Ep 1320 | Is Bill Gates Funding Assisted Suicide in the U.S.? Activist Reveals the Truth | Kelsi Sheren

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Podcast Summary

Podcast: Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey
Episode: 1320 | Is Bill Gates Funding Assisted Suicide in the U.S.? Activist Reveals the Truth | Kelsi Sheren
Date: March 20, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode features Canadian combat veteran and activist Kelsi Sheren, who exposes the alarming spread and normalization of assisted suicide (MAID) in Canada—primarily targeting vulnerable populations such as veterans, the elderly, disabled, and increasingly, the mentally ill and even children. Kelsi discusses the mechanics, ideology, and financial incentives behind MAID, connects U.S.-based efforts (including financial and ideological links to organizations like the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation), and warns Americans of the cultural and legislative importation of these developments. The episode weaves Kelsi's personal journey and advocacy with in-depth research and shocking testimonies.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Kelsi Sheren’s Background and Motivation

• Combat Veteran Experience: Kelsi served alongside Americans and British forces in Afghanistan, was injured in 2009, and diagnosed with PTSD, TBI, and depression. She suffered years of suicidality.
• Turning Point: In 2015, art therapy led her to found Brass & Unity, a jewelry company supporting veterans, reigniting her sense of purpose.
• Activism: Kelsi’s mission is suicide prevention and exposing systems that exploit vulnerable people.

  “I do everything from a place of suicide prevention and helping people understand that their life is worth living—even with suffering.” —Kelsi [01:14]

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2. Canada’s MAID System: Exploitation of the Vulnerable

• Widespread Targeting: Populations offered MAID include “children, babies with special needs, the poor, veterans, the elderly, the sick, those struggling with mental health conditions.” — Allie [00:01]
• Veterans Pressured Into MAID: Kelsi describes veterans being offered assisted suicide instead of support for service injuries.
  • Testimony Example: Christine Gautier, former artillery gunner and Paralympian, was offered MAID instead of home accessibility renovations. [05:26–08:13]

    “They were offering her death over a wheelchair ramp.” —Kelsi [06:11]

• Systemic Denial: Canadian government denies wrongdoing, despite multiple veterans’ testimonies and affidavits.

  “They just keep calling us liars.” —Kelsi [08:10]

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3. The Two-Track System and Its Expansion

• Track One: For those with foreseeable death (terminal illness).

  “That’s what we call the killing grandma… People see the empathy in that, right? It’s like putting your dog down.” —Kelsi [08:53]

• Track Two: For non-terminal, grievous conditions (e.g., disability, degenerative disorders). Not currently for mental illness—but this is poised to change in 2027.

  “Track two came in in 2021... that is where your first issue has to be a physical disorder. It cannot be a psychological disorder. That starts March of next year.” —Kelsi [09:36]

Case Studies

• Keanu: A young man suffering from diabetes, head injuries, and mental health issues, who did not legally qualify but found doctors willing to approve his MAID procedure. [12:40–16:03]

  “He did not, under the law, qualify for this. So his mother obviously found out, lost her mind...” —Kelsi [14:40]

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4. Financial Incentives and Industry behind MAID

• Doctors’ Profits: About 350 Canadian doctors perform most MAID procedures, some earning six or seven figures.

  “These people are making six, almost seven figures… Ellen [Wiebe] has made around $860,000 since 2016.” —Kelsi [18:07]

• Process: Each case requires multiple billed assessments—at $50 per 15 minutes.
• Speed to Death: For terminally ill patients (Track 1), MAID can be administered the same day as approval. [20:31]

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5. Societal and Ideological Influences

Normalization and Lobbying

• Dying with Dignity & CanMAP: These organizations train doctors in MAID, lobby government, advertise heavily, and partner with health authorities.
• Lack of Transparency: Training materials are kept secret from the public.
• Cultural Drip: The ideology is spread in libraries, churches, nursing homes, and veterans groups—often with government grants.

  “They slow drip this mentality… They go on speaking tours, they do these educational things at churches… they target the vulnerable.” —Kelsi [23:33]

• Eugenics Historic Comparisons: Kelsi draws parallels to 1930s Germany’s euthanasia program.

  “During the war before the Holocaust, there was 200,000 German disabled and mentally ill individuals who were euthanized… Canada is about to surpass that number in 10 years.” —Kelsi [26:09]

Expansion to Children and Infants

• Children as MAID Candidates: Canadian reports suggest "mature minors" (as young as 12) could soon have sole authority to choose MAID.

  “There is a concerted effort by these people to tell us that 12-, 13-, 14-year-olds should have the right to end their lives.” —Kelsi [28:06]

• Infant Euthanasia: Quebec College of Physicians has proposed euthanizing babies up to one year old with qualifying disorders. [28:06]

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6. Reality vs. Narrative: What MAID Actually Entails

• Not Peaceful: Kelsi describes gruesome realities—paralytic drugs, “drowning” sensations, failed medication leading to protracted deaths.

  “I'm kind of done with this empathy, compassion, and dignity conversation… those are words meant to sanitize the reality.” —Kelsi [32:05] “I'm so sick and tired of this idea of empathy... This delusion of dignity, because to kill a human isn't dignified.” —Kelsi [34:03]

• Children’s Books: Dying with Dignity publishes coloring books to normalize euthanasia for children.
• Coercion and Family Pressure: Examples of patients reversed decisions but were still euthanized due to family or provider preference. [51:57–54:10]

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7. U.S. Landscape and the Role of Major “Death with Dignity” Organizations

• MAID in America
  • 13 states + D.C. have legalized assisted suicide.
  • “Compassion & Choices” (analogous to Canada’s Dying with Dignity) is the primary lobbying force—funded partly by Bill Gates Foundation and other large liberal nonprofits.
  • Organizational strategies include slow ideological “drip” via churches, social groups, and media campaigns before introducing legislation.

  “By 2028, they will have over 50% of the American population living in states that kill as health care.” —Kelsi [43:10]

• Involvement of Faith Communities: Compassion & Choices cultivates support among certain clergy.

  “They went and... got a bunch of reverends... priests... and they were going to say, ‘Yes, we don’t want to do this, but we believe it’s compassion.’” —Kelsi [47:04]

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8. Theological and Moral Dimensions

• Christian Response: Allie and Kelsi emphasize the Christian perspective of the inherent value of life, suffering, and the moral obligation to resist “playing God.” [50:28–51:48]
• Alleviating Suffering vs. Erasing the Sufferer: Modern ideology reframes suffering as intolerable, skirting the opportunity for growth, community, and compassion.

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9. Calls to Action and Advocacy

• Canada: Urges contacting MPs, senators, and the Canadian Revenue Agency to challenge charity status for pro-euthanasia lobbies.
• USA: Kelsi’s Substack compiles contact links, legislative updates, and advocacy resources. She also produces “The Kelsi Sheren Perspective,” the only daily podcast dedicated to tracking assisted suicide expansion.

  “If you don't [act], I promise you, you guys and your population density are going to make Canada look like nothing.” —Kelsi [62:06]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

| Timestamp | Speaker | Quote | |-----------|---------|-------| | 01:14 | Kelsi Sheren | “I do everything from a place of suicide prevention and helping people understand that their life is worth living—even with suffering.” | | 06:11 | Kelsi Sheren | “They were offering her death over a wheelchair ramp.” | | 08:13 | Kelsi Sheren | “And then every time we testify, we're met with, you're a liar.” | | 14:40 | Kelsi Sheren | “He did not, under the law, qualify for this. So his mother obviously found out, lost her mind...” | | 18:07 | Kelsi Sheren | “These people are making six, almost seven figures… Ellen [Wiebe] has made around $860,000 since 2016.” | | 23:33 | Kelsi Sheren | “They slow drip this mentality… They go on speaking tours, they do these educational things at churches… they target the vulnerable.” | | 26:09 | Kelsi Sheren | “Canada is about to surpass that number [200,000] in 10 years [of euthanized citizens].” | | 28:06 | Kelsi Sheren | “There is a concerted effort… to tell us that 12-, 13-, 14-year-olds should have the right to end their lives.” | | 32:05 | Kelsi Sheren | “I'm kind of done with this empathy, compassion, and dignity conversation… those are words meant to sanitize the reality.” | | 34:03 | Kelsi Sheren | “I'm so sick and tired of this idea of empathy... This delusion of dignity, because to kill a human isn't dignified.” | | 43:10 | Kelsi Sheren | “By 2028, they will have over 50% of the American population living in states that kill as healthcare.” | | 62:06 | Kelsi Sheren | “If you don't [act], I promise you, you guys and your population density are going to make Canada look like nothing.” |

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• 00:01–02:35 — Introduction to MAID in Canada; Kelsi’s personal story
• 05:25–08:13 — Christine Gautier’s testimony; system denial and retaliation
• 09:36–11:06 — Legal history; Track 1 vs. Track 2 explained
• 12:40–16:03 — Keanu’s case and the problem of “doctor shopping”
• 17:17–21:12 — Financial incentives for doctors
• 22:49–29:52 — How organizations propagate the ideology; expansion to children & babies
• 32:05–36:05 — The euphemisms vs. the brutality of MAID
• 40:56–44:45 — Expansion in the U.S.; Compassion & Choices, state-by-state, church involvement
• 46:36–51:57 — Christian organizations, faith, and the suffering conversation
• 54:10–57:29 — Coercion, family dynamics, and risks for the future
• 59:48–62:06 — Kelsi’s advocacy, safety concerns, and activism resources

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How to Take Action

Canada:

• Contact MPs and senators to oppose MAID expansions.
• Report unethical charities to the Canadian Revenue Agency.

USA:

• Stay informed on legislation in your state.
• Use Kelsi Sheren’s Substack & podcast for updates and advocacy tools: [The Kelsi Sheren Perspective]

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Tone and Style

The conversation is urgent, candid, and passionate, blending Kelsi’s firsthand experiences with data and moral argument. Allie provides a supportive, analytic, and Christian-conservative framework for the discussion.

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Conclusion

Kelsi Sheren’s testimony is both a warning and a rallying cry against a rapidly expanding culture of legalized assisted suicide that may reach the United States on a similar scale. The episode exposes the financial, ideological, and societal machinery behind these shifts and advocates for strong awareness and action to protect the most vulnerable.

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Transcript

[A]

Children, babies with special needs, the poor, veterans, the elderly, the sick, those struggling with mental health conditions. These are just some of the groups being targeted by Canada's taxpayer funded assisted suicide program. This is happening at an enormous scale. We've got an activist from Canada here today who is sounding the alarm about all of this, who is making money off of this program and how is this happening in the United States through social justice organizations and even churches is a mind blowing episode. You're going to want to listen to the whole thing.

[B]

Buckle up.

[A]

Kelsey, thanks so much for joining us. Could you tell everyone a little bit about, about your background?

[B]

Yeah. So my name is Kelsey Sharon. I'm a Canadian combat veteran and I served with Americans and British and Canadians overseas. In 2009, I got injured overseas and I was diagnosed with post traumatic stress disorder, traumatic brain injury, major depressive disorder, treatment resistant depression and hearing loss. And I was hyper suicidal for the majority of my 20s and told I would have been easier if I died.

[A]

You're told by who?

[B]

All my staff in the military. And they put me on a lot of drugs and I wanted to kill myself for a really, really long time. And in 2015, one of my psychiatrists suggested art therapy. And so I built a brand called Brass and Unity on the kitchen Table that took off very rapidly and we became one of the largest jewelry companies in the globe that donates its money to veterans, first responders all across the globe. And I found purpose again. And I think it was 2019 I started writing a book about my life as one of the like more rare female operators on the front lines. And in 2020 I started my show and I do everything from a place of suicide prevention and helping people understand that their life is worth living even with suffering. And that suffering, suffering, the suffering has a lesson in it and that life happens for you and not to you. And I've tried to be an example of that living since the time I went overseas to now. And ever since then I've been, I guess, I guess an activist. I don't know what, what to call myself because I don't really love labels. But I've just been somebody who's been speaking out against things that I feel are wrong in the world and using the opportunities and platforms like your show and other people's to hopefully open the eyes of individuals who are being targeted and the vulnerable who are being exploited. And that's what I do.

[A]

Now Canada has a program called MAID and that's medically assisted medical assistance and dying and assistance in dying and You're a veteran, and you've watched fellow veterans be offered this program who are struggling in the same way that you were.

[B]

Yeah. In 2021. So there was a veteran in 2019 named David. But in 2021, I got a phone call from a mutual friend who had another podcast. Hey, Kelse. Like, I just got off the phone with so and so, and he was just offered maid from Veterans Affairs. And I thought to myself, well, that's. That's illegal. So, like, what are you talking about? Do you have proof of it? Not to think that he didn't have proof of. But I have to ask the question. If you're doing any sort of journalism work or reporting, you need to understand where it's coming from. He goes, well, we have an audio recording. I said, okay. So I listened to the audio recording and I got on the phone with the individual and I said, okay, you know what? I think this finally crossed my line. And that's when I started going to bat. Obviously, I was already in the veteran space, in the suicide space. At that time. I had started speaking and doing keynotes at Harvard and TEDx and talking about veteran suicide, even though TED won't release it. I tried to help people understand how many people are taking their lives because lack of healthcare, lack of purpose, lack of community, lack of support networks. But to hear my own government suggest that instead of somebody being given the proper care after serving, and this was a special operator, just to be given that option to end their life kind of just dumbfounded me. I couldn't believe what I was hearing. And so from there, we went to the media, and I went as far and wide as I could. And I spent. You know, I've spent every waking minute since then trying to scream from the rooftops and get the world to understand what's happening in their countries, because this is not a Canadian problem. This is an ideology that has been brought forward from a sick society. And that's really where we're at, is they target the vulnerable first. They target the people who think they don't have a voice, who can't speak up, or who will take the options because they're so low. Yeah, and that's. That's. That's eugenics.

[A]

Yeah, we'll get into the details because that's what I'm interested in. This audience understands the preciousness of life from conception all the way through. And so we understand the moral problems with maid. What I think a lot of people in my audience don't understand is what is actually happening we see a headline from Canada or even some states here in the US Hearing about this happening, but we don't understand how often it's happening, why it's happening, the mechanisms behind the scenes that are making this happen. And so I want to play one of the audio recordings of this veteran in Canada Christy got here, Christine Gautier.

[B]

She's a friend of mine.

[A]

Gautier. Thank you. She was waiting for five years to receive renovations in her home in Canada to make it more wheelchair accessible because she had been injured as a veteran, and this is what she was offered instead. Saudi.

[C]

The guy said, you know, if you really can go on, you're that desperate, you're that fed up with everything, you know, you have the right to die. I remember when he said that, I went like, I was completely in shock. And the only thing that came, it was like, seriously, like, really? You're not gonna help me live with the equipment I need, but you're gonna help me die?

[A]

Okay, so this is what is happening to many veterans in Canada.

[B]

So Christine. I heard about Christine. Christine is also a former artillery gunner like myself, and she is a woman who paved the way for people like me to do the job that I did in the service. So I took a particular liking to her because I think she's incredible. And I reached out to her and that clips from my show, the Kelsey Sharon perspective. And I said, look, I just want to tell your story. I just want to hear you and give you a place to let this come out. And I just want you to understand that there's no judgment, there's no nothing. I understand where you're at. How can we help? And she came on and she sent me a mountain of paperwork of them in French and English, and I served with the French. So I went through everything, and they were offering her death over a wheelchair ramp. They were offering her to end her life. Now, this woman is not like a. Don't get me wrong when I say this, she's not like a standard, like, veteran, you know, across the board who hasn't deployed. You know, I don't mean that in a degradating way, but what I'm saying is, for Canada, she was an Olympian, a Paralympian. She was an Invictus game gold medalist. She was like, when Canada needed her to step up, she stepped up every time. She's always been the one that was like, how do I go to. And constantly work towards making Canadians and veterans look amazing? Like, she has just gone out of her way above and beyond, traveled when she needed to be testifying and just constantly been in this fight and she just wanted a wheelchair ramp and they asked her if she wanted to die instead. And not only that, is. That was super illegal. Like, first off, forget the morality, just the way the law is written in Canada, that's illegal. Okay. And she's not the only one that has proof and evidence of this. We have all now testified in Parliament of Canada. Myself, Christine Gautier, Mark David, like, you name it. We've all testified to this. And then every time we testify, we're met with, you're a liar. You know, Sean Casey, at the last testimony I just did, spent his time filler busting with me, basically calling me a liar when I said, I have 20 veterans with affidavits and proof. So would you like to have this conversation continue?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And he just. They just keep calling us liars.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So if you constantly try to gaslight people, even though we have proof of it, you know, that's kind of an insane statement. So Christine itself is still fighting to get the things she needs. And meanwhile, her husband, who's also a veteran, has gotten the things he needed already. So she's being punished for coming out and speaking.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And that's where we're at.

[A]

So Canada basically says, officially, no, we don't do that.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

There are two tracks. There's track one, you're terminal. You've got terminal cancer. There's no fix for you. So we're gonna offer what they call euphemistically dying with dignity. And then they have track two, you have severe depression. You aren't able to get any relief. And that's. Is that what they say?

[B]

No. So track one is your. Is what we call your foreseeable death, your natural foreseeable death, meaning that you're gonna die within a very short period of time. Right. So that's. That's what we call the Killing Grandma. Like, that's terrible name, but it's the name of my new book. We call it Killing Grandma. Like, this is the one where you go, grandma's in the nursing home. She's deteriorating. She's not functioning. We don't wanna see her suffer. She's had, you know, stage four terminal cancer for a long time. We can't do radiation chemo. People see the empathy in that, right? It's like putting your dog down. That's how they view it. That's literally what it's been compared to. I don't agree with that. Track two came in when the court challenged. So 2016, Carter versus Canada, track one, we're only going to keep it terminally ill. We're never going to expand. That's always the famous last words.

[A]

Right?

[B]

Then there was a court challenge that came through two years later and it was two disabled individuals from Quebec who challenged the Supreme Court and said it is wrong to be not allowing me, who's a disabled individual, to have the right to end my life. So naturally, Quebec rolled and then track two came in in 2021. Now that's your non foreseeable death. Okay. That's people who not mentally ill. Let's be very clear about that because that's that the depression cover. This is where things get murky. So this is somebody that has what's called an irremedial or grievous condition. And that could mean, for example, Sam in a wheelchair. And I used to not be in a wheelchair and I can no longer live in this condition. Okay. A friend of mine, Roger Foley, who's in a London, Ontario hospital, has a degenerative disorder. He could live at home, but they can't. They won't fund him to have caregivers, so they make him live in a hospital and they offer him maid every day. The only, the only crime he ever had was born with a degenerative disorder. There's nothing wrong with this man. He's a great human. Kayla Pollock. I don't know what I can say on the show in terms of the terms, but the. She got the COVID vaccine and like less than eight hours later, she became a quadriplegic. Story is quite known for this. Now they offer her maid. So she's technically a Track 2 candidate right now. That is where your first issue has to be a physical disorder. It cannot be a psychological disorder. Okay. That starts March of next year. Okay.

[A]

And yet I feel that I have heard stories like I'm pretty sure there was this 26 year old man. Yes. Who was offered maid got made because he was depressed and his family was like, hang on a second. This was just a season of his life. We were helping and we didn't even know that he was being killed by the government. How is that happening? Quick pause to tell you about our first sponsor for the day and that is Jevy. I love this company. It is so easy to get your blood work done, to get all of your biomarkers tested and then for you to really be able to know what's going on in your body and to optimize your health as much as possible. Jev sends a phlebotomist right to you. They came to my studio. She was awesome. So friendly. Took a bunch of vials of my blood. But it was completely painless and totally convenient. And then you get the results of your blood work on the Jev app. You're able to see that really quickly. And the best part I thought was that I had a doctor go over my results, send me a 30 minute video that broke it all down in a way that I can understand. And not only that, she made recommendations about what I should be eating, what supplements I should be taking, what kind of exercise I should be doing to optimize my health. And I have to tell you, it's really helped me feel my best. Go to go.com ally use code ally for 20% off. That's G-O-G-E-V-I-T-I.com allycode ally.

[B]

It goes like this. Keanu really great kid. Parts the media don't understand about this. I know his family very well. Parts the media do not understand about this is Keanu was diabetes type 1 since a child. Okay, so already a little bit difficult. Manageable. I know a million diabetics. My dad is one. Right. And then throughout life, he started to develop some of these issues. He had some mental health issues. He was already struggling there. Then he started using some drugs that were not necessarily working well with young men's minds. And then he had some head injuries. Now, this is the kicker, most people miss this, right? I have a traumatic brain injury. And so I understand that when you have a head injury, it changes your frontal lobe, changes your ability to make discernment, decision making, impulse control, all of these things. So he had multiple head injuries. So now we're dealing with diabetes, drug use, mental health disorders now, head injuries. So what happened was Keanu went into seasonal depressional type state. And if you live in Canada or on the west coast, seasonal depression is pretty normal with the rain. He's in Ontario in 2022. He went to a place, it's a killing facility called Maid House. Okay. So we have two facilities in Canada, one in Victoria, one in Toronto. And all they do is kill. And in their eyes, all they do is euthanize. And I can't with them. And I refuse to play their games

[A]

or help people die with dignity.

[B]

Oh, yeah, well, that's gross too. The end of life care. So we will you in and you never come out. And then they brag about their art on the walls on their website, like, okay, anyway, so he went in there and A doctor named Dr. Tepper qualified him. Okay. He did not qualify. Let's make that abundantly clear. He did not, under the law, qualify for this. So his mother obviously found out, lost her mind, went to the media and was like, we're not doing this. I'm letting everyone know who this doctor is. I'm not going to stop fighting for my son. Wonderful. He then said, okay, you know what, I'm not going to do it. So he got afraid. Well, if you think you're doing something so moral and right, why would you stop?

[A]

Right?

[B]

So then for the past few years after that, he had a relapse, had some issues, but he was, his family was holding him together. He was doing good, he was going through things. And then he doctor shopped his way to Ellen Wieb.

[A]

Yes, I've heard of her. I think we've talked about her on the show, actually.

[B]

Ellen is at the Willow Book, the Willow Clinic in Vancouver. Everybody knows where she's at because she's been performing abortions there for 40 years.

[A]

So she just loves death.

[B]

Oh, she's. Listen, the stuff I got about this woman, I am very clear to state, are all public, are all found on the Internet and are all quotable and they're not defamatory because I'm just reading what you say out loud. And she was one of the doctors who brought the abortion bill to Canada. I mean the pill, the, the at home abortion pill to Canada. So she's been doing those. And then she got into maid. She helped get it legalized, helped write legislation, and she's on the board of Dying with Dignity as well as canmap, which trains all of our doctors how to be killers. And then she also does maids. So I call it medical murder. So she, he doctor shopped his way to her, he qualified her, he got on a plane in December last year, flew to Vancouver by himself, picked up the prescription by himself, got in a car, went to a funeral home and was killed inside the funeral home by Ellen Wape.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

I have the pictures and the receipts of him picking up the prescriptions with her name on them and the amount he paid for them. He purchased his own drugs, that poison that ended his life. And then I actually called that funeral home a couple weeks ago and I did a video of it and I just said, hey, I'm just curious, do you do maid here? They're like, oh my gosh, yes. What's your name? I have a two minute video on my social media platform where you can hear Them selling me maid for 400 service the doctor to meet you there. Are you guys able to provide maid at your funeral home location? We are, yeah. And just for context, could I ask your first name? Kelsey. And they also do, just in case you're curious, they also handle the whole funeral and the crematory right there.

[A]

So they're making a lot of money.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

So it's supposed to be these physical maladies that people have either terminal or we don't know if it's terminal. But there's a slippery slope, obviously worked in there where people with mental health conditions are using whatever other underlying condition they have to be their main one to justify. And this is being. It's not only legal, it's not only glorified, it's paid for by the taxpayer, Correct?

[B]

Yes, ma'. Am.

[A]

So that is my question. I mean, you could talk about the ideology behind it, the morality of the people in charge to think there's an overpopulation crisis or people should have ultimate bodily autonomy to choose what they want to do. But I always have to wonder about the financial incentives going on here. Like, who's making all of this money off of people being murdered by the medical system?

[B]

Would you like to know?

[A]

I would. Okay.

[B]

I brought stuff for you for this because I don't play with this.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

One of their biggest things, these, I call them the death cults, like to do, is come at me and be like, she's not a doctor. She doesn't know. I'm like, you're right. I've just healed from everything you're killing people for. Yeah, let's try, shall we? Okay, so when we're looking at numbers here in Canada, specifically As of the 2024 report, we're looking at an average of around 2200 doctors in Canada that now perform MAID assessments and maid kills.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

To be killed, you need to be seen by two assessors. Now, the person who's going to actually do the killing, they have to be. You can do up to five assessments. Okay. Now the other assessor can do up to three assessments. Each assessment can be billed for up to 105 hours. They charge $50 every 15 minutes. So you just do more assessments. You could say somebody doesn't even qualify at the end of this. Right. So you could bill for five assessments. You do the math on that. It's pretty substantial. Now, the process itself, when. Let's take a look at this, because this is where people's brains are going to break. Canada is about to hit our 100,000th death between April and June of this year. Okay, we're going to hit 110,000 by the end of the year without expansion to mental illness. That starts March of 2020 or 2027. So this is just as the law sits right now. Now, roughly 350 people out of those 20, 200 are doing the majority of the killing. So think about that. 100,000 people. 350 people. That's an average. When you do on a low end of a math scale, these people are making six, almost seven figures. If they've done this since 2016. Like, so when we did the math on Ellen, we did a low number. Like, and I mean, like, say she only did two assessments. Say she only did the one kill. Say she only bought the prescription. You know, she's made around $860,000 since 2016. That's not even doing the abortions. She does during the day too. Those are roughly around $200 a pop, depending on how far the term is. Canada goes all the way to term. So this woman has made an entire life killing people. So the way they break it down now, based on the billing code itself right now, and the working theory is this, so say if 55% of those people. So 350 physicians did 55% of the 100,000 procedures. That's about 157 kills per doctor in that 350. Well, that's an average $161,710 a year. But we all know this. It's not just about the doctor making money, because it's easy money, very easy money. If you can, you don't have to treat anything. You have to treat anything. You can qualify somebody. And you know what, you can be killed same day with maid if you're track one.

[A]

Right. Wow. You can be killed same day with maid if you are track one.

[B]

Yes, ma'.

[A]

Am. So if you say, I've got a terminal illness, I've got this stage four pancreatic cancer and you can get two. I'm gonna. That day. That day.

[B]

Yes, ma'. Am.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Yeah. And we've had, we've had a significant amount of people, over 4,000 people have that happen to them. This is not, this is not me being some, you know, half baked journalist. This is data that everyone can read and see and look at themselves. It's very apparent this is happening. The Ontario Corono Report has come out recently explaining the amount of coercion and manipulation and wrongful deaths they believe. But it's pretty difficult to look at these and go, well, we messed up here. Well, that person's dead. So now what?

[A]

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[B]

The Ontario Corner Reports has claimed this as well.

[A]

They are also saying that some people don't want this.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And they are being manipulated into it. How is that happening?

[B]

Quite easily. It's, it's a societal contagion. So in Canada, the way that we work is our healthcare system is funded by the taxpayer.

[A]

Right.

[B]

So Health Canada has partnered with canmap. Well, canmap is the Canadian assessor of maid practitioners. Right. These are the people who get trained by a specific body which just to be very clear, the IP that is taught to the doctors, we're not legally allowed to see the IP meaning their programs, their education, how they do it, how they teach doctors we're not legally allowed to see even though they're a charity. A charity. Which means we should have legal access.

[A]

Who's a charity?

[B]

Dying with Dignity. Okay, so Dying with Dignity partners with people like canmap. Okay. It's a whole, it's like a top down go Health Canada here.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Very top. This is your government, this is your healthcare system. Now go down a line and this is called CanMap. These are the people that train all of the doctors. They go through the protocol. This is how you become a maid doctor. You have to go through it. It's a closed platform. We can't get access to it. We don't know what they're being taught. Health Canada bought the IP and education from canmap without even seeing it. So we don't know what's being taught into these schools and to these doctors and these practitioners. We're supposed to just trust it? Well, the same people that are on the board of Dying with Dignity, which are the largest pro death cult in the country, you all that is a charity. That is a charity. They are worth right now around 9 million on average. They spend about 700 to $800,000 promoting suicide on Meta on Facebook. So now we're talking about how do we get it to people. This is how we get it. They work with individuals in palliative care facilities, they work with them in hospices, they work with them with doctors, they advertise documentaries, their head doctors write books, they go on speaking tours, right? They slow drip this mentality. And these are the people Dying with Dignity that challenged the Supreme Court and they got this through the law. And this is a lobbying a group essentially. And the day I testified at the largest veteran suicide study that I just spoke about with Christine, that same day Senator Pamela Wallen from Saskatchewan, who has built her entire career off of veterans backs, was doing a backdoor closed meeting with Dying with Dignity and all of the senators of Canada to push the expansion for mental illness, right? So you have these lobbying arms that are also donated to by the government, multi millions of dollars from our government gives them to them grants. And then you have private donors who fund them as well. And they go around and they do these educational things at churches, they do them in veteran groups, they do them in nursing homes, they do them in libraries in my town to pensioners and they target the vulnerable and they say, you know what? When it's time to die, here's the paperwork and if you guys want to leave us your estate, that would be lovely too. So it's a slow drip. And then you get people like there's a TV show called Mary Kills people. It was based out in bc, it was on Netflix, talks about a doctor going rogue and euthanizing people, right? Then you have Apple TV who did the Today show, who did a whole episode on Dignitas which is the famous place in Switzerland you go to when you're wealthy and you die there. And they bragged about it, Right? So it's the entire globe right now is looking at this and going, how do we best manage our population density and our health care issues and our immigration problems? Oh, we just kill everyone. And here's the kicker that most Americans don't fully wrap their brain around. They could never imagine Americans having this done to them. But if Canada, in less than 10 years, has killed 100,000 people, let me show you a comparison that should maybe wake people up. During the war before the Holocaust, there was 200,000 German disabled and mentally ill individuals who were euthanized by their own medical system. Canada is about to surpass that number in 10 years to its own citizens and population again. So to think that this is just a Canadian issue. Well, the Netherlands euthanizes teenagers. The Dutch euthanizes teenagers. Belgium, they euthanized teenagers. And Canada isn't stopping at track one or track two. Next year we expand to mental illness. In March. We're disgusting mature minors in the Ahmed Report, in the parliamentary report, where they're discussing how if you have a child down to the age of 12 and they have a terminal illness and they decide they want to die with maid, the parents will be consulted, but ultimately the child's decision will be the one that is taken.

[A]

If it's a quote, unquote. I read that. Mature minor, which of course is completely subjective. Yes, it's an oxymoron.

[B]

True.

[A]

And it's also subjective. I mean, in addition to just being morally reprehensible and all of that.

[B]

Right.

[A]

But I just want to make clear.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

What we're talking about here in Canada, it is not legal yet, but considering it to be legal, that a child. Yes, a child will be able to choose to be murdered by the medical system if they have a terminal illness. And I suppose maybe even if they have some of kind of like a track two degenerative disease.

[B]

Well, it gets worse. We're going to babies now. So the College of Physicians in Quebec started talking about this in 2022. Nobody caught on, but now they brought it up again in 2025. The College of Physicians is suggesting that we should be able to euthanize babies 0 to 1 who are born with a. What they consider a disorder that will make their quality of life low. Okay. And it's not a coincidence when you actually start paying attention to it, because in 2023, the parliamentary Ahmed Report, which breaks down the expansion of MAID Discusses how we should be allowing mature minors down to 12. And at the same time Canada has removed the parental rights of medical care of children up to the age of 12. So once your child turns 12, you no longer have access to their medical records or their decision making. The 12 year old does. And at the same time we're talking about expanding to children down to the age of 12. Are we all seeing the correlation here? Right. So there is a concerted effort by these people to tell us that 12 and 13 year old, 14 year olds should have the right to end their lives. And I argue we don't let them vote, we don't let them drive, we don't let them stay home alone legally in the country, shoot guns, buy alcohol, get tattoos. But you want to tell me that a child with an underdeveloped frontal lobe has the capacity to handle the idea that they will never wake up from something ever again? That's so morally wrong? That's so. If you're just looking from like a basic common sense wrong, everything we know about the brain development wrong, it's all wrong. Yeah, but I'm the bad guy for saying we shouldn't kill kids, right?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What's hap, what's happening?

[A]

There's an adultification of kids that has gone on. Certainly this is in America too, just believing that you can choose your own gender, that you can make these major decisions. At the same time there's an infantilization of adults. Never like holding adults to the standard of actually being a grown up. But it's a very strange and disturbing convergence. You said something about overpopulation which I think you know this Malthusian dread. Thomas Malthus way back in the day believed that we were going to have overpopulation and we were going to have limited resources. So we really needed a curb population. We know that the Bill Gates foundation and so many other environmentalists believe this. I thought this was interesting. From the New York Times, this guy named Paul R. Erlich, he alarmed the world with the population bomb that was his best selling book in 1968. He just died at the age of 93. He was criticized because his predictions about overpopulation ruining the earth, they of course didn't come true. They never come true because human beings actually add to the environments that we are in, not just attract, we create more inventions that allow resources to be available to more people. I just think it's interesting that people like this. He didn't choose assisted suicide for himself. He didn't choose to take himself out of the population just because he was scared that the world was going to be too populous. He thought that he was valuable enough to stay here until the ripe old age of 93. But it's all of these other people, the veterans who can't speak for themselves but are disabled. The children, the babies, the sick, the elderly. Those people aren't worth enough to stick

[B]

around because we are a burden on the system, financially expensive. And we do understand a few things. Right. So we understand that if you're an injured veteran, you know, I got injured when I was 19 years old. Well, they're responsible to me till I'm 60. Right. That's an expensive ticket there, darling.

[A]

That's a really important point.

[B]

Yeah, we're very expensive. I mean all of our injuries, like every single one of them. Like for example, if Canada actually took accountability for my injuries, I wouldn't have to come to America for treatment.

[A]

And right now you do.

[B]

So American taxpayers who donated to Defenders of Freedom put me through brain treatment, not Canada.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

You know, when I needed psychedelic assisted therapy and I was going through all that stuff, heroic hearts, former army ranger, put me through treatment, you know, so there are, there are real realities in Canada we don't want to discuss. We don't want to discuss that we just gave another $2 billion to Ukraine and then two weeks later gave another 2 billion, over 25 billion to Ukraine. We don't want to discuss the hundred million we're giving to Indian students. We don't want to discuss how our homeless population has a high density of veterans. We don't want to discuss the over million people we brought into the country that's collapsing our health care system. We don't want to discuss the 23000 people that die on a wait list every year. The people over a million people who walked out of ers last year to the tune of like legitimately over a million people who did not see doctors. We don't want to discuss the wait list to see psychiatrists being 8 to 12 months. But we want to kill you the same day. Right. So I'm kind of done with. This is empathy, compassion and dignity conversation. Those are words same like the word made. Those are words that are meant to sanitize the reality of what this is. This is a doctor telling you I'm going to walk you into a room, I'm going to hook you up to two IVs and I'm going to push so much poison into your body that I actually have to paralyze you because you'll Convulse otherwise while your lungs filled with fluid and you drown to death in front of your loved ones. And then we're going to call it compassion. And to kick it off, we're going to give you guys a children's book and ask your children to watch too. Okay?

[A]

Wait, tell me.

[B]

Yeah, I got a lot, darling. So that lovely charity we spoke about, the dying with Dignity, they just think I'm just wonderful. They have a children's book, it's a coloring book. Talks about how we kill grandma and how it's compassionate and empathetic. How's beautiful?

[A]

Wow.

[B]

So we start. So just how the. The trans ideology movement started targeting children's bottom up, the mental illness in the terms of euthanasia and eugenics and all of these we target top down. And we're kind of meeting in the middle here, right? So it's pretty easy to justify. You know, Ali, you're going to lose your mind in a few years. You're not going to be able to feed yourself and eat. You know, you're gonna have to go into a palliative care facility which they're also defunding in Canada, and you can't get access to for pain management. So we don't want you to suffer. So why don't you sign this thing called an advance request so that in a little bit we'll give it to you. And then we. When you're not in your right mind, we'll just do it. And do you know what happens when that goes wrong? The case in Denmark, the grandmother, it's the very first thing I talk about in my book. This grandmother did an advanced request. She had dementia and she was going in and out of a spell. And her doctor put a sedative in her coffee, didn't tell her. And then they started to do the procedure and euthanize her. And she came to halfway through, she begged them to stop. And the doctor asked the family to hold her down and they did, and they killed her. And then the doctor wasn't charged. So I'm so sick and tired of this idea of empathy. I'm so sick and tired of this. This delusion of dignity because to kill a human isn't dignified. And I say that from lived experience, right? So I feel so called to protect the vulnerable population because I've seen what happens when government sees dollars and cents over human life. I see what happens when we kill 96% of our population with maid that are. Are white. I see it happening in America and your 13 states in one jurisdiction. I see it in your groups like Compassion and Choices is our dying with dignity who are worth $35 million, who partner with social justice groups. Okay, we got.

[A]

You have so much. And I just want to make sure.

[B]

Nightmare.

[A]

Because I. No, I. I don't want people to lose what you're saying because it is all so important. So I want to get to that compassionate choice component. But we're about to get into a whole segment about America, so I want to pause on one thing, because you're talking about what we are told happens in euthanasia, which is just this peaceful process where the family comes together and hold. Holds grandma's hand after she had dementia for 12 years. And then she passes peacefully into the night and wow, she had control over one last thing in her life, and that was the end. And then what actually happens? People waking up in the middle of it. People with mental health conditions getting pills to kill themselves. And then sometimes also, it's actually painful. And sometimes. I saw a story in Oregon because this is happening in the US as we'll get into. Took 137 hours. Hours because it wasn't working correctly. Now people get really squeamish when we're talking about death row inmates who have brutally raped and murdered a grandmother. It not being killed in under 30 seconds. They get super enraged about this. But if we're talking about a sick person in the hospital not being able to successfully die after over a hundred hours, it's like, well, that was just their choice.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

The reality is it's very brutal.

[B]

It is. And we have to stop pretending it's not.

[A]

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[B]

And a lot of people like to point and poke holes into my Research. So I lean on a lot of different people's research. For example, Dr. Joel Zivit runs Emory State University here in America. He's a Canadian, works down here, head of critical care and anesthesiology. He did the very first post mortem autopsy research on over 200 lethal injection patients because sodium thiopental stopped being allowed in America and they couldn't figure out why. And it's because it's a European product and they believe over there in the EU you cannot use any of our drugs to die. Cool. So we started diving in and over 80% of those patients of the lethal injections, he found that 80% of the individuals that were killed in the prison system with lethal injection had what's called heavy lungs. Lungs. Okay. And that can only happen during a procedure. Now, heavy lungs indicate death by waterboarding or death by drowning. So, yes, people will say, but Kelsey, that's not the drugs we use in Canada. You're right. Most of the drugs that kill you in Canada are actually the paralytic because we paralyze you first. Because it's easier to put somebody down if they're paralyzed first. Right. So there is a list of drugs that I provided your team. And you know, the propofol, which sounds normal, you know, chronium sounds normal, all of these. But in mass doses, it's, it's, it's poison on the body. So the body will fight. So that's why you have to use a paralytic first. So what happens if you change your mind or you're in pain? Well, you can't scream, you can't say anything. So regardless, in Canada, we do 99% of is euthanasia, which is IVs. The rest of it, the very 1%, is the cup. That's what America does. We give you a cup filled with poison. That's why it's called physician assisted suicide. I set the cup down in front of you filled with the poison and say, now you drink it. Okay. And that is what happens down here in America. And that's why you get the 137 hours to die. That's why you get the doctors that are manipulating language, calling things terminal anorexia and qualifying individuals. Out of Colorado, a young girl who had anorexia her whole life and was

[A]

struggling with it, which is a mental

[B]

condition, which is a mental health condition. And a doctor decided to change the terminology and call it terminal anorexia. And she was offered.

[A]

She was offered mate when she just needed food.

[B]

Absolutely.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

This is not A one off either. That's the worst part.

[A]

Yeah. Okay, let's talk about the fact that this is happening in the U. S Because we hear all of these stories of all different subjects from Canada we're like, hello, what is going on up there? This being probably the most disturbing, but this is happening in the United States too. I think people don't understand the scale.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So if you could tell us some facts on that.

[B]

Yeah, let's talk about it because I think it's really important so that you guys can protect yourself. Okay, so in America currently you have 13 states and one jurisdiction. Washington D.C. is your, your 14th essentially. Okay. So they are California, Colorado, Delaware, Hawaii, Illinois, Maine, Montana, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, which just signed in through Kathy Hogle. Oregon, Vermont, Washington and Washington D.C. now in Oregon and Vermont there is no residency requirement so anybody from anywhere can take a one way flight. Okay. Now the new legislations that's on the table currently are Virginia, Tennessee, Rhode Island, Pennsylvania, Missouri, Minnesota, Mass, Kentucky, Iowa, Arizona. And so the thing you have to understand about all of these different places is there's a group called Compassion and Choices like our dying with dignity who are lobbying your government quietly. And they have partnered with the social group, the Rabin group which partners with the Bill Gates foundation, the Obama foundation and bipoc and you name name a hard left they've worked with that to get that stuff moving. Okay. This organization is worth 33 to 35 million dollars based on their tax last year that I took a look at. Now these people are making a push also in Florida even though there's no legislation because they're targeting areas of a vulnerable population, an aging population. So they're working with the Rabin group to go around to these places and start slow dripping the ideology that we should be accepting this behavior before they bring in legislation to somebody like DeSantis. Okay. Because I feel like he's going to try to stop that. I'd hope. Thank God.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But you have senators who work with the compassion and choices and have these private meetings.

[A]

Do you know any of their names?

[B]

I have a long, long, long list I can send you. I think you should go through them.

[A]

Democrats and Republicans.

[B]

Yes, Montana was Republicans that voted it.

[A]

Right?

[B]

Yeah, that was an, that was a disturbing one.

[A]

Yeah. Montana is such a strange state. Yeah, such a strange state legislatively because it is so Republican, but it's not necessarily conservative and pro life.

[B]

Right. And that's what we're seeing. So they are using these groups, these social groups, these, you know, social justice, compassionate groups.

[A]

Right.

[B]

You're nailing it. And they're slow dripping the ideology to churches and to synagogues and to places and they're telling people, well, we, we want you to have control. We want you to not suffer. And my pushback is very simply this. There is a lot to be learned in suffering for the people around you that are witnessing and for yourself as well. And I'm not saying that without empathy. I'm saying it with an understanding that to experience life means to experience it all fully. And for us to sit there and play God is not something I'm ex, I'm okay with. Forget religion. You don't get to kill somebody because somebody's ideology told them it was acceptable behavior. And that's my struggle. So in the United States right now, you are slow rolling and compassionate choices. They're so smart. They put all their information out there for me to find. And they said it in their most recent YouTube video. By 2028, they will have over 50% of the American population living in states, states that kill as health care. But they've also stated what we stated. So that's why you have to be careful. They always start with track one and then they state very, very openly these senators. We just need to get the law through and then we will amend from there. So it will not stop at grandma with you. It will go the same way it goes, everywhere goes. And we'll go all the way down to babies and then we'll justify it because that's how it works. It's a slow drip mentality. That's my concern. I've reached out to, I'm speaking with a D.C. senator soon. I've reached out to, you know, friends of mine at the American Conservative Coalition. I've reached out to pretty much anybody who will allow me to talk about this to go, please, dear God, hear what I'm saying. Because once this is in your law, it is almost impossible to walk back.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And once your healthcare system sees this as a tool for saving and as an actual form of health care, you are naturally going to have people that enjoy doing it, whether we like to admit that or not.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And that's where we're at.

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[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Catholic organizations. You know, the Pope has said, which this is the official stance of the Catholic Church. They're against assisted suicide. I'm not Catholic, but I believe that that is the case.

[B]

It is, yeah.

[A]

And yet these organizations and some of these churches are being manipulated by compassionate choices into supporting dying with dignity.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Euthanasia. Tell me more about that. Yeah.

[B]

So compassion and choices in America loves to target those. And what they actually did, roughly it was 2017 before they allowed for this to go through in New York. They had an entire group put together where they went and they decided that they were going to law together. They're going to get a bunch of reverends, a bunch of priests together and they were going to say, yes, we, we don't want to do this, but we believe it's compassion. So Reverend, there was a senior pastor at a Baptist church, Reverend Johnny Green, Rabbi David Gordes, Reverend Valerie Ross, Reverend Dr. Richard Gilbert, Father Louis Baristo. And we have all of these individuals that came to New York and this was life, this was lifeway research. So they did a se survey of where the American people are at and they believe that people want this. And they say, you know, we've sat at the, at the deathbed of all these dying people and we don't want people to suffer. We should be able to allow them and accept them into this process of, of ending their lives without talking about the morality issue. Forget that. There's so much more to it. When you have Catholics, they're saying, or 59. This is from the survey. Specifically in 2020. Research. Research. Yeah. So the LifeWay research, 59 Catholics supported at 41 opposed. Catholics lean more than not, which is interesting for us. Protestants, not.

[A]

I'm sorry, not surprising. Catholics in general are the same way on abortion, despite the church's official stance. Catholics just lean liberal on every issue.

[B]

Exactly. Protestants, 42% in support, 58 opposed. Evangelicals 40% want, 60 opposed. They were the strongest opposition group.

[A]

Of course. Evangelicals always are. But it's not enough, right? 40 in favor. Yes. Of euthanasia is. I mean, way, way, way too much.

[B]

Yeah, I would think so.

[A]

That's insane.

[B]

Yeah. And they even go down to non Christian religions, 42 in percent similar to Protestants. Then we had 63 support. And the highest support were the unaffiliated 6. 63 of Catholics, 59, Protestants, 42, non Christian, 42 and evangelical, 40. And so when we're looking at it, they, they make the argument, right, about we just, we were having this conversation. They make the argument about, you know, if God is the individual who decides who we, you know, who takes life. And not. If you follow the Bible, most people, their whole life will go, I believe in this and I will not deviate until they see somebody suffering so in such an extreme pain. And then they flip.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And that's when the human comes in.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. But as you said, and I want to hear you talk about this a little bit more, there is an underlying assumption when we say compassion means alleviating suffering at whatever cost, that suffering is inherently evil or bad. I think the instinct to alleviate suffering is understandable, of course, especially as moms like, we all have that.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

But we also learned that if I avoid every single hardship for my child, then they will never grow, they'll never get the benefits that you get from some of that suffering. Now, there are limitations to that, of course, but when it comes to this, we're saying suffering is so bad that we have to end it, even if it means ending someone's life. That's a misunderstanding of the purpose of life and suffering.

[B]

Exactly. You're nailing it. You're nailing it perfectly. There's. There's not much more to say to it other than this is this life is designed to happen for you and not to you. And that is a choice you make. To be a victim or to be an individual who has gone through a significant amount of hardship and says, I can keep going because in spite of it creates character, it creates a different type of human, and it creates often a person who ends up changing the world. But if you devoid Somebody of suffering, they never get the opportunity to learn what they're capable of. And I'm not saying, obviously grandma's 96. We don't, you know, we know what grandma's capable. She's lived a whole life. But what is to be taught about saying that grandma. We should be euthanizing grandma because she's no longer. She's a bit of a burden. We have to go see her every Sunday. She, you know, she's not doing well. We have to go into that place. I don't want to go in. We're teaching our youth truth that people in our families are. Are disposable humans. Right. And we are moms. And I understand exactly what you're saying. But there is a level of suffering, I think that that creates a person that can change things and help people heal. But when we tell the world that no suffering is acceptable at all, that is disproportionate and completely wrong and frankly creates a victim mindset that I am not okay with with.

[A]

You make a good point that a lot of this could be actually not about alleviating pain for the person who is dying, but alleviating discomfort and inconvenience for the family.

[B]

There you go. That's exactly what it is. Right? Because we're no longer worried about the person. Cuz we've heard people, you know, we had a. We had a case recently in Ontario. Mrs. B. Mrs. B didn't want to die. She applied for MAID a while ago and her husband was suffering from caregiver syndrome. Him. Okay. He was burnt out because Health Canada just stopped caring. And they went into the ER again that next day after she said, I don't want maid. She said, based on my religion, I've changed my choice. I don't want maid. I want palliative care in hospice. And they denied her that and they killed her the same day. Wow. So we have people who. There's a case in B.C. when we could do case after case. There's case in B.C.

[A]

and B.C. is British Columbia.

[B]

Sorry, British Columbia. I live there. Sorry. And it's just above Washington state. And husband decided, he made him. He made a maid plan for his wife that she did not want. They had to remove her from his custody because they did not trust him because she was trying, he was trying so hard to get her euthanized.

[A]

Well, at least she was protected in that case. That's probably not always the case.

[B]

No, that's not. And we know that because coercion is real. Slow dripping is real. If you tell somebody slowly every day, say, you know, it's just really expensive to get care for you. It's just been really hard to look after you. I'm really tired. I'm really exhausted. The kids are having a hard time seeing you like this. That is the carrot that dangles in front of the veterans and the homeless and the addicts and the mentally ill and the disabled. And when your discernment is not there and you're already struggling with pain and you can't, because I have been there, where I cannot imagine being able to breathe. Breathe tomorrow. That weight is so heavy. Just inhaling is so heavy. So now imagine your loved one slowly saying, I just don't want you to suffer anymore. I don't want you to struggle anymore. These are these little tiny moments that we are slowly telling somebody that their life is no longer worth living because it's difficult to look after them. So what are you slowly saying? You're saying, here's an option, and you know, if you choose to take it, we won't be mad at you. Do you know how heartbreaking that is?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

To say that we should just. We should just go and kill Grandma.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then we set a precedent for that family. It's not a big deal because we killed Grandma. So when Mom. Mom's now sick.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Well, why not we just kill Mom?

[A]

And why wait till she's 96? She's not feeling good when she's 50.

[B]

Hun. When. Here's my. Here's my fear. When March of 2027 comes these numbers.

[A]

That is the mental. Okay, so it's not March of this year, it's March of next year.

[B]

Right.

[A]

That maid will be allowed for mental health, which, by the way, is already completely subjective. Thank you. Because you could have. You're about to have a baby. You had a baby. I've had three myself. You go through some postpartum blues. They're temporary, but they feel like forever.

[B]

Y.

[A]

And I. I didn't go through this much darkness, but I know women who have. Who literally felt like they're not themselves. They feel like they don't want to live anymore, but they get over it. Thank God they get over that. But of course, that's the fear. It's all wrong, no matter what. Right. But that you have someone going through something who needs help, they need support, and instead they're going through postpartum depression. The mom is killed.

[B]

And you know what the most heartbreaking thing is? Is this isn't even the first time I talked about it on trigonometry in 2023 we had go into a hospital in Vancouver saying I'm suicidal and I feel in fear for myself. And the nurse sat down, put her hand on her lap and said have you thought about maid? So we have to understand that there are going to be ups and downs in life and if you live in Canada, according to the bank of Canada, we have to get used to a lower standard of living. So get used to it. We're in one of the hardest recessions. Our dollar is worth nothing. Our housing is being taken over by indigenous communities and our land is worth nothing. We're being stripped of our rights and our freedom of speech, our gun rights, our rights to move. We're falling into a very scary place to live in my country. And then we're now slow rolling a time where you can't see a doctor for health care but you can be mated the same day. So we're going down a very scary road. And like my friend Malice says, it's not a, it's not a slippery slope anymore. Kelsey. It's an elevator shaft draft and by the time this happens next year there is one bill, it's called Bill C218. Alberta is putting a new bill through. It's coming out, they're going to announce it this week where they're going to enforce stopping track two in Alberta. It has to go province by province. So they are putting it in. So track two, mentally ill mature minors, not even a conversation. So hopefully Alberta gets that through. But we do have One called Bill C218 where people can go and they can reach out to their, their mp, to their, their municipal individuals and say I don't support this and we can actually stop made for mental illness. But we have I think until the end of April and if we don't stop it by then, it starts legally being enforced starting March of 2027. And like I said, they've already suggested mature minors in the Ahmed report, which means it's a plan. And CanMap does a conference once a year and they're doing it again at the end of April in Montreal where they're talking about the next decade of what Canada is going to look like. And I promise you on, on my life, if mental illness goes, this is going to be the tip of the a hundred thousand is going to be

[A]

the tip of the ice.

[B]

It's not even a scratch the surface.

[A]

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[B]

Oh yeah, yeah. I've had people arrested. I've had people for stalking and the death threats. Oh yeah.

[A]

Or is this at the behest of the government?

[B]

Made has been what they've stated. So all I have and all I can go after. So the first one was the government. The Veterans Affairs a few years back during the Justin Trudeau saga of tyranny decided that they were going to sell 50% of the veterans care to Manulife insurance. And Manulife would follow me around with p trying to say that my disabilities were fraudulent. And then last year when I started speaking after I did trigonometry, that kind of really went viral and we were talking about this and then I did the episode on Jordan Peterson where we talked about the drugs and it exploded. And I didn't expect that. I've never had that happen. And some people started getting really angry online. And there was one particular guy whose wife was denied maids because she was dying and he deemed it was my fault. And so he found out where I lived and threatened my family and found out where my kid went to school and we had to get the federal police involved and he was arrested in December of last year.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

And so I'm not naive to where I'm at. I don't quite have a big enough show yet to have what you guys kind of have here, security wise. So I'm just very careful about where I move, how I move, where I go. I just try to blend into stuff and I just try to be honest with. I know that I was put in a position. I, I survived overseas, I survived what I went through because of my community, because God told me I could do something deeper. He told me when I was four. Just keep talking. We'll. We'll do something with that voice. Just give it time. And for, like, most of my childhood, it was hell, but, like, give it time, give it time. And then I just kept pushing and tried to show people they could have a safe space to talk on my show. And then that's when the veterans started coming forward and saying, this is happening. Can you do something about it? And I have a little bit of a different approach than most people. I'm a little more aggressive than most people, but I'm relentless. And so I can be threatened and I can be all of these things, X, Y and Z, but it's not going to stop me from telling the world what you're doing.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So the consequences will be what the consequences will be, but I know I am protected, and I lean into that.

[A]

Yeah. How can people who are watching get involved?

[B]

Oh, yeah. So if you're in Canada, you can reach out to all of your local mps, your. Your senators, everyone, and say if you ever want to be voted in again, you're stopping this right away. You can reach out to the CRA and say, hey, are these really non profits that we should be allowing in our country when they just advertise killing? That's always great.

[A]

And the CRA is.

[B]

Is the Canadian Revenue Agency. Okay, that's always great. In America, you can reach out to the senators. I have a substack where I have put every link to every senator to every piece of legislation, and I write on maid three days a week. And then I have the Kelsey Sharon perspective where I'm the only podcast in the globe where I cover this five days a week. So if you can handle the dark humor in this, we give you a ton of resources where you can find out how to stop it, who you can reach out to, and how you can really start to slow this in America and hopefully roll it back. Because if you don't, I promise you, you guys and your population density are going to make Canada look like nothing. And I don't want this for you guys.

[A]

Me neither. Well, thank you, Kelsey, so much. Thank you for being the canary in the coal mine. And unfortunately, that is what Canada is for the United States in so many ways. And I don't wish that for Canada. I want the best for our Canadian friends. But I am thankful there are people like you who are sounding the alarm and looking down at your friends here and saying, hey, like, y' all have a problem too. Y' all need to Figure this out before it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It starts getting out of your control.

[B]

So, yeah. Thank you. And it's just important to state that I'm not alone in this fight. I have had a lot of really amazing mentors from the Euthanasia Prevention Coalition. Doctors, private surgeons will come up to me and, like, tell me things and give me evidence and proof. And, you know, I can't do what I do without people who are willing to back me. And I gotta say, I've never been in the pro life community before, but I have never seen so much support in my life coming across the board of people who just want to see this stop and weren't sure how to make it loud. And now they're really starting to back this. So, yeah. I am so eternally grateful. Grateful from anybody from any era who just wants to see this message stop. So it is important to make sure we acknowledge the people that really help me out, because it's a big deal. I can't do it on my own.

[A]

Well, you know, we pro lifers, we just have the same motto when it comes to euthanasia as we do with abortion, that killing an innocent person is always wrong.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Killing an innocent person is always wrong. End of story. And if you're for euthanasia or you're for abortion, you. You have to tell, you have to explain to me why you think it's okay to sometimes kill an innocent person. I don't really need to defend my common sense position. You tell me why some murder is okay.

[B]

God, you're so refreshing.

[A]

Well, so are you, and I'm very grateful for you. And we will be praying. We have a phrase on the show called sharing the arrows. That when arrows are lodged towards an ally, instead of saying, oh, I'm so glad that's not me, we stand up and we say, you know what? Whatever arrows you're sending towards her, I'll take them too. Because I also believe that. And everyone in this audience is going to do that. Praying for you, supporting you, subscribing to you, and just encouraging you, especially as you are about to have a baby, because it's a crazy time.

[B]

Oh, yeah, she's been. It's been busy. But you know what? That's why you just. Yeah, take it. You're. You're given the time and the opportunity you can, and you just run as quickly as you can and save as many as you can.

[A]

Totally. Thank you so much, Kelsey.

[B]

Thank you,

[A]

Sa.