CLASSIC: The Nature of Ephemera, with Alex Williams

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Ridiculous History

Episode: CLASSIC: The Nature of Ephemera, with Alex Williams
Date: July 25, 2026
Hosts: Ben Bowlin & Noel Brown
Guest: Alex Williams (Host of Ephemeral)

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Episode Overview

This “classic” episode of Ridiculous History reunites hosts Ben and Noel with their friend and podcasting colleague Alex Williams, the creator of the show Ephemeral. The episode dives deep into the concept of ephemera—items meant to be fleeting—and how collecting, remembering, and reframing these fleeting moments or artifacts can give insight into both personal and cultural histories. A significant portion of the discussion is devoted to the haunting saga of the Collier Brothers, legendary New York hoarders, as well as broader reflections on the nature and purpose of collecting things not meant to last.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. What is Ephemera?

• Definition Nuances:
  • Alex shares his “elevator pitch” for Ephemeral:

    "A show about fleeting moments and the things they leave behind." (Alex, 07:59)

  • While ephemera is classically defined as objects like broadsides, tickets, or pamphlets—items not meant to be kept—the team discusses how the meaning extends to anything created for temporary use but sometimes survives as a window into the past.
    • Quote:

      “How do you determine whether something was meant to be saved or not?” (Alex, 08:46)

• Linguistic Roots:
  • Alex explains the word’s etymology:

    “Ephemera comes from the root words ‘epi’—honor of—and ‘hemera’—day. Used in the Age of Enlightenment to describe things that only last for a day...like the mayfly.” (Alex, 11:24)

  • Ephemera as a concept is relative; what’s “fleeting” in a human life is not the same as in geology.

2. Why Do We Save the Unsavable?

• The inherent contradiction and curiosity about why we end up treasuring objects meant for quick disposal—old train schedules, stamps, or newspapers—pervades the episode.
  • Quote:

    "Now, the ones that are around are considered to be things that have historical value...But when they were printed, they were thought to have a very short lifespan." (Ben, 08:59)

3. The Collier Brothers: A Case Study in Extreme Collection

[Segment Begins ~13:10]

• Who Were the Colliers?
  • The Collier brothers, Langley and Homer, were reclusive siblings who infamously hoarded 180 tons of “urban junk” in their Harlem brownstone (14:05).
• Legend and Folklore:
  • Their story became urban legend—a cautionary tale that even inspired the term “Collier’s mansion syndrome” for dangerous hoarding conditions in NYC apartments.
  • Franz Lidz is credited as their biographer, providing first-hand childhood memories and recounting the brothers' history and their eventual demise.
• Racial and Social Context:
  • Harlem’s transformation, gentrification, and subsequent racist housing practices provide the backdrop for the Collier brothers’ increasing isolation.
  • The brothers, some of the last white residents in their area, became ghostly, infamous local characters (17:11).
• Timeline of Decline:
  • Both were child prodigies; Homer achieved advanced degrees, Langley played Carnegie Hall.
  • Their mother’s quiet death, Homer’s blindness and illness, Langley’s obsessive caretaking, and their retreat from society led to the construction of booby traps and an impenetrable labyrinth of hoarded objects.
• Booby Traps:
  • The Colliers constructed elaborate traps out of their detritus for fear of intruders, spurred by rumors and an attempted break-in following tales of hidden wealth (28:02).
  • Quote:

    “They just...really wanted to be left alone. I mean, there certainly is some paranoia and some fear built into that collecting habit.” (Alex, 28:25)

4. The Tragic End

[Key Segment Begins ~29:35]

• In March 1947, police received an anonymous tip about a body at the Collier house. Breaking through extensive barriers of trash and foul air, they found Homer dead—having died of neglect.
  • Weeks later, Langley’s body was found just ten feet away, killed by one of his own traps while trying to deliver food to his brother (33:13).
  • Quote:

    “He was coming to bring him food and caught one of his own booby traps.” (Alex, 33:38)

5. The Psychological and Urban Symbolism

• The story is seen as a nightmare reflection of New York’s cramped, cluttered life, and raises questions: Does collecting ephemeral debris create a burden or a badge of identity?
  • Quote:

    "Is there anything wrong with being a hoarder or collecting things? No, but this speaks to something, I think, a little bigger than that: that paranoia and the fact that these two were all they had." (Noel, 34:11)

6. Broader Themes: Ephemeral Moments in Media & Culture

• The team discusses modern examples of ephemera: old audio formats (e.g., Betamax tapes), answering machine messages, and how these “forgotten” items shape collective memory.
  • Quote:

    “The idea of these things that kind of came and went, left an impression, and now it’s almost this kind of specter that hangs over society.” (Noel, 44:45)

7. Ephemeral’s Broader Content

• Alex highlights recent episodes:
  • Interview with Sarah Wasserman on the academic study of ephemera (40:15).
  • Episode on the lost music of the Ottoman American diaspora, with record collector Ian Nagoski.
    • Quote:

      “Some of these records...are so abused, and [Nagoski] does everything he can to salvage them, to save them, to learn as much as he can about the performers.” (Alex, 42:00)

8. Unique Format and Artistic Style

• Noel praises Alex’s approach:
  • Quote:

    "I describe [Ephemeral] to friends as something akin to poetry meets sound, collage meets musee concrete meets history." (Noel, 06:57)

• Ben likens the show’s associative structure to the film Waking Life (43:46).

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On the challenge of defining ephemera:

  "I was thinking of a quick pitch in bed the other night...a show about fleeting moments and the things they leave behind."
  — Alex Williams (07:59)

• On the Collier brothers’ notoriety:

  "Their accomplishment, such as it was, confirms...that they're crumpled people living in crumpled rooms with their crumpled possessions. The crowded chaos of the city refracted in their homes."
  — Franz Lidz (14:40)

• On the booby traps:

  "They just...really wanted to be left alone. I mean, there certainly is some paranoia and some fear built into that collecting habit."
  — Alex Williams (28:25)

• On losing and remembering:

  "All is ephemeral, both what remembers and what is remembered."
  — Marcus Aurelius, quoted by Noel (10:42)

• On the show's creative blend:

  "It's not something you can just encapsulate in a quick elevator pitch."
  — Noel (12:58)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 03:12: Introduction, banter about summer heat, podcast team greetings
• 06:11: Introduction of guest Alex Williams and the Ephemeral podcast
• 07:59: Alex’s core definition of ephemera and the show
• 13:13: Introduction to the Collier Brothers story (w/audio clip)
• 17:11: Social and racial context of the Collier brothers’ Harlem
• 22:26: Discussion of the brothers’ talents and lives pre-isolation
• 29:35: The downfall—discovery of the brothers’ bodies and media frenzy
• 40:15: Alex discusses other recent episodes of Ephemeral
• 44:45: Contemporary examples of ephemera (Betamax, answering machines)
• 46:42: Alex remembers producing Ridiculous History, thanks and sign-offs

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Conclusion & Further Listening

The episode is equal parts history podcast, personal reflection, and meta-discussion about why we are drawn to what is “supposed” to be impermanent. The Collier brothers’ eccentric, tragic lives become emblematic of both New York’s history and the strange afterlife of discarded things. The show ends with gratitude for audience and staff, and several recommendations for further listening, particularly the Ephemeral podcast itself, for stories about lost artifacts, forgotten music, and other “fleeting moments and the things they leave behind.”

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Transcript

[Ben]

Fellow ridiculous historians, this week's classic episode is incredibly special to us. Back in 2019 or thereabouts, our good, good friend of the show, a brother in arms to all of us, a guy named Alex Williams, co created with his own brother, our super producer Max Williams, a show called Ephemera Indeed.

[Noel]

And on this episode we talked to Alex, the creator of Ephemeral, on the nature of his podcast, which is out there for you to enjoy, as well as a story about the Collier brothers.

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[Noel]

My name is Noel. The shipping container is icy cool today. And outside it is sort of. There's this MIAs, this sort of funk, this patina of awful hot, sweaty grossness that does kind of envelop the city. And it happened overnight, didn't it? It just happened overnight.

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Yeah. It permeated this fair metropolis of ours. I always forget about how dire the situation becomes when we hit summer in Atlanta. And you know, this may mean that we're in here recording more episodes. We do want to start the show but with a big shout out to our guest super producer Ramsay Ramjams Yunt. So everybody give him a fine hello.

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[Noel]

Gone but not forgotten. Gone, I say. But gone where?

[Ben]

Ben, we were talking about this. So I have a theory. Every year or so Casey disappears and in France someone else reappears. A very different person who happens to look a little bit like our dear friend Casey Pegram. This guy, we imagine is a member of the criminal underbelly of Paris, known only by the name Le Bush.

[Noel]

Yeah, and he dons a completely different getup in the form of a very slick looking leather jacket, a single dangly cross earring on his left ear. On his left ear. And sometimes he wears fingerless gloves and rides around on one of those cool little mod motorbikes, you know, that you see in all the. In the pictures.

[Ben]

Yeah. And we strongly suspect that he may have one or more secret families.

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It's true. None of this. We can neither confirm nor deny any of this. We are wildly speculating.

[Ben]

It's all true, though. Put the pieces together, people.

[Noel]

All right, we're have to let Casey have his day in court here and defend himself. But, you know, Casey's not here. We're joined with Ramsey helping us pick up the slack here while Casey's doing his double life. But then that's not the only person that we have on the show today, is it, Ben?

[Ben]

That's absolutely true. This is a special episode that I know we were both very excited about. We have in our network a brand new podcast that we're all huge fans of. Sincerely huge fans of. And it happens to be created by one of our close friends who you may have heard mentioned on our show or other shows before. Folks, let's give it up for Alex Williams, the brains behind the podcast we call Ephemeral, because that's the name of the podcast. Hi.

[Noel]

Alex makes us call it that just by virtue of having titled it, it being a very good title and a very fine podcast. Thank you for being here.

[Alex Williams]

What a flattering introduction. I'm very happy to be here.

[Noel]

Here's the thing. We've been working with you for quite some time now. We've kind of seen you grow and develop and become more and more of a badass in what the pros refer to as the podcast space. I'm making wild gesticulating quote fingers when I say that, as you must, but you. But here's the thing. You really took it another level in terms of making not only a history podcast, but something that I refer to, and I describe it to friends as something akin to like poetry meets sound, collage meets musee concrete meets history. And I think it's just a really beautiful piece of work. And I'm just beyond stoked that it's on our network and that you're the guy behind it.

[Ben]

So we'd like to ask you.

[Alex Williams]

That was such a good pitch. I don't know if I could pull that up, but that was great.

[Ben]

It was good. Well, now it is your turn. So we'd like to ask you some questions about Ephemeral, about your. Your inspiration behind it. But first. Yeah, with that excellent description that Noel just recited, how would you describe it? How do you describe it? When someone's like, hey, what's this thing you're working on?

[Alex Williams]

I start stammering and sweating and I try to make it as concise as possible. I was thinking of a quick pitch in bed the other night. It's something like a show about fleeting moments and the things they leave behind.

[Kit]

Mm.

[Noel]

I like that because that's what ephemera is. Right. Ephemera is sort of a remnant of a thing that no longer is around, I guess, kind of. Or the idea of things being ephemeral means that they're fleeting or that they're here today, gone tomorrow. But they do leave behind some kind of residue, if you know where to look.

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[Alex Williams]

So the word itself is kind of tricky. In the textbook, ephemera might just mean paper, right?

[Ben]

Broadsides, tickets, pamphlets for museums, basically anything

[Alex Williams]

printed, hand printed, you know, printing press, computer printed, that wasn't meant to be saved. But then it gets into the issue of, like, how do you determine whether something was meant to be saved or not?

[Ben]

Right. Like, for instance, a train schedule from the early 1900s. Now, the ones that are around are considered to be things that have historical value, Right. But when they were printed, they were thought to have a definitive and very short lifespan or span of utility.

[Alex Williams]

One of the really classic examples is the stamp. The episode I'm working on that'll come out, Monday is about this. Well, Monday, that might not be the Monday.

[Ben]

It'll come out on a Monday.

[Alex Williams]

It'll come out on a Monday. I don't know when this will come out, but a stamp is a really classic example. Right, so you've written a letter to your friend Noel and you've stamped it and you've put it in the mailbox and he gets it and he rips it open and reads the letter and he's overwrought with emotion. Whatever he throws out or hopefully recycles the. And that's it. But Noel happens to have a great stamp collection and I've sent him inverted Jenny stamp from the 1930s. And so he is overwrought with emotion, not because of my great prose, but because this is a great addition to

[Ben]

his stamp collection because he is a filletist or filetist. Is that what it is, how it's pronounced? Yeah. P H I L, A T I S T. One who collects stamps.

[Alex Williams]

What's the root word of filetist?

[Noel]

Sorry, could also be one who filets. You know, that's what I would think, a filetist. Because that's how the British pronounce filet. They pronounce it fillet.

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[Noel]

They do a hard T sound at the end of it. I always find that very interesting because sometimes the Brits seem like they really own the word, and sometimes they just feel like they're mispronouncing it just to be cute. Cute. Sort of like aluminium. Like, that's not the word. Brits, Come on. It's aluminum. You're adding syllables in there that don't belong.

[Alex Williams]

There's letters added in that pronunciation.

[Ben]

It feels as though that's the case with American English. To be fair, we can't really criticize the people who are doing it first.

[Noel]

That's also fair, Ben.

[Ben]

If they want to add an extra PE on shop, then that's kind of their call.

[Nick Turturro]

Yeah.

[Ben]

To answer that question about etymology, it's interesting because it comes from French and Greek. So atelier means exemption from payment. The French filo means loving. So it's loving, exemption from payment. Which is weird, right?

[Alex Williams]

No, but it makes sense. But don't ask me to explain it.

[Ben]

Well, we can learn more about this. What are you exploring on this episode concerning stamps?

[Alex Williams]

Oh, well, it's all over. It's much more than, you know. One of the things that we're doing is actually taking the word apart in this episode. So ephemera comes from the root words epi, meaning honor of, like epicurious, epidermis, and hemera, meaning day. It's like a Latin, Greek combination word. And so it starts being used by people in, you know, the age of enlightenment, I guess, to describe things that only last for a day. The mayfly, you know, certain species of plants that flower and wither in a day. And then, you know, becomes with time, more broadly used to describe things that don't last a long time, you know, are fleeting. And that's where you start getting into trouble, because, like, in a, you know, the metrics of, like, a human life, maybe like a hundred years at best, something that doesn't last for long means something different than, like, geologically.

[Nick Turturro]

Right.

[Alex Williams]

Like melting polar ice caps are ephemeral at this point, or.

[Ben]

Who was that philosopher who said all is ephemera?

[Alex Williams]

How have I never heard that? I've never heard of that.

[Ben]

Maybe it's a philosopher.

[Noel]

It's Marcus Aurelius.

[Ben]

Okay, there we go.

[Noel]

All is ephemeral. Both what remembers and what is remembered.

[Ben]

There we go.

[Alex Williams]

How have I never used that quote for something?

[Noel]

Show me your tagline.

[Alex Williams]

It should be.

[Ben]

Hang out on the show more often, man. I'm full of vaguely remembered one liners from ancient philosophers.

[Noel]

So, I mean, I guess ephemeral. Ephemera by its nature is sometimes a little hard to describe, as is the show. It's not something that you can just encapsulate in a quick elevator pitch. So I put forth that we listen to a little bit of a clip that can then set up a discussion. What do you say, oh, sure.

[Ben]

Oh, let's do the Collier brothers.

[Noel]

Yes, sir.

[Alex Williams]

As a kid, Franz Litz's father would tell him scary stories before bed. Only these stories were true.

[Franz Lidz]

My father was a scientist, engineer, inventor, who never really had much use for fairy tales. He preferred real life grotesqueries to fiction. And so at that time, I would listen raptly to his urban horror stories. The most macabre tale was one of the Collier brothers, the hermit hoarders of Harlem.

[Alex Williams]

In their four story brownstone at the corner of 5th Avenue and 128th street, the brothers sealed themselves up through the Great Depression, both world wars. And as Harlem shifted from a rich white suburb to a poor black slum,

[Franz Lidz]

it was there in that brownstone that they amassed one of the world's legendary collections of urban junk. And in the end, the Collier Brothers had 180 tons of junk stored in their brownstone. And so I get this image of this horror house. Things like tattered toys, Christmas trees, chandeliers,

[Alex Williams]

rusted bicycles, broken baby carriages, Ford Model

[Franz Lidz]

T, moldering hope chests, 14 pianos, two headed babies and formaldehyde.

[Alex Williams]

And newspapers, hundreds of thousands of newspapers.

[Franz Lidz]

It was a collection so extraordinary that their accomplishment, such as it was, confirms, like a New Yorker's worst nightmare, that they're crumpled people living in crumpled rooms with their crumpled possessions. The crowded chaos of the city refracted in their homes. It's not that New Yorkers hoard more than other people, it's that they have less room to hoard in.

[Ben]

So the Collier brothers, C O L L Y E R were just as they described in that clip. Right. They're what we would call compulsive hoarders.

[Alex Williams]

Yeah, I don't know the history of the term hoarder, if we're applying a modern term anachronistically, but yes, pack rats, I suppose, maybe is like an older term. Yeah, but hoarders certainly.

[Ben]

Could you tell us a little bit more about these brothers?

[Alex Williams]

So there's really one book on them, and it's by a fantastic, exquisite writer named Franz Lidz, who grew up hearing, you hear his voice in the clip. He grew up hearing these stories from his father as bedtime stories, as scary stories that he wouldn't tell. He would tell Franz these stories, but not Franz's sister, for whatever reason. I thought that was interesting. And so when Franz grew up, he decided to learn everything that he could because no one had really written anything, you know, besides, they were sort of part of the urban legends of Harlem and of New York.

[Noel]

Well, to the point where it was almost a cautionary tale. Like even the New York Fire Department would. I believe they had a term that they used called Collier's mansion syndrome that referred to extreme instances of extreme clutter in apartments that were fire hazards. So it almost became, as the name of the book implies, called Ghosty Men. These guys almost cast kind of a specter over this particular region to the point where they were so embedded in the cultural and oral tradition, storytelling like ghost stories that became this kind of cautionary tale almost.

[Alex Williams]

Right, yeah, there's also a. There's also a racial element to that too. The two brothers, Langley and Homer moved with their parents from Manhattan to the budding community of Harlem in the 1890s. Sort of an economic boom time. And Harlem is this new rich fancy suburb for people that like want to get out of dirty New York, you know, get out to gentrification basically.

[Ben]

Yeah, well as old as time.

[Alex Williams]

Well it actually the economy crashes and there's a big bust and all of these rich families like move out and there's all these empty space in Harlem. And then there was overtly racist practices taken on by the landowners in Harlem like lying and suffering, literally things that were called like negro surcharges. And they would take these big beautiful brownstone mansions, like the Collier brothers lives in a four story brownstone mansion and divide them up into you know, six, seven, eight, nine rooms, fill them up, overcharge African Americans to live there. But so anyways, the Collier brothers were some of the few white residents at that point too, so. So legend is that neighborhood kids would chuck rocks at their windows and stuff and call them ghosty men. Both referring to like their sort of creepy hermit. Never come out of the house. Is there someone dead in there?

[Ben]

Boo Radley vibe.

[Alex Williams]

Yeah. And also, you know, perhaps a racial connotation.

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[Noel]

it's interesting, too, because there's a parallel story this reminds me of, which is the Masel's film Gray Gardens, where it's, you know, this mother and daughter that live in a very. They come from affluence. They live in this very similarly decrepit kind of mansion out in, you know, the burbs, away from New York City. And they're completely kind of delusional and sort of exist in this strange bubble together. And that's sort of what ended up happening with the Collier brothers, where they got to a point, I believe one of the. The Homer, I believe, was, like, a child prodigy and, like, ended up getting some advanced degrees and did really well for himself for a time. And then they ended up just kind of withdrawing completely from society. And that's when the extreme hoarding that we're talking about started to begin. And that's also where the legend stuff kind of comes in. Right.

[Alex Williams]

They really both were prodigies. Homer had advanced degrees from Columbia and, like, admiralty law.

[Noel]

And, like, what even is that, first of all? Is it, like, maritime stuff?

[Ben]

Similar, yes. And I believe also one of them was quite a talented pianist. Is that correct?

[Nick Turturro]

Yeah.

[Alex Williams]

Langley played at Carnegie hall and was followed by the famous pianist at the time, Paderewski. But Paderewski, quote, got better notices than he, so he gave up the piano.

[Ben]

So it can always be discouraging to work that grind of the music industry, regardless of the era in which you live. Let's talk a little bit about

[Sam J]

what

[Ben]

this timeline of degradation looks like. Because while they were infamous in their neighborhood, in their community especially, as things started to get worse and worse for them mentally and Homer got a stroke, they started becoming more and more reclusive. Right. They didn't reach national attention until 1938, when the new York Times reported a false story about them and said that they had turned down an offer of 125 grand for their house.

[Alex Williams]

Yeah, there's a lot of strange sort of tabloid. New York had 11 newspapers in those days. There was lots of things that sort of bounce around in an echo chamber, I suppose. So there's a lot of strange leads that you can follow with the Collier brothers that you never really get an answer to. I should say that Homer quits his job. Langley stops playing the piano. Their father has moved back to Manhattan. At some point, they stay in the house with their mother and really sort of start shuddering in their sort of mid-20s.

[Noel]

And then their mother passes Away.

[Alex Williams]

She passes away and is buried in some sort of bizarre kind of cult like ceremony. Just whisked out of a window one night and taken to a cemetery that's very far away on foot. And it's never in the paper or anything. There's no obituary. She's just gone one day. And they wanted to keep it private. I suppose after that they more or less had no contact with the outside world.

[Noel]

I believe Homer lost his eyesight and became essentially legally blind. Yeah.

[Alex Williams]

And he. I'm gonna illustrate it for you here. Had rheumatism and was doubled up like this with his knees below his chin.

[Ben]

So for the description, just since we're an audio show. Alex has assumed a somewhat feeble position with both legs folded up against his chest and his arms folded around holding his legs.

[Alex Williams]

Oh, I made this part.

[Ben]

That's all you.

[Alex Williams]

No, the arms is just me. That's my thing. But so the poor guy. And in his 30s, this happened, I believe, lost his eyesight. Langley became his brother's keeper. And I mean, I really do think they loved each other and were very dutiful to each other. Langley devised this scheme of feeding his brother 100 oranges a day in order to regain his eyesight. That's one of the pull quotes we have left of Langley Collier. And he saved him newspapers, hundreds of thousands of newspapers.

[Ben]

For when he could read again.

[Alex Williams]

For when he could read again.

[Ben]

Which is heartbreaking and sweet.

[Alex Williams]

These newspapers obviously are yellowing, rotting.

[Franz Lidz]

Sure.

[Alex Williams]

They're, you know, it's a four story, humongous mansion. Langley made them into arches and tunnels and made an inner framework for their mansion out of newspapers and all kinds of other detritus. I mean, there's really no. I have incredibly long lists of this stuff that I've pulled from different sources.

[Ben]

Oh, yeah, let's see. Baby carriages, rusted bikes. Cause apparently Langley was. So Homer never sought medical help for his rheumatism. Is that correct?

[Alex Williams]

Well, it's hard to be absolute about anything. I mean, you know, like I said, we have the one book and even there. There's things that we just will never know.

[Ben]

Best we have for primary source. Cause it sounds like a lot of the headlines of the time. The contemporary papers you mentioned were just reporting stuff that would sell Papers, huh?

[Alex Williams]

There was. We actually don't talk about this in the episode, but there's one reporter, Helen Worden is her name. Langley sort of took a liking to her. She was waiting outside of his apartment or outside of the brownstone. One day around midnight, he came out to make his nightly rounds. He would walk around the city and just drag a cardboard box with a string behind him and fill it up with just whatever stuff he came across. All kinds of things. She met him out there one night outside the brownstone and he just sort of started unloading information on her. She made mention of maybe visiting inside the house one day, and that's when he stopped and took off.

[Ben]

Oh, wow.

[Sam J]

Yeah.

[Ben]

And this is interesting because around this, maybe around this is after the time when Langley began not going out until midnight. Right. And then returning home with junk. So one of the things that. That people familiar with this story probably always mention, it's certainly a thing that I bet producers would mention when they're talking about fictional adaptations will be the booby traps. Were the booby traps real? That's a question people ask.

[Alex Williams]

They were very real.

[Noel]

That's the big kicker. I mean, talking about this labyrinthine infrastructure of garbage, essentially.

[Franz Lidz]

Right.

[Noel]

I mean, it was like walled up

[Alex Williams]

kind of every window, every door full.

[Noel]

And they rigged it so that things would literally, if there were intruders, or dare we say, some sort of like Tomb Raider type situation, people would get got.

[Alex Williams]

They just. They really wanted to be left alone. I mean, there certainly is some paranoia and some fear built into that collecting habit.

[Ben]

I heard that the booby traps were not a thing that they had just come up with out of the blue. I heard it was a reaction to a number of attempted burglaries on the house when people began to think that they were hoarding not only junk, but also a financial fortune. So maybe there was some logic behind it.

[Alex Williams]

They were from a well to do family. At some point, they reportedly owned a large section of waterfront in New York.

[Ben]

Oh, wow.

[Alex Williams]

Actually, their parents were like cousins and.

[Ben]

Oh, that well to do.

[Alex Williams]

Yeah. Came over on the Speedwell from England. Yeah. So I don't know if anyone ever tried to actually burgle their house, but there's certainly, you know, all their utilities got cut off one after the other. So people from the city would try to get in their house. Police officers.

[Noel]

Reasonably so.

[Alex Williams]

Absolutely. And you know, Langley would occasionally just sort of reach his head out the window and scream, go away. Or they would just say nothing to them. It sort of brings you right to this fateful day.

[Ben]

Oh, are you talking about in 1947, March 21, when police received an anonymous tip.

[Alex Williams]

That is the very. That's the very day I'm talking about. You know, Noel, you're in this episode, in the recreation of this that we do.

[Noel]

Oh, that's right. What did I do? I don't. It's been so long. You've been working on this for such a long time.

[Ben]

You've been doing recreations.

[Alex Williams]

I have.

[Ben]

I'll get in on one.

[Alex Williams]

Absolutely you will. You and Chuck. You know, maybe we'll leave it to the listeners to go seek it out. But your voice and our friend and colleague Chuck Bryant are intertwined in this.

[Noel]

That's awesome. Is this the one where the cops like yelling up at the window? I do remember this now. Okay, it's ringing a bell. No spoilers there. But yeah, definitely. That's the kind of stuff you can expect in this show. It's not only, you know, it's not like this, where it's me and Ben Gabin about history. It's a real experiential thing and it's got a lot of these kind of cool production touches that really make it special. But what happened that day?

[Alex Williams]

So this is what we said. March 21, 1947. That fateful day, the police receive an anonymous phone call. Well, Charles Smith is the guy who gives the phone call. We've never been able to follow up on Charles Smith.

[Ben]

Alex did the air quotes there, so I forgot.

[Alex Williams]

That doesn't come through. Charles Smith calls the police and reports a body at the Collier residence. Police show up. Police that have been there before know this place is booby trapped. So they proceed with caution. But they do break down the door and it is walled up with junk. They can't get through. They start axing their way through and vapor of decay erupts out onto the street.

[Ben]

A miasma, one might say.

[Alex Williams]

Very much so.

[Noel]

Sort of like Atlanta in the summer.

[Alex Williams]

It's all coming through very much so for basically a whole day they're trying to get in different ways. It's all tunneled. They know that there's booby traps, things like feces in jars and bricks and nails and things like that. Really terrible, horrible things that could very much injure a person. Someone breaks through, takes a ladder up to the second story, breaks through a window and finds Homer Collier doubled up as he always is in the corner, but he's shriveled up and dead.

[Ben]

How long had he been dead? Did it seem, for lack of a better word, fresh? Or was the corpse like.

[Alex Williams]

Well, it. I'm not sure how soon they were able to determine it, but it had been a while.

[Ben]

Oh, wow.

[Alex Williams]

It had been a while. And then the real question was, where's Langley? Has he killed his brother? Has he fled? And the search that went on. Took weeks to find Langley Collier.

[Ben]

Did they search the city or the house?

[Alex Williams]

It was an international search.

[Ben]

Oh, wow.

[Alex Williams]

Yeah. Like I said, 11 newspapers in New York at the time. So that echo chamber is going crazy.

[Ben]

Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

[Alex Williams]

Langley Colliers are getting cited everywhere. In different cities in the Carolinas and Chicago on trains.

[Ben]

Extra, extra.

[Alex Williams]

There's a moment where a guy. There's a photograph that gets published in some paper of a guy literally holding a sign that says, I am not Langley Collier. Cause he's got kind of like a little beard and a little scruffy and. And maybe looks a bit like one of the Collier brothers.

[Ben]

So this is all clearly building to a conclusion of sorts. It turns out, however, that Langley Collier has not crossed the Atlantic. He has not smuggled himself into Canada or Mexico. Where exactly is he?

[Alex Williams]

It's very tragic. He's found 10ft from where his. His brother Homer was found. And it's a number of weeks later. There was so much junk, and they'd spent all this time clearing it. Police and firefighters clearing it. Then eventually professional cleaning crews, or clearing crews, rather. Just 10ft from his brother. He was coming to bring him food and caught one of his own booby traps.

[Ben]

Oh, no.

[Alex Williams]

Died there. And Homer died of neglect. He hadn't been fed. And so you end up with this, like, what Noel was talking about earlier, this sort of bizarre, stranger than fiction tale that's embedded in folklore. And it reads a bit like a morality tale. But then I don't know what it is that the Collier brothers did that was so wrong. Like I think I say in the episode. I mean, probably they should have paid their taxes and stuff.

[Noel]

But it's also a very distinctly New York kind of story where it's like you're surrounded by people being in New York. Every inch, every scrap of space is used up is, you know, occupied. And you have no, like, there's no sense of freedom kind of when you're walking around New York like it's a beautiful place and there's a lot going on, but it does have this claustrophobic feeling to it anyway. So the idea that, especially now, knowing we know about real estate prices and all that, that two men would just, like, own this quite opulent setup and just allow it to become this absolute nightmare in that way. And it speaks to kind of the cluttered feeling of New York as a city. I think it's a very interesting parallel there. And yes, is there anything wrong with being a hoarder or collecting things or any of that stuff? No, but this speaks to something, I think a little bigger than that and that paranoia and the fact that these two were all they had had and they got into this like, you know, kind of cycle of just not wanting anybody else to be in their lives at all. And yet they're living in the most populous place in the country where there's so much culturally going on. And such an interesting time in history too. Right.

[Alex Williams]

Franz Lids calls it a New Yorker's worst nightmare.

[Ben]

Yeah. You know, for me, this also calls to mind a documentary called Cropsey. Are you familiar with this? Cropsey is a documentary about an urban legend regarding a boogeyman like figure that stalks people in the area surrounding a place called the Willowbrook Mental Institution, which had been closed down. And in the course of this documentary they find that this boogeyman like figure, this modern urban legend, is based on fact. And there is a real, there is a pearl of truth inside this clamshell of scary urban folklore. We got there. So uglier than a Joe Montana pass.

[Alex Williams]

I have seen that documentary, but I didn't remember it until you started talking about it. It's good. Yeah, it's a worthwhile documentary. I need to rewatch that

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[Ben]

Now, you've heard us talk a little bit about the Collier Brothers folks, but if you want to truly experience the story, which goes much deeper than what we've discussed here, we highly recommend that you get the to your favorite podcast app of Choice starting on the 17th of June to check out the Call youl Brothers story. However, there are other episodes of Ephemeral available now. Like as you're listening to this, please listen to the rest of our show before you listen to the next one. But what are some topics that really stuck out in your mind that you've published recently?

[Alex Williams]

Well, we've just published an episode with interviews. Sarah Wasserman, who's a professor at the University of Delaware is basically an ephemera teacher.

[Ben]

Oh, wow.

[Alex Williams]

Yeah. And so she's the person who can really answer some of the tough questions that we brought up at the top of the show. The episode before that is a study of Ottoman American diaspora music, you might say, what immigrants from the collapsing Ottoman Empire in the early part of the 20th century. The teens, 20s, 30s, fleeing, like people are from all over the world coming to America and recording heart stopping, beautiful music in New York, mostly Chicago, for big labels like Columbia, Victor, and then also some small independent labels too. So music independence in Greek and Arabic that has largely, almost entirely been forgotten. These records that were pressed in limited quantities because of some sort of racist practices at the time.

[Ben]

That's astonishing. Part of the area where I and one of our colleagues, Dylan Fagan, is from in Tennessee, has a huge population of Lebanese immigrants who have left. I think Lebanon was at least in name, ruled by the Ottoman Empire until that collapse around what, post World War 1918ish. And I think I've heard some of. I have to listen to this. I think I've heard something that might qualify in this genre that's bizarre to me.

[Alex Williams]

And I mean, there's all kind. It's not. There's all kinds of music in it. There's party songs, there are heartbreak songs, and there's fantastic singing and oud playing and things that I don't really have the vernacular to describe. But we interview in this episode and really where all of the inspiration for it came from is a gentleman named Ian Nagoski who is in Baltimore and does reissue records of this stuff, literally sometimes pulls them out of the trash. I. I've seen pictures of some of these records that he had that are so abused and does everything he can to salvage them, to save them, to learn as much as he can about the performers. Sometimes you can't find anything. Sometimes you get lucky and to spread the word about it. So it's a fantastic interview. That's part of that. And the music in it is. It's some of my favorite music now.

[Ben]

I would love to hear it. And don't have to take our word for it. You can tune in and check out this music yourself.

[Noel]

And that's the thing, what you're gonna get with this show is the conceit of the show is such a cool one, but it also allows for such a broad range of topics, which I think is really important even for a show like what we do. Our only linchpin is that these stories are in some way bizarre, strange, or ridiculous or hilarious. And so that gives us kind of carte blanche to go in all kinds of different directions. Similarly with your show. Very different, but very similar heart in terms of just like being fascinated by things and wanting to get answers to why things play out the way they do in history and just kind of. I think anyone that is into this show even remotely is going to be very much into your show as well.

[Ben]

To me, it's a. It's a. There's something about it. And please take this for the profound compliment it is that reminds me of the free associative nature of the film Waking Life, the way that it connects in this very intentional but dreamlike state. You know what I mean? This is one of the podcasts that I hear a ton of shows, but this is one of the ones that comes with a very new and unique voice. And I mean that sincerely.

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[Noel]

So.

[Ben]

So it looks like we're going to have to save our own explorations of things that came and went for another day. But shout out to Pizzeria Chips. I miss you. If you're listening, a big demo of

[Noel]

our show is extinct sentient Pizzeria chips.

[Ben]

Yeah, Extinct potato chips.

[Noel]

That's terrifying.

[Ben]

That gain sapience.

[Noel]

Yeah. I was going to talk about Betamax tapes that were only literally killed. Production was killed by Sony like in 2016, and I believe they stopped distributing the players and recorders of Betamax tapes only a couple of years before that. But that used to be kind of the like go to for high resolution news footage and archiving. And now I actually have a stack of Betamaxes on my desk right now that I'm trying to find a place that can transfer them digitally. And there are folks that still have them, whether they're news agencies or like companies that specialize in digitizing your family members. That's big business now because of this nature of ephemera. And not only is the medium antiquated, now the way of playing it back is gone or much more scarce. And that's that. You have a really great trailer for your show that's all about answering machine messages and how that used to be such a cultural thing that people would do and it was important to leave a really good message. And just the idea of these things that kind of came and went, left an impression and now it's almost this kind of like specter that like hangs over society. And it's really interesting and I'm looking forward to hearing More from Ephemeral with Alex

[Ben]

I'm going to save. I have this great list that I'm going to save and post on our Facebook page later for Ridiculous Historians because I did an okay job just mentioning pizzerias and it's really hard not to just immediately start talking about them. So I'm just going to mention some things that left and then we'll pick it up later. So check us out on our Facebook page. Ridiculous Historians. You should be able to find Ephemeral wherever you find your favorite podcasts like Ridiculous History and so on. In the meantime, Alex, thank you so much for coming on the show. Actually, another started with a peek behind the curtain. Let's end with one. Our office actually closed a few hours ago and we were able to convince you to stay over and take this strange journey with us.

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You know, I feel like I'd be remiss to not mention that Ridiculous History was the first show that I helped make at the very beginning. It was the three of us at the very, very beginning of it.

[Noel]

And Alex, I'm not sure if you know this or not. You've got so much on your plate. We thank you at the end of every episode for the wonderful theme that you composed. So now we can do our little thank yous and we can do it in person. Thanks to Alex Williams, who composed our theme and for being here today for an interview.

[Alex Williams]

I did know that you and I very much appreciate it.

[Noel]

Thank you.

[Ben]

We are big fans of thanking people on this show. I'd also like to thank super producer Ramsay Ramjamz Yount. Thank you so much for saving the show, Ramsay.

[Noel]

Thanks for having me, guys.

[Ben]

Absolutely. Our pleasure.

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Thanks to super producer Casey Pegram here in spirit, not forgotten, gallivanting around Paris right now. Viva Les Bush, living his best second life. And thanks to Christopher Haciotes. You know, also here in spirit, thanks

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[Noel]

Ben, thanks to you for always being a friend and a confidant down that road. Back again. You know the drill.

[Ben]

Yeah, yeah. Thanks to you as well, Noel. We are gone for today. This ends our episode, but not our show. You can also find us on our aforementioned Facebook page. You can find us on Twitter. You can find us at Instagram. You can also find our weird personal shenanigans, misadventures and malarkey on our personal Instagrams. I am En Boland.

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