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The question of the ancient philosophers was also the deeper question of why. Is there any purpose for birds? Is there a purpose for wind and for water, for stars and for the moon? And is there any purpose to human existence? They're asking for the goal or the end? This is a profoundly theological question.
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Millennia philosophers have sought to answer the question of why. Why do we exist? What is the goal of life? This is a question that most of us ask at some point as well. Who am I, and why am I here? You're listening to the Monday edition of Renewing youg Mind as we begin another week of study with R.C. sproul. As Dr. Sproul said, the question of why is deeply theological. But as people have answered that question differently, those ideas have had consequences and have helped shape the world in which you and I live. Here's RC Sproul as he takes us back to the 6th century BC to a time before Jesus was born, even before Socrates was born, and introduces us to a man named Thales and the question that he was seeking to answer.
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I remember back in the days of radio that one of the popular programs on the air was later then made into a television program, was called Truth or Consequences, where the contestants would be asked a question, and if they failed to give the proper response, then they'd have to go through some kind of silly penalty. Well, as we gather now for this course, an overview of the history of philosophy, I would like to think of this course in terms of the idea of truth and consequences. Because sometimes it's important for us to stop and think that ideas have consequences. In fact, just about everything that happens in this world is preceded by some idea. An artist doesn't produce his work without first having some concept in his mind of what it is he wants to create in his medium. But far beyond the realm of art and music, the whole concept of political theory, by which nations rise and by which they fall, are all related in the final analysis, to ideas, to concepts. And so it's very important, particularly for Christians to understand something about the historical process of theoretical thought and how ideas have interacted with our own Christian faith and belief system. And so what I want to do is give a brief historical overview. This is of an introductory nature. This is not an advanced course in technical philosophy. So we'll be skating lightly over the surface of the historical progress. Now, obviously, when we begin our study of. Of philosophy, we're going to be looking at it in terms of the history of Western philosophical thought. And the textbooks will frequently tell us that Western philosophy started on May 28, 585 B.C. now, I'm not exactly sure what time of the day that was that philosophy was born. Well, the reason for this date is not arbitrary, but it is because on this date in antiquity, a solar eclipse took place. And what was so extraordinary about this eclipse of the sun was that it was predicted in advance by a very capable scientist whose name was Thales. And Thales lived in Ionia, and he is generally regarded to be the founder of ancient Greek philosophy. Now, this date's important to us for this reason, from a Christian perspective. We know that long before Thales began his inquiry into. Into philosophical matters, that a lot of philosophical thinking had been done in the east, and certainly among the Hebrews, because we have a philosophical depository of great richness that is found in the Old Testament that predates the work of Thales. But here we're focusing on the development of a special school of thought, a special science that we associate with ancient Greek civilization. So the first group of philosophers that we will look at by way of introduction is that group of philosophers called the pre Socratics. Now, that's a pretty simple concept, isn't it? Pre means beforehand. And the Presocratics refer to, to those philosophers who were engaged in their work before Socrates. Now, just about everybody's heard about Socrates and his famous student Plato and Plato's famous student Aristotle and so on. But philosophy in the west did not begin with Socrates. There was a significant development of theoretical thought before Socrates ever appeared on the scene. And so when we look at origins, we start with this fellow by the name of Thales. Now, what Thales was trying to solve was perhaps the most ancient question of all that thinkers grappled with and wrestled with. And we can call that the question or the problem of the one and the many, the one and the many. Another way that we can describe this problem or this question is by speaking of the relationship between unity and diversity. I frequently talk about the simple word that we hear every day, the word universe or the word university. And the term universe is one of those mongrel words where we take two diverse words and of jam them together and coin an entirely new word. And the two words that are jammed together to create the word universe are the words unity and diversity. And so the very idea of a universe is that we are living in a system of reality that has all kinds of specific, different things. There we behold a multitude of diverse objects. We see chickens and pigs and grass and flowers and houses and roads and cars. All these specific individual Things that are diverse, one from another. Well, the ancient Greek philosopher was asking the question, how do all these bits of reality that we encounter every day fit together? Is there anything that provides unity to this wide diversity of experience that we have? Is the world in which we live a symphony in the final analysis? Or is it cacophony? Carl Sagan raised the question, is it cosmos or is it chaos? And the difference between cosmos and chaos is simply the difference between an orderly structure and that which admits to no order. And anything that is ordered has to have something that makes everything cohere, that makes everything unified. Now, we go away from the word universe and we go to the word university. And that is an institution where allegedly, we go to look at the individual disciplines like biology and chemistry and astronomy and mathematics and sociology and history and psychology and all these different disciplines where you can go to one school and learn all about these diverse fields of inquiry. But the assumption is that in the university we can discover an integrated, coherent view of the world in which we live. Now, that whole question of the one and the many, unity and diversity was the question that this scientist in the 6th century BC by the name of Thales, was passionately engaged in trying to resolve. And what he was looking for is what we call ultimate reality. Now, what does he mean, or what do the ancient thinkers mean by ultimate reality? Well, one of the technical terms that we learn in the study of philosophy is the word metaphysics. Metaphysics. We're all familiar with the term physics because physics describes the natural world of forces and powers and things and how they interact. Metaphysics is the attempt by the philosopher to go above and beyond the seen world that we encounter with our five senses from day to day, to search for that which is above and beyond the physical realm from which everything comes and by which everything gains its ultimate unity and harmony. Another concern that the ancient Greeks had was for the word that they called telos. We get the word teleology from this word telos, and the Greek word telos can be translated by the English words end or goal or purpose. And so the question of Thales and of the ancient philosophers was not simply, what is everything made of? And how did it come to pass? But also the deeper question of why? Why are things the way that they are? Is there any purpose for birds? Is there a purpose for wind and for water, for stars and for the moon? Is there any purpose to human existence? That was a serious teleological question. That is, they're asking for the goal or the end. This is a profoundly Theological question for those of us who are Christians. In fact, the old Westminster Shorty Catechism begins with the first question, what is man's chief end? That is, it's asking, what is the purpose or the telos of human existence? Well, these were the kinds of questions that were being raised by the pre Socratic philosophers. I once talked to a fellow who's currently the head of the philosophy department of a very prestigious university in America. And I knew him when he was a student and he was working on his PhD in Philosophy at that time. And we were having a conversation and he said, you know the thing that amazes me most about philosophy? And I said, no, what's that? And he said, all of the questions that are wrestled with by modern thinkers were already explored in antiquity. And he said, I've discovered there are only so many questions to ask about reality. And those fellows back there asked them all. Maybe they weren't quite as refined and sophisticated as some later thinkers were. But at a fundamental introductory way, the ancient Presocratic philosophers were honing in on the most basic questions of human existence. Well, again, the first question is, what is this ultimate reality? Or for the Greek, it was the question, what is the arche, the chief, the ruling stuff out of which everything comes? It was the search for essence. When we talk about the word essence, we talk about essence or substance, or the simplest word is stuff. I remember when I lived in Holland, was going to school over there and trying to learn that language and was impressed by how graphic the language was, because we went to the store to get a vacuum sweeper and we discovered that the name of a vacuum sweeper was a stoffsacker, which literally means a stuff sucker. You run this machine over the carpet and it sucks up all of the stuff that is there. So we can get somewhat abstract when we talk about essence or substance, or we can get right down to the nitty gritty when we're talking about the stuff of life and of reality. Well, for Thales, Thale said that the ultimate essence, the ultimate stuff, the ultimate substance, the arche, the ultimate reality from which everything comes in the universe is water. Water. Now, do you remember when Paul met with the philosophers on Mars Hill in Athens at the seat of ancient culture, and he engaged in some discussions with these philosophers on that occasion. It was the Stoics and the Epicureans, and he noticed that they had an altar to an unknown God. And he then began to preach to them. And he said, that which you worship in ignorance, I declare to you in power. And didn't even your poets understand that it is within God or in him that we live and move and have our being. Remember that three things that Paul said about that In God we live, we move, we have our being. Now, Paul understood, I'm sure at that time that he was addressing the three biggest questions of ancient philosophy. Because the ancient philosopher and scientist, like Thales, was interested in what is the being or substance or stuff out of which everything comes? What is the stuff or substance or origin of life? And how can we account for this great mystery of motion? Why do things move? How did they get started moving in the first place? You hear cosmologists telling us today about the their theories of the origin of the universe, the Big Bang idea, where for all eternity, all of the matter and energy of the universe was compressed into this infinitesimal point of singularity, remained organized and stable, presumably for eternity. And then on one Wednesday afternoon at 2:00, boom, it blows up. And the question is begged immediately, is, if there is such a law as the law of inertia, that things that are at rest stay at rest unless acted upon by an outside force, you ask, what was the outside force that stepped into this picture of eternal organization and caused this explosive change? In other words, who moved? Something moved. How did that motion start? Those are the questions that Thales was trying to answer. And again, we might smile or even smirk when we hear that his answer to all of these things was water. It seems so naive and pre scientific and unsophisticated to us, but think about it for a moment. First of all, in trying to understand being the essence of things, he noticed that everything in his experience, whether they were animals, vegetables or minerals, appeared to his eyes in one of three forms. His whole experience of reality was an experience of things that were either solid or liquid or gas. And he said, no matter how diverse this diversity is, we can reduce everything that we encounter to one of these three things. A solid, a liquid or gas. Now he said, if I can look beyond that and say, is there some underlying metaphysical stuff that will account for these three different forms of things? And so he looked for a substance that had the power or the ability to exist in any of these three forms. And what was the most obvious candidate? It was water. Water in its natural state is a liquid. When it freezes, it becomes a solid, and when it evaporates, it becomes steam or a gas. And so he said, so everything must be made out of water, either in the hardened form, like ice or the liquid form, or the gaseous Form. And they say, well, okay, how can I account for life? Well, all of the life that I discover around me seems to require water. For a seed to grow, it must become wet before it can germinate. And for human beings and animals and flowers and grass, to grow and to continue to live requires a constant replenishing with water. Water seems to be necessary to life. And if that's the case, then maybe it is the most basic substance that creates life itself. So now he has a preliminary answer to the problem of being, the problem of life. But he still was left with the problem of motion. How can I account for motion? He said. Well, to account for motion in light of a primitive understanding of inertia, he said, we have to look for some substance that is hylozoistic. Now, that's just a fancy word that means self propelled. Something that has the ability to move itself. We have a word for that in English, and it's the word auto, which means self. Right. Mobile. An automobile is something that has the power of mobility in and of itself, at least when it's working and the gas tank is filled and so on, and you don't have to push it to make it go. But the idea of motion being explained required that something, somehow, somewhere, had the ability to move itself. Because if everything were at rest and eternally at rest, and if the law of inertia is true, how long would it stay at rest? Forever. And when we see something move like this chalk up in the air, we realize that the chalk is still now, it's inert until acted upon by an outside force, which is my hand. And I exert pressure, my arm is moving. I let go the chalk and the chalk moves. And so motion is caused by some previous motion. And if that previous motion is caused by motion prior to that, then we have to ask what caused that motion. And we keep asking that question, how long? Forever. And we get into an infinite regress that doesn't make any sense unless we find something that has the ability to move on its own. Well, for Thales, that was water, because water has the ability to move. How did he know that? By observing rivers. And he noticed that creeks were running, that there was a current of moving water. He noticed that he couldn't see anything that was tugging at the seas to make them move. He didn't know anything about the tidal forces of the gravitational pull of the moon and that sort of thing. To his naked eye, in antiquity, it seemed like water was churning and moving on its own without being dependent on something outside. Of itself. So you look at these things and you say, wow, maybe he wasn't so foolish after all, because he's given us a basic explanation for being for life and for motion. And so for him, the answer to all of the mysteries of the one and the many could be found in one ultimate reality called water.
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That was R.C. sproul introducing us to Thales from the 6th century B.C. as we begin a week on Renewing your Mind, considering the ideas that have shaped the world in which we live, and as you listen each day, I encourage you to also listen to the conversations you're having with unbelievers, because you'll likely hear echoes of these ideas all around you. My wife uses this teaching from Dr. Sproul as we homeschool our children and many other families do as well. I recall speaking to one man who said it was this very series that the Lord used to renew his mind and draw him into Ligonier's deep library. Teaching the Consequences of Ideas is the name of the series. It's 35 messages and we have a special edition DVD set that can be yours with your donation of any amount@renewingyourmind.org or when you call us at 800-435-4343. This special edition set is not for sale in the Ligonier Store and is only available with your donation, so I encourage you to visit renewingyourmind.org or use the link in the podcast Show Notes to give your donation. When you do, we'll also send you Dr. Sproul's companion book, also titled the Consequences of Ideas. So that's a special edition DVD set and the teaching in print for those who prefer to read. When you give a donation in support of Renewing youg Mind and ligonier ministries@renewingyourmind.org thank you for your generosity. Thales concluded that ultimate reality was water. Well, other philosophers would come along and say, no, maybe it's wind, maybe it's fire, maybe it's earth. Wind and fire and water. Altogether, these philosophers were asking a lot of questions and they came up with some very interesting answers, and RC Sproul will continue exploring those answers tomorrow here on Renewing your Mind.