Episode #181. Why AI In Healthcare Is Moving Faster Than The Internet Ever Did, with Hamed Abbaszadegan, “The AI MD”

Summary

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Risk Never Sleeps Podcast – Episode #181

Title: Why AI In Healthcare Is Moving Faster Than The Internet Ever Did
Host: Ed Gaudet
Guest: Dr. Hamed Abbaszadegan (“The AI MD”)
Date: January 5, 2026

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Episode Overview

This lively episode, recorded at the close of the AIMed Insight Series, explores why the adoption and evolution of AI in healthcare is far outpacing the transformation brought by the internet. Host Ed Gaudet and co-host Saul Marquez are joined by Dr. Hamed Abbaszadegan (“The AI MD”), a physician, clinical informaticist, and board member of the Arizona AI Syndicate. Their discussion covers optimism around AI’s impact on health, personal data and longevity, cultural shifts, the imperative for standards, and whimsical speculation about the soul and what it means to be human in the age of artificial intelligence.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Dr. Abbaszadegan’s Background and Mission (02:15 – 03:25)

• Internal medicine–trained, career in clinical informatics, and deep involvement in training and developing physicians in informatics.
• Early adopter: helped found the fifth clinical informatics fellowship (University of Arizona College of Medicine).
• Board member of Arizona AI Syndicate.
• Calls himself “The AI MD,” representing the fusion of clinical practice and advanced tech.

2. AI in Healthcare: A Surge of Optimism

Themes from the Last Three Days (04:13 – 05:22)

• Optimism dominates the conference: “We’re not running and hiding...there’s AI application on mental health, longevity, so many directions.” (Hamed, 04:17)
• The panel agrees that AI will radically optimize every aspect of healthcare and enable individuals to potentially live well into their hundreds if they choose.
• Highlights that this generation is constructing the foundation for future progress: “We are the generation...that’s going to develop this for future generations.” (C, 05:06)

3. Why AI is Moving Faster Than the Internet

Speed and Trust (05:33 – 07:05)

• The rate of change is “blistering”—contrasted with the 20-year societal adjustment to the internet.
• “If it took the Internet 20 years or so for us to adjust as a society...This is going to happen a lot faster.” (A, 06:08)
• Societal trust is accelerating, particularly among younger generations for whom privacy is less important than convenience and experience. (“They don’t care really about privacy. They care about experience, convenience.” —A, 07:05)

4. The Personalized Future of Health

Data, Simulation, and Longevity (08:10 – 09:58)

• Wearables are turning everyone into their “own data scientist”—envisioning a future where biosimulation customizes prevention and care to the individual.
• “What if I could biosimulate every possible scenario that leads to...every possible known disease...and then create a plan customized to you that prevents it all?” (C, 08:26)
• AI will shift clinicians’ roles to “persuasive coach” as information parity is established between doctor and patient.

5. Speculation: Measuring, Harnessing, and Transplanting the Soul (10:07 – 13:39)

• Playful yet thought-provoking discussion about whether we’ll soon be able to “measure the soul.”
• “If things are going at the speed of light, why not get more info about the light?” (C, 10:18)
• Banter about the future including “soul science,” harnessing energy, and interplanetary travel—suggesting AI might help transcend human physical limits.

6. Pop Culture Detour: Fragrances, Transformers & Movies (01:10 – 16:53)

• Hamed is passionate about fragrances, linking personal presentation to confidence and presence. “Fragrance is very important. It’s a part of your dress. To me, it’s about being a distinguished gentleman.” (C, 20:25)
• Lighthearted geek-out on Transformers (“Does a transformer have a soul?” —B, 13:32), favorite movies, and the horror genre.

7. The Importance of Standards in AI (17:44 – 22:22)

• USB-C as a metaphor: The hosts and Hamed discuss the power and necessity of technological standards.
• “For AI, we have to have guardrails and protections... and we have to ensure that there’s some degree...that there’s some human input.” (C, 18:12)
• Standards enable safety, consumer trust, and effective governance across the ecosystem.

8. Risk and Adrenaline: Lessons from Cliff Jumping (22:22 – 26:14)

• Hamed shares his thrill-seeking side, describing cliff jumping as both a literal and metaphorical leap: “The moment before you decide to jump is one of the most intense mind Fs...but the feeling of exhilaration and the rush is unlike anything else.” (C, 23:05)
• Parallel to adopting innovation: “In everything in life—starting a company, getting married, having a child...”
• The difference between virtual and physical experience: “AI will not be able to give you that...experience because it won’t feel real.” (C, 25:27)

9. Final Reflections & Call to Action (27:18 – 28:15)

• Hamed’s parting words sum up the momentous opportunity facing healthcare and humanity:

  “We’re at a moment in history unlike anything…and everyone says that, but this shit is as real as it gets. You’re not going to be able to stop this. Think positive…Embrace this moment. There will never be anything like it...develop it, to improve mankind, get us to other planets, maybe transplant souls, create new fragrances, experience things you didn’t have the guts to do. Jump off a cliff and ball it out, baby.” (C, 27:18 – 28:15)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Being Early in Clinical Informatics:
  “Pretty much my whole career has been involved in clinical informatics...I have trademarked the name the AI MD…So when it comes to tech and healthcare, I am your man.” — Hamed Abbaszadegan, 02:15 – 03:25

• On Societal Shifts Around AI:
  “Trust with AI is also very quick because people are getting personal experiences…the couple generations below, they don’t care really about privacy. They care about experience, convenience.” — Hamed, 06:41 – 07:05

• On the Vision for Personalized, Preventive Healthcare:
  “What if I could bio simulate every single possible scenario that leads to every single possible known disease…and then create a plan customized to you that prevents it all? That’s why I say we can live to be 120, probably with ease, assuming you want it.” — Hamed, 08:26 – 09:00

• On AI’s Speed Compared to the Internet:
  “If it took the Internet 20 years or so for us to adjust as a society...This is going to happen a lot faster.” — Ed Gaudet, 06:08

• On Living Boldly:
  “The moment before you decide to jump is one of the most intense mind Fs...but the feeling of exhilaration and the rush is unlike anything else, and in a snap of a finger, you hit the water.” — Hamed, 23:05

• Parting Wisdom on AI’s Trajectory:
  “You’re not going to be able to stop this. Think positive…Embrace this moment. There will never be anything like it.” — Hamed, 27:18 – 28:15

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [02:15] – Dr. Abbaszadegan’s background and emergence as “The AI MD”
• [04:13] – Conference takeaways: optimism and AI’s positive momentum
• [06:08] – AI change vs. the internet revolution: Speed and trust
• [08:26] – The power of personalized, predictive care through AI and data
• [10:07] – Deep speculation: the science (and fiction) of measuring the soul
• [17:44 & 18:12] – Standards in AI: Why guardrails and governance matter
• [22:24] – Cliff jumping and the parallels to innovation
• [27:18] – Call to action: embrace risk, seize the AI opportunity

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Summary Tone

High-energy, humorous, and insightful, with a conversational style. The hosts and guest shift easily from technical depth to playful speculation, always returning to the serious mission of advancing and using AI in healthcare to improve lives.

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Further Resources

• Find Dr. Abbaszadegan:

  • Instagram: @theaimd
  • Website: theaimd.ai
  • LinkedIn: Hamed Abbaszadegan

• For More on Patient Safety and Healthcare Innovation:

  • www.censinet.com

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“Jump off a cliff and ball it out, baby.” – Dr. Hamed Abbaszadegan (27:45)

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Transcript

[A]

Foreign. Welcome to Risk Never Sleeps. Where we meet and get to know the people delivering patient care and protecting patient safety. I'm your host, Ed Gaudet. Yeah, baby. Here we go. Day three, brother.

[B]

It is day three and we're here at the end. AI Med Insight series podcast. Saul Marquez, here with my co host, Ed Gaudette.

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Hey now. Brought to you by Senseinet and Outcomes Rocket.

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And it has just been a whirlwind of amazing people, great ideas, crazy stories.

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Crazy stories. Yeah.

[B]

And it's about to get better.

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Don't try this at home, kids.

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Do not try it at home.

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No.

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And this thing is just about to put it over the top with our next guest.

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Oh, absolutely. I cannot wait. I've been waiting all.

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Let's do it.

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What was that sexy voice that came through my ears?

[B]

He is a pretty sexy beast.

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Oh, my God, he's such a sexy guy.

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Been working on my fitness for sure.

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He smells of notes of tobacco too.

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It's Killian. There's only two boutiques in the country. Oh, angels share. I'm big on fragrances.

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Are you a frag head?

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I have two, three. Go to. Oh, we're gonna talk. Any very sweet smell. And of course, the classic Creed Aventus.

[A]

Whoa, dude, that is.

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But when you go to Vegas, that's the love potion. Yeah, go to Vegas. Check out crystal shop. Killian.

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Killian.

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Intoxicated.

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Yeah.

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I love smelling my own self. Not gonna lie.

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Wow.

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Wow.

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Are we recording still? We are. Awesome. Thank God this is happening. This is fantastic. Who are we talking to, by the way?

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We are here with the amazing Dr. Hamed Abbas Zadagan. He is the AIMD.

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Easy for you to say. Thanks, man. Say it five times.

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I'm good at names.

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We're not cutting that other stuff out either. Note to producers, do not cut out or edit this at all.

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It's all good.

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Busted.

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All right.

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Or keeping it. I messed up the name.

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I got you covered.

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A to Z.

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The AIMD in the house.

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That's right. That is right.

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Yeah.

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Tell us about you, Hamed.

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Yeah, internal medicine trained, but my entire career have been involved in clinical informatics. So pretty much got into that by doing a chief residency in quality and patient safety. There were only 60 of us in the country and I always found myself making optimizations to the electronic health record. So 2013, after a two year vacancy of the chief health informatics officer job, I was told, would you like this? And I always try to take the road less traveled. So my response response was hell yeah. Six Months into the job, clinical informatics becomes a board specialty. So that's 2013. Two years later, our affiliation with University of Arizona College of Medicine, Phoenix, we started the fifth fellowship program in the country for clinical informatics. So pretty much my whole career has been involved in clinical informatics training docs in it. I still teach it to physician executives at UT Dallas. And I've always been in data analytics and tech in healthcare, and that has naturally evolved to AI. I have trademark the name the aimd. I'm a board member of the Arizona AI Syndicate, representing healthcare. So when it comes to tech and healthcare, I am your man. Wow.

[A]

Yeah. There we go.

[C]

Appreciate it. Yeah.

[B]

Dude, drop the mic.

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Wow, man. The crowd loves him. The crowd loves him.

[C]

Yes, sir.

[A]

We haven't had that response all week.

[B]

That was awesome.

[A]

It was pretty good. And I like the whole, if you come to a fork in the road, take the spoon approach to life.

[C]

Like that.

[A]

Yeah, I like that. Yeah. Now, we were fortunate to have Ahmed join us for dinner the other night. And I got.

[B]

That was fun.

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I got the pleasure to sit next to him.

[B]

You sat next?

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I was at the cool table.

[B]

Yeah.

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Yeah, you were with the cool kids. He ratcheted the coolness up at our table so much.

[C]

Thank you.

[B]

But then he came to our table, so.

[C]

He did.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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We became the cool kids.

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But I did, too. I came over too.

[C]

You did too?

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I did. Sherry Duvall had cordially commanded us to.

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Join our cordial command.

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And a cordial command. I love that.

[B]

I love. That's great.

[A]

So what have you seen so far in the last three days that has blown your mind? Anything?

[C]

I think that the main theme is this is a very positive approach to healthcare, a lot of embracing. We're not running and hiding. So that's an overall theme.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

That there's AI application on mental health longevity. There's so many ways and directions. We're going to optimize everything, and that's what AI is doing. The train has already left the station. Right. So the main general theme is the sense of optimism. Yeah, Good. Change AI for longevity for mental health. It's just AI for everything to improve health. And personally, I actually believe, for a number of different reasons, I will help us live to be 120 if you should so desire. But the general theme is optimism. And then the most exciting aspect of everything is the fact that we are the generation, meaning all of us, that's going to develop this for future generations.

[A]

Right.

[C]

So we need moments like this to where we gather together, exchange Ideas and then fuel ourselves and each other to be optimistic, to build this damn thing out to what we want it to be, what we know it can be.

[A]

We're the pioneers.

[C]

That's it. And now we live through the start of the Internet and the start of AI Crazy. We're going to get it right this time. That's how I see it.

[B]

Yeah, man.

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Yeah. It's coming fast and furious.

[C]

Super fast and furious. It's overwhelming.

[B]

Yeah.

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And I love that people are leaning in.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Whereas last couple of years, we said, okay, let me see what's happening here. And it's gotten fast. It's gotten crazy in a short period of time. That's the main difference between the Internet revolution and, yes. The AI movement. I. I think is going to. It already has. It's going to advance technology, business, society in less time and exponentially less time. If it took the Internet 20 years or so for us to adjust as a society.

[C]

Right.

[A]

Yeah. We had some adjustment of jobs and people change roles, and we had new roles created and others eliminated.

[B]

Right.

[A]

This is going to happen a lot faster.

[C]

So how fast blistering the.

[A]

We're three years into it, right?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And we're already seeing effects of significant job displacement, I think. And I think more than we did see with the Internet. Like, it took about the first couple of years for things really, maybe five, ten years before you started to see the effects. I think now we're seeing the effects. We're like, living it.

[C]

Three years in trust has accelerated. Oh, I don't want to buy something online. You can have my credit card.

[A]

That's right. That's right.

[C]

And you're going to start charging it. Yeah. I don't know what is going to happen. But the trust with AI is also very quick because people are getting personal.

[A]

Experiences in the couple generations below. They don't care really about privacy. They care about experience, convenience. Right.

[C]

And so instant info.

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Instant.

[C]

Is it gonna rain?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Boom.

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Boom.

[C]

You just know, Right. If you're five years old, you're gonna know the answer to that question with your. Alex. Yeah.

[A]

I want to solve a problem. I don't want to do a lot of work. I just want the answer. Give me the answer. Let me move on. And I think where we were digging in, fixing shovels, trying to solve problems. Right. It's going to be delivered now at the speed of light, which is just a bad phrase to use from a guy who writes poetry.

[C]

Right.

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Such a cliche.

[C]

It's true.

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It's such a cliche, but it's true.

[C]

It's so true.

[B]

It is. And I want to index on what you said, Hamed is we're building it like it's happening right now. And a common thread that I have heard and in all the conversations we've been having Ed, with amazing people like you, Hamed, is that there's a lot of people that have been there the first time and built it the first time here. Yeah, it's like we have the trendsetters here.

[A]

Yeah. The early pioneers.

[B]

The early pioneers, like you're doing in the programs you have, Right?

[C]

Yeah. Let's build. Let's build. So let's create it.

[B]

So what's the guideline, you know, what's.

[C]

The charter here in terms of AI use?

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Yeah.

[C]

And building the future using AI for your own personal health benefit is going to take us to new levels. And you have that capability. You're wearing an Apple watch. I'm not because I only wear it in the gym and at night for sleep. But you are now your own data scientist. And all of us are different. Right. Our souls are different, who we are different, what we like are different. The music we like, what we eat. But what if I could bio simulate every single possible scenario that leads to every single possible known disease, future diseases we don't know, infections and cancers. And then create a plan customized to you that prevents it all. That's why I say we can live to be 120, probably with ease, assuming you want it. We know smoking is bad, but people still smoke. So not everybody wants this. But if you do, you could prevent things. We've seen advancement of vaccines, of course. I'm not trying to get into any controversy with that. But vaccines are immune modulators. Right. So a lot of cancers are immunologic in basis. So if I just squirt some juice in you through a cancer prevention vaccine. Well, you're not going to get that anymore.

[A]

I want that juice.

[C]

I know, I want that juice too. That's what we're entering. It's beyond just health systems and processes. It's custom tailored plans based off of you, your own data. You're going to have a lot more insight. And then now your doctor or clinicians are going to be your persuasive coach. So knowledge is now equal. Right. We all know the same things. But now I have experience with these 50 people that I gave these treatments and therapeutics and I'm going to come and talk to you and we're going to feel that moment and I'm going to convince you to allow someone to cut you open or to take this drug that has side effects. You see what I'm saying?

[A]

I do. Do you think in the next five years, we're going to be able to actually measure the soul? Ooh. That is visualize the soul.

[C]

I'll be honest. I hope so. I think there's something there that we just haven't been able to crack and find out. We all feel it. We know it's real. Right. But why not? I think so. If things are going at the speed of light, why not get more info about the light?

[A]

About the light, yes. Can you imagine if we could harness the soul? What would that mean?

[C]

That would make us very powerful individuals again. This is going to take us to the next evolution of man, if you will.

[B]

I think it's called blues.

[C]

Blues. Okay.

[A]

Like the music?

[B]

Yeah.

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Oh, man. We getting soulful.

[C]

What happened?

[A]

She takes something there.

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I think it would be exciting. We can start to pursue such things now. Right? We've conquered cancer, and we know how to live long. And we know all the deficiencies and how to prevent every disease. So what's next? Let's get into soul science.

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Soul science.

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Soul science.

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Yeah.

[C]

I like that.

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Is it a real field?

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Yes.

[A]

Well, no kidding.

[C]

I know a soul scientist. Yeah, I remember you mentioned, ironically, he lived in Sedona for a number of years. Sedona, Arizona. Which is very. Yeah. Deep type of place, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Carlos Castanata.

[C]

I don't know what that is.

[A]

Oh, peyote. You wrote a lot of books on peyote. Okay, yeah. Sedona. Peyote.

[C]

Sedona's magical.

[A]

Not that I've ever taken peyote.

[C]

Sure.

[A]

I've read books about it. Let's see. Soul. So if you can harness the soul and you can measure the soul, could you transplant the soul?

[C]

Oh, this is like next level. Yeah, but again, we've already. We're already. We've fingered every disease.

[A]

Dr. Daniel Kraft went so next level that now we got to take it up the next level. He didn't talk anything about the soul.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Nothing involves soul in his presentation. So it starts here.

[C]

It starts here.

[A]

Yeah. Soulai.com. check us out.

[C]

Is it a real website?

[A]

No, we just created it. It's our new company.

[C]

Ahmed, register that asap.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Get the agent. Get the agent. Luckily, we have our agent connected to this podcast.

[C]

Nice.

[B]

It's patented. Patent that. Please.

[A]

If you're going to be the AI md, I'm going to be the doctor of soul.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

I like it.

[A]

All Right. Well, co founders. Yeah.

[C]

I think you could find the energy, the science of energy to a new proportion. Yeah. Solve these types of things, and at this stage, I think anything is possible.

[A]

Maybe that's how we get to the next planet.

[C]

I'm glad you brought that up. In fact, it's something I've thought about a lot because I feel we're limited in our knowledge on thrust capability to get us to another planet and discover new things. But, yes, this. It's going to have to be. I don't want to be negative about damage to Earth and climate change, but ultimately we're going to have to solve this. And so it's probably going to be AI implementation that helps us to solve this.

[A]

In our being, our physical being is the limitation, the constraint of actually going to another planet. So if we could harness the soul and then create some other resilient physical entity, some container for the soul, we could go anywhere. You could be on Jupiter. I could be on Mars. You could be on Uranus.

[C]

And for people who think we're way off the mark here, maybe we could use a container that just contains your body and keeps it preserved as you make that travel.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

There's movies on this. So someone's dreamt it.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

So why not? Why the hell not?

[A]

Why not? Or just send a rocket up with a bunch of souls.

[B]

Or Transformers. That's what Transformers is all about.

[C]

Robots in disguise.

[A]

Oh, you think there's soul. They have Transform. They do. They have souls. Does a Transformer have a soul?

[B]

I think.

[C]

I think so.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I would think so.

[A]

I don't know. That's an interesting question.

[B]

Transformers. That's where we're going, man.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. Huh?

[A]

What kind of Transformer would you be?

[B]

I would be Bumblebee.

[A]

Is that a Transformer?

[B]

Really?

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

My son loves this stuff.

[C]

How would you.

[A]

What would you be in.

[C]

What would I be?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Bumblebee is a cool. That's a cool cat. Oh, he already got Bumblebee. Then maybe Optimus Prime, Right? What's boss.

[A]

What's the big guy? Is that the Optimus Prime? Who's the big bulky? You know that guy? What's his.

[B]

I forgot his name.

[A]

Do you remember?

[B]

It would be Optimus Prime.

[A]

Oh, is that Prime? That's it. Yeah.

[C]

All right.

[A]

Is there another one there?

[B]

I just know those two.

[C]

So.

[A]

I'm not a Transformer.

[C]

What the. I was more in the Ninja Turtles than. I'm a Ninja Turtle person. Yeah. So.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Have you watched any of the movies?

[C]

No.

[B]

Okay. You got to watch.

[A]

You got to 11. Okay? I'm not going to watch a Transformer movie.

[B]

Listen, what the hell? I think you'll enjoy it.

[C]

Just watch the first one and you're done then.

[A]

Really?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Is that Scheiber? Scheiber Kid. That's. Who's in that? Who's the actor in that? I'm so bad. What's his name?

[C]

Actors. Is it Mark?

[A]

Shia LaBeouf.

[C]

Shia LaBeouf? Yes.

[A]

Yeah. Leef. Shia LaBeouf and who? Megan. Who?

[C]

Megan Fox. Yeah.

[A]

All right, I'm watching that.

[B]

Okay, I'll watch. I'll send you a link.

[C]

Just watch it for. I've never seen Beyond.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. First one's good. What are the movies you like? Desert Island. Yeah, Desert Island.

[C]

My favorite movie of all time till this day that I still watch every time it comes on USA is Shawshank Redemption.

[A]

Shawshank Guy. Such. Never seen. Seen the movie, Are you never seen the movie?

[C]

It's on every three days. It's on every three days.

[B]

Not seen the movie?

[A]

No.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

It's okay. It's on every three days?

[A]

No. Never seen the movie.

[B]

Why is that a choice? You just choose not to watch it?

[A]

I just like to be the guy to say I never saw that movie. You see the reaction I get.

[C]

Don't get people.

[A]

I'm a Jaws guy. I'm an Apocalypse now guy. I'm not a Harry Met Sally guy. I'm a good fellows guy.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Godfather one two.

[C]

All right.

[A]

Halloween one through nine.

[C]

All of those I haven't seen.

[A]

I love a good horror movie. Have you seen Long Legs?

[C]

No. I actually hate horror movies. They literally scare me. And I don't care if. Oh, what? You can think anything you want of it.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

I literally have nightmares and I just.

[B]

Can'T want to mess with it.

[C]

No.

[A]

There's some horror movies I can't watch. The Ring. I can't watch. Anything with dolls in it. Annabelle or whatever. Megan, whatever. That thing. AI doll thing.

[B]

How about another one?

[C]

Another movie?

[A]

Yeah, I gotta check it out.

[C]

Now you have. Okay, you ready for this one?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Another top three. Probably number two, Dumb and Dumber.

[A]

Okay, now you're talking.

[C]

That doesn't get better.

[A]

Farley Brothers. Farley Brother.

[C]

Fairly Jim Carrey and his.

[A]

Yeah, nice.

[C]

That's. My wife and I till this day have so many, like, snippets from the movie that we say to each other.

[A]

Yeah, nice. Okay.

[C]

It's a good step brothers.

[A]

You like that movie?

[C]

Yes, I do. It's good Step brother. Yeah. Billy Madison, that there's a reason why till this day, 2025 in our AI era, they're still playing on repeat on USA and yeah, those type of bad.

[B]

Ass Home Alone classic.

[A]

One or two?

[C]

One.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Although definitely two was good.

[A]

Yeah. One though.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So classic.

[C]

Yeah, it's a classic. I haven't seen it in a while.

[A]

But yeah, you can't beat it.

[C]

Two was good.

[A]

Yeah, two was good.

[C]

Plaza. Yeah.

[A]

You haven't seen Black Phone? That was a horror movie.

[C]

No horror movies.

[A]

I got kids to watch one horror movie. You should see Black Phone, it would freak you out. Seriously. I still can't.

[C]

I won't be seeing that one. But if you, if someone like you says it'll freak someone like me out. No, I want to.

[A]

All right, then I sleep and then I'll take. We'll go. We'll go on a little trip, we'll get an ayahuasca tent and we'll watch Black Phone. No, I'm just kidding. I don't even know what that.

[C]

Probably have a heart attack.

[A]

I don't even know what I just said. I don't even know what those things mean. I have no idea.

[C]

You'll probably be so introspective on that, you'll just melt. Your brain will cause you to melt and you won't even get to live all this.

[B]

He's going to build the future of AI.

[A]

Don't kill it. You brought me out of my mirror.

[C]

We're all building the future.

[A]

Yes, the aimd. Yeah. Standards are important too.

[C]

Very important. Yeah.

[A]

What's your take? Standards?

[C]

Well, I think my favorite standard of all time is the USBC port and how the European Union forced us all to use it. You have it plugged in on your laptop now? I plugged it in on my iPhone, phone and it's like we're all using the same plug. That's. When someone says standards to me, my mind immediately goes to usbc because I understand it.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

So if you understand USBC and that story, you understand standards. So for AI, we have to have guardrails and protections. Right. And we have to ensure that there's some degree, at least at some point in times and checkpoints, that there's some human input. At the end of the day, we're the consumers of AI. Right. AI, I don't think is going to consume it itself. Building standards, creating the governance, understanding how to use things is extremely important and it allows us all to be on the same wavelength.

[A]

Yeah. It's so important.

[B]

I did have a question sure. What is the USBC story? And then we'll get back to it.

[C]

No, it's okay. Is there a story? Apple, we all know iPhones. Most of us have them. And they had their own lightning rod. Right. For a while, even if you had a third party make a lightning rod, it wouldn't work on your iPhone. That's right. And it wouldn't charge it.

[A]

Yeah. Then Apple doesn't like standards. Unless it's Apple standard.

[C]

Yeah, well, it has a competitive advantage. There's a whole market of charging you $30 for something that everyone loses. Chargers.

[A]

Everyone's. I bought probably 100 chargers in my life.

[C]

I walk around the hotel room as you check out, making sure you grab your charger.

[A]

Yes, exactly.

[C]

So basically, just long story short, European Union forced that. Hey, you have to have the same charger for all these devices. So now, laptops, cell phones, other devices. I actually have a. I have a very light beard right now. And the trimmer I have has a USB C charger. So it's like we have one standard to charge every damn battery. As a USB C isn't. I think it's good. I have. Yeah.

[B]

I love the container.

[A]

I love that.

[B]

Sorry. So let's fast forward. Thank you for that.

[A]

Use the manscape for the trimmer. What do you use?

[C]

I did not like the manscape because it cut me in my man region and I tossed it aside.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

So, no, I'm talking about your beard.

[C]

Well, you said manscape. Well, I guess man could be top or bottom.

[B]

That's true.

[C]

My mind's always in the gutter, but, yeah. So the manscape selling point is that it won't.

[A]

For the record, I did not anyone into the gutter.

[C]

I'm always in the gutter. But, yes, that's how you stay nicely clean and groomed. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. He brings 15 bottles of perfume. Really? Along with them. Yeah.

[C]

Fragrance is very important. It's a part of your. It's a part of your dress. It's a part of what you wear. From your shoes to your clothes to your fragrance to your trimmed beard. To me, it's about being a distinguished gentleman.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

That is the ultimate man.

[A]

Oh, man.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Should we be friends?

[C]

Of course we are friends. You know what Killian is. Most people don't.

[A]

So, angel, have you ever tried Smoking Hot Killian?

[C]

No. I feel like you're one level above me.

[A]

He watches YouTube influencers on fragrance. Okay. Got like a. If you like a hookah smell. It's got, like a hookah hookah smell.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Damn. I Might start wearing that. Really good.

[C]

Yeah, well, I have to try. I have a friend, by the way, that mixes fragrances.

[A]

Can you please move closer to the mic, sir? I layer. I layer my.

[C]

You layer? Okay, that's. So people that layer their fragrances are next level.

[B]

Really?

[A]

So I layer Creed Aventus with green Irish tweed.

[C]

Oh, yeah. You're a gangster. In a good way.

[A]

Yeah. Thank you.

[C]

Wow, that's. What are you wearing now?

[A]

What's happening?

[C]

Can I smell you?

[A]

What's happening here? People are smelling people.

[C]

He smells good.

[A]

People that smell people.

[C]

It smells good. Yeah.

[A]

Are the smelliest people.

[B]

All right, so I took us off track with it.

[A]

Yeah, you did.

[B]

Let's bring it back.

[A]

We did not want to talk about upc.

[B]

I did all right. So thanks. Thanks for allowing me to go down that path.

[A]

So tell us about tension here with.

[B]

My co host, AI Standards. We're almost at the end, guys. All right. AI Standards.

[C]

Yeah. So again, just that governance component, making sure we're all doing similar things and being careful in similar manners and using it in the right way. So what is right versus wrong? Well, again, let's determine that. And that's the point of standards.

[A]

Awesome.

[C]

That's what I don't want to.

[A]

I don't want to end on standards.

[B]

No, that is.

[C]

The fragrances are cool.

[A]

Yeah. Riskiest thing you've ever done.

[C]

Riskiest thing I've ever done. I'm out. I'm an adrenaline junkie, so probably just cliff jumping.

[A]

I don't think we've ever had cliff jumping.

[C]

What is the highest cliff?

[B]

Dyna.

[C]

I don't know. Do you wear that? I'm not that crazy. I like to mountain bike, so downhill. But again, I am very cautious. Even though I just told you a cliff jump, but just different mountainous regions by bodies of water. Ultimately, you're going to drop into a body of water.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

But the moment before you decide to jump is one of the most intense mind Fs of. That's true.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

In everything in life. Starting a company, getting married, having a child.

[C]

Courage. Oh, yeah. Getting arrested, whatever it may be. But when you're standing and looking. Of course, if you have a fear of heights, this isn't even possible. So thankfully, I don't have a fear of heights. But you look and you get into this oh, shit moment. And then my mind is wired to just, hey, shut it all down. So I just go blank and I'm like, let's go. And then you jump. And the feeling of exhilaration and the rush is unlike. Anything else, and in a snap of a finger, you hit the water.

[A]

You're not disassociating though.

[C]

No, no, you're in, you're in.

[A]

You're in the moment. Yeah.

[C]

You're in the moment. And the moment of clarity, purity and lucidness is unlike any feeling. And it only lasts literally one second. But if you're scared to do it, here's my advice. Watch one person jump ahead of you and if they don't die, you good? Yeah, just jump in. Going in the water.

[A]

What a great lesson. So we could end here now?

[B]

Yeah, we definitely could. Well, what I'm curious, what's your craziest jump story?

[C]

I don't know if I have crazy. It's just like people looking at you like you are crazy and you just decide to jump.

[A]

Does your wife jump too?

[C]

Oh, hell no.

[A]

Oh, okay.

[C]

No, okay, no, she does not. In fact, she. I'll just say it has a little bit of fear of height. So.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

No, most people, this is like life or death for them. But for me, it's some type of split second experience that's unlike anything else. And so anything. Wind in my face, like being on a boat, riding a bike, going downhill, looking at the horizon.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

It's amazing feeling and I get it. Yes. It's dangerous. I'm very cautious. I have a very good mountain bike. I know how to leverage different techniques to be safe. I don't want to get injured.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I like to turn the hairdryer on.

[C]

Cool.

[A]

In the morning and put in my face and pretend I'm cliff diving. Actually, it's exhilarating. I don't need my 6 shot Americano after doing that.

[C]

Well, when you have the surround sound AI Experience, it can just take you there and maybe you'll get that.

[A]

I think that you should create something like that. A little like container you could sit in.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And like experience cliff jump.

[C]

Well, here's the thing with that. So AI will not be able to give you that.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Experience because it won't feel real.

[A]

Well, listen, have you been in the sphere and seen a concert?

[C]

I've been in this.

[A]

Yeah. People trip over chairs and they lose their balance and it's immersive.

[C]

It is immersive. It is cool. But it still has a little bit of artificial feel. If you look up, you'll see some glitches.

[A]

I know, I know, of course, yeah.

[C]

It'S close, but trust me. And I floated on the clouds and when I saw Enema, the first EDM concert there, there was this Moment where this robot jumped into this, like, hole.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And started flying. And the whole crowd was like, whoa. Even I was like, whoa. But it was not the same experience as jumping off even a 10, 20 foot cliff.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

So the authenticity, the feeling of reality.

[A]

Crowd crowd diving, crowd surfing.

[C]

Right. Yeah.

[A]

That's. Have you done that? No. Do you ever. Mosh pit?

[C]

No, because I'm just gonna get elbowed in the.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

You know, where you wake up with.

[A]

A little blood in your urine in the morning, but otherwise it's exhilarating. It's.

[C]

That's not normal.

[A]

Oh, it's not.

[C]

Oh, blood in the urine.

[B]

No.

[C]

Okay. But I feel that.

[A]

Check that out. Kids, if you have that issue, unless.

[C]

You just had beets the night before. Oh, yeah.

[A]

What the hell is up with beets, man? I always freak out after eating beets. What's happening?

[C]

Patient causes that discoloration.

[A]

Okay, Doctor, don't be a show off. The AI MD in the house with the AI Med Insights podcast series. Incredible. Day three, Right?

[C]

All right.

[A]

I don't want to end with him, but. I know. I think we have somebody queuing out. Yeah, that's a bummer. Have to have you back on.

[C]

Hell, yeah. Anytime. Yeah, Anytime.

[B]

All right, well, Hamed.

[A]

Any last words?

[C]

Ahmed.

[B]

And where can people find you too?

[C]

Yeah, sure. Good. Instagram at the aimd website. The AIMD AI.

[A]

Nice.

[C]

And. Yeah. Otherwise LinkedIn as usual. First name, last name. Insanely long parting words is we're at a moment in history unlike anything. And everyone says that, and it's cliche, but this shit is as real as it gets. Yeah. You're not going to be able to stop this. Think positive. Yes, you can give a gun to a humanoid and program it to do bad things. That has already. It's already here. So that fear, just get over it. Because it's already here.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Embrace this moment. There will never be anything like it. And when I say embrace, I mean be involved. To develop it. To improve mankind. Get us to other planets. Maybe transplant souls. Create new fragrances. Experience things that you didn't have the guts to do. Jump off a cliff and ball it out, baby.

[A]

Thanks for listening to Risk Never Sleeps for the show. Notes, resources and more information and how to transform the protection of patient safety. Visit [e-mail] that's C E N S I N E T dot com. I'm your host, Ed Gaudet. And until next time, stay vigilant because Risk never sleeps.