John Henton Gets Naked... with the Truth featuring John Henton and Surprise Guest

Summary

ReLiving Single Podcast - Episode: John Henton Gets Naked... with the Truth featuring John Henton and Surprise Guest

Release Date: July 30, 2025

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Introduction

In this engaging episode of ReLiving Single, hosts Erika Alexander and Kim Coles welcome a very special guest, John Henton, renowned for his role as Overton Wakefield Jones on the groundbreaking sitcom Living Single. Joining John is the surprise guest, TC Carson, bringing an extra layer of camaraderie and insight into the beloved show's legacy.

Guest Introduction

Kim Coles opens the episode with enthusiasm as John Henton makes his entrance:

"He's here." [00:54]

Erika Alexander warmly welcomes him, highlighting his vibrant presence on set:

"You've brought the sun and the shine." [01:38]

John shares anecdotes about his audition process and the challenges he faced securing his role:

"I walked in there with a tool belt and I saw Yvette, and I was playing to her the whole time." [02:04]

Behind-the-Scenes Stories

John delves into his experiences during the audition process at Warner Brothers, emphasizing the competitiveness and his determination to land the role:

"I told him, shut up. I got things to do." [04:19]

He recounts the memorable moments on set, including the camaraderie among the cast and the spontaneity that made the show special.

Character Development and Dynamics

The conversation shifts to the dynamics between characters, particularly the friendship between Kyle and Overton. John and TC discuss:

• Differences in Conflict Resolution:

  "We don't fight. Usually, when it's over, it's over." [08:49]

• Evolving Understandings of Apologies:

  "When you get older, you realize it's just more important to be happy." [24:45]

John reflects on personal growth and the importance of moving past conflicts for overall happiness.

Legacy and Impact

Erika and Kim explore the lasting legacy of Living Single, highlighting how the show redefined comedy, friendship, and the Black experience on television. They discuss:

• Authenticity and Representation:

  "The men make up a brotherhood, taking care of each other and their community." [45:42]

• Influence on Future Generations:

  "Young brothers come up and say they understood how to have conversations with women by listening to Kyle." [38:52]

Memorable Moments and Anecdotes

John shares humorous and heartfelt stories from the set, including:

• On-Set Pranks and Interactions:

  "Sometimes I would tell people, you never see the funniest take, because we don't have a minute for laughter." [17:24]

• Iconic Catchphrases:

  "Watchdog Bow Wow." [33:20]

• Professionalism and Camaraderie:

  "We were so professional. We expected a certain level of professionalism." [54:15]

Impactful Conversations

A significant portion of the episode focuses on personal growth, relationships, and the importance of brotherhood. The hosts and guests engage in deep discussions about:

• Toxic Masculinity vs. Positive Male Relationships:

  "Living Single was the antidote to the toxic masculinity prevalent in the '90s." [28:18]

• The Evolution of Apologies and Emotional Maturity:

  "When you get older, you realize it's just more important to be happy." [24:45]

Interactive Segment: Truth or Challenge

The episode includes a playful segment where John and TC participate in a game of Truth or Challenge with Erika and Kim. They share lighthearted moments and behind-the-scenes tidbits, such as:

• Professional Boundaries on Set:

  "We're very, very, very professional." [47:22]

• Humorous Revelations:

  "We were semi-naked. Parts were covered and parts were not covered." [50:03]

Final Thoughts and Reflections

As the episode concludes, the hosts and guests reflect on the enduring impact of Living Single and the strong bonds formed during its production. They emphasize the importance of:

• Community and Support Among Cast Members:

  "We had to look out for you. That's what we did." [31:56]

• Authentic Representation and Influence:

  "It was authentic. It was like, man, I ain't know, you know?" [42:15]

John Henton shares a touching moment about receiving praise from his hometown and respected peers, underscoring the personal significance of his role.

Conclusion

This episode of ReLiving Single offers a rich tapestry of stories, reflections, and humor, providing listeners with an intimate look into the making of a classic sitcom. Through heartfelt conversations and entertaining anecdotes, Erika Alexander, Kim Coles, John Henton, and TC Carson celebrate the enduring legacy of Living Single, its impact on television, and the unbreakable bonds forged on set.

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Notable Quotes:

• "He's here." — Kim Coles [00:54]

• "I told him, shut up. I got things to do." — John Hinton [04:19]

• "We were so professional. We expected a certain level of professionalism." — Kim Coles [54:15]

• "Watchdog Bow Wow." — John Hinton [33:20]

• "When you get older, you realize it's just more important to be happy." — John Hinton [24:45]

• "Living Single was the antidote to the toxic masculinity prevalent in the '90s." — Kim Coles [28:18]

• "We had to look out for you. That's what we did." — John Hinton [31:56]

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This comprehensive summary captures the essence of the episode, highlighting key discussions, memorable moments, and the heartfelt reflections shared by the hosts and their guests. Whether you're a longtime fan or new to Living Single, this episode of ReLiving Single offers a deep dive into the show's enduring legacy and the strong friendships that made it iconic.

Transcript

[Erica Alexander]

Kim, take it from. I've had it.

[Kim Coles]

Okay, very good. I've had it. Erica. No, I'm tired of it. And I'm not the only one who sees it. A lot of people see it.

[Erica Alexander]

A lot of people see what they see.

[Kim Coles]

You. Me, Me.

[Erica Alexander]

Ha ha. What do they see?

[Kim Coles]

They see what you do.

[Erica Alexander]

Well, whatever I do, I do it well. See, I do it well, you just did do it. Whatever it is. I didn't do it on purpose. So go ahead, tell me, say it. Say it. Say what you're saying. Cause no, you're talking too slow now. See, you gotta be like a cheater.

[Kim Coles]

Don't be like a t. Erica. Erica, turn around. What?

[John Hinton]

Look here, baby sister. I ain't come all this way from Cleveland to see no chick fight, and I do love a good chick fight. Nah, look here, look here.

[Erica Alexander]

Yay.

[Kim Coles]

He's here.

[Erica Alexander]

He's here.

[Kim Coles]

Huzz. All right, and welcome back to Reliving Single, the official unofficial Living Single Rewatch podcast. And I'm so excited today. You know why? Because my TV hubby is here. My dear friend is here. The extraordinary one and only John Hinton.

[John Hinton]

Yes. Yes, yes. Oh, thank you, ladies, ladies, for having me.

[Erica Alexander]

Thank you. So good to see you being here. You look fantastic.

[Kim Coles]

You look amazing.

[Erica Alexander]

Glowing. You're one of my most favorite people in the world. And it's because you bring the sun and the shine.

[John Hinton]

Oh, stop it. Stop it. Behave. Oh, Jesus.

[Erica Alexander]

If I see you, I want to swirl my nipples.

[John Hinton]

Late night right now. Tell you what. I tell you what, Tell you what.

[Kim Coles]

All right, so everyone wants to know, how did you get cast on Living Single? What's your story?

[John Hinton]

Hey, first thing that happened was we had an audition. I auditioned against everybody. It was. Warner Brothers was packed. It was about. I got there the first day, it was 60 something people out there.

[Kim Coles]

Wow.

[John Hinton]

The line was out. Warner Brothers. The line was outside the door. And I walked in and my landlord, I stayed right in North Hollywood. And my landlord, I told him I was gonna be a handyman. And he said, well, you gotta have a tool belt. So I walked down there with the tool belt and I had one hammer in there. That's. It wasn't no other tool, a screwdriver, nothing. It was the hammer. Cause that was, you know, that was a part of the scene. So I had a tool belt with a hammer and I walked in there and I saw Yvette and she was laughing.

[Kim Coles]

That's who she.

[John Hinton]

Oh, I'm sorry. Yvette Lee Bowser.

[Kim Coles]

But you call her Wifette.

[John Hinton]

Yvette, it's a wife. There's no reason for that. Anyway, so I see Yvette, and I found out that she wrote the show. So I was playing to her the whole time. Cause I'm like, if she laughing, I'm gonna get a gig. So I started playing to her, and I went there the first time, and I got a call back that was like, my first call back.

[Kim Coles]

Oh, God.

[John Hinton]

So I come back. It's less people, but we're still doing it. And I think I went like five times, six times, maybe. I mean, it got down, and it was just me and one other dude. And I told him, I said it was just me and one of the cats. I wasn't. As I think about it now, it was horrible. But at the time, I was just being honest. And I said, look here, partner, this show ain't for you. I didn't mean to take him out his game. Cause I think about it now, and I'm like, well, maybe he could have been so motivated. Say, you can't tell me that. And he did his best, but it wouldn't have mattered because I was getting this show. I know that I had to get the show. So I go in for the last reading, and the air conditioning was out, okay, at Warner Brothers, and they was doing some work on the roof, and so it was real loud. So I'm doing this take, and this is money. This the last one. I got to get this right. So I'm doing my thing, and they up on the roof, and they start making some noise, and they say, let's do it again. So I go back and do it again, and they start making some noise. The window was open. I stopped, went out to the window, said, shut the hell up. I'm trying to get a job. And they came back and did the gig.

[Kim Coles]

My God.

[John Hinton]

And that's how I got this show right here. I told him, shut up. I got things to do.

[Erica Alexander]

Yeah, well, thank you, but, you know, I love. I love it, but it's time to go to work. So let's put you to work. Ok. What's going on today, Kim?

[Kim Coles]

What's going on today is two best friends, Kyle and Overton, argue.

[Erica Alexander]

You go toe to toe with your boy Kyle.

[John Hinton]

Oh, my gosh.

[Erica Alexander]

And. Yeah. You ready, champ?

[John Hinton]

Well, look, I don't know if we gonna talk about argument between Kyle and Overton. I feel like I'm. You know, it's two on one. It's an argument that's between me and. Me and TC So he should be.

[Erica Alexander]

Here, why don't you hold it down?

[John Hinton]

Bro. Bro.

[TC Carson]

I got you.

[John Hinton]

Ladies and gentlemen, ladies and gentlemen, listen. TC concert. Yeah.

[Erica Alexander]

Nah, nah.

[John Hinton]

Let's do this. Nah.

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[Kim Coles]

It's time for the rewind, where we watch and relive living single with you.

[John Hinton]

All right, slick, you ready to do this?

[TC Carson]

If you stay ready, you ain't gotta get ready. Watch dog bow wow. Come on.

[John Hinton]

Yeah. Yes, sir. Yeah. So today we're reliving Living Single, Season 1, Episode 11, the Naked Truth. Now, in this particular episode, I see Khadijah. Naked.

[TC Carson]

Naked.

[Erica Alexander]

Naked.

[John Hinton]

Oh, Lordy. Miss Claudie.

[Kim Coles]

Y' all ready to rumble?

[John Hinton]

Well, might as well. All right, let's go.

[TC Carson]

Let's get it.

[Erica Alexander]

Let it go.

[TC Carson]

You women are so petty. You don't hear men talking to each other like this.

[Kim Coles]

Oh, no, you right, Kyle. Cause you talking about Overton behind his back.

[John Hinton]

What'd you say, Kyle? I don't know, man.

[TC Carson]

Nothing I wouldn't say to your face.

[Erica Alexander]

How about that two day rant you went on after Overton went along on your date with Melissa?

[John Hinton]

I'm sure Kyle has more to say over there.

[TC Carson]

Man, don't be so sensitive.

[John Hinton]

How you gonna call me sensitive, Mr. I need a baby wipe from my behind?

[TC Carson]

Regine is being really messy right now.

[John Hinton]

Yes, yes, just that cackling just to.

[TC Carson]

Laugh on purpose and then backed away from it. That's really messy right there.

[Erica Alexander]

Well, she had to do something in the scene to instigate.

[TC Carson]

I mean, you always jump on the.

[Erica Alexander]

Horse, though, for sure. Yeah, but they all are loving this because this is unusual.

[John Hinton]

Yeah, we don't.

[TC Carson]

We don't fight.

[Erica Alexander]

Exactly.

[Kim Coles]

So this is. Is this the first time that we've seen you argue, then? I guess it is.

[John Hinton]

Yeah. This was our. The drama.

[Erica Alexander]

And I think Yvette wanted to flip the script a little bit. She wanted to. You know that people always say that women are fighters and men, oh, they get along, but that's actually not true. I think that y' all fight, so maybe she wanted to, you know, I don't know, break up the myth.

[John Hinton]

Yeah.

[Kim Coles]

Do you think that men fight the same way that women do?

[TC Carson]

No, I don't think so.

[Kim Coles]

How is it different?

[TC Carson]

Y' all dirty.

[John Hinton]

Yeah, dirty.

[TC Carson]

Y' all really. Y' all really nasty about how you do it.

[Kim Coles]

Are we.

[TC Carson]

Yeah, because you know what buttons to push, because the emotional toll.

[John Hinton]

Yeah. You got backstory, and y' all do some stuff from way back in the day. Y' all bring up some stuff. Guys, we just cut right to the chase.

[Erica Alexander]

I know.

[John Hinton]

That's. Yeah, we cut to the chase, and.

[TC Carson]

When it's over, Usually it's over.

[John Hinton]

Yeah, usually, you know, we'll fight, and then it's over with.

[Kim Coles]

Oh, come on. Sometimes men create mortal enemies.

[John Hinton]

No. But usually after you fight, then it's over with. But you. We actually will fight, and then we.

[Kim Coles]

Is that better?

[John Hinton]

Yeah, we'll fight and then don't get a beer. And it's over with.

[Kim Coles]

Okay, let me ask you this. Is it. What if it's something that is a moral issue or you stole someone's woman or something? Does it. You know, at what point does it become. That's it. We're done.

[TC Carson]

At this age, you don't really get upset with people. You just X them.

[John Hinton]

Them?

[Erica Alexander]

Yeah.

[John Hinton]

Okay.

[TC Carson]

You know, they become. You don't.

[Erica Alexander]

Persona nong.

[John Hinton]

Yeah.

[TC Carson]

You don't see them. You don't talk. You just X them out.

[Kim Coles]

Okay, that's. That's interesting. I love that you're including that. There's an age. There's a wisdom that comes by a certain age.

[Erica Alexander]

How is that wise, though? That sounds like emotional immaturity to say, you know, I ain't gonna argue. I'm just gonna X you out.

[TC Carson]

Why would I continue to try to talk to someone who really doesn't want to have this conversation? And if you don't want to have a conversation, then it's like, okay, well, off you go.

[John Hinton]

You're done.

[TC Carson]

Yep.

[John Hinton]

Sometimes you cross the line, and it's like, hey, you know, this ain't even worth talking about right. We done? Well, you don't get mad. Just be done, that's all.

[Kim Coles]

Don't get mad. I want that T shirt. You gotta decide how much it's worth it to you to maintain.

[Erica Alexander]

Well, for Kyle and Overton, they ain't done no, because of course, they're more than friends.

[TC Carson]

And brothers fight. But it's still family.

[Erica Alexander]

That's what's up.

[Kim Coles]

Overton just brought Kyle's mother into.

[Erica Alexander]

They're about to box. Maybe we should stop up for a visit. You are awful.

[John Hinton]

You started this whole thing, Max.

[Erica Alexander]

I did, didn't I? It's a gift.

[John Hinton]

I don't own it. Mind if I use the phone? I want to call the ymca. I'm sure there's a cop with my name on it somewhere in this big, lonely, concrete jungle.

[Kim Coles]

Oh, nonsense, Overton. You can stay with us now. I love the way you grab the pillow. It's sort of a passive aggressive experience of like, just maybe we'll get the idea that you want to stay.

[John Hinton]

Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

[Erica Alexander]

Yeah. Not too subtle.

[TC Carson]

It was.

[John Hinton]

Yeah. I needed. I didn't want to say it. The ymca. Who wants to stay? I can stay down here and be near the single.

[TC Carson]

It's the quick pack of trunks and luggage and bags that are still upstairs as a quick pack.

[John Hinton]

I got more stuff.

[Kim Coles]

And it hurt so bad that you did. The thing that would hurt him the most in this moment is you're throwing his albums out the window.

[John Hinton]

He threw my tools down.

[Kim Coles]

So y' all went for. You went for the gold jugular. Went for the jugular. Went for the jugular.

[Erica Alexander]

Yeah. But, you know, this is also the first time we hear Regine say, oh, Sookie, sookie now. But it's actually your character.

[John Hinton]

I said it first.

[Erica Alexander]

That's right.

[John Hinton]

I was the first one to say it first.

[TC Carson]

She was right.

[Erica Alexander]

Right. And then it became Regine's.

[John Hinton]

She took it.

[Erica Alexander]

But it was established by your character.

[John Hinton]

Of course.

[Erica Alexander]

You say of course because, you know.

[John Hinton]

I established some stuff.

[Erica Alexander]

By the way, I do have to ask a quick question. Why would you, as the superintendent and the handyman of the building, be leaving? Shouldn't that be your apartment?

[TC Carson]

Moving on.

[John Hinton]

I'm gonna go and shave.

[TC Carson]

Good idea.

[Erica Alexander]

Overton.

[Kim Coles]

We have a bathroom for that.

[John Hinton]

You know, it's funny how every household has their own rules.

[Erica Alexander]

Oh, yeah.

[John Hinton]

Oh, be in the bathtub.

[Kim Coles]

Kill the chaos. So let's talk about this. I personally love that you're wearing a shower cap on top of your hat.

[John Hinton]

Thanks, Kevin.

[Kim Coles]

That's comedy right there. Is that your Idea.

[John Hinton]

Yeah, I think so. That first year, I always had the hat, you know, because, you know, I was losing my hair. So I always had a hat on or either a lot of spray and powder.

[Kim Coles]

They would fill it in, wouldn't they?

[John Hinton]

I was so mad. It's like I finally get a show and get my big break and my hair started falling off. But, you know, you saw, I came back the next year, so.

[Kim Coles]

Yeah, you came back second season. Bald headed.

[John Hinton]

I ain't tell nobody.

[Kim Coles]

Didn't discuss it with the next year.

[John Hinton]

I just walk in with Yvette. Nobody. I just came in.

[Kim Coles]

But you have a nice shaped head, so you could do that.

[John Hinton]

Well, you know. Thank you. Yeah.

[Erica Alexander]

Amazing. By the way, you know, there he is sitting there, you know, Overton, in his robe. I have to tell you, you are so fine in that robe.

[Kim Coles]

You can look amazing here.

[John Hinton]

Yes. Oh, stop it. Stop it.

[Erica Alexander]

With snake hips, people.

[Kim Coles]

Sinewy.

[John Hinton]

Stop. You know how humble I am.

[Erica Alexander]

No, it's true. That's one of the sexiest things he ever wore was his robe.

[Kim Coles]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you walk in and she's getting, and I love that she has a leg that just, you know, pops out of the shower.

[John Hinton]

Yeah.

[Kim Coles]

And then here you are.

[John Hinton]

Nice leg.

[Kim Coles]

In the bathtub.

[John Hinton]

No. Where is that from?

[Kim Coles]

No.

[TC Carson]

Singing in the bathtub.

[Kim Coles]

Bugs Bunny singing in the bathtub.

[John Hinton]

Thank you. It doesn't take long.

[Erica Alexander]

That's right.

[Kim Coles]

You have an encyclopedic knowledge of comedy and animation and cartoons and funny people. And you pull from all of that and then you make it your own. So that was Bugs Bunny. Thank you for that.

[John Hinton]

It was, it was. That's all. The first year, that's all I did was just pull from, from different sources because that was my first acting gig. I, I, since I was in like high school or something.

[Erica Alexander]

Okay, let me ask you, because you have such a different personality, John Hinton versus Overton, to me, and yet you lean very much into, I think, the freedom of feeling, you know, kind of young. And I don't know, a lot of places where men don't like to go, they want to be the one that knows. And you sort of held your strength, your masculinity right next to something that was much more fragile and naive and playful. I love that.

[John Hinton]

I thought that that's what the character called for, to match with Sinclair. And that's why those two worked so well together, you know, because they were very similar. And it's like everybody on that show and everybody that watched knew those two were gonna get Together.

[Kim Coles]

That's true.

[John Hinton]

You know, so that was it. I was just trying to line up with her, and. Yeah. And it worked out.

[Erica Alexander]

Where are you from? You're from Cleveland originally.

[John Hinton]

Cleveland, Ohio? Yes, ma'. Am.

[Kim Coles]

And then the character from Cleveland. And you all were best friends as children in Cleveland?

[John Hinton]

In Cleveland.

[TC Carson]

Went to school together?

[John Hinton]

Yep. Cause I asked Yvette, I'm like, where are the characters from? She said, I don't know. I said, they from Cleveland. And then we started incorporating things, and that's how we got the. When the Browns left Cleveland and Jim Brown was on the show and all of that, you know, so it was.

[Kim Coles]

Yeah, yeah, right. Let's talk about this. Khadijah gets out the shower, and there you are seeing her. I want to know, what was she wearing? What was she really wearing in that scene?

[John Hinton]

She had, like, the bodysuit. Yeah, bodysuit. Yeah, the bodysuit. And, you know, to cover up all that goodness. Great day in the morning.

[Erica Alexander]

But we noticed it wasn't overly sexualized. They didn't sort of do that. It was like seeing a sibling.

[John Hinton]

And we had to do it that way, you know, because it was just that scene that was like, our first, like, risque type scene, I guess, you know, of anybody, like, supposedly naked, you know, so we had to play it, and Overton got to play it like a kid. Anyway, you know, like, after we hollered for a while, and then I just. I just looked and I just went, y best said, no, no, we not doing that. But after, like, about the fourth or fifth take, we could always play. And that's. That's the thing. We still nothing but kids, man. All we did was play. And it's like, sometimes people will say, it looked like y' all really having fun on that show. I'm like, man, what you saw on the show is nothing compared to what we did. Like, some. Sometimes I would tell people, like, you never see the funniest take, because the funniest take, Erica would do something, and the audience would laugh for a minute. It's like, we don't have a minute for laughter. So the funniest ones don't get through. They cutting everything for time. So it's like. Cause we would just have fun. And then it's like. And then they say, five, four, three, two. It's like, all right, come on, let's go on and do this, and so we can get back to playing. So, you know.

[Erica Alexander]

Yeah, yeah. Well, you were playing, and I think it was nice to see the juxtaposition between your Character. And the ladies, you know, downstairs, because you were shaving in their sink. It was kind of disgusting. I'm not gonna lie.

[John Hinton]

It really is. I didn't know, especially when I blew the whiskers in there.

[TC Carson]

And welcome to Kyle's World. That was Kyle's World.

[Erica Alexander]

That's right.

[Kim Coles]

And that's we're getting a taste of what's really going on upstairs.

[John Hinton]

Yeah.

[Erica Alexander]

Are you have any deal breakers when you're living with somebody, something you don't like? Like, look, do not do this in the sink.

[John Hinton]

Or.

[TC Carson]

No cats.

[Erica Alexander]

No cats.

[TC Carson]

No cats.

[Kim Coles]

Yeah.

[TC Carson]

Okay, no cats.

[Kim Coles]

Do you have any rules?

[John Hinton]

No.

[Kim Coles]

What about you?

[Erica Alexander]

Do you have any?

[Kim Coles]

I do. No crumbs in the bed.

[Erica Alexander]

Ooh, God.

[Kim Coles]

No crumbs in the bed.

[Erica Alexander]

That might be my snack. In a bed.

[Kim Coles]

No crumbs, however, farting fully allowed, anytime, anywhere.

[Erica Alexander]

You get the crumbs. What you talking about? No, when you think comes out the other end, it's not just smoke.

[John Hinton]

Oh, my gosh, not just smoke.

[Erica Alexander]

Ashes and all sorts of stuff. I mean crumbs.

[Kim Coles]

Okay, let me clarify. Crumbs from the eating of the cookies or the snacks or the people.

[Erica Alexander]

But your ass crumbs are okay. I think that. Listen, why do you have ass crumbs?

[Kim Coles]

I don't know anybody with ass crumbs.

[Erica Alexander]

She said you can fart, but you can't put a, you know, some cookie crumbs. I'd rather take the cookie crumbs than gas.

[Kim Coles]

Oh, I think gas is fine.

[Erica Alexander]

I think the audience should decide. Do you want somebody who's gaseous? Yeah, somebody who.

[John Hinton]

Just somebody.

[TC Carson]

It's not an either or.

[Kim Coles]

I'm giving you my list of. I'm letting you. Okay.

[Erica Alexander]

What about you Go with God for me? I have quite a few.

[Kim Coles]

But of course you particular.

[John Hinton]

This one's particular.

[Erica Alexander]

The way I grew up. Because I grew up, we all five in the same bedroom. And we only had our side of the bed and a pillow in one drawer and whatever. So I can be very sort of just like, wait a minute, that's my side. But you know, I'm not really like that in life. But I don't like anybody sitting on my bed. Cause I feel like that's the nest in their outside clothes.

[Kim Coles]

Oh, agreed, agreed.

[Erica Alexander]

Agreed to me. Please don't do that. And other than that, I'm pretty easy to live with. Except for the other 10 things. But I won't bring those.

[Kim Coles]

Except the ass crumbs. How do you get ass crumbs?

[Erica Alexander]

Who have you when you fart? It Floats out.

[Kim Coles]

Oh, but it's not. It's just gas.

[John Hinton]

None of this is on the teleprompter.

[Erica Alexander]

I don't need this.

[John Hinton]

How do we have a script here? But something has gone terribly.

[Erica Alexander]

Right, next clip.

[John Hinton]

Wait, is there. Is there another clip? Yeah. Let's run that baby. I should just pack up my steamer trunk and hit the curb.

[Erica Alexander]

Overton, you do not have to go. But you got the promise to chill. Look, you trying so hard not to.

[Kim Coles]

Be in the way.

[Erica Alexander]

You tripping all over yourself. Just kick back, put your feet up on the table.

[John Hinton]

Really?

[Erica Alexander]

Sure.

[John Hinton]

Wow. Kyle never lets me do this at home.

[Erica Alexander]

What you mean Kyle never lets you? Don't let him run you.

[John Hinton]

Oh, he doesn't run me. He just suggests things over and over again until I do what he says.

[Kim Coles]

Oh, Overton.

[Erica Alexander]

It's not healthy to let people walk all over you.

[Kim Coles]

Unless, of course, that someone employs you and gives you a place to live. Then you just don't have a choice.

[John Hinton]

You know, that's a good point. I should have a long talk with Kyle.

[Kim Coles]

Sure.

[Erica Alexander]

Go right upstairs.

[Kim Coles]

Yeah.

[John Hinton]

Why don't you take your bags for good luck.

[Kim Coles]

So we've got compassion for you. So how do we deal with the compassion that we have for you versus the comfort of you just coming and taking over? Of course Sinclair wants you there.

[John Hinton]

Yeah, but the women always looked out for me. And that's the thing. And that's why I was there in the first place. You know, regardless of, you know, what Regine was saying, it's like y' all always looked out for me. And on the show, we all looked out for each other.

[Kim Coles]

We did. Very much so.

[John Hinton]

That was the thing.

[Erica Alexander]

Kyle Overton's Khadijah. Cause you're kind of bossy and rigid. And, you know, Sinclair has that. They kind of mirror each other. They're really characters, but they have a different version of that. But for Overton, you're like his overseer. Am I wrong for that? Am I wrong for that?

[TC Carson]

That's his boy.

[John Hinton]

Yeah.

[Kim Coles]

Mm.

[Erica Alexander]

Well, why are you trying to always tell him what to do?

[TC Carson]

He's a little more. He feels that he's a little more well read.

[Kim Coles]

Okay.

[TC Carson]

And so he knows a little more. He wants his boy to know the proper way to do things. Overton has more common sense than Kyle does at times. And you hear it in the wisdom that he talks about when he uses his down home, Uncle Tibby and all those people. If you really listen to what he's saying, he's really dropping knowledge all the Time dropping knowledge. That's why Kyle is his boy.

[Kim Coles]

Okay?

[TC Carson]

Cause Kyle understands that people are always.

[Erica Alexander]

Talking about avoidant personalities online and that type of thing, that men can be avoidant personalities. Like, they'll push down things and not talk about things and that. What do you think? Is that real? Sort of walk away as opposed to deal with things.

[John Hinton]

This is way too heavy for me. I just came here for some laughs. And we talk about the script now. Y' all talking about some stuff. But. No, that's what I'm saying. All right.

[TC Carson]

I'll be upstairs if you'd like to talk.

[John Hinton]

No, we can settle it right here. All you got to do is apologize. For what, man? Look, I'm going home. Are you coming? I have a home right here. And this is where I be when you decide you're sorry.

[TC Carson]

Well, then you had better file a change of address, because you are not getting an apology from me.

[John Hinton]

Get out of our house.

[Erica Alexander]

Get out of our house. Okay, so enough is enough.

[Kim Coles]

So we see Overton standing up for himself. Yeah, Right.

[John Hinton]

That's good.

[Kim Coles]

But we see this beautiful moment where you're like, enough is like you said. This is what guys do. Like, they fight and they go, all right, man, that's it. So you would come in, like, going, come on, bro, this is enough.

[John Hinton]

Come on. Come on up. Come on home.

[Kim Coles]

Right. But you're, like, egged on by us.

[John Hinton]

Yeah, because y' all let me be me. See, it's your fault. It's really your fault. Y' all let me do it. So, you know, so now I'm standing my ground.

[Kim Coles]

Do you think that Kyle gives a sort of non apology in that scene?

[TC Carson]

The fact that he came downstairs.

[John Hinton]

Yeah.

[Kim Coles]

Was the apology.

[TC Carson]

Yeah, that was the apology.

[Kim Coles]

And he was supposed to get that, wasn't he?

[TC Carson]

Came downstairs? Yeah.

[Erica Alexander]

Do men know how to apologize?

[TC Carson]

Some do.

[Kim Coles]

I think some do.

[TC Carson]

Do you do? Absolutely.

[Erica Alexander]

Okay.

[TC Carson]

When I was younger.

[John Hinton]

No.

[TC Carson]

No.

[Erica Alexander]

What made the change? What made the difference?

[TC Carson]

Experience.

[Erica Alexander]

Okay.

[Kim Coles]

So even if you felt that you had done something wrong. Air quotes. You still wouldn't apologize?

[TC Carson]

When I was younger, uh, no. I would change my behavior, but I wouldn't apologize.

[Kim Coles]

Oh, guess what? That's the best apology of all. Change your behavior. Actually, there's some people say, don't give me an apology. Change your behavior. Let me see an action. I don't want no apology. Give me action.

[Erica Alexander]

John. Do you know how to apologize now?

[John Hinton]

I do.

[Erica Alexander]

Okay.

[John Hinton]

When I was younger, it was just about winning the argument, you know? Okay. And that's all it's like, well, only thing I was worried about was what somebody did to me. When you get older, you realize that it's just more important to be happy.

[TC Carson]

Can you say that again, please?

[John Hinton]

Well, I said it once, but I will.

[TC Carson]

I'm not saying it again.

[John Hinton]

It's more important to be what? When you. When you get older, you realize it's more important to just be happy. Yes. You know, it's like nobody's got time to go back and forth. You know, I. I get into arguments and think it's like, well, this is what I'm gonna say next time, you know, we in the argument. And I know she gonna do this. So here we go. You know, you're going back and forth, and it's like, come on. Or you can just be happy and just say, look, it's not that major. It's a lot of things that I wish I'd have done different. And I know it's a growing thing, but, you know, I just look back on who I was then, and I don't really like what I saw. I tried. I did the best I could at the time, and, you know, but you.

[TC Carson]

Wouldn'T be able to sit in where you are now if you hadn't gone through what you did then.

[John Hinton]

Yeah, that's true.

[Erica Alexander]

Thank you for saying that.

[Kim Coles]

This is gonna help someone watching this so much. These kinds of conversations that. Self reflection and action.

[Erica Alexander]

Yeah.

[John Hinton]

Beautiful.

[Erica Alexander]

Because repair isn't gender specific.

[Kim Coles]

It is not.

[Erica Alexander]

You know what I mean?

[TC Carson]

No, it's not repair.

[Kim Coles]

No.

[Erica Alexander]

All right.

[Kim Coles]

Is there another clip? I believe there is. In five.

[John Hinton]

There's more.

[Kim Coles]

Three.

[John Hinton]

So how is it living here all alone, having fun with your albums?

[TC Carson]

Yeah, what's left of them. That was really small, man.

[John Hinton]

No smaller than dropping a man's heritage hammer down the dumbwaiter.

[TC Carson]

Okay, okay, okay. So things got a little out of control.

[John Hinton]

Hey, man, but what you said, that really hurt, man.

[Kim Coles]

Overton, man. What did I say?

[John Hinton]

You said something about.

[TC Carson]

You know, honestly, man, I really can't remember.

[John Hinton]

Me either.

[TC Carson]

So, wait, it sounds like there's really nothing to apologize for.

[John Hinton]

Hmm. Guess not. Well, then, what do you say we.

[TC Carson]

Just forget all this and you move back in? Look, I'm not. I'm not telling you. I'm asking you.

[John Hinton]

I missed y'. All. That's all I missed. That's it. I love the way that. That all came together. But I was looking at that shirt with Overton on there, and it used to drive me crazy. I told Yvette, I said, why do I have to Every week I got to have this shirt on with my name. People knowing that. She said, nope, we're gonna keep doing it. She said. Cause people gonna know your name.

[Kim Coles]

Oh, wow.

[John Hinton]

I walk through airports. My middle name, they said, that's Overton Wakefield Jones. Why? That was. So she did that, and I'll never forget her for saying that. And people just. They really did know my name. And to this day, they might not even know the show. They might not even say, well, but I know you was Overton. You know, they got that. You know, so it was like, shout out to the creator of the show and Ms. Lee.

[Kim Coles]

Now, this is a powerful moment because the men make up.

[Erica Alexander]

I mean, the 90s pushed a certain type of toxic masculinity. It just did. We had. That's the age of gangster rap coming in. And hoes and, you know, the idea of bros before hoes. And you guys were the antidotes. Overton and Kyle, you're the blueprint for the future inside of a world that was turning decidedly, decidedly darker when it comes to how men saw women.

[John Hinton]

Yeah, but look who we had to work with. We had y', all, so we had to do it. You know, we. What else could we do? We were so fortunate to get this cast together and to work with each other and knew what we were presenting every week and people coming up and showing that love. Every time that apartment door opened up, somebody's favorite character was walking in.

[Kim Coles]

That's true.

[John Hinton]

And that was the thing. So we gotta look out for y'.

[Erica Alexander]

All.

[John Hinton]

You know, that's what we do, Shorty. It ain't no what.

[TC Carson]

And it was family from the beginning. Yeah, it was family from the beginning. And it was a safe space. It was a space to be creative. It was a space that you could actually leave yourself open for something strange to happen. And a lot of times, they would keep it.

[John Hinton]

And then you learn so much from baby sister. Cause she would just do. She would pick up a glass and make you laugh. She was all about. You would. Stage business.

[TC Carson]

Yes, yes.

[John Hinton]

She was all about find something to do. Look at her.

[TC Carson]

Find something to do.

[John Hinton]

And she started eating.

[Erica Alexander]

Oh, Lord.

[John Hinton]

Yeah, that was just. That was you. Something to do, right? And it's like you pick up on it. And that's what I was trying to. Cause like I said, it was my first acting gig. So I was just picking up on things that all of y' all did. So it was just. That was me. I was just like a sponge.

[Erica Alexander]

You're generous because you poured into us as much as you Were taking in, if not more, because just your very presence said something about our authenticity.

[Kim Coles]

So there's a legend of the two of you again, taking care of us, not only on the set, but off the set. So as a cast, we would go and go places. We would go on PR trips and, you know, PR appearances. And you all had the generosity to not only be the stars that you are, but you would also be protecting us. And there's a couple of stories of you playing security whether you wanted to or not.

[John Hinton]

We had to for the four of us. Yeah.

[Kim Coles]

How did you feel about that as.

[TC Carson]

We out with the. With our ladies, with our sisters? You have to be security.

[John Hinton]

That's it. Yeah.

[TC Carson]

And we didn't really think about how well we did have security every once in a while.

[John Hinton]

Yeah, every once in a while.

[Erica Alexander]

But you say you had to as if, you know, what else.

[John Hinton]

Yeah.

[TC Carson]

What else are you supposed to do?

[John Hinton]

Somebody had to look out for you. Like you. You. One time we were somewhere, and this guy, he wanted an autograph. He comes up to Kim Coles. He wants an autograph. He's like, I don't have a pen, but I'll give you a hug. And I'm like, no, you don't do that. That's what she would do. And one time, I was on the elevator with Lil Kim Fields, and this guy gets on afterwards, and obviously, he a fan. I see him looking at her, and he's a fan, and she's going to punch the button on her floor. And I'm like, oh, back up. Pick your floor, fella.

[Kim Coles]

Yeah, yeah.

[John Hinton]

He was just on there trying to see, you know, so we had to look out for. That's what we did, you know, so.

[Erica Alexander]

See, isn't that how sexy that was?

[John Hinton]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Kim Coles]

Go ahead.

[Erica Alexander]

That right there was, like, something that not necessarily a network and. Or producers could give us. By the way, we did have security. We had Michael Clark Duncan at the door.

[Kim Coles]

We had Michael.

[Erica Alexander]

Michael. And yet we had our personal, you know, brothers who were literally like, I don't know. You saw things before. We saw.

[Kim Coles]

Yeah.

[Erica Alexander]

I was gonna hear y' all saying, go, somebody get baby sister. Go get. Like you saw it.

[John Hinton]

Cause we had to look at the big picture, you know? Cause y' all were just in the moment. Y' all were just out there. Love, exciting and new. Y' all were just bored. See, y' all was just going. I'm sitting there watching, making sure everything is co. Cause I'm seeing people looking at y' all certain ways.

[TC Carson]

So, yeah, and that was the other thing. Like the attention was on you all. And neither one of us really craved that kind of attention.

[John Hinton]

Yeah.

[TC Carson]

So it was like, okay, you.

[Erica Alexander]

And I have to say that at least in my life, it is. It's the standard. It's the standard. No one should do less than what y' all did for us in terms of how we pick and choose men.

[Kim Coles]

Did you feel our love back at you? Was it returned in full?

[John Hinton]

Not at all.

[Erica Alexander]

Yes, we did.

[John Hinton]

To some self centered women too, man. That's the thing you can't do enough.

[Kim Coles]

You felt it back.

[John Hinton]

Oh, come on.

[TC Carson]

Oh, absolutely.

[John Hinton]

Yeah, we felt it.

[TC Carson]

You know, again, it was. It was fun. It wasn't going to work. You went to go hang out with your people. You went to go hang out with your people and make some magic. That's what work was. And you got paid.

[Kim Coles]

You all have this patented handshake greeting. Dap. Tell us all about the watchdog bow wow. What it comes from, what it means so the audience fully understands.

[John Hinton]

It came from the pilot. We were cheating, doing some game. Cause we pointed to the watch and barked or something. I was like, oh, it's watchdog bow wow. Yeah. Bow wow Bow wow.

[Erica Alexander]

Brilliant.

[John Hinton]

So that was. That was where it came from. And then the bow wow just came later.

[Kim Coles]

So that became your special sitcom, you know, catchphrase or brotherhood dad.

[John Hinton]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that was that. Watch dog. Love it. Oh, wow.

[Kim Coles]

It had rhythm. It had music. It had a musicality to it too.

[Erica Alexander]

Yeah, yeah.

[John Hinton]

Well.

[Kim Coles]

And you knew that everything was gonna be all right when y'. All. Watchdog bow wow.

[Erica Alexander]

This just shows also how fast your mind work. Like watchdog. He barks, points to his watch. Watchdog Bow. It's beautiful.

[Kim Coles]

It's beautiful. Did you all have any pre show rituals or pre show moments that you used to ground yourself before we worked each week?

[John Hinton]

No, I didn't.

[Kim Coles]

Other than we prayed.

[John Hinton]

Yeah, we pray as a group.

[Kim Coles]

We would pray. We prayed and then we would have a post ritual after Tate night. Once we went to Tuesdays, we would go over to the Hilton. To the Hilton.

[John Hinton]

To my hometown.

[TC Carson]

Yeah.

[John Hinton]

To the fabulous. Yep. And just sit there. And nobody knew who we were. And we were on like this show and we sit there and just every. Every Tuesday night, I got a lot of pictures from. Oh, I want to see them.

[TC Carson]

I do. I do, definitely.

[Kim Coles]

And whoever our guest star was, sometimes they would come.

[John Hinton]

They would come out with us. Yeah, I was enjoying the moment, man. You know, it was just like, look at. Look at what we Doing. It's like nobody else knew us, you know, because this is, you know, it's like before the show even aired. But it was always cool. We would always get together. We were always tight from the beginning.

[TC Carson]

Tight like glue.

[Kim Coles]

This is the reverb. Our time to reflect on the episode's themes and how they still echo throughout the culture.

[Erica Alexander]

So why do you think Kyle and Overton's relationship was so special?

[John Hinton]

I think we played well together. We were two totally different people. We were friends all through school, you know, back home in Cleveland, and we brought that and we had that love that, you know, that's how we ended up in New York. But we were different people and everybody stayed in they lane. You know, it's like he did his thing, I did my thing, and we just meshed because we had been friends for so long. So it was just. It was just a natural thing. That's what I thought. What about you?

[Erica Alexander]

You got an odd couple too, like blue collar, white collar, Metropolitan, Felix and Oscar. And very good friends, definitely.

[TC Carson]

And it was. I think I could have just said.

[John Hinton]

That instead of just. Just cut right to the taste. But you, you are so wise. You. You cut. You see what she did. Go on and tell her. But she already told us what's happening. But go on.

[TC Carson]

Well, I think it was us both coming to LA too. We were both new to the city. All this was both new to us and so. And our friendship was new. So coming to la, we were both experiencing this whole new world and so we didn't have a whole lot of friends.

[Kim Coles]

So you probably.

[TC Carson]

I know I didn't. Yeah, I know I didn't. So we were. My closest person was the person I was going to work with.

[John Hinton]

Yeah.

[Kim Coles]

Wow.

[TC Carson]

And so that helped to fuel the friendship on stage again. That was with everybody, though.

[Erica Alexander]

Yes.

[TC Carson]

We were out there and I didn't have a car at first. I was walking to the ranch. Remember I lived around the corner.

[John Hinton]

Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Yeah.

[TC Carson]

So you all were my world.

[John Hinton]

Yeah.

[Kim Coles]

So it's fortunate that you found in John and John, you found in TC the type of. Of integrity in, In. In a man that you could hang out with and even be friends because it could have turned out real, real different. Like you all, you enjoy. So you were different. You were coming from a different place, but still you found common ground to. To. To find. And I think it's the integrity because you both.

[TC Carson]

Hey, good people.

[Kim Coles]

Incredible. You're both good people.

[TC Carson]

Good people. Yeah.

[John Hinton]

Yeah. We were outsiders, you know, like I said, I think I. I had been here a few more years than you, but it was just. It was just the fact that we had something. We both realized how special it was to be with you guys. You know? Remember we did the pilot, and during that summer, Lil Kim Fields had that.

[TC Carson]

Play, and we went in Bagel.

[Kim Coles]

All that. You ventured to Winnebago for us.

[John Hinton]

And so we were just cool from the start, you know? And it was like, so that was just family. But like I told you all the time Tuesday night. Yeah, what I do, I fall in love. Cause I see y' all come out of makeup. I see y' all dressed up. And we. And we would sit in the back and, like, the audience would just go crazy, and we would try to figure out who. Which outfit it was. We'd say, oh, oh, that Latifah. Okay, that's queer. And then one time, Kim Fields had that gold lame or something on. We called her Peaches. Oh, no, that. Peaches right there.

[Kim Coles]

You had little side extra nicknames for us that we didn't even know about.

[John Hinton]

We threw some stuff around, but we would just sit there and watch and just love the audience reaction, because the audience loved you as much as we did.

[Erica Alexander]

And the male fans obviously reacted to you because you're a stockbroker. You say you got a lot of play. Like, can you talk a little bit about how people related to you?

[TC Carson]

I've had young people, young brothers come up and say they understood how to actually have conversation with women by listening to Kyle and how he dealt with you.

[Erica Alexander]

That's frightening.

[TC Carson]

No, no. But think about the conversations he had with Khadijah and the conversations he had with Regine and the conversations he had with Sinclair.

[Kim Coles]

He did, you know, so there was the comedy. Broad pieces, like, you women are always this, that. But there would always be a grounded moment in there somewhere.

[TC Carson]

And it was never disrespectful.

[Kim Coles]

Never.

[TC Carson]

It was never me. Well, it was.

[Kim Coles]

Y' all would have your mom cut.

[TC Carson]

Spirited, but not mean. Mean.

[Erica Alexander]

Not except to everyone. Except for Max.

[TC Carson]

Was he really mean?

[John Hinton]

Mean?

[Erica Alexander]

Is that a joke?

[John Hinton]

Yes.

[Erica Alexander]

Were you there for five years? But they were mean to each other on purpose.

[TC Carson]

But was that mean, though?

[Kim Coles]

But the joke.

[John Hinton]

Cause y' all loved each other, right? Yeah. This was.

[TC Carson]

So what's it mean if it was foreplay? What's it mean?

[Erica Alexander]

Because if it turns you on, it doesn't mean it's not mean.

[John Hinton]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Kim Coles]

Oh, but what does it say about you if it. If. If it's mean and it still turns you on?

[John Hinton]

Twisted System. That's some sick stuff. There you go. There you go. You cut right. There you go. That's some sick, twisted stuff right there. Like, that's a turn on. Yeah, see, there you go. And we go right back to that.

[Kim Coles]

Back to the nipple.

[John Hinton]

Hey, we're never too far away, by the way.

[Erica Alexander]

Nipple gate. You know, by the way, they did let you, your character, play with your nipples.

[TC Carson]

They did, several times.

[Erica Alexander]

He got to play with his nipp. They kept hiding. They kept putting more and more, you know, padding over as well.

[John Hinton]

They should whisper.

[Erica Alexander]

We can see your nipples and all.

[John Hinton]

That's right.

[Erica Alexander]

He's playing with his.

[John Hinton]

Yeah, that was different. Yeah, nobody. Nobody cared. Nobody cared about mine. But yours, on the other hand, y' all were getting all. Y' all was getting all them letters from. From the prisons. Oh, y. Oh. And. And it's like, look. Yeah, you. You can't do that to them prisoners. They. They sitting there watching every week and just waiting for that one time that Band Aid don't do his job. But I did. Look, I've said too much. I've said too much, but, yeah, it was really cold in the studio.

[TC Carson]

All the time.

[John Hinton]

Yeah, it was very cold. So Band Aid, we would always just stop, and we'd have to stop every Tuesday. Every Tuesday, somebody needed a nipple coverage.

[Kim Coles]

That's a credit to you all, too, that you didn't ever make us feel, you know, like, even if something was a little too much cleavage, a little. It wasn't like. It was like, baby sister, you might want.

[John Hinton]

You might want to tighten that up. That's true.

[Kim Coles]

And they would say that.

[Erica Alexander]

Yeah.

[Kim Coles]

Yeah. So what have men said to you, John, about your character?

[John Hinton]

It was the best feeling was, like, from my friends at home who thought it was legit. It was authentic. It was like, man, I ain't know, you know? And that was the best feeling to get love from your hometown and your actual friends who, like, I had real friends that would sit up there, they wouldn't just say something, you know, was good when it wasn't, you know, and it was like they thought it was legit, you know, and that was always a great feeling. Best compliments I got got. The best was from Sir Lawrence Fishburne.

[Erica Alexander]

Oh, what?

[John Hinton]

Wow. I was at some reward show, and he.

[Erica Alexander]

A reward.

[John Hinton]

I'm dressed up all nice and stuff, and this guy grabs my shoulder, turned around, and it's Lawrence Fishburne. And he said. He just looked at me, and, you know, that's an intense brother.

[Kim Coles]

For sure. For sure.

[John Hinton]

And you Gotta be ready for this intensity. And he looked at me and said, we all know. We all know your character. We've all grown up with your character. We love your character. And he just told me what a great job. And I'm sitting there. That was Laurence Fishburne. And he said he likes what I'm doing. And that just knocked me out. Wow. Yeah. I never considered myself an actor. I was a standup that got a very fortunate standup, you know? Cause it was at a time when they were using standups and to get that from these people that you really respect, and, you know, they doing good work. And when he said that, I was like, man, maybe I got something.

[Kim Coles]

Maybe I got something.

[John Hinton]

You know? So that was the best. But getting that love from your hometown and people that you really respect and you admire and they like what you're doing, you know, you can't beat that.

[Kim Coles]

I want to know, what moment did each of you feel that this was a hit or that this was gonna work? You were like, this is it. Uh.

[TC Carson]

Oh, the tango. Cause again, they cut it. They can cut what they wanna cut. They can let it go when they wanna let it go. So you don't really. I wasn't really looking for it to go long.

[Erica Alexander]

Oh, oh, you mean they can cut a series short? So you weren't looking forward to. Got it. You had a decidedly sort of pessimistic point of view about.

[TC Carson]

I was looking for the next gig.

[Kim Coles]

You were, like, waiting.

[Erica Alexander]

You know, I told. I told her the same thing.

[John Hinton]

Even with the cliffhanger, like, that.

[TC Carson]

I was looking for the next gig.

[John Hinton]

Really? Yeah.

[Erica Alexander]

I told Kim. I said, coming in. And to me, I said, it wasn't what people thought. Like, oh, when did you know? I was like, what? It was a gig. I kept thinking about, I'm gonna go to New York soon. I didn't think like you. Cause by that time, we were number one in the country. So you didn't believe your own lying eyes.

[TC Carson]

But I wasn't watching. I wasn't paying attention.

[Kim Coles]

That's right.

[Erica Alexander]

You're all watching it.

[TC Carson]

I wasn't paying attention to none of that. I was doing music.

[Erica Alexander]

Understood?

[John Hinton]

Yeah.

[Erica Alexander]

And what about you?

[John Hinton]

I knew we had something special. The pilot, when y' all was singing My Girls, I said, we got a show. I knew that watching y' all in the bathroom and you with the. With the plunger or whatever and everybody. You had to curl it on something, you know? And I. And I'm like, oh, we got something. And the reaction from the crowd and People loved you.

[TC Carson]

They did.

[John Hinton]

I knew that from jump. It wasn't a matter of if we got a show or not. It's like, oh, we got a show here. I was watching y' all and I'm just sitting in the back and I just had the biggest smile on my face. I knew pretty early.

[Erica Alexander]

Even as personalities here, you're the ying and the yang. You think, no, it's not going. You need a whole year. You're from the beginning. It's gonna go. And the relationship together, you know, as the characters and in you. What do you think the legacy of that is?

[TC Carson]

Brotherhood.

[John Hinton]

Yeah, brotherhood.

[TC Carson]

They took care of each other and they took care of their community. And I think those are two things that are really important for us right now in this country right now. We have to take care of each other and take care of our community.

[Erica Alexander]

So we love, love, love, love, love, love having both of y' all here. And we don't, we don't wanna let you go ever.

[John Hinton]

No.

[Erica Alexander]

So let's play a game. Truth or challenge?

[John Hinton]

Uh huh.

[Erica Alexander]

No, kids, this is similar to truth or dare? And we ask you to choose from the truth pile or the challenge pile.

[TC Carson]

Okay.

[Erica Alexander]

Okay. So truth or challenge?

[TC Carson]

All right.

[John Hinton]

Okay.

[Erica Alexander]

You wanna do John, I'll do John. Okay, go.

[Kim Coles]

Truth or challenge?

[John Hinton]

This is gonna be fun, right?

[Erica Alexander]

Yeah.

[TC Carson]

Okay.

[John Hinton]

All right. No.

[TC Carson]

Cause see, that said, it's going be truth.

[Kim Coles]

Okay. Is it true that you used to slip me the tongue?

[John Hinton]

Oh.

[TC Carson]

Inquiring minds want to know.

[John Hinton]

You. You said this was going to be fun.

[Erica Alexander]

That wasn't.

[John Hinton]

Well, you know, the thing is, I, I was, I was a method actor. Yeah.

[Kim Coles]

Actually, we would slip each other the tongue and they would have to call. Cut. Oh. Oh, John. Kim, we got that cut. We got that one. John. Kim.

[TC Carson]

Yeah, Kim.

[Kim Coles]

John, we got that one. It's like, hey, listen, I, I'm, I'm, I am also method, so. Thank you.

[John Hinton]

Thank you for always having fresh breath.

[Erica Alexander]

Truth and challenge. Truth. Did y' all actually have a thing with each other?

[Kim Coles]

A thing.

[John Hinton]

Yeah.

[Kim Coles]

Kept it professional?

[John Hinton]

Yeah. And we were very.

[Erica Alexander]

A professional.

[John Hinton]

We're very, very, very professional.

[Erica Alexander]

Okay.

[Kim Coles]

That's all I see.

[John Hinton]

Yes.

[Erica Alexander]

Truth or challenge?

[John Hinton]

Truth.

[Erica Alexander]

Is it true you and Erica me were buck naked underneath that kente cloth?

[TC Carson]

Oh, well, no, we were not buck naked.

[Erica Alexander]

I was.

[TC Carson]

We were semi naked.

[Kim Coles]

Semi. What's semi naked?

[TC Carson]

Parts were covered and parts were not covered.

[Erica Alexander]

You know what? And he complained that they didn't give him a big enough cover for his part.

[TC Carson]

I didn't.

[Erica Alexander]

There were several complaints lodged. I Don't think this is going to cover. Thank you. Thank you for playing us.

[John Hinton]

That was fun.

[TC Carson]

Was it?

[John Hinton]

It was fun.

[Erica Alexander]

Is it true that UTC slipped me Erica, more than the tongue on that white dress episode?

[TC Carson]

That was a hot ass episode.

[John Hinton]

It was.

[Erica Alexander]

It was.

[Kim Coles]

Did he slip you the tongue? Did you slip you?

[Erica Alexander]

No. Took me more than the tongue.

[Kim Coles]

More than the tongue. Oopsy daisy. Oh, Sookie. Sookie, out.

[Erica Alexander]

We were never a thing, but might get addicted. So nasty when you did that.

[John Hinton]

Oh, my gosh.

[Erica Alexander]

You see me break up. It's. That's me breaking up. Like, God.

[Kim Coles]

Well, I'm going to ask John this one. Just a while. Is there someone, a guest star that came on the show that you would have dated?

[Erica Alexander]

Oh, that's.

[John Hinton]

Oh, my goodness gracious.

[TC Carson]

Not as pretty as our fourth.

[John Hinton]

Absolutely. But we had. We had a few stunners, some showstoppers come through there.

[Kim Coles]

I told you, John loves women.

[John Hinton]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kim Coles]

A couple show stopping sizes. That's the other thing. You never made us feel as if. And you mentioned that our bodies were wrong at any point. And that's not always the case behind the scenes. You know, the suits are like, you're gaining too much weight or you're not this. Or you're too much this. Or not enough this.

[John Hinton]

And I was back there feeding y' all snacks. I'm concerned there could never be too much of you here. Help us out. Help us always have snacks. Always. You know, I believe, mama. You know I believe in snacking, girl, please. Yes, indeed.

[Erica Alexander]

Well, I think it's now time for True Blue. All right, so this week we have Ladara. And her question is, what were romantic scenes like with people you consider. Was it ever weird or awkward? Yes. I think it was awkward to kiss tc.

[Kim Coles]

Was it?

[Erica Alexander]

Yeah. Because we felt very much like brother and sister. And since we are born on the same day, we're very much aligned.

[TC Carson]

It was. It was weird. It was fun, too, though.

[John Hinton]

That's so fun. I need that face. That should be too much pressure. Oh, my gosh.

[Erica Alexander]

You know? Cause you'd be looking at me and your eyes be shining and wondering.

[John Hinton]

Acting.

[Erica Alexander]

Yes, you did.

[TC Carson]

You were.

[Erica Alexander]

But I didn't, you know, But I actually felt very. Well, no, I felt very. When you feel like somebody's looking at you and you're like, oh, gosh, I feel very shy. Like when he would look at me and be like, come here, baby. And I'd be like, oh, God, I don't want to be shy, and I want shy.

[Kim Coles]

And also for you, you hadn't been with lots and lots and lots of men.

[Erica Alexander]

Like it was r. I married the.

[Kim Coles]

Second man, you know, Richard, you married.

[Erica Alexander]

The second man I ever dated in tc.

[Kim Coles]

In tc.

[John Hinton]

Wow. I have now.

[Kim Coles]

You've had thousands since then.

[John Hinton]

Yeah.

[Erica Alexander]

In Hollywood.

[Kim Coles]

No, no, no, not at all.

[Erica Alexander]

What did you say?

[Kim Coles]

No, no, no. I'm laughing the opposite because she's always said, well, there's some stuff that she's been saying that's been like, you haven't. You're not.

[Erica Alexander]

I wish my pussy had gone on the road more. There's no doubt about it. You know, I would put it out there.

[TC Carson]

Living in Cleveland now, right? How long you been in Cleveland?

[Kim Coles]

He's still.

[John Hinton]

He's still.

[Erica Alexander]

I wish it had been more of an off road vehicle. It didn't have to stay in one lane all the time.

[TC Carson]

How about those Browns, huh?

[Erica Alexander]

What kind of self discipline that season I had it.

[John Hinton]

I think we got. We got every now and then we got Coach Primer for me.

[TC Carson]

Bring us back.

[Kim Coles]

It was quite a delight. I was a fan of John Hinton. I was so enamored of you as a performer. I watched you on the Tonight show that night. After that, you became a star. And when I heard that you were gonna be playing on this show and I was like, ooh, this is nice, you know, and because I was there early on, I knew that Yvette was gonna put the two of us together. I was very excited, very delighted, and certainly. Who wouldn't be attracted to you? So very attracted. I appreciated our scenes. We had been working together. And so I felt safe in your arms. So I enjoyed it.

[Erica Alexander]

She's such a star.

[Kim Coles]

Oh, gosh. Why does she go there?

[Erica Alexander]

It's true. The way you set it up.

[Kim Coles]

I'm sure we both have heard people talk about the sweetness of Overton and Sinclair and the romantic nature and that here was a man that wooed this woman and courted her, I think, to use your term. And so people really looked at that in a beautiful light. And someone said that if the two of them had been on another show, we would have been at least nominated for Emmys because you hadn't seen that in a black couple. And it was beautiful to play.

[John Hinton]

Remember the first time we kissed and all these. And I was high fiving people because the audience wanted this man, so we had to do it. And it was easy working with you because they got the mints right there. We take mints. And the breath. My breath is so fresh and so clean. Clean. Nobody dope as me. We Take it. We got the mints and. And everything. It was good. My accountant asked me, he said, oh, boy, is. Is Kim Cole a good kisser? And I said, cuz he could tell cuz we was kissing for real. And he said. He said, boy, it sure look like this. It sure look. And I was like, look here, man. And I was getting paid for that, too. I was on the clock to kiss.

[Kim Coles]

You and get paid for it was my delight.

[John Hinton]

Oh, that was. That. That was. It was fun. It was. It was like fresh breath and nice lips and look here. No, nothing awkward about this. I tell you what, look how when.

[Erica Alexander]

Y' all would break apart, you would all. You would walk away kind of drunk and Kim would smack her lips like. I mean, it was hilarious.

[Kim Coles]

As the characters or as ourselves?

[John Hinton]

Both. Both. Yeah. I have that effect on. You know, she put it on you like that, and then she would be like, you got to be ready for all of that. Because we were active. We was just professional.

[Kim Coles]

Professional.

[John Hinton]

We were so professional.

[Kim Coles]

It was on the page.

[John Hinton]

We expect a certain level of professionalism.

[Kim Coles]

Well done.

[TC Carson]

Profession, indeed.

[Kim Coles]

I kept it fresh.

[Erica Alexander]

In the puss.

[Kim Coles]

I kept it. I kept. Kept it fresh for you, bro.

[Erica Alexander]

My God.

[Kim Coles]

You're welcome. Well, that's our show. Anything for the show.

[Erica Alexander]

That is our show. Thank you, T.C.

[Kim Coles]

Thank you.

[Erica Alexander]

And John Hinton.

[TC Carson]

Oh, thank you.

[Erica Alexander]

Thank you, thank you. Bravo. Big platform. Thank you.

[TC Carson]

John. Good to see you, man.

[John Hinton]

Good to see you, my brother. Good to see my sister.

[Erica Alexander]

And we've been waiting for this a long time. And everybody's going to be thrilled.

[John Hinton]

Hey, we love y'.

[Kim Coles]

All.

[TC Carson]

Absolutely.

[John Hinton]

Just as long as y' all know that.

[TC Carson]

And did you just say fabulous?

[John Hinton]

Fabulous. Because that's what they. That's what they do, aren't they?

[Kim Coles]

If you want to send in a true blue question, you can do that to the email that will be provided.

[Erica Alexander]

Below me and please follow, like, subscribe all of those things. Thank you. That's our show. Reliving Single is hosted by me, Erica Alexander and me, Kim Coles. Reliving Single is a production of Heartbeat in association with Color Farm Media, Executive.

[Kim Coles]

Produced by Kevin Hart, Jeff Clanagan, Eric Eddings, Leslie Guam, Erica Alexander and Ben Arnon.

[Erica Alexander]

The show is produced by Ken, Kim Coles.

[Kim Coles]

Amber Watson is our senior producer.

[Erica Alexander]

Our associate producer is Kenny Jackson.

[Kim Coles]

Our video editor is NI Kirschman.

[Erica Alexander]

Our sound engineers are Eric Hicks and Cedric Wilson.

[Kim Coles]

Production supervision by Razak Boykin and Brett Calkins.

[Erica Alexander]

Additional production support from Alex Atkins and Z. Taylor.

[Kim Coles]

Special thanks to BK Augustine and Dr. E.J. johnson.