Episode #231. Before We Automate Everything… Should We Fix Anything?, with Richard Staynings, Chief Security Strategist at Cylera

Summary

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Risk Never Sleeps Podcast – Episode #231

Title: Before We Automate Everything… Should We Fix Anything?
Guest: Richard Staynings, Chief Security Strategist at Cylera
Host: Ed Gaudet (CEO & Founder of Censinet)
Date: June 8, 2026
Location: Recorded at HIMSS 2026, Las Vegas

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Episode Overview

In this engaging episode, Ed Gaudet sits down with healthcare cybersecurity veteran Richard Staynings for a candid and wide-ranging discussion at HIMSS 2026. The main theme centers around healthcare’s rapid adoption of automation and AI‒and the urgent question: are foundational issues being neglected in the rush to automate everything? The conversation moves from the future of AI in medicine and risk management to Richard’s journey, his advice for the next generation, and a surprising detour through classic rock nostalgia.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Introduction & Background

[00:31 – 02:26]

• Richard Staynings introduces his 30+ year career in healthcare cybersecurity.
  • Current roles: Chief Security Strategist at Cylera, professor at the University of Denver and visiting professor at the University of Maryland.
  • Advisor to ThreatIQ, a Canadian risk assessment innovator.
• Authored a chapter in “Digital Entrepreneurialship” focusing on cybersecurity for medical innovators.
• “The big question with a book is you’ve got to predict what’s going to be top by the time it gets out.” (Richard, 02:22)

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2. AI, Automation, and the Need for Foundational Security

[02:34 – 04:53]

• The hype at HIMSS 2026: “Agentix” and major AI changes ahead.
• Richard warns against the “maturity gap” between new tech implementations and adequate cybersecurity.
  • “We need to ensure that there’s not a maturity gap between the technology we’re implementing and the cybersecurity necessary to secure that new technology.” (Richard, 03:16)
• On robot nurses: Some hospitals already use robots for lab and drug delivery, even calling elevators. The infrastructure of hospitals is being redesigned for growing robotics needs.
  • “You just throw the tail of the robot into the elevator and you get directly to the floor that you need to. None of this waiting.” (Richard, 03:37)
• Risks of automation: Jokes about traffic jams caused by autonomous robots, comparing hospital hallways to San Francisco streets clogged by automated Waymo wagons.

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3. Richard’s Career Journey

[04:58 – 07:43]

• Early days: Led teams building early e-commerce by making HTTP “stateful.”
• Worked at Compaq, then witnessed major mergers (Digital Equipment, HP).
• Nostalgia for old tech: The “luggable” Compaq 386, RISC chips, the Tadpole laptop.
• International background: From Bath, UK, now based in Boulder, Colorado after living in 33 countries.
  • “I’ve lived in, I think, 33 countries at this point.” (Richard, 06:57)

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4. Personal Insights & Fun Facts

[07:48 – 10:41]

• Advice to his 20-year-old self: “Work harder. Study harder... Work smarter.” (07:48)
• Academic background: Government & Public Policy; later business and cybersecurity degrees. Serial advisor to startups; hasn’t launched his own… yet.
• Prolific academic writer—currently mid-way through several disaster medicine papers for major journals (possible JAMA publication).
• Collaborations with Dr. Christian Demet, Dr. Jeff Tully, and Brian Hatter (head of DF).
  • Presented at the World Association of Disaster and Emergency Medicine (Tokyo).
• Favorite travel spots: The Northern Territory of Australia (for adventure), Colorado (for living).

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5. Risk-Taking and Life Experiences

[10:43 – 13:27]

• Riskiest experiences: Multiple parachute jumps, bungee jumping in Thailand, diving with sharks (over 600 dives on the Great Barrier Reef).
  • “I jumped out of a plane parachute one time... multiple times.” (Richard, 10:47)
• Music tangent: Five albums for a desert island? Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd top the list, especially Animals and Presence.
  • “Animals is my favorite. [...] Whenever it’s snowy outside, Animals is on.” (Richard, 11:41, 12:23)

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6. Hard Truths: The State of Healthcare & Cyber Risk

[14:05 – 15:45]

• Richard’s stark advice to new entrants in healthcare:
  • “Don’t do it. Really. Healthcare is a crazy place to be. Yeah, right. It’s such a mess. There’s so much churn. [...] The entire structural fabric of U.S. healthcare [...] faces some existential crisis in the very, very near future. Wow. The whole economic model is broken and continues to break. Doctors are leaving the profession in droves. Physician suicides, particularly in Canada, are through the roof [...] We are not prepared for a disaster in any way, shape or form. [...] And our systems are held together with sticky tape.” (Richard, 14:13)
• Laments that CEOs focus on business and clinical risk, ignoring how cyber and IT risk threaten patient safety.
  • “Most CEOs of hospital systems will examine business risk and clinical risk. Right. They won’t see the impact that cyber risk or IT resiliency, or lack thereof, actually places upon patient safety. Which at the end of the day, is what hospitals are in or providers are in business to do.” (Richard, 15:33)

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7. Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the risk of adopting AI too quickly:
  “We need to do it safely. We need to ensure that there’s not a maturity gap between the technology we’re implementing and the cybersecurity necessary to secure that new technology.” (Richard Staynings, 03:16)
• On the fragile state of healthcare IT:
  “Our systems are held together with sticky tape... it’s glued together and it’s underfunded.” (Richard Staynings, 14:22)
• On music, nostalgia, and self-reflection:
  “I think Animals is my favorite. [...] Whenever it’s snowy outside, Animals is on.” (Richard, 11:41, 12:23)
• On advice to the next generation:
  “Don’t do it. Healthcare is a crazy place to be. Yeah, right. It’s such a mess. [...] The entire structural fabric... faces some existential crisis in the very, very near future.” (Richard, 14:13)
• On patient safety and cyber risk:
  “Most CEOs of hospital systems will examine business risk and clinical risk. Right. They won’t see the impact that cyber risk or IT resiliency, or lack thereof, actually places upon patient safety.” (Richard, 15:33)

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Important Timestamps

• Richard’s intro and career summary: [00:31 – 02:26]
• Perspective on AI and automation risks in healthcare: [02:34 – 04:53]
• Musings on robot nurses and hospital automation: [03:34 – 04:53]
• Richard’s path into the field (the stateful web, Compaq, travels): [04:58 – 07:43]
• Personal philosophy and advice to young professionals: [07:48 – 08:13, 14:05 – 15:45]
• Professional accomplishments and passion for academic writing: [09:41 – 10:37]
• Music detour (desert island albums): [11:31 – 13:27]
• Warnings about the fragility of healthcare infrastructure: [14:13 – 15:45]

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Summary & Takeaways

• Automation is coming fast to healthcare—but without foundational cybersecurity and risk management, patient safety is at risk. The industry must avoid the trap of leapfrogging to shiny new tech without fixing what’s broken.
• Hospital leaders often underestimate the link between IT/cyber risk and patient safety. This oversight could mean severe consequences in the next disaster or systemic failure.
• Richard’s personal journey is a testament to adaptability and continuous learning, but his advice for newcomers is sobering: expect messiness, volatility, and a system stretched to breaking—yet also great purpose.
• The episode’s casual, conversational tone mirrors the blend of grave warnings and light-hearted tangents, offering a unique window into the mind of a security strategist who loves both risk management and classic rock.

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Notable Quote to Remember

"We need to ensure that there’s not a maturity gap between the technology we’re implementing and the cybersecurity necessary to secure that new technology."
— Richard Staynings [03:16]

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For More Info and Resources

Visit censinet.com for best practices, show notes, and tools to protect patient safety in healthcare.

Transcript

[Richard Stannings]

Foreign.

[Ed Gaudet]

Welcome to Risk Never Sleeps where we meet and get to know the people delivering patient care and protecting patient safety. I'm your host, Ed Gaudet.

[Ed Gaudette]

Welcome to the Risk Never Sleeps podcast in which we learn about the people that are on the front lines protecting patient safety and delivering patient care. I'm Ed Gaudette and I'm here at HIMSS 2026 in Las Vegas with Richard Stannings.

[Richard Stannings]

Good morning.

[Ed Gaudette]

Good morning, sir. Let's start off with telling our listeners a little bit about yourself, your role. You wear many hats, which is cool. And your organization or organizations, I should say.

[Richard Stannings]

Yeah, absolutely. So I've been in the healthcare CyberSecurity space for 30 plus years at this point. Yeah, it's been an interesting journey. I wear many hats, as you mentioned. I'm chief security strategist of Cylera, a innovative AI backed IoT security solution, particularly for medical device security. I'm also professor of healthcare cybersecurity at the University of Denver.

[Ed Gaudette]

Excellent.

[Richard Stannings]

I'm visiting professor at the University of Maryland.

[Ed Gaudette]

Okay.

[Richard Stannings]

So do a little bit of work there.

[Ed Gaudette]

Nice.

[Richard Stannings]

And I'm also recently joined a company out of Toronto, Canada by the name of ThreatIQ as an advisor to their organization which are changing the way that risk assessments are done in the space.

[Ed Gaudette]

Nice.

[Ed Gaudet]

Nice.

[Ed Gaudette]

And have you written a book yet? I have. Okay.

[Richard Stannings]

I wrote a book a couple of years ago or I contributed to a book a couple of years ago. Had to fly across the world to actually find a quiet island to sit down and to write my chapters. That was.

[Ed Gaudette]

What's the name of the book?

[Richard Stannings]

It's Digital Entrepreneurialship. So we look at what information is pertinent to digital entrepreneurs in the medical entrepreneurs in the space. So it's targeted a lot at innovation, AI innovation, IoT innovation for healthcare providers. Most of the. A lot of the contributors to the book were md, so they were coming to it from a clinical risk perspective. And. And I added a chapter on cyber security to kind of pull all that together.

[Ed Gaudette]

Get it on Amazon.

[Richard Stannings]

I'm assuming it's on Amazon. It's a Springer book, so you can find it.

[Ed Gaudette]

Okay.

[Richard Stannings]

Just about anywhere.

[Ed Gaudette]

So congrats. Get another one in the works.

[Richard Stannings]

Got another one in concept. Ideation, concept of a plan. Should we say?

[Ed Gaudette]

So you can't share it now or

[Unidentified Guest or Participant]

not at the moment

[Ed Gaudette]

Formulating it. Yeah. That's awesome.

[Richard Stannings]

The big question with a book is you've got to predict what's going to be top.

[Ed Gaudette]

Yes. By the time it gets out.

[Richard Stannings]

Exactly. To write these things. Yeah.

[Ed Gaudette]

It Does. It's so hard and everything's moving so quickly now.

[Richard Stannings]

Very much so. Particularly in the AI and the cyberspace, which is the, you know, the two areas that I focus upon.

[Unidentified Guest or Participant]

Yeah.

[Richard Stannings]

So.

[Ed Gaudette]

So let's talk prediction. 20 years from now, what does this all look like?

[Richard Stannings]

You and I will be a lot grayer if we're still kicking around.

[Ed Gaudette]

Or maybe dust.

[Richard Stannings]

Exactly. Dust in the wind.

[Unidentified Guest or Participant]

Yeah.

[Richard Stannings]

It'll be an interesting landscape, I think. You know, I've presented on Sunday at the Cyber Security, on Monday at the Cybersecurity Forum, and I presented again on Tuesday at the Hints Connect stage. I think a lot of the conversations this year have been about predicting. Is it predicting the future, what's going to happen?

[Unidentified Guest or Participant]

Yeah, yeah.

[Richard Stannings]

I think we're on the cusp of some fairly significant AI changes. The hype cycle this year is all talking about Agentix.

[Unidentified Guest or Participant]

Yeah.

[Richard Stannings]

But there's so much more in AI that we could do. But we need to do it safely. We need to ensure that there's not a maturity gap between the technology we're implementing and the cyber security necessary to secure that new technology. And that's one of the big messages I've been sharing around at him this week.

[Ed Gaudette]

You think we'll have robot nurses? 20 years.

[Richard Stannings]

I think we already have robot nurses. If you go to some of the better funded healthcare systems, you'll see robots that are delivering labs or delivering drugs to Pixis cabinets or taking paper files to and from different parts of the hospital. These robots will traverse the hallways, they will call elevators and they are prioritized on the elevator. So if you know where the robot's going, you just throw the tail of the robot into the elevator and you get directly to the floor that you need to. None of this waiting. Right. For other patients.

[Ed Gaudette]

So it's like these little Waymo wagon delivery in San San Francisco. Do you know who owns those?

[Richard Stannings]

Or Waymo.

[Ed Gaudette]

Is it Waymo?

[Unidentified Guest or Participant]

I have no idea.

[Ed Gaudette]

I see these little things running around the streets of LA in San Francisco.

[Richard Stannings]

What's interesting is when you see the videos of a traffic jam because all the way.

[Ed Gaudette]

Not only seen it, I was there watching one.

[Richard Stannings]

Oh yeah.

[Ed Gaudette]

Recently in la.

[Unidentified Guest or Participant]

Yeah.

[Ed Gaudette]

It just the person that was in got out of the car because it was like stuck in the middle of an intersection. Didn't know what to do.

[Unidentified Guest or Participant]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Richard Stannings]

I think we could end up in a similar situation in our hospitals. Right. So a lot of the hospitals are now being rebuilt, built redesign with wider corridors to facilitate robotic systems passing one another without having to Crush patients in the process.

[Ed Gaudette]

Yeah, we don't want to do that.

[Richard Stannings]

We're rather unfortunate.

[Ed Gaudette]

Let's not do that. How did you get into this space?

[Richard Stannings]

So I was very fortunate. Many years ago I was in charge of a team that was trying to make HTTP stateful.

[Ed Gaudette]

Okay, Right.

[Richard Stannings]

So back in yonder years, HTTP is a stateless protocol and you make a request of a web page and it's a one off request. And then you click on a link and there' second request. But the second request has no idea about first request. Right. And that makes it very difficult for E commerce, for example. Right. So what we had to do is to build state into web browsers by URL extensions and various other mechanisms. And then taking on from that, we had to look at different technologies and how we combine different web rendering technologies so we can pass state. You know, from the Oracles to the Microsoft to the, you know. Where did you do that actually when. A compact computer, if you remember.

[Ed Gaudette]

I do, of course.

[Richard Stannings]

I was working on a team building out the early days of E commerce. Yeah, I used to have one of

[Ed Gaudette]

their 386, the Luggables. The luggable, yeah, like a sewing machine.

[Richard Stannings]

Is your arm recovered?

[Ed Gaudette]

No, it hasn't actually.

[Richard Stannings]

Those things were heavy.

[Ed Gaudette]

Those things are really heavy.

[Unidentified Guest or Participant]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ed Gaudette]

Interesting. And then they ended up buying digital equipment.

[Richard Stannings]

They bought digital equipment.

[Ed Gaudette]

We were there. Yeah, okay.

[Richard Stannings]

Yeah, I was there.

[Unidentified Guest or Participant]

Yeah.

[Richard Stannings]

And then of course HP ended up buying Compact. Yeah, I know, yeah. Big fishy little fish, you know.

[Ed Gaudette]

Two big companies getting destroyed.

[Richard Stannings]

Well, there were a whole heap of other companies that got sucked into Compact before I even got there. Remember the Himalayas? No, The Never Stop Himalaya Computer Systems?

[Ed Gaudette]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Sequence. That was, well, that was the early days of unix, right?

[Unidentified Guest or Participant]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ed Gaudette]

When they were Sun Microsystems.

[Richard Stannings]

Right.

[Ed Gaudette]

They were sort of the pilot fish of axes. They were trying to more performant, less money.

[Richard Stannings]

And Windows used to run on RISC chips and.

[Ed Gaudette]

That's right, Risk chip. Do you remember the Tadpole?

[Richard Stannings]

Yeah, yeah, you do. Oh my God.

[Ed Gaudette]

That was like the first like really high powered laptop.

[Richard Stannings]

We're showing our age here, aren't we? I'm not sure. Where are you from originally? From the uk. Where from? Bath. Just outside. Yeah. Okay.

[Ed Gaudette]

Nice, nice.

[Richard Stannings]

Well, I've lived In I think 33 countries at this point.

[Ed Gaudette]

Really?

[Richard Stannings]

I've been in the States for the last 30 years.

[Ed Gaudette]

Where do you live in the states?

[Richard Stannings]

Colorado.

[Ed Gaudette]

Colorado?

[Richard Stannings]

Yeah. Boulder, Colorado. Yeah.

[Ed Gaudette]

I just talked to somebody from Longmont.

[Richard Stannings]

Oh, okay.

[Unidentified Guest or Participant]

Yeah.

[Richard Stannings]

Just up the road.

[Unidentified Guest or Participant]

Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

[Ed Gaudette]

Well, you've been to Red Rocks, I assume.

[Richard Stannings]

Of course, yeah.

[Ed Gaudette]

Favorite show at Red Rocks.

[Richard Stannings]

A couple years ago I sat in the front row to see Brit Floyd, which is a Pink Floyd.

[Ed Gaudette]

I know, briefly. Yeah, I know that show.

[Unidentified Guest or Participant]

Yeah.

[Richard Stannings]

It was probably the best concert of my life.

[Ed Gaudette]

Of your life?

[Richard Stannings]

Yeah. It was unbelievable for a cover band. It was.

[Ed Gaudette]

Yeah.

[Richard Stannings]

You know, I think Pink Floyd, they're impressive and they were better than Pink Floyd. I don't see that. I hate to say it on air, but, you know, it was quite a few years ago. You know, the Pink Floyd team, we're

[Unidentified Guest or Participant]

getting a little bit.

[Ed Gaudette]

You a Roger Waters fan?

[Richard Stannings]

Yeah, I like it. I like it all.

[Ed Gaudette]

Yeah.

[Richard Stannings]

Both sides.

[Ed Gaudette]

Okay. We'll get to music a little.

[Richard Stannings]

A little later.

[Ed Gaudette]

Go back in time and tell your 20 year old self something.

[Richard Stannings]

What would it be? Work harder. Study harder.

[Ed Gaudette]

Really?

[Richard Stannings]

Work smarter.

[Ed Gaudette]

Work smarter.

[Richard Stannings]

I think that's probably the critical thing.

[Ed Gaudette]

What were you doing at 20?

[Richard Stannings]

I was still in university.

[Ed Gaudette]

You were still in university?

[Richard Stannings]

I spent a lot of time in university.

[Ed Gaudette]

What did you study?

[Richard Stannings]

Undergrad was in government and public policy and I did some other degrees in business and eventually went and got some cybersecurity degrees as well. And we've been an entrepreneur.

[Ed Gaudette]

Have you started up companies?

[Richard Stannings]

I've worked in a lot of entrepreneurial companies. I've advised a lot of startups.

[Unidentified Guest or Participant]

Yeah.

[Richard Stannings]

But I've not been the guy to come up with a innovative idea and go raise the money and, you know, there's time. There's still time. Hey, well, we got the whole afternoon.

[Ed Gaudette]

We could figure out something right now on this show.

[Richard Stannings]

Exactly. Great.

[Ed Gaudette]

Something.

[Richard Stannings]

Exactly.

[Ed Gaudette]

What's something about you that many people don't know? One fun fact.

[Richard Stannings]

I think a lot of people know a lot of things about me because I tend to be very prolific on social media, to be honest.

[Ed Gaudette]

Okay, so tell us something we don't know.

[Richard Stannings]

Well, let's just say I travel an awful lot. Yeah. I've worked for some fairly big companies that have been with Cisco for a number of years.

[Ed Gaudette]

Oh, you're Cisco?

[Richard Stannings]

Yeah. So I ran the Healthcare Cybersecurity Services group within Cisco and they have me flying 200,000 miles a year, so.

[Ed Gaudette]

Oh my gosh.

[Richard Stannings]

That was kind of interesting.

[Ed Gaudette]

What's your favorite place in the world?

[Richard Stannings]

Given.

[Ed Gaudette]

Given all the places I know. Oh, really?

[Richard Stannings]

So I think it depends on what the purpose is. Right. I mean, I love you could live anywhere. Well, live is different. I know. Visit. Yes. I would say Colorado. Right. I mean, it's great. Yeah, it's Lovely places.

[Ed Gaudette]

Okay. Visit. Let's go visit. Visit.

[Richard Stannings]

I love the Northern Territory of Australia. You can swim in the rivers, drink the water. I lived in Perth. You did a few? Yeah, yeah.

[Ed Gaudette]

You surf?

[Richard Stannings]

I've used to, yeah. Yeah. I don't quite have the balance that I used to swim with.

[Ed Gaudette]

Sharks.

[Richard Stannings]

I've swam with sharks.

[Unidentified Guest or Participant]

Yeah.

[Richard Stannings]

Yeah. Great Barrier Reef. 600 dives on the Great Barrier Reef.

[Ed Gaudette]

You're a Renaissance man.

[Richard Stannings]

Oh, well.

[Ed Gaudette]

Do you write?

[Richard Stannings]

Other than books, I write quite a lot of academic articles.

[Ed Gaudette]

You do?

[Richard Stannings]

So I'm in the middle of two or three different papers right now with some colleagues.

[Ed Gaudette]

Really?

[Richard Stannings]

For who? So one of the papers I'm on right now is working on disaster medicine.

[Ed Gaudette]

Okay.

[Richard Stannings]

For jama, or it's probably going to be in German. I don't know where we're going to. I'm not a primary author on it, but I think it may well be. I published stuff in jama before.

[Ed Gaudette]

You're working with Dumas, Dr. Demet?

[Richard Stannings]

Yes.

[Ed Gaudette]

Ah, okay.

[Richard Stannings]

Yeah.

[Ed Gaudette]

He's doing a lot in that area,

[Richard Stannings]

in fact, Christian and I and Jeff Tully. And Jeff, yeah, of course. Brian Hatter. Yeah. Who's another dm. He's head of DF out on the East Coast.

[Ed Gaudette]

That's great.

[Unidentified Guest or Participant]

Yeah.

[Richard Stannings]

We presented together in the Tokyo World association of Disaster and Emergency Medicine.

[Ed Gaudette]

Oh, interesting.

[Richard Stannings]

Last year.

[Ed Gaudette]

Oh, I can't wait to see it. When does it come out?

[Richard Stannings]

Well, it's not filmed. Right. It was a conference, but it was.

[Ed Gaudette]

No, no, I meant your paper. With the.

[Richard Stannings]

The paper that I'm working on right now. It's when it's finished.

[Ed Gaudette]

Yeah.

[Richard Stannings]

Okay. It's still in process.

[Unidentified Guest or Participant]

Yeah.

[Ed Gaudette]

That's great.

[Richard Stannings]

Yeah.

[Ed Gaudette]

Congrats.

[Richard Stannings]

Well, thank you. There's a lot of work goes into those things, you know. Yeah.

[Ed Gaudette]

What's the riskiest thing you've ever done?

[Richard Stannings]

Oh, God almighty. I jumped out of a plane parachute one time. Yeah.

[Ed Gaudette]

That's great.

[Richard Stannings]

That was considered pretty high risk at the time, you know. At least my mother thought it was.

[Ed Gaudette]

You did what?

[Richard Stannings]

This weekend I said I jumped out of a plane with a parachute one

[Ed Gaudette]

time or multiple times?

[Richard Stannings]

I did it multiple times.

[Ed Gaudette]

You did?

[Unidentified Guest or Participant]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ed Gaudette]

Bungee jump.

[Richard Stannings]

I bungee jump, too.

[Ed Gaudette]

New Zealand.

[Richard Stannings]

I've not done New Zealand. I've done Thailand.

[Unidentified Guest or Participant]

Oh, yeah.

[Richard Stannings]

The New Zealand one, I think, is the longest one in the world. I forget the height now.

[Ed Gaudette]

Yeah, that's right.

[Richard Stannings]

You jump off a bridge and.

[Unidentified Guest or Participant]

Yeah.

[Richard Stannings]

Pray to God if they get the weight just right, then you get to tip your forehead in the river. Down below. If they get the weight.

[Ed Gaudette]

Yeah.

[Richard Stannings]

If they don't have to make.

[Ed Gaudette]

You're drinking.

[Richard Stannings]

You're drinking.

[Unidentified Guest or Participant]

Yeah, yeah.

[Richard Stannings]

Or you're banging your head on the rocks at the bottom of the river, so.

[Ed Gaudette]

Well, that's great. You're on a desert island. You can bring five albums with you.

[Richard Stannings]

Oh, wow.

[Ed Gaudette]

What would you bring?

[Richard Stannings]

It definitely be some Zeppelin in there, I think. Yeah.

[Unidentified Guest or Participant]

Yeah.

[Richard Stannings]

Okay. Big Zeppelin fan.

[Ed Gaudette]

Me, too.

[Richard Stannings]

Some Floyd. Right?

[Ed Gaudette]

Okay. Yeah. Dark side or Wish you were here.

[Richard Stannings]

I think Animals is my favorite.

[Ed Gaudette]

Mine, too. I love Animals. That is the greatest thing I have.

[Richard Stannings]

I, I. When Animals came out. Yes. Remember, it was released in the winter and I.

[Ed Gaudette]

Yes.

[Richard Stannings]

I lived in a small town at the time, and I took the train into the city to go to the record store to get it. I think it was Virgin Records and Tapes at the time. Yeah. And I came back with this beautiful, you know, album cover.

[Unidentified Guest or Participant]

Yeah.

[Richard Stannings]

Of Animals. And I even bought a plastic cover for it to keep it protected.

[Ed Gaudette]

You still own it?

[Richard Stannings]

Well, I did. Sold all my albums when I. Oh, holy God. Overseas, unfortunately, no. But I still own a copy.

[Ed Gaudette]

It's so good, isn't it? It's my go to. I do, too.

[Richard Stannings]

But I listen to that thing in the snow. Whenever it's snowy outside. It's Animals is all.

[Ed Gaudette]

It's such a great. I think it's. It still holds up today. I think it's the greatest.

[Richard Stannings]

I think a lot of the Floyd stuff, particularly the latest stuff. Right. You know, the Wall is legendary.

[Unidentified Guest or Participant]

Yeah.

[Richard Stannings]

Legendary.

[Ed Gaudette]

Yeah. But Animals, though, especially. And a lot of people never. They won't say Animals. They'll say Dark side. Wish we're here. Yeah, that's great. What else would be on your pick?

[Richard Stannings]

I love Led Zeppelin. I probably take Presents. I think the Presence album.

[Ed Gaudette]

Okay. First of all. Did someone tell you?

[Richard Stannings]

No.

[Ed Gaudette]

So you picked my top two albums.

[Richard Stannings]

There we go.

[Ed Gaudette]

Animals and Prep.

[Richard Stannings]

I may invite you back again.

[Ed Gaudette]

No one says Presents.

[Richard Stannings]

No, no.

[Ed Gaudette]

That's like the most underrated album.

[Unidentified Guest or Participant]

Yeah.

[Ed Gaudette]

And I think it's probably some of his best work. Most complicated.

[Richard Stannings]

Oh, yeah. Yeah. The guitar changes in that album are phenomenal. Exactly.

[Ed Gaudette]

And there's like the most unique chord.

[Richard Stannings]

Yeah.

[Ed Gaudette]

Changes ever.

[Richard Stannings]

I think they were at their pinnacle. Right. I mean, Bonham was playing a different speed. Yes. The band.

[Unidentified Guest or Participant]

Yeah.

[Richard Stannings]

But it all fitted.

[Ed Gaudette]

It all fit in.

[Richard Stannings]

Just came together.

[Ed Gaudette]

Love that record.

[Richard Stannings]

Oh, my God. Okay.

[Ed Gaudette]

You got to keep going because, like, this is incredible.

[Richard Stannings]

Oh, my Lord. Just trying to think now you're a Doors fan. I listen to the Doors. I'M not a huge. Pulp. Pulp. No, not really. Okay. No.

[Ed Gaudette]

Any of the Joy Division.

[Richard Stannings]

I've seen Joy Division. Back in the.

[Ed Gaudette]

Back in the Manchester.

[Richard Stannings]

Yeah.

[Ed Gaudette]

Warehouse.

[Richard Stannings]

I don't forget where it was.

[Ed Gaudette]

Okay.

[Richard Stannings]

Yeah. Division.

[Ed Gaudette]

Oh, no, that's great. Happy Mondays.

[Richard Stannings]

Happy Mondays. Yeah, yeah, there's great. Great. Bad.

[Unidentified Guest or Participant]

Yeah.

[Richard Stannings]

From the early 90s. Yes.

[Ed Gaudette]

Happy Mondays, Manic Street.

[Richard Stannings]

Yep. No.

[Ed Gaudette]

All right, very good. If you were talking to someone coming out of school and they were asking you for advice about coming into healthcare, what would you say?

[Richard Stannings]

Don't do it. Really? Healthcare is a crazy place to be. Yeah, right. It's such a mess. There's so much churn. There's so many things changing. Right. Constantly. And the entire structural fabric of U. S. Healthcare, I think, faces some existential crisis in the very, very near future. Wow. The whole economic model is broken and continues to break. Doctors are leading the profession in droves. Physician suicides, particularly in Canada, are through the roof, as presented at a very number of physician conferences. We are not prepared for a disaster in any way, shape or form. And not just a pandemic like Covid, but some other kind of disaster that took out the power or the water, for example. Right. Or the breakdown of civil society. We don't have sufficient beds. We don't have any surplus capacity whatsoever. And our systems are held together with sticky tape. You know, many of our IT systems, I hate to say it, because, you know, I've worked in the healthcare space for a long time. You know, I've run it, I've run security, but it's glued together and it's underfunded. We have a fundamental gap between understanding or managing risk within a healthcare environment. Most CEOs of hospital systems will examine business risk and clinical risk. Right. They won't see the impact that cyber risk or IT resiliency, or lack thereof, actually places upon patient safety.

[Unidentified Guest or Participant]

Wow.

[Richard Stannings]

Which at the end of the day, is what hospitals are in or providers are in business to do.

[Ed Gaudette]

All right, well, let's wrap it up. I hear sheep playing the track sheep

[Richard Stannings]

playing right out of my head.

[Ed Gaudette]

Now,

[Richard Stannings]

I was going to quote some lyrics from it, but.

[Unidentified Guest or Participant]

Oh, there you go.

[Ed Gaudette]

From dogs or something.

[Unidentified Guest or Participant]

Yeah.

[Ed Gaudette]

Charade. Ed Gaudette from the Risk Never Sleeps podcast brought to you by Senseinet, the leader in risk management for healthcare. If you're on the front lines protecting patient safety or delivering patient care, remember to stay vigilant because risk never sleeps.

[Ed Gaudet]

Thanks for listening to Risk Never Sleep for the show, notes, resources and more information and how to transform the protection of patient safety. Visit [e-mail] that's C-E N S I N E T dot com. I'm your host, Ed Gaudet. And until next time, stay vigilant because risk never sleeps.