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Ep 1370 | Tyler Robinson Hearing: What You Missed & What’s Next
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Allie Beth Stuckey
What really happened to Charlie Kirk on September 10, 2025. The preliminary hearing that occurred last week gives us some insight at least into what the prosecution thinks. Some people are not buying it. We will go through the evidence presented as well as the counter claims on today's episode. Also, Senator Lindsey Graham from South Carolina has suddenly died, and we've got a short tribute to the courage that he showed, particularly in 2018 during the Kavanaugh hearing. We've got all of that, as well as mails on today's episode of Relatable. Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Monday. Hope everyone had a wonderful weekend. We are back after being gone for a week. You got to listen to some interviews that we had pre recorded, but we took a little break as a relatable team and my family as well. We've been kind of bopping around the country as a family. We have gotten to spend time with extended family and friends and it's been really wonderful. We tried to escape the heat as long as we could. We had a wonderful and restful 4th of July and I hope you guys did too. I've got some good news after we've been off for a little while and I just wanted to double check this because after I've been gone for a while, you typically have to check back in and see if it's still true. And it is that God's eternal plan of redemption is going off without a hitch. God is not surprised by anything. He's not taken aback. He's not thrown off. He's not wondering what the heck is going to happen. He's not looking down and saying, how are these details going to work together? Romans 8:28 promises us that he is working all things together for the good of those who love him and are called according to his purpose. That's the seemingly mundane things in our everyday life. That's the sad parts of our current circumstance. It's also the crazy, chaotic things going on in the world. It's the things that you see on social media or on the news and you're like, how in the world is anything redemptive or good going to come out of this? God's already working that out. Because God is not constrained by linear time and space the way that we are. He is suspended in the eternal now. He is sovereign over all of it, and he already tells us that how it's going to end. He wins. He wins. Psalm 37 is such a comfort to me. It starts out by saying, don't be envious of wrongdoers don't worry about this is Ali's paraphrasing. Those who do wrong, those who seem like they're profiting off of doing evil, don't worry about them because their end is coming one day it's not going to go well for them. Ultimately, it might seem like it's going well for them. Now that what it is to live in a fallen world. It seems like those who are unfair and unjust are on the side of victory. But in the end they will lose and God will destroy them. And we can trust in that. And we can trust that. I think that we see some of that goodness in this life, that God gives us that gift of grace, that very often we do see justice overcome injustice. But we know that ultimately one day in eternity, Jesus will end sin and sorrow and sickness in all oppression and injustice and deceit and slander and Satan's power forever and ever. And that is where our hope and our joy comes from. And that is why we don't act like people who don't have hope. That is why we don't allow our mood to be dictated by the things we see on social media or our joy to be stolen from us by circumstances. Even though we have emotions, we are not ruled by them. We are ruled by the hope that we have in Christ, that his eternal plan of redemption is going off without a hitch. And the only thing we are ever responsible to do in any given moment is to do the next right thing in faith, with excellence and for the glory of God. Do the next right thing in faith with excellence and for the glory of God. That might be sending an email that might be resolving sibling conflict, that might be changing a diaper with joy, that might be washing the dishes. Well, maybe it is some big public act of faith that God has been calling you to and you follow that conviction of the Holy Spirit. Or maybe it's something that is completely unsung and unseen, but is done in faithfulness to the God who made you. The beautiful thing about being a believer is that everything that we do, no matter how seemingly small, echoes in eternity and advances God's kingdom. That is the purpose of all of this. So I'm so thankful for that because as we talk about some of the things that we'll talk about today, the pre trial hearing for Charlie Kirk and some of the just chaos and deceit and the sadness and the evil that's surrounding that, it's really easy to just get distraught and to ask ourselves like, does the truth really matter? Is goodness really going to prevail. And we just have to trust that we are on the side of a God who's taking care of all of it. And somehow in everything he brings himself glory and takes care of his people. And if you want to know what is really ever going on, it's that. It's that God is in charge and he's working all things together for the good of those who love Him. All right, so we'll get into a little bit of that today, actually into a lot of that today. We might continue to talk about that throughout the week. We definitely will on Friday, but we might continue some things on Wednesday. But we'll get into as much as we can of this pre trial hearing, some of the theories out there and what the truth is based on the evidence that we have. Before we get into it. Just want to remind you women, if you want to be encouraged by the truth of God's word, if you want to be encouraged by God's sovereignty, if you want to know how to apply biblical truths to your life as a wife, as a mom, as a single woman, as a student, as an employee, in any stage of womanhood that you are in, then you've got to come to Share the Arrows. This is a no fluff gospel centered women's conference. It's happening October 10th, Dallas, Texas y'.
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Caller/Listener
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Allie Beth Stuckey
We have all the no fluff gospel centered Bible teachers that will be speaking at this conference. We've got Rosaria Butterfield. She is making her re entrance onto the Share the Arrows stage. We've got Elisa Childers and Natasha Crane. We've got Audrey Brogy and her daughter Grace Anna Castleberry. We've got a relay to BRO for the first time Costi hen and we've got Shane and Shane leading worship, y'.
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Lance Twigs
All.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
I personally can't wait. Like just as someone who is going to be standing in the audience and worshiping and gleaning this teaching along with you as well as speaking like I just cannot wait to be with you all. So go to sharethe arrows.com Share the arrows this year is brought to you by our friends at Adele Natural Cosmetics. Go to share the arrows.com get your tickets today. Bring your friends, bring your small group, bring all the women in your life. You will not regret it. Anyone who has gone can tell you this is a very special day. That's share the arrows.com all right, before we get into the pre trial hearing of Charlie Kirk, everything presented there, I do just want to mention that we lost a political giant over the weekend in The US and his name was Lindsey Graham. I was shocked by this when I woke up. I think it was Sunday morning. And I looked at Instagram and I saw the Fox News post that said, that said that he had passed away. And I was just stunned just because it was so sudden. And he seemed like someone who was going to be a pillar of American political life for forever. So a little bit about him. Senator for South Carolina. He died at the age of 71 on Sunday. It might have actually been Saturday evening that he actually passed. But he represented South Carolina since 2003, so he represented the state both as a congressman and as a senator during that time. He died reportedly of an aortic tear due to cardiovascular disease, according to preliminary findings by the District of Columbia medical examiner. There's already all kinds of theories surrounding his death. He had just been to Ukraine. He was examining some weaponry there. But this does seem, as the reporting says, to be something that is somewhat common. I'm actually kind of familiar with this disease. There is a member of our family who thankfully was able to go to the doctor and realize that this was a defect that he had in his heart and he was able to have surgery and, and he's okay. But this is very common for people with heart problems to have this particular issue. And it is very, it is very deadly. And maybe the long flight from Ukraine exacerbated these issues or stress or all the things that he had going on. And so pray for his family, especially his sister. He lost his parents really within, I think about 15 months of each other when he was a young man. And then he entered into the Air Force so he could support his sister, get a salary from the Air Force, take care of her. She was only 13 when their parents died and he took her into custody and took care of her. And I'm sure she's hurting a lot right now, so pray for them. He served in the US Air Force and the Air Force Reserve, retiring as a colonel after a 33 year career. So we thank him for his service to. There was a lot of ugliness online about Senator Graham. And look, I, I didn't really have a strong opinion about him. I'm sure there were a lot of things he advocated for that I really agreed with and really appreciated. As a fellow Republican, I'm sure there were things that I disagreed with or I wish that he was stronger on, but man on the right and the left, this guy had a lot of very intense enemies who have no moral compass whatsoever. I read an email this morning from the Wall Street Journal, Matthew Hennessy wrote this. He said, the best thing you can do when someone dies is say a prayer. If that isn't your thing, find something nice to say. If neither of those options work for you, there's a third option. Shut up. Politics creates winners and losers. Losing creates bitterness. And those who weren't raised right or a little stupid, that bitterness will express itself in ugly ways. Social media practically demands it. You know, it's really not that difficult when someone dies to take a breather and not say anything. I saw people saying good riddance. I saw people spreading all different kinds of really nasty rumors about him. No decency, no compassion whatsoever. There are all kinds of people in life who really adamantly disagree with us, even advocated for things that we really didn't like or think are evil. And you can just take a beat. Like, I remember when Ruth Bader Ginsburg died. I mean, she advocated for horrific, demonic things like abortion through her Supreme Court arguments and decisions. And yet there was nothing in me that felt compelled to say something angrily about her after she died. There are just measures of decorum that we should take when someone passes, whether we liked them or not. There are two things that I keep seeing about Senator Graham in the wake of his death. One is that he was really funny. I've heard that from Democrats on Democrats on the left, and then also conservatives on the right that he was genuinely hilarious. And then the second thing that I thought was really cool and very rare in politics and in media and any form of public life, but I kept on seeing a similar story from people saying that, hey, I criticized Senator Graham. I really didn't like him. I said all this stuff. But when I met him, even though he knew the things I thought about him, he was kind to me. For example, Ben Dominic, he said this. I called Lindsey Graham a dangerously insane neocon. And the next time we saw each other, he hugged me and said, everyone's got an opinion. Heard a very similar story from a lot of people on X yesterday. He was a big driver of Donald Trump's agenda. Since his death, Trump has said that he was like family to him and a really skilled politician. Hearing Trump on these various news shows talk about Lindsey Graham has been surprising to me. You just don't see Trump express a lot of emotion. Even after Charlie Kirk was assassinated, obviously very horrifically died. Trump and Charlie Kirk were close. Trump was very kind about it and everything, but there wasn't a lot of emotion, at least that I saw publicly. And that's just kind of how he is or how he presents himself when he talks about Lindsey Graham. He has talked about Lindsey Graham being basically like a part of. Of his family, like I said, like being really close to him. And that has just surprised me, hearing such emotion and feeling behind Trump's words. He also said that if he was ever having problems with the Democrat, then he would always call Lindsey Graham, and Lindsey Graham could figure it out. He was really the kind of person that would reach across the aisle and try to hash things out, and that is what makes an effective politician. One moment, I think, for me, that illustrates Graham's tenacity was when he just completely eviscerated the Democrats during the Kavanaugh hearings. He pointed out that they didn't want to find the truth, that they were just trying to ruin a man's life. That was really the first political moment for me in which I got actively involved. Like I was in D.C. during those hearings. I give a speech at a rally because I thought it was so immoral and wrong what they were doing to then Judge Kavanaugh. And I was so thankful that Senator Graham, he had the strength and he had the courage, he had the tenacity to call them out for exactly what he was doing. So no matter what you think about Senator Graham's foreign policy, what you think about any of the other policies that he advocated for, this took courage, and I appreciate it.
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Senator Lindsey Graham
So, one, when you see Sotomayor and Kagan, tell them that Lindsey said hello because I voted for them. I would never do to them what you've done to this guy. This is the most unethical sham since I've been in politics. And if you really wanted to know the truth, you sure as hell wouldn't have done what you've done to this guy. Are you a gang rapist? No. I cannot imagine what you and your family have gone through. Boy, y' all want power. God, I hope you never get it. I hope the American people can see through this sham.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
That line right there. Y' all want power? Boy, I hope you never get it. I mean, that is as good of a line as any screenwriter could ever write. I mean, that was. That was so good and so powerful. And he goes on to say to his fellow Republicans, if you vote no on him, then you are legitimizing one of the most corrupt, corrupt grabs for power that he has ever seen. And, you know, he had been in D.C. for a long time, and he even went through which. You can watch this on X. You can probably watch it on YouTube as well. The entire scheme that occurred that was woven by people like Dianne Feinstein leading up to the Kavanaugh hearings. It was just so good. So, so thankful for his courage and for him advocating for the things that he really believed in very effectively and very relentlessly for 20 plus years of his political career. All right, let's get into the Charlie Kirk preliminary hearing. Let me pause, tell you about our first sponsor. It's Seven Weeks Coffee. So thankful for seven Weeks. This is Pro Life coffee company. We love Seven Weeks Coffee in our home. It tastes great. We love that it's totally clean, that it is mold free, pesticide free, sustainably sourced, all of that good stuff. And we love that they donate 10% of every sale to pregnancy centers across the country. They have donated about $2 million to these pregnancy centers. As you guys know, this translates into real resources for moms who want to choose life. But maybe they feel alone. Maybe they feel like they don't have anything. They walk into these pregnancy centers and they hear the truth of the gospel. They hear the truth about the dignity of their baby inside the womb and that.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
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And plus, I really am passionate about connecting you to businesses, organizations, universities that align with our values. I am so particular about the sponsors that I have on this show, and I really want to add value to them and add value to you. All right, let's talk about this Charlie Kirk preliminary hearing. Every time I say something like that, I still am coming to terms with the fact that we are talking about this. I so often I'll see a headline or I'll see like, Charlie Kirk assassination or Charlie Kirk's widow, us. I'LL see words like that. And I'm like year ago, me like 20, 25 me seeing something like that would not be able to wrap my head around what we are talking about right now. Sometimes it still just hits me that someone that hundreds of us in the movement were friends with and who can say that we appreciated and that we benefited from their wisdom and from their leadership, that we lost someone on video being shot in the neck by someone who hates him. And now he has left behind this beautiful wife, beautiful children who are trying to pick up the pieces and lead this movement, deal with the online slander and insane conspiracy theories, go through this pretrial hearing, try to present the, the prosecution tried to present the evidence as much as possible. Like the fact that all of this is happening is just insane. And if we feel anything like, if we feel burdened, if we feel sad, we can amplify that times a million. When it comes to the people closest to him, those who worked with him every day, those were who were his friends. And then most of all, Erica and her kids. So and his parents, of course, his parents also attended this preliminary hearing. So right off the top, every time you think about this, every time you're just hit with that feeling of shock that this actually happened. Pray for Erica, pray for those kids, pray for his parents, pray for his sister, pray for those who were closest to Charlie up until the day that he died and pray that God would give them the peace that passes all understanding and that justice would be done, the justice would be done because it matters to the God who created justice. So speaking of justice, let's go through this preliminary hearing. Let's talk about the evidence that was actually presented in some of the theories that are still floating around out there. So the preliminary hearing began in Provo, Utah last Monday to determine whether there is probable cause to try Tyler Robinson in the murder of Charlie Kirk. This is the dude that has been in jail accused of murdering Charlie Kirk. He faces seven criminal charges, the heftiest being aggravated murder. We will have an attorney possibly on Wednesday, but definitely another one on Friday who will be breaking down some of this legal use for us. So if you've got questions in the next couple days after this comes out specifically for an attorney, please send them to me and we will try to get those questions to them and get them answered on this show this week. After the week long hearing, state prosecutors presented evidence that Robinson fired a single shot, Scott killing Kirk at a Turning Point USA event on the Utah Valley University campus on September 10, 2025. The hearing adjourned on Friday, which also marked exactly 10 months since Charlie's assassination. Again, I can't imagine just the emotional toll that that took on Erica, specifically that specific day. In the next few weeks, defense and prosecution will file legal briefs explaining their arguments. The court will return on September 1st. So right around that year, anniversary, I don't want to call it an anniversary, but the year to the day that Charlie was assassinated. Attorneys then will present their final arguments and Judge Tony Graff will determine whether the case should go to trial. The pause is intended to give both sides time to prepare legal briefs. If probable cause is found in these pre trial proceedings, then Robinson will enter a pledge plea and a trial date will be set. So September 1st is not even the trial date. The trial date is sometime in the future. It could be in 2027. We don't actually know when the actual trial is going to start. Prosecutors have stated they intend to seek the death penalty, which if he is proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, then the death penalty is completely proportionate. It is completely just. They should seek the death penalty. Now. The defense is going to do everything they can to make sure that the death penalty is not on the table. That might be the only thing that they can really do after the evidence is presented is try to get that punishment conviction or get the punishment, the sentencing down as much as possible. But it is just, it is actually the only just outcome for the assassin of Charlie Kirk or anyone else. And that's not my standard of justice. That's God's standard of justice. He tells us that in Genesis 9, not Old Testament law, pre civilizational principle that we see in Genesis 9. So let's go through some of the most notable moments during the hearing. At the start of the hearing Monday, Robinson was reportedly laughing with his returning attorney. News Nation senior correspondent Brian Inton reported this. Seen from inside the Tyler Robinson courtroom, Erica Kirk was crying before the hearing started. Donald Trump Jr. Is in the front with his wife. Tyler Robinson was laughing with his attorney before the hearing started. Erica laughter in the description of the shooting, he reportedly showed no reaction while hearing the audio of a surveillance video showing Charlie being shot. However, Judge Graff visibly flinched in the video. The video itself wasn't being played to the whole courtroom or the public out of respect for the Kirk family because it was so graphic. The court only heard the audio, but Graff actually watched it on his monitor and you can see him flinch, which just goes to show how awful it was. He knew what he was about to watch right There in court, he was anticipating it, and still, because of how violent and jarring it was, the judge who is really tasked with being as impartial as possible, he could not even contain just his instinctive reaction there. On Friday, the court played a surveillance video that prosecutors said showed Robinson on the rooftop where he allegedly fired the bullet that hit Charlie. Jack Posobic was there. He saw that video from the courtroom. Here's what he said. 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Jack Posobic
You see him shooting Charlie, you see him executing Charlie. It's the most damning thing I've seen all week for Tyler Robinson. With. With the zoom in it, it just changes everything. It's like. It's like watching a completely different video. The video that we see played on that monitor is so much more clear than the video that's on the live stream. When you see him walking around, it's not just a blurry guy or a pixelated guy. It's Tyler Robinson. It's just very obviously when he's there in the red shirt and the shorts and he comes back in all black, it's still. It's the same guy. It's just obviously him. There's no question about it. It's so crystal clear. And every single one of these videos needs to be released publicly in its raw form so that everyone can see that.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
Yeah, we haven't been able to see that. That version of that video as the public. There was some back and forth, forth. Some people saying that it was super clear and super zoomed in. Other people who are apparently at the trial saying, no, it's not at all. But what it actually seems to land on, what the truth seems to be, is that, yes, this is much higher quality than anyone in the public has seen. And, yes, it does seem, at least according to people like Jack Bosobic, that this video clearly shows someone who looks exactly like Tyler Robinson. Which, of course, is exactly why. Is exactly why the prosecution presented it. Okay, let me take a quick pause before we continue on and talk to you about Hillsdale College. So thankful that there are still universities who care about the truth, who want their students to receive an education, who want their students to love their country and understand the principles upon which our country was founded. That certainly true of Hillsdale. For nearly 3,000 years, the great books of Western civilization have shaped the way that people think about things like courage and virtue, temptation, war, family, leadership, human nature. These works have endured because they wrestle with the permanent questions of human life. And that is why Hillsdale offers free online courses on the greatest works of Western tradition. These free online courses are taught by Hillsdale College professors and draw from the same great books and enduring ideas studied on Hillsdale's campus. Homer's the Odyssey, for example, is one of the foundational works of Western literature. And there is a new free course by Professor Benedict Whelan and that guy students through Homer's timeless epic exploring enduring questions about courage, loyalty, leadership, temptation, family, search for home. If you are like I want to be smarter, I want to be more learned, I want to understand more Western civilization in the country in which God has providentially placed us, then you can access this course as well as 40 free online courses from Hillsdale just by going to Hillsdale Edu Relatable to enroll. It's totally free. Read the classic study the West. Start right now at Hillsdale Edu slash Relatable. According to the Associated Press, the defense tried to cast doubt on the reliability of the evidence presented by the prosecution. Like this surveillance footage, as well as other surveillance footage also presented, which we'll get into in just a second, was DNA evidence that the prosecution put forth and the defense tried to cast doubt on that as well. The defense's strategy in casting doubt on and trying to stop the presentation of the prosecutor prosecution's case and evidence really lengthened the process according to legal analyst. Josh Ritter is a legal analyst and he argued this up for in a
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Josh Ritter
normal world, they would have been able to put in all of this evidence in about two days. I mean, this is not the type of evidence that should take five days long to present. It's because of the defense and their obstructionism in this whole thing and the objections to evidence that we've already argued about weeks ago that is prolonging all of this, this honestly, in a normal courtroom that we've been in many times before, you could have handled all of this evidence, including what we've seen today in a day or two.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
Okay? So that is clearly the defense's mechanism right now. This is their strategy. It's not to say, hey, I don't think that this guy did it. It seems to me, obviously we'll see fully in the trial what they tried to do and some of their pre trial arguments. We'll learn a little bit more about their what their strategy is going to be, but they're simply trying to say we don't want you to present this and we're not really sure if this should be presented. Maybe this should be redacted. Maybe we can cast doubt on this, which I think is very telling, especially for those who have presented all different kinds of theories of who really killed Charlie Kirk. So far, we haven't seen seen the defense give credence to any of the online theories that we have about Tyler Robinson not really being on campus and not really being the guy. We'll get into more of that in a second. First, let's look at the evidence that has been presented by the prosecution thus far. First, we've got the surveillance footage. So the prosecution showed surveillance surveillance footage that allegedly put Tyler Robinson, who was not a UVU student, on campus four times between September 10 and September 11, 2025. Charlie was murdered on September 10. As a reminder, according to former Utah State Bureau of Investigation agent David Hull, Robinson first arrived on campus about 8:30am parking his gray Dodge Challenger in the UVU parking garage. The suspect was dressed in a maroon shirt, gray or olive shorts, and Converse sneakers. He then interacted with Turning Point USA members before leaving campus in the vehicle about 9:25am that is on September 10th. At about 10am the suspect was seen eating a meal at the on campus Chick Fil A. He was wearing the same outfit with a blue backpack. He then went to a wooded area near campus, reportedly, and then returned to campus without the backpack. He walked off campus about 11am returning at about 12:15 wearing different clothes but the same shoes. This is the prosecution's case. From what they presented with the surveillance footage on his return, he was walking with a noticeable limp. Prosecutors allege he was concealing the rifle in his pant leg. Footage allegedly shows him heading toward the low C building, climbing over a railing onto the rooftop. Okay. And so we can see the video, if you're watching this, of this guy in the different outfit now walking with a limp. The shot was fired at 12:23pm and some of the footage that was shown in court, people like Jack Bosobic say that that did actually show that moment of the shooting. The suspect allegedly left the rifle wrapped in a towel in wooded areas near campus after the shooting and returned about at about 12:30am on September 11 in an attempt to retrieve it. During the manhunt, Hole testified that Robinson was driving a gray Dodge Challenger and. And a campus police officer who briefly spoke with him before he left campus took down his license plate number, which the officer used to identify the owners of the vehicle as Robinson and his mother, Amber Robinson. And then also we have the fact that Tyler Robinson did turn himself in. There's a still image from publicly released surveillance footage aired on the news in September 2025. And that is what prompted Robinson's mother to recognize him. She and her husband then confronted their son, convinced him to turn himself in. And we just need to say, shout out to Mr. And Mrs. Robinson for having the character and the courage to do that. A lot of people would put the protection of their child over justice and over what is objectively right and wrong. And that took a lot. That took a lot for them to convince their child to turn himself in after committing, allegedly, such an egregious act. Court also showed footage of Robinson turning himself in. This was the first public viewing of that surrender video. He surrendered at the Washington County Sheriff's Office and was subsequently booked into the Utah County Jail in Provo. Special Agent Brian Davis confirms and describes the suspect turning himself in. SOP 5. The reason you went down there was you had been told that an individual wanted to turn themselves in.
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Senator Lindsey Graham
That's correct.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
Did you observe that individual?
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Senator Lindsey Graham
I did.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
Did you speak with this individual that we've been talking about? Yes, I did. Did you get his name?
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Senator Lindsey Graham
Yes, we obtained his name and date of birth.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
What was his name?
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Senator Lindsey Graham
Tyler Robinson.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
All right, then there was also the DNA evidence. According to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, atf, the DNA Section Chief Caitlin Oliver, the DNA profile on the rifle was 1 trillion times more likely to have originated from Tyler Robinson than from anyone else. And that's just how it works. If you think that's weird wording to say, like 1 trillion or times more likely, that's just what they do. That is true in all of these cases. What are the chances that this is the DNA that corresponds with this person? That's the language that's used. So she says. One trillion times more likely to be Tyler Robinson's DNA. So it is Tyler Robinson's DNA. DNA from Robinson and his lover, Lance Twigs. Ooh, was on the screwdriver found on the low C rooftop where the shooter allegedly took the shot. And on the rifle and towel found in bushes near the UVU campus. The towel was. Was wrapped around the weapon to conceal it, and the screwdriver would have been needed to disassemble and reassemble it. So DNA Lance Twiggs's DNA on these items, or at least the towel as well. And Amanda Backer, an FBI forensic DNA analyst slash examiner, explains this. 7.
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Amanda Backer
You testified about Exhibit 7 and 8, that they both had mixtures.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
When I calculated the statistic, twigs DNA profile aligned with the 5% contributor. And Mr. Robinson's DNA profile aligned better with the 95% contributor.
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Amanda Backer
Okay, same question with regard to 8 I think you said the ratio was 11% from the minor and 89% from the major. Is that twigs being the 11% and Robinson being the 89%?
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Allie Beth Stuckey
Yes. Twigs better aligned with that 11% contributor and Mr. Robinson better aligned with that 79% contributor. All right, so that's the DNA evidence that was presented by the prosecution. We also have the Discord messages that have been discussed for a very long time, long before this preliminary hearing. We'll get to that in just a second. Let me pause, tell you about our next sponsor. It's Range Leather. Range Leather is a sponsor for Share the Arrows this year. They are a family owned company that makes every single leather product from their home in Wyoming or from their factory now in Wyoming. And they're just an incredible, incredible Christ loving, family centered, America loving family that wanted to make these leather products that would last forever and they really do. I've got bags, I've got jewelry, I've got all kinds of things from Range Leather. So good they use age old techniques and so they're not just trying to manufacture as many products as cheaply as possible. They really want to give you high quality leather goods that last. So if you're looking for something for yourself or you're looking for a really thoughtful gift for for someone that you love, support this Christian family owned company and get you an incredible, super stylish, super cute leather product that will last forever. They've got hats, patches, all different kinds of things. Go to rangeleather.com ally for 10 off that's rangeleather.com ally. According to the Washington Post, Tyler Robinson seems to have confessed in a Discord chat room. He said, hey guys, I have bad news for you all. It was me at UV US yesterday. I'm sorry for all of this. He said in a message from his account sent two hours before he was taken into custody. The New York Times's Robert Draper reported from the courtroom about the content of these Discord messages. He says Robinson's online friends were confused because you're saying it was you. Robinson replied, it was another protested, no it wasn't. Lmao. Robinson then wrote, look at the photos from the surveillance footage. It was me. And then we also have Lance Twiggs's testimony. Now you'll remember that this is the guy who was Robinson's lover, his roommate, apparently some like furry trans identifying guy. Now if you watch his video testimony that was presented in the pre trial he's very much looks like a man in a suit. I'm sure that is Strategic in some ways, or maybe he snapped out of this delusion after everything went down. Not sure. But a recorded video with lance twigs from April 2026 was played in court during the hearing. A video testimony would not be allowed in the actual trial, but in this preliminary hearing that is acceptable, normal. The defense strongly objected, however, to showing the video and the accompanying text messages, arguing that it was just hearsay could taint the jury pool. This led to a lengthy debate and delays on Wednesday and ended with a judge ordering some redaction. So the redacted video was ultimate played on Thursday. In the video, Twigs testified that surveillance footage did actually look like Tyler Robinson, his former lover. Saudi.
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Amanda Backer
Do you recognize the person in these images?
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Lance Twigs
I wouldn't say with a hundred percent certainty just because of camera quality, but that looks like him in terms of the shoes he's wearing, the sunglasses. I don't think I'd specifically seen him wearing that hat, but he was usually wearing a hat and then jeans. So it definitely, especially the bottom, the last two definitely do look like him.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
Yeah, that's interesting because it's actually the last two pictures that Internet sleuths have been zooming in on and saying that's totally not Tyler Robinson and yet his lover is looking at those two pictures and saying those are the ones who def. That definitely look like him. Twigs also testified that Robinson left their St. George apartment at about 4am on the day of the shooting. St. George is about 260 miles away from the UVU campus. That's about a three and a half hour drive. That matches up with the timeline of the surveillance footage that the prosecution put forth. Twigs also described Robinson acting erratically the day after the shooting, crying and saying he wished he hadn't done it.
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Amanda Backer
Sot9 did he talk about what he had done?
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Lance Twigs
Didn't go into detail. He just. I just asked him in person if what he said was true the night before and he said it was. He started crying a little bit and said he wishes he hadn't done it and then kept going around and just doing stuff, I think to keep himself busy or distracted or something.
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Amanda Backer
Did he talk about what he was going to do next?
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Allie Beth Stuckey
So as I said, some of that was redacted by order of the judge, but that was Twigs his testimony about how he was acting. Twig said Robinson had asked for a Dremel tool and was engraving bullets for a family hunting trip, quote unquote, roughly a month before Kirk's murder. Photos of the bullets. We remember this being reported after Charlie was assassinated. One says, fascist catch. And then there are some others that are like really kind of meme language that you see on Reddit and Discord. Some gay stuff, literally. And there's some others. We can't see everything. One actually says gay. One bullet reads, oh, bella chow. That's an antifa slogan. Okay, so this guy was radical. He was a far left radical, at least according to these engravings on here. The prosecution showed images from Twigs's phone with his correspondence with the suspect on the day after the shooting. The suspect, Tyler Robinson, says in these texts, I am still okay, my love, but I'm stuck in Orem for a little while longer yet. Shouldn't be long until I can come home. To be. To be honest, I had hoped to keep this secret till I died of old age. I am sorry to involve you. Let me just pause right there before I keep reading. I've seen a lot of people on my own social media say, this is not how they talk. This is obviously a fed. This guy is a patsy. This is not how young people. Young people talk. Well, first of all, if this is not how he really talks and this was a fed that was sending these text messages and it wasn't really Tyler Robinson, he would have done a better. He wouldn't have spoken like this. Like, he would have done a better job of trying to sound like some Gen Z guy. This guy, what I can tell you, I don't even have to say allegedly, he's weird. He's a grade A weirdo. Okay? These people, a lot of these nerds that are on Reddit and are on Discord are weird. They talk weird when people are saying, oh, he talked so formally, he talked. He said the word vehicle. That's not right. No young person says vehicle. Okay? This guy was very dorky and strange. Nothing wrong with being nerdy and dorky, by the way. I'm just saying that it could change how you talk. You might not talk like you think of a typical, like Gen Z casual person on a college campus would speak. Okay. I think he probably had a very strange fantasy life that he was involved in. And I think that he was probably a strange, awkward kid who used awkward wording. There are actually other vehicle or other pieces of footage from his past where he is saying the word vehicle for car. So this was just how he spoke. Lance Twigs, in response in the text, you weren't the one who did it, right? And then Robinson, I am. I'm sorry. Lance Twigs. I thought they caught the person. And then Robinson says, no, they grabbed some Crazy old dude that interrogated someone in similar clothing. But most of that side of town got locked down. It's quiet, almost enough to get out, but there's one vehicle lingering. Okay, it's quiet, comma, almost enough to get out, but there's one vehicle lingering. And then Twigs also said he found a handwritten confession note left by Robinson and took a photograph of it. He testified that he later burned the note because he was afraid. During the hearing, prosecutors showed both the photograph of the intact note and a photograph of its burned remains. And here's SOT 10.
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Amanda Backer
I assume you read it.
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Lance Twigs
Yeah.
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Amanda Backer
And then what did you do with it after you read it?
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Lance Twigs
I believe I just put it back down on the desk after I took a picture of it.
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Amanda Backer
Okay. And again, the time you read it was probably around 11 o' clock or so on the 10th. Yes, the night of September 10th.
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Lance Twigs
Mm.
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Amanda Backer
Right. And did you ever see that again after you placed it back on his desk?
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Lance Twigs
No, I don't think I did.
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Amanda Backer
And that was a desk in his bedroom?
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Lance Twigs
Yes.
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Amanda Backer
And that's a separate bedroom than your bedroom?
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Lance Twigs
Yeah.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
Okay, so some confusion there. He set it back down. He burned it later. But the note says this and we have a full screen of it. Luna, if you are reading this. So Luna, apparently is what Tyler Robinson called his Loverlands Twigs nickname. If you are reading this per my text, then I am so sorry. I left the house this morning on a mission and said an auto text. I am likely dead or facing a lengthy prison sentence. I had the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk and I took it. I don't know if I will have succeeded, but I had hoped to make it home to you. I mean, obviously this looks like a child's handwriting. There's a lot that is apparently going on maturity wise and mentally there. Not that every evil person is mentally ill. I think that's an extreme excuse, but I think there's some instability here. Clearly it actually. This note wasn't supposed to be broadcast or shown publicly. Judge Graph actually ordered it to be redacted. It was accidentally flashed up on the screen, but it had already been in circulation for a while on social media. So that is the bulk I in, in my view, that is the bulk of the evidence that was presented by the prosecution. That's not to say that the defense won't have their own well reasoned case. If they are good at their jobs, they will. We will see the totality of everything presented in the witnesses brought forth when the trial actually occurs. I think we'll learn a lot over the next couple of months. To me, from my personal opinion, it does seem beyond a shadow of the doubt that Tyler Robinson did it. That he was motivated by his animus toward Charlie Kirk because of Charlie Kirk's views, and that he decided to take this opportunity to, in his mind, and maybe in the minds of other people, to become a hero. That's what it seems to me. It seems pretty irrefutable at this point, unless you are to believe that the prosecution and the Orem police and UVU and Israel and Egypt and Erica Kirk and. And the federal government and all of the intelligence agencies are somehow working together, gather to cover this up and that Tyler Robinson is just the fall guy. And I will just say, like, you're gonna have to prove that. You're gonna have to prove it. You can't just say it. And you can't just say, well, I think that this one thing is weird, or I haven't heard a reporting of this, and so that must not be true, or they must not be investigating it. We don't know everything that has been investigated. We don't know everything that the prosecution is going to bring forth. We don't know everything that the defense is going to bring forth. One thing I will say is that the defense cares a lot more about defending their client than Internet sleuths do. They care a lot more about winning this case. They care a lot more about presenting alternative theories. And so if there were any truth to any of the theories out there about other people actually being the ones who were responsible for the assassination of Charlie Kirk, they would be bringing that forth in court. And maybe they will when it comes to the trial. I guess we'll have to see. But so far they haven't. So far, the defense has not brought forth any of the theories that we see circulating about Israel or other entities actually being responsible for the murder of Charlie. All right, we've got a little bit more on this. We're going to talk about some of the specific counterclaims by those who say, oh, no, this isn't real. Tyler Robinson wasn't the guy who did it in just a second. Let me pause. Let me tell you about our next sponsor. It is Holy Pals. This is a brand that helps you truly wrap your family in the word of God. I love what they're doing. I love when they send pajamas for my family. 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Okay, so here's one claim that I've been seeing circulating. The suspect's limp shifts from one leg to the other. In the surveillance team video that we showed that was allegedly Tyler Robinson putting his rifle in his pant leg to conceal it and walking down the stairwells or walking up the stairwell on UVU's campus. Some people are saying that the limp shifts in one shot from one leg to the other. So this is what I would say to this. The purpose of faking a limp would be to allegedly hide the weapon on a flight of stairs. He would have to favor the specific leg that could bend less on flat ground, where he could more easily walk without bending the other leg. He might switch which leg he was bending in order to appear to be limping. It's also been shown that you are actually able to bend your leg even if you had this kind of rifle in your pant leg. So it is possible that he switched legs. He tried to change things up, he forgot which leg he was trying to bend. The limp is not necessarily because the rifle was in that pant leg. The limp was probably to hide the weapon altogether. And so he was limping around and he could have forgotten and he could have because he was lying. He could have switched legs. And that alone. Even if that is a question of like, why would he switch legs, that does not discount all of the evidence that has been put forth and even the testimony of people like Lance Twiggs about the veracity of the identity of the person in this surveillance video. It's also just important to note that the defense team, when watching the surveillance footage, they had the opportunity to say, hey, look at that. That's a different. That's a changing limper. That's a bit like that. Obviously isn't him. Because then they would be saying what this is like a fake person limping and forget like it. That would be a whole different theory that they would be pushing into. And they didn't do that. They didn't say, hey, look at that changing limp or look at that bent leg. And if that, if they thought that that would help their client, then they would have presented that and they didn't. Another claim is that the bullet did not match the rifle. The Daily Mail ran a story on March 30 with the headline, the bullet used to kill Charlie Kirk did not match the rifle allegedly used by the suspect. New court filing claims. However, the report was actually inconclusive and it is incorrect to say that the bullet did not match the rifle. It is very common when the fragments are reportedly too small or too deformed after shooting to allow for a clear answer. So the report will say inconclusive. This does not mean that they didn't match the rifle. According to a 2022 study, examiners found inconclusive results in about 20% of cases like this. According to Christopher Ballard, a spokesperson for the Utah County Attorney's Office and part of the prosecution team, an inconclusive result from bullet fragment analysis does not mean that the rifle did not fire the bullet. Another. Another claim is that it's not possible that a.36 round would not have produced an exit wound because we've heard from the beginning there was no exit wound in the body of Charlie Kirk, that his neck actually stopped the bullet. From the beginning, there have been people saying that's not possible. That just makes this all kind of a conspiracy. For example, one person said on X A.36 goes through three cast iron pans, but somehow produces no exit wound in Charlie Kirk's neck. Many online claims assume that every 36 always exits, which is incorrect. Court evidence and forensic testimony identified the ammunition as a soft point. So that's a big game hunting bullet. These are intentionally designed to expand quickly on impact, dump energy into the target and then often stop inside. This is actually why they're used for big game hunting, because you don't want a bullet that is going to destroy the knack or destroy the meat off of an animal. That kind of takes the point out of actually killing the animal, especially if you're using it to eat. That's the, the lack of explosive nature of these kind of soft point bullets is exactly why they are so commonly used and why they typically don't have an exit point. Whether it's a deer's Neck or whether it is a person's neck. A related claim to there being no exit wound. Charlie wasn't killed by a gunshot, but by an explosive in his mic. And this claim seems to be closely related to Israel did it for some reason. On Thursday, the bullet fragments found inside Charlie's body were shown in court, contradicting the theory that an exploding mike killed him. And so you've got these fragments right there that are shown, that are shown in court. Also, we don't have any, we don't have any evidence of his mic exploding. People who have said, oh, Charlie didn't typically use this mic. So again, that's another part of the conspiracy here, that the person who put the mic on Charlie was also in on his death. And so this idea that Charlie was wearing a different kind of lavalier mic, that's the kind of mic that you would place on your shirt this time, and that that had some kind of explosive mechanism in it. But that's not true. If you look back at the footage of Charlie in previous campus stops, he was wearing the exact same kind of mike. Again, we've got no evidence of that whatsoever. The video, which I have unfortunately seen, that so many of you have seen of Charlie being shot, you can see his neck go that way and fall, and he falls and he slouches down. You would also have to assume that every single person who witnessed him being shot, every single person who was with him in the car trying to save his life, that they were also all lying about it, that all of the witnesses there who claim that they saw him get shot and saw him fall in a way that corresponds with being shot in the neck, that they are all lying too. So I just don't see any substantiation for the idea that he wasn't shot at all and that his microphone exploded. There are lots of other claims.
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Caller/Listener
We.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
We don't have time to get into them today. But if you have a claim that you're like, I really want you to address this, I want you to talk about this, you can send it to me, you can comment, you can send a message, or if there's something that I said that you want me to clarify or dig more into, then we'll try to do that on Wednesday. I do think it's important to address those specific claims. The truth is, I just don't see any evidence or substantiation for the other theories surrounding this. I just don't. I see a lot of conjecture, I see a lot of guessing. I see a lot of well, isn't this weird? I see a lot of. Well, I'm just asking questions. But at the same time, I'm going to implicitly accuse this person, a friend of Charlie, a wife of Charlie, confidant of Charlie, of being in on a grand conspiracy to murder him. But that's slander without evidence. And so I just don't see any veracity to those kinds of claims. It seems to me like the prosecution has done a good job, that the defense so far hasn't really done a good job of contesting the main thrust of the evidence against Tyler Robinson. And so I think more truth is going to come out as the months go on. I think we. I think we're going to see a stronger and stronger case made against Tyler Robinson, that a lot of these theories are going to be outright debunked altogether. But if someone is wedded to a theory and they're wedded to a lie for whatever motivation, well, then, of course, everything can be claimed to be fake. Everything can be AI. Everything can just be added to the large pile of conspiracy. But I think most people get fatigued by that. It becomes less and less compelling as time goes on. No matter what you think, pray for Erica, pray for the family. Pray for everyone who is involved in this. Pray for Tyler Robinson's parents as well, and for truth to prevail and for justice to overcome in this situation. And then also for those who have been duped by the lies that have kind of sucked them into this Internet black hole. I know that some of you have people in your life, and they believe that they are on the side of truth, but you can just see that it's stolen the joy and the contentment and really the moral compass from their lives. You should be praying for those people, too. 100%. All right, we've got just a little bit more. Let me tell you about our last sponsor for the day first, and that is Legacy box. America's 250th anniversary is a reminder that every family has a story worth preserving. Those stories aren't just found in history books. They're on old VHS tape and camcorder tapes, film reels, photos, audio recordings tucked away in closets and attics. And it is so hard to keep track of all of that, y'.
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Lance Twigs
All.
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Caller/Listener
Hi Allie, My question is my husband and I believe differently on secondary doctrinal issues, mainly communion and baptism. He believes in pedo baptism and I believe in believers baptism. My question is I'm trying to be a loving and submissive wife, but I'm unsure if I should be submitting to him in this or if I should submit to what I know to be true according to God's Word. Thank you for all you do.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
Oh, I think that this is such a great question and can be really difficult. So I think one important thing is that you're not argumentative and nagging about this. Obviously it is really important these doctrinal issues matter. I don't want to minimize that. But at the same time, since they are not salvific, at least from your perspective, it sounds like because you called them these secondary doctrinal issues, then I would say that there is a time and a place, a proper context in which these can be discussed in a non emotional, respectful, biblical and open way without it being a a divide that starts to characterize your marriage. I would say that this is something that you should both be open to. That if he has a book or an article or a podcast that he wants you to read or to listen to, or a sermon that he wants you to watch, then you should be open to doing that. At the same time, because you are first and foremost a Christian, you should have your Bible open. You should be like the Bereans. You should be testing these things to see whether or not they're true and in an open and respectful way. I think that you can go to your Husband. And you can say, look, I hear you. And here are the points that I think are really compelling that I've never thought about before. About you said pedo baptism. For those who don't know, that's infant baptism. And, and here's what I think is compelling. Here's what I'm still getting hung up on because the Bible says this. Every single instance in Scripture is the baptism of someone who had already believed or the household of people who had believed. I don't see any evidence or any example of infant baptism in Scripture. So where are we. Where are we getting this? And so I think that you can do that in a very, like, respectful and loving way. And I do think that because this is not salvific, if he says, look, I think that we need to start going to a Presbyterian church, then I do think you as his wife have to say yes and okay to that. Now, that would be different. If he was like, I think that we should leave the faith altogether. We should start doing something that is clearly against the gospel and clearly unbiblical. Then that would be a different story and a different voicemail to answer. And I would have a different answer for you. But in this case, when it comes to these issues and when it comes to the direction that he's leading, I think you can submit respectfully while also standing firm on God's word and truly praying about it yourself. And if it's not something that you can meet eye to eye on and it just seems to cause division and argumentation within your marriage, then I think that we rely on that passage that says, like, there are many wives who have won over their husbands without a word because of their honorable and respectful conduct. It might just be something that you no longer are discussing. As often think, like every disagreement, there is a time and a place in a way to do it that should be edifying and doesn't and doesn't tear down. But you are right to feel tension about this. We uphold God's word as the only, only inerrant, infallible source of authority. We also know that wives are called to submit to our husbands and that marriage is a reflection of Christ in the church, is a representation of Christ's leadership of the church, and that that mirroring here on earth really does matter and how we conduct ourselves within marriage matters. And so there is a tension there. And I think that there is a way to navigate it in a way that is godly and God glorifying. Let me know what you think about that. And any of you. If you have good godly biblical insight there, feel free to leave a comment or send a message. All right, thank you guys so much. That's all we've got time for today. We will be back here on Wednesday.