn to the feminine, she's drawn to the like, dare I say, normal. And I think this is a very good trajectory for her. Now, obviously we want her to come to know the gospel and know Jesus Christ and know redemption and know the grace through faith salvation that she can find in Jesus Christ. Obviously that's what we want for her. But we rejoice in someone's life looking more like God's order, looking more like Genesis 1:27. Because something that the whole gender bending idea does, it doesn't just distort or it just doesn't just deny biology, it also distorts beauty. And it makes very beautiful people, it tries to make them ugly. And all beauty is God's beauty, all truth is God's truth. So I think the fact that she seems to be veering towards the truth and veering towards true beauty is actually a really good indication and we should continue to pray for her. Sure. But I've seen this kind of trajectory, it seems like among a lot of people. I mean, you see this kind of evolution on TikTok a lot, especially over the past few years. There is a shift, I think happening and I do think it is less cool than ever to try to identify as something that you are not. And so let's just hope that this is a trajectory that we see across the board. It would alleviate a lot of, of pain, save a lot of bodies and stop a lot of heartbreak, soul crushing heartbreak from happening if people would very simply acknowledge biological reality and align with beauty, which beauty and reality go hand in hand. All right, I got one more encouraging note to end on and we'll get brief thoughts on this. But let me tell you about our last sponsor for the day and that is Patriot Mobile. Patriot Mobile is America's only Christian conservative wireless provider. They are fighting for all of the things that we care about. Faith, family, freedom. They are the real deal. But they've also got cutting edge technology. Switching is really easy when it comes to Patriot Mobile. You don't have to go to this store and try to switch your phone over. There's no hassle. In fact, you can keep your number, you can keep your phone or you can upgrade your phone, but they're 100% US based team can activate you in minutes right over the phone. Patriot Mobile is one of the few carriers with access to all three major US networks. That means exceptional nationwide coverage. Plus they can even put a second number on a different network on one phone. It's like carrying two phones in one. Go to patriotmobile.com alli you can use code Ali for a free month of service. That's patriotmobile.com alicodealy okay. Two celebrities that are also, I think, on a good journey, at least when it comes to one part of their life and that is motherhood. As we talked about in the beginning. Motherhood, parenting, marriage, all of these things really have the ability to change you and profound and positive ways. And Haley Bieber and Jennifer Lawrence have both made comments about motherhood recently that I find really encouraging and very true. Now, Hailey Bieber, I see her all over the timeline right now. People talking about her marriage with Justin Bieber and we won't even get into all of that. I find a lot of it sad what he posted about her Vogue cover. Did you see that? It was strange, y' all. Yep, it was very strange. She made the COVID of Vogue and Justin Bieber posted about it and his caption was like, one time I told her she'd never be on the COVID of Vogue. That was really mean. Yeah, yikes. Yeah, maybe just congrats.
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Bree
Yep.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
Would have been good. He changed the caption. But now there's so much conversation about, like, what their marriage is like. I don't know what their marriage is like, but it does sound like she is really enjoying motherhood. She just had a baby a few months ago and I loved hearing about that. So she was on the COVID of Vogue May 20 and she talks about how motherhood really changed her body. And that's hard for any woman, but especially when your body is commercialized. The way that hers is, the way she makes money off of her body, I imagine that that would be even more difficult for her. She says, my hips are. My hips are wider. My body didn't go back to the way it was. And she says, great, I'll take it, but it's not the same body that it was before. She says that she's had to go through physical Therapy to help heal after. She also says that she went through a life threatening post postpartum hemorrhage after giving birth to her son. She almost died, but she says she doesn't regret a thing. She definitely wants at least one more baby, maybe more. Gosh, the sacrifice of the body and of the mind that goes into just birthing the child, not even counting all the stuff that happens after the child. It's really something you really start to give less of in f. She says about so many things, my son is my priority. He is the most important thing to me. It's so true how parenthood gives you such a needed perspective shift. She also describes motherhood as a transformative teacher. It's been my biggest teacher so far, the biggest teacher in my relationship. Just like marriage, motherhood sanctifies you and it reveals things about your own sin and selfishness and just your own shortcomings that you didn't see before. But it also gives you the strength to address these things in a very unique way. She says rather than straining her relationships, motherhood has deepened her partnerships and relationships. You see your partner so differently and I think you empathize with your parents a lot more. That is absolutely true. That's absolutely true. And again, that's another reason why it's so important to have children so that you can gain a better perspective of what the older generations went through. And so it just gives you an understanding of all different kinds of generations actually, which is important. It so good for her. We need more positive publicity about motherhood. Most of toxic mommy culture online is what I've been calling it for several years now. That is moms commodifying. Complaining about their kids and talking about how burdensome motherhood is. That's not cool, it's not cute, it's not funny. And there's one you know, you could be vulnerable. You can share the struggles that you're having. I think there's a way to do that Brat. And to try to relate to other mothers without talking about your kids as if they're brats and burdens instead of what they are, which is a blessing. We've also got Jennifer Lawrence, another progressive. I would absolutely say that Haley Bieber is progressive. I know some people have said she identifies as a Christian, but she has publicly supported Planned Parenthood very recently. I don't know where she is in her walk, but by every indication that we see publicly, she is a secular progressive. And so I hope that motherhood changes that. It has the tendency to do that for a Lot of people. Jennifer Lawrence, definitely pro abortion, progressive, and yet she said something really important recently about having kids. She has two kids, and here's what she had to say. Stop. 5.
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F
Having children changes everything. It changes your whole life. It's brutal and incredible. I didn't know that I could feel so much. And my job has a lot to do with emotion. And they've opened up the world to me. So they've changed my life, obviously for the best, and they've changed me creatively. I highly recommend having kids if you want to be an actor.
- [56:00]
Allie Beth Stuckey
I'm so glad that she recognizes that and that she feels that so deeply. So deeply. It's so true. It opens up different chambers of your emotions and of your heart. And God, absolutely, as we've talked about so many times, can use you and sanctify you and strengthen you no matter what stage of life you're in. But we can acknowledge that, while also acknowledging this gift of children and, and parenting, that not only are they a gift in and of themselves because they're little image bearers of God, but they are gifts in what God can do through them, in us. And even if these women aren't, you know, where we want them to be spiritually, I think for all three of them that we just discussed, they seem to be pointed in the right direction and we should be praying for them as well. As we pray for everyone to know Christ. And let us also be motivated specifically by Phil Robertson legacy and the urgency of sharing the gospel with. With everyone, especially those in our lives. Think of someone who maybe just became a new mom and is especially vulnerable to hearing the truth of who God is and who her true father is. Maybe that's someone in your life that you should specifically be sharing the gospel with and praying for. All right, that's all we've got time for today. We will be back here tomorrow. Sam.