Episode #171. The Case For A Blockchain-Powered Healthcare Internet, with Jose Macion, Founder and CEO of GenOp Health

Summary

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Risk Never Sleeps Podcast

Episode #171: The Case For A Blockchain-Powered Healthcare Internet
Guest: Jose Macion, Founder and CEO, GenOp Health
Host: Ed Gaudet (with Co-Host)
Date: December 19, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this lively, insight-packed episode, Ed Gaudet and his co-host sit down with Jose Macion, founder and CEO of GenOp Health, to discuss his vision for a blockchain-powered healthcare internet. The discussion weaves together Jose’s personal story, entrepreneurial journey, and technical leadership, with deep dives into interoperability, security, and the potential for AI-driven healthcare transformation. While delivered with the hosts’ trademark humor and accessibility, the conversation is grounded in real-world challenges and solutions for patient data management and healthcare innovation.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Meet Jose Macion: Background and Origin Story

• Transition to Entrepreneurship
  • Jose started GenOp Health during COVID while working as a data scientist for Keck Medical Center of USC.
  • Motivated by a "COVID career shift" (02:50) and his consulting experience with organizations like Kaiser and HealthNet (03:26).
• Personal Journey
  • Grew up in Los Angeles with a close-knit Filipino family who immigrated for better opportunities (13:38).
  • Overcame challenges of poverty and worked hard to avoid repeating those circumstances:
    • “I completed it because I didn’t want to be poor anymore. Like, I wanted to make some money.” — Jose (13:28)

2. What is GenOp Health? The Vision for a Blockchain Healthcare Internet

• Core Mission
  • “We built a blockchain healthcare internet, which is powering and powered by artificial intelligence.” — Jose (02:08)
• Why Blockchain? Why Now?
  • Blockchain chosen for its security, transparency, and ability to ease real-time, standards-based data exchange between providers, payers, and patients (06:09).
  • “With blockchain, you can produce these blocks...and it's transactional. And it's the most democratically inclined security system that we currently have.” — Jose (07:54)
• Interoperability as Foundation for AI
  • Strong emphasis on interoperability providing comprehensive, real-time, quality data required for mature, intelligent AI in healthcare.
    • “Interoperability should be the foundation of truly intelligent AI...in order to encourage AI to grow and nurture itself, you need to supply it with real-time, comprehensive, quality data.” — Jose (06:54)

3. Bootstrapping the Startup: People, Persistence, and Lumpia

• No Outside Investment
  • Jose bootstrapped GenOp, starting with his cousin-in-law as first team member, working for shares and food (09:53, 10:00).
• Building with Family and Community
  • “I started off just giving them food. Shares of the company. Food. Oh, and food. Yeah, 'cause they love Filipino food.” — Jose (10:00)
• Maintaining Motivation
  • Persistence rooted in a sense of responsibility for his family and a drive to improve lives, both for patients and healthcare workers.

4. The Tech: AI, "Apes," and the Patient Identity Problem

• GenOp’s AI Solution: Artificially Intelligent Patient Search Engine (APES)
  • A proprietary model designed to resolve fragmented patient identification.
  • “We actually created our own AI model, which is the artificially intelligent patient search engine. Apes we created.” — Jose (15:00)
• Why It Matters:
  • US healthcare lacks a national patient identifier.
  • APES cross-references social security and demographics across health systems, correlating multiple medical record numbers securely via blockchain (17:45–18:22).
• Security and Privacy First
  • “So it'll look for that on the blockchain.” — Ed (18:31)
  • “On the blockchain.” — Jose (18:34)
  • “So it's all secure?” — Ed
  • “Yes.” — Jose (18:35)

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Memorable Quotes & Lighter Moments

On Startup Life & Motivation

• “Did you build it with a quantum computer?” — Ed (02:18)
• “No, that's next.” — Jose (02:26)
• “I completed it because I didn’t want to be poor anymore. Like, I wanted to make some money.” — Jose (13:28)

On Team Building

• “I started off just giving them food. Shares of the company. Food. Oh, and food. Yeah, 'cause they love Filipino food.” — Jose (10:00)
• “You're Filipino?...You got this lumpia stuff.” — Ed (10:06, 10:22)

The APES Model

• “We actually created our own AI model, which is the artificially intelligent patient search engine. Apes we created.” — Jose (15:00)
• “You're not very good at these naming things, are you? Apes and GenOp...” — Ed (15:18)

Musical Tastes & Pop Culture Banter

• Desert Island Records:
  • “AC/DC Man!” — Jose (18:49)
  • “NWA.” (18:52)
  • “Coldplay...Snoop Dogg...Michael Jackson.” (19:21, 19:44, 20:10)

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Notable Timestamps

• [02:08] – Jose introduces GenOp Health and its blockchain-AI mission
• [06:54] – Deep dive into why interoperability matters for AI-driven healthcare
• [07:54] – Explains blockchain’s unique attributes for healthcare data management
• [09:53] – Story of bootstrapping the company, working with family and food as equity
• [15:00] – Introduction of APES, the AI patient search engine
• [17:45–18:22] – Technical breakdown of how APES resolves patient identification
• [18:31–18:35] – Reassurance on blockchain data security
• [18:49–20:10] – Fun segment: Jose’s desert island music picks
• [21:03–21:25] – Favorite movies and comedic influences

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Final Reflections & Takeaways

• Jose’s Personal & Professional Resilience:
  • From overcoming challenging beginnings (“When we first came here to Los Angeles, it was just my mom and I...we lived out of...it was tough growing up.” — Jose, 13:38), to starting GenOp with no outside investment and family by his side, Jose’s journey is one of grit, innovation, and giving back.
• Technological Vision:
  • GenOp Health stands as a case study in blending cutting-edge technology (blockchain & AI) with practical, real-world experience in the trenches of US healthcare.
• Broader Impact:
  • Solving interoperability and the patient identity crisis isn’t just a tech problem; it’s foundational to safer, smarter, and more equitable healthcare.

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Best Quote Summing Up the Episode

“Interoperability should be the foundation of truly intelligent AI...in order to encourage AI to grow and nurture itself, you need to supply it with real-time, comprehensive, quality data.”
— Jose Macion (06:54)

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Transcript

[Ed Gaudet]

Foreign.

Welcome to Risk Never Sleeps, where we meet and get to know the people delivering patient care and protecting patient safety. I'm your host, Ed Gaudet.

We're back. Aimed insights. 25. Incredible show.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

Day two, and we're half.

[Ed Gaudet]

A little more.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

A little more than half. Yeah.

[Ed Gaudet]

I'm here with my. My.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

Your co host.

[Ed Gaudet]

My Toho. I was trying to think of something witty like my buddy Jose. Coming in with a buddy. Hey, we haven't introduced you yet. Sorry, you can't speak yet until we introduce you.

[Jose Macion]

Chemistry.

[Ed Gaudet]

I love it already. Jose's gonna fit in here. But we're gonna wait till we bring him in. Right, because we.

[Jose Macion]

We've gotta.

[Ed Gaudet]

We've gotta mention our sponsors, Outcomes Rocket and Sensenet. Risk Never Sleeps podcast, available on your popular streaming platforms. Do we have any ads to read today?

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

No ads. No, no. This is ad free content.

[Ed Gaudet]

It is ad free. It's huge. Right? All you kids at home build things that are ad free. We hate ads.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

Right?

[Ed Gaudet]

Yeah. Okay. Jose Mahon.

[Jose Macion]

Yep.

[Ed Gaudet]

The man, the myth, the legend. I've heard a lot about you.

[Jose Macion]

No, you.

[Ed Gaudet]

No, seriously, you heard. Okay. Genop.

[Jose Macion]

Yeah.

[Ed Gaudet]

Did I get it right? Genop. Genop. Genop Health.

[Jose Macion]

Yep. All right.

[Ed Gaudet]

And is that your website? Genup Health.

[Jose Macion]

Yeah. Genophealth.com.com.

[Ed Gaudet]

All right.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

You got that dot com blockchain healthcare Internet.

[Jose Macion]

Yep. Powered by AI.

[Ed Gaudet]

That's hard. Did you just wink at me?

[Jose Macion]

Yeah.

[Ed Gaudet]

Oh, man, that was weird. That was a little weird. I don't think they. I don't think they wink at Joe Rogan, but I'm no Joe Rogan, so.

[Jose Macion]

This is pretty awesome.

[Ed Gaudet]

Oh, it's gonna get worse. So we're just getting started.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

We haven't eaten either, so that our.

[Ed Gaudet]

Blood sugar is starting.

[Jose Macion]

I got my box.

[Ed Gaudet]

You got your.

[Jose Macion]

My lunchbox.

[Ed Gaudet]

No eating on the platform. He's really shaking and moving around a lot. You. You're not nervous, are you?

[Jose Macion]

No, I am.

[Ed Gaudet]

No, you can. You can move around. It's fine.

[Jose Macion]

We're not video. You're making me nervous.

[Ed Gaudet]

Am I?

[Jose Macion]

No, I'm just.

[Ed Gaudet]

Okay. I make a lot of people nervous. So tell us about Genop Health.

[Jose Macion]

So genop Health, what me and my programmers did is we. We built a blockchain healthcare Internet. Wow. Which is powering and powered by artificial intelligence.

[Ed Gaudet]

Dude, that's way too smart. Like AI Blockchain quantum. Did you build it with a quantum computer?

[Jose Macion]

No.

[Ed Gaudet]

Okay, good. All right, so you're.

[Jose Macion]

That's next.

[Ed Gaudet]

That's next thing. All right, so you're the founder.

[Jose Macion]

Yes.

[Ed Gaudet]

All right. Congratulations.

[Jose Macion]

Thank you so much. First company. Yes. My first company.

[Ed Gaudet]

Congrats, dude.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

You don't know what you're doing for this.

[Jose Macion]

I was a data scientist for Keck Medical center of us.

[Ed Gaudet]

Oh, I know Keck. Yeah. Wow.

[Jose Macion]

Yeah.

[Ed Gaudet]

Damn.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

You decided to go for it.

[Jose Macion]

I did it during COVID times.

[Ed Gaudet]

Oh, yeah.

[Jose Macion]

Because I was working from home and.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

A Covid career shift.

[Jose Macion]

Yeah, Covid career shift. And they got. They caught on to me because I was working for Keck and I was.

[Ed Gaudet]

Working and you weren't being productive. And they're like, jose, what the hell's going on here? We know you got one of those keyboard movers around, right? Let's put this guy. We need a free ad. Hey, who do we get right now? Jose. He hasn't done much in weeks, but.

[Jose Macion]

The business is built, so. The business is built. Oh, my God.

[Ed Gaudet]

Oh, man.

[Jose Macion]

Oh, man, that's great.

[Ed Gaudet]

Well, congratulations. How did you come up with the idea?

[Jose Macion]

I was a consultant for quite a few years. I worked for medical groups like Kaiser Permanente. Also worked for insurance company HealthNet.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

Oh.

[Jose Macion]

Yeah. So, damn. I was a consultant.

[Ed Gaudet]

Where'd you go to school?

[Jose Macion]

I went to ucla.

[Ed Gaudet]

Okay.

[Jose Macion]

Go Bruins.

[Ed Gaudet]

Go Bruins. Yeah.

[Jose Macion]

Nice.

[Ed Gaudet]

You from la?

[Jose Macion]

Yes.

[Ed Gaudet]

Whereabouts?

[Jose Macion]

I'm up the outskirts. I'm in the LA County San Fernando Valley. I live in Burbank.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

Burbank.

[Ed Gaudet]

Okay.

[Jose Macion]

Cool.

[Ed Gaudet]

So you live now?

[Jose Macion]

Oh, no, I moved to Rancho Cucamonga.

[Ed Gaudet]

Rancho?

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

Yeah. Yeah. It's here in San Diego. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ed Gaudet]

I just like the name of it. Rancho Munga.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

It's beautiful over there. It's so beautiful.

[Ed Gaudet]

Yeah. How did you end up there?

[Jose Macion]

Because my wife, she's native to that area. Oh, okay.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

Parents there, so that's easier with the kids.

[Ed Gaudet]

That's the thing with the girl.

[Jose Macion]

Help out. Yeah.

[Ed Gaudet]

You. You don't. What's that?

[Jose Macion]

What do they help?

[Ed Gaudet]

Oh, they help.

[Jose Macion]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

How many kids?

[Ed Gaudet]

How many kids?

[Jose Macion]

I just have one, actually.

[Ed Gaudet]

Oh.

[Jose Macion]

Yeah? Because my wife had a stroke during the pregnancy, so we can't have.

[Ed Gaudet]

She okay?

[Jose Macion]

Yeah, she's fine.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

Oh, she made it. Covers okay?

[Jose Macion]

Yeah. Got like a slight scar on her brain or on her temporal lobe. Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

How old's your kid now?

[Jose Macion]

Just turned nine on November 7th.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

I got an eight year old boy. Yeah.

[Jose Macion]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

This fun age. Happy birthday.

[Jose Macion]

Thank you so much.

[Ed Gaudet]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

What's his name?

[Jose Macion]

Magnus.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

Happy birthday, Magnus.

[Jose Macion]

Yeah.

[Ed Gaudet]

That's a powerful name to you.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

Happy birthday to you Happy birthday, dear Magnus.

[Ed Gaudet]

It's Magnus.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

That's what I said.

[Ed Gaudet]

You said Magna.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

No, I said, Magnus, you were like magna, like, happy birthday, Magnus. Don't let this guy distract you.

[Jose Macion]

Don't let.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

Don't get distracted by people.

[Ed Gaudet]

And just remember, you'll only be nine once.

[Jose Macion]

That's right.

[Ed Gaudet]

Right. So make it your best nine years old experience. My nine years old experience was incredible.

[Jose Macion]

Was it?

[Ed Gaudet]

Yeah, but I'm.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

You remember.

[Ed Gaudet]

I do, yeah. Yeah. I'm not on the podcast. It's incredible story, but I can't tell it.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

All right, so.

[Ed Gaudet]

But that's fourth grade, right? Yeah, yeah, see, that's. I remember.

[Jose Macion]

Yeah.

[Ed Gaudet]

I had to do a science fair project.

[Jose Macion]

Yeah.

[Ed Gaudet]

In fourth.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

Oh, I know this story. All right.

[Ed Gaudet]

Have you done a science fair project.

[Jose Macion]

With your son yet? No, not yet. No. Oh, no, I did actually, when he was first grade, we did the volcano.

[Ed Gaudet]

Yeah, that's right, the volcano.

[Jose Macion]

Yeah.

[Ed Gaudet]

Every kid builds a volcano. Right?

[Jose Macion]

That's.

[Ed Gaudet]

Did it work?

[Jose Macion]

Yes, absolutely.

[Ed Gaudet]

Oh, cool. Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

Hey, so why this AI? Like, why this?

[Ed Gaudet]

Why blockchain?

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

Why blockchain? And why blockchain? Like, talk to us.

[Ed Gaudet]

Yeah. And how hard is that to get deployed?

[Jose Macion]

Oh, my God. It took forever. But thank God for Covid.

[Ed Gaudet]

We might want to cut that one out. Thank God for Pandemic.

[Jose Macion]

No, I'm just nobody. It forced me to focus on it because I was working from home.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

Ah, yeah, no, yeah, I get that.

[Ed Gaudet]

Yeah. I started writing poetry during COVID Oh, did you again? Yeah. Yeah.

[Jose Macion]

But why don't you read some of your sonnet?

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

Do you know any off?

[Ed Gaudet]

How do you know I have a sonnet? Like, that's a personal question. Is that a sonnet in your pocket.

[Jose Macion]

Or you just happen to see.

[Ed Gaudet]

Oh, Jose, this is a rated G movie. Come on now, sir.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

Wow.

[Ed Gaudet]

Get this guy from and.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

All right, everybody, thanks for joining us.

[Ed Gaudet]

Maybe you shouldn't do the play date with his son after all. Might not want to bring him home. Your wife might have a problem.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

No, but tell us a little bit more. Like what need does what you do meet?

[Jose Macion]

So I firmly believe that interoperability should be the foundation of truly intelligent AI. There's no its ifs, ands and buts about it. Because in order to encourage AI to grow and nurture itself, you need to supply it with real time, comprehensive, quality data. And the only way to obtain that is to focus on interoperability. So that's how we came up with the blockchain Healthcare Internet is because if you join our network, it's easy for us to extract data in real time from your hospital or from your provider's office. Or from the insurance company, because this is what we're missing. The reason why AI doesn't mature appropriately is because it's lacking that real time, comprehensive, quality data. Yeah. So blockchain is. We focused on security because I know a lot of people are concerned because when our network keeps on expanding, it's going to be difficult to track everything. It's good. With blockchain, you can produce these blocks, these packets of data captured in blocks, and it's easy for you to control it because you're marking it in that ledger and it's transactional. And it's the most democratically inclined security system that we currently have.

[Ed Gaudet]

Are you an engineer by background?

[Jose Macion]

Yeah. I dabble. But my degree is in physiology. I was supposed to be a doctor. I got accepted to med school, but I dropped out after like a month.

[Ed Gaudet]

Why? Blood.

[Jose Macion]

Yeah. Really? Really.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

It was.

[Ed Gaudet]

No.

[Jose Macion]

What was it? I couldn't. The student loans. I like, it was pretty massive. Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

So you're like, man, this doesn't make sense.

[Jose Macion]

Doesn't make sense.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

Doesn't add up.

[Jose Macion]

Yeah. I think it was either become a. Yeah. Become a doctor or do entrepreneurship.

[Ed Gaudet]

Yeah.

[Jose Macion]

I had to save money in order to launch my company.

[Ed Gaudet]

Yeah.

[Jose Macion]

So I worked as a consultant.

[Ed Gaudet]

You bootstrapped your company?

[Jose Macion]

Yeah, I bootstrapped.

[Ed Gaudet]

No investment.

[Jose Macion]

No investment. Wow.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

Same here, man.

[Jose Macion]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

Yeah.

[Ed Gaudet]

That's incredible.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

The way to go.

[Jose Macion]

Thanks.

[Ed Gaudet]

You guys are supposed to fist bump right now. There you go.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

I did feel like there was something missing.

[Ed Gaudet]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

That I did. Feels complete, doesn't it?

[Ed Gaudet]

Yeah. I knew it was. Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

I was.

[Ed Gaudet]

You created the void in the universe there.

[Jose Macion]

That.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

I love it.

[Ed Gaudet]

Yeah. You got to have the fist bump at the right time too. Hey, by the way, timing of it all.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

I don't know. I haven't told you guys this, but maybe I mentioned that Ed is actually one of my business mentors. Oh, I enjoy working with him. Not about. About Jose.

[Ed Gaudet]

Oh, this is so nice.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

And a big thing that you do is bootstrapping is surround yourself with the right people. So talk to us about.

[Ed Gaudet]

There it is.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

Your team.

[Jose Macion]

So my team, I started off with my cousin in law because I saw.

[Ed Gaudet]

Him but in the family. Jose. Nice.

[Jose Macion]

I kept on seeing him at parties. And then.

[Ed Gaudet]

Is this guy working or not? Like, was that your. Like, does he have a job?

[Jose Macion]

Does this guy have a job? And then I asked him, do you have a job?

[Ed Gaudet]

And what he say?

[Jose Macion]

He said, no, I'm a computer software engineer.

[Ed Gaudet]

And you went, damn, I could use you.

[Jose Macion]

That's right.

[Ed Gaudet]

And you pay Him? Nothing. Because he's relative, right?

[Jose Macion]

Yeah, I started off just giving them food. Shares of the company. Food. Oh, and food. Yeah, cuz they love Filipino food.

[Ed Gaudet]

Oh, you're Filipino?

[Jose Macion]

Yeah. Like, what's that? It's like, you know, the egg rolls.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

Oh, I love Filipino.

[Ed Gaudet]

Did I bring some in that box?

[Jose Macion]

My wife could cook it for you.

[Ed Gaudet]

Can she bring it here tonight? Because we'll still be here.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

We'll still be recording tonight. We're down at about 11:30.

[Ed Gaudet]

You got this lumpia stuff Ship.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

Well, I had a buddy, his name was Jeff, in high school, from the Philippines. Well, he was born here, but do you know Jeff? I would go to his house.

[Jose Macion]

No, we just know everybody.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

I love those again.

[Ed Gaudet]

Another wing.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

Those egg rolls.

[Ed Gaudet]

Can't deal with the words.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

So good.

[Jose Macion]

Oh, yeah, they're. Yeah, they're so fantastic.

[Ed Gaudet]

Oh, the Filipino.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

Yeah, the Filipino. Different. They're not Chinese egg rolls. They're so good.

[Ed Gaudet]

Are they rice paper? Yeah, rice.

[Jose Macion]

Yeah. Cold.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

My mouth is water.

[Jose Macion]

Oh, it's fried.

[Ed Gaudet]

Oh, it is fried.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

Yeah, yeah, it's right.

[Ed Gaudet]

What's in it?

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

It's meat and cabbage.

[Jose Macion]

Meat and cap. Vegetables.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

Carrot.

[Ed Gaudet]

It's not the mystery meat. Because you don't know, like pork and.

[Jose Macion]

Yeah, like stuff that you buy at the grocery store.

[Ed Gaudet]

Oh, nice. Stuff you can eat at the grocery store.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

So.

[Ed Gaudet]

By the way. By the way, this guy is blockchain. Like, he is the most.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

The embodiment.

[Ed Gaudet]

He's got the most trustworthy face.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

You do have a kind, right?

[Ed Gaudet]

You have a kind. Like it's in your eyes. It's very. Stop the winking. But other than that, like, it's very.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

Like you're.

[Ed Gaudet]

Yeah, you're very soothing too. Yeah. He's a good guy, right?

[Jose Macion]

You can tell I grew up on Lupia.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

Oh, so that's why.

[Ed Gaudet]

That's why you're an old soul too, I bet.

[Jose Macion]

Thank you. I am.

[Ed Gaudet]

Do you ever do any time travel?

[Jose Macion]

Yeah, sometimes in my dreams. Okay.

[Ed Gaudet]

You do astral projection?

[Jose Macion]

Yes, I do.

[Ed Gaudet]

You do? You know what that is?

[Jose Macion]

What? Astro.

[Ed Gaudet]

You don't know?

[Jose Macion]

What is it just deja vu thing? No, that's. That they should. That's an astral projection.

[Ed Gaudet]

Astral projection is. You can literally, when you sleep, you can actually travel outside your body.

[Jose Macion]

Yeah. Into space, right?

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

No, not any space.

[Ed Gaudet]

You don't have a rocket, my man. You can go anywhere.

[Jose Macion]

You can go rocket.

[Ed Gaudet]

Yeah.

[Jose Macion]

Use.

[Ed Gaudet]

I got to get David reference. That's subliminal. Like.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

That's right.

[Ed Gaudet]

That's right. It's risky.

[Jose Macion]

Yeah.

[Ed Gaudet]

And it never sleeps.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

Hashtag risk never sleeps.

[Ed Gaudet]

Are you a lucid dreamer? Do you know what that is?

[Jose Macion]

Yeah, like you remember it in color, right?

[Ed Gaudet]

Well, it's more. Yeah, that's part of it. But you can control your dream. You're conscious of yourself dreaming while you're dreaming.

[Jose Macion]

No, I guess I'm partially a partial. Partial?

[Ed Gaudet]

Yeah, just a color thing. That's it.

[Jose Macion]

The color and the now.

[Ed Gaudet]

So now when you see the color, that'll be a trigger to start lucid dreaming. So next time you dream, which maybe tonight or maybe not be depending on what drugs you take or food you eat before you go to bed, Right? Those egg rolls, man, they work. They work. No dream. It was like.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

Yes. So I met. Saul's trying to bring about it. Jose, tell me, like, what thing or things have you learned here?

[Ed Gaudet]

I don't want to know about the AI med stuff.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

Come on, let's got to mix it in.

[Ed Gaudet]

He's a good. He's an interesting guy. I can tell. So tell me the hardest thing you've done in your life.

[Jose Macion]

The hardest?

[Ed Gaudet]

Yeah. Tell me about a challenge you had.

[Jose Macion]

Oh, man.

[Ed Gaudet]

Come on, make it human.

[Jose Macion]

Really?

[Ed Gaudet]

Yeah.

[Jose Macion]

Oh, man. Challenges. Yeah. Going to school. Waking up and going to school was like a challenge.

[Ed Gaudet]

Why?

[Jose Macion]

Because I'm lazy.

[Ed Gaudet]

Because I'm lazy.

[Jose Macion]

And I completed it because I didn't want to be poor anymore. Like I wanted to make some money. You grew poor? Yeah.

[Ed Gaudet]

Yeah. Okay, so you.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

Same.

[Ed Gaudet]

That's a driver, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jose Macion]

We had. When we first came here to Los Angeles, it was just my mom and I. And then I got three brothers and one sister and we lived out of.

[Ed Gaudet]

What do you mean you got them and you bought them?

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

Like is it Amazon?

[Ed Gaudet]

What the hell?

[Jose Macion]

When we.

[Ed Gaudet]

I got three brothers and that only works that way. Jose, is that what your parents tell you?

[Jose Macion]

Adopted? Are they not just.

[Ed Gaudet]

Oh, oh, did you know them beforehand? They just show up one day. Hey, these are your brothers and sisters?

[Jose Macion]

These are dumb right here. You're so lazy.

[Ed Gaudet]

You didn't.

[Jose Macion]

I know. I didn't realize it. When I follow up, I didn't want to follow up with it.

[Ed Gaudet]

Who are these people sleeping in the house with us?

[Jose Macion]

I guess they're my brothers and sisters. Oh, man. No, but it was, yeah. Tough growing up.

[Ed Gaudet]

So you're self made? Yeah, yeah.

[Jose Macion]

Tried my best.

[Ed Gaudet]

Yeah.

[Jose Macion]

Your parents still around? Yeah.

[Ed Gaudet]

Oh, good.

[Jose Macion]

Oh, no. My dad passed away in 2018. But my mom's still around.

[Ed Gaudet]

Mine's still around. Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

Well, listen, I know Ed doesn't care about AI, but, like, if you.

[Ed Gaudet]

If I love the humans. I actually do.

[Jose Macion]

I love the.

[Ed Gaudet]

He's an interesting guy, though. So you got to keep pulling. No, we will, we will, we will.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

All right, so, Jose, give me one AI thing that you've learned here that our listeners.

[Ed Gaudet]

Blockchain code. What is he going to learn here?

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

Come on, talk to me.

[Jose Macion]

No, it's just the steps to take. Look at. He's like turning red.

[Ed Gaudet]

I'm not feeling well. I haven't eaten my shit. Well, I'm kidding.

[Jose Macion]

Talk to us about AI that leap from generative AI to agentic AI. Yeah, that's the process that we're currently in because I. We actually created our own AI model, which is the artificially intelligent patient search engine. Apes we created.

[Ed Gaudet]

You're not really good at these naming things, are you? Apes and Gen Ops or no genop. Is that Gen Up?

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

You know, say, listen, talk to me about marketing after this, all right?

[Ed Gaudet]

Yeah, yeah, we could use. You could. Yeah. And he's local to it. He won't charge you a lot. Yeah, they just charge you those egg rolls.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

That's it. Yeah. Pay me an egg rolls.

[Ed Gaudet]

We're good.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

Yeah.

[Ed Gaudet]

I used to work.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

Taught us about apes.

[Jose Macion]

Yeah. So apes, as you guys are well aware, we look at turning red again. Oh, that's crazy.

[Ed Gaudet]

Okay, go ahead.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

What does it stand for again?

[Jose Macion]

Artificially Intelligent Patient Search Engine.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

Okay, got it.

[Ed Gaudet]

Can I ask a strange question? Why? When you ask him what his spells like, he goes artificially Intelligent search engine?

[Jose Macion]

Because I want to sound like a robot.

[Ed Gaudet]

Oh, is that what that is? You actually sound pretty good when you do that. Yeah, you should do that the whole time almost.

[Jose Macion]

Star Trek.

[Ed Gaudet]

Should we. Oh, are you.

[Jose Macion]

Yeah. Big.

[Ed Gaudet]

Should we re. Record this whole thing?

[Jose Macion]

It's bad. It's real bad.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

We do have.

[Ed Gaudet]

What are you doing?

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

So let me see. Is that enough playing around? Nah, I was trying to. I was trying to.

[Jose Macion]

Okay.

[Ed Gaudet]

Oh, you're gonna go and do the music? We're gonna.

[Jose Macion]

There's a.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

No, there's actually a real bad here.

[Jose Macion]

If you wanted to do it.

[Ed Gaudet]

I love that. I love that too.

[Jose Macion]

So awesome.

[Ed Gaudet]

Oh, wait, I didn't. That didn't work for me. I just made it up with my voice.

[Jose Macion]

Awesome.

[Ed Gaudet]

Wait, what happened?

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

Anyway.

[Jose Macion]

Hi.

[Ed Gaudet]

Song. Take me to your leader.

[Jose Macion]

That's what it sounded like.

[Ed Gaudet]

Yeah, exactly.

[Jose Macion]

Yeah.

[Ed Gaudet]

Thank you.

[Jose Macion]

Thank you. Love Star Trek.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

Yeah.

[Ed Gaudet]

Can I wink at you?

[Jose Macion]

Yeah. Thank. Oh.

[Ed Gaudet]

Oh, that was Double wing bang.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

All right, so let's finish this. Don't let Ed distract you. This is.

[Ed Gaudet]

You can go back in time. What would you tell your 20 year old self?

[Jose Macion]

Invest in Tesla or Apple.

[Ed Gaudet]

Okay. Wow.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

All right, well, I want to finish learning about apes. Damn it.

[Ed Gaudet]

Okay.

[Jose Macion]

Go for the ape thing.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jose Macion]

As you guys are well aware, we don't have a National Patient Identifier.

[Ed Gaudet]

Right, yeah, we know that.

[Jose Macion]

The bill still stuck and will never happen. Will never happen. No, we created this artificially intelligent model because they're good at recognizing patterns. Text, letters, etc.

[Ed Gaudet]

Images.

[Jose Macion]

Yeah, images. So what happens is. I lost my premium thought. No, just kidding.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

All right, I think we can forget about apes.

[Jose Macion]

Okay, let's forget about apes. Oh, here, I got it. I got it.

[Ed Gaudet]

Okay, he's back.

[Jose Macion]

All right, I'm back. So, as long as you have, say, for example, the Social Security number for reference and some demographic information, it's easy for that AI model to correlate all these different medical record numbers from all these different facilities. Because your medical record number from UCLA Medical center, for example, would be different from Keck Medical center of usc. So what it does. It. It compiles all these medical record numbers and uses the Social Security number and some of the demographic information to correlate the profile. Make sure that profile is exactly for that patient.

[Ed Gaudet]

So ape steals identities.

[Jose Macion]

No, it doesn't.

[Ed Gaudet]

That's what I just said.

[Jose Macion]

It just looks in every single medic. Oh, yeah. All right. That's connected within. That's within our network.

[Ed Gaudet]

Yeah. So it'll look for that on the blockchain.

[Jose Macion]

On the blockchain.

[Ed Gaudet]

So it's all secure?

[Jose Macion]

Yes.

[Ed Gaudet]

Okay, good. You forgot that.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

I'm satisfied now.

[Ed Gaudet]

Okay, good. Are we done now? Can we play?

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

Yeah.

[Ed Gaudet]

All right. You're on a desert island. You could bring five records with you. What would they be?

[Jose Macion]

Five records?

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

Yeah.

[Ed Gaudet]

You better be a rock fan, because if you give me some other answer.

[Jose Macion]

No. AC dc Man.

[Ed Gaudet]

Okay, good. Oh, that was quick. That was good.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

Swan.

[Ed Gaudet]

That was good. Nwa yeah, there we go.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

Classic.

[Ed Gaudet]

You from Compton? No. Oh, okay.

[Jose Macion]

Yeah. Downtown LA. Far. From Compton.

[Ed Gaudet]

Well, you said N.W.A.

[Jose Macion]

Yeah, but we had 18th Street. Oh, in. In my.

[Ed Gaudet]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Nice. Good Mexican food over there.

[Jose Macion]

Yeah, that's right.

[Ed Gaudet]

Yeah. Really good. Yeah.

[Jose Macion]

What else? So, AC dc, NWA Coldplay.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

What?

[Jose Macion]

Yeah, I love Coldplay. Dude, you don't like Coldplay.

[Ed Gaudet]

AC dc, NWA Coldplay. One of these things is not like the other. Okay, I'll give you Coldplay.

[Jose Macion]

All right, fine. Oh, two more. Right?

[Ed Gaudet]

Yeah. You're on a roll.

[Jose Macion]

I gotta do it. Get the Snoop Doggy Dog one.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

Okay.

[Ed Gaudet]

I don't think he goes by Doggy Dog. I think it's just Snoop Dogg.

[Jose Macion]

Yeah, it's Snoop now. Yeah.

[Ed Gaudet]

D, o, double G. Mr. Dog to you. Yeah, that's right.

[Jose Macion]

Like the. With his Collab with the doctor Dre.

[Ed Gaudet]

Yeah, he's cool, right? Dr. Dre.

[Jose Macion]

Yeah, he's cool.

[Ed Gaudet]

He's not the other guy that's in prison. We don't want to bring him up, but no.

[Jose Macion]

Oh, no. That's a sh. That should. He.

[Ed Gaudet]

Did he. Did he.

[Jose Macion]

Oh, yeah.

[Ed Gaudet]

P. Yeah, he's in prison.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

What a story, man.

[Ed Gaudet]

Yeah, you can't make it up, as they say.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

Can't make one more.

[Ed Gaudet]

You got one more.

[Jose Macion]

Oh, my God.

[Ed Gaudet]

Biggie. Biggie Small.

[Jose Macion]

No, Michael Jackson, man.

[Ed Gaudet]

Michael Jackson. Yeah.

[Jose Macion]

Thriller.

[Ed Gaudet]

Thriller.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

Oh, what song.

[Ed Gaudet]

What song do you like on that link?

[Jose Macion]

Beat it.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

Beat it.

[Ed Gaudet]

Come on, sing with me. Beat it. Beat it.

[Jose Macion]

Beat it.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

He's got a voice. He does have a karaoke.

[Ed Gaudet]

Yeah. Do you have.

[Jose Macion]

Yeah. Filipinos.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

All you guys like karaoke, right?

[Jose Macion]

True. Yeah.

[Ed Gaudet]

Do you know the guy that took over for the Journey singer as a. Oh, yeah, he's. He's amazing, right?

[Jose Macion]

He's amazing.

[Ed Gaudet]

Yeah.

[Jose Macion]

He retired now, too.

[Ed Gaudet]

I think they're on their last tour this year.

[Jose Macion]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Ed Gaudet]

Cool.

[Jose Macion]

Yeah, he's awesome.

[Ed Gaudet]

Yeah. All right. Any other questions for this gentleman?

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

And this has been riskiest thing you've ever done.

[Ed Gaudet]

Do we ask him that?

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

No, we didn't. No.

[Jose Macion]

Yeah. Going to school, but.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

Oh, yeah.

[Ed Gaudet]

Oh, yeah, that's true.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

That's true.

[Ed Gaudet]

I'm lazy because.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

Yeah. You asked the advice to your 20 year old self.

[Ed Gaudet]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

Movies.

[Ed Gaudet]

How about movies? What do you like for movies?

[Jose Macion]

Movies.

[Ed Gaudet]

Top movie.

[Jose Macion]

Something about Mary that's like.

[Ed Gaudet]

Dude, that's a great movie. Yeah. Oh, yeah. You got a little comedic streak theater, don't you?

[Jose Macion]

I love that movie.

[Ed Gaudet]

Yeah. What else? Like Seth Grogan movies?

[Jose Macion]

Yeah, yeah. Seth Rogan movies.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

Yeah.

[Jose Macion]

Good.

[Ed Gaudet]

Yeah. But this is the end.

[Jose Macion]

Yes. This is the end was awesome.

[Ed Gaudet]

That movie's crazy, isn't it?

[Jose Macion]

Yeah.

[Ed Gaudet]

I feel like this is the End podcast right now.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

We've reached the end.

[Ed Gaudet]

I think we have.

[Jose Macion]

Oh, my goodness.

[Ed Gaudet]

Jose, a pleasure.

[Jose Macion]

My pleasure.

[Ed Gaudet]

No, man, you're one of the good ones.

[Jose Macion]

Oh, really?

[Ed Gaudet]

Yeah, I think so.

[Jose Macion]

This is awesome.

[Ed Gaudet]

I think so. Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

I was really have enjoyed having you on.

[Ed Gaudet]

Have we? Haven't we? Yeah. I like the sound of my voice when it gets really deep. Do you too on headphones?

[Jose Macion]

Yeah.

[Ed Gaudet]

Let's do that robot sound, baby. Well, okay. Rated G movie there.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

Oh, oh, sorry.

[Ed Gaudet]

Guys, knock it off.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

Jose Macian, CEO of Jenna.

[Ed Gaudet]

Wait, did he just say Massion? Yeah, it's.

[Jose Macion]

That's not. It's macion. It's macion.

[Ed Gaudet]

I thought you said it's Michonne.

[Jose Macion]

No, it's Jose Macion.

[Ed Gaudet]

Oh, I've been mispronouncing it the whole time, and you said it was.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

He's used to that.

[Jose Macion]

I'm used to that.

[Ed Gaudet]

No, I would have said Massion. Are you French?

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

No, it's Filipino.

[Jose Macion]

Filipino.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

Is that because it's Spanish? You know the Spaniards went over there.

[Ed Gaudet]

Yeah, they did.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Ed Gaudet]

They always conquer trouble.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

I know what.

[Jose Macion]

He's the same. I love Spain.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

He's the CEO of Genop Blossom Healthcare Internet.

[Ed Gaudet]

You ever been to the church?

[Jose Macion]

Yeah.

[Ed Gaudet]

Sagra Familia.

[Jose Macion]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

It is.

[Ed Gaudet]

I spent, like, nine hours in that church.

[Jose Macion]

I love that.

[Ed Gaudet]

It's incredible. Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

What'd you do there for nine hours?

[Ed Gaudet]

I read every plaque and everything about it. Gaudy was an amazing architect. Amazing guy. Yeah. And how he brought nature into that architecture. Beautiful. It's incredible.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

Dude, were you there with the Japanese architect that did the other side?

[Ed Gaudet]

I was.

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

That restored it.

[Jose Macion]

Yeah, that's.

[Ed Gaudet]

Yes. I wasn't there when they were doing.

[Jose Macion]

It's still.

[Ed Gaudet]

It's not finished yet, actually.

[Jose Macion]

It's still ongoing.

[Ed Gaudet]

Still ongoing?

[Jose Macion]

Yeah. My. My family just went over there. My mom and my brothers.

[Ed Gaudet]

Yeah, just the ones don't remember.

[Jose Macion]

No.

[Ed Gaudet]

Two weeks ago, the brother.

[Jose Macion]

They said that it's still ongoing. They do.

[Ed Gaudet]

It's still ongoing.

[Jose Macion]

It's still ongoing.

[Ed Gaudet]

Did they go to the park? Did they go to the park? Gaudi park, the little park there?

[Jose Macion]

Yeah. My adopted brother, he went to the Gaudi Park.

[Ed Gaudet]

Is that true for this. Oh, it was a joke. I was like, I can't read him anymore. Well, I lost it.

[Jose Macion]

All right.

[Ed Gaudet]

I think we're trying to get out of this, right?

[Co-host (possibly Saul or another team member)]

Ladies and gentlemen, thanks for joining us. The amazing Jose Macian, CEO of genop Blockchain Healthcare Internet.

[Jose Macion]

Thank you so much.

[Ed Gaudet]

I don't know what I just did. What did I do?

[Jose Macion]

Oh, man, that's awesome. That is so awesome.

[Ed Gaudet]

Thanks for listening to Risk Never Sleeps for the show. Notes, resources, and more information and how to transform the protection of patient safety. Visit [e-mail] that's C-E N S I N E T dot com. I'm your host, Ed Gaudette, and until next time, stay vigilant because Risk never sleeps.