Episode #157. The Doctor-to-Doctor Movement: Putting Patients First in a Profiteering System, with Dr. Kianor Shah, Founder and Chair of the Global Summits Institute

Summary

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Risk Never Sleeps Podcast — Episode #157

Title: The Doctor-to-Doctor Movement: Putting Patients First in a Profiteering System
Guest: Dr. Kianor Shah (Founder and Chair, Global Summits Institute)
Host: Ed Gaudet
Date: December 10, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode centers on the rapidly growing “doctor-to-doctor” global movement, spearheaded by Dr. Kianor Shah, aimed at reclaiming healthcare from profit-driven third parties and putting patients—and their doctors—back at the heart of care. The discussion also covers the potential of AI to serve as an equalizer in the healthcare landscape, the ambitions of the Global Summits Institute, and the importance of uniting clinicians to establish frameworks for the responsible adoption of technology.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Introduction to the Global Summits Institute and the Doctor-to-Doctor Movement

• Dr. Shah introduces the Institute — a worldwide consortium of over 1,000 leading clinicians and innovators across 163 countries. The mission is to restore clinicians' voices and authority in healthcare, combating the dominance of profiteers and third-party administrators.

  • Quote: “We have initiated what’s called the doctor-to-doctor movement.” (01:08)

• Three-pronged approach:

  • Academic
  • Administrative
  • Financial

• The core goal:

  • Return decision-making power to doctors and patients
  • Counteract the focus on profit (EBITDA) over care
  • Quote: “For thousands of years it was just a patient and a doctor... Now they’re talking about EBITDA versus patient care.” (01:23)

• Systemic exhaustion:

  • Dr. Shah voices frustrations with increasing burdens placed by corporations, governments, and non-providers.
  • Quote: “If you’re not a doctor and you didn’t go to school to be a doctor and take an oath... you should be in the backseat, not in the driver’s seat.” (02:10)

AI as a Disruptive Equalizer in Healthcare

• AI’s potential:
  • Can eliminate whole workflows created by insurers and other third parties.
  • AI could level the playing field for doctors and patients, previously at the mercy of bigger players.
  • Quote: “AI...can replace the entire insurance workforce for pennies... If AI is done professionally and responsibly, it could be a tremendous tool for the benefit of patients and doctors.” (02:49)

The Global Summits and Policy Vision

• Annual Summits:

  • Gatherings of 700+ thought leaders, including high-profile doctors, health ministers, and standards organizations.
  • Planned summit in London: June 26–28, 2026 (04:11)

• Purpose:

  • Building consensus on policy, oversight, and AI regulation
  • Demonstrating the power of competitors collaborating for shared progress
  • Quote: “This event has been organized by 20 different competitors that have come together for the greater good. And we will demonstrate what the world can achieve when we bring competitors together.” (04:55)

Personal Insights and Motivations

• Dr. Shah’s backstory:

  • Motivation came from disillusionment after dental school—professed ideals not matching the “complete mess” of the commercialized system.
  • Quote: “They sold us a bunch of stuff about taking care of patients and putting them before your decisions. And then you come out into commerce and it’s a complete mess. You say to yourself, Who’s going to fix it if I don’t?” (05:39)

• Location and passions:

  • Dr. Shah is based in Palm Desert, CA, and is an avid gardener with 40+ fruit trees—conversation highlights the restorative nature of gardening and adaptation to the desert climate. (06:10–08:11)

Connections to AI Med and Cross-Disciplinary Collaboration

• Explains partnership with AIMed and the commitment to promote responsible AI in both medical and dental fields.
• Quote: “All of healthcare is going to be integrated and this event...is bringing medical and dental doctors together.” (12:43)
• Summit’s integration aims at fostering convergence between disciplines.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “People are tired. They’re exhausted with the companies, private equity ordeals, the regulators, administrators, the governments...” – Dr. Shah (02:10)
• “AI, for example, can replace the entire insurance workforce for pennies... Now we have products and solutions that render these third parties...completely dropped off the table.” – Dr. Shah (02:49)
• “We will demonstrate what the world can achieve when we bring competitors together and then work for a common cause.” – Dr. Shah (04:55)
• "They sold us a bunch of stuff about taking care of patients... And then you come out into commerce and it's a complete mess." – Dr. Shah (05:39)

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Key Timestamps for Important Segments

• [00:46] — Dr. Shah introduces the Global Summits Institute
• [01:23] — Outlining the intentions behind the doctor-to-doctor movement
• [02:10] — Critique of third-party influence and the need to return control to doctors
• [02:49] — The transformative potential of AI in healthcare
• [04:05–04:21] — Details on the next Global Summit in London and its ambitions
• [04:55] — The power of collaboration among competing organizations
• [05:39] — Dr. Shah’s personal journey and motivation
• [12:43] — Emphasizing the convergence of medical and dental fields at the summit
• [09:23–12:12] — Lightning Round: Dr. Shah’s reflections, risk-taking, and practice philosophy

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The Lightning Round — Personal Reflections

• Advice for younger self:

  • Value experience: “Experience—crumbs all.” (09:27)
  • “Had I listened to some advice from senior colleagues... I would have saved millions of dollars over the years.” (09:42)

• Riskiest moment:

  • Overexpansion in business, but also a gripping story: Driving into a hurricane to see his mother, flipping his car three times, and surviving the experience during dental school (10:16–10:59)

• Current practice:

  • Still practices dentistry three days a week with associates (11:16)

• Biggest fear:

  • Further third-party destruction of healthcare; his mission is to prevent this. (11:21)

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Integration, Collaboration, and Invitation

• Dr. Shah emphasizes the need for convergence between medical and dental professionals as a model for broader healthcare unity.
• An open invitation is extended to listeners, especially clinicians hoping to empower their peers.
• Listeners encouraged to find more information at: globalsummits.it (08:33 & 08:57)

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Conclusion

This episode offers a rare, impassioned peek behind the curtain of the global clinician movement. Dr. Shah’s mission is both radical and restorative: to decouple patient care from profiteering, leverage AI for good, and unite health professionals across borders and disciplines. The upcoming London summit aims to shape the future of patient-centered, tech-enabled care.

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For show notes and additional resources, visit censinet.com.

Transcript

[Dr. Keanu Shaw]

Foreign.

[Ed Gaudet]

Welcome to Risk Never Sleeps, where we meet and get to know the people delivering patient care and protecting patient safety. I'm your host, Ed Gaudet.

[Co-host (possibly Marie or another host)]

Welcome back to the AI Med 2025 insight series. So great to be here. I'm here with my co host, Ed Gaudette, and we are here with none other than Dr. Keanu Shaw. Keanu, he is the founder and chair of Global Summits Institute.

[Co-host (possibly Jonathan Levine or another host)]

We can't wait to figure what that is.

[Co-host (possibly Marie or another host)]

Yeah. Kiano, welcome.

[Dr. Keanu Shaw]

Thank you for having me on.

[Co-host (possibly Jonathan Levine or another host)]

Tell us about the Global Summits Institute. Let's start there.

[Dr. Keanu Shaw]

The Global Summits Institute is a consortium of leading clinicians, educators, doctors. They're all doctors and innovators and a long list of leading figures within the supply chain. Currently, there's 1,000 constituents in over 160 countries. 163 to be exact. And we have initiated what's called the doctor to doctor movement.

[Co-host (possibly Marie or another host)]

Tell us more about that. What is that?

[Co-host (possibly Jonathan Levine or another host)]

Doctor to doctor.

[Co-host (possibly Marie or another host)]

Yeah, yeah. What a hook.

[Co-host (possibly Jonathan Levine or another host)]

You know, he paused too. He said, and then he paused, waiting for us to have.

[Co-host (possibly Marie or another host)]

Taking notes here. Taking notes.

[Co-host (possibly Jonathan Levine or another host)]

You're good.

[Co-host (possibly Marie or another host)]

I want to know about the summit.

[Co-host (possibly Jonathan Levine or another host)]

No, not the summit. The doctor to doctor.

[Dr. Keanu Shaw]

So the doctor to doctor concept falls under three different divisions. An academic and administrative and financial. It's our intent to initiate a global paradigm shift where we bring doctors back to the forefront of the discussion in healthcare. For thousands of years, it was just a patient and a doctor. Then we got infiltrated by all these third parties, profiteers. Now they're talking about EBITDA versus patient care. So at some point, when you have complete failure of the healthcare system for the people, you're going to have a group that rises up and corrects and sets the stage again for what healthcare is about. That's what we intend to do is smarter than. With a small group of doctors about a decade ago, and now it's a global behemoth.

[Co-host (possibly Jonathan Levine or another host)]

You're creating a revolution in healthcare.

[Dr. Keanu Shaw]

It's very important. We need it.

[Co-host (possibly Jonathan Levine or another host)]

I love it.

[Dr. Keanu Shaw]

People are tired. They're exhausted. They're exhausted with the companies, private equity ordeals, the regulators, administrators, the governments. It's like, hey, if you're not a doctor and you didn't go to school to be a doctor and take an oath to not cause harm for patients, you should be in the backseat of the vehicle, not in the driver's seat.

[Co-host (possibly Jonathan Levine or another host)]

I love that.

[Co-host (possibly Marie or another host)]

Well said.

[Co-host (possibly Jonathan Levine or another host)]

Finally. Right?

[Co-host (possibly Marie or another host)]

Yeah. You gotta make a stand, right? You gotta make a stand.

[Co-host (possibly Jonathan Levine or another host)]

We're going back to what used to matter. When doctors did house calls, even do no harm, all of the silos. Silos kill, right?

[Dr. Keanu Shaw]

That's right.

[Co-host (possibly Jonathan Levine or another host)]

Silos kill innovation. So doctor to doctor to patient direct.

[Dr. Keanu Shaw]

Well, we fight for the patients. Ultimately, the beneficiaries of this movement are going to be exclusively patients and doctors. But you know, what we didn't have for these thousands of years is a tool to be the equalizer that had the power that these bigger groups had, the big farmers of this world. But AI does it now. And AI, for example, can replace the entire insurance workforce for pennies. They've gotten too bold, too pompous and too big and too untouchable. But now we have products and solutions that render all of these third parties who claim to be increasing access or helping doctors with management to completely drop them off the table and start with a clean slate and put the pieces back into place of what needs to happen. And if AI is done professionally and responsibly, it could be a tremendous tool for the benefit of patients and doctors in the years to come.

[Co-host (possibly Jonathan Levine or another host)]

Now is the summit doing that or are you working with other organizations that are going to help bring that to.

[Dr. Keanu Shaw]

Market to create awareness? We started with global summits because doctors love continuing education that draws them to the discussion. Since then, we have held one annual conference around the world somewhere a year, and they've grown to the last one having over 700 high profile doctors in it. The next one happens in London on June 26 to 28.

[Co-host (possibly Jonathan Levine or another host)]

Of this year.

[Dr. Keanu Shaw]

Yeah, no, this next year.

[Co-host (possibly Jonathan Levine or another host)]

Oh, 26.

[Dr. Keanu Shaw]

You're expecting 700.

[Co-host (possibly Jonathan Levine or another host)]

We're in October, November already.

[Co-host (possibly Marie or another host)]

That would be next year.

[Co-host (possibly Jonathan Levine or another host)]

Ed, I was sh. I was time shifting.

[Dr. Keanu Shaw]

Invite you guys to come up. Interviewers.

[Co-host (possibly Jonathan Levine or another host)]

Yeah.

[Dr. Keanu Shaw]

This event is a very profile event. There are 700 leading figures coming outside of the health ministers, the royals, the celebrities, they're all doctors. And we are going to sit down and we also have a dozen of high profile organizations like the standards organization, the American Dental association, they're going to take part the A bomb. Like some of the people from here, Ahmed will be lecturing there. We want to put them at the table and come up with a framework for policy oversight, regulation of artificial intelligence, which is much needed because we're not catching up to the innovation.

[Co-host (possibly Jonathan Levine or another host)]

I love that.

[Dr. Keanu Shaw]

So I invite you guys to come out and interview. There's going to be a lot of high profile people there. We're there and we are wanting to bring consensus. This event has been organized by 20 different competitors that have come together for the greater good. And we will demonstrate what the world can achieve when we bring competitors together and then work for a common cause. And there's plenty to go around for everybody to be happy.

[Co-host (possibly Jonathan Levine or another host)]

All right, I'm in. I buy in. Now, I need your origin story.

[Dr. Keanu Shaw]

This gentleman standing over here leads the Hippocratic award ceremony at the event, and he will be sending you guys.

[Co-host (possibly Jonathan Levine or another host)]

What's his name?

[Dr. Keanu Shaw]

Dr. Arash Hakem. Dr. Arty Hakemian. Dr. Arash is running the pitch event at the.

[Co-host (possibly Jonathan Levine or another host)]

So what's your origin story? How did you get involved in all this?

[Dr. Keanu Shaw]

I am original story. I went to dental school. They sold us a bunch of stuff about taking care of patients and putting them for before your decisions. And then you come out into commerce and it's a complete mess. And you say to yourself, who's going to fix it if I don't? And then you start thinking about ways you can go up against these behemoths. Because healthcare wouldn't exist without healthcare providers, but it will still exist without every one of them tomorrow. So we have to ask ourselves, who's more important when it comes to healthcare? Doctors or them or the folks.

[Co-host (possibly Jonathan Levine or another host)]

You based?

[Dr. Keanu Shaw]

I'm based in Palm Desert, California. Cool.

[Co-host (possibly Marie or another host)]

Not too far from here.

[Co-host (possibly Jonathan Levine or another host)]

I love Palm. It's great. Do you ever get to Indio?

[Dr. Keanu Shaw]

Yeah, it's actually down the street from me. Yeah, I live in La Quinta, but. Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Jonathan Levine or another host)]

You've lived in La Quinta?

[Co-host (possibly Marie or another host)]

I went to Tedmed there.

[Co-host (possibly Jonathan Levine or another host)]

I went to a concert years ago.

[Dr. Keanu Shaw]

You have a lot of. Yeah, Coachella. Coachella. You have the tennis court.

[Co-host (possibly Marie or another host)]

Yeah.

[Dr. Keanu Shaw]

You have a lot of golf.

[Co-host (possibly Jonathan Levine or another host)]

It's beautiful.

[Co-host (possibly Marie or another host)]

I love it there.

[Dr. Keanu Shaw]

Yes.

[Co-host (possibly Jonathan Levine or another host)]

You have a grapefruit tree in your yard?

[Dr. Keanu Shaw]

Actually, I'm a big. This is funny. I love grapefruit because I have 40 fruit trees in the mine. You do? Yard. That's one of my passions.

[Co-host (possibly Jonathan Levine or another host)]

There's nothing like fruit grew in Palm Desert, though. I'm telling you. Yeah, I've had it. I've experienced it.

[Dr. Keanu Shaw]

It's amazing that the earth is really good and rich and it sucks all the water, though. I've spent the last two, three years just gardening in my free time. Really? Hey, Learning more and more.

[Co-host (possibly Jonathan Levine or another host)]

What's the hardest thing to grow?

[Dr. Keanu Shaw]

Well, you have to be very careful because it gets up to 130Fahrenheit out there. There's certain teas that do well, certain nectarines, figs, apple, probably no chance. There's maybe the golden apple will do it.

[Co-host (possibly Jonathan Levine or another host)]

Pears, you do it.

[Dr. Keanu Shaw]

A lot of citrus will do well. You have to Be very AW zone 10 and 11 type fruits that grow in these hot environments. But if it grows, mangoes tend to do well. Peaches tend to do well. So to a lesser extent, like pears. But I've tested and learned and out of. Out of 45 trees that I've purchased so far, 40 have survived. So now.

[Co-host (possibly Marie or another host)]

Hey, that's pretty good, man.

[Co-host (possibly Jonathan Levine or another host)]

What's your favorite?

[Co-host (possibly Marie or another host)]

Pretty good survival right there.

[Dr. Keanu Shaw]

My favorite is the green plum.

[Co-host (possibly Jonathan Levine or another host)]

I've never heard of the green plum.

[Dr. Keanu Shaw]

It's really cool.

[Co-host (possibly Jonathan Levine or another host)]

It doesn't turn purple.

[Dr. Keanu Shaw]

No, it stays green and it's very.

[Co-host (possibly Marie or another host)]

Even when it's right.

[Dr. Keanu Shaw]

A little sour taste.

[Co-host (possibly Jonathan Levine or another host)]

Oh, it does. Like the green apple.

[Dr. Keanu Shaw]

Yeah. Do really well in the desert. You got. I got a Pakistani mulberry that grows this tall, like your black.

[Co-host (possibly Jonathan Levine or another host)]

What do you make with that?

[Dr. Keanu Shaw]

What do I make a dish with that? It never makes it in the house.

[Co-host (possibly Jonathan Levine or another host)]

It doesn't.

[Co-host (possibly Marie or another host)]

You just eat it on the way in.

[Co-host (possibly Jonathan Levine or another host)]

That's good then that's.

[Dr. Keanu Shaw]

There's.

[Co-host (possibly Marie or another host)]

That's the test. That's the test. So, Keanu, what brings you to Aimed at?

[Dr. Keanu Shaw]

Well, we are very thankful for Dr. Anthony Chang who will also be speaking at London. He's great, great gentleman. We are looking to collaborate with Aimed because we see a huge potential for that tool that I was talking about. And also leading the dentistry subspecialty of Aimed future to come.

[Co-host (possibly Marie or another host)]

Oh, very cool.

[Dr. Keanu Shaw]

So AMED may be also holding its Europe event with us. Actually, it's in the process of being organized and for any listener that is interested, the website is global summit.amors.it the Italians are helping us down there. So global summits.it we're going to put.

[Co-host (possibly Jonathan Levine or another host)]

The link in the.

[Dr. Keanu Shaw]

Fantastic.

[Co-host (possibly Jonathan Levine or another host)]

Yeah.

[Dr. Keanu Shaw]

And we invite you guys to consider coming out, especially if you are in the business of empowering doctors.

[Co-host (possibly Jonathan Levine or another host)]

We are giving them a voice.

[Dr. Keanu Shaw]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Marie or another host)]

Well, this has been a lot of fun. Did you want to do the lightning round? Like a speed lightning round?

[Co-host (possibly Jonathan Levine or another host)]

Yeah. He's so interesting. Yeah, I'm going to have him back. I mean I have so many.

[Co-host (possibly Marie or another host)]

Do a part two.

[Co-host (possibly Jonathan Levine or another host)]

Let's do a part two.

[Co-host (possibly Marie or another host)]

Okay. We could.

[Co-host (possibly Jonathan Levine or another host)]

We'll follow up with you later. But I'm gonna. I've got a lightning round.

[Co-host (possibly Marie or another host)]

Okay. Yeah, yeah. Let's do the lightning round.

[Co-host (possibly Jonathan Levine or another host)]

Go back in time. Tell your 20 year old self something. What would you tell him?

[Dr. Keanu Shaw]

Experience. Crumbs all.

[Co-host (possibly Jonathan Levine or another host)]

Yes. Yes, it does.

[Dr. Keanu Shaw]

It does.

[Co-host (possibly Jonathan Levine or another host)]

I lived by the road to excess leads to the palace of wisdom. Songs of experience. William Blake, the poet.

[Dr. Keanu Shaw]

Had I listened to some Advice from senior colleagues. 25 years ago, I would have saved millions of dollars over the years.

[Co-host (possibly Jonathan Levine or another host)]

It's all about experience. I love that.

[Co-host (possibly Marie or another host)]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Jonathan Levine or another host)]

What's the riskiest thing you've ever done?

[Dr. Keanu Shaw]

Over expansion, Rapid expansion. Without having the base properly set up.

[Co-host (possibly Jonathan Levine or another host)]

That's a business risk. What about personal? Oh, there's a story there. I can tell.

[Dr. Keanu Shaw]

What's the.

[Co-host (possibly Marie or another host)]

Okay.

[Dr. Keanu Shaw]

What's the biggest risk that I've taken, Good or bad?

[Co-host (possibly Jonathan Levine or another host)]

Skydiving? Fighting with a shark like me in Aruba.

[Dr. Keanu Shaw]

Oh, there's been a lot of.

[Co-host (possibly Jonathan Levine or another host)]

Yeah, I could see it in your eyes.

[Dr. Keanu Shaw]

Driving into the story Hurricane Florida to see my mom.

My car flipping three, four times.

[Co-host (possibly Marie or another host)]

Are you serious? Oh my God.

[Dr. Keanu Shaw]

Still being alive.

[Ed Gaudet]

When was that?

[Dr. Keanu Shaw]

That was in dental school. My mom lived in Florida and I would go from Illinois to Florida.

[Co-host (possibly Jonathan Levine or another host)]

Where in Florida.

[Dr. Keanu Shaw]

And I was driving and there's. This is one of the memories. There's probably more in this. Everybody's coming the other way and you're like. And I'm the only one going that way. And then it hit and it hit hard. I flipped my car three times into a dish. The police wouldn't come out for four or five hours. I was sitting in myself. Submerged after a mud. Yeah, that was. Whoa.

[Co-host (possibly Jonathan Levine or another host)]

What? Yeah. That's incredible. What year was that?

[Dr. Keanu Shaw]

That must have been 2005.

[Co-host (possibly Jonathan Levine or another host)]

Five.

[Dr. Keanu Shaw]

Wow.

[Co-host (possibly Marie or another host)]

20 years ago.

[Co-host (possibly Jonathan Levine or another host)]

Yeah.

[Dr. Keanu Shaw]

Back in dental school days.

[Co-host (possibly Marie or another host)]

You made it.

[Co-host (possibly Jonathan Levine or another host)]

Yeah. Are you a good dentist?

[Dr. Keanu Shaw]

According to patients, yeah. You're probably one of the only practices in Southern California with five star reviews.

[Co-host (possibly Marie or another host)]

On all platforms and you're still practicing.

[Dr. Keanu Shaw]

Three days a week. I have some few associates.

[Co-host (possibly Jonathan Levine or another host)]

What's your biggest fear?

[Dr. Keanu Shaw]

My biggest fear?

[Co-host (possibly Jonathan Levine or another host)]

Yeah.

[Dr. Keanu Shaw]

My biggest fear in life is that third parties are gonna come in further destroy the healthcare industry. That's my sole mission left now is to remedy this problem. Minus the dentistone.

[Co-host (possibly Marie or another host)]

How can you help me with that?

[Co-host (possibly Jonathan Levine or another host)]

Because I think you could help me with that fear.

[Dr. Keanu Shaw]

Dent circle. I see a lot of apprehensive patients. It's about establishing rapport. If you're not being hurt, the front desk lady is friendly and the office is clean. You'll feel very good once you come in. And then it's got to build up on it.

[Co-host (possibly Jonathan Levine or another host)]

I don't like the part where I sit in the chair and they have to open my mouth. That's the thing that freaks me out.

[Dr. Keanu Shaw]

Okay, well, that we gotta have to remember that.

[Co-host (possibly Jonathan Levine or another host)]

I'm gonna have to call you about that.

[Dr. Keanu Shaw]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Jonathan Levine or another host)]

You have beautiful teeth.

[Dr. Keanu Shaw]

You can't trust skinny chef, right?

[Co-host (possibly Jonathan Levine or another host)]

No.

My dentist not so much.

[Dr. Keanu Shaw]

Not so much. Yeah. That's important.

[Co-host (possibly Jonathan Levine or another host)]

I think it is.

[Dr. Keanu Shaw]

I. Look at that.

[Co-host (possibly Jonathan Levine or another host)]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Marie or another host)]

For those of you that can't see, his teeth are pearly white.

[Co-host (possibly Jonathan Levine or another host)]

Yeah, they're beautiful.

[Co-host (possibly Marie or another host)]

Definite.

[Co-host (possibly Jonathan Levine or another host)]

I have. I have teeth envy right now because I have pretty decent teeth, but they're getting all chip. I need some work.

[Dr. Keanu Shaw]

I'm looking forward to seeing a chairside too. I won't use the mouth props. We'll get it open slowly.

[Co-host (possibly Jonathan Levine or another host)]

I'm going to come to the desert.

[Co-host (possibly Marie or another host)]

I do have a question about the. So the physicians that you work with as part of the summit, is it all practices? Is it mainly dental?

[Dr. Keanu Shaw]

Like it's called the Dental Medical AI Summit. Global AI Summit.

[Co-host (possibly Marie or another host)]

Super cool.

[Dr. Keanu Shaw]

We are trying to. Another thing that we've needed much over the long, long history is connection between convergence doctors.

[Co-host (possibly Marie or another host)]

Yeah.

[Dr. Keanu Shaw]

Because all of healthcare is going to be integrated and this event, literally at a hotel close to the London Bridge, will be in spirit of the mission of this event, bringing medical and dental doctors together.

[Co-host (possibly Marie or another host)]

I gotta introduce you to a friend of mine who is deep into this innovation work. Marie, do you know Maria Philipova?

[Dr. Keanu Shaw]

Yeah, I meet so many.

[Co-host (possibly Marie or another host)]

Okay, we'll make. We'll make the intro.

[Co-host (possibly Jonathan Levine or another host)]

What about her friend? What's his name?

[Co-host (possibly Marie or another host)]

Jonathan.

[Co-host (possibly Jonathan Levine or another host)]

Jonathan.

[Co-host (possibly Marie or another host)]

Jonathan Levine.

[Co-host (possibly Jonathan Levine or another host)]

He's a dentist.

[Co-host (possibly Marie or another host)]

I know. Yeah. We got some talk.

[Dr. Keanu Shaw]

Shock. Yeah. We're going to have to change information and look forward to connecting with you guys and inviting you guys. This gentleman right here is going to help us with a lot of that.

[Co-host (possibly Marie or another host)]

Well, looking forward to that. And folks, thanks for tuning in to another episode of Aimed here in San Diego.

[Co-host (possibly Jonathan Levine or another host)]

That's right.

[Co-host (possibly Marie or another host)]

Check out the show notes. You're going to find ways to get in touch with Dr. Shah and learn more.

[Dr. Keanu Shaw]

Thank you so much for having you.

[Co-host (possibly Marie or another host)]

Thanks for tuning in.

[Ed Gaudet]

Thanks for listening to Risk Never Sleep. For the show notes, resources and more information and how to transform the protection of patient safety. Visit [e-mail] that's C-E-N-S-I-N-E-T.com. i'm your host, Ed Gaudet. And until next time, stay vigilant because risk never sleeps.