Cassidy | ROC Solid w/ Memphis Bleek

Summary

ROC Solid w/ Memphis Bleek – Episode Overview

Episode: Cassidy | ROC Solid w/ Memphis Bleek

Release Date: February 17, 2026
Podcast: ROC Solid (The Black Effect Podcast Network & iHeartPodcasts)
Host: Memphis Bleek
Guest: Cassidy

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Main Theme

This episode delivers an energetic, personal conversation between Memphis Bleek and Philly hip-hop icon Cassidy, diving into battle rap culture, the origins of punchline rap, legendary studio stories, navigating industry pressures, the evolution of Philly hip-hop, personal growth, and how to stay relevant—and true—in rap and life. It’s packed with untold anecdotes, mutual respect, and genuineness reflecting decades in the game.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Cassidy’s Return to Battle Rap & Motivation (03:57 – 08:52)

• Cassidy opens up about his renewed passion for battle rap, despite already achieving mainstream success.
  • "I rap to be the best. So when a try to discredit me, I want to prove them wrong. I want to show you that I could still get busy." (Cassidy, 05:38)
• The competitive edge and disrespect in battle rap keeps him “active.”
• Industry insiders and fans often root for underdogs in battle rap. Cassidy embraces the challenge of entering a new era, impressing not just crowds but himself with his longevity.

"Battle rap...being competitive, disrespecting niggas is fun, man." (Cassidy, 04:12)

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Origins of Cassidy’s Pen Game & Early Philadelphia Radio (25:24 – 34:15)

• Cassidy details the moment in 4th grade when he realized rap was his calling, after writing his first rap for a school project.
  • "Ever since then, I always wanted to rap and be the best." (Cassidy, 27:16)
• Talks about his time on "The Cipher" at Philly’s 103.9 radio, where he emerged as a battle champ and local star.
• Mentorship from Delphonics’ William Hart exposed him early to the business side, including publishing rights and how writers could get exploited.
• His constant studying of lyricists—from Grandmaster Caz to Rakim—inspired his punch-heavy, sophisticated approach.

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Iconic Roc-A-Fella & Rough Riders Stories: The Freeway Battle (08:52 – 21:47)

• Breakdown of how the industry-shaping Cassidy vs. Freeway battle unwound after a chance encounter at a Mary J. Blige session.
• Jay-Z’s classic instigation: sizing up Cassidy, joking about battling his young artists, then dialing up the Philly squad for an impromptu showdown.
• Beans, Young Chris, and Freeway all in attendance.
  • “He like, you really think you could [mess] with Beanie? Like, really? ... So I’m like, you can call whoever bro.” (Cassidy, 15:28)
• After the battle’s intensity, relationships remained intact and respectful.
  • "Every time I see Free ... he be like, 'Yo, till this day, they still bring up that.' Yeah, man." (Cassidy, 21:32)

Notable Quote:
“They never took it personal…he just felt like, damn, I felt like I could have, you know what I mean, brought my A game a little bit more.” (Memphis Bleek, 21:15)

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The Art & Science of Punchline Rap (34:48 – 42:24)

• Memphis Bleek credits Cassidy (with Fred the Godson) for evolving and popularizing the punchline-heavy style.
• Cassidy discusses breaking down what makes certain flows “special,” mixing street sensibility with intricate wordplay, and mastering back-to-back punchlines.
  • “Instead of doing it once a verse or every once in a while, imagine if you just did it back, back to back...That's how I developed that style.” (Cassidy, 41:00)

Memorable Quote:
“If there’s no Cassidy, there’s no Fred the Godson for sure.” (Memphis Bleek, 42:04)

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The Unlikely Paths: Chasing Dreams & Big Breaks (Shaheim, RZA, and More) (46:35 – 57:40)

• Cassidy tells tales of pre-fame hustle—nearly connecting with Shaheim and the Wu-Tang Clan (and getting stranded in Staten Island).
• Details an embarrassing but humanizing moment: falling asleep in the studio while RZA played him beats.
• Affirms respect for all the big names, grateful for any inspiration—even if doors didn’t always open right away.

Notable Quotes:
“I was just high and tired ... I probably ruined my opportunity. But I don’t want him to think like I don’t [mess] with him.” (Cassidy, 57:40)

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On Relationships, Marriage, and Real-Life Wisdom (60:35 – 66:52)

• Both men reflect candidly about long-term relationships, marriage, and how age and experience change your perspective.
• Advice for young men: be honest and clear about intentions.
• Bleek admits to youthful foul play—leading women on—and how fatherhood/husband life transformed his outlook.
  • "Don't play in these women face, man. Cuz I did. I was foul." (Memphis Bleek, 64:18)
• Cassidy stresses that not everyone is meant for lasting relationships, but knowing what you want—and when—is key.

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Hip-Hop Business Realities: Producers, Labels, and Industry Boxes (72:01 – 82:48)

• Cassidy addresses being boxed in as a “battle rapper” vs. a pop artist, and his struggle with label execs over the content of his albums (Hotel vs. I’m a Hustler).
  • “...the world think I’m like a hotel rapper...They don’t know that I get busy and I got bars and I’m lyrical and I’m from the streets.” (Cassidy, 72:58)
• Comparison between being signed to a rapper versus a producer (Swizz Beatz), and the tradeoffs regarding creative control and single selection.

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Cassidy’s Influence & the Philly Rap Legacy (83:09 – 97:59)

• Reflection on how much Cassidy influenced the battle rap ecosystem, punchline rap, and even the new “drill” wave in Philly and beyond.

• Notes seminal importance of the Freeway battle as a precursor to organized battle rap leagues (URL, RBE, etc).

• Breaks down the long tradition of Philly legends (State Property, Major Figgas, Ram Squad, etc), giving names and stories their due.

• Cassidy places himself top-tier (“Mount Rushmore”) for bars, humbly placing Black Thought as another Philly lyrical icon.

  • "If you talking about bars, number one. Ooh, yeah." (Cassidy, 94:15)
  • "If we just talking rap, I’m definitely Mount Rushmore." (Cassidy, 94:54)

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On Ghostwriting, Authentic Voice, and Artistic Rules (89:21 – 91:31)

• Cassidy lays down the boundary: battle rap/true lyricist status can’t be compared to artists who rely on ghostwriting.
  • "You can never be in the same category as dudes like me...If you got ghost writers and you got assistance and you got help. There’s no way to compare us." (Cassidy, 89:39)
• Acknowledge ghostwriting’s long-standing place in hip-hop business—but draws a clear line between categories of artistry.

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Final Reflections: Survival, Legacy & Advice (98:13 – 103:03)

• Cassidy talks about battling through tough times—label politics, incarceration, a near-fatal accident where doctors thought he’d never rap again.
  • "When the doctors told me when I got in that nearly fatal accident ... my brain was so badly damaged, I was never going to be able to rap again. And now I feel like I’m the best right now." (Cassidy, 68:30)
• Both agree that bars are “back”—and credit the importance of constant work, self-belief, and perseverance.
• Advice from LL Cool J that stuck with Cassidy:
  • “Stay off them hard drugs, bro....You start using them hard drugs, them shits gonna make you look old ... If you stay out the hard drugs and you stay in shape, ladies gonna love you forever, bro.” (Cassidy via LL, 101:53)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Cassidy on battling Jay-Z’s squad and holding his ground as a young hungry MC:
  “So I’m like, you can call whoever bro. Like, he don’t understand who I am, though. He never met me, though. He don’t know ... how I get busy.” (15:47)

• On innovating the punchline flow:
  “What if you mix that together with the street ... and the best part of what I like is the punch. So ... imagine if you just did it back, back to back.” (40:59)

• On hip-hop legacy and Philly’s bar-for-bar lineage:
  “If we just talking rap, I’m definitely Mount Rushmore.” (94:54)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Cassidy on battle rap, disrespect and hunger: 04:12 – 08:52
• The origin of punchline rap and early influences: 34:48 – 42:24
• Untold Freeway battle/meeting Jay-Z & State Property: 08:52 – 21:47
• Industry pressures: producer vs rapper labels: 80:14 – 82:48
• Philly legacy/where Cassidy stands: 92:11 – 97:59
• On ghostwriting: 89:21 – 91:31
• Personal growth, marriage, and honest advice: 60:35 – 66:52
• Survival stories, perseverance, and legacy: 98:13 – 103:03

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Summary Tone

The tone is real, unfiltered, and heavy on respect for the craft, the hustle, and those who came before—and after. Cassidy and Bleek trade stories, wisdom, and candid laughter, putting on a clinic in hip-hop history, self-motivation, loyalty to your roots, and always keeping it “ROC solid.”

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End of Summary

Transcript

[Narrator/Host]

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[Cassidy]

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[Narrator/Host]

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[Cassidy]

Segregation in the day, integration at night. It was like stepping in another world.

[Narrator/Host]

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[Memphis Bleak]

Charlie was an example of power.

[Cassidy]

They had to crush him.

[Narrator/Host]

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[Cassidy]

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[Memphis Bleak]

What up, y'?

[Cassidy]

All?

[Memphis Bleak]

This your main man? Memphis Bleak right here. Welcome to Rock Solid, a production of iHeartRadio and the Black Effect Network in partnership with my guys over at Drink Champs.

[Cassidy]

You should know by now. You should know by now.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, y', all, you already know what it is. Yours truly, M. Greasy, back with another exclusive rock solid podcast. We back in the building, y'.

[Cassidy]

All.

[Memphis Bleak]

I got my brother to the left of me. You already know Cassidy the Monster, the hustler, everything Spitter come to that battle rapping. One of my on my team even got hit by the. By the Hustler, so gotta respect this hustle, you know? I mean, real want to welcome my guy to the building. Philly's own, one of the best spitters out of Philly. Cassidy. My God, man, welcome. Happy New Year, man. How you been, my G?

[Cassidy]

I'm happy to be here, man.

[Memphis Bleak]

You know what's up, man?

[Cassidy]

It's the hottest podcast on the streets right now, so appreciate you.

[Memphis Bleak]

You heard it from his mouth to God's ears, y' all heard it. Ain't me I be saying, but I don't. Yeah, I mean, he said it, not me.

[Cassidy]

Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yo, my G, I've been seeing you on the neck going crazy. The battle rap and how that been, man, like, last ended in the brawl. Yo, that be dying like, yo cast still out here ready to box these.

[Cassidy]

Yeah, that's my favorite part about this, man. Battle rap. Being competitive, disrespecting niggas is fun, man.

[Memphis Bleak]

No, y' all niggas be saying, yo, in that battle rap league, niggas be saying the most foulish shit you could think about, my g. Like, nah.

[Cassidy]

But I'mma tell you why I'm really back in that battle rap area. It's not like I have to be, like, I'm already solidified as an artist on the other side, so I don't really have to do that. But I've been rapping for so long at a high level. Like, even when I was a young boy, as a teenager, they was putting me on a high, high level, you know what I mean? I was battling at a rapid rate and just putting in so much work for so many years. And when you get in the business and you realize how the industry work, how niggas in the industry work, how the game go, like, to keep the passion that you had when you was unfamiliar with all of that. That's right. Like when you just love hip hop and you as a fan of other artists and you watching the videos, your. Your aspect of what the industry is, is completely different than when you really inside of it and you seeing what's going on. So for decade after decade, to keep the passion, to keep stepping it up and writing bars and saying the craziest shit is just super difficult. So that's why I wanted to get back in battle rap, because that's the area where people will talk a little crazy, will try to discredit you. They won't look at the catalog and what you accomplished. They'll just try to discredit you for today. And that's what I needed to get on my job, because I rap to be the best. So when a try to discredit me, I want to prove them wrong. I want to show you that I could still get busy.

[Memphis Bleak]

So you see, I said before off camera, my. I say, yo, you got pause. You got balls doing that. My. Because to be from the battle rapping side, then to come into the industry, platinum records, gold records, gold albums, all that type of stuff. And then to go back, it's like, you know, it's almost like they gonna look at you with the. He good already. He don't need this. So it's like, they gonna always root for the underdog, I feel like. And for you to still be like, I don't give a. Y' all gonna root for the underdog, but I'm gonna make sure y' all root for me when this is all over. Like, I respect that. And that, like, that takes real. Real gut and mental strength, bro.

[Cassidy]

Like, and that's why I appreciate them battle rappers for getting me active again, man. You know what I'm saying? Because now that I am back active, you know, the battle rap fans, however many it is, it could be like anywhere from 10,000 to 100,000. Like, loyal battle rap fans that watch all the blogs know, all of the battle rappers know what's going on is billions of fans of battle rap, period. Like, just people being competitive and battling and dissing each other. And I'm talking about this new form of battle rap, these new leagues they started. It could be like 10 to 100,000 fans altogether. So what they used to is something, is they own thing that they used to. So it's like, when I jump back in that bag, it's, like, difficult to please them because they already used to what they used to, but it just get me back active. So now everybody like, yo, on beat, nobody could fuck with Cass. And that's what I want. Like, that's what I really do. I'm a real artist. I really put in decades on beat. Like, while y' all was battling, I was working on beat. So that's what I really specialize in.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's right.

[Cassidy]

So that's what I want, and that's where I really get my money from. From dawn shows from the tree of. Of music that I got that's streaming from features from movies, sampling my, like, 1001. Tiana Teller, last movie just used the old record me and Raekwon did from my second album.

[Memphis Bleak]

Oh, wow.

[Cassidy]

You know what I'm saying?

[Memphis Bleak]

Shout out Tiana, too. She got that award too, man.

[Cassidy]

Shout out to Tiana. Yeah, she definitely super deserve it. She dope. And she got a new movie that's about to drop that's going to have another one of my songs on it. So, you know, I really get my real money from music.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's right.

[Cassidy]

You know what I'm saying? So that's what I want people to respect, to know that people can't mess with me on beat. But battle rap is what make me want to get back active and stay on my job.

[Memphis Bleak]

To hear him say that to me is, like, weird. Like, he like, yo, I get busy on beat. Cause my dog Freeway said, put that beat on N. Like, no, you in my round now. Niggas like, nope, you wasn't the artist then. You ain't need to beat then. How did that come about? I always wanted to know, like, what was your mindset on that day? Cause I know Swiss and HOV was talking shit to each other. And N went up there like, yo, we going to battle this new artist named Cass.

[Cassidy]

All of my raps go to beats, though. Like, I'm not one of them battle rappers. They be writing off beat. Like, they don't rap to no beats. So the timing be off, and it would never land on beat.

[Memphis Bleak]

I can't write a beat. I rap to no beat. I have to have a beat to rap.

[Cassidy]

Yeah. Like, so all of my raps at that time went to a beat. So I could have rapped to a beat with free. But it was just the energy. We was trying to create that no beat energy. And that's what led to all of these new battle leagues, starting with no beat. Yeah, that's the energy they felt with the no beat. So I guess it was like all the higher power, like, making it like that. You know what I'm saying? But that's how we used to get busy back then.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's how it was.

[Cassidy]

But most of the time to no beat. Cause there wasn't really beats available in the street when you see niggas and want to get busy, so. But the Freeway. You asked me about the Freeway shit, how that started. I'm in the studio with Swizz. He working on this Mary J. Blige song. They did it already. Hov rapped on it. So it's Jay Z rapping on it. Mary singing. Swizz did the beat, but they did it, like, a little minute ago. So they wanted to update the beat, add some little sounds. And I think when. When Hov did the verse, it might have been maybe. I don't know if it was years ago or however long it was, but maybe some of the clothing, like, he was talking about the clothing lines or something might have been a little dated. So he wanted to update the lyrics, too.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah.

[Cassidy]

So he was coming back to update the lyrics. Swizz was coming to update the beat. So I'm just with Swizz. We pull up to this Mary session, but Mary not there. It's just us. We. He just working on the beat. We in the stew.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah.

[Cassidy]

I'm like, man, let me just tell the driver to take me to McDonald's, because I'm getting a little hungry. He working on B. I'm going to McDonald's. So while the driver taking me to McDonald's, I turned on Hot 97. And that's when I had state property up there. And they going crazy, too. And it felt like they. Because I'm they. It felt like they talking to me like, they like, man, yo, chill, cuz, man. Like, they like, can't. None of these with us, man. None of these. Yo, when this the part that really me up, though, yo. I love this, yo. When Jay Z said he on the race, I got whatever he said. Yeah, I got whatever he said. A called up and said he want to bet. Guess how much he said he want to bet. They like, how much? He like a thousand dollars. I said, what? Yo, these is talking crazy on the rad to the world. I'm like, yo, I'm right here. I rap. So I with it, though, that it's Philly.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's why you felt that. They're like, these are Philly. They talking to me.

[Cassidy]

Yeah, crazy. I'm like, yo, they kind of talking to me, though, but they not. But I just.

[Memphis Bleak]

They definitely wasn't talking to you.

[Cassidy]

But when I. When I. When I come back from McDonald's or whatever, I go upstairs, I'm like, yo, Swiss man, I just was on the radio listening to these, bro. These is talking crazy, bro. They disrespecting the world. Talking crazy to everybody.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, no, he like, smoke.

[Cassidy]

He like, who? I'm like, man, state property, Jay Z, everybody, they all on there talking crazy. He like, all right, don't worry about that, hov. On his way to the studio anyway.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, he like.

[Cassidy]

He working on his record with me on his way anyway. So I'm like, oh, all right. So I'm like, I'm excited. Cause I'm a fan. So I'm like, I'm finally about to meet the mm. I've been listening to all these projects and albums. I'm finally about to meet the. Like, I'm excited. So I'm like, yo, that's what's up. So I'm just sitting on the couch chilling, thinking of like a little bars and shit chilling. Next thing you know, Jay Z walking the door. I'm like, oh, it's my first time seeing a meeting a nigga. I'm just. I mean, analyzing his demeanor. I'm just like, damn. I'm actually seeing this nigga that was rapping all this shit, right?

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah.

[Cassidy]

But it immediately go from me being a fan and respecting the TO at this time, I ain't even industry developed yet. I ain't like, I ain't. I'm not divided. I'm just new.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah.

[Cassidy]

So I'm straight from the street, so I'm kind of a little shot out at this time. So he like talking to Swiss. But when he introduced me, yo, this is. Swiss introduced me. Yo, this. This Cassidy, the hottest on the street. He. He next up. He him. He like, what? Him. He like, you ain't just hear my on the radio. I got the next. Who is he? This. So I'm like, that's when it switched from fan to like.

[Memphis Bleak]

It's Smoke talking about.

[Cassidy]

But I'm still like not saying nothing. Cause it's.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, is.

[Cassidy]

Is Jay Z. So I'm not saying that. And I'm just. I'm like, all right. He like, this him. So I'm sitting on the couch like how we're half is.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah. Yes.

[Cassidy]

He like, this right here is the next. Nah, out of here. You ain't next. He like, how old is you? You look youngest. He like, yo, you want me to put you against my 16 year old Chris? He like, I gotta. I got a young too. You want me to put you against him? But I'm still not saying that. He like, old enough for free.

[Memphis Bleak]

I know in his mind, he like, I know all these.

[Cassidy]

He like, you don't even look old enough for free. And I don't even want to bring up beans. He like, he talking crazy to me, but I'm still not saying nothing. Right? But this the icing on the cake. I told you. Sitting there like half the now he over here. He comes, sit next to me on the couch. Sit right next to me. Put his leg up like that. He like, you really think you could. With beanie like that? Like. Like, really with me? You really think you could with my. So he just started like, I couldn't take it. I'm like, my. I'm like, yo, you could call. Like, I. You know, I. I know them, right?

[Memphis Bleak]

He don't know. That's why. That's why I knew. I'm like, in your mind. He like, he don't know these.

[Cassidy]

He don't know, though. So I'm like, yo, my. You can call whoever bro. Like, he don't understand who I am, though. He never met me, though. He don't know that. How I get busy, though.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah.

[Cassidy]

So I'm like, you can call who the ever, like. Yeah. I'm saying, now I'm on some. Like, I'm. I'm like. He like. He like, all right. Take his phone like this. He looking at me like this. He like, the phone ringing. He like, yo, I guess probably beans like, yo, where y' all at? We at the studio.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah. We said baseline.

[Cassidy]

We got some over eight. Yeah, yeah. All right. Come here. All right. Holla. And then he looked at me like this. Like, I'm supposed to be scared, but if I was the average, I would have been scared. Like, them is about to. Yo, it's about to be dangerous. But he don't know that. I'm super prepared for that. Like, that's all I do is prepare for that moment. So I'm like, he really just so you know, other people start making phone calls now. Rough Riders down the street, they start showing up now in the studio, start filling up.

[Memphis Bleak]

I'm pissed I didn't go. You know, we was in baseline when Bings got that call, and they like, yo, we going to Swiss studio, battle Cassidy. And I'm like, y' all going to battle Cassidy? I think I was working on mine right at the top, and I'm like, now I'm gonna finish this record. I got Rule coming through. And they went down there to. For the battle. And I stayed in the studio waiting on Jai that night. Word. And I didn't go that night. That's crazy.

[Cassidy]

X thing, you know, Bulldo. No X recipes. X like, Bundo got a moon, though. When they say that Bundo was actually there, he know, ho. So they busted it up. They talk about betting and this and that, and Bundo like, yo, you don't know this. This is official, bro. And I'm like, whatever. They don't. He hoes don't know how I give it up, though. Next thing you know, a few seconds later, boom. Studio door like that, it just kick open. He like, it's Matt. He's walking, looking around like that and like, oh, like this. But I told you, I'm on the couch like him. The last time I seen Beans, because I used to win this battle competition in Philly on the radio, like, every day. I was winning for years. That's how I got popular. But this was for social media, so ain't know how I look. So the first time Beans met me, we in the studio, I'm rapping. He like, what's your name? I'm like, B. He like, b from the Cipher. I'm like, yeah. He like, oh, yo. So he was about to put me on that record he did with Cosmic Cab. I piss on your grave I on your tomb, consider your doom I platoon cool rooms in the middle of June. I'm doping in that. In the middle of spoons. Yeah, he's about to put me on that Southern man. But I had to leave that night. So when he was about to put me on that record, that was the last time we seen each other. So he kicking the door, Mac. And he looking around, and then he see me, and he like, oh, be from the Cipher. And he shake my hand, but he know, like, oh, they calling us the Battle B from the Cipher. Like this. Be from. He really. He get this battle like this. What? He. So he like, oh, be from the Cipher. Oh, skiing. No, behind them. Ew. Be from the Cipher. Your name B, right? All right. Oh, you know me. Cause, like, I've been in the house where, oh, we had in the same house. Are you. And you just heard Beans say it. So you're going like, come on. So I stand up and hove like, now, who you say you wanted to battle? I said, yo, I ain't say I wanted to battle any of these. I told you, pick. It don't matter. Like, any of these, bro. Like that. And when I said that, that's when they started saying, free, Free. Go ahead, free.

[Memphis Bleak]

Oh, they threw Free up.

[Cassidy]

Free, Go ahead, free. And I'm like, free. All of the people that, you know, I ain't. I. I just ain't think they was gonna pick Free, you know what I'm saying? Because he got that, you know, he got the to the beat style, the in and out round pattern. But to battle, I ain't think they was gonna pick Free. But that's what they start saying. Free Chris was there. Young Chris was there. Oh, B.

[Memphis Bleak]

All of them, the whole state prop.

[Cassidy]

Yeah, but they like, free, Free, go ahead, Free. Free, go ahead. And Free, like, stepped up like he was with it. So I'm like. And I just start rapping, you know, I mean, but the actual battle, like, nowadays, the battles start off like in the middle of us already rapping, like, you know, I mean, to start off a little late, but that's crazy.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's what's up, man. Now, Free, I remember them coming back to the stool, was pissed, was mad at you. I ain't even know you. Not like this, Cash. We got beef for the. I don't even know now. Like, we thought it was up, but nah, I remember that I met him. That's how I first met you. We had a show, I believe it was in St. Louis. That's when I heard the song you had with Kels. The hotel joint and son was out there with his shirt off, performing, killing, murdering. And then he come back, he like, oh, what's up, boy? Yo, this bleak, yo. Yeah, like, yo, man, this cast. I'm like, oh, this the old battle, Free. He like, yeah, man, but that shame. We family. That's my dog, man. Ain't about nothing. And we chill. We went to an after party and all that together. And I just met. Met this. And from that day, me and Cass always been cool. And Free always talked highly about you. He never took it personal. He just felt like, damn. I felt like I could have, you know what I mean, bought my A game a little bit more. But he never took it personal from.

[Cassidy]

That n. I love Free. I with Free, man. He was just in my studio not too long ago. Yeah, and every time I see Free man, he be like, yo, till this day, they still bring up that. Yeah, man, get away from that, bro. To this day, I still hear about.

[Memphis Bleak]

That, man, yo, that never gonna die.

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[Cassidy]

Segregation in the day, integration at night.

[Narrator/Host]

When segregation was the law, one mysterious black club owner had his own rules.

[Cassidy]

We didn't worry about what went on outside. It was like stepping in another world.

[Narrator/Host]

Inside Charlie's Place, black and white people danced together. But not everyone was happy about it.

[Memphis Bleak]

You saw the kkk.

[Cassidy]

Yeah, they was dressed up in their uniform.

[Memphis Bleak]

The KKK set out to raid Charlie, take him away from here. Charlie was an example of power.

[Cassidy]

They had to crush him.

[Narrator/Host]

From Atlas Obscura, Rococo Punch and visit Myrtle beach comes Charlie's Place, a story that was nearly lost to time. Until now. Listen to Charlie's place on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Cassidy]

Talking to your kids about the dangers of vaping can be hard. Getting them to listen to hot gossip is easy. So here's some drama you could share with your kid. Dude, did you hear about Cassie and Jake? No. But did you hear that vaping can.

[Narrator/Host]

Cause irreversible lung damage and nicotine affects brain development?

[Cassidy]

Nuh.

[Narrator/Host]

You don't need to gossip if you want to have an open conversation about vaping. So if you want to get tips.

[Cassidy]

On when and how to talk to your kids, visit talkaboutvaping.org, brought to you by the American Lung association and the Ad Council. This is Ryder Strong, and I have a new podcast called the Red Weather. It was many and many a year.

[Narrator/Host]

Ago in a kingdom by the sea.

[Cassidy]

In 1995, my neighbor, Anna Trainor, disappeared from a commune. It was hard to wrap your head around. It was nature and trees and praying and drugs. So, no, I am not your guru. And back then, I lied to my parents, I lied to police, I lied to everybody. There were years, Ryder, where I could.

[Narrator/Host]

Not say your name.

[Cassidy]

I've decided to go back to my hometown in Northern California, interview my friends, family, talk to police, journalists, whomever I can to try to find out what actions happen.

[Memphis Bleak]

Isn't it a little bit weird that they obsess over hippies in the woods and not the obvious boyfriend they have?

[Narrator/Host]

Had this case for 30 years.

[Cassidy]

I'll teach you sons of come around here with my wife.

[Memphis Bleak]

Boom, boom.

[Cassidy]

This is the red weather. Listen to the red Weather on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Memphis Bleak]

My next question to you is, at what age or what point did you know your pen game was different from the rest? When you felt like, n. I'm that nigga. Nobody. Every rapper, it's like every fighter, you feel like in your hood, nobody can fuck with me. I fuck everybody up. So I know it had to be a point when you felt that way.

[Cassidy]

I'm gonna tell you, like, from when I first started rapping, bro, Like, I was in school, like in the fourth grade and third or fourth grade. I think it was the fourth grade. But I was in an after school program, a fire prevention program. So they going around the room asking people, what you want to do when you grow up, what you want to do? I want to be a doctor. What you want to do? I want to be a lawyer. I want to be a firefighter. I want to be an actor. Like, people just doing that. So when they get to me, I was always smart in school. Like, like in city wide test scores and stuff like that. Like, I would come in, in the highest in the city. Like, so academically I never had a problem. So that's why I used to be like a class clown. I used to play a lot because I knew all of the work and it was moving too slow for me. But I realized that there's a bunch of other people in the class and we all gotta learn. So just. Cause I know everybody else don't.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's right.

[Cassidy]

That's why I would just have fun all the time. So when they ask me what you wanna be when you grow up, I'm like, man, I'm gonna be a rapper. Right? And everybody start laughing. But the teacher knew that I was joking. So they like, all right, you want to be a rapper, Then write a rap about fire prevention, this program that we in, and come rap it to us tomorrow and we'll let you know if you're going to be able to be a rapper or not. So they like, oh. And everybody like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, right there. And they start hyping it up. So they put me under pressure. So I'm like, all right. So I'm acting like I got it, but I don't got it. I don't even rap yet. Like, I don't. I don't rap. Yeah, I just said, I Was going to be a rapper. So she put me under pressure. So I go home, I'm like, damn, I got right my first rap. I'm talking to like my. My God mother and like my godmother, my God brother and my God sister. My God sister had a baby father and he rapped too. His name was Reese. He older than me, though. He was like a og. So he started giving me little tips about, you know, I mean, how to write, what to do, I mean, how I should go about it. So that's when I put my first rap together. I'm super young, so I put it together that day, just kept going over it, remembered it. And when we got to the after school program the next day, I spit it to the class and they went crazy. They like going crazy and acting like I just did the best ever. And I just like, yo, my. It ain't matter what I had on. It ain't matter. Like, all I had to do was think of something, write it down and say it. And you could have everybody doing this. I'm like, yo, I'm gonna rap forever. I'm gonna be the best. And that at that feeling of spitting that rap and filling that feeling. Ever since then, I always wanted to rap and be the best. So I was studying from that point on, like, the be better and better and better and better and better. I mean, so I always felt my pen was like, you know, I mean, but I guess when I really, really knew is when I entered that competition that I told you about. On the radio is 103.9, the Radio 1 station in Philly. So it was Zulu, Zulu and the Family. That was the name of the show. Zulu and the Family. Keep your radios locked, Baby, baby.

[Memphis Bleak]

Back in the day, for real, they.

[Cassidy]

Had something called the Cipher. So when you call up, you in the Cipher. Yo, you in the Cipher tonight you got to be a dope MC to rock the mic. So what's your name? And you'll be like, I'm bleak. And they'll be like, and what you do? And you'd be like, I rhyme. And they'd be like, well, put lips on your brain and then speak your mind. And then you just go in your bag and you start going crazy.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's dope.

[Cassidy]

So five, six. Like, it'd be different numbers, but, you know, when you the champion, you the champion. So everybody else called up to the Cipher to battle. You took you out. Yeah. So I became the champion after the first night. But the reason how I found out about it, because my Manager at the time was Rest in Peace William Hart, the lead singer of the Delphonics, legendary group from Philadelphia.

[Memphis Bleak]

Oh, yeah, bro.

[Cassidy]

William Hart wrote, trust me, a lot.

[Memphis Bleak]

Of people watching this was born on some Delphonic.

[Cassidy]

Exactly, Pops.

[Memphis Bleak]

Let it rip.

[Cassidy]

So, yeah, he put me on how he like gave his publishing away earlier. He even was writing for like Mike and the Jackson 5 and other big groups. And yeah, I mean, he got robbed for his publishing. But as he got older, you know, after 25 to 30 years, you know what I'm saying, it'll go back to the original person that wrote it, even if you did give your publishing away. So he sold like all his publishing away. But after that, 25 years or whatever.

[Memphis Bleak]

He got it back.

[Cassidy]

Yeah, he got it back. And that's when other artists started to use his music like big artists, like New Kids on the Block, the Fugees, they ready and now here I come. You can't hide. And I bet you a lot of people think that's just Fuji's original song. But that's words and everything is. Yeah, yeah, that's his song. So that's how he was able to make money later on in his life. But he always was telling me about how you could be creative and be the writer and responsible for the talent, but get taken advantage of.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's a fact.

[Cassidy]

So before I signed any deals, I was always skeptical and all of that stuff. But he had a son named DJ Romance. He worked at that same radio station. But he did like slow jams aren't.

[Memphis Bleak]

Like at night DJ Romance, he better be playing them slow jams. It's up. He can't even DJ today. There's no more slow jam.

[Cassidy]

Yeah, so he was telling me about that show. He like, yo, you know I do the slow jams. But it's another on the show Zulu, he got this cipher, you know, you. You be. You need to enter that. So that's what he told me to do. And from then, from me winning just. I won so much that they retired me they self and made me a radio personality to analyze other people battles. So that's how I got so little. That's why when Beans met me, he liked the ball beat from the Ciphers. Like the whole city was shut down when that was on.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, that's dope. How did that lead into you linking up with Swiss and.

[Cassidy]

Because well before I used to link up with other people, like I used to get backstage passes and VIP passes to all the concerts and they would throw big concerts. So they used to compare Me to cannabis when I was on that, because I was battling, and he was the only one, like, really in battle mode like that at that time. I'm like, yo, nice, man. When I see cannabis, I'm a battle cannabis that, like. Because they comparing me to him. I want to battle Cannabis when I see him, or at least spit for.

[Memphis Bleak]

Water, smoke with everybody or at least.

[Cassidy]

Spit for him and let them hear me. So they saying cannabis outside. So I'm in the back backstage. I'm knocking on tour bus windows looking for him like, yo, where Cannabis at? And I'm by my hanging the smoke.

[Memphis Bleak]

I. Yo, the hustler.

[Cassidy]

Yeah. So cannabis stepped off the bus, and he was used to being the smallest youngest, talking crazy like that. And he see me, and I'm way younger than him. I'm a small little. And I'm by myself, talking crazy like, where he at? I want to battle. And I never see nothing like that. Yeah, but it's Busta Rhymes there, Wildclef there. It's like, a lot of big celebrities I was able to meet from getting them backstage passes. Actually, while Clef was there, when I was rhyming for Cannabis, Ade off the Assassin, I don't know if you know him. He came out, he start rhyming, too. We going back and forth. It was a dope moment. Cannabis still remember it, too, to this day. Like, me and Cannabis, cool. We'd be talking about it still to this day. But why? Clef seen me and he was like, yo, you gonna be a star? He like, what's your name? Like, that was crazy. You gonna be a star, bro. I'm telling you. Just. And the first big celebrity when I got signed that called me to the studio to do a feature was Wyclef. He put me on a song called Celebrate. Y' all can look it up. Me, him, and Patti LaBelle, one of the legends from Philly, my city, threw me on something with Patti LaBelle. So I was like, wow. So while we in the studio and I'm working on that song and we working together, he didn't realize that I was that same kid from backstage that he told me I was gonna be a star. He just liked me from after I got signed with Swiss Again.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah.

[Cassidy]

So he. He brought me to the studio for that reason. But I told him, like, yo, you don't remember when you seen me backstage? I was rhyming with cannabis, and Buster was there and this and that. You told me he was going to be a star. And he like. Like, I do remember. I don't. I don't like you, like, but see, I ain't lying with me working right now.

[Memphis Bleak]

And that look like he knew some fortune teller genius in this business, man. He'll get enough credit for his production, man. You know what I'm saying?

[Cassidy]

Sure.

[Memphis Bleak]

Like, as an artist, I feel like a lot of people respect his artistry as his craft, but Wyclef produce some man.

[Cassidy]

Like, Wildcliff instruments. Yeah. Sing.

[Memphis Bleak]

Do all type rope for people. Do all type of man. He's. He's super talented. Like, my next thing, like, punchline rap, right? It was always like, a big. A big thing. But not everybody mastered the art of punchline.

[Cassidy]

It's supposed to be like this. Cause I don't see this keep dropping down.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, that shit drunk. That might drink it Doucet. That mike or Doucet, like, fucking the punchline rap wave. You know what I'm saying? I feel like a lot of artists back in the day used to do it. Like, I feel like Grand Pooba, to me, was one of the first artists I heard using, like, the punchlines. Him and Big Daddy King. But Grand Pooba is the one who, like, made it, like, really, really different. And then here come you. Your era of rap where punchlines, it became, like, where it became the whole verse.

[Cassidy]

Grand Pooh Bandom. I think who really took it to the next level was Lil Finesse, though.

[Memphis Bleak]

Lord Finesse and Grandpa. But, like, to me, them is the same. No disrespect. Them is the same, man. Them was killing together back in the day so ill that you didn't even know who was who until you bought the CD or the record and read who was spitting. Like, but them. Lord Finesse, yes. You got to give him his props, him and Grand Poo. But to me, yes. My bad for leaving you out. Lord Finesse, you see me? Come on, don't give me the OG talk.

[Cassidy]

My bad.

[Memphis Bleak]

But, yes, but then, like I said, your era came, and it became, like, the. The illest. And, like, to this day, Cass, like, your punchline's deadly.

[Cassidy]

I told you, I was in the fourth grade, and I wanted to be the best. So I started studying all of them niggas, even from Grandmaster Cass, like, the first writer. Like, I started studying all of them niggas, man, and just, like, analyzing what make me think this Rakim song is so dope. Like, what is he doing in his pocket? That sounds so much better right here than when another nigga rapped. Like, it gotta be a reason. It can't Just be. Just sporadic while. When he jump in this pocket right here, it sounds so much better than anybody else rapping. Like, I gotta understand why, like. And I started really breaking down the science and trying to understand, like, the actual reason why I like hip hop and why I was so dope. When I started studying from the beginning, everybody that was doing stuff, and I realized, like, one of the best pockets that I love is when the did punch. But people used to punch sporadically, like, every once in a while. Even if they did it, it might be once in a verse or something. It wouldn't be like, that was what they was really trying to do. But when they did do was so much to me, it's like I'd be like, like, damn, he killed that. Like, I just would love when punch. And I'm like, yo. And then you. When we get to the time when, like cannabis, he like punching consistently, but he doing it in a way where you got to be like, you had to go to school.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah.

[Cassidy]

You had to be really smart, like a little educated. Yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

And not for nothing, it's my man name. Down with EPMD and them. Keith Murray. Keith Murray, too.

[Cassidy]

The most beautiful.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah.

[Cassidy]

Capitalist punching, phony MCs. He came.

[Memphis Bleak]

He came with the vocabulary he made. Definitely be like, oh, I gotta pay attention to school to listen to this.

[Cassidy]

But this. This how I developed this style. Like, they came out with this tape back in the day, and one side of the. This one actually had tapes, and one side was all dmx, all DMX freestyles and new and all that. Then the other side was all cannabis. It was like cannabis and DMX tape.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's crazy.

[Cassidy]

But most of the in the hood was listening to X side, and everybody was with the X. And it's like. But I'm like, yo, this cannabis is going crazy on the other side of the team. Like, y' all don't hear what this doing. I got more lines than a million pair of Adidas. Got more lines than the African herd of zebras. Got more lines than the Bible quoted from Jesus. Got more like, he just back to back, just talking crazy to niggas, man, that said, yo, you gotta see I.

[Memphis Bleak]

Think what hurt cannabis ll, man.

[Cassidy]

Yeah. So I'm. But I'm listening to both sides. So I'm like, why would the street like xi? Because most street ain't smart. Like, they not. They don't want to hear that complicated vocabulary. They just want to have some street they can relate, too. That's why they was liking the X side.

[Memphis Bleak]

You hear it in the music today.

[Cassidy]

But why do I like the cannabis side so much? Cause he punching and he likes. He back to back saying creative. So I'm like, yo, what if you mix that together with the street? Like you say the craziest street that I love, like from. From Scarfies. I started small time dope game cocaine pushing rocks on the block. I'm never broke main. When I hear that, I'm like, yo, what the talk? And I'm like, yo, are you could mix that street crazy talk with what, like cannabis or like one of them? Like, and then mix it with also with what the backpackers is doing. Like, because cannabis wasn't over all the way backpackery. No, but it's like mix all that shit together in one and you. And the best part of what I like is the punch. So instead of doing it once a verse or every once in a while, imagine if you just did it back, back to back. Like, why they catching one of them, you already doing another one. And that's like so difficult to accomplish at that time. But if you could do that, imagine what it'll do to a hip hop air.

[Memphis Bleak]

Like, that's what.

[Cassidy]

So that's how I developed that style.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's how we got Cassidy, man. You know what I'm saying? And that's why I don't think you get enough credit. Or do you think you get enough credit for the punchline status in the game? Cause, bro, I feel like between you and Fred the Godson, Rest in peace, Fred the Godson. I feel like when I first heard you spit, I was like, damn, this on some. I felt the same way when I first heard Fred the Godson spit, you know what I'm saying? Like, the punch lines was just. Next level was like, how is this even thinking of putting this?

[Cassidy]

Inconsistent.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yes, like that. Like, you know, one verse, you'd be like, all right, did they killed that verse? Then you had 12 more verses the same way. It's like, wait a minute. These on some different. So I feel like, do you think y' all in your generation, you got the credit enough for even. Because I believe you influenced the Fred the Godson, you know, I mean, if there's no Cassidy, there's no Fred the Godson for sure. You know what I'm saying?

[Cassidy]

Rest in peace, Fred the God. We did work going music.

[Memphis Bleak]

Word up. Fred was the homie, man. That was my dog, man. God bless him and his family. God bless his kids, his wife, like all that, man.

[Cassidy]

Like, sure.

[Memphis Bleak]

When it come to that punchline, like, I said, they don't mention your name enough to me. In my opinion, when it come down to this hip hop shit, you know what I'm saying?

[Cassidy]

We got cast as a mixture of just so much man listening to you, man. You see when I came in here, you see that I'm rapping from you.

[Memphis Bleak]

You was on that head to down joint.

[Cassidy]

Y' all was lit before I was on, you know what I'm saying? So y' all was already doing. Y' all already had the hood on smash. So this is what I'm listening.

[Memphis Bleak]

Hey, I listen to you like, like.

[Cassidy]

I'm already a fan of who. Sorry to cut you off, but I'm already a fan of the. And he got a, a, a young, a little that's like his young boy that's now talking crazy to. And that's like, inspiring for like, me, bro.

[Memphis Bleak]

I, I, I appreciate that. My. But to hear you say, like, yo, I wanted to be the best. I look back and I think about me starting. I never wanted to be the best. My like, for me rapping, I remember me starting to rap was when I heard ABC Aisha, you know what I'm saying?

[Cassidy]

It was like, girl that I never had.

[Memphis Bleak]

Like, wait a minute, that ain't the Aisha I know. I know a different version of this girl. So I gotta write my version. But it was a girl in my hood who was the nicest. Her name was Kia. So I'm like, if I want to be nice, I gotta go with her. So my first rhyme was assisted by a girl taught me how to rhyme. It's a girl named Kia from my. She's still in my basketball. Shout out to Kia, word up. And she the one who taught me, nah, this how you do it. It's how you put a bar together. Do this. Ah, ah, ah. So I'm like, all right, cool. You know I was good. I thought I was nice. I until I went to school. Junior high is 49 in Williamsburg. And this from my projects. Always been my man cool. But I ain't know he rapped. Go to the lunchroom and he rhyming named Jude. It's my dog Shout out Ju do. And he was getting busy. All the girls at the table, he beating on the table, rhyming. I'm like, that's what I want doing. So all I rapped for was to have the girls in school. I didn't think we would take this worldwide, get money, do anything. So I never cared about being the best. I just wanted to impress the chicks in school. You know, I mean, get a little joints in the hood or whatever. And then when I seen Jay and Clark Kent rest in peace, and I told him, yo, I do my thing. And he like, yo, do this verse right here. And I put you on.

[Cassidy]

I'm like, like, all right.

[Memphis Bleak]

I do this in my sleep. This is nothing. Let's go. And then it went from there to that. And then, like, to hear you come in and singing the verse handed down. That's why I told you. I'm like, yo, that verse was real. Like, copping the joints 2. Two weeks before they came out. Shout out tone from Tom D's. That's my bro to this day. And it's like, bro, that was all real. And I remember. I believe that rhyme came about because just being with Primo, knowing who Primo is from gangstar, not me. All the mop, all the legendary artists that came through them halls in DND studio. We recorded that in DND studio.

[Cassidy]

I tell you what that did to me, though. That was like. You was like the. The special ed of the new generation. Special ed talking that I got it made. He a young.

[Memphis Bleak]

He made that should change life. I wanted a solid gold door. I wanted a dog with go ball.

[Cassidy]

But you flashy, fly little. Oh, yeah. Nosy from the, like, wild little.

[Memphis Bleak]

Please twist the trees.

[Cassidy]

I could visualize it. She. She from the third. Like, wow, look, please.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, like, we was like, all that is real. Like, lady used to call the cops on us. My being in the hallway, my son age. No going in the building.

[Cassidy]

Life's like cancer. Yeah. Like, and I'm serious.

[Memphis Bleak]

This and that verse, my. I felt like that was the first time because, you know, like, I tell coming to age. Yeah. Jay ripped out a piece of paper out of book and told me as fast as you remember this verse, as fast as you get on living. How I was living. It didn't matter who wrote the rhyme to me back then. Handed down was the first time I was able to walk in the studio.

[Cassidy]

Let me tell you a real story that nobody know. Everybody already know these, like, stories about Rough Riders and Swiss and the freeway battle. But this is a story. Don't know before all that, what. I was like, lit in the city and I seen Shaheen, the rugged child from the Wu Tang Clan, shout out.

[Memphis Bleak]

Shaheen, that's my dog, man. Projects, man. Staten Allen.

[Cassidy]

Yeah, he just. We was just on Instagram talking back and forth. Shout out to Shaheem. But it's crazy, though. He stopped in Philly. I think we in the sneaker store grabbing some sneakers or something. I see Shaheen, but he already lit. Like, I already knew from the movies.

[Memphis Bleak]

And all that back in the day.

[Cassidy]

I wasn't. I. I wasn't signed. I wasn't nobody yet. Like, I ain't. I ain't. I wasn't nothing yet. He was already lit, so. But I'm so active at the time, when I see Shaheem, I'm like, we about to get it popping. So I go outside and I just start the cipher. You rhyme. Look, you know, I smack this out you. I just start rhyming, going crazy out there. So Shaheen come out and he listening, and he see a. He used to like, just like cannabis. He used to being the youngest kid, smallest. But he see a younger than him carrying it, talking crazy. I'm going crazy. Like, what the. He like, yo, who the is you? I'm like, I broke it. I mean, he like, nah, you gotta meet the Woo. You gotta come out to New York. Yeah. So I never been in New York in my life, bro.

[Memphis Bleak]

Bro. And you went to Staten island with Shy.

[Cassidy]

Listen, though. Yo, listen, though. This is the crazy story, though. He told me, the guy like, yo, you gotta meet everybody from the Woo. They gonna love you, bro. You gotta come out here and with me. I'm like, yo, I never been in New York, but this is an opportunity. I want to meet these, bro. So he like, nah, we out here. Come out here. He like, yo, I know you ain't never been in the city. All you gotta do is catch the bus here. You're gonna get off right here. You're gonna get off at 42nd Street. So he started telling me. So I'm like, all right, cool. I catch the bus out there. I get off at the bus station, right? But this is back in the day before cell phones.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, pay phone days. I know what you mean.

[Cassidy]

Yeah, exactly. So when I get out there, the number that he give me to call him, that I'm supposed to call him at 42nd Street. I'm calling him. I'm constantly calling him. He not even picking up. Up. I'm like, what the? So I'm like, what the I' ma do? I'm out here in New York. I'm supposed to be getting with this. This. Not picking up. So then I'm constantly. Then as told you it's payphones.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah.

[Cassidy]

So I'm calling. I'm calling the. Finally pick up. He like, yo, nah, nah, my bad, bro. I was. I was called up. I had to do this, but damn, I couldn't even get down there. But I'm in. I'm in Staten island, bro. Look, look, all you gotta do is just do this and take the ferry over.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's right.

[Cassidy]

So listen, I know now because I've been out in New York for so long, but I told you, this is my first time even in New York got boats. This is my first time in New York, period. So now you about to send me somewhere else to catch a boat to go some do some. I'm like, I'm like, all right. So he like, yo, you gotta go here and do this and do that and catch this. So I followed the directions, bro. I go there, I get on this ferry. I see me going across this water.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah.

[Cassidy]

And when I get across the water, now they take you in this other little like little building type of.

[Memphis Bleak]

And you come out and it's the buses and there's a dollar cabs.

[Cassidy]

And where I see, I see the pay phone. So I go calling him, I'm calling him. I'm like, yo, my we in Staten island. And I'm all the way over here. I'm calling him. And the not picking up again. He not picking up again.

[Memphis Bleak]

Probably was a house phone he gave you.

[Cassidy]

Calling the number constantly. I'm just over there. I don't know where the to go. I'm all. Now I'm over the ferry in Staten Island. I don't know what the. I'm like, my. I'm constantly calling the, calling the. He not picking up. So finally I call the number back and the pick up. I'm just happy somebody picked up. I'm like, yo, what's up?

[Memphis Bleak]

That's right.

[Cassidy]

Like, nah, this, this, nah, this ain't shine. This Such and such. He just left with meth. Yo, chill, yo, the dad, he told me that, but he just left with meth. He said, damn, would you. I don't know how I'm gonna get in contact with him because he left with meth. He don't got no phone. But if he, if he spin back here, I tell him and yeah, and I'm like, how you gonna contact me if he do spin back? He like, I don't know, but I don't know where he at. He left with meth. And yo, and I just stayed for a while, like longer. And it's like, I don't even know how to get back. So by the time we figure out how to get back from Staten island back to the bus station where the. On the 42nd Street, I finally figure out how to get back there. I go to the 42nd street bus station. And now there's no more buses back to Philly until like eight in the morning. And it's like three in the morning or two in the morning or something. And it's like one in the morning. I don't know what time it was, but it wasn't nowhere near the next.

[Memphis Bleak]

Stop at like 2:45, 2:50.

[Cassidy]

So now we going around trying in the city, trying to look for a hotel or a motel. We can't really find it. It's like wild going on is like. So we go back to the bus station. Now we just laying on the floor waiting for the bus.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yo.

[Cassidy]

And I never seen Shaheen. Never seen the Woo. Never seen none of them.

[Memphis Bleak]

Nah, you never. You seen them again after this though.

[Cassidy]

Yo, my, like, this was crazy, bro. Yo, opportunity for me to meet the Woo. I go all the way. Like, yo, he could bid off this. I'm putting it out there. Never knew. He can tell his story. You could bid off this, whatever. I don't know what type time you was on, but he definitely did it to me, man. I understand. Should be happening, but I was a young. He know I was Cash yet. But still though, he did me.

[Memphis Bleak]

Damn, that's crazy.

[Cassidy]

The crazy part was not too long after that, like, I got signed, I got lit. The Rizza knew that I was lit. He called me to the studio, you know what I'm saying? So now I'm with the Woo Raekwon on my project. I'm really with the Woo and I'm really lit. I got like a big ass. I'm like, at this big ass event, and the security come backstage and they like, yo, your cousin here. I'm like, my cousin? Nah, my cousin ain't here. Nah, mine. My cousin, nah, he like a wire. So he go back out there, then he come back a few minutes later. Nah, he keeps saying, your cousin Shaheen, your cousin. I'm like, man, I don't got no cousin Shaheen. So he go back out there. He like. Then he come back a few minutes later. Nah. He said, from the Wu Tang Shaheen. I'm like, oh, Shaheen from the Wu Tang Clan. Like, Shaheen, Yeah, like, yeah. I'm like, oh, tell him come back here. And then Shine come back there. He like, yo, Cash, you got it lit, bro. What's up? And there was a different type of time because I'm lit now and you like whatever you was dealing with, but it's just like crazy how that went though. But I mean, even the fact that he just, I mean, respected my music and was even able to call me out there probably gave me some type of motivation to be more active and get on my shit. So I still fuck with Shyen.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah. Nah shot a fam, man. Shy had. He was one of the first littest young niggas out of the city.

[Cassidy]

But everybody thinks shit goes smooth. I tell niggas I start rapping. In the fourth grade, I got on the Cypher if I was winning, and they think everything is just smooth and. Yeah, but shit like that be happening, man.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah. Nah. And Sha got caught up with the streets, you know what I mean? Like, Sha got caught up with the streets. I feel like, you know what I mean? At that time, rap wasn't paying like it pay now. So, you know, a lot of people look back and be like, why you be in the streets and you a rapper? It's like.

[Cassidy]

It's like, what if it was like the Rough Riders? Or what if you was with Cat? Like, what if I was with the Woo? What if I would have met them and I was with the Woo instead of the Rough Riders? It would have went different, yo, but that would have been like, yo, crazy.

[Memphis Bleak]

She would have been crazy, man. Cash with the Woo, yo, so out of everything you've done, battles, songs, what would you say? You asked me. You got a favorite song?

[Cassidy]

Hold on. Before we go to the next topic, I just thought about something. You know, Shaheen probably hear this and be like, damn, man, I was on some. My bad. I really. You. You know what I'm saying? And it's the same thing I want to say to the rza. I told you. The RZA called me to the studio. They called me to the Wu Tang studio, and I with the Rizza, man. I love the Rizza. I love the Wu Tang. But I'm on the road. I think I just did some running around. I'm super high, right?

[Memphis Bleak]

You ain't dubbed the Rizza.

[Cassidy]

I ain't dub them. I'm just high, right? So the. The. The Rizza, like, yo, he is invite me in the studio. Like, y' all play you some beats, Gas. We gonna work, man. I got some for you. So I'm like, yo, that's what's up, man, with the Rizza Swiss there. But I don't know what. Like, I mean, I'm about to work with the Rizza, though. So I'm like, yo, that's what's up. But I'm super high. I'm smoking. I'm like this. Like I'm waiting for him to load up the. It's taking time for him to figure out, like how to load the up. So by the time he load this up and start playing, I'm listening and I'm like, oh, that's. I mean, but it was like one of his. Like, not like woo Tank Clan ain't nothing. It wasn't one of them Johns. It was like a more, you know, like a smoother type of like, you know what I mean? Beat. It was like some smooth shit. And I'm high and I'm listening to the John and I'm like this. And he playing and I'm looking at him at the board and next thing you know, I must have just fell out, bro.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yo, you went to sleep.

[Cassidy]

Sleep, bro.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yo, chill.

[Cassidy]

I'm like this yo in the studio, like, what the. I know he mad as like, yo, this went to sleep like out of here. I know he probably mad as hell. Yeah. By the time I wake up, I look up, Rizza not there, nobody there, no Beats playing. I'm like, what the.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, they let. Yo chill.

[Cassidy]

I just sleep. I just want to say like the same way I said Shaheen probably did me dirty as a reason. Exactly. And there's a reason. Like, I love the Rizza, bro. I wish I could get back in and work. I probably ruined my opportunity. But I don't want him to think like I don't with him. Like, I was just high and tired and you know what I mean?

[Memphis Bleak]

Nah, it'd be like that, bro shy. He probably was super lit. Like I said, man, Sha was the littest in the city back then. And like you said, was no cell phones, man. And then Sha was in the streets, man. You had to make ends meet, you know what I mean? So he caught a lot of bad breaks with going to jail, which, you know, I feel like hindered his movie career. Cause I was in movies doing everything.

[Cassidy]

Kidding me.

[Memphis Bleak]

He was doing his thing. And you know how it is. My. When you lit, you said a hundred different plays up and hey, yeah, holla at me, holla at me. How many you told? Holla at you. You knew you wasn't hollering back.

[Cassidy]

Yeah, but I ain't tell him to come out New York and then catch the ferry. Yeah, yo, that was a lot. That was different.

[Memphis Bleak]

I ain't gonna front.

[Cassidy]

I used to play the sneaker store and been like, yo, I'm gonna with you. I'm gonna call you out there. They never get with me. I wouldn't have been mad.

[Memphis Bleak]

I used to play hooky on the Staten island ferry, so I know that was free to go to Staten Island, 50 cent to come back. I played hooky everywhere in the city. I knew my moms ain't have money to go, and she wasn't going to Staten Island.

[Cassidy]

So I was lit in New York, though. That's the difference.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, I ain't never go to Philly and get lost.

[Cassidy]

Yeah. Like, imagine going to Philly and you want to Philly Trolley. Back in the day, you don't know what they do. Yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

Nah, man, that's. That's whack. Yo, that was different. So, yo, bringing up the Rough Rider days, man, how was that for you? Like, y' all had the locks. Eve, man, Eve is my sister, man. I love Eve, man. Like, out of all the female rappers in the game, like, I know Kim, I know Fox. They the peoples that's family all day. But me and Eve was like, she.

[Cassidy]

She.

[Memphis Bleak]

She hung with me. She with me. You know what I mean? So I got a different type of love. And it's like the Rough Rider camp from X. God bless X. You know what I mean? From D. All of y' all Swiss. Like, how was that?

[Cassidy]

And it's crazy, like, how we in reverse. Like, I'm a Philly, but it's like Brooklyn is like. They embrace me. Like, it's like my second home. They love me out there.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah. And that's how Philly is for me.

[Cassidy]

Exactly.

[Memphis Bleak]

Think I from Philly certain places.

[Cassidy]

Exactly.

[Memphis Bleak]

No, no, no.

[Cassidy]

I'm from New York.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yo.

[Cassidy]

It's the same.

[Memphis Bleak]

I can see that.

[Cassidy]

Word.

[Memphis Bleak]

I can see that. I can see that.

[Cassidy]

Wild. That think I'm from New York, you know what I'm saying? But I carry it. Who I be around, you know what I'm saying? They with me. Heavy.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah.

[Cassidy]

Just added like a little concert out there. I mean, little. Little that I had in Brooklyn the other day was packed. The capacity. They showing me super love. Like, I. With Brooklyn Heavy.

[Memphis Bleak]

You know, Brooklyn, the. Brooklyn is always. Always going to be the vibe. My. That's home base, man.

[Cassidy]

So it's like similar, man. How you get. I mean, yeah, you connect with Eve. I mean, your wife from Philly. Yeah, yeah. Your wife West Phil. I mean, how you born and raised?

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah. Now Philly. Philly, my second home, man. I. I love Philly. They embrace me. I go down there. They treat me like I'm their long lost cousin.

[Cassidy]

My wife from the.

[Memphis Bleak]

From New York. Oh, we done traded. We done traded, fam. That's what's up. Hey yo, you told me you've been 20 plus years. God bless, man. I. I pray I make it to 20. I'm on year 12 this year, married 15 together. So I feel like we, we on our way to 20. But you 20 plus.

[Cassidy]

You on my heels though. You right there.

[Memphis Bleak]

How is that, man? What type of advice would you give any of these young guys out here, man? Man, that you know, little turbulence because it ain't easy. You know, people think marriage and relationships is easy. What we post on the gram is life every day. And it's really not like it's ups and downs in every relationship.

[Cassidy]

That's a fact. In every relationship, man, that's a fact. Relationships ain't for everybody, man. No, everybody can't play the part and be saying they 15 years, 20 years. That all that is like it ain't for everybody, man. It's just like, like it just depends on what type of person you want to be. You gotta make the decision if you're ready to, to do what, what is, what's required to make it work. Because it's not gonna be all peaches and cream regardless of fact. I mean there's gonna be a fight and you gotta have something that make you wanna fight.

[Memphis Bleak]

Fight for. That's right now that's what's up, man. Like my advice to these young out here bad is make sure you know what you want to do before you just dive into it.

[Cassidy]

It.

[Memphis Bleak]

Cuz I, I feel like when looking back my. I played in a lot of these ladies faces. I was on some, you know what I'm saying? Playing like that's what you wanted, knowing you didn't want it. It's like now being married and being with a woman and having a daughter and knowing the feelings that a woman really deal with is like, I feel like be more straightforward. They appreciate that.

[Cassidy]

Yeah, for sure.

[Memphis Bleak]

You know what I'm saying? Be more straightforward. Tell them exactly what you want, who you are and what you about. If you ain't about the long term jeopardy, Let them know, hey dog.

[Cassidy]

But sometimes, yeah, just to have fun.

[Memphis Bleak]

Party all the time, yo.

[Cassidy]

Sometimes that could be good advice, but sometimes that could be bad advice depending on what level you at in life. Yeah, like if you had the introduction level, like when I first started dealing with females, it wouldn't have been best for me to be in that bad. Cause I was still young, named deserve it. I wasn't even on that type of type of time.

[Memphis Bleak]

So see, I was. Wow.

[Cassidy]

Be all honest with These girls, they don't even deserve it.

[Memphis Bleak]

No, no, I'm not talking about be honest like telling them your deep dark secret. I'm just saying letting them know, hey girl, we not. I'm. I don't want no relationship. I'm just here to have fun. I'm here for a good time, not a long time. That type of honesty like I feel like back in the day I was.

[Cassidy]

Not even know though. You might not even know though. That's the thing.

[Memphis Bleak]

I knew. I knew Cass. I knew, I knew I didn't want a long term thing. I used to. But you know as a.

[Cassidy]

Because you in the long term thing now. Now so you was thinking that you didn't but you subconsciously did.

[Memphis Bleak]

If you come on if we going on that type of.

[Cassidy]

It's the influence of the world. Like these bitches. I'm bleak, I'm lit. I could do this. And that's what's making you like man. But subconsciously the feeling like you really want it. That's why you got it now. And you telling other people to fight, fight for it, to get it because you know the feeling of it. No, you did want it from the beginning. It's just like you was young.

[Memphis Bleak]

I was too late.

[Cassidy]

Wasn't in a place to just.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yo, bro, I was 17 with a Tahoe when in terrors 7 TVs in there playing Jerry Springer saying the same.

[Cassidy]

Like sometimes that's on your same time. Right now he ain't thinking about settling down. He thinking about it could be another young. That's like you when you was young. And he like, man, I'm not trying to hear that bleak talking about, bro.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Make sure that's what I'm saying. Don't play in these women face, man. Cuz I did. I was foul. I led a lot of women to the middle of nowhere and left them. I was on some and I apologize for it. That's why I'm saying Cass, I was fouled. I could. I was on the wrong.

[Cassidy]

Women was foul too though.

[Memphis Bleak]

But not like me. I was on some different.

[Cassidy]

You just wasn't.

[Memphis Bleak]

Because a lot of girls wanted to be there. And I know they look at my wife now and be like how the fuck she did that? And it's like I don't know shit. Just life. Like they said climate change.

[Cassidy]

So you feel like you need a penalty for being filed. You think you got.

[Memphis Bleak]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I don't need no penalty. I just wanna let These young niggas know, be honest, be truthful, and let them know, dog, keep doing your thing. But, my G, you've been through a lot in this game, you know what I mean? From major label deals, going independent, the battle rapping.

[Cassidy]

I'm just saying, like, if you're a street nigga, right, and you fucked up and you meet a girl, she got a little bag, she got a car, she got a little apartment, she taking care of you and all that, that.

[Memphis Bleak]

Don'T mean that's your wife.

[Cassidy]

I know, but she just. It just is a good move for you right now.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah.

[Cassidy]

Hell, yeah. I'm just gonna be honest and be like, yo, I ain't ready for no commitment right now. I don't want to do nothing with you.

[Memphis Bleak]

I'm just trying to do that right there.

[Cassidy]

You cut your line.

[Memphis Bleak]

That was. That was me.

[Cassidy]

Yes, you cut your.

[Memphis Bleak]

Be honest. Yes. Go get your own. Be living off no chick, dog. You feel me?

[Cassidy]

A lot of is, though.

[Memphis Bleak]

I know. A lot of don't even know they homeless today. Break up.

[Cassidy]

Yeah, I ain't talking about me and you. I'm talking about the world. Like, a lot of.

[Memphis Bleak]

No.

[Cassidy]

Yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

A lot of just don't know they homeless until they break up.

[Cassidy]

Exactly.

[Memphis Bleak]

When the relationship over and they got that look. See, that's been my motivation because as a kid, my mom, you know, you see moms with her boyfriend or whatever, and when they be like, get your. And go and grab. Why always had that little black bag, like, all your fit in the little black bag, like, so I always knew I'm never gonna carry that little black bag.

[Cassidy]

So if you own the crib. If you own the crib and you beef with the girl, you gonna be like, yo, get the out to her.

[Memphis Bleak]

My wife. Yeah, no, exactly.

[Cassidy]

So you in the same position, but.

[Memphis Bleak]

We'Re not talking about that then. I'm talking about get the out. Oh, I'm gonna get the out.

[Cassidy]

It's your crib, Right? But with your wife, if y' all go through something, you still got to take that little black bag. Like the ball.

[Memphis Bleak]

No, no, no. I just take the black truck. That black bag was getting on that train they was on. That iron horse was bad. I would just take the black truck and I' ma go. I'll be back tomorrow in the morning where everything cool off. You feel me? But like I said, my G, you've been through, you know, a lot of ups and downs, good moments, bad moments. Like, I just want to know your motivation that kept your head on straight. Pause. If Paul, I don't play pause. That kept your mentality quality, you know, straight. And any advice to the young out there? Because like I said, you had major label deals, independent deals.

[Cassidy]

Like, I wanted to tell, like, if y' all listen.

[Memphis Bleak]

Every time I get into this, this.

[Cassidy]

So much when you talk. You said the pause. I'm thinking. When I did the general remix, way, way back in the day with Nas, I was so happy to do a record with Nas. It was the general remix, but I said that I like, like, if it's beef, I'm on top of it. Like a one sauce. Pause now who the truth? Me. Now it's like way back in the day before pause was out. But people look it up, though. Niggas know the general remix. Me and Nas. And I said pause a long time ago, but you just made me think of that saying to pause. But I ain't mean cut you off, man.

[Memphis Bleak]

Nah, nah, nah. You good, my nigga. You my brother, man. But like I said, you been incarcerated. Deals, everything what keep you motivated to keep going and to bounce back. Like, I ain't gonna let nothing stop me.

[Cassidy]

I'm super self confident, man. I believe that the universe start inside of me. Like everything that I visualize and see got to do with me. So, I mean, I always been super confident and realized that that's important to succeed. You gotta be confident in yourself. Cause it could be a time when everybody seem like they believe in you and they fucking feel with you and they love you, but it could be other times when everybody seem like they turn their back on you and nobody with you. But you still got to make it make sense and make it happen regardless. And you got to make people understand everything. Like from the very beginning, everybody else not gonna understand your. Your grind, your drive, your whole. You gotta make them understand. So that takes self confidence and me knowing that is what. But keep me motivated, man. When the doctors told me when I got in that nearly fatal accident, I came out the coma, they told me my brain was so badly damaged, I was never going to be able to rap again. And now I feel like I'm the best right now. I feel like nobody could with me right now in a world with a perfect brain that never had nothing happen to their brain. I feel like they can't with me. But the doctor was telling me that I was never gonna be able to rap again. You know what I'm saying?

[Memphis Bleak]

I'm about to take that battle free. I'm about to take that battle free. Don't worry. I'm Avengers.

[Cassidy]

I'm just saying, like, to be able to accomplish something like that, like when Swiss came to see me, like, yo, you gonna be able to rap again? The doctor, like, like, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, but I'm talking to you. I got my memory. I'm telling you about things that happened before the accident.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's right. Right.

[Cassidy]

I'm telling you about things. We talking. You asking me, yo, what happened then. And it's not like I'm like, retarded right now. And I still correct, you know what I'm saying? So it's like, yo, that's a blessing, man.

[Memphis Bleak]

Nah, that's a fact, bro. To be here today, man. A lot of people take life, a lot of things in life for granted until they stripped away for sure, you know what I'm saying? To the little things that, you know, walking, touching, eating, smell, even just breathing.

[Cassidy]

When you get sick and your nose stopped up and you can't breathe and you're not breathing right, that's the worst. Just when you get regular, healthy, just enough normal, regular way, it just feels so like, damn, I can finally breathe again. Like, what the fuck?

[Memphis Bleak]

Yo, do you feel like the industry ever tried to just box you in as a battle rapper?

[Cassidy]

Later on in my life, like, later on, like, more, more there now. They tried to put me in a battle rapper box, but in the beginning, I don't think they considered me a battle rapper. You had to be like a die hard fan and know about them DVDs and me battling free. It wasn't social media, so only like certain industry even knew about that happening.

[Memphis Bleak]

Smack DVDs come up DVDs them shits was.

[Cassidy]

But that wasn't like, it wasn't like mainstream like that. Like, I mean, it was like some underground. So, I mean, I don't think a lot of. I mean, a lot of people knew that I came from that battle rap culture like that I was on that cipher in Philly that was just in the city. But now I'm. I'm appealing to the whole world. So everybody don't know about that Philly and you battling and all that. All they know about is what you're doing now.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's right.

[Cassidy]

So I was on the Rough Rider compilations and then I did. I got a large house, a dog house in my backyard. They know that. And after you did that, that was Ronald Oley, Puff Jadakiss, Snoop Dogg, Swizz Beats, and then Baby and Me. I'm the only new like, you see all of us like already lit, established and then it's me. I got a large house. But it's like one of the most memorable lines from that whole song for me, me. And right after that I. What was the next thing I, I dropped. I mean girl, you want to come to my hotel? So it's like the world think I'm like a hotel rapper, like I'm like a pop rapper, like I'm like a hit making rapper. They don't know that I get busy and I got bars and I'm lyrical and I'm from the streets. I'm not just a, you know what I mean?

[Memphis Bleak]

But what would you say today, being from the street and being in the industry, knowing what you know and being through what you've been through. Would you have went that pop lane because you had it? It's your first record.

[Cassidy]

Is, is important to do both. That's why I had to fight about with the second album to do I'm a Hustler. They ain't want me to do that type of record. They wanted me to do more of a hotel type of pop, top 40 type of record.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's what every label used to say.

[Cassidy]

It's mandatory for me to do, do one of these records like from my battle history, from what I represent, from who I am. The world need to see me like this. Like it's not going to go right unless we do this.

[Memphis Bleak]

When I'm a hustler, drop change for you. Exactly.

[Cassidy]

But they didn't want to do that. So that's what makes me feel so good about me fighting for that man, fighting to push that, fighting to make that happen, you know what I'm saying? That's what made me feel good about my decisions. And I'm fighting against people that, that's been doing this longer than I was born, you know, I mean I was signed to Clive Davis so he like was lit before I was born, like, you know what I'm saying? So you can't say that you just been putting in more work or time like that.

[Memphis Bleak]

Crazy.

[Cassidy]

How can you make a decision over them, you know what I'm saying? But for me to know and feel it and be able to do that, that meant a lot. And I felt like I had to do that because my first two singles was Hotel and Get no Better. So if you just a regular fan and you hear that, you would never think that I'm like the Freeway Battle cast. You would never think he was him. You would think he, you could go get it cracking. You said I was Taking off my shirt for the ladies and doing all that. Yeah, you would think I'm that You won't think that he'd get busy and go crazy.

[Memphis Bleak]

I'll tell you a like me that never had a pop record never had the body to take his shirt off at the show. I'm looking at this, I'm looking at you and Ja. Who the these think they are, man, you think you see they gonna get more than me.

[Cassidy]

Watch this.

[Memphis Bleak]

So I was hating you was killing their shirt off. I wanted to get in the gym. I just never had that motivation. Just like got a couple donuts.

[Cassidy]

I ain't want to really say it, but I was kind of eating when Jay Z and all I'm on the radio and Hot 97 they took talking crazy.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's why I went back to like that like that.

[Cassidy]

Nah, this ain't Jigga. This your little what? Who the is this? This how he.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's that true. My G word, man. I remember when Jay cleared I'm a hustler and I'm like, oh. He like, yo, Swish just sent this record over. I'm clear. I played that.

[Cassidy]

Yo, I'mma tell you, we in the studio. Yo, Swiss, we about to make a beat. Like, yo, I'm already do some mixtape. I gotta get some out for the streets. So you start with them drums. I'm like, that's crazy. He like, yo, I got all these acapellas from hove. He start going through them. All these acapellas don't only get to that. I'm like, oh, that's crazy. He put that in the machine. He start chopping it. Ask ask about me. X acts about me. Then we went to the next part. When we get to the I'm a hustler. Like when he started hitting that, I'm like, oh, that is it. That's gone. Yeah, but when he first did it, he did the beat. We did the beat. When he first when we get the beat, I go in there and I. Because we were supposed to be doing a mixtape song, this is what we're supposed to be doing. So when he do the beat, I go in there and I do a mixtape style. I lay two long ass verses. I think the verse is probably like 50 bars. So it take a long ass time to get back to the. Yeah, so it's like a long ass time to get back to that. I'm just rapping. It's still available. You can look at that original version of I'm a Hustler before the I did the song.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah.

[Cassidy]

I was like, on the road, and DJ Romance, he was down with Flip Mode, Busta Rhymes and all them, you know. I mean, not DJ Romance. I'm. I'm hot. That was the. That got me on the Cipher. Yeah, yeah, but Rampage. Rampage was with Flip Mode Squad, and.

[Memphis Bleak]

He was DJ Rampage Shout Out Rampage man from Brooklyn.

[Cassidy]

So Rampage right it up on the DJ side in the clubs. So he got a hold of that record and he was already it up in the city, playing it crazy. But I was on the road and I ain't know. So when I get back to the. The city and I go to the club, he everything regular. And then all of a sudden, I had New Cassidy Ask about me, ask about me. And AI and all them in the club. I see AI and them get up. They like, ask about me, ask about me. It's like everybody going crazy. Like, they know this. Like, it's already, like, ringing. And I'm like, what the. I see AI get up talking about acts about me. I said, oh, this is a hit, bro. But why it's playing. It's taking so long to get back to the hook. And I'm like, yo, this ain't. It's clubby. But I did it, like, mixtape bar style. I gotta make this into a real song. So I went right back up to New York and I'm like, yo, Swiss, this is Gone in the City. We gotta make this into a real song. He like, what? I'm like, that. I'm a hustler. He like, nah, I got. I'm like, nah, we gotta do that. That's right. And I'm like, nah, that's it, bro. That's crazy. That right?

[Memphis Bleak]

Didn't want to do it. That's crazy.

[Cassidy]

And he like, all right, it. He pulled the beat up. And then I start putting together the verses that you hear on the video, the actual single, shortening them verses and making it like that. And then we put that together, chopped it up, and I'm like, yo, this is it. This the single. Let's go. And we took that to J Records. They like, what? No, I don't like. They like, listen. They said, how are we gonna sell this? This record? You don't hear in the chorus alone. They like it. Now, they ain't say it, but they like, it's X about me. X acts about me. They start adding up with their fingers the number of. And the shits that's in the hood, look. And they like, how could we ever get this on the top 40 station? How we ever get this on the radio? This is not it. We need something like, girl, you want.

[Memphis Bleak]

To come to my hotel?

[Cassidy]

I'm like, no, this is it.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's right.

[Cassidy]

And they ain't want to believe it, so they ain't put no money behind it. So what we do, gotta just release it to the mixture of DJs on your own. We ain't had no clearance. We had no money behind it. I just released it to the mixed DJs on my own. And they started playing the like crazy. They started going crazy with the record. And when they start seeing the spins and the reaction of the record with no money behind it, they said, oh, this is it. And that's when they started releasing. That's why I was able to get Benny Boone to come to Philly and shoot the video. That's why we was able to make it the first platinum ringtone. But the money came a little late, if they would have believed in it from the beginning. And on the top of the fact that I was locked up, up two weeks before the album dropped is what affected the actual momentum of that project.

[Memphis Bleak]

So with that being said, with the I'm a hustler taking off, like, as a rapper being signed to a rapper and a rapper being signed to a producer, I always felt like people like y', all, like you, Saigon, you know what I mean? Y' all had the advantage of having a producer always on call. Like, how was that for you being signed to How. What you thought of that process of being with Swizz?

[Cassidy]

I guess there's advantages and disadvantages of both, you know, I mean, I guess you probably got some advantages of being signed to a rapper, because if you trying to rap, it could be advantages to that.

[Memphis Bleak]

Until he dropped in, until his trying to drop his project.

[Cassidy]

Project.

[Memphis Bleak]

Your project.

[Cassidy]

Yeah. But at the same time, when you sign to a producer, even if you get a crazy record from another producer, it's like that song, too. Did you think about that? So, you know, I mean, I got dope records, like, you know, I mean, that could have went crazy. But, you know, from different producers, other producers, the first single is always going to be Swiss. You know what I mean? So a lot of people might think that Swizz, like, produced everything, but on a lot of, like, my biggest projects, Swiss might have produced two or three songs, but it might be 16 songs on a project, 17 songs, and he had produced two or three of them. And he'd just do the single, though. So everybody like, yo, Swizz did everything they Listen to the project is Swiss. Yeah. And they would just look at it like that. Like, you know what I'm saying? So it's advantages and disadvantages of both. But. But I mean, I learned a lot being signed to a producer and being focused on bars. Like me focusing on lyrics and bars. It was good to be signed to a producer because he was able to look at it from a different perspective. Best just off bounces and energy and. Yeah. And hypeness and like that. When I'm not focused on that, I'm more focused on. I got a large house. Like, I cannot press you with what I'm about to say, but at the same time, when you can say it over the right type of tempo or the right melody or the right beat, it make it even better. So being with him was special, you know what I'm saying? So, yeah, I can't say which one is better. Like, if it's me and Saigon got the advantage or you got the advantage. But it's all a blessing just to be with somebody that's established, regardless if it's a rapper, a producer, or even somebody that don't do nothing but they just got information, got connects. Yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's all it's about, man, is having the opportunity. Opportunity is bigger than anything. Anything, man. It's what you do with it. So, like, and being from Philly, man, one of the most competitive cities. When it comes down to spitters, like the new generation, how do you feel your influence play in the role of the new generation? Spitters from Philly a lot.

[Cassidy]

I think even a new drill sound. All that got to do with how we was giving it up.

[Memphis Bleak]

Me.

[Cassidy]

AR ab, the old obh, lost, me family. How we was just giving it up. Talking that crazy is what. And influenced a lot. And with this battle rap shit, how I gave it up. Like with all of the leagues, Battle Academy and all of the Philly leagues, like, those wouldn't exist if it wasn't for the work that. You know what I mean, I put in. If the Me and Free battle ain't happened, it probably wouldn't be no URL. It probably wouldn't be no rbe, Rare Breed Entertainment. I mean, it probably wouldn't be no King of the Dots lot. You know what I'm saying? It's like everything lead to other things. So I'm saying that was the. That battle is what led to all of these people seeing that it's money and it's. And. And people is interested in seeing this.

[Memphis Bleak]

Type of interest is money.

[Cassidy]

Yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's all, that's all you need, man. Once it's interest is money for sure.

[Cassidy]

Exactly. So like, you know, our wasn't but for social media. So it was on a VHS tape PO P O P O A that actually recorded it. That was down with Rough Riders on the camera, that record on the VH set. So in the, in the beginning it was only on VHS tape and certain industry got access of the tape. So they was all. When they came to the studio with us, they was able to see it, but they was able to just say I seen it and talk about it. But it wasn't like the Internet where you could pull it up and actually.

[Memphis Bleak]

See anytime you want it.

[Cassidy]

Yeah. So then the mixtape DJ got. Damn. I. I don't remember what mixtape DJ got it first and I don't want to disrespect him. I know he had to be somebody, but I, I just can't remember. But one of the, one of the mixtape DJs that was lit at the time got access to the VHS tape. So he took the VHS tape and put it. The audio. He, he, he took the audio off of the VHS tape and put it on a mixtape where the battle was just like music mixtape. So people was riding around, killing us, my G. The sound, right?

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, that bag killing us, my G. Yeah.

[Cassidy]

So it was on like a mixtape and people was riding around actually listening to the battle, like it was a record or a mixtape record and they was actually rapping it, but they couldn't see us. They didn't know that it was like visual. It was just on the mixtape. So you know what I'm saying? Like, you know, and then eventually when YouTube started and all that, then people was able to see the audio, I mean the actual visual later, you know what I mean? But I think that's what led to all of these leagues starting and people getting inspired to even want to be super lyrical. And punch, like you said, punching wasn't around before. I really made it super popular. So for people to be just focusing on straight punching and being competitive and disrespecting the nigga like that, you know what I mean? All that energy wasn't really around, but for me.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, that's right, man. That's what I was gonna ask you too. That's my next question. Do you feel like real bars is back or do you feel like have they ever left?

[Cassidy]

They never left because there's billions of people in the world. So. Grandmaster Cas, Big Daddy, Kane, Rakim, they all still alive. Special Ed still alive. Kumo D. He just shout out to Kumo D. We be communicating. He's still alive, bro. All of the legends, KRS1, they still alive. LL still alive. Shout out to LL. I went to the studio with LL when I was super young. I was like a teenager. That's when I was just starting. LL knew all my mixtape from back then. This is the first time I seen Halle Berry too. We outside the hotel, waiting for LL to come down, and I see Holly Berry for the first time. Damn.

[Memphis Bleak]

But you foul, though. You just did some foul. You mentioned Kumo D and then you said LL and hip hop, legendary rap.

[Cassidy]

Now I with both of us, like, blast. LL was out here, Kumo texting me, calling my Modi was at shit, man.

[Memphis Bleak]

He had the best shades. But then what LL said. I crushed Kumo D. Shades and ice tea.

[Cassidy]

And like I told you, I was in the studio with ll. We work. I love ll. I love Kumo D. They both inspired me to be me. So. Yeah, I can't.

[Memphis Bleak]

You gotta battle L N. I'm with you.

[Cassidy]

Me. Nah, nah, nah, nah.

[Memphis Bleak]

I'm with you. LL is the super battle rapper.

[Cassidy]

I couldn't even. I would never disrespect, like, yo, I'm not a nigga that disrespect the niggas that.

[Memphis Bleak]

That was before the pioneers. Yeah, yeah. I'm saying laid the groundwork for us, bro. Them the OGs.

[Cassidy]

Yeah, like. Like even you, like, you came too much before me.

[Memphis Bleak]

I wouldn't even, you know, you wanted to battle me. You know, you was like, I on bleak. He can't with me.

[Cassidy]

Nah, I never did that. You wasn't. You was too. But for me, like, you know what I'm saying? You was already on when I was thinking about getting on. And once it's like that, I don't. I don't disrespect like all these people I'm naming us I talk to. Especially at Kumo d. Grandmaster, cats, krs1, ll cool j, all these people I talk to. And I would never. I feel like I'm the best, but I'm the best from after they from me. Like, I'm not the only way I would ever disrespect the that came before me if he just started disrespecting me crazy and violating me and just. I don't got no other choice.

[Memphis Bleak]

Choice.

[Cassidy]

But I would never like, got no other choice. I would never like, initiate no disrespect to the. That paved the way for me. If they ain't do what they did, I wouldn't even be able to exist. And I realized that. And I realized if I ain't do what I did, all of the people that came after me wouldn't be able to exist. So the same way I want them to show respect for the work I put in, I gotta show the respect for the work that that put in that came before me. Bro. Bro.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah.

[Cassidy]

It's only right.

[Memphis Bleak]

Let me. Let me ask you, being a major boss bit a battle rapper, hit maker, from pop to underground records, mixtapes, what you feel? What's your take on ghost writing? Like, how do you feel about. Do you take away from an artist craft if ghost writing and all of that stuff?

[Cassidy]

Yeah. You could never be in the same category as dudes like me that's trying to be the best and really is the best and really like battling and competitive. You could never be in that conversation. If you got got ghost writers and you got assistance and you got help. There's no. There's no way to compare us now. You could compare the other that got ghost writers like you as far as success and how y' all took the ghost writing, how y' all delivered it, how y' all accomplished that. You can fight with them, but you can never battle with a that. Do it from the muscle and try to act like you could compete with that. It's a difference. You know what I'm saying? So that's what I don't like. I don't like when fans try to like mix and match that. And there's nothing wrong with having the Ghost Rider. The first hip hop song that we ever heard was Ghost Ray and Grandmaster Cast. Ghost wrote that. I told you, that's my inspiration. He ghost wrote the first actual record, A Hip a Hopper today.

[Memphis Bleak]

That was Ghost saying the name that wasn't even his name in that song.

[Cassidy]

So before. Before we even knew about rap, rap was already getting engosure. And so we can't say like, you know what I'm saying, It's gonna happen. It's a business trying to get money and be successful. But at the same time, there's also rules and regulations. So just because you get money and successful don't mean you could compare to a that's doing it from the muscle.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's a fact. I mean, nah, I feel this and.

[Cassidy]

A lot of that. Compare me to. I ghost wrote for. I don't say it, but it'd be funny. They'd be like, yo, you ain't better than such and such much. And I'd be like, yo, when we was in the studio, I was the one giving this all the lines to say. But y' all saying, I'm not better than him. How? Like, what the.

[Memphis Bleak]

Because you gave them all the lines. That's why you not. Can't be better than yourself. What the. You battling yourself. They right.

[Cassidy]

You're not better than yourself, though. I battle myself, I think. Think three times on two of my albums and on a different record after that, I bet on myself. I was the first person to actually do that because I ain't had nobody to battle me. And I love battling. That's what made me get excited.

[Memphis Bleak]

So I'm like, damn, I got nobody to battle because I battled myself. Ah, that's dope, man. Cash, you different, my yo. When people speak of Philly legends, man, in. In the history in the Philly and everything, where you think your name should be brought up among the Philly legends?

[Cassidy]

Well, it's a lot of Philly legends. Before we talk about me, just shout out to the Philly legends, man. All of the lives that put in the work, man.

[Memphis Bleak]

Well, you got the whole. You got state property, Beanie Siegel. You got what's. What's. The homies that had the first record put.

[Cassidy]

Philly Most Wanted.

[Memphis Bleak]

Philly Most wanted. You got Kelly and them.

[Cassidy]

Yeah, that's major figures. Yeah, you got. You got Ram Squad. You got.

[Memphis Bleak]

Forgot about Ram Squad.

[Cassidy]

It's a lot of people from Philly, though. You got Will Smith. You got Eve. You got Bahama Dia.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, Bahama Dia was shit. She was spitting. Yeah, you got what you feel. Wait, before you answer that question, what you feel about Will Smith? Latest bars.

[Cassidy]

I just. I was a super fan of Will Smith when I was, like, a kid, like a baby.

[Memphis Bleak]

He's one of the biggest entertainers in the world, but I'm talking about his rap that.

[Cassidy]

I'm just happy he's still being active, still rapping. You know what I mean? He's still. He doing it all, man. He just got the world, bro. You can't. It's different when Will rap, man. It's like you can say the same line as a million other or a billion other people, but it's just gonna hit different when Will say it.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, it's Will, man. I. I think. I think it's more or less that. That's the point, that, yo, that's Will Smith. He's fucking rapping no matter what he said.

[Cassidy]

Same thing with your OG Same thing with hov. It's like, you know, he's super lyrical. He's super nice. But the advantage he got is he could say other things that a billion other niggas could have said the same thing, and it just won't hit the same. It's just him how he say it, and you just visualize him. It just hit different, you know what I'm saying? So I think that's the advantage. Will got just happy. Still rapping still. I mean, doing this thing, representing for the city.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, but like I said, back to the question. Where you think your name should be put amongst the greats of Philadelphia?

[Cassidy]

It depends on what you talking about. If you talking about bars, number one. Ooh, yeah. If you talking about just bars lyrics, like, just that number one talk that, man. Yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

I mean, but just as an overall.

[Cassidy]

Artist, talking about actual success and being, like, popular, like a household name, that's arguable. And if you want to just talk about rap, because it's other, like, you know, you got Jill Scott, you got other people that don't rap. But if you just talking rap, you know, I mean, Patti LaBelle, man.

[Memphis Bleak]

Come on.

[Cassidy]

That's what I'm saying.

[Memphis Bleak]

Her pie more lint than us Delphonics.

[Cassidy]

I You tell. I told you my first manager, like, artists like that. But if we just talking rap, I'm definitely Mount Rushmore.

[Memphis Bleak]

Teddy from. From Philly.

[Cassidy]

The only Black Thought.

[Memphis Bleak]

Nah, you ain't nice. You ain't with black.

[Cassidy]

The only people that you could only put in these in. In. In the Mount Rushmore is for. So, like, if you was to do that, like, you could do a black thought. You could do like a Beanie Seagull. And like, the newer generation might do me beat, but who else gotta be.

[Memphis Bleak]

You as you up there. The fourth Mount Rushmore.

[Cassidy]

Yeah, I feel like. Yeah, I'm saying I'm already edged in stone in the city with rap. Like, when they come to bars and just getting busy and just being competitive, that's a fact. Your name like everybody else do different. Like, I mean, Black Thought get busy lyrically. I mean, he embodies some.

[Memphis Bleak]

Black boy is the nicest from Philly.

[Cassidy]

The band, the whole, like, with him.

[Memphis Bleak]

I mean, that go rhyme about anything.

[Cassidy]

He the dopest man.

[Memphis Bleak]

No, seriously, he could freestyle rob about.

[Cassidy]

But Black Thought is like my inspiration, too. Like the Roots Dice Raw. Like them was going crazy before I was on. Like, I was like a kid listening to them in the alleyway, just listening to them. So they, like, inspired me to want to do my thing. So I would never, like, like, be Able to compete with the Roots because they was way they was on compete with the Roots. Same thing with Beanie. Like I told you when I first met Beans, he was about to put me on that. I piss on your grave. He was already owned on his thing when we first seen each other, of course, I was on the Cipher and I was lit and that's what he knew me from. But that's just a radio competition with me battling. I have no real nothing to generate no publishing, you know what I'm saying? He was already yawned on his thing and was ready to put me on the record. So he's before me, right? You know what I'm saying? So it's like.

[Memphis Bleak]

Speaking of Beans, man, take away from.

[Cassidy]

What Gilly and the Major Figures did. They was before me, bro.

[Memphis Bleak]

Like, I'm in the street, he got busy.

[Cassidy]

AB Lava from Major Figures. When I'm a little kid listening to my raps, giving me inspiration. He already old driving around in truck trucks and doing. And he picking me up. I'm a young boy. Yeah, I just seen him the other day. He from like an avenue. He like from a block up. He was the first one doing that double time fast ramen that everybody do now. He was killing. Used to show me AR got busy. No, AR is after that. Dutch from Major Figures.

[Memphis Bleak]

Dutch guys.

[Cassidy]

I used to be on like, Dutch wanted me to be in the Figures and then another group that he was in, like, that's how. How close I am with these Philly.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, Dutch made up a fake battle.

[Cassidy]

Once I got on. Once I got on and I got the opportunity, that's when I put ar on. You know what I'm saying? Ar on obh the rest of them. And that's how started to know ob.

[Memphis Bleak]

You put ar on. I didn't know that.

[Cassidy]

Yeah, I put ar on to the. To the world, like. I mean, he had a little buzz down Allegheny Way from. And know he can rap. But to the world, to everybody knowing who AR is, I'm being a household name, man.

[Memphis Bleak]

N. That's dope, man. That's what's up, man. What's next for Cass, man? Musically, business wise, family wise. What's next? What's next? You want the people to know that you got coming out or you're working on.

[Cassidy]

I'm always working, man. Unfortunately, the last battle I had couldn't get completed.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, easy the Block niggas about to brawl on the block.

[Cassidy]

I've been dropping a lot of diss records towards him.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, I just seen another one.

[Cassidy]

Yeah, I'm just focusing on him. I've been dropping a lot of records, like the start 2026, just to show people that bars is back. And I'm active everything360. So it's been a time when bars was super active. Like back when we first started, it was all revolved around bars. It felt like you couldn't even get a spot if you couldn't rap rap. But then it went to some other. It was more about dance and the beat per minute and like. But now it's always going 360. It's gonna come back. And that's why I was telling people bars is back. So now people was like a few years ago, like bars dead. Don't nobody want to hear that no more. That is over. But now it seemed like that's all that got people attention is a being original, a having bars, a talking some crazy about a different like. Like, like, man, all them other. It's all about us. That's right back to that. But that's how it used to be. So it's 360 in again. And now it's back to where people that grew up off that could capitalize. That's a fact. I'm saying. So it's seeming like, like the. Like us that came up in that time and survived, we like geniuses now. So like the information that we got is super valuable to the people that's trying to figure it out now. Because bar bars is back.

[Memphis Bleak]

Your game is to be sold, not told. You already know. So when it's all said and done, man, and. And you kick back, retired kids, grown grandchildren, what do you want? The legacy of Cassidy bars People to.

[Cassidy]

Say, that's what I was born with. That's my name. Barrett Barry, Adrian Reese, Bars, man just. He just focused on saying crazy consistently forever. That's what I want people to remember me by. And then I tried to always, like, work, man. Even when I'm talking to legends, older rappers, I'm working, I'm talking to new. They could be a PG Battle rapper. And I'm still. I got wild bars to hear you. Let me hear something. What you working on? I just want people to remember me as being like a workaholic. Like how they kind of remember Tupac.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's right.

[Cassidy]

Yo, when you was in the studio with him, it was no games. I told you that one time I fell asleep in the john with rza. But that's when I was like super young, like a teenager. But since then, I've been up ever since. So it's like people know when they get in the studio with me. I don't play no games. I'm constantly working. I don't talk and joke and play video games and all that. I'm constantly focusing on making that crack, you know what I'm saying? So I want to just remember me by that. Like, his work ethic was incredible and all he was focusing on is saying the best that he could possibly say. And if I leave that behind, I know a. That know a live like that gonna just do the best that he could possibly do to just keep taking this to the next level.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's a fact, man. That's what's up. Cass, I appreciate you pulling up, man. From day one, you always been rock solid. Always been a real to me, man. I watch your battles, I stream all your music. I watch everything you do. My just know we tapped in in. And from my big homie, the one advice he gave me, whether 11000 or 1 million, just know somebody tapped in. Always remember I'm tapped in my.

[Cassidy]

And you want to know what? The big homie ll gave me some advice. When I was in the student, when I told you I seen Holly Berry for the first time, the advice he.

[Memphis Bleak]

Gave me, that's legendary.

[Cassidy]

He said, yo. He said, yo, I. I've been paying attention to you. He like, yo, you told. You said I was taking off my shirt on my ja rule. He said the same. Like, I've been, I've been peeping you the. The women with you. I mean, you got your going on. He like, but the only advice I'm gonna give you is stay off them hard drugs, bro. Yo, he's like, yo, you start using them hard drugs, them shit's gonna make you look old.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's right.

[Cassidy]

Ladies that with you, they ain't gonna.

[Memphis Bleak]

With you no more. That's right.

[Cassidy]

He said, but if you stay out the hard drugs. He said, me? Yeah, we stopped at the liquor store, I grabbed some. I drink, you know, I mean, I see you smoking. That's light, right? About the hard drugs. That's right. Like, you stay off them hard drugs and you stay in shape. Ladies gonna love you forever, bro.

[Memphis Bleak]

It's a fact.

[Cassidy]

You never gonna stop loving you. I don't care how old you get, you stay like this, you stay looking the same, they gonna love you forever.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's a fact.

[Cassidy]

So I took that, I took heed to that, man. And that's why, like, when you see me now, you could look at one of my old videos like hotel and look at me now and I'm still looking the same. Like it ain't like I made some crazy alteration. It's like it's the same. That's right, cuz. I took LL Advice. So shout out to the goat.

[Memphis Bleak]

You hear that, kids? Stay off the hard drugs. 13 looking 45. Stay off the hard drugs. It's rock solid. We here?

[Cassidy]

Yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

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