"Look, these group of people they go out and camp and then they go running."

Helen Payne is a distance runner, Trail Work Ambassador, and student who lives in Santa Barbara. In this episode, Luis is joined by Jon Zaid as a co-host and they chat with Helen about studying plant ecology, plants and relationship to fire, Runners For Public Lands, 9 Trails, where she loves to run, how she got involved with Runners For Public Lands, her running history, the Mammoth 200, High Lonesome 100, and what she has coming up next.

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