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Ben Bolin
Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome back to the show Ridiculous Historians. As always, we want to thank our super produce producer, Mr. Max Williams.
Noel Brown
Bah, humbug.
Ben Bolin
Yes, it's funny. You're Noel Brown. I've been bolin. I had a great conversation about the word humbug because get this, I watched for some reason three versions of A Christmas Carol of the Dickens story in a row.
Noel Brown
Why would you have done this to yourself, Ben?
Ben Bolin
Because, you know, I get in situations.
Noel Brown
Are you, Are you okay?
Jonathan Strickland
Time, gentlemen.
Ben Bolin
That's right.
Noel Brown
Didn't even let us get through our Scrooge discussion, man.
Jonathan Strickland
Oh, Scrooge, Scrooge. Oh, I love that. He used to be cool. Oh, man, he and I, man, we had such good times.
Ben Bolin
That is. That is the big secret we wanted to reveal to you folks. Long time ridiculous historians. You know that we have a nemeses on this show. Well, we have several. There's Cheryl Crow.
Jonathan Strickland
Sure.
Noel Brown
Well, I thought we made up with Cheryl.
Ben Bolin
Yeah, yeah, we have a ceasefire with Cheryl Crow. We also have finally returning after quite some time here at the end of the year, we have the man, the myth, the legend, Jonathan Strickland, AKA the Quister. No. You and I have spent a lot of time over 2024 talking about this.
Noel Brown
Guy, teasing his return.
Ben Bolin
Yes.
Noel Brown
Is this like Twin Peaks? The Return?
Ben Bolin
That's fire. Walk with me, Fire.
Jonathan Strickland
Leave me alone. More.
Noel Brown
Jonathan is a bit of a red room type figure. He's sort of like a demonic force that exists between worlds.
Jonathan Strickland
All I have to say is. Wow, Bob.
Noel Brown
Wow, Carmen Bozia. Indeed, sir.
Ben Bolin
Yeah, that gum you like is going to come back in style.
Noel Brown
Never left.
Ben Bolin
Never left. Still here. And so has the Quister. Never left. Always here. Here in spirit. At the. Yeah. At the end of the year, we decided. Well, I say decided. We came to you hats in hand and asked if you would grace us or curse us with your presence.
Noel Brown
Which one's the spooky ghost in A Christmas Carol? Is that Christmas Future? Yeah, you're a bit of a Ghost of Christmas Future type figure.
Jonathan Strickland
Jacob Marley is pretty darn spooky. He's the one who tells Scrooge he'll be cast in chains for all eternity.
Noel Brown
Dead by dawn. Yeah.
Jonathan Strickland
Also. Also Ghost of Christmas Present has the two really freaky children, ignorance and want.
Noel Brown
Yeah. Oh, geez, you're going from the. The original source material. I'm thinking more Scrooged kind of interpretation.
Ben Bolin
Scrooge is a classic. I'm saving Scrooge toward the end of the year, which Three.
Jonathan Strickland
Did you watch, by the way, this is important.
Ben Bolin
There was one from 1938 which was way closer to the Dickensian source. Ma. There was one from the 70s, and I'm sure there's an actor that I should know by name there, but. And then there was one from like. I wanted to get a taste, you guys. I wanted a Flight of Christmas Carols, so I. I tried one from the mid-90s.
Noel Brown
I'll tell you what a good one is that I kind of forgot about is A Muppet Christmas Carol with Michael Caine.
Jonathan Strickland
It's the very.
Ben Bolin
So straight.
Noel Brown
Is he ever the Muppets? It really works.
Jonathan Strickland
They have two Jacob Marley's and I hate that Marley and Marley. It's just. Oh, I hate it with all that.
Noel Brown
But they have a whole musical number. It's cute.
Jonathan Strickland
Yes, I know. I watched a burlesque number set to it just the other day.
Noel Brown
Do you also hate fun and Christmas parties? Presents?
Jonathan Strickland
Have you not met me?
Noel Brown
Yeah, it's been a minute.
Jonathan Strickland
All right, so were any. Ben, were any of the musicals you watched or any other Scrooges you watched? Musicals? That's what I need to know.
Ben Bolin
The. Oddly enough, no.
Jonathan Strickland
So the 19. That's why I was asking, because I was thinking the 1970s one could possibly have been Scrooge the Musical, which is my favorite interpretation of A Christmas Carol.
Noel Brown
Now, is that based on the stage production of A Christmas Carol that's so popular around the holidays?
Jonathan Strickland
I believe it's. It's independent of any of the. I know that there have been staged versions that use some of the same songs from Scrooge the Musical. That's the one.
Noel Brown
I'm having a hard time remembering whether the Christmas Carol that I know from my youth that always would come around every year. Was it a musical or was it just a dialogue driven?
Jonathan Strickland
The one I love had Obi Wan Kenobi as Jacob Marley.
Ben Bolin
All right, do the song.
Jonathan Strickland
What the song I like is. The song is the. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. That's the nicest thing that anyone's ever done for me.
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Jonathan Strickland
That'S the that's the big one at.
Ben Bolin
The I did not know you were.
Jonathan Strickland
Going to say is the song done at the end? The song is done at the end where all the people have come to together to celebrate Scrooge's death. It's when he's seeing the future. But Scrooge Scrooge hasn't figured out that he's dead in this future. He thinks everyone really likes him. So it's this juxtaposition of joy.
Noel Brown
It's a Sixth Sense kind of situation.
Jonathan Strickland
So it's so beautiful. It's such a joyous song about someone having kicked the bucket. Not that I can draw any corollaries to things that are happening right now, but certainly I've seen it.
Noel Brown
Is this. When is Tiny Tim also deceased in this scenario?
Jonathan Strickland
Rio? Yes. In that version, yes. Tiny Tim is six feet under in.
Noel Brown
That he succumbed to the condition.
Jonathan Strickland
Yes. He died from congenital tininess.
Ben Bolin
Oh yeah. It's a tragedy. And it may seem a small tragedy, but it is. Cause we're supporting.
Jonathan Strickland
It's a. It's. It's a very short tragedy.
Ben Bolin
Yes, yes. And this is a short lived bit. You could tell folks we have some big end of the year energy. We're playing fast and loose with this.
Noel Brown
Fast and furious too.
Ben Bolin
Fast and furiously loose, which is how my doctor describes. Never mind. So we are.
Noel Brown
We're going to reckon he's.
Ben Bolin
I don't know if he's a real doctor. You know, let's just.
Jonathan Strickland
Can we just Tokyo drift into the quiz part, please?
Ben Bolin
This is the thing.
Noel Brown
Wait, we gotta fill some more time. Jonathan, come on.
Ben Bolin
This is the setup. So longtime ridiculous historians, you will know that for many years now, apropos of whatever episodes we cover our nemeses, the Quizzter will come to the show and then will subject us to a series of torturous mind experiments. Noel, you remember these?
Noel Brown
Well, something of a mind freak, that Quister.
Ben Bolin
So Jonathan, AKA the Quister, you have been, as Noel said, lurking in the shadows all these many episodes. And at some point there was something that in some episode we did that inspired you to yet again begin our old greatest of games.
Jonathan Strickland
Well, let me explain a little bit here. I was. The reason why you've not heard from me in so long is that 2024 has been sort of a year of reflection and self discovery and self actualization, if you will. I went on a sojourn to really reflect and think hard about this animosity that has grown between us and perhaps wonder if mayhaps there be a way to settle things and have us all become friends. And as I thought about this, I then perused your episodes and something catalog. Something caught my attention that filled me with such rage.
Noel Brown
Oh, wait a minute.
Jonathan Strickland
This is such intense loathing. Some might say unadulterated loathing.
Noel Brown
Could be any number of episodes.
Jonathan Strickland
Yes, but there's one in particular that got me and it's not the one we're going to quiz you about yet. No, that. That I have to save.
Noel Brown
I'm saving us a little bit. I see.
Jonathan Strickland
This, this is more about Vikings. Oh, you had a little thing about Vikings and Kitty cats.
Noel Brown
All right.
Ben Bolin
We did.
Jonathan Strickland
Yeah.
Noel Brown
That was a fun episode. Turns out the Viking kitties didn't have braided, you know, beards and little.
Jonathan Strickland
Little.
Noel Brown
Little helmets.
Jonathan Strickland
Little horned helmets. Yes. I have some Viking quizzes for you. Or a quiz. A quiz.
Noel Brown
I thought you were going to say blood.
Jonathan Strickland
I'm going to. Well, I also have a long story about Vikings that I'll tell you after the quiz, and that's just going to be a present from me.
Noel Brown
All right, all right. That's the season.
Jonathan Strickland
Once we do that, we can have our little chit chat and our little discussion and we can have our little tete a tete, and that's the most.
Ben Bolin
Important part of the game. What is going on?
Jonathan Strickland
And then after that. Well, then after that, spoiler alert for your dear listeners. I'm going to tease the reason why I have come back, but I'm going to save that for episode two. So just letting people know now that they're not going to get it in this one. It's just not happening. I'm sorry.
Noel Brown
It's a real mythology dump we're getting.
Jonathan Strickland
Yeah, no, I had some time. I woke up pretty early today, so I just kind of threw this together. Here we go. As always, for those who are unfamiliar with the quiz, it is, of course, the cringiest segment in all of podcasting. We established that years ago, and to.
Noel Brown
Be fair, it's been a hot minute since we've done it. So we're really gonna bring the cringe on these two episodes, by the way.
Ben Bolin
Yes. With a much needed refresher, too.
Jonathan Strickland
Yes. So this first one, I am giving you four scenarios. Really? In this case, it's four stories about Norse mythology, But one of them is one I made up. The other three are actual. Let's call them paraphrased variations of Norse mythology, because obviously we get the word saga from them. I'm not going to be able to go through the whole thing.
Noel Brown
So that's what this has been thus far.
Jonathan Strickland
No, this is what makes it so cringey is that the setup makes the payoff completely pointless.
Ben Bolin
Oh, this is just like, I love a shaggy dog story, obviously.
Jonathan Strickland
Well, you're going to love the second half.
Ben Bolin
All right, this is just 10 minutes in. All right, how does this game work?
Jonathan Strickland
I'll give you the four scenarios. You will have three minutes to deliberate amongst yourselves to decide which one of them is the one I made up. Three of them are real, one is fake. I keep saying this because one of you, Noel, keeps forgetting the rules. And then if you have a question and you want some clarification that maybe I'll be able to give you because I did this this morning. You will have to preface your question with the phrase, I sure am Thor.
Noel Brown
That's going to be hard to do. That's a. That's a real tongue twister.
Jonathan Strickland
Yeah, yeah, it's a big one.
Noel Brown
I saw Am Thor. Sure I can't do it. Is there an alternate.
Jonathan Strickland
No answers for no.
Ben Bolin
You got it.
Jonathan Strickland
Here we go. Here we go. Here's scenario number one. 1. Of all the gods in the Norse pantheon, only one was known to carve. Pau. Yes, Ulr was the God of snow and the patron saint of skiers. There's a ski resort in Colorado called Breckenridge that celebrates Ulur every year. The Norse folks weren't overly concerned with writing stuff down. So Ullr doesn't show up often in written accounts of Norse literature, but his name does pop up in different places on maps throughout the Scandinavian region.
Noel Brown
I sure am Thor.
Jonathan Strickland
No, you have to wait till the end of all of them, Noel.
Noel Brown
See, I forgot the.
Jonathan Strickland
It's only after I get through all four. All right.
Noel Brown
I was just going to say the carved Pow.
Jonathan Strickland
Yeah, you carve Pow.
Noel Brown
That's how people say.
Jonathan Strickland
Yeah, you got to carve Pow. It's fresh snow. Pow.
Noel Brown
Oh, you just like a euphemism.
Jonathan Strickland
Listen, I did. I did a restless ones with the guy who runs Vale Resorts. I know all about carving Pow.
Noel Brown
Now. Anyway, I'm not a Van Echelon of society to know what that means.
Jonathan Strickland
Name drop. So in some versions of Norse mythology, he was sort of the winter version of Odin. He would actually take over the ruling of Asgard in the colder months, while Odin would go off summering someplace warm, probably Florida. In other versions, Ulur is son of Sif and stepson to thoroughly. Now, the general theory is that once he held a very important place in Norse mythology, but over time, other deities became more prominent and his role was diminished. He was.
Ben Bolin
Oh, like how Steve Urkel took over family maps.
Jonathan Strickland
Very much like that. What an odd thing to say with no context whatsoever.
Noel Brown
He was a very popular character.
Jonathan Strickland
He was much beloved, but eventually faded into obscurity.
Noel Brown
Anyway, he's got his own line of weed.
Jonathan Strickland
He was so Oola, not Steve Urkel. Ula was said to be an amazing skier as well as Archer. Oh, and that ski resort in Colorado does crazy stuff to celebrate Ula. Like folks get together and they make a bonfire out of old skis and stuff like that. That's scenario one.
Noel Brown
Okay.
Jonathan Strickland
All right, we got three more to get through. Do we want any more commentary from the peanut butter?
Noel Brown
No, no. Carry on.
Jonathan Strickland
Scenario 2. Leif Ormson is a mythical king in Norse mythology who was said to have conquered many lands in what is now Sweden. Leif had the luxury of growing old, and he wished to see that his power would pass down to his three daughters. So Leif promised each daughter one third of his kingdom if they showed him reverence. Two of the three daughters did as their father asked, eager to seize their own kingdoms. The third daughter refused and told her father that to demand a display of love and respect in return for power was to be a bad king. Leif was so insulted, he banished his third daughter and divided his kingdom into two parts, giving them to his two other daughters. Then Leif discovered to his horror, that once he had given away all his power, his two previously dutiful daughters now dismissed him. He became homeless, wandering the two kingdoms that once belonged to him, until finally he finds the corpse of his youngest daughter. She had apparently died not long after being exiled. His story was told again and again as an example of a bad king, a warning to other leaders, and many centuries later, a playwright by the name of William Shakespeare would take this story and then adapt it to become an English tragedy called King Lear. Scenario number three. Njall's saga is an epic story.
Noel Brown
Can you do that again? That was some real funky. Put on that one.
Jonathan Strickland
N, J, A L L. Just listen. Listen, you. You Scandinavian folks out there. I know, I know I'm not saying it right, but luckily you can leave the voice.
Noel Brown
We all know you can leave the.
Jonathan Strickland
Voicemail to them, not to me. Njal's saga is an epic tale that follows many stories. In fact, so many stories that Njal himself doesn't even show up until the second one. He and his buddy Gunner begin the tale by going after a debt owed by characters from the first story. But those are just details, really. The entire saga is one of male fragility and ego, in that the saga features story after story of some dude taking offense for some slight, sometimes the slightest of slights, and how that inevitably escalates into a catastrophic confrontation in which lots of people ultimately perish. Also, Gunner's wife and y'all's wife hate each other, and regularly they each beguile and coax dubious people into killing members of the other person's household. Which leaves Gunnar and y'all to continuously meet up and figure out who owes money to whom for the wereguild. Njal keeps trying to lawyer his way out of stuff. But folks keep doing dumb things like accidentally wounding one another, which necessitates vengeance, which inevitably ends with someone killing someone else. Until at one point, NJL and 10 other members of his household die by being burned alive in their own house. Surprisingly, the story continues from there, with Njal's one surviving son son exacting even more revenge, while everyone else just tries to figure out how they can stop killing each other for just five minutes. It's a pretty sweet story. And finally, scenario number four. Volund is another mythical figure in Norse stories. He was an artisan and jewelry maker who, along with his two brothers, met some pretty rad ladies down by the lakeshore. One day, everybody paired up and sort of got hitched. But then, nine years later, the three women up and leave the brothers. Volund's two bros head out to find out where their wives went. But Volund decides to stay behind and make a pair of arm rings, some jewelry for his own wife. Unfortunately, since this means that Volund was on his own, a greedy king kidnapped him in order to force him to make stuff for the king's family. He also cuts Volen's hamstrings so that Volen can't run away.
Noel Brown
Oh, God, that's the most. Oh, that's the cruelest cut of all.
Jonathan Strickland
Oh, just wait, just wait. Like Hephaestus getting crippled, Volund then turns the table on this wicked king by tempting the king's two sons to visit with Volund. Only then Volund kills the two prince princes, extrudes their eyes and their teeth, turns those into jewelry, and then gives those back to the king. Oh, and then he apparently.
Ben Bolin
This is what the spin doctor song is about.
Jonathan Strickland
Yes, two princes. Yes, just go ahead now. And then he apparently. He apparently flies away somehow. How is not entirely clear, Although some versions of the tale say he forged a pair of wings for himself. Also, some versions say that the woman he married was actually a Valkyrie and that was the reason that she had to leave. She had to go back to work.
Noel Brown
Some divine intervention I do have to put forth, though. These scenarios are so elaborate that I think it's a little unfair that we can't ask questions in media rests, But I'm just going to put that out there.
Jonathan Strickland
Oh, I agree. I agree. There's nothing fair about it.
Noel Brown
Okay. Okay, go on.
Jonathan Strickland
Yeah, no, that's it.
Noel Brown
Oh, that's it.
Jonathan Strickland
I'm done.
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Ben Bolin
Okay, so four scenarios.
Jonathan Strickland
Yes. 1, 2, 3, and 4.
Ben Bolin
Yes. That's how numbers work. Missed you a little bit. So, Ula and skiing Leaf and the three daughters. And home homeless and discovering the daughters, the y'all. And Gunner, which Noel. I think Gunner is a super cool name. I might go on by that.
Noel Brown
Yeah, yeah.
Ben Bolin
And then Voland the artisan. All right, so extrudes.
Noel Brown
How does one extrude teeth? Is that just the same as pulling them?
Ben Bolin
So we have to.
Jonathan Strickland
We have.
Noel Brown
I didn't say the phrase. Sorry. Carry on.
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We have to play by the rules of the game. No, you're totally fine. No, because we have to return to our grandfather clock that we spent way too much money on in the beginning of this show. And start.
Noel Brown
We finally paid it off. I hope so.
Ben Bolin
I hope we did. This is where we can justify it to accounting. I'm going to run and start the timer. 3, 2, 1.
Noel Brown
Look at him scoot. Go. Good job, man.
Ben Bolin
All right. Thank you, man.
Noel Brown
Nobody cut those hamstrings, right?
Ben Bolin
Okay, so first off, we know a little bit about the quizzter's M.O. in our forensics. Noel, before I screwed up and pointed it out, often the longest answer would be the one he made up.
Noel Brown
They were all equally long.
Ben Bolin
The third one was the longest.
Noel Brown
Okay, you were taking count. I see. Boy, oh, boy.
Jonathan Strickland
Because the Quizzter likes his own words so much that he spends more time on the fake one than on the real ones.
Noel Brown
I get. At least he acknowledges it.
Jonathan Strickland
I like the metagaming. That's what I enjoy.
Noel Brown
It's true. No, no. Maybe this is a silly. This is a question for you, Ben. I don't think I have to say the passphrase, but did they really ski in ancient Norse times?
Ben Bolin
Mm.
Noel Brown
I mean, I know they were. They sledded. But skiing seems like a little bit more of a relatively modern twist on that.
Ben Bolin
They. They had to get across the snow somehow. So I would imagine snow shoes. Snow shoes for sure. But for speed, you're looking for a sled or something.
Noel Brown
They weren't cutting the pow.
Jonathan Strickland
Carving. Carving.
Noel Brown
They weren't ripping. Ripping the. Ripping the shreds.
Ben Bolin
I sure am shredding the wheat. I sure am Thor.
Jonathan Strickland
Yes, Ben.
Ben Bolin
Okay, okay. So for Volund the artist, I'm going somewhere with this, though. Is. Is it possible that Volund the Artisan occurs in other sagas or just in this one?
Jonathan Strickland
Completely. Completely possible, yes. The one I was specifically referencing is a poem that I think is around 20 stanzas long. But a lot of these different stories appear in variations in different accounts. But the one I was specifically pulling from. Which is why I say in some versions, the woman that he encounters, technically referenced as a Swan Maiden, may have been a Valkyrie.
Noel Brown
I think that one's real. I don't know why. No, no, no. That's too soon. It's too soon. We gotta stretch this out.
Ben Bolin
I was just a little biased because of the slant rhyme between Bolin and Voland, I thought. But that's too obvious. That makes me think.
Noel Brown
I don't think he would make that kind of.
Jonathan Strickland
Of him to do that. You're right. Oh, so true.
Noel Brown
See?
Ben Bolin
All right.
Noel Brown
If only he weren't so diabolical. But then it wouldn't be as fun.
Ben Bolin
But again, it's. This is what I love about it. It's like we're in the Princess Bride poison situation. All right, dude, here's what I'm going to go with. Noel. I'm going to go. I'm going to think number one. What do you think?
Noel Brown
You think number one is real?
Ben Bolin
Oola and skiing justice once again.
Jonathan Strickland
Once again. There's one fake one.
Ben Bolin
That's the fake one.
Noel Brown
You think the skiing is the fake one.
Jonathan Strickland
Oh, well, that's.
Noel Brown
I agree. Because I'm sorry. Sorry, guys. It's a little early here. It's actually not that early. It's 10:45. It's early. Ish.
Ben Bolin
It's always early somewhere.
Noel Brown
It's true. I did immediately question the idea of skiing in that era.
Ben Bolin
You wanna lock it in, Brian?
Noel Brown
I think we ought to lock it in.
Ben Bolin
All right, cool. Cause we just ran out of time. So. 3, 2, 1.
Noel Brown
Locked in.
Ben Bolin
Locked in.
Noel Brown
I know there's still time.
Jonathan Strickland
Yes. Tybalt Bach. There's still Bach in the background.
Noel Brown
He could be maniacally laughing because we got it right.
Jonathan Strickland
Nope. Damn. You got it. You got it so wrong. Ullr is in fact the patron saint of skiers.
Ben Bolin
No, but there's a patron saint of skiers.
Jonathan Strickland
Yes. And his name is Uller. You elevate.
Noel Brown
Is there also a patron saint of douchebags?
Jonathan Strickland
Well, I'm really kind of positioning myself for consideration.
Ben Bolin
I believe in you.
Noel Brown
I feel like no shade on any skiers out there. I think I Think it's a Venn diagram. Not all skiers are douchebags, but all douchebags are skiers. Boom.
Ben Bolin
Mazes of puzzles. All right, wait. Which is the. Which is the. Can you tell us?
Jonathan Strickland
Yes, I. I can tell you which of the scenarios is the fake one. It's the second one, Leaf Ormson, the one that supposedly inspired King Lear. Now, King Lear is based off an 8th century before common era legendary king of England who probably didn't exist, but Shakespeare did lift one story from Norse mythology or Norse storytelling to inspire one of his plays. It just wasn't King Lear, it was Hamlet.
Noel Brown
You always leave a bit of the truth within your diabolical, hateful lies.
Jonathan Strickland
Yep, that's. Well, you know, that's the game.
Ben Bolin
That is. That is the game. Wow. Now I feel. You know what? No, I feel like one of those people at a casino who maybe is getting too into gambling because we lost this one. But I want to go again. You know what I mean?
Noel Brown
Oh, definitely. Double down even, baby.
Jonathan Strickland
We will, we will go again. I mean, that's the point.
Ben Bolin
You had a story though.
Jonathan Strickland
Yes, yes. So this is something that. A tale I have told innumerable times. A tale about history in the Vikings. Because I believe most people are aware the Vikings. The Vikings have a reputation that I think is largely unearned or at least, at the very least misunderstood.
Ben Bolin
Embellished perhaps.
Jonathan Strickland
Yes. Or due to cultural and linguistic divides.
Noel Brown
Are you going to tell us they were actually a bunch of sweethearts?
Jonathan Strickland
Listen, Vikings used to do.
Noel Brown
I have no choice.
Jonathan Strickland
Vikings used to have this strategy, right? They had a whole name for it. It was recreational, agricultural, industrial development, sojourns, which is a lot to say. So they used raids for short.
Noel Brown
Stop it. Look at all this this morning. You're a monster, the Vikings. You're a demon from hell.
Jonathan Strickland
The Vikings would go on these raids where they would look for peoples that were worse off than themselves and then find ways to improve their well being. But because there were often these linguistic and cultural divides, often those efforts were misinterpreted as acts of aggression. Allow me to give you an example. There was this one Viking captain sailing with his crew aboard their longship. They're rowing away when they see a small island on the horizon. And as they grow closer, they notice that there is a village on this island which has very few distinguishing features apart from a rather large hill toward the roughly the center of the island where there is one prominent hut at the very top. And the Vikings look out at this little island and the Captain says, oh, these people here, they're really struggling. You can tell they're having a difficult time. Perhaps this time for us to have one of our raids. And all the Vikings in the ship agree. The Viking captain says, well, where shall we start? Well, first of all, look at the crops of this tiny village. They're barely producing any grain at all. What we should do is burn the crops and use the ashes to fertilize the ground so that next year's harvest can be all the greater. And the Vikings all agree this is an excellent idea.
Noel Brown
So they just set upon them and burned their crops.
Jonathan Strickland
Well, you're getting a head.
Noel Brown
How could that be misinterpreted? I can't imagine.
Jonathan Strickland
Listen, we've all made some rather rash decisions while trying to help people in need. So, yes, the Vikings land their ship, they pour it out, they begin to burn the crops. Well, on that hill next to the very prominent hut is also this enormous bell. And next to the bell sits the village chieftain who looks down and sees all these hairy men pouring out of a boat and burning all his crops. And so he immediately rings the bell three times. What this does is summons all the warriors of the village up to the top of the hill. And he says, these men are here to burn all our food, chase them away. And the warriors brandishing weapons scream and run down the hill. And the Vikings don't want any trouble, so they get back into their ship and pull away to safety. And the Viking captain says, oh, these poor, poor fools. I have attempted to improve their lot in life and yet we have been chased away. So we shall away and get our new supplies and come back and see how they're doing in the future. So they do, they leave and a year passes.
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Jonathan Strickland
In that next year, the same Viking captain rose this ship all the way up to the island. They take a look and they see that the crops in fact have grown back and they look far better than they did before. But the Viking captain says, oh, there's still so much that could be done. Look at the homes these people live in. They're barely keeping the elements out. What we should do is very vigorously disassemble these homes and then use the material to build houses in the Viking fashion where they will keep them warm and safe. And the Vikings all agree. So they land their ship and they exit and they begin to disassemble their homes with great fervor.
Noel Brown
AKA like pillage and just destroy.
Jonathan Strickland
Listen one person's pillage and destroys another person's home. Renault so the village, the technical phrase.
Ben Bolin
Is they reverse ikea.
Noel Brown
Yeah, I was thinking of that. I don't know why.
Jonathan Strickland
I mean, if you've ever read any of those instructions, by the time you get to stage seven, you're ready to tear stuff apart. So the village chieftain looks down and he says, oh, the hairy men are back. And now they're tearing apart all of our homes. So he rings the bell three times to summons all the warriors of the village. And the chieftain says, you must chase these men away for soon we will have no place to sleep. So the warriors, brandishing their weapons, scream and run down the hill. And the Vikings, not wanting any trou, withdraw to their ship and head back out to the safety of the sea. The Viking captain says, ah, these poor.
Noel Brown
We were just trying to help. They shouted.
Jonathan Strickland
Exactly. But of course no one speaks Viking on the island. So the captain says, we tried twice to help them, but we shall not give up. These people clearly need our help and we will make certain that they improve their conditions. But first we should resupply again. So another year passes while the Vikings are gone. When they return, they see that indeed the village has reconstructed their homes. But they look far more sturdy and easily defendable now. And the crops are looking even better than before. But, well, the Viking captain says, look at the children of this village. They seem so sickly, those poor children. What clearly needs to happen is some circulation of the gene pool because these are very forward thinking Vikings. And so the Vikings land their ship and they set up what is known as the first speed dating session.
Ben Bolin
Oh, wow.
Jonathan Strickland
So they're, they are speed dating at an incredible pace when the village chieftain speed raping. Speed raping. Dating, Dating. I know that the connection isn't great, but dating. So the village chieftain looks down, he says, ah. He rings the bell three times, summoning up all the warriors. But at this point, they've got the gist of it. They run down brandishing their weapons and the Vikings withdraw, get into their ship and sail off into the safety of the sea. And the Viking captain says, ah, well, thrice we have tried, thrice we have been turned away. The next morrow upon the high tide, we shall sail away forever. And all the Vikings are very sad.
Noel Brown
Sail away, sail away, sail away.
Jonathan Strickland
Right. So then the village chieftain that night is thinking about what evils have befallen his village over the past three years. And he thinks, oh, we are bedeviled by these, these invaders. They burned our crops down a few years ago. Of course, they look better than they ever have. Even in my youth, we didn't have crops as nice as they are now. And then they tore apart all our houses. Although my house now is so much nicer than it was before they showed up.
Noel Brown
And let's just assume creation requires destruction.
Jonathan Strickland
Yes, and let's assume that he had some grasp about the children. Anyway, he decided we've chased these people off, but perhaps they weren't actually trying to hurt us at all. Perhaps they were trying to help us. But now that we have turned them away three times, how can we say that we actually understand what they were trying to do? And he comes up with an idea. He gathers all the families of the village and he asks them to make their specialty, which for reasons I do not know, so don't bother asking me, on this particular island in the North Scandinavian seas was peach pies. And so all night, the families bake and bake and bake and bake and bake. The next morning as the Vikings wake up.
Ben Bolin
I am pre mad at you.
Jonathan Strickland
The next morning as the Vikings wake up, they look out at the beach and they are shocked to see they can't see a square inch of sand, not a square inch, because the entire beach is covered by these peach pies. And they look out and they say, ah, this is a sign. A sign that they welcome us back. So they land their boat, crushing some pies in the process. It could not be helped. And they get out and they begin to celebrate with the people of the village. When they hear it, the bell, it rings three times. They look and they see all the warriors up at the top of the hill. And they freeze in place. But then the warriors do something amazing. They lift the bell out of its harness, they carry it all the way down the hill, and they throw it into the ocean. And that was the very first celebration of the Nobel Peach pies.
Ben Bolin
You were fired. This was a mistake.
Noel Brown
You just threw up in my mouth a little bit.
Jonathan Strickland
You begged me to come on. Here.
Ben Bolin
See the punchline one more time. Oh, what a.
Jonathan Strickland
Yes. The first celebration of the Nobel peach pie.
Noel Brown
I was going to posit that it was the actual origin story of the very first Thanksgiving.
Ben Bolin
Yeah, I like that, too. I love. I love the pun. You're right. We did invite you on here. I think with that, Noel, we got a hot hand here. What'd you call it when we were in Vegas? We got a good table.
Noel Brown
Oh, I don't know. I didn't have that in Vegas, nor do I have that in life, as evidenced by this charade.
Jonathan Strickland
I think I have Sapped the will to live from Noel.
Noel Brown
Hey. I mean, you just. So none of that was true. None of that was true. Jonathan, I believed you. I believed that the Vikings were actually misunderstood. Benevolent, you know, generous, lovely gents.
Jonathan Strickland
Right. The whole recreational, agricultural, industrial development sojourns wasn't a dead giveaway.
Ben Bolin
Oh, come on.
Noel Brown
You were just being corn. I thought you were just being.
Ben Bolin
That's like fornication under consent of the King.
Jonathan Strickland
I can't tell you how many times I've told that story because literally, I started telling it in 1999. Oh, wow.
Noel Brown
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Ben Bolin
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Jonathan Strickland
25 years. 25 years I've been telling that story.
Ben Bolin
Well, the good news is it felt.
Noel Brown
Like 25 years hearing you tell it.
Jonathan Strickland
That was a short.
Ben Bolin
It never got better. So we could say points for consistency. Jonathan, AKA the Quizzard. Thank you so much for hanging out out with us.
Noel Brown
Really. That's very benevolent. It's very diplomatic. I appreciate what you're doing. I see what you.
Ben Bolin
It's okay. Noel, obviously, I don't mean it. It's just the thing you say. But the. Here's the.
Noel Brown
That was what they call an aside in Shakespeare.
Ben Bolin
There it is. Here's the thing. We are going to continue this dangerous great game because.
Noel Brown
Must we?
Ben Bolin
Well, you and I can't just have the guy come back and immediately take an L without trying one more time, right? That's true.
Noel Brown
And we do need to fill some time for the hol.
Jonathan Strickland
Two. Two things. One is that I do reveal in our next episode what got me so angry that I had to come back.
Noel Brown
And two, oh, it wasn't the. It wasn't the Viking Kitties episode.
Jonathan Strickland
No, that was. That was not what got me angry.
Ben Bolin
No, that was just caught astray.
Jonathan Strickland
I explained.
Noel Brown
I caught astray.
Jonathan Strickland
That's really good.
Ben Bolin
No, I. Oh, yeah.
Jonathan Strickland
I will. I will reveal what got me so angry in the next episode also. So this should entice you, Noel. The next quiz only has three scenarios.
Noel Brown
Thank the sweet Lord of Light and our attention spans. And Jonathan, I say when you reveal whatever this thing is that's made you despise us even further, I promise that I will pretend to care.
Ben Bolin
And I make no such promises. I don't save stuff for the swim back anytime I'm in a fight. Thank you so much to our dearly beloved, acknowledged to exist, Nemesis the Quister.
Noel Brown
Soon to be dearly departed.
Ben Bolin
I've run it out.
Noel Brown
My plans come to fruition.
Ben Bolin
Big thanks to Our super producer, Mr. Max Williams, Alex Williams, who composed this track. Who else know?
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I guess Jonathan Strickland, the quizzter. A.J. jacobs, the puzzler. A.J. bahamas Jacobs, that is. You know, you have sort of a benevolent counterpart now, Jonathan. I don't think we've talked about a benevolent. Wait. Yeah, well, you're the. You're the Quizzter and we've got the Puzzler, who's a really lovely fella.
Ben Bolin
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If you guys were in the same room together, a rift in time and space would open up.
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Noel Brown
Thanks to you as well. Not super hopeful about getting even, but going to give it our holiday bests.
Jonathan Strickland
Got a one out of three chance.
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Ridiculous History – Episode Summary
Podcast Information:
The episode opens with Ben Bolin welcoming listeners back to Ridiculous History, expressing gratitude towards their producer, Mr. Max Williams.
Noel Brown interjects humorously, setting a lighthearted tone for the episode.
The hosts engage in playful banter about watching multiple versions of "A Christmas Carol," hinting at their interest in Scrooge-related discussions.
The hosts introduce their recurring nemesis, Jonathan Strickland, also known as the Quister. His role as a quirky antagonist adds a dynamic element to the show.
Noel Brown humorously likens Jonathan to a "demonic force" from "Twin Peaks," emphasizing his enigmatic presence.
The core of the episode centers around a quiz segment orchestrated by Jonathan Strickland. He presents four scenarios related to Norse mythology, one of which is fabricated. The challenge for Ben and Noel is to identify the fake story.
Scenario 1: Ullr, the God of Snow
Scenario 2: Leif Ormson and King Lear
Scenario 3: Njall's Saga
Scenario 4: Volund, the Artisan
Ben and Noel deliberate over the authenticity of each scenario, questioning the plausibility of Vikings engaging in skiing and weaving through the elaborate narratives presented by Jonathan.
Noel Brown [30:10]: "It's true. I did immediately question the idea of skiing in that era."
Ben Bolin [32:19]: "Well, we just ran out of time. So, 3, 2, 1."
Jonathan reveals that Scenario 2, concerning Leif Ormson and the connection to King Lear, is the fabricated story. Contrary to their guesses, Scenario 1 about Ullr is authentic.
Jonathan Strickland [33:00]: "Yes, that’s the game. Now I feel... you got it so wrong. Ullr is in fact the patron saint of skiers."
Noel Brown [33:10]: "I was going to posit that it was the actual origin story of the very first Thanksgiving."
Following the quiz, the hosts delve into a discussion about Norse mythology, challenging the commonly held perceptions of Vikings as solely aggressive raiders. Jonathan shares a narrative illustrating Vikings' misunderstood benevolence.
He recounts a story where Vikings attempt to assist a struggling village by improving agricultural practices, only to be misinterpreted and chased away.
This segment aims to highlight alternative viewpoints of historical Viking activities, emphasizing cultural and linguistic misunderstandings.
As the episode concludes, Jonathan teases that he will reveal the true reason behind his animosity in the next episode. The hosts express a mix of skepticism and anticipation.
Jonathan Strickland [51:26]: "I will reveal what got me so angry in the next episode also."
Noel Brown [51:41]: "Thank the sweet Lord of Light and our attention spans."
Ben Bolin [29:52]: "The third one was the longest."
Noel Brown [33:15]: "I think it's a Venn diagram. Not all skiers are douchebags, but all douchebags are skiers. Boom."
Jonathan Strickland [35:15]: "That's too obvious. That makes me think. No, no, no. That's too soon. It's too soon. We gotta stretch this out."
Noel Brown [49:08]: "I was going to posit that it was the actual origin story of the very first Thanksgiving."
Whoops! All Quizster, Part One: The Gang Reunites successfully blends humor, historical trivia, and engaging storytelling. The interplay between Ben, Noel, and their nemesis Jonathan Strickland provides an entertaining exploration of Norse mythology, challenging listeners to reconsider preconceived notions of history's more notorious figures.
Listeners are left eagerly anticipating the next episode, where further revelations about Jonathan’s motives and additional quizzes promise to add more layers to this dynamic history saga.
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