Episode #241. The Data Behind Every Heartbeat, with Dave Fox Principal Software Engineer at Medtronic

Summary

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Risk Never Sleeps Podcast – Episode #241

"The Data Behind Every Heartbeat" with Dave Fox, Principal Software Engineer at Medtronic
Host: Ed Gaudet
Recorded live at HIMSS, Las Vegas, June 30, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this lively and candid episode, Ed Gaudet sits down with Dave Fox, Principal Software Engineer at Medtronic, to explore the intersection of data, technology, and patient safety in healthcare. The conversation spans Dave’s journey from software startups to life-saving Medtronic projects, industry challenges in healthcare integration, and a spirited detour through horror film fandom, music, and personal life stories.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Dave Fox’s Career Path and Medtronic’s Mission

• Dave has been with Medtronic (and previously Covidien before the acquisition) for over 14 years.
• His initial project was VitalSync – a real-time remote patient monitoring system connecting multiple bedside devices to EMRs.
  • [01:24–02:51]
    • "I thought it sounded super interesting and helped build a product that does that exact same thing...a real time remote patient monitoring system." – Dave Fox (01:41)
• Transitioned over time to focus on “connectivity” (integration) and data capture from bedside devices, ensuring critical patient data flows seamlessly into EMRs and related systems.
  • [02:51–03:17]
  • “Hospitals are pretty happy with current HL7...they’ve been doing it for decades.” – Dave Fox (03:17)
• Strong belief in Medtronic’s mission to improve (and save) lives with technology.
  • [14:13–14:30]
  • "At the end of the day, we really are helping save people’s lives. Means something to me, and it makes it all worthwhile." – Dave Fox (14:30)

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2. The Data & Integration Challenge in Healthcare

• Deep dive on technical integration: the gap between industry’s push for FHIR versus real-world hospital satisfaction with HL7 protocols.
  • [02:54–03:17]
• Medtronic deals extensively with integrating medical device data with EMRs, Active Directory, and ADT systems.
• Dave highlights the reluctance of hospitals to change what works, suggesting technology adoption in healthcare is more evolutionary than revolutionary.

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3. Early Career Lessons: Startups, Market Fit, and Pivots

• Dave’s roots in Boulder’s ’90s software scene: working at Dataware, delivering manuals to techs via CD-ROMs.
  • [03:26–04:16]
• Tried building Palm Pilot gambling apps in early 2000s Las Vegas—discovered “market fit” the hard way.
  • [04:51–05:41]
  • “Turns out people don’t want to play blackjack at the pool.” – Dave Fox (05:34)
• Brief detours: co-owning a gym, working on a feature horror film (Lovely Molly).
  • [06:07–06:25]

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4. “Should I Have Been a Doctor?”: Tech Meets Healthcare

• Entering healthcare was a “Venn diagram of tech and medicine.”
  • [12:08–12:35]
  • “Once I got into medical...I maybe should have pursued medicine.” – Dave Fox (12:26)
• Dave’s advice to his younger self: consider med school, as “eight years goes by in a blink.”
  • [18:11–18:23]
  • “Honestly...I would say med school. Eight years goes by in a blink. Reconsider med school.” – Dave Fox (18:20)

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5. Tangents: Horror Films, Favorite Music, and Personal Fun Facts

Horror Movie Deep-Dive

• Animated exchange on classics:
  • Alien (“the very first one,” Dave’s favorite) [07:39–07:59]
  • The Omen, Rosemary’s Baby, The Exorcist, and Sixth Sense [09:44–11:14]
  • “Sixth Sense is a fantastic horror movie. The first time you see it.” – Dave Fox (10:01)
  • “The book is actually more frightening than the movie.” (re: The Exorcist) – Ed Gaudet (11:45)
• Sharp critic of plot consistency and genre rules.
  • [08:49–09:37]

On Horror Fandom and Industry Connections

• Dave worked on Lovely Molly with the creators of Blair Witch Project.
  • [15:29–15:54]
  • “The guys that made Lovely Molly were the guys who made ... Blair Witch.” – Dave Fox (15:49)

Music and Movies Desert Island Picks

• Musical favorites: Led Zeppelin, Carpenters, Black Sabbath, Allman Brothers, and connections to ’90s electronic (Ministry, Nine Inch Nails, Chemical Brothers).
  • [20:16–24:41]
• Top movies: Shaun of the Dead, Monty Python and the Holy Grail, Caddyshack, Jaws.
  • [22:01–23:11]
• First concerts: Ed’s was possibly Three Dog Night, Dave’s was Twisted Sister opening for Ronnie James Dio [26:41–27:26].

Memorable Quotes

• On professional burnout:
  • “Everyone kept going up in smoke and I got real burned out and I went and did some other stuff.” – Dave Fox (05:48)
• On helping family with tech:
  • “I’m help desk whenever I go home and visit. Absolutely.” – Dave Fox (15:06)

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6. Industry Reflections & Personal Connections

• Dave reflects that working in healthcare offers a unique clarity of purpose that’s hard to explain in other industries.
  • “Having done a lot of companies...in healthcare, you can connect the dots.” – Ed Gaudet (14:33)
• Comments on the realism and accuracy of medical TV shows (specifically “The Pit”).
  • “Doctors are like, this is the most realistic show about any art I’ve ever seen.” – Dave Fox (12:50)

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Notable Timestamps

• [01:24–02:51] – Dave’s role at Medtronic and the genesis of VitalSync.
• [02:54–03:17] – HL7 vs. FHIR: integration realities in healthcare IT.
• [04:51–05:41] – The poolside Blackjack experiment – and lessons on user behavior.
• [07:39–07:59] – Dave’s top horror film: Alien.
• [10:01] – “Sixth Sense is a fantastic horror movie. The first time you see it.” – Dave Fox
• [12:26–12:35] – Tech meets medicine: finding purpose in healthcare.
• [14:30] – “We really are helping save people’s lives. Means something to me…” – Dave Fox
• [18:20] – “Reconsider med school.” – Dave Fox
• [20:05–24:41] – Musical influences and guilty pleasures.
• [22:03] – Shaun of the Dead as the ultimate comedy-horror.
• [26:41–27:26] – First concert experiences.

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Memorable Moments & Quotes

• Plot Consistency in Horror:
  “Once the film establishes its rules...it has to then abide by them. And when you conveniently don’t abide by them or just like throw in additional random stuff, I start... You start losing me.” — Dave Fox (08:42–08:50)

• Healthcare Impact:
  “At the end of the day, we really are helping save people’s lives. Means something to me, and it makes it all worthwhile.” – Dave Fox (14:30)

• Early Tech Skepticism:
  “There was a big meeting...in probably ’98 or ’99 where one of the leaders said that’s never going to happen.” (on CD-ROM delivery) – Dave Fox (04:02)

• On Market Fit:
  “Turns out people don’t want to play blackjack at the pool.” – Dave Fox (05:34)

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Final Reflections

This episode blends deep insights into healthcare technology integration and the importance of purposeful work with engaging, sometimes humorous, personal anecdotes. Dave’s journey illuminates the concerted effort required to modernize healthcare systems, the value in aligning tech with patient safety, and the rich, eclectic experiences that make healthcare technologists human.

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Transcript

[Dave Fox]

Foreign.

[Ed Gaudette]

Welcome to Risk Never Sleeps, where we meet and get to know the people delivering patient care and protecting patient safety. I'm your host, Ed Gaudette.

Welcome to the Risk Never Sleeps podcast in which we learn about the people that are on the front lines protecting patient safety and delivering patient care. The the Risk Never Sleeps podcast is brought to you by Senseinet, the leader in risk management for healthcare. I'm Ed Gaudette, the host and today I am at hims live in Las Vegas 2026 with Dave Fox from Medtronic. Dave, welcome.

[Dave Fox]

Thank you very much.

[Ed Gaudette]

So I saw you last night, met you for the first time at dinner, which I did not stay at, but my brother did and he raved about you. I mean, you were so interesting you had to be on the show. So I'm.

[Dave Fox]

There was a lot of drinking last night too.

[Ed Gaudette]

So what's in that big glass that you have?

[Dave Fox]

Oh my gosh. Kahlua in that thing. I over ordered my coffee as well.

[Ed Gaudette]

Oh yeah, yeah, that's a nice. That's a. Is that like a Trenti?

[Dave Fox]

What is that? Trento?

[Ed Gaudette]

A Trento? Yeah, yeah. I drink a six shot Americano venti. How many shots in that thing?

[Dave Fox]

It's actually cold brew.

[Ed Gaudette]

Oh, it's cold brew. Okay. So it's a little sour water with some milk. Tell us about your current role, your organization, and a little bit about your background.

[Dave Fox]

So I am at Medtronic. I have been there for 14, 15 years.

[Ed Gaudette]

Wow.

[Dave Fox]

And in fact I was. Came in when we were actually still Covidian prior to Medtronic purchasing. Covidian. Right.

[Ed Gaudette]

How long were you at Covidian prior to that?

[Dave Fox]

So the whole 14th. And so back in 2011, was contacted by a guy who I had worked with in the Boulder, Colorado software startup scene a couple times and he said, hey, I'd like to go to lunch. Got an interesting project I think you might be interested in. And so we went to lunch and he pitched me on this idea of real time remote patient monitoring system to connect to bedside devices that Covidian owned. They were the manufacturer and I thought it sounded super interesting and helped build a product that does that exact same thing or does that thing VitalSync. And then a couple years ago transitioned into services for various reasons, but as part of that was also getting more involved in specifically integration. We call it connectivity, but for this purposes it's integration of our systems. Specifically the data that we're capturing off of these patient bedside devices going into the hospital emrs potentially then also integrating with Other like Active Directory systems or

[Ed Gaudette]

ADT systems, Fire based or.

[Dave Fox]

So to be very frank here, despite the fact that HIMS has been pushing FHIR and the industry specifically EMR vendors really want everybody to go to FHIR. My. From my perspective, Myperch hospitals are pretty happy with current HL7 is because they've been doing it for decades.

[Ed Gaudette]

Yeah, okay.

[Dave Fox]

Yeah. So that's where we're.

[Ed Gaudette]

What's your background? How did you get into that? Were you engineer by trade?

[Dave Fox]

So software. Yeah, software development.

[Ed Gaudette]

So what was the first company worked

[Dave Fox]

at the first like software company CD company in the 90s in Boulder called Dataware that put. They had like big corporate customers that wanted to put all their reference manuals as basically pre written stacks of CD ROMs and send it out to their technicians in the field. Yeah, you know Hitachi.

[Ed Gaudette]

Yeah, yeah. Storched I think I remember that company

[Dave Fox]

and I kid you not, there was a big meeting, big corporate company meeting probably 98, 99 where 1 of someone said one of the leaders said that's

[Ed Gaudette]

never going to happen.

[Dave Fox]

It was a fad. I had this fad. I had the same thing happen to me. It was a fad. Don't worry about it.

[Ed Gaudette]

Yeah, we should go deep with visual basics. Internet's never going to take off.

[Dave Fox]

Isn't that great? Needless to say, Data Ware's no around it.

[Ed Gaudette]

By the way.

I heard that with AI too.

[Dave Fox]

Yeah, we are. Yeah.

[Ed Gaudette]

Don't distract your engineers with AI. Like okay, so yeah.

[Dave Fox]

Oh my God.

[Ed Gaudette]

Yeah, that's great. So then you went to product management

[Dave Fox]

and well product developing the product and actually was. Since we're in Vegas in the early 2000s was working for a company that had some mobile software primarily used with what were the old. What was the most popular pocket.

[Ed Gaudette]

Oh, BlackBerry.

[Dave Fox]

BlackBerry, thank you. They had BlackBerry software and they through some connections and relationships or whatever the laws had just changed in Vegas where you did just have to have gambling or you could do gambling outside of the casino floor. And the pitch basically was they wanted to do blackjack at the pool. And so the blackjack. And so ultimately it was blackjack pre iPhone. This is pre iPhone. Yeah. And so it was Palm Pilot was actually specifically what we were targeting and so. Great. And actually built. Yeah. A gaming gambling platform that you could play blackjack at the pool. And it turns out people don't want to play blackjack at the pool.

[Ed Gaudette]

Right. That's why they're at the pool.

[Dave Fox]

That's why they're at the pool. Yeah.

[Ed Gaudette]

Otherwise they'd be at the blackjack. Because they're not that far from the

[Dave Fox]

pool actually, as it turns out.

[Ed Gaudette]

And a lot of these hotels have pools and tables. Yeah, well, yeah. So you learned your lesson about market fit.

[Dave Fox]

Absolutely. And just by that point I had been at a handful of companies that were all going to be home runs and we were all going to be rich and retired and everything and everyone kept going up in smoke and I got real burned out and I went and did some other stuff.

[Ed Gaudette]

What did you do?

[Dave Fox]

I co owned a gym. I worked on a horror feature film back in Maryland.

[Ed Gaudette]

What?

[Dave Fox]

That's hard.

[Ed Gaudette]

Did it ever get.

[Dave Fox]

It got released.

[Ed Gaudette]

It did, yeah.

[Dave Fox]

What's the name of it? It is called Lovely and I'm drawing a blank. It's not great. What did you.

[Ed Gaudette]

Justin, there's probably a cult classic somewhere.

[Dave Fox]

I. You know what? I am drawing a blank.

[Ed Gaudette]

What. What did you do? What did you do?

[Dave Fox]

On the low man? On the totem pole. I basically.

[Ed Gaudette]

You didn't do screenwriting or anything?

[Dave Fox]

No, I. I did. Basically the most interesting thing I could say is some assistant editing, but not on the film itself. Back then, this group was particularly interested in additional content outside of. In the realm in the universe of the movie, but producing additional content for online social media, etc etc and so. That's so cool.

[Ed Gaudette]

You like horror movies?

[Dave Fox]

I'm very picky.

[Ed Gaudette]

Okay, good.

[Dave Fox]

I'm very aficionado. So. Not. It depends. Long legs. Saw Long legs.

[Ed Gaudette]

Did you like it?

[Dave Fox]

I did. It's.

[Ed Gaudette]

I think it's one of the best horror form ever. Ever done.

[Dave Fox]

Okay.

[Ed Gaudette]

Yeah. From a cinematography perspective, it's.

[Dave Fox]

I'm a big fan. I really like classics.

[Ed Gaudette]

Black Phone.

[Dave Fox]

I. You know what?

[Ed Gaudette]

Black Phone, come on.

[Dave Fox]

I did not like Black Phone. I did not.

[Ed Gaudette]

Oh my God. Did you see black phone 2?

[Dave Fox]

Of course not. Oh, wow. I didn't like the first one. Maybe the second one's better. Okay.

[Ed Gaudette]

What's your favorite horror movie?

[Dave Fox]

The. Honestly, probably the first Alien.

[Ed Gaudette]

Really?

[Dave Fox]

Yeah. You consider that in the.

[Ed Gaudette]

Oh yeah, the category?

[Dave Fox]

Oh, it is for sure. The very first one. Interesting. And my uncle who took me to see that when I was 10 years old and it scared the. Yeah, and, but. And it holds up. Yeah, absolutely holds up.

[Ed Gaudette]

Alien or Alien?

[Dave Fox]

The first one.

[Ed Gaudette]

Alien. Yeah. 1970. How about aliens?

[Dave Fox]

So. So Aliens is not a horror. You know, it's not a horror film because it's now like an action thriller. It's also a really good movie. It's a good horror. It's a fantastic sequel.

[Ed Gaudette]

It's a great.

[Dave Fox]

Yeah, it's different genre, but that's example.

[Ed Gaudette]

Now, see, I think Black Phone 2 could actually fit into that category too.

[Dave Fox]

Really?

[Ed Gaudette]

It was good. I think it was good. I love black phone 1. You didn't like it, huh?

[Dave Fox]

You've never been in one basement.

[Ed Gaudette]

You've never been stuck in a basement like that as a kid?

[Dave Fox]

I haven't. So I. All right, so here we are. All right. I will make. It's going to get interesting. I will make the leap with. I'm a big fan of film.

[Ed Gaudette]

Yeah.

[Dave Fox]

And I will make that leap into the willing suspension's disbelief.

[Ed Gaudette]

Beautiful.

[Dave Fox]

But once I'm there, like, once the film establishes its rules and its universe, it has to then abide by them.

[Ed Gaudette]

Yeah.

[Dave Fox]

And when you conveniently don't abide by them or just like throw in additional random stuff, I start. You start losing what was random about black? So when I say random.

[Ed Gaudette]

So I follow you. But I have three screenplays in process.

[Dave Fox]

Okay. So the fact that we are asked to believe that this kid can talk to reasonably dead other kids on a phone.

[Ed Gaudette]

Yeah.

[Dave Fox]

Okay, that's pretty far out there. But I'll make that leap. Okay. That concession to see where this goes.

[Ed Gaudette]

Yeah.

[Dave Fox]

And then boom. But also, in that sort of crazy world, there's a sister has premonitions of things, etc.

[Ed Gaudette]

Like her mother.

[Dave Fox]

Well. And I'm like, hold on. What is this movie about? Like, there was too many. I can't make two leaves.

[Ed Gaudette]

Too much going on.

[Dave Fox]

I couldn't make two leaves.

[Ed Gaudette]

Yeah. Okay.

[Dave Fox]

See what I'm saying?

[Ed Gaudette]

I do see what you're saying. Yeah. Yeah. Like in Halloween, it's. It's pretty singular.

[Dave Fox]

Yes.

[Ed Gaudette]

Michael Myers coming after Jamie Lee Curtis.

[Dave Fox]

Since we're talking about the different movies and genres. Spoiler alert for anybody that has not seen Sixth Sense by now, but Sixth Sense, please, is a fantastic horror movie. The first time you see it.

[Ed Gaudette]

First time.

[Dave Fox]

First time.

[Ed Gaudette]

You can't watch it again, though.

[Dave Fox]

And it's a tragic love story. The second time you see it.

[Ed Gaudette]

Oh, I see. You just did that.

[Dave Fox]

It's a completely. You're so right.

[Ed Gaudette]

I actually watched it not too long ago.

[Dave Fox]

I.

[Ed Gaudette]

First time I watched it, I think I was on a plane. And it totally took me by surprise, obviously, as it does everybody. You and M. Night Shyamalan, Ding Dong fan.

[Dave Fox]

Very hiddenness. Very hidden.

[Ed Gaudette]

Favorite movie by him.

[Dave Fox]

Six sets.

[Ed Gaudette]

Oh, okay.

[Dave Fox]

And then I think they went downhill, really. Since then, Lady.

[Ed Gaudette]

The lady in the.

[Dave Fox]

You know what? I never saw the lady in the Lake.

[Ed Gaudette]

Yeah. That's actually there's a book about that. It's fascinating about the making of that movie.

[Dave Fox]

Okay.

[Ed Gaudette]

If you like films like making a. I would definitely read it. I get a better appreciation for him. The Village. Is that the other one he get?

[Dave Fox]

He also. Did you like that one? Some other stuff, now that you say it. I also did not see the Village. I saw the UFO one. Oh, I like that. Yeah. Like, there was a couple that, like.

[Ed Gaudette]

Yeah.

[Dave Fox]

I wasn't into, and then I was like, I. I mostly tapped out.

[Ed Gaudette]

It's interesting you mentioned the dimension of one plus two plus one. And I think he does that often in his movies. And I think that's where he loses people. He tries to make them.

[Dave Fox]

He tries to do too much.

[Ed Gaudette]

And then six Sense. He didn't actually.

[Dave Fox]

Yeah.

[Ed Gaudette]

Yeah. That's a really.

[Dave Fox]

And since we're. I mean, a recent. I. I really like the classics. Yeah. Like, Omen totally holds up.

[Ed Gaudette]

You know what else holds up? You know what else holds up?

[Dave Fox]

We should see Rosemary's Baby.

[Ed Gaudette]

Yes.

That's exactly the one.

[Dave Fox]

I was.

[Ed Gaudette]

I just saw that for the first

[Dave Fox]

time in 40 years. Nuts, dude.

[Ed Gaudette]

It is the craziest nuts.

[Dave Fox]

I'm like, what?

[Ed Gaudette]

No wonder why I've never watched this again. Exorcist1.

[Dave Fox]

Also, very good book. Very good book. Really? I didn't.

[Ed Gaudette]

Oh, the bed. The book is actually more frightening than the movie.

[Dave Fox]

It's slow, but it's a. It's a slow burn, but it is. It stays on.

[Ed Gaudette]

It's so good. It's so good. Yeah. Oh, this is. I've never talked about horror movies. Good. I forget where I am in the questions.

[Dave Fox]

Well, so I'll just circle us back. So I had gone. I was off doing other things. Yes. Okay.

[Ed Gaudette]

Right, right.

[Dave Fox]

I was off to.

[Ed Gaudette]

All right, so over the next couple years, what are your key initiatives?

[Dave Fox]

Well. And so coming. So when that guy called me for lunch. Yeah. And said, hey, I got this thing. Why not? Once I got into medical, and it was a sort of an unrealized interest of mine from years back, I maybe should have pursued medicine. And so it is Dr. Fox. And so there's now been this sort of marriage, this Venn diagram of, like, tech and healthcare. Medical stuff.

[Ed Gaudette]

Yeah.

[Dave Fox]

And I am. I would say, I found my home.

[Ed Gaudette]

And you must be watching the Pit, too.

[Dave Fox]

Oh, Pit is fantastic.

[Ed Gaudette]

I have not seen it yet, but everyone's talking about it.

[Dave Fox]

It's so good. I gotta see it first season. Not a whole lot of people had watched it.

[Ed Gaudette]

Yeah.

[Dave Fox]

And I, like, I would be out talking with Customers. I was like, have you seen the pit yet? A lot of people had not seen it, but medical folks, as you probably have heard, like, doctors are like, this is the most realistic show about any art I've ever seen. Yeah, it's really good. I highly recommend it.

[Ed Gaudette]

So what are you focusing on now?

[Dave Fox]

1. Let me just say one word because you seem to appreciate. I love that you keep my one.

[Ed Gaudette]

I. Dude, I ride the tangents.

[Dave Fox]

My. My. Probably only complaint with the pit, there's. If Pittsburgh people have. There's a distinct accent. Oh, yeah. Nobody in the pit has that.

[Ed Gaudette]

Yeah.

[Dave Fox]

It's like. It'd be like having a procedural in Boston and have nobody have a Boston accent.

[Ed Gaudette]

No one does a good Boston accent. Pisses my wife off, too, because she's from Boston. Her parents are from Southy. My do. One of my daughters has this unbelievable, thick, almost cartoonish, like, Boston accent.

[Dave Fox]

Yeah.

[Ed Gaudette]

So if she hears them, she does not, like, Ted the little bear doesn't do a good Boston accent.

[Dave Fox]

Yeah. So having a. Something set in downtown Pittsburgh with.

[Ed Gaudette]

That's a hard accent to do. It's not.

[Dave Fox]

I can't. I can't really do it, but it's not that hard.

[Ed Gaudette]

You ever see the Deer Hunter?

[Dave Fox]

Yeah.

[Ed Gaudette]

Is that Pittsburgh?

[Dave Fox]

Yeah. That's a great Western pa.

[Ed Gaudette]

But Western pa, That's such a great movie, isn't it? Christopher Walken, Huh?

[Dave Fox]

Heavy Duty. It is Heavy Duty. Yes.

[Ed Gaudette]

All right.

[Dave Fox]

Anyway, so medical.

[Ed Gaudette]

Yeah.

[Dave Fox]

I found my home. Cool. And really, I believe. In fact, I think I may have been talking about this last night. I believe in the mission.

[Ed Gaudette]

Yeah.

[Dave Fox]

With Medtronic and really the fact that at the end of the day, we really are helping save people's lives.

[Ed Gaudette]

Yeah, you are.

[Dave Fox]

Means something to me, and it makes it all worthwhile.

[Ed Gaudette]

Yeah. And it's interesting. Like, having done a lot of companies in my past and probably your past, it's been really hard to explain to family members what you do, but in healthcare, you can connect the dots, right?

[Dave Fox]

Yes. It is a little easier. It's all four. You're right. You're absolutely right. My. My parents had no idea.

[Ed Gaudette]

No idea. Yeah. It's like dogs. And then you get the call from the local priest. Right. They have. They just put a computer in. Can you go help them out? I'm not a help desk. That's not what I do.

[Dave Fox]

It's like I. I'm. I'm. I'm help desk whenever I go home and visit. Absolutely.

[Ed Gaudette]

I just love watching older people use. Not that I'm young, but I Try trying to set up the phone or

[Dave Fox]

trying to say be careful. Cars are headed the same direction. Their avatar in cars are headed the same direction. You to get into a neighbor's car or your kids cars and you're not going to know how to drive it.

[Ed Gaudette]

Yeah. Fun fact about you that nobody knows.

[Dave Fox]

I worked on Lovely Molly. It just popped into my head. Lovely, Lovely Molly. Molly. That was. And why it is actually extra interesting is the guys that made Lovely Molly were the guys who made. Now I know. Wow. I am really drawing a blank. There was maybe too many drinks last night.

[Ed Gaudette]

Yeah.

[Dave Fox]

Most famous found footage horror film.

[Ed Gaudette]

Blair Witch.

[Dave Fox]

Blair Witch. Here's the Blair Witch guys.

[Ed Gaudette]

We are.

[Dave Fox]

We are.

[Ed Gaudette]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They. Oh, really?

[Dave Fox]

And so I know those guys now. Yeah. And so that's cool. They were making Lovely Molly.

[Ed Gaudette]

I gotta check out Lovely Mop. Yeah. No, I love bad movies like that. Okay.

[Dave Fox]

It's. There are. There's things about it that are.

[Ed Gaudette]

What's the one?

[Dave Fox]

Evil Dead.

[Ed Gaudette]

The Evil Dead with the thing comes out of the graph.

[Dave Fox]

The floor. Well, Evil Dead 2. Two is the. Is it the one when they come out of the. Out of the flow Fuel. That is great. Right? It's right.

[Ed Gaudette]

Hills have Eyes. Original.

[Dave Fox]

Haven't seen it. Oh, haven't seen it. I know. I. Whoa. I need. There's. I need to see that. I need to see Children on the Corn. I haven't seen Children on the corn.

[Ed Gaudette]

Texas Chainsaw.

[Dave Fox]

I saw the original Texas Chainsaw. So good. Yeah.

[Ed Gaudette]

You ever see the movie? All right, I'm going to try to stump you here. It's a movie about worms coming out of shower heads. Squirm. Did you ever see the movie Squirm?

[Dave Fox]

No.

[Ed Gaudette]

He needed.

[Dave Fox]

All right. Have you seen Basket Case?

[Ed Gaudette]

He has. I haven't no. Basket Case.

[Dave Fox]

What was that about? It is so ridiculous. I loved it in high school where a kid has his. It's basically like a tumor that's all his sort of living twin, but it's attached to his body.

[Ed Gaudette]

I know the movie.

[Dave Fox]

Family has this. Has it like, you know, an alley sort of surgery of like get it removed, except it stays alive. Yeah. And he and the kid then go around killing everybody that was involved in the surgery.

[Ed Gaudette]

In fact, I do know that movie.

[Dave Fox]

And sit in a basket.

[Ed Gaudette]

And you know what it reminds me of? What movie does it remind you of? Oh, come on.

[Dave Fox]

Black Phone two.

[Ed Gaudette]

No, it's alive. Did you ever see that movie with the kid?

[Dave Fox]

Yes. Yeah.

[Ed Gaudette]

That's a frightening movie, huh?

[Dave Fox]

Yeah.

[Ed Gaudette]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dave Fox]

You're not wrong. Wow.

[Ed Gaudette]

I just pulled that one fifth grade. But so.

[Dave Fox]

Yeah. So that's a fun fact. Is that I worked. Okay. And then we get to Blair.

[Ed Gaudette]

David does worked on a Molly from.

[Dave Fox]

Whoa. Okay.

[Ed Gaudette]

I'm just kidding. All right. Go back in time and see your 20 year old self. What would you tell him? Anyone call you Foxy or anything?

[Dave Fox]

Well, you got a nickel in all that?

[Ed Gaudette]

Oh yeah.

[Dave Fox]

Because there's too many Daves.

[Ed Gaudette]

Yeah. And related to Megan Fox the other. No. Okay. Too many days.

[Dave Fox]

There's in school. There's always like two or three days in.

[Ed Gaudette]

Yeah, of course.

[Dave Fox]

Class.

[Ed Gaudette]

Yeah.

[Dave Fox]

And so teacher has to distinguish. And so.

[Ed Gaudette]

Yeah.

[Dave Fox]

We always nicknames too. Absolutely. 20 year old self. Honestly at this I would say med school. Eight years goes by in a blink. Reconsider med school.

[Ed Gaudette]

Wow. Why not now? Eight years go by in a blink. You're not that old.

[Dave Fox]

Eight years go by in a blink. And that's why I'm not considering med school. Yeah, that's exactly why.

[Ed Gaudette]

Same.

[Dave Fox]

Same other side of the coin. I love it.

[Ed Gaudette]

If you weren't doing this job and you could do anything, what would you do?

[Dave Fox]

I'm a little too old for it now. If you give me the you can

[Ed Gaudette]

do anything, unlimited money. Blah blah, blah.

[Dave Fox]

Snowboard, hela. Ski. Hella snowboard, guide. Hella snowboard. First time for the show skiing. But snowboarding I get really.

[Ed Gaudette]

So you've snowboarded before? Yeah. Yeah. That's hard.

[Dave Fox]

I picked that up back when like it was still like skiers versus snowboarders.

[Ed Gaudette]

Did you ever ski Utah?

[Dave Fox]

Yeah. Snowbird Canyons. Yeah, I think I did go.

[Ed Gaudette]

But not Alto.

[Dave Fox]

Not Alto because you can't be used. That's right. Yeah. There was still. There were places in Colorado back then that Keystone.

[Ed Gaudette]

You kill it for us skiers. I know. All the powder's gone.

[Dave Fox]

Well, that's what they claim. That's bad snowboarding. That's doing that. You're scraping the snow off.

[Ed Gaudette]

Yeah.

[Dave Fox]

Yeah. But I would board with skiers.

[Ed Gaudette]

Oh, you would?

[Dave Fox]

So like.

[Ed Gaudette]

Yeah.

[Dave Fox]

Moguls and everything. I basically boarded like a skier.

[Ed Gaudette]

Really?

[Dave Fox]

Yeah. So still do it? I do not as much. Yeah.

[Ed Gaudette]

Yeah.

[Dave Fox]

I get in with my age and having done it all. I haven't done it as long as I have. I get very picky about conditions.

[Ed Gaudette]

Yeah.

[Dave Fox]

Like if there's not at least like six or seven inches. Like I'm.

[Ed Gaudette]

I don't want ice. No ice.

[Dave Fox]

Well, no. No ice or stone or.

[Ed Gaudette]

Well, East Coast.

[Dave Fox]

Yeah. Ice. When I moved to Colorado, I been like, no Ice.

[Ed Gaudette]

There's no ice.

[Dave Fox]

Yeah.

[Ed Gaudette]

Okay. Desert Island. Five records. What would they be? We talked movies. So I'm not going to give you a movie one.

[Dave Fox]

I am not going to be able to do that. All right.

[Ed Gaudette]

Just give me the music. You must listen to music.

[Dave Fox]

I do. I do records.

[Ed Gaudette]

No, don't forget record. Forget about the records. Everyone gets hung up on the record thing. Just tell me what bands you.

[Dave Fox]

I mean. Okay, let's go. I would have to have something from Zeppelin.

[Ed Gaudette]

Oh, yeah, which one? Good.

[Dave Fox]

Mob. Zeppelin.

[Ed Gaudette]

Warren.

[Dave Fox]

But.

[Ed Gaudette]

Okay, good.

[Dave Fox]

Zeppelin soon. Good. I would. And we'll just make this interesting. I might have something from the Carpenters.

[Ed Gaudette]

Phenomenal drummer. Not many people know that about her. I love that song, Superstar. Do you know that song?

[Dave Fox]

I'm sure I do.

[Ed Gaudette]

And Sonic Youth covered it.

[Dave Fox]

Not a big fan of Sonic Youth. Yeah, sorry, not a big fan of Sonic Youth. You would like the COVID of Superstar? Is it a straight cover?

[Ed Gaudette]

Oh, what's a straight cover? No, I mean.

[Dave Fox]

Okay, so it's a Sonic Youth version. Yeah, a straight cover. Folk faith. No more covering. Easy like Sunday Morning.

[Ed Gaudette]

Great cover. Yes.

[Dave Fox]

I mean it is straight cover. It's amazing.

[Ed Gaudette]

Commodores.

Yeah.

Yeah.

[Dave Fox]

So that's what?

[Ed Gaudette]

That's good. Okay, that's three.

[Dave Fox]

Two. That's two. I am struggling.

[Ed Gaudette]

No, three. You get Zeppelin, Carpenters, Sabbath. Which one sold our souls to rock and roll? Which is the greatest hits?

[Dave Fox]

Probably. Yeah.

[Ed Gaudette]

Or the first album, Black Sabbath.

[Dave Fox]

Yeah, both of those. One of those.

[Ed Gaudette]

Okay.

[Dave Fox]

One of those.

[Ed Gaudette]

Yeah. God rest ay soul. No Dead Not.

[Dave Fox]

I'm not in Colorado.

[Ed Gaudette]

No Dead. No. What is wrong? Who are you?

[Dave Fox]

I know.

[Ed Gaudette]

Fish.

[Dave Fox]

Get it. I get it.

[Ed Gaudette]

No, no. Fish not okay.

[Dave Fox]

All my brothers now we're Eat a

[Ed Gaudette]

peach live at Fillmore. 38 special. He threw out 38 special.

[Dave Fox]

Okay.

[Ed Gaudette]

I mean, all right.

[Dave Fox]

Solid. Okay.

[Ed Gaudette]

I want to hear your top five movies. Top five movies on an island. Because I want to hear if they're all horror or a mix. No. I don't know. What did you drink during absinthe last night? You had a really got Paris bistro or something? It's that warm.

[Dave Fox]

You're have to help me out.

[Ed Gaudette]

Okay.

[Dave Fox]

British zombie send up. It's a satire, but also a brilliant Shaun of the Dead. Thank you.

[Ed Gaudette]

Yeah.

[Dave Fox]

Shaun of the Dead. Shaun of the Dead is.

[Ed Gaudette]

It's a great movie.

[Dave Fox]

It's a great movie, Sean, because it's. It's a comedy. Horror. Fantastics. Satire. Yes. And also a legitimate contender for the genre.

[Ed Gaudette]

Agree.

[Dave Fox]

That would be up there.

[Ed Gaudette]

Especially that supermarket scene.

[Dave Fox]

Whole Yep. Monty Python. Holy Grail.

[Ed Gaudette]

Nice. Holy Grail.

[Dave Fox]

I saw it recently. I haven't seen it forever because I've seen it a million times.

[Ed Gaudette]

Yes.

[Dave Fox]

That every. You. There's like. He's got a quotable scenes from movies. Every scene. Maximus. Literally every scene in that movie is classic. It's. Oh, Oh.

[Ed Gaudette]

I think I just did Life of Brian. Holy Grail. Yeah. What is your favorite color?

[Dave Fox]

Yeah, that's. What did you do from Life o'? Brien? Oh, I did.

[Ed Gaudette]

He's got a brother. Gluteus Maximus.

[Dave Fox]

That is. That's Life of Brian. That's so good. It's solid. Yeah. So, yeah. Movie.

[Ed Gaudette]

No Star Wars. No. Jaws.

[Dave Fox]

You gotta. I mean, Josh, such a great movie. Jaws is such a great movie. You gotta. It's. You gotta have something that. Like Caddyshack.

[Ed Gaudette]

Okay.

[Dave Fox]

Caddyshack goes back to my youth. Danny Newman to an. Toll holds up.

[Ed Gaudette]

Michael o'.

[Dave Fox]

Keefe. Really?

[Ed Gaudette]

Yeah. We're connected with him on Facebook. We were doing our screenplays, so we got connected.

[Dave Fox]

All these nice. All these. Okay.

[Ed Gaudette]

I wouldn't say he's a B rated star. Oh.

[Dave Fox]

Jumping around.

[Ed Gaudette]

Yep.

[Dave Fox]

For time.

[Ed Gaudette]

Yeah. We.

[Dave Fox]

I'm gonna put in a plug that if you. Especially since you're talking about dead and fish and all that. Have you ever.

[Ed Gaudette]

Cam.

[Dave Fox]

Have you ever seen a show at Red Rocks?

[Ed Gaudette]

Yeah.

[Dave Fox]

You have?

[Ed Gaudette]

Yeah.

[Dave Fox]

Okay. Because if you haven't, definitely do it. That is a, like, I won bucket list.

[Ed Gaudette]

I won tickets for Bobby Weir.

[Dave Fox]

Okay.

[Ed Gaudette]

And the Wolf Brothers. And my daughter was out there and she went, yeah. And she loved it. She had a great time.

Yeah.

[Dave Fox]

But did you go? Yeah. Okay.

[Ed Gaudette]

Not to that show.

[Dave Fox]

Okay. Yeah. And why it's so good. As you probably know, acoustics are. Well, the acoustics are really good. But why I like going is the bands love playing there.

[Ed Gaudette]

Yeah.

[Dave Fox]

It's a big deal for them. It's not just, hello, Cleveland, you're a

[Ed Gaudette]

Big Head Todd fan. Big Head Todd's played there.

[Dave Fox]

Big Head Todd has played there.

[Ed Gaudette]

Yeah.

[Dave Fox]

Yeah.

[Ed Gaudette]

Wilco. You like Wilco?

[Dave Fox]

More so. Yeah, more so. But I also. So this is where my guilty pleasure, music wise and why I was struggling with. With albums is I got really big into electronic music in the 90s. Right. In the 90s. And so, like Soap.

[Ed Gaudette]

Like Pulp. Do you know Pulp? The band? Common People?

[Dave Fox]

Ministry. I was a Ministry. Ministry.

[Ed Gaudette]

Okay.

[Dave Fox]

Yeah. So I was. I was in like the industrial stuff and then that turned into Nine Inch Nails.

[Ed Gaudette]

Like Nine Inch.

[Dave Fox]

Nine Inch Nails. That turned into techno and that turned into scratch acid and Then Scratch Acid Prodigy.

[Ed Gaudette]

Nobody knows Scratch Acid.

[Dave Fox]

Basement Jacks, Dust Brothers. Chemical Brothers.

[Ed Gaudette]

Chemical Brothers, yeah.

[Dave Fox]

Anyway, so that became EDM and stuff. And so that's my, like, guilty pleasure, is it? Continues to be.

[Ed Gaudette]

What's the Flamingo? Hot Lip. Not Hot Lips. I'm having a secret.

[Dave Fox]

You're having a. You're having. You're having a Dave Fox moment. I'm having a Dave Fox moment.

[Ed Gaudette]

It's. Is it the Flaming Lips? Is that a band?

[Dave Fox]

That is a band.

[Ed Gaudette]

That's who it is then. Flaming Lips.

Yeah.

[Dave Fox]

I would hear the flam. I have. I. That my bucket list. Like, live show. I've never seen them live.

[Ed Gaudette]

Like, modern day elo.

[Dave Fox]

I would have. I saw elo.

[Ed Gaudette]

Love elo.

[Dave Fox]

And I remember I was at Live Aid.

[Ed Gaudette]

Dude, you remember Live Aid. Speaking of. Not Philly, but Pittsburgh. Yeah, we were talking about Pittsburgh or Philly. Yeah, Yeah, I was there. Yeah. Yeah. I drove down from Connecticut. Drove down with a bunch of high school friends. We were in high school and first year, I think five. So we were in college. College.

[Dave Fox]

Yeah.

[Ed Gaudette]

And, yeah, we drove down, got there like four in the morning. I had the worst seats possible. There's one seat from the furthest seat from the stage, but we were there so early. We walked right down eight from the front. It was epic.

[Dave Fox]

It was.

[Ed Gaudette]

Yeah, it was amazing. Yeah.

[Dave Fox]

I just.

[Ed Gaudette]

I was in. I just got out of basic training too, so I was in this.

[Dave Fox]

Good for you.

[Ed Gaudette]

Different state of mind back then, but it was a great.

[Dave Fox]

It was a great show. That's awesome.

[Ed Gaudette]

And we went to see Zeppelin, and Zeppelin was awful. The sound was terrible.

[Dave Fox]

Okay.

[Ed Gaudette]

It was.

[Dave Fox]

So we're looking at each other like, yeah.

[Ed Gaudette]

What the hell is happening here? It's terrible. Yeah.

[Dave Fox]

All right. But there was so many other good.

[Ed Gaudette]

So many other.

[Dave Fox]

One of my favorite sort of icebreaker questions is when they do, like, what's your first concert?

[Ed Gaudette]

Oh, my first concert.

[Dave Fox]

So let's do a first concert.

[Ed Gaudette]

Ooh.

Damn.

It would have been with my parents at the Oakdale Theater in Wallingford. It might have been Three Dog Night or.

[Dave Fox]

Wow. Okay.

[Ed Gaudette]

Might have been Tom Jones.

[Dave Fox]

Yeah, that would be.

[Ed Gaudette]

Yeah, like that. I was young. Yeah.

[Dave Fox]

Okay.

[Ed Gaudette]

Yeah. I've been in the music since I was. Yeah.

[Dave Fox]

Okay.

[Ed Gaudette]

Yeah. My father was big jazz. Hundreds of jazz albums. My mother was eclectic in terms of music. My sister was older than us, so she was already into like all the

[Dave Fox]

really cool, cool outside.

[Ed Gaudette]

Big star. I don't know if you know that band.

[Dave Fox]

I don't.

[Ed Gaudette]

Anyway.

[Dave Fox]

Yeah, I gotta put mine out first. Yeah, put yours up, Twisted Sister opening for Ronnie James Dio in Pittsburgh at the.

[Ed Gaudette]

Oh, man, that's good. Well, that's a good way to end the podcast. We went long, but it was interesting. Ed Gaudette from the Wrist Never Sleeps podcast. If you're on the front line protecting patient safety and delivering patient care, remember to stay vigilant because risk never sleeps.

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