Ep 1228 | She Helped AOC Win. Now She’s Exposing Zohran Mamdani & Climate Activism | Lucy Biggers

Summary

Podcast Summary: Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey – Ep 1228 | She Helped AOC Win. Now She’s Exposing Zohran Mamdani & Climate Activism | Lucy Biggers

Release Date: August 8, 2025

In episode 1228 of Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey, hosted by Allie Beth Stuckey from the Blaze Podcast Network, former climate change activist and social media editor Lucy Biggers shares her journey from a passionate climate influencer to a vocal critic of the current climate movement. This episode delves deep into her transformation, the pitfalls she observed within activist circles, and her perspectives on contemporary political figures and policies.

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1. Lucy Biggers' Background and Rise as a Climate Influencer

Lucy Biggers begins by outlining her career trajectory, emphasizing her initial passion for progressive causes:

"I'm Lucy Biggers. I'm the social media editor at the Free Press. I also write for them a bit. And I'm a former climate influencer, former sort of lefty social justice warrior who has had a political evolution since becoming a mom." [02:20]

Working at NowThis News during the peak of Bernie Sanders' popularity, Lucy immersed herself in progressive journalism, eventually becoming one of the first to interview Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (AOC). Her coverage extended to significant events like the Standing Rock protests, where her content garnered millions of views.

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2. Experience at NowThis and the Emergence of Groupthink

Lucy reflects on the internal dynamics of her newsroom, highlighting the prevalent "oppressor versus oppressed" mentality that stifled diverse viewpoints:

"If you're white privileged, like, you're an oppressor, like, that was sort of like a theme in the newsroom." [05:08]

She discusses how this environment led to self-censorship, with individuals, including herself, suppressing their authentic opinions to align with the group's expectations.

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3. Transformation: From Activism to Critique

The turning point in Lucy's journey began with witnessing the aftermath of the Standing Rock protests. Despite her initial pride in promoting the movement, she later recognized its underlying hypocrisies:

"I decided not to do it because I didn't want to sully the positive narrative that I had put onto the movement. And ultimately, I think it cost the town... it was a lot of trash." [10:23]

This realization sparked her critical stance against what she perceives as the climate movement's shift from genuine environmentalism to destructive activism.

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4. Personal Changes: Marriage, Motherhood, and Shifting Perspectives

Lucy discusses how major life events influenced her beliefs. Her marriage in September 2019 and the birth of her son in March 2022 prompted her to reassess her views on consumption and environmental anxiety:

"I have to, I need to let it go. And I get it. Cause people are now like, you just don't care anymore. And I'm like, no, I just think that it's fine." [28:15]

These personal milestones helped her move away from extreme guilt over consumption, fostering a more balanced approach to environmental stewardship.

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5. Critique of the Climate Movement

A significant portion of the discussion centers on Lucy's critiques of the current climate movement:

• Anti-Human Sentiment: Lucy argues that the movement has become anti-human, demonizing modern conveniences and civilization itself.

  "They hate the west, they hate America. And it's really a protesting movement more than an environmental movement." [10:25]

• Ineffective Solutions: She criticizes proposed solutions like wind and solar energy for their environmental impacts and reliance on fossil fuels for their production.

  "They have sort of sacred held beliefs and it's like wind and solar are perfect. They even vilify nuclear, they fight nuclear plants. When I think that that's a really promising technology." [19:05]

• Virtue Signaling and Hypocrisy: Lucy highlights the disconnect between activists' rhetoric and their actions, pointing out instances like Leonardo DiCaprio's private jet usage despite advocating for environmentalism.

  "They are the ones who are going to all this stuff and creating these movements... it's all virtue signaling and a weird again like this myth of like the noble savage." [49:33]

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6. Critique of Political Figures and Policies

Lucy offers pointed critiques of progressive politicians, focusing on Zohran Mamdani, the Democratic mayoral candidate for New York City. She argues that well-meaning leftist policies often backfire, citing the Affordable Housing Act of 2019:

"They capped the amount you could raise rent on rent controlled apartments to just 2%. ... there are tens of thousands of empty rent controlled apartments in New York City right now because the landlords cannot put $100,000 or $60,000 into an apartment to bring up to code and only charge $400 a month." [47:22]

She emphasizes the unintended consequences of such regulations, leading to housing shortages and increased absentee landlords.

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7. Advice for Conservatives and Progressives

Lucy provides tailored advice for both conservatives skeptical of environmentalism and progressives entrenched in climate activism:

• For Conservatives: She encourages responsibility through simple acts like littering prevention.

  "Start there. I like when it comes to like your consumption and stuff, I really do think that humans are so industrious and so good at coming up with problem solving." [32:19]

• For Progressives: She urges a shift from guilt to gratitude, recognizing the advancements brought by civilization and technology.

  "Bringing in that perspective of, hey, we're not in late stage capitalism, 10 years away from dying, but look at these facts, look at how good we have it compared to our ancestors." [34:33]

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8. Future of Climate Change and Socialism

Discussing the trajectory of climate change activism intertwined with socialist ideologies, Lucy expresses skepticism about the movement's sustainability and effectiveness:

"I think that the mindset we were discussing of people feeling just guilty for being alive and having the shame and walking around feeling horrible being a human, I feel like that that's so pervasive in our culture." [53:59]

She observes that while climate change as a focal point may have peaked, the underlying guilt and anti-human sentiments continue to influence societal perspectives.

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9. Conclusion and Further Engagement

In closing, Allie Beth Stuckey thanks Lucy for her openness and encourages listeners to engage with her content across various platforms for more insights.

"I think that alone will just help a lot of people think more critically about what they believe. So thank you so much." [54:43]

Lucy provides her social media handles and promotes her work at the Free Press, inviting listeners to follow her for continued commentary.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps:

• "I was almost at the beginning lines of it because I worked in a very liberal newsroom in the 20 teens." [05:10]
• "Sometimes I feel overwhelmed by climate change, but instead of being hopeless, I'm going to be proactive..." [14:32]
• "We have a fossil free future, but it will probably just be a new technology that we don't even know about yet." [32:19]
• "Have you started covering climate change? Was that something that you were genuinely interested in?" [06:57]

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Key Takeaways:

• Evolution of Beliefs: Personal life changes can significantly impact one's ideological stance.
• Critique of Movements: Even well-intentioned movements like climate activism can develop internal issues like groupthink and hypocrisy.
• Balanced Stewardship: Advocacy for environmental care should balance human progress with conservation, avoiding extremist positions.
• Policy Implications: Progressive policies, while aiming to tackle issues like housing affordability, can have unintended negative consequences.

This episode offers a candid look into the complexities of activism, personal transformation, and the ongoing debate surrounding environmental stewardship and political policies.

Transcript

[Ali Stuckey]

Lucy Biggers was a climate change activist and influencer for the Progressive outlet. Now this. She even helped produce a video that helped AOC win her first election in 2018. But after the events of 2020, after getting married and starting a family, her entire mentality about politics and specifically climate change has changed fundamentally. She is here today to talk about her transformation and myths that are propagated by the climate movement and by the socialists of our day. This episode is brought to you by our friends at Good Ranchers American Meat delivered right to your front door. When you go to good ranchers.com ally and use my code ally, you get $40 off your subscription. That's good ranchers.com ally code alley. Before we get into that conversation, want to remind you of two things. Please subscribe to our channel across all platforms. You might think that you subscribe on YouTube because maybe you watch my videos every day, but you might not subscribe. But if you subscribe, it helps us out a lot. So subscribe on Spotify, Apple Podcasts as well. You should also subscribe to Blazetv.com because that's you where where we give you exclusive content that you're not getting for free on Spotify and Apple and YouTube. We've got a parenting special with two parenting experts, very seasoned mothers, and they are the host of the podcast Mind of a Child. I love them. Such sweet Christian ladies. We are talking about all the controversial parenting questions like spanking and discipline and all that good stuff. So go to blazetv.com ally when you use my code Ally you can, you will get 10%, I think 10% off of your subscription. And this will be, this special will be available August 8th, by the way, but you'll also get access to all of our subscriber exclusive content. So that's blazetv.com Alli all right, let's get started. Lucy, thanks so much for taking the time to join us. Could you tell everyone who you are and what you do? Yeah.

[Lucy Biggers]

I'm Lucy Biggers. I'm the social media editor at the Free Press. I also write for them a bit. And I'm a former climate influencer, former sort of lefty social justice warrior who has had a political evolution since becoming a mom. And that's the reason that I get asked on a podcast like this.

[Ali Stuckey]

Yes, you wrote an article and I saw the article and I just love hearing about people changing their mind and everything that went into that. And before we get into that transformative season of your life, can we go back to how you became a Climate influencer.

[Lucy Biggers]

Yeah. So I have worked in the news since I graduated college in 2012. I was at a local news station in Mississippi right out of college. And then I moved to New York and I found myself at this really cool progressive news startup called now this News. And it was the height of sort of Bernie mania.

[Ali Stuckey]

Yeah.

[Lucy Biggers]

And coming off of, you know, the Obama years, I guess I was just sort of primed to fall into that progressive mindset. It was sort of just the. The default in my newsroom. And I, you know, coming from, you know, a small town in Mississippi where I had worked, it was so cool to have all these young people that were my age from, you know, different racial backgrounds and really interesting people. And the only thing that wasn't diverse about us was our mindsets about politics. So it was just an easy thing to fall into and basically went from, like, being a Bernie Bro girl to being one of the first people to ever interview AOC when she was coming up in New York. And so I have been part of the movement in those 20 teen years where it was really emerging. And then that my beat when I was at nowthis became covering the climate movement. And I say climate influencer because I was really an activist in a newsroom, covering it for, like, sort of like a megaphone for the climate movement. I didn't really look at my coverage very critically. And so over Those, like, it's 2015 to 2021 was my time there, and that's really where I was, like, very, very left, just based on working in a very progressive, like, newsroom.

[Ali Stuckey]

Yeah.

[Lucy Biggers]

I think it was just, like an easy thing to fall into.

[Ali Stuckey]

So you say you fell into it. Does that mean that you were not raised progressive?

[Lucy Biggers]

Yeah, so I grew up in Connecticut. My parents were like, Bush Republicans, I guess. I think I was. I was in the Young Republicans club in high school, actually.

[Ali Stuckey]

Okay.

[Lucy Biggers]

But, you know, you kind of grew up. You know, I wasn't examining my beliefs then, you know, so you just kind of, or whatever. And then I think for me, what happened was that at the same time that I was becoming left, it was this oppressor versus oppressed mindset that we talk about a lot now where, like, it was like, oh, if you're white privileged, like, you're an oppressor, like, that was sort of like a theme in the newsroom.

[Ali Stuckey]

Do you think that you started learning that in college?

[Lucy Biggers]

No, I didn't, because I was after that. I feel like in 2015 is when it took off and I was already in this Newsroom. And so I've described this before. It's like, it started off, we all wanted free college and free health care and, like, less inequality. And then all of a sudden, a few years in, it was like, oh, well, if you're white, you should not speak because you are an oppressor. You don't realize that you're racist. And so everything you're saying is going to come off as racist. So that ideology, as a young person who doesn't have a good foundation of what I actually believe, just kind of going along to get along. If people are telling me, like, I'm secretly racist and, like, I should just be quiet, I'm obviously going to do that because I want to be a good person and I respect my colleagues and their perspectives. And there is something to be said for listening to people of different backgrounds and honoring their point of view. I think that's really healthy. But what happened where I was working was it took it to, like, a more negative level. And so basically, after working there for six years, it was sort of like I had no idea what I actually believed because I spent six years just censoring myself to get approval from the group. And it manifested in just how I covered the climate change movement not very critically or all these different protests at the time and social justice stuff. It was sort of just the beginning of what we kind of saw Peak in 2020. But I was almost at the beginning lines of it because I worked in a very liberal newsroom in the 20 teens. I almost saw it first, I guess, and, yeah, just not having that internal belief structure. And like, now that I have kids, I'm like, oh, my God. I have to, like, really inoculate them against this because it's so easy to fall into this, like, empathy trap, which I was reading your book on the way here and. And you talk about this a lot where it's like, well, meaning people who have big hearts can very easily become susceptible to stuff that doesn't really want the best for our society.

[Ali Stuckey]

How did you start covering climate change? Was that something that you were genuinely interested in, or was now this like, oh, like, you're our cute young girl in the newsroom. We need someone to cover this. So here you go.

[Lucy Biggers]

It was actually something I was genuinely interested in. And I love, like, positive stories. And I think how it started was covering, you know, the vegetable startup that's selling you bruised fruit to save it because it would otherwise go in the trash or like a reusable cup brand or whatever sort of positive little Things and then covering ocean plastic pollution, which we all know about now, is a big issue. I was covering that in 2015, and then it was covering Standing Rock. And basically, you know, I was really, really online, I think a lot. Like, now this is, like, so taken for granted, but you have to think about the 20 teens. Like, we didn't really know what the algorithms were doing to our minds. And so I was online and how we published all of our content was through Facebook, through the Facebook news feed and videos. And so I was not only creating content, I was consuming content. And that was just spinning up my algorithm. And then it became more about protesting and Standing Rock and going there.

[Ali Stuckey]

Sorry, and what's Standing Rock?

[Lucy Biggers]

So Standing Rock was a big protest in 2016 against the Dakota Access Pipeline in North Dakota.

[Ali Stuckey]

Oh, okay, now I'm remembering this.

[Lucy Biggers]

I can't tell what's, like, household like, words or not. Like, I don't know. I say it as if everyone knows. But that was a big protest that happened right between when Trump got elected but Obama was still president.

[Ali Stuckey]

Yes.

[Lucy Biggers]

It was December of 2016.

[Ali Stuckey]

Yeah.

[Lucy Biggers]

So I covered that for now. This and the videos that I made of that protest for, like, six months during 2016, got, like, tens of millions of views because we were just really ahead of what we now take for granted, which is, like, virality and really short clips, subtitles. Like, really to the point you don't really get the whole story. Like, we know about it now, but at the time, it was very new.

[Ali Stuckey]

Right.

[Lucy Biggers]

And I kind of was just following my interests. And also the algorithm was then feeding it back to me.

[Ali Stuckey]

Yeah, okay. That was the Dakota Access Pipeline and all of the protests. I remember there being some conservative coverage of the aftermath of that, that it looked like the protesters who were like, this is sacred land, Native Americans trying to say, we've gotta protect this. That there was a bunch of trash. Right. Did you see that at the time? Did that ever give you pause of like, hmm, is this is in good faith? Is I making it seem like it is?

[Lucy Biggers]

You hit the nail on the head. Cause actually, my first piece that I wrote at the Free Press. Cause I'm not an editorial at the Free Press. I run the social media. But if you have an idea, you can, like, get it published. So my first piece I ever pitched was, like, I covered Standing Rock. I helped it go viral, and now I regret it. And the kicker of that article at the end is when I got home from Standing Rock and I saw a video of the trash, and I thought, should I Make this video for our audience and cover that trash was left behind. And I decided not to do it because I didn't want to sully the positive narrative that I had put onto the movement. And ultimately, I think it cost the town. It was 48 million. I mix up the numbers. It was, I think, 48 million pounds of trash that cost the town like a million dollars to clean up or, I don't know, don't quote me on that. Which way is it? But it was a lot of trash.

[Ali Stuckey]

A lot of trash and a lot of money.

[Lucy Biggers]

And it was hypocritical. And like, I think that is what I call out now where, you know, I have now kind of come out of the ideological closet, you could say, in the last few months, calling out the climate movement. And that was like the first seed that was planted. Although I did not think about it really critically for years and really acknowledge it. That climate movement doesn't really care about the environment. They like to protest and they really hate human industry, you know, civilization. They hate the west, they hate America. And it's really a protesting movement more than an environmental movement.

[Ali Stuckey]

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[Lucy Biggers]

So I can only speak from my experience, and I feel like I am emotionally intelligent. So I'm reading the room and trying to just fit in with the group. And on top of that, we had Slack, which, you know, is like a messaging service that everybody uses in the office. And I think that really made it worse because you could see what everybody believe by, like, the memes that they're sharing or the people who. Someone's getting canceled on Twitter that week, and it's getting. They're getting, you know, put up in our Slack channel and dragged by everyone in the newsroom, and you're going, oh, okay, so now saying that thing is not allowed. Now thinking this is not allowed. So it's not like it was over your head and saying, don't act this way. Like, it was not like. And I was friends with all my friends. It was just sort of a slow spiral of silence where I stopped listening to my own internal critical thinking voice and my authentic opinions and started putting the beliefs of the group ahead of myself to fit in with the group.

[Ali Stuckey]

Yeah. Okay, let's play this clip so people can see you in action when you were on now this discussing climate change. No, it's sweet. There's nothing wrong with it. You did a good job. Here's thought 1.

[Lucy Biggers]

Sometimes I feel overwhelmed by climate change, but instead of being hopeless, I'm going to be proactive and figure out how I Can live more sustainably from single use plastics. I've committed to give up single use plastic for the entire month of I got my sandwiches, no plastic involved to composting. I'm on a mission to find out how my old food gets turned into compost to clothing recycling and more. I'm excited to explore how to live a more responsible life.

[Ali Stuckey]

Okay, so this is 2019 and I see what you mean that this is. That clip is not political necessarily. You're trying to make this into a positive story. So you were there for a while as someone who was on this beat even after you covered that protest in 2016.

[Lucy Biggers]

Yeah, so that protest in 2016 really kicked off this becoming my beat. And again, my personality is. I'm very positive and I'm always looking for like a positive angle. So like my series was positive, but the like mainstream movement at that time and the culture, you know, the social media groups I was interacting with and stuff, were becoming very politicized. But I sort of carved out a non political space within the movement, if that makes sense. Because that just felt the most authentic to me and. But what I realized later is I didn't cover all these topics the most honestly. For example, just like single use plastic. Focusing on, you know, Upper East Siders of Manhattan, not using a straw isn't really as important as getting, you know, waste infrastructure in places like Guatemala and just sort of misplacing where the solutions could actually come from and do it and bringing it back onto the individual in the west where we have good waste infrastructure and putting it on us to like solve all of climate change because we have sort of some guilt just by living the modern life that we have. So that was sort of the underlying perspective or I guess like motivation was like, I have this guilt, I live this modern life so I have to make content that sort of atones for it.

[Ali Stuckey]

Yeah, that's so interesting. Did you have climate anxiety during this time? Like you say that you were positive, but did you believe this idea that the world is going to end in 10 years that, you know, Greta Thunberg and other people have propagated?

[Lucy Biggers]

I definitely had that. I think it would like flare up during different times. You know, you'd see a wildfire or a hurricane and you'd get really scared and go, oh God, this is happening. You know, or different films would come out. Like Leonardo DiCaprio had a film in 2015 like before the Flood, which now I feel like was just a projection from him. But it was really scary, you know, and watching that and just being like, oh, God, like, we really have 10 years left. But obviously to function in the world, you're not gonna be anxious every single second of the day. But, like, my mental, like, landscape was like, I have 10 years. And I think at one point, probably my earlier 20s, being like, well, I can't have kids, you know, or just, like, feeling guilty of, like, I got married during this time. Like, what would my wedding be like? Can I have, like, a wedding? Because it's consumption. And just putting everything through this lens of a lot of guilt for just basically living, you know, a life in America in 20. In the 20 teens. Yeah, it was just really a drag on my energy, I guess, as a person. And I think one of the criticisms I get now is like, oh, well, you just gave up. Your anxiety is so bad that you just don't care anymore. And I'm like, no, that's not. The thing is, I think we should always protect the environment. And I think that climate change is happening to some degree and we can adapt to it. But right now, the way the movement pushes its plans of, you know, just like, covering the countryside and windmills or all these things are kind of distractions away from the things that we could actually really make an impact on, whether it's cleaning up litter or adaptability to climate change, et cetera. So I guess it's important for me to say, like, I still really do care about the environment, but it's more maybe, like, in a conservation way than what I see the climate movement pushing now, which makes no sense.

[Ali Stuckey]

Yeah, I've learned a lot about just the. The other side of what looks like trying to protect the environment. Like the windmills that you talked about. It takes fossil fuels to create those. Not that I think fossil fuels are bad, but that's something that climate activists say. But it takes fossil fuels to build them, and then there's really no way to discard them. It's not like they're biodegradable. They just enter into these landfills. And by the way, we're relying on China, I know, to create these windmills, import them over here also. They're bad for the air and for the birds. And, like, so many things. And I feel like so many proposed solutions that come from the progressive side when it comes to climate change actually just make things. Makes things worse.

[Lucy Biggers]

Yes.

[Ali Stuckey]

And makes us devolve as a civilization without a big upside for the environment. Which is strange, because I assume that a lot of people in the movement are similar to you and that they really care they really do care and they really do want to help the Earth in all of that. And yet they're not open to other capitalistic, free market, creative solutions to actually helping the Earth.

[Lucy Biggers]

Yeah, they have sort of sacred held beliefs and it's like wind and solar are perfect. They even vilify nuclear, they fight nuclear plants. When I think that that's a really promising technology. And it's so frustrating to see, see a movement that directs all of its energy and its capital and its attention towards solutions that don't work and like you're saying, have huge environmental impacts versus all the things that you just said as well, like actually how can capitalism solve this or how can we get creative? Like what actually will solve the problem? That's what I'm really interested in. And that's also just why I had to speak out. Because I was like, I'm not gonna be on my 89, I'm not gonna be 110 on my deathbed and thinking, you know, having regrets that I didn't speak out because I was afraid of backlash. I was like, I just have to start saying what I've observed and hopefully from that other people will resonate.

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[Lucy Biggers]

Yes, definitely. Yeah. So I met AOC in 2017, right before she won the primary in 2018, that June. We're the same age, we're the same like class. So we were, you know, in our late 20s. And I really was taking with her. I think she's very charismatic and she comes off very authentic to me. And we hit it off at this small event and that I was at that was for Democrats running to take back the House after Trump had gotten elected. And so, yeah, it was a no brainer for me to cover her story for now this. And it got, I think it got like 10 million views within like a week. And so that was 2018. And then, you know, Covid happened. 2020. I started working from home and then I had my first still for now this. Yes, I worked for now this till 2021.

[Ali Stuckey]

And when did you get married?

[Lucy Biggers]

2019.

[Ali Stuckey]

Okay.

[Lucy Biggers]

Yeah, September 2019. And I was still very much in it going into my wedding. Like my wedding was like, sustainable. I tried to like have less waste, which is nothing wrong with that. Like totally do that. But I don't know, I just always felt like it was a little bit out of alignment for me. Like I felt really, like exhausted around the content that I would make. It felt very forced. Like even like coming here today and talking. I'm like, oh, I'm just gonna talk from my authentic self. It's not. It's energizing versus exhausting. And when I would go on my trips and I interviewed Greta Thunberg in Sweden and stuff, like, I was so exhausted because it felt like fake and I couldn't fully go there and really say what I believed because I was still really in this mindset of like, you have to act and talk a certain way. And it was all kind of connected, whether it's the climate movement or sort of this ideology that I had absorbed from my old job. Yeah. Just was like a very out of alignment.

[Ali Stuckey]

Like, well, it's never enough. Like it seems like in the climate movement, like, it's never enough. There's always more to do.

[Lucy Biggers]

Right.

[Ali Stuckey]

And the timeline of when the world is going to end keeps shifting and it's just a big weight on your shoulders. One thing that I notice about it, and I'm interested to know if this like played into your shift at all is it just feels very anti human. Anything that is good or more convenient for humans and is automatically seen as bad and the population is a problem. Like, that's what I See, in the climate change movement, a lot is like, the population is the problem. If we just had 90% fewer people, then life would be good. And I'm like, well, that's a really sad and pessimistic mentality of the human race.

[Lucy Biggers]

Yeah, I mean, I couldn't agree more. And there's also this sort of. What's the word? Fetishizing of ancient humans where you're like, oh, the hunter gatherers.

[Ali Stuckey]

And now Native Americans were so peaceful. It was peaceful scalping. It was good. Like, no, definitely a demonization of civilization.

[Lucy Biggers]

Yeah, exactly. And that was again, like, when I go back to saying, like, I have a positive personality, like, my natural disposition is to be optimistic. So that is where, like, the rubber started. Hit the road. Cause I was like, my natural character is positive about the human condition. Like, I like. And now I'm so happy to be like, I love civilization, like, I love capitalism. But, yeah, so it was really hard. And I think it also took sort of a turn because when I covered it in 2016, there was a. There's religious undertones here, but there was a poster that said, standing Rock awakens the world that I posed with. And I felt really, like, positive. Like, I'm on the right side of history. There was a Native American, you know, legend that you would. They would fight this black snake after seven generations. And then we were at the seventh generation. There was all these symbolisms around religion. So I was like, oh, I'm on the right side of history. And then, like, over the years, it became what you're saying, where it was like, no climate, justice without justice. And you're like, wait, what are we talking about? Like, we've lost the plot. Like, I thought we're trying to clean up pollution. And now it's like, we've gotta break down capitalism in America and, like, restructure society from the ground up. And I'm like, wait, I don't subscribe. And then I just. I honestly just like, just kind of got. Went quieter. I stopped posting a lot, especially, like, over Covid, and I just didn't say what I believed and I kept quiet. And I thought maybe I was gonna keep quiet for my entire life because I didn't want to get the backlash. But, like, the internal frustrations and second guessings were growing. And almost like, I would present one thing to my audience now. This is like 20 teens. And then like, oh, maybe over a glass of wine with, like, a trusted friend, I'd be like, well, actually, you know, single use plastic has a lower carbon Footprint than plastic. You know, it's like I knew that it was more complicated, but I was so afraid to wade into it because of just the backlash from like, the following I had built and my co workers in the culture.

[Ali Stuckey]

What was it about getting married that started to shift your mind even more?

[Lucy Biggers]

So I think it was that time at home, away from. So I got married September 2019, was only six months later. Even, like going on my honeymoon and like feeling anxious like on my honeymoon, you know, like, it's just like sort of starting to realize that my climate perspective was interacting in a negative way with my, like, outside of work life, where I couldn't even like, enjoy my honeymoon because I was like, oh, I should be at the climate protest that's happening right now instead of like in France on my honeymoon. So there was that and then going through Covid it was. So there was two things that really started to make me go, wait a minute, what's going on here? One was the outrolling of ppe. And all of a sudden you had plastic barriers between every restaurant table and every office desk. And you had people wearing disposable masks every single day and throwing them out. And I'm like, I have been guilting myself about a plastic straw for the last five years and I've now used more plastic in a day than I ever have. And also, like, we're completely fine. We can deal with it. And in a lot of ways I didn't know at the time, and we maybe will never really know how much these things were really helping, but I was like, it's saving lives. So like, plastic has a positive side to it. And it kind of broke me out of my black and white thinking about plastic. And then with the world shutting down and you know, they have these emissions charts that are like, up, up. And it was like, went down by like 2% or whatever it was. And I'm like, wait a minute, the world has been shut down now for weeks. The entire world. We cannot go outside, no one's flying, and we're only limiting our carbon emissions by 5% or whatever it was. What does the climate movement want from us? Because ultimately, to achieve climate net zero, whatever people throw around, we would have to end civilization. And I don't think that that's a good trade off. Like, I'd rather live with some climate change and adapt to it and have our modern lives and modern conveniences than shut down the world and live like in a cave, like caveman times.

[Ali Stuckey]

Yeah.

[Lucy Biggers]

So, yeah, that was that. And then Obviously you have kids and I feel like it just totally foundationally changes. You had my son in March of 2022. And I'm like, first of all, I'm gonna be using single use diapers, I'm gonna be single use wives. You kind of have to just be selfish cause you're so exhausted. And I don't want my son to absorb from me any pathologies around consumption as a modern human. I think it's sort of a weird again going back to this like religious undertones. It's like this feeling of original sin where it's like, oh, you were born in 2025 and like you use single use. I was just like, this is dumb. I don't want him to feel this way. So I need to let it go. And I get it. Cause people are now like, you just don't care. And I'm like, no, I just think that it's fine. We have the infrastructure to deal with this stuff. It's okay to consume. And I had this sort of zero sum fear based relationship to consumption that I literally thought it was world ending. I would feel guilty every time I'd throw something out and all that. And I was just like, I gotta let this go.

[Ali Stuckey]

Yeah. So obviously you got over this fear of having children that you said that you had when you were worried that the world was going to end. What was that like? I'm sure that your husband had something to do with that and saying, okay, like we're gonna have kids.

[Lucy Biggers]

Yeah. I wouldn't say I was ever like adamantly like I'm never gonna have kids. It was like more like moments where I would think about it and I would be anxious about it. I never like took a strong stance, but it was definitely like in my internal world it would be like a belief that I would have at any given time. But I think my husband is not like political and like he doesn't, yeah, you know, care about this type of stuff. He's just more steady. And so he's just a grounding force for me that like I'm like over here like thinking about every single thing. And he's just like, it's good, it's fine. Yeah, it's fine. And you know, I just think you just building your own life and like having sort of the world that is your family is such a perspective giving thing where you realize like this is your domain to and put your values onto your kids and create the world that you want them to live in within like the four doors of your home. And so I just had to be very mindful of like what was I bringing into that space for them.

[Ali Stuckey]

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[Lucy Biggers]

Yeah.

[Ali Stuckey]

And then my second question is, what would you tell the progressive climate change fanatic to shake them out of their stupor? So we'll start with like, what is something true about the environment and how we can actually care for it?

[Lucy Biggers]

Yeah. I think the simplest thing, it's so basic. We've known this for decades is honestly, I think like litter, like it sounds so like. But it's like the Nancy Reagan. Like I think her campaign was like, don't litter or whatever. I think just cleaning up after yourself, you know, leaving like if you're going somewhere in nature and never leaving anything behind, like, I still really subscribe to those things. That's so basic. And you know, start there. I like when it comes to like your consumption and stuff, I really do think that humans are so industrious and so good at coming up with problem solving. So I think we will have a fossil free future, but it will probably just be a new technology that we don't even know about yet. So I wouldn't worry about it. And just, you know, live your best life. Be grateful for what you have, that we have all these modern conveniences. Yeah. And for the other person, it's so tough. And I was actually talking to someone yesterday and she was like, oh my gosh, I love your content. I've lost a friend to the climate movement. They, she, this girl went to college in Maine and just doesn't wanna have kids. Now thinks that like in this, this really culty clan movement that she was in, they suggest like suicide. Like it's like really bad. So there are people out there who are really, really radicalized. I don't think people really understand the mindset. I was never that bad. But I think it goes back to perspective, historical perspective of how grateful we should be. Human life used to be toil and short and you would die young because of just how unsafe it was. It was. And now thanks to the technology of fossil fuels, we can have, you know, a beautiful set like this and conversations like this under lights and technology and we live such amazing lives that kings even in the 1700s would not have lived as good as us. And so I think bringing in that perspective of, hey, we're not in late stage capitalism, 10 years away from dying, but look at these facts, look at how good we have it compared to our ancestors. Even for women, I think realizing in areas that don't have access to fossil fuels, five hours a day could be spent collecting dung and wood to cook for your family. Fuel collection is how they spend, like that's their job, 40 hours a week.

[Ali Stuckey]

Yeah.

[Lucy Biggers]

So just bringing in that and maybe shifting some of this guilt into gratitude I think goes so far.

[Ali Stuckey]

Yeah.

[Lucy Biggers]

And just having that perspective.

[Ali Stuckey]

Yeah, yeah. You mentioned the religious undertones and I see that so much that it really is almost like a pagan religion. It seems to me that those who are all in on climate change or trying to fight climate change, like stewardship of creation, that's what I would say that we are called to. We are called to care for, you know, the world around us. Treat it really good, leave it better than we found it. All of that try not to waste. I think that's probably just good responsible living anyway. But it goes from stewardship to worship. And I think that when you have this mentality shift from, okay, I am a steward of the world around me I'm going to care for it. I'm going to do the best that I possibly can to cultivate it, to make it beautiful and good and healthy and productive for my neighbors. That's a human first mentality, that is saying, I am a caretaker of the world around me versus a worshiper of the world around me. In which basically you believe that you have to submit to all of the elements and that the world in nature and animals are actually more important than humans. And I don't know if you're a Christian, but it really goes all the way back to the very beginning when God made Adam and Eve. The first task that he gave Adam was to work. He had to name the animals and he had to work the ground. And to keep it, God put Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden, not a jungle. So a garden has to be tamed, it has to be cultivated. And Adam and Eve were given the responsibility to not only populate the earth, but. So that's one thing against the climate movement today, but also to care for it and to work it and to be in charge of it. There's actually like a dominion, authority aspect to it. And I see the exact opposite thing when it comes to climate change. Humans are bad. We are a debit in that we take away from all things good, that civilization has been a net negative for human beings, and that we just need to let the elements of the world be untamed and do as they will to us. I mean, it really. It's like, it's paganism. It's worshiping the creature rather than the creator.

[Lucy Biggers]

I mean, I. Everything that you're saying resonates with me so much. And it's not like when I started making content, I. I am. I was raised Episcopalian, so I am religious, but sort of in a cultural way. But as I'm making this content more. Like, so many of the themes that you're mentioning resonate with me so much. It's almost like a discovery. Like, as I was making more content on my TikTok and Instagram, I'm like, oh, here are these themes. And like, you anti human, like, feeling guilty for just being alive. Like, that is one thing that, like, why I feel, you know, you have your whys. Like, why am I making content? Why am I speaking out? And I'm like, I don't want people walking around feeling guilty for just being alive. And, you know, and like, in, like going back to this original sin where it's like, no, like, it's okay. Like, we were born into this society and like you're saying like, leave it better than you found it. Do your best. And another thing to think about with the climb movement, which I think is such a good point, is that they diminish all of nature's beauty. You know, we look in America, we have so many amazing blessings. All these national parks are just like so beautiful. And I think the healthy way to look at it is like you're saying, being a steward, honoring nature's beauty and like looking at it, whatever, the climate movement turns everything into a carbon emission. So it's no longer like, oh, look at this deer, it's beautiful, it grazes, it travels this way, it's. Well, its carbon emissions are this much, this many tons a year. And you see places in Europe where this has really taken hold more than here. We're lucky that it's not as bad where they're culling deer, they're culling reindeer, they're culling cows, cattle from generations old farms because of their methane emissions, not taking into account, oh, I don't know, maybe this land in Ireland has evolved alongside these cows. This is a 10th generation cow farmland. This is part of the Irish culture and heritage and it's so complex and so beautiful. And the climate movement comes along and they're like, these are the emissions and you need to kill a hundred thousand of them. And that truly happens in places, not luckily not in the US as much.

[Ali Stuckey]

But like the Dutch farmers. It's the Dutch farmers.

[Lucy Biggers]

It's so awful and I agree with you so much. It's like we've totally lost the plot and it's subverted all of like this goodwill of wanting to help the environment. And where we've landed is a really destructive movement that is anti human and anti, like anti the environment. Yeah, it's, it's so lost.

[Ali Stuckey]

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[Lucy Biggers]

And also I'm just like, if you're gonna fly around a private jet, just like, own it. I get a lot less annoyed at the Jeff Bezos of the world and Lauren Sanchez. I'm like, they're living it. They're having a good time. Versus Leo shows up at the wedding. And I'm like, come on, you've been lecturing us for years. You should have gone over in a canoe and arrived. Well, I also think it's so interesting. We talk about this a lot. When I was writing for the Free Press about my Standing Rock article is that Greta Thunberg now, who was a big, big climate activist, is now pro Palestine activist, saw that. And so it's.

[Ali Stuckey]

Didn't she try to sail there or something?

[Lucy Biggers]

She did. It was ridiculous. And she. It's an omni cause. Right. It's. It's just the anti human.

[Ali Stuckey]

Yeah.

[Lucy Biggers]

Anti civilization, anti west mindset moved from climate in the 2000 teens to now it's on to pro Palestine. And they have this weird fetishes. Fetishizing of Palestine where they're like, well, it would be sustainable if, like, if Israeli, Israel. Israel wasn't there. Like, it makes no sense. Like, it's truly like some crazy, yeah, like, pseudo religious take on what the Palestinian people would be like. And in the same way that it was with the Native Americans would be like. And so it's just this mindset's moving from one thing to the other. I feel like climate's kind of moved out of vogue. And also I feel like if I had really come out at the height of it in 2018, I would have had to be even braver than I am now because I think it would have been like, like really scary. I think like the wave crested on climate a bit and, and I, I wasn't brave enough to go out earlier, but. And now it's, it's moved on to its, its new cause. I'm so intrigued to see what the next thing will be.

[Ali Stuckey]

Yeah, I have, I have this small anecdote. So my husband and I, for our 10 year anniversary, we went to Hawaii. And there is a culture, I think the people who live in Hawaii can tell you this, among a lot of the natives there, of like anti colonialist and even anti white. And the mentality is, you know, like we've had this land or generations have had this land for so long. You know, tourists came in, Americans came in, they made it a state, they changed our culture, they made it, you know, commercialized and all of these things and hurt our environment. And obviously it's a very blue state, very progressive state and very pro fighting climate change through whatever government policy possible. Well, there is this cliff outside of our resort that my husband and I were going to jump off of. We went there that morning. We were the only ones there. We went back this after that afternoon and it was a public place and a bunch of locals were there. And we were appalled that in the two hours between when we were there this morning and no one was there and when we were there that afternoon when so many locals was there, how trashed it was. And like my husband and I were so careful, like we didn't want to leave anything. We didn't want it to seem like we weren't taking care of the place around us because we're the tourists that people don't like. But there was soggy pizza, there was trash, there were cans. I mean everywhere. I'm not saying, oh well, this is what everyone in Hawaii is like. I just think it reminds me a lot of standing rock. And we see this kind of thing a lot. It's like, is it really a love for your land, a love for the environment, a love for your culture? Or is it just anti civilization, anti white people, anti the oppressor who is not really oppressing you.

[Lucy Biggers]

Right.

[Ali Stuckey]

Is it just progressive ideology and you're using the cl as a virtuous seeming excuse?

[Lucy Biggers]

Yes, I think you're 100% right. And I think that the college educated, ironically white person is the one. They are the ones who are going to all this stuff and creating these movements. Like they're the ones who pushed the standing rock Thing like there were some Native American activists who started it, but it really got taken on by like the college educated like white elite that we see that now has moved on to pro Palestine. And so it's all virtue signaling and a weird again like this myth of like the noble savage. Like, like it's so messed up to say, but it's like all these college educated kids who are like, oh my culture's horrible. But like this culture, I'm gonna put you on a pedestal. And it's actually really like degrading and put looks down on the culture and it's not really like respectful and sort of twisted. Yeah, but yeah, it's a lot of lost young people looking for meaning, I think.

[Ali Stuckey]

Okay, so you've weighed in on the Mamdani. Is that how you pronounce his last name? Yes.

[Lucy Biggers]

Zoran Mamdani?

[Ali Stuckey]

Yes. Okay, so if people don't know he is the Democratic mayoral candidate for New York City, he has an out and out socialist. And this is not us just deducing that he has said that he is a socialist. He has advocated adamantly and persistently for defunding the police. But he won his primary against Cuomo and so he will probably win because a Republican probably won't win the mayoral race city. And Cuomo I think maybe is still running. Yeah, but you've had some commentary on him. So what do you think?

[Lucy Biggers]

Yeah, so I actually did a video from my car, you know, classic, you know, the front seat think piece on an impulse right after he won. And I just said, guys, I'm telling you, if I were 25, I would have loved Zo Run Momdani. When I was 26, I loved AOC. And then I just explained my anecdote on this. I think really like hammers at home, is that these well meaning leftist policies really are. The road to hell is paved with good intentions and end up creating the problem that, that they're trying to avoid. And in New York actually it was a law that Cuomo signed into law in 2019. It's called the Affordable Housing act or something of 2019 where they capped the amount you could raise rent on rent controlled apartments to just 2%. And the idea, you know, the well meaning Democrats in the State House are like, we've got a, you know, these pesky landlords, they're so greedy, they're raising the rent on these rent controlled apartments. Problem is these rent controlled apartments could be have the same owner, same tenant for since the 1970s. Right. So people are in these rent controlled apartments for 50 years. 40 years, yeah. They don't really let the landlord in. They completely, by the time someone's leaving apartment after 40 years, they're holes basically. Or not even that. They just have all the old appliances, you have to bring them up to code. And the original rent from 1970 was $400.

[Ali Stuckey]

Yeah.

[Lucy Biggers]

So if you raised 2%, that would be in 2025, $408 on an apartment that needs $100,000 in renovations to get it up to 2025 codes. So what's happened is that now since this law has been in effect now for five or six years, there are tens of thousands of empty rent controlled apartments in New York City right now because the landlords cannot put $100,000 or $60,000 into an apartment to bring up to code and only charge $400 a month.

[Ali Stuckey]

Right.

[Lucy Biggers]

So now we have this huge housing shortage in New York City and everyone's blaming on the left, they're saying the capital sd, these greedy landlords and they're so living in like projection because a lot of these landlords are going to be maybe they own a building, they're first generation immigrants, they own a building, they own two buildings. And when you hurt them with over regulation, you know who comes in and buys up these apartments is the blackrocks is the big capital capitalist, you know, bad guys that they're so afraid of. And so I'm trying to explain to people like you guys, these left policies that are really regulatory end up creating the monster that you don't want to have there. Whether it's the housing shortage or these big behemoth real estate businesses that you feel aren't connected to the person and can abuse the system, which is a real problem. Yeah. And so yeah, I just use like you guys roadhouse paid with good intentions, like I promise you like and basically saying like we need less taxes, we need less government in our life, we need more room for innovation, for human flourishing because. Because individuals are the ones who can create the capital that creates all the amazing things that we have here in the US and when the government gets involved and over regulates, you have this show that we see in New York and luckily New York, it's such a big economy and it's still under the weight of all these bad policies, still going, but it's just so hard to see it. It's like a slow fall, it's like a slow moving car crash. And I think he's gonna win because I think he has all the energy, he has the right smile and, and he's a Nepo baby to be like clear, you know that, right? Like he was just in Uganda for his wedding.

[Ali Stuckey]

Yeah.

[Lucy Biggers]

And you know, New York Post always has the best commentary. And they're like, oh yeah, it actually was really sad. Sorry. Like, I'm not to make light of this, but there was a shooting in New York yesterday.

[Ali Stuckey]

Yeah.

[Lucy Biggers]

And he commented on it and someone's like, wow, I'm really glad you're after all your years of defunding the police and you're commenting behind armed guards in Uganda on this devastation that happened. Like, why don't you have social workers guarding your wedding?

[Ali Stuckey]

Right.

[Lucy Biggers]

Like, like, yeah. He's just such a hypocrite.

[Ali Stuckey]

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[Lucy Biggers]

No, exactly.

[Ali Stuckey]

You know, I'm saying own it. Don't post a video of yourself eating like whatever it is with your hands. Which was disgusting, by the way. So many reasons why that's wrong. But to try to cosplay as an.

[Lucy Biggers]

Oppressed poor person, it annoys me so much.

[Ali Stuckey]

Come on.

[Lucy Biggers]

And I think the thing is, I try to say this because people on my account, they're like, you don't care anymore. You've given up. And I'm like, no, you don't understand. I actually do care. We all want the same things, right? We want to see less inequality, we want to see less poverty. I want to see more people able to live the American dream and prosper and flourish and follow their dreams. I just think that the way we get there is different than what the snake oil salesman. That's Mamdani is. He's selling a bill of goods that does not work. And everywhere socialism is tried. It is a civilization ruining practice. And talk to the people who are children of immigrants from Cuba, Venezuela, ussr. This experiment goes all over the world and never ends well. And I want people to be more successful in life. And we realize that socialism is not the problem. And it just, there's like so much misunderstanding, I think from the group think that I left where they project onto me, like, well, you don't care because you're not pushing socialism. And I'm like, no, I do care, but socialism doesn't work. It makes people's lives worse. And so that's a huge another thing. I'm trying to speak out and be like, guys, we all want the same things, but we're just thinking we get there a different way.

[Ali Stuckey]

Yeah. So what do you think that progressives like him and other progressives running for office over the next few years, what do you think they're gonna do with the climate change issue? Are they gonna let go of it? Is it. Has it officially crested and no one's gonna talk about it? Is it gonna be another wave? What do you think the future of that collision of socialism and climate change looks like?

[Lucy Biggers]

That's a great question. I looked at Mamdani's website with his policies, and it's not very climate change focused, which is honestly smart because working class people do not like climate change. Like, it is a very elite topic. I think the only thing on his website about it was making schools green or something like nothing that big. So I think that it has crested. Like I was a big green, New Deal person. Now I look back and I'm like, made no sense. Covered that a lot. And that was a big thing. And I think now people are realizing that creates an affordability crisis. It's not really connecting with people. And so the smart liberals that we're seeing, the AOCs and Mamdanis, are going back to the, you know, kitchen table issues and their ideas are very bad. But. But that's why they're getting success, like $30 minimum wage, like affordable groceries. Like they figured out that the climate is not selling. So I hope that it's passed. But I do think that the mindset we were discussing of people feeling just guilty for being alive and having the shame and walking around feeling horrible being a human, I feel like that that's so pervasive in our culture, even if it's not manifesting now in climate movement, if that makes sense.

[Ali Stuckey]

Yep, that does make sense. Okay. If people want to read more from you and hear more about your commentary, where can they go?

[Lucy Biggers]

Yeah. So I work for the Free Press so our website is the fp.com I run the social medias there. So if you ever message the social media on any of those accounts it probably will be me seeing it. But then my personal accounts on Instagram. I'm Lucy Biggers. TikTok I'm Lucy Biggers. The only thing I'm different on is is Twitter X I'm llbiggers but all the content is basically the same. Yeah, I'm on substack notes like you ought to be everywhere.

[Ali Stuckey]

Yeah, got it. Well, thank you so much Lucy and I really appreciate you being so open about your transformation and how you've changed your mind. I think that alone will just help a lot of people think more critically about what they believe. So thank you so much.

[Lucy Biggers]

Thank you for having me.

[Ali Stuckey]

Sam.