Ep 1296 | Uncovered: Our Enemies Are Fueling Anti-ICE Protests | Peter Schweizer

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Episode 1296 | “Uncovered: Our Enemies Are Fueling Anti-ICE Protests” | Guest: Peter Schweizer
Date: January 31, 2026
Host: Allie Beth Stuckey
Guest: Peter Schweizer, author of The Invisible Coup: How American Elites and Foreign Powers Use Immigration as a Weapon

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Episode Overview

This episode dives deep into the unsettling reality behind the recent anti-ICE protests in Minneapolis and other cities. Allie Beth Stuckey challenges prevailing media narratives and, with investigative journalist Peter Schweizer, uncovers how foreign actors—including the Chinese Communist Party, the Mexican government, and the Muslim Brotherhood—are orchestrating and fueling unrest in the United States through weaponized immigration. The conversation exposes ways these parties are manipulating progressive activism, stoking conflict, and destabilizing American society for their political gain.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Challenging Mainstream Narratives (00:01–12:40)

• Case Study: Alex Preddy

  • Described by mainstream media as a peaceful VA nurse killed unjustly by ICE in Minneapolis.
  • Allie presents new footage (January 13) showing Preddy aggressively agitating ICE agents and physically damaging a vehicle.
  • She emphasizes the necessity of waiting for complete information: "There are multiple camera angles, but we still don't know everything the officers saw and heard in that moment" (01:34).
  • Media used AI-enhanced images to portray Preddy as a “saintly” figure, further distorting public perception.
  • Quote: “If it is just to highlight injustice, then you don't have to tell this kind of lie.” (06:09, Allie)

• Critical Response to Emotional Manipulation

  • Allie calls for skepticism toward emotionally charged viral content. She lists four questions to ask whenever confronted with such stories (13:10):
    1. How do I know this to be true?
    2. Is there more context I’m not seeing?
    3. Is there an alternative explanation?
    4. What are the sources?

• Christian Perspective on Truth

  • Allie references 1 Corinthians 13:6: “Love never rejoices in wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth.”

2. Weaponization of Immigration: Interview with Peter Schweizer (17:09–50:13)

a. Foreign Orchestration Behind Protests

• Schweizer’s Thesis: Many anti-ICE and immigration enforcement protests are orchestrated by foreign actors, not organic grassroots movements.

• Mexican Government's Role (19:02):

  • Mexican officials living inside the U.S. coordinate protests, especially in major cities (e.g., LA riots 2025, Minneapolis).
  • Alejandro Robles, a high-ranking Mexican official, organized militant actions and claimed migrants are “at the forefront of civil resistance in America.”
  • Local groups (e.g., MIRAC in Minneapolis) collaborate closely with the Mexican consulate.

• Chinese Communist Party Influence (19:02):

  • Radical U.S.-based groups—Freedom Road Socialist Organization (FRSO), Party for Socialism and Liberation (PSL)—execute violent direct actions, are ideologically aligned, and sometimes funded (via Roy Singham, American billionaire in Shanghai) by the CCP.

• Quote: “The people that are really doing the direct action... are these foreign-involved or foreign-directed entities. And that’s what’s really going on here.” (21:50, Schweizer)

b. From Social Influence to Martyr-Making (22:31–24:48)

• Foreign organizations foster chaos to generate martyrs (e.g., Preddy), which “undermines American civilization.”
• Quote: “The sad reality is these hardcore activists... want martyrs. They want people that are getting shot and getting killed because it’s good for the cause.” (23:51, Schweizer)

c. Local Government Complicity & Statistics (26:41–32:56)

• Contrasts Texas’ orderly deportations (with law enforcement cooperation) to chaos in Minneapolis; local government support of radical action is key.

• Local resistance in blue states is motivated by the desire to maintain political power and federal funding, aided by increased population counts from immigrants (citizens and non-citizens) for Census apportionment.

• Quote: “They want illegals in their state for [political] reason. And if four congressmen doesn’t sound like a lot, consider the fact that illegals in California have more representation than people in 13 other U.S. states.” (31:22, Schweizer)

d. Religious Fraud and Political Manipulation (32:56–39:51)

• Muslim Brotherhood’s influence:

  • Encourages fraud as a “tax on non-Muslims” (per some radical imams).
  • Many mosques are run by foreign religious workers.
  • Activists advise new immigrants not to assimilate but instead to “shift this country’s political direction and spiritual direction together.”

• Specific CAIR (Council on American-Islamic Relations) leaders’ quotes openly admit political aims:

  • Quote: “We can never be full citizens... we try to influence American policy.” (36:55, Schweizer quoting National CAIR board member)

• Growing confidence in leveraging concentrated populations for primary election sweeps (e.g. New York’s Mudani election for Democratic nominee).

e. The ‘Red-Green Alliance’: Why Progressivism? (39:51–42:00)

• Odd alliance of Marxists and Islamist radicals, despite conflicting values, to “destroy the United States and Western civilization.”
• Quote: “It is a marriage of convenience. They are going to divide the spoils and then the Islamists are going to declare war on the progressives at that point in time.” (41:34, Schweizer)

f. Mass Chinese Birth Tourism and Surrogacy (44:28–48:08)

• China exploits U.S. birthright citizenship laws at an industrial scale.
• Key Facts:
  • ~100,000 Chinese babies born in the U.S. every year, return to China with U.S. citizenship.
  • At age 18, they can vote, donate to campaigns, and seek public employment.
  • Surrogacy industry: hundreds of agencies in Southern California advertise to Chinese elites; one Chinese billionaire reportedly has over 100 such children.
• Quote: “China has encouraged this… We’re looking at more than a million, according to the Chinese government… U.S. citizens who are being raised in China.” (46:14, Schweizer)

g. Potential Policy & Legal Responses (48:45–50:13)

• Schweizer met with Trump and key GOP Congressional figures to discuss findings. Expects legislative and judicial actions, including upcoming Senate testimony and influence on Supreme Court cases about birthright citizenship.

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

| Timestamp | Speaker | Quote / Moment | |---------------|-------------|-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 01:34 | Allie | “There are multiple camera angles, but we still don't know everything the officers saw and heard in that moment...” | | 06:09 | Allie | “If it is just to highlight injustice, then you don't have to tell this kind of lie.” | | 07:07 | Anna Navarro (via CNN) | “Alex Preddy is the guy you would want to date your daughter, the guy you'd want your son to grow up to be…” | | 13:10 | Allie | “Next time, before you react immediately, wait, ask a few questions…” – lists 4 critical questions for media literacy. | | 17:23 | Schweizer | “What's happening in Minneapolis is sort of a microcosm of a larger issue: the weaponization of immigration.” | | 21:50 | Schweizer | “The people that are really doing the direct action… are these foreign-involved or foreign-directed entities.” | | 23:51 | Schweizer | “The sad reality is these hardcore activists… want martyrs. They want people that are getting shot and getting killed…” | | 31:22 | Schweizer | “Illegals in California have more representation than people in 13 other U.S. states…” | | 36:55 | Schweizer (quoting CAIR) | “We can never be full citizens… we try to influence American policy.” | | 41:34 | Schweizer | “It is a marriage of convenience. They are going to divide the spoils and then the Islamists are going to declare war on the progressives…” | | 46:14 | Schweizer | “We’re looking at more than a million… U.S. citizens who are being raised in China.” | | 50:01 | Allie | “Peter, thank you so much. The Invisible Coup… is the book everyone needs to read right now to know what's really going on.” |

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Important Timestamps

• 00:01 – 12:40: Dissecting the Preddy case & media manipulation
• 13:10 – 17:09: Critical thinking tools for evaluating news/emotional stories
• 17:09 – 24:48: Schweizer interview starts – foreign orchestration of protests
• 24:48 – 32:56: Why some jurisdictions experience chaos, the political calculus
• 32:56 – 39:51: Religious fraud; Muslim Brotherhood’s U.S. political strategy
• 39:51 – 44:28: Red-Green alliance; Islamism and progressivism
• 44:28 – 48:08: Chinese birth tourism, surrogacy, birthright citizenship
• 48:45 – 50:13: Policy implications and concluding remarks

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Tone & Language

• Allie is incisive, energetic, and pointed in her critique of progressive media, but continually underscores the need for critical thinking and Christian discernment.
• Schweizer is calm, investigative, and methodical, offering detailed examples and direct quotes from his research.
• The discussion frequently references Christian values and American constitutional principles.

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Summary for Non-Listeners

This episode pulls back the curtain on today’s anti-ICE activism, arguing that it is not simply a spontaneous grassroots movement but is significantly shaped, funded, and fueled by hostile foreign entities. Using the case of Alex Preddy as a jumping-off point, Allie challenges media narratives and emotional manipulation, urging listeners to practice discernment. Peter Schweizer provides an in-depth look at how actors from the Mexican government, the Chinese Communist Party, and the Muslim Brotherhood are leveraging immigration-related chaos to undermine American law, shift political power, and ultimately destabilize the country for their own strategic benefit. Legal, political, and cultural implications are unpacked, and the conversation closes with a call to vigilance, faith, and action.

Transcript

[A]

Alex Preddy was the confirmation liberals needed to show the world that Trump is indeed Hitler and that fascists are killing their political opponents. But nothing is as it seems. Peter Schweitzer, the author of the book the Invisible Coup, reveals a stunning finding from his investigation. Many of the protests taking place all over the country right now are puppeteered by the Chinese Communist Party, the Muslim Brotherhood, and even the Mexican government. We've got all of that and much more in this eye openening episode of Relatable. Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Friday. Hope everyone is having a wonderful week so far. The episode or the interview that we're about to play for you is so incredibly mind blowing. But before we get into it, I want to give an update on what's going on in Minneapolis, specifically with Alex Preddy. Now, if you've been listening to the past couple of episodes, if you've been following on social media, you know who this man is. This was a man who was a VA nurse who was impeding a law enforcement operation with ice and he was tragically killed by ice. And there has been a lot of discussion and conflict surrounding what actually happened. Was this a justified shooting or not? I've gotten lots of pushback from some people for saying we still don't know all of facts surrounding what happened. And that is true. There are multiple camera angles, but we still don't know everything the officers saw and heard in that moment that may have met, may have made them feel like their life and other people's lives were at risk. So we're going to wait to see the results of those investigations. But one thing that we now know not to be true was that he was just a peaceful bystander. That is the caricature that we have seen described over the past several days by people in the media, by online activists to say that he was just standing there with his phone wanting to cause no problems at all and that he was completely, unjustifiably targeted by ice. We can have an issue with how his life was taken, but to paint that kind of picture we now know is just not true. So this footage was released from 11 days prior to Preddy losing his life. That seems to show. Preddy, we're saying, seems to show because while this has seemingly been verified by outlets like the BBC, I still can't see his full face. He's got the same sunglasses in hat on. But there are media outlets verifying that this is is in fact Alex Preddy. So here is this person agitating law enforcement very Aggressively days before he was killed. Let's play SOT3. This is a moment the news movement.

[B]

Filmed on January 13th in Minneapolis showing.

[A]

A man who appears to be Alex Preddy interacting with Federal immigration agents 11 days before border Patrol shot and killed him. We also know from a separate report that Alex Preddy had suffered a broken rib several days prior to. And it looks like if you watch the rest of this video, that that was probably from this interaction. After he kicks the tail light out of the vehicle of ice, one of the officers gets out and tackles him to the ground, which is justified, by the way. And that is probably where he got injured. But not only is he taunting law enforcement in this way, he is also blatantly saying, assault me. Here's Sat two. You. That's a straight. Okay, so this is why I say we just don't know all of the facts and the extenuating circumstances surrounding when he was killed. Obviously this had person had been very aggressively agitating ICE for several days. Did they have their eye on him knowing that he was a powder keg that could explode at any moment? Had they seen how he acted and how he spoke and the threats that he made for several days that made them think, okay, we've got to watch this guy because he is on edge. And we have a very good reason to believe that if armed he would harm us. And is there good reason to believe that they would be skeptical of someone who is carrying a gun with two extra magazines to a demonstration like this? Is there good reason for them to believe that he actually was a threat? Do you have the right to carry a gun? Yes, in a lawful way. He didn't have his license on him at the time. So that is unlawful in the state of Minnesota. But you do have a second amendment right to carry a gun. Do you have a first amendment right to protest? Yes, but this was not a protest. He wasn't protesting out there in the street. He was trying to impede, completely justified, invalid law enforcement operations. I still say there is a question of whether that specific shooting at that time was justified. But I'm not going to buy into the narrative that is being pushed upon us. This is something that progressives do a lot. They not only say, hey, this was wrong. What happened to George Floyd in this moment was wrong. But then they also venerate these people almost to the place of being these perfect saints. We actually saw that. We talked about that on Wednesday, the weird AI enhancement of Alex Preddy. And we can put that up. We've got the picture on the right that MsNow, MSNBC and other outlets were showing. And then we've got his actual picture on the left. And this really was displayed on Ms. Now. And the link was going around to the YouTube segment. And then they ended up editing out this AI enhanced photo that they had been circulating and other outlets had been circulating. And it's just very strange. Like, if you're just trying to highlight injustice, why do you have to make him tanner? Why do you have to make his shoulders more broad? Why do you have to shorten his nose and widen his face? Why do you have to make him look more handsome, arguably, than he is in the left side? If it is just to highlight injustice, then you don't have to tell this kind of lie. And we've got Anna Navarro on cnn. She's saying, look, Alex Preddy was perfect. He's the kind of guy who would babysit your dog. Here's thought six.

[C]

They chose to. They killed the wrong guy, right? Because this is the. This is like the perfect guy. Alex Preddy is the guy you would want to date your daughter. They want the guy you'd want your son to grow up to be a decent human being who was serving humanity, serving sick veterans who is. You know, there is nothing that has been said about that man that isn't wonderful. And so they can't malign him. They can't malign him because we have the videos.

[A]

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Kristen and Jacob, the Christian owners of this company, are just awesome. They're the real deal. You will not regret getting all of your supplements from We Heart Nutrition. So make the switch today. Go to weheartnutrition.com when you use code ALLI, you get 20% off your order no matter how many times you've ordered. We heartnutrition.com code Ali. Here's what the media is doing, whether they realize it or not. They're pushing people who were previously sympathetic to Alex Preddy into the camp of callousness. Because we can all have a logical conversation, a compassionate conversation about whether or not what happened in that moment was justified. But when you zoom out and you see the person, he apparently was an agitator to law enforcement, it makes people wonder if there was some kind of justification. But then when you look to the media and you see them trying to make him more handsome, when you see someone like Anna Navarro saying that he was a saint, I've seen this all over Instagram, that he was basically this perfect, compassionate veteran who did nothing wrong, who was just there trying to help a woman up, who had just been pushed to the ground and he was targeted for no reason just because he was filming with his phone. When you see that kind of caricature, you're actually pushing people away from defending him and pushing people away from being persuaded by the progressive narrative. People are like, you know what, I don't, I don't really think that I am going to latch on to the propaganda campaign that you are pushing. So I just want to remind you that there are some questions that you should ask whenever anything emotional happens. Whether it's George Floyd on the concrete or whether it is Alex Preddy or whether it is the five year old that was supposedly detained by ICE and used as bait, which we now know is not true. And yet those emotional images of that precious child wearing the blue toboggan, I mean, that pulls on your heartstrings. And when you see that video completely decontextualized and the caption says, this person was arrested by ICE and used as bait, but his mom was scared to come outside. Like it's really easy just to believe that. And actually you feel like a bad person for not believing it. If you don't believe it and you don't repeat what they say and you don't call for an in for ice, when you see that five year old supposedly victimized, then you feel like a bad person, you feel like a coward. And yet, of course that's been debunked. His father ran away from him. His mother said, no, I don't want that child to come inside. Maybe she was scared. The ICE Agents took care of him, bought him a Happy Meal, but of course, you didn't see that originally. So next time, before you react, immediately, wait, ask a few questions. At least four questions. Ask one, how do I know this to be true? How do I know this to be true? You should ask that when you're listening to this podcast, too. How do I know that to be true? Number two, is there more context that I'm not seeing or hearing? Is there more to this video? Was there something that happened before or after? What is going on here that I don't know? Number three, is there an alternative explanation to what this person is claiming? So when it came to that little boy, the caption said, he's being detained by ice. Is it possible that that caption is not true? Is it possible that something else is happening that I can't see and I don't know, and this person sharing this video does not know? And number four, what are the sources for this information? For example, I saw this horrible story. This woman, an illegal immigrant, she gave birth here. Her child was in the nicu. And the story read that this woman was being detained, and she was detained temporarily. She was then reunited, united with her child. But her milk dried up during that time, and it was horrible. And of course, as a mom who has given birth to three kids, that pulls on my heartstrings, and it does make me sad. And it's okay to feel sad for her and to feel compassion. We should. But what I noticed when I was reading this story is that there was no source for this information. This journalist never said, I talked to the woman. I talked to the doctor at the hospital. I verified this information. Here is my source. And then I saw commentators just repeating the story as if it's fact, never asking, but how do I know this is true? And where am I getting this information? So I know that I've said this a million times. I am not trying to get you not to feel. I'm not trying to get you not to have compassion or even for your compassionate instinct to be arrested when you see sad pictures like the little boy in the blue toboggan. I'm trying to get you not to allow your feelings to lead you to a place that is not true. People got really mad at me when I talked about the messaging battle that is going on. But there is a messaging battle going on. And public messaging influences public policy, which influences the public. Politics matter because policy matters, because people matter. And so what we believe and what we repeat, even if it's done in the name of compassion has a real impact. And so before you reshare, before you repost, before you regurgitate the talking points, ask yourself these questions and remember your words have an impact. It's really easy for us to see stories like this and to selfishly think, well, how can I look good? How can I make sure that I'm checking the box or scoring the point, or making sure that everyone knows that I'm a good person? But Christians are called to something much more thoughtful than that. You're called to the truth in love. Remember 1 Corinthians 13:6. Love never rejoices in wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. Truth in love always goes hand in hand for the Christian, factual, logical truth and also biblical truth. And the reality is, is that what we're seeing right now, the outrage campaigns, all of the influencers posting things, trying to pressure you into saying the same things they are, the anti ice sentiment, none of that is really organic. Yes, their feelings might be real, but it is all being orchestrated by people both in and outside of the country who want to see the destabilization of American cities. We touched on this just slightly on Wednesday, but today we're going to get into it. I'm talking the Chinese Communist Party, the Muslim Brotherhood, Hezbollah. These entities all throughout the world who see the west and America as as enemy number one, are using chaotic moments like this to weaponize compassion against the United States. We don't have to play a part in that, but in order for us to opt out in a healthy way, we have to know what's going on. And that's why we're talking to Peter Schweitzer today. He wrote an entire book on this. How progressives are using immigration as a weapon and how these bad actors throughout the world are using very sophisticated and well funded propaganda campaigns to lie to you and to change the makeup of the United States. It's going to blow your mind. Before we get into that conversation with Peter, let me go ahead and pause. I'll tell you about our second sponsor for the day, and that is Legacy Box. If you're anything like my mom, you've got VHS tapes lying around. You've got boxes and boxes of Polaroids and pictures going all the way back to the 1960s. You don't want to lose all of those. 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[B]

That's right. Very excited. The response has been amazing, and I'm glad the word is getting out.

[A]

Yeah. Okay. Tell me your reaction to what's going on in Minneapolis right now, especially in light of what you've just written about in this book.

[B]

Well, I think what's happening in Minneapolis is sort of a microcosm of a larger issue, and that is what I call the weaponization of immigration. We've been having an immigration debate in this country, which is good and healthy, about how it affects our economy, how it affects safety in our streets, you know, getting these rapists off the streets, etc. But there's something more going on, and that's this weaponization of immigration. So what do I mean by that? There are foreign actors. Some of them are foreign governments like China, like Mexico. Others are foreign movements like the Muslim Brotherhood, who have weaponized immigration by importing or bringing foreign political, sometimes violent networks into our country. And this, I think, is important to understand that. You have people that come here that want to be part of the American dream, that want to embrace it, but you also have these very nefarious actors, and we're not able to sort between the two. So the clash and the violence and the corruption that we're seeing in Minneapolis is happening in Minneapolis, but it's also happening around the country from Los Angeles to New York City. And it's part of a larger, what I call civilizational struggle between the United States and these nefarious actors.

[A]

Okay, tell me how exactly this works, because from my end as an Instagram user, I see a bunch of these influencers and all of these people posting anti ice. Anti immigration enforcement content. And it seems organic. These people are crying into the camera about how awful this is, that we're deporting illegal aliens. But you're telling me that this is not really organic. So how does this work?

[B]

Yeah, some of it's obviously organic, but to your point, yeah, a lot of it is. Is being generated and created. And I'll give you a couple of examples. So the governor of the government of Mexico. People kind of view Mexico as kind of this corrupt, hapless government. They really can't get anything through. They actually have a very aggressive program in the United States to meddle in our politics in. In really, really direct ways. So, for example, they have this network of Mexican government officials who actually live inside the United States. These are senior government officials that. That. That answer to the Mexican government, but they actually live in the United States. And some of them are involved in fanning the flames and even organizing some of these violent protests we've seen. So, for example, when we had the riots in Los Angeles last year, there were several Mexican officials, I named them, I quote them in the book that were fanning the flames. They were on social media. They were connected with the groups that were, you know, engaging in these violent protests. You had last year, a Mexican official named Alejandro Robles. He's the head of international operations for the Morena Party, which is the ruling party of Mexico. That's the party that the current president is aligned with. And he, in 2025, was going across the United States to. Is in. In his words, organize the militancy. And he bragged about how he. And migrants and people he was working with were at, quote, the forefront of civil resistance in America, end quote. This is again, a foreign government official who lives in Ontario, California, and he was meeting with people like the. The People's Forum, which is an antifa group in New York, and he was meeting with many others. Then you look at what's going on in Minneapolis and you notice that the Twin Cities, of course, St. Paul has a Mexican consulate there. And there are several groups, clues, and another one's called mirac, which are involved in some of these violent protests, who do a lot of work, work with the Mexican Embassy. Then let's switch to China. Just briefly. Two of the very radical groups that you see pop up all the time in these street battles, whether it's Minneapolis, Los Angeles, Certainly during blm, certainly during the, the anti Israel protests across the Eastern seaboard. These two groups are frso, the Freedom Road Socialist Organization and psl, the Party for Socialism and Liberation. These are small but extremely active. They believe in action, which is, is basically violence. These two groups have committed themselves ideologically and they are aligned with and work with the Chinese Communist Party. And some of these groups are getting funding from a gentleman named Roy Singham, a billionaire American billionaire who lives in Shanghai, describes himself as a Maoist who is close to the ccp. So yes, you do have, you know, these, let's say, women in their 50s in Minnesota that are blowing whistles and screaming and shouting at ICE officers. But the people that are really doing the direct action, a lot of the fighting, a lot of the, you know, organizing the, you know, the frozen bottles of water that they're throwing at ICE officers, these are these foreign involved or foreign directed entities. And that's what's really going on here.

[A]

Yes, and I want to be clear about what I was talking about earlier about these influencers who are posting this kind of anti ice, what I believe is propaganda, it's not that I believe those people are directly Chinese actors or they are funded by the ccp. But all of these entities, you're saying, is simply contributing to the chaos that is then leading. Possibly. And you can clarify if this is kind of not what you're arguing, but people like Renee Good or Alex Preddy to put themselves in front of ICE officers, to pretend that they're fighting Nazis to justify this kind of, of agitation and impeding law enforcement operations that then is getting them killed. And then those images are used as a catalyst for even more activism to try to oppose immigration enforcement. And within all of that are these agitators and these propagandists from foreign government that are foreign governments that are kind of stoking the flames of this confusion. Is that correct?

[B]

Yes, that. That's exactly right. That's very well said. And look, the bottom line is, and I understand why people say we need to figure out ways to tone down the conflict, and I agree with that. But let's be honest, the goal, what they want is to ramp up the conflict. When you say we need to try to tone it down, the assumption there is that the other side also wants to tone it down. The sad reality is these hardcore activists, they want martyrs. They want people that are getting shot and getting killed because it's good for the cause. It's a horrible view, but that is what their view is. So we need to realize that, we also need to realize that this is part of a Nash national problem. It's not just an issue related to Minneapolis. We're going to see this cropping up elsewhere. There are already efforts to organize, I think maybe happening tomorrow, a nationwide protests. And again, it's going to be direct action where they are physical confrontations with law enforcement because they want a fight. They, they want somebody to be severely injured or attacked because they feel like it's good for their cause and it undermines American civilization.

[A]

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[B]

Yeah, no, it's. You're exactly right. I mean, people say, oh, you know, they're walking around with masks on. Why are they walking around with masks on? They weren't doxxed 10 years ago. There weren't people running around when Obama was doing this, trying to dox and physically threaten ICE agents and their families. So there's a reason for this. And again, what's happening is very sophisticated, it's very organized. So you see, you know, when these things happen that, that they're organizing on these private chats and a lot of these techniques are things that have been developed by, you know, Cuban intelligence and other entities. Some of the people involved in these protests have actually been trained in Cuba. Part of the so called Vinceremos Brigades. So this is, this is something that is not random. And if you watch the extended videos of what's happening in the streets, rather than these just small snippets, the organized nature of this is what happens. And, and so let's summarize what's at stake here, Ali, because I think people sometimes forget the larger picture. Here's the bottom line issue. Nobody seemingly disputes that federal law says that we have a right to deport these people. Nobody disputes that federal law enforcement is doing what they're supposed to be doing, which is deporting people. You have Tim Walls and you have other local officials who are, have decided, we don't like that federal law. So we're going to muck it up and make sure that they can't actually carry out federal law. The last time this happened was in 1950s, 1960s Mississippi and Alabama.

[A]

Right?

[B]

It's the exact same thing. You've got an arrogant governor who is saying, an arrogant governor who is saying, I don't care what the federal law says. I don't care what a national election concluded because Donald Trump said he was going to do this. I decide that I'm not going to allow federal law to be enforced in my state. And Tim Wallace is another guy who wants martyrs and wants conflict because he thinks it's a politically good issue for him.

[A]

Right. You know, you say that this is a national problem and it obviously is, but others have pointed out that this kind of deadly chaos is not happening in every single jurisdiction. Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche pointed this out. You know, we're also deporting illegal aliens in Texas and we're not seeing this kind of conflict. Let's play SOT1.

[D]

We deport 10 times the number of illegal aliens out of Texas than we do out of Minneapolis. Why do we hear nothing out of Texas about any of the same problems that we have in Minneapolis?

[B]

I'll tell you why.

[D]

Because in Texas we have the cooperation and support of local law enforcement so that we can do these operations safely, keeping U.S. citizens and others protected and safe. That is not what we have in Minneapolis. And the fact that it's the Administration that's being blamed for the utter failure of leadership in Minneapolis is not right. It's not appropriate.

[A]

Are you saying those officers. Okay, so Minneapolis was also the epicenter of chaos back in 2020. Why is it that places like LA, Portland and Minneapolis seem to just attract this kind of conflict?

[B]

It's a great question. And the answer is in order to engage in this kind of direct action successfully, you need essentially the, the complicit support of local authorities. You need mayors and governors who are not going to deploy local law enforcement, and you need local prosecutors that are not going to prosecute people. So, you know, as happened in Minneapolis, you could can, you know, go into a church, take over the church service, you can threaten people, you can do a whole host of other things. You can be told to leave and ignore that request. You're going to be arrested, and local prosecutors are going to basically say, yeah, well, no, we're not going to, we're not going to allow this to go through. So you need to have both of those elements. And the reason that you see the fight so viciously in places like Minneapolis and California is political power. That's really the bottom line. If you look at the state of California, ali they have, because of illegals in the state of California, four more congressional seats than they would ordinarily have because of illegals in that state. Because when we do the census, which determines the electoral college apportionment and determines the number of congressional seats you get, we're not counting citizens, we're counting people. And so they want illegals in their state for that reason. And if four congressmen doesn't sound like a lot, consider the fact that illegals in California have more representation than people in 13 other U. S states that have smaller congressional delegations. So it's an enormous political benefit. That's why you're seeing resistance in California, Illinois, Minnesota, these states that have lost large populations, you know, since COVID with sort of the migration from these blue states, they cannot have deportations on a large scale scale within their states because they will lose political power and they will also lose money because let's remember, federal block grants on a whole host of issues, transportation, etc is again determined by the census. That's why they're fighting this so viciously. It's not humanitarian, it's for their own political benefit.

[A]

You know, that kind of answers another question that I had is why did we see all of this opposition to ICE after the widespread fraud in Minneapolis was revealed? I mean, now we know that these Somalians Some legal, some illegal, were using daycares, adult daycare centers, whatever that is, to get a lot of money from the tax taxpayer and that that money is seemingly being funneled to the Democrat Party, other politicians in the state of Minnesota. And it's just strange that, you know, people in Minnesota would say after I realize my taxpayer money is being stolen from me for nefarious ends, that's when I'm going to get really angry that people are being deported. That to me doesn't seem like an organic, logical reaction.

[B]

Yeah, no, I think that's a great point. And I think that the fraud in Somalia, again, we're, we're missing, I think, larger issue here. Not to say that a multi billion dollar fraud in the state of Minnesota is not a big deal, but I think the way people have viewed this is that this is kind of, again, you know, people come here from Somalia. It's one of the most corrupt places on the planet. That's not me saying that. That's what all the surveys say. And so people say, well, this just kind of what you would expect. But this is again, actually highly organized. And one of the things I point out in the, the book is when it comes to groups like the Muslim Brotherhood, they are very active in America's mosques. A lot of the mosques in the United States are run by individuals who are here on R1 visas, religious worker visas from overseas. They're actually not from the United States. And one of the things they preach is this sort of strange notion that, that public assistance fraud is like a tax on non Muslims that are owed to Muslims. It's called jizrad, I think is what they call it. And there are preachers, including in places like Minnesota, who have said this, who've argued this. So it's not just that you have people saying, hey, let's, we think we're going to engage in fraud. You actually have people that are encouraging this kind of behavior, at least among people that are part of their faith. And obviously a lot of Muslims would reject this view. But the bottom line, this is a very vocal movement that's pushed by the Muslim Brotherhood to engage in this kind of fraud, that it's legitimate behavior and that makes it even more difficult to tamp down on. And I think that's the reason we're going to see more of these cases involving people in these communities and not just in Minnesota.

[A]

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[B]

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[B]

Yeah, no, that's a great question. Let me just. I'm gonna, I'm gonna read you two quotes just because I think it's better than me just saying it and it gives an indication of where these activists are coming from. The first one is from the head of Florida, care. Care. Of course you've talked about it. Others have talked about it. Council on American Islamic Relations. This is from a 2025 speech. Listen to what he says. How do we even justify living here in the United States? I mean, why are we living here? Have we asked ourselves this question? Why are we living? The only answer I believe is excusable and justifiable is if we are living here to shift this country's political direction and spiritual direction together. Or another quote from a board member of CAIR of the National Board, quote, ultimately we can never be full citizens of this country because there is no way we can be fully committed to the institutions of this country, we can be citizens in the sense that we try to influence American policy. So it begins with this very aggressive effort within the Islamic community to say, no, don't assimilate. And if you do assimilate, we are going to ostracize you. We are going to attack you and criticize you. Because the point is, they do not want people that immigrate here of the Muslim faith to embrace the American dream. That means they're going to lose them. So you have this. This very organized, highly funded effort by these activists, by these groups, by these imams, to fight against the United States, not embrace it. And there. There are numerous other quotes in my book. There's an imam at one of the biggest mosques in Michigan who said, just, you know, a year ago, he told everybody in the congregation, we need to fight Western civilization. Western civilization is over. We are the. The future. We need to fight it. So it begins with that. And then it begins with again, in their own words, their hope that American apathy will serve their political agenda. They firmly believe that if they can achieve a population of, you know, 10 or 11% in a certain area, they can win elections. Because most the average American is, you know, politically not that engaged. They don't vote. They certainly don't vote in primaries. And they use the Mudani election in New York as an example. And people want to think, well, that's crazy. New York. That's not where I live. They talked about this several years before that if we can find a Muslim candidate that we can get behind, we can win the Democratic nomination because we can get our people out to vote, even though we're a small percentage of the population. And that's the model they are now going to replicate across the country. And they're very confident that they're going to have success. The final thing I would say, Ali, is that, again, there is an international component to this. I talk about this in the book. Mamdani's election in New York was watched very closely in Tehran, and it was also watched very closely by groups like Hezbollah, the terrorist group in Lebanon, because they see these victories in the United States as an on opportunity to expand their sphere of influence within our own borders.

[A]

So tell me, why the Muslim Brotherhood, Mexico, the Chinese Communist Party, who do not believe in things like transgenderism, disproportionately support progressivism and the Democrat Party in the United States?

[B]

Yeah, no, it's a great question. It's. It's the most bizarre thing when you see the trans rights activists next to, you know, the the, the devout radicalized fundamentalist Muslim who would reject everything that the trans rights activists believe and how they're living their life. And the answer goes back to a meeting that sort of began what is called the Red Green alliance between the Marxists and the Islamists. It was a meeting in 2007 when the son and daughter of Che Guevara, the, the, the butcher of the Cuban revolution who, you know, some college students wear a T shirt with his image on it on college campuses. His adult children who are atheist Marxists who live in Cuba, traveled to Tehran to meet with the mullahs. And according to the accounts of that meeting, the meeting did not get off to a good start. They first they started arguing about the existence of God and they obviously had very different views on that, that, but eventually they brushed all that aside. And Ali, what they concluded and what they said after that meeting is we disagree on a lot of things, but we agree on one thing and that is the fundamental need to destroy the United States and Western civilization. So this is a marriage of convenience. And what I would say to my progressive friends out there, and I do have friends that I disagree with politically, is you should read the quotes in my book because what the imams will tell you is this is a marriage of convenience. When we have won, we are going to deal with these people because we find these progressives, these atheists, these trans right activists, abhorrent. And once we defeat Western civilization, don't worry, we're going to go deal with those people. So it is a marriage of convenience. They are going to, they are going to divide the spoils and then the Islamists are going to declare war on the, the progressives at that point in time.

[A]

Yeah, it's not that these Islamists actually agree with the values of progressivism, it's that the values of progressivism make them vulnerable to conquest. When you value completely untethered to truth, by the way, tolerance and diversity and unconditional open mindedness, unconditional acceptance and inclusion, you become very vulnerable to chaos. And so to me that is why the CCP and these other groups that are really opposed to a lot of their principles, take advantage of them and you know, take on progressivism like a skin suit. Last sponsor for the day is my Patriot Supply. So the southeast has just been hit with a horrible winter storm. We don't deal well with snow and ice in the south. That is why I love my Patriot supply, because if you run out of power or you can't go to the grocery store, you need this kind of food and preparedness gear on hand. Don't wait until we have another winter storm to wonder how you are going to take care of yourself and your family. Go ahead, go to my Patriotsupply.com ally and order their winter survival kit. All of their food, all of their gear lasts for years. Hopefully you'll never need it. But it's better to be safe than sorry. Right now with my link, when you order their winter survival kit from my Patriot supply, you can also get a Vesta. A Vesta is an off grid heater and it uses something called canned heat which is indoor safe fuel. So this is again a way to just prepare and protect your family in the next next winter storm and you can get that for free. When you order their winter preparedness kit or winter survival kit, go to my patriotsupply.com Ali take advantage of that deal right now my patriotsupply.com Ally. Okay, gosh. There's so much more that I want to ask you. I've got two more questions quickly. We've talked about surrogacy and really the global surrogacy and trafficking industry that exists and how China in particular takes advantage of our immigration laws here and uses American surrogates to create Chinese American babies. Tell us what is going on behind the scenes there and why that is happening.

[B]

Yeah, this might be the most horrific thing that we uncovered. Look, we have this debate in the country about birthright citizenship, the 14th amendment. Some people believe the 14th amendment means that anybody born within the borders of the United States, that baby automatically gets U.S. citizenship. And I think a lot of people have a sense that like, is this really a big deal? I mean, okay, somebody comes across the border that this, they live here 20 years, they happen to have a child. The problem is that China has an industrial scale exploitation of birthright citizenship that is creating a massive national security security problem. And so what do I mean? Well, our federal government has no idea how many children have been born here that are getting birthright citizenship. They have no idea because when you get a birth certificate in the United States, it does not give the nationality of the parents. Nobody's tracking it. Our federal government doesn't know. China has encouraged this. They've, they've encouraged it in the People's Daily, their biggest newspaper. They've told members of, of the Chinese elite, go to the United States, you can get citizenship for your kids. They alive. They allow a thriving industry where there are literally hundreds of companies that will make these arrangements for members of the Chinese elite. The question of course, Is why. Why would China want its elite to get US Citizenship? And I think we all kind of know what that answer probably is. But the scale here is the point I want to emphasize. China has, the Chinese government has investigated this. Chinese research firms have looked at it and they say that over the last 13 years, every single year, roughly 100,000 Chinese babies have been born in the United States. In other words, their parents fly here, the mother gives birth. After a couple of weeks, when the baby is ready to travel, they fly back to China and the child will be raised in China in CCP. School rules with the CCP control, with CCP media. And the problem is when they turn 18, they're going to be able to vote in the United States and they're going to be able to contribute to political campaigns and they're going to be able to apply for government jobs. So do the math. We're looking at more than a million, according to the Chinese government estimate of quote, unquote, U.S. citizens. I'll put that in air quotes. Who are being raised in China. China that are going to be able to start voting in our elections in just a couple of years. Yeah, let's remember the 2016 presidential election. Donald Trump, Hillary Clinton was settled by what, 72,000 votes. So this is a massive problem. You have the additional problem of surrogacy. This is when Chinese elites will hire a woman in the United States. They'll pay her 50 to 60 thousand dollars to carry their baby. When that baby is born. Born, it will be given U.S. citizenship. It's born here. Its mother is also a U.S. citizen. We don't know the scale of this. The Chinese government has not looked into it. Again, it's openly advertised in China. But a couple of brief Data points. Number one, we looked at Southern California and we found 107 Chinese owned surrogacy companies that are advertising these services in China. China, 107 just in southern California. And the second data point is the Wall Street Journal ran a story about five weeks ago involving one man, a Chinese billionaire close to the ccp, who says that he alone by himself has more than 100 children.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

That were born in the United States that are being raised in China right now. So this is a massive, massive vulnerability and problem.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, it's, it's human trafficking. And it's not even just for the purpose of trafficking these humans and making money in all of this. But as you are arguing, this has long term political consequences when you have this dual citizenship and they're being propagandized their whole lives against the United States, then can come back to the United States. So obviously we are talking about illegal immigration, but we're talking about legal immigration too. We are talking about not enforcing the laws on the books and the laws on the books not being what they should be. What do you see the Trump administration doing to combat all of the things that we've been talking about?

[B]

Well, very fortunate. Before the book came out, I had a, about an hour long meeting with the President, the Treasury Secretary Bessen and also the Secretary of State Marco Rubio were in that meeting in the Oval Office. We lay the out a lot of this information, can't go into details, but I expect we're going to see some action from the Trump administration. I would also add that we had very good meetings on Capitol Hill with a number of US Senators and with James Comer, the Chairman of the House Oversight Committee. I will be testifying before the Senate on the issue of China surrogacy and manipulation of birthright citizenship. I think it's on March 10th and I also have reason to believe that the administration and others are going to be using this information in the Supreme Court discussions on birthright citizenship. Those arguments I think will be occurring in, in a few weeks and I just think it's vitally important for the Supreme Court justices to realize these are not random things that just kind of happen. This is highly organized. It is an industrial scale effort, effort to mint U S Citizens and these U. S Citizens are being raised in China and they will have the rights that all of us have who live here and participate and, and love America.

[A]

Peter, thank you so much. The Invisible Coup, How American Elites and Foreign Powers Use Immigration as a Weapon. This is the book that everyone needs to read right now to know what's really going on. Peter, thank you so much.

[B]

Thanks so much for having me, Ali. I enjoyed it, Sam.