Cory Gunz | ROC Solid w/ Memphis Bleek

Summary

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ROC Solid w/ Memphis Bleek: Cory Gunz (November 18, 2025)

Main Theme:
Hip-hop legends Memphis Bleek and Cory Gunz break down untold Roc-A-Fella stories, industry moves, lyrical influences, the Young Money run, and the responsibility of keeping New York’s essence alive in rap. It's a raw, familial conversation about coming up in hip-hop, success, evolving, and what’s next—for both artists and the culture.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Giving Flowers & Mutual Influence

Timestamps: 04:28–07:34

• Cory Gunz opens by giving props to Memphis Bleek’s new album and legacy:
  • "The outro, you talking that.. the intro, you talking that. 'You Should Know By Now' is probably my favorite song of the year, my brother."
    — Cory Gunz (04:36)
• Bleek shares how fans wanted closure with his music as he matured:
  • "You put out all dope albums. But...you left us hanging. You never gave us no closure." (04:56)
• Gunz discusses early influences, studying Memphis Bleek’s music and ciphers, and how Bleek shaped the street sound:
  • "All your beats, you got the air that pick the beats the streets and people want to rap to." (06:43)
• Both reflect on full-circle moments, especially with their fathers’ support, highlighting familial and generational ties in hip-hop.

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2. Coming Up at Baseline, the Roc-A-Fella Experience

Timestamps: 07:35–13:44

• Cory recounts being signed young (17) and the heavy presence at Baseline studios:
  • Surrounded by heavyweights—Jay-Z, Young Guru, Saigon, True Life, J. Cole, Wale, Jeezy.
• Gunz details lessons from Jay and Bleek, especially about financial literacy:
  • "You get your money, get your property, get that crib ... make sure that shit is better than when you went there...you sell it for more." (10:43)
• The studio atmosphere: a place of silence and learning for Cory, absorbing game and history—inclusive of legendary moments like Jay recording "Go Crazy" (14:12).

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3. Lyrical Style: Being Ahead of the Game

Timestamps: 15:02–17:39

• Bleek and Cory dive deep into rhyme style—feeling misunderstood at times, being called too "sophisticated":
  • "It’s certain ways you got to do certain things...I don’t think people are stupid though."
    — Cory Gunz (16:00–17:15)
• The conversation compares Jay-Z’s "money talk" being misunderstood to Cory’s lyrical density.
• Bleek praises Cory’s verse on "A Milli", and they break down wordplay:
  • "Word to my mama, I’m out of my llama bean. You don't know what the Dramamine..." (18:56)
  • Cory shares the backstory—Dramamine was for car sickness as a child, showing how real-life influences bars (19:12–20:29).

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4. Young Money, The Industry, and Career Expectations

Timestamps: 27:59–31:51

• Bleek clarifies: Cory’s legacy predates and transcends his Young Money association.
• Cory shares the real story of how Wayne personally reached out—pulling up to his block, showing genuine interest but respecting his Roc ties:
  • "He was like, 'I ain’t stepping on the big homie toes...whatever you need from me, we got you.'" (31:05)
• They discuss catching industry "waves," and how the commercial explosion of Nicki Minaj and Drake made it hard for other Young Money artists to get the same push—a parallel to Bleek’s own Roc-A-Fella experience (33:01–35:11).

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5. Defining Success & the Next Chapter

Timestamps: 35:11–38:27

• Mutual respect and recognition from the "goats" means more to Cory than numbers:
  • "Everybody that I listened to growing up and that inspired and influenced me told me I was dope." (35:40)
• Cory’s new goal: “I want to be the reason somebody’s great. I want to inspire.” (37:10)

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6. New York’s Impact & Legacy

Timestamps: 38:27–44:14

• Extended homage to NY spitters, the pressure of coming from the BX/Brooklyn:
  • Bleek: "It’s only one other artist...that got the illest flows other than you...Big Daddy Kane is number one..." (38:27)
  • "When you come from New York, your skin is a different level of tough." — Cory Gunz (42:55)

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7. Club Culture, City Stories & Touring Tales

Timestamps: 44:14–49:41

• Club memories: from the Tunnel to Skate Key and Speed; reminiscing about “Mine Right” blowing up and what makes a hit in NYC.
  • "That was the moment when I knew I’m here." — Memphis Bleek (47:16)
• Cory shares he missed out on some classic club scenes due to age but absorbed NY lore through his pops and hip-hop.

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8. Global Hip-Hop & Travel

Timestamps: 58:31–66:11

• Cory is surprised at his following in Australia and Bleek affirms international love for real hip-hop.
• Travel stories and bucket list cities—Italy, Africa, and the importance of seeing the world beyond the stage.
• Bleek: "Success is happiness...as happy as you can be with the decisions and choices in life, where you at, that’s successful." (51:22)

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9. Future Moves, Business, and Giving Back

Timestamps: 49:41–54:10, 73:32–81:33

• Cory’s plans: more music, branching into film & food (wants to do something with pizza), and focusing on health and fitness.
• He intends to game up the next generation, pushing artists under his wing, and keeping his core team together ("the militia").
• Bleek and Cory reflect on business, real estate, and seizing opportunities in the culture beyond music—a masterclass in longevity.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Influence:
  "All your beats, for some reason you got the air that pick the beats the streets and people want to rap to."
  — Cory Gunz [06:43]

• On Real Advice:
  "You get your money, get your property, get that crib...make sure that shit is better...after you make it better, you sell it for more."
  — Memphis Bleek (as recalled by Gunz) [10:43]

• On Being Ahead:
  "Sometimes I did get a little discouraged when I hear somebody telling me, like, you got to chill, slow down...but I don’t think people are stupid though."
  — Cory Gunz [16:57]

• On Respect from Legends:
  "Everybody that I listen to, that inspired me and influenced me in ways, I was able to...hear them or see them...say, 'you know, that nigga is different. He nice.'"
  — Cory Gunz [36:38]

• On Club Pressure:
  "You ain’t never heard a play with Corey. Not no gun. They play with guns, but they don’t play with these guns."
  — Memphis Bleek [41:19]

• On NY Scene:
  "When you come from New York, your skin is a different level of tough ... If you able to make it, your skin is a different level of tough."
  — Cory Gunz [42:55]

• On Defining Success:
  "Success is happiness. If you could go to sleep with a smile on your face and know you did everything you wanted to do...that’s success."
  — Memphis Bleek [51:22]

• On Inspiration and Legacy:
  "My main thing I always want to do: I want to be the reason that somebody is great. I want to inspire."
  — Cory Gunz [37:10]

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What’s New & What’s Next

Cory Gunz:

• Releasing “Lucy Pack 4” [52:02]
• Working on new music, with bro Wayne (Lil Wayne) and his team (“the militia”—Reese, Dash, Lansky, Whispers).
• Pursuing business ventures: film, food (pizza), and health/fitness.
• "I want to tap into films...food...working out...health and fitness...pizza and some movies—my two biggest things." [49:41]

Memphis Bleek:

• Pushing his album, reflecting on legacy, and considering a collaborative project (possibly with Cool & Dre).

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Giving Flowers & Influence: 04:28–07:34
• Baseline/Roc-A-Fella Stories: 07:35–13:44
• Advice & Jay-Z Memories: 10:43–14:56
• Rhyme Sophistication & A Milli: 15:02–22:45
• Young Money & Industry: 27:59–35:24
• Defining Success & Goals: 35:11–38:27, 37:10
• New York Hip-Hop / Legacy: 38:27–44:14
• Club Stories & Touring: 44:14–49:41
• Future Moves / Business: 49:41–54:10
• Travel, Life Lessons: 58:31–66:11
• Mentorship & Legacy: 73:32–81:33

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Final Vibe

The episode is a masterclass in hip-hop heritage—intimate, playful, and real. Bleek and Gunz trade gems, celebrate New York’s unique pressure-cooker influence, honor their families, and pave the way for those coming up. It’s all about passing down knowledge, upholding authenticity, and staying "ROC Solid"—no matter how the industry or life shifts.

"You my brother for life. It’s militia forever...You always a roc boy."
— Memphis Bleek (85:43)

Listen if you care about hip-hop legacy, real talk, and the threads that bind the game together.

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Transcript

[Corey Guns]

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[Josh Zieman]

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[Maggie Freeling]

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[Memphis Bleak]

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[Maggie Freeling]

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[Corey Guns]

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[Josh Zieman]

Plus the Miami chief stops by.

[Corey Guns]

If you are not an oyster lover, don't even talk to me.

[Memphis Bleak]

Ancient Athenians used to scratch names onto.

[Corey Guns]

Oyster shells to vote politicians into exile.

[Memphis Bleak]

So our word ostracize is related to the word oyster.

[Corey Guns]

No way.

[Memphis Bleak]

Bring back the ostrichon.

[Maggie Freeling]

Listen to Hungry for history on the iHeartrad app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. In early 1988, federal agents raced to track down the gang they suspect of importing millions of dollars worth of heroin into New York from Asia.

[Memphis Bleak]

Had 30 agents ready to go with shotguns and rifles and you name it.

[Corey Guns]

Five, six white people pushed me in the car. I'm going, what the hell? Basically, your stay at home moms were picking up these large amounts of heroin. All you gotta do is receive the package. Don't have to open it, just accept it. She was very upset, Crying. Once I saw the gun, I tried to take his hand and I saw the flash of light.

[Maggie Freeling]

Listen to the Chinatown sting on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or anywhere you get your podcasts.

[Memphis Bleak]

What up, y'? All? This your main man, Memphis Bleak, right here. Welcome to Rock Solid, a production of iHeartRadio and the Black Effect Network, in partnership with my guys over at Drink Champs. Big whipping. Yeah, Memphis, I'm back at it. Notice the difference. Just more grown. Prezi, no stones. Yeah, y', all, you already know what it is. Yours truly, M. Greasy, back with another exclusive. Rock Solid, brought to you by Doucet. Always the smoothest cognac to drink when you toast it to your success. You know what it is? We got a special. My brother. I want to say, my little brother. My little man. Cause you not. You just my brother. From your pops to you. Y', all my family. You was Rockefeller, young money, one of the best fucking spitters from the bx. Harlem, Brooklyn, Queens. I don't know. You could place this nigga in any borough. Niggas ain't fucking with him. You know what I'm saying? And they don't know that. We really, really family, man. Welcome, my bro, Corey Guns to the motherfucker.

[Corey Guns]

You know that.

[Memphis Bleak]

My bro.

[Corey Guns]

Always super proud.

[Memphis Bleak]

Word up. How you been, my G?

[Corey Guns]

I'm good. First of all, shout out to your album, bro.

[Memphis Bleak]

Oh, my, my. Appreciate that. Yeah, you hit me when it dropped like, yo, Blizz.

[Corey Guns]

I listened to it consecutively. I' ma tell you, my. Like, I love everything, my brother. The outro, you talking that the intro you talking that. You should know by now is probably my favorite song of the year, my brother. Like, that's my shit.

[Memphis Bleak]

Appreciate that, man.

[Corey Guns]

For real. And you just put the video out. So I'm tapped in, you know that. Yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

Apartment 3D, man. Make sure y' all check that out, man. In stores. Like, I put my all into that one. Like, I felt like, shit mean. This is my last hurrah. My man, my dog Cheech told me, he was like, yo, Bleek. Like, I'm a real fan. I grew up with you, your career, you did your thing. You put out all dope albums. But I felt like, as a fan, you left us hanging. You never gave us no closure. Like, you was talking that young shit with us. But then you grew up and never told us how to be Grown with you.

[Corey Guns]

Nah. Yeah, that's crazy.

[Memphis Bleak]

And I was like, damn, that's crazy.

[Corey Guns]

I got the. I'm gonna tell you some ill right. My dad from when I was a baby bro. Like, I'm not gonna lie. As soon as he saw me like be like realizing or as soon as he realized I was in the rap, he made me study, bro.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's right.

[Corey Guns]

Horse Hov of course is the main. Like, he made me listen and understand and even like grow to understand what he was saying. If I didn't at the time, bro, I didn't been my pops attest to it. He'll tell you I didn't been the same goody with him to buy your albums.

[Memphis Bleak]

My brother, I appreciate you, but it's not an interview about me.

[Corey Guns]

It's not about tell you that Flowers. At the same time though, your influence on the culture and your impact on a lot of people here as well too, bro. Cause get that kind of like, not twisted. They know it. But if they don't hear people that.

[Memphis Bleak]

And they just don't want to admit it, man. You know what I mean? That's what I always say, you know, I always say they go, give me my flowers when I'm gone. They go, that's when I'm at my own day in Brooklyn. They gonna give me loyalty day.

[Corey Guns]

Like. Like, I heard Rel say it. Like, I don't know if you know the impact of when you. Yeah, it's a right verse, bro. That was one of the verses that made me want to rap as well, bro. That verse is really important to me.

[Memphis Bleak]

I was gonna ask you that too.

[Corey Guns]

Like before coming to age. Cause I didn't understand it at the time.

[Memphis Bleak]

I'm.

[Corey Guns]

I'm the kid. I was. I was nine years old listening to Crack Game. Somehow the rap game remind me of. I'm trying to break that down and rap and try to explain to my friends how crazy the beat is and what he's saying. And it's. I'm non. So it's like, yo, bro, the coming to a everything like that I heard from you your influences. Yet I don't know if you know, you probably one of them. The people with the most consecutive cipher beats for niggas in the streets from that ass, bro. All your beats that you. For some reason you got the. The air that pick the beats the streets and people want to rap to that really. Rapping is really on hip hop. I used to have to come outside every day and rap to mind, right. I used to have to come Outside every day and rap the men. Bleak ass. I used to have to come out and do that, bro.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's what's up.

[Corey Guns]

I remember having to go get the. Not like. Yeah. Having to. Cause my pops, I told him we gotta go get this album.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's my brother, man.

[Corey Guns]

Think of that.

[Memphis Bleak]

Pops used to always be on me. Oblique, man, you doing your thing. Stay at it. Don't stop every time. I used to see them, you know? Cause Jay and them used to have shows together. We was on the come up. They was performing together. So we used to be touring together. And I used to be with Pops, and he used to always give me the game, yo. Study your craft, practice your flow. Stay in the studio. Never stop, man. Like, you know what I mean? All the time. Like, if people don't know that, full circle, you know what I'm saying? That OG always held me down and gave game. Like, yo, what you doing? Yo, come fuck with us. Cause you know, n. I was young. I was the young homie. So, you know, guns, he held me down. Black, bleak. And a lot of people in the industry. That's why I'm glad I got this show, because I'm able to show the relationships that I got with we family.

[Corey Guns]

You know that.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's what I'm saying. Would never think that, bro. Like, I love y'.

[Josh Zieman]

All.

[Memphis Bleak]

Like, you know what I mean? Like, y' all from the X. They know Brooklyn and BX usually don't with each other, but they do. Yeah, they don't.

[Corey Guns]

But they do.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's a fact.

[Corey Guns]

Because we got so much similarities that they don't admit it. Like, everybody on my family from Brooklyn, even, they like, yo.

[Memphis Bleak]

Well, we the same, yo, all day, yg. But you answered one of my questions on what? Like, what made you get into the rap? That's crazy. You said I was an influence, man. You fucking blew my mind with that. Absolutely. But, yo, like, you was around, like, what, 16, 15 when you signed with Rockefeller, when we was on doing the ding and bass line and shit.

[Corey Guns]

Yeah, 17.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah.

[Corey Guns]

Jay just got the president shout out to Jay, man.

[Memphis Bleak]

I remember when you got your deal, my nigga.

[Corey Guns]

Like, it was lit.

[Memphis Bleak]

Celebrating baseline. Like, oh, we bout to kill him. Rest in peace. K Slay. We went to K Slay, went up there freestyle, my G. We did so many. We did like, about four or five records, I don't think.

[Corey Guns]

Got some shit.

[Memphis Bleak]

Word up.

[Corey Guns]

Nah, we got some joints up there.

[Memphis Bleak]

Word up, my nigga. We cooked some shit, my nigga. We was in there going camp.

[Corey Guns]

That Was crazy.

[Memphis Bleak]

And this was at the same time when Saigon. True life. Everybody was getting they deal and coming up, man, how do you feel your impact or. You know what I mean? What was the pressure like for you at that moment?

[Corey Guns]

You gotta think of who I'm around and what I'm around. Everybody. You just named y', all. So it's like. It's like, yo, I can't. I gotta. I gotta pull up on my A game every day, every trip, every time. I was always a fly on the wall over there and always looking. And I remember we did a session one day. This is the. This is the history. Like, this is the ill that I could say I've been around like that. I ain't never gonna forget. I'm out. I'm in the stool with Goo. Shout out the Guru. Shout out y' all who don't know I'm talking about young Guru. He is a. I would say a big. A big brother to me, but I respect him more like an uncle. Like, he. He don't understand that his respect exceeds a brother to me. Like, he's. I listen. I take his advice. And, bro, I was in there for. When Jay did the joint for Go Crazy. We was all in there.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, yeah.

[Corey Guns]

I was mixing it.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah.

[Corey Guns]

You told me in that session, you say, yo, this is 20 years ago. He was like, yo, you get the bag, you get a deal. Don't go buying the jury. Don't go buy the clothes, don't go buy whatever. The car is out. You get your money, get your property, get that crib you put. You hook that crib up or whatever, you flip that property or you get whatever you got to do to make sure that shit is better than when you went there. After you make it better, you sell it for more. And you keep doing that.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's right.

[Corey Guns]

I never forget that you told me that shit then. And I was looking at you at the time, I'm like, I ain't even thinking that far yet. But at the time for you to say that to me, it was like, yo, that's some ill. No, I was just learning the game that's going on and everything. But. But for you to choose to share that. Yeah, no, say it to me at that time. I didn't forget it. Even if I didn't know what it meant or nothing. And so the impact of words from people who inspire and influence and who you look at a certain way now, that's a fact. It could go.

[Memphis Bleak]

I always.

[Corey Guns]

Now I'm late 30s, yo, and I'm listening and still hearing you say that shit.

[Memphis Bleak]

So niggas like you and young Chris, y' all niggas cheated, man. How these niggas been in the game 20 plus years is still 30.

[Corey Guns]

How.

[Memphis Bleak]

How what the was going on? These niggas got the OG Bag and still could get the young nigga bag. Like, that's insane to come outside acting. Ah, old man. No, no, no. You Pat. No, no. What? You on the fourth floor out of here.

[Corey Guns]

Go back.

[Memphis Bleak]

If you go to the third floor, we with you.

[Corey Guns]

You just blessed, bro.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's a blessing, man, to be in the game.

[Corey Guns]

So, yeah, y' all on the radio. Y' all listen. Y' all don't have any stuff, and I'm listening to y'.

[Memphis Bleak]

All.

[Corey Guns]

I've been messing with Powder since I put it in my pampas. His lines. I remember. I remember where I was at when I heard you on the radio. I had it on tapes.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, man.

[Corey Guns]

Recording that.

[Memphis Bleak]

Like, that crazy. Like, all the nights in the studio, like, is it anything you feel like you left on the table from the time with Def Jam when Jay was up there.

[Corey Guns]

I know the only thing that I'm. That I think of. We got a lot of good, great, great. I don't want to say good, great music.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's a fact.

[Corey Guns]

I don't think I left none on the table because I learned a lot and I was given the opportunity and I was able to be around y'. All. That learned. That helped me learn a lot, see a lot. I picked up a lot. Like, even what Being quiet or just being there and being around helped me see a lot. Like.

[Memphis Bleak]

But you was a quiet sessions.

[Corey Guns]

Coles came through.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah. That's what Cole and Wale was just getting on to. You was around at the. At the very beginning. Yes. Baseline was the Mecca.

[Corey Guns]

What? Everybody was there, so I was just. I'm like, what? It's just blazing here. Any other day is random. Like, Jake, I'll be in them. In the lab. Them days. Jay put the call in and was like, yo, bro, I'm about to come up here. Gotta go. Or whatever.

[Memphis Bleak]

B room. Yeah. We get kicked out the A room. That's a fact.

[Corey Guns]

Or whatever the case. Like, I've been around for all of that, and I've seen it, and I'm. I. I've been able firsthand. Then you gotta realize I'm still from the fan era. So I'm seeing a lot of this. I'm hearing about it. I'm seeing it in movie time. I'm seeing Stuff like, I remember my pops coming home, explaining to me why they were standing with. He was like, yo, we standing with Jay, man. Like, he was boycotting the Grammys.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yep, yep.

[Corey Guns]

Came home and explained to me why. Because they didn't go up or accept or do nothing at the time they was nominated. At the same time, he was like, nah, we standing with Jay. Like, we talk about or nothing. Like, we going, nah, that. Like, so I remember that, like, we being in the living room waiting to see them on tv, and they don't even come on or nothing. And what he stood for and all. Like, when they explained it, I'm like, hell, yeah. Like, so it's just. It's moments and things like that that I'll remember and I'll never forget. Like, and then being around and being. To see that come to fruition and being in the around at the same time. A lot of these verses being recorded. Like, that go crazy verse. Crazy is the one of the craziest verses I heard.

[Memphis Bleak]

And shout out. Young Jeezy. He was in the studio too. He came through.

[Corey Guns]

That was crazy, though. That verse was ridiculous.

[Memphis Bleak]

And Jay wrote that in thin air. Like, in thin air. Like, literally. Jeezy came through, played the joint. Word came through, played the joint. We smoked a couple. Jay, like, I got it done. Crazy, bro. Oh, no, that's like, hov was a. Was a magician, man. But you, You. I always felt like your rhyme style was just next level, bro. Did you feel like at any point was you ahead of what people were accepting?

[Corey Guns]

Yeah, sometimes. I ain't gonna lie. Sometimes I did. But then I'm like, yo, I don't. I didn't at the time understand a lot of the. The business and how certain things went. I didn't understand. You gotta, like, it's certain. It's certain ways. You gotta. Presentation is key. Everything is key. Like, you got a certain ways you got to do certain things.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah.

[Corey Guns]

So I'm like, yo, I'm rapping this way on this level and this. And nobody Internet. So it's been times where I'm like, maybe I'm just too. Like, nobody understands it whether it's yet or they just never gonna get it. Whether I may. I may be out of. Out of style. I may be not. They don't get it yet. I may be like, I don't know what it is, but it's been times I thought that way. And then I'm like, like, everybody that I listen to and look up to has their own unique traits and their own processes and their own ways of moving and doing the things they do. They have their own skill set for a reason. They have their own whatever, you know what I'm saying? I make them who they are. That make them unique. The unique individuals they are creatively. So I just tap in with that shit. Like, I don't really get too caught up in thinking of what I should be doing as far as being like, the next person. Cause they them. They who they are for a reason.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's a fact.

[Corey Guns]

So sometimes I did get a little discouraged when I hear somebody telling me, like, you gotta chill, slow down as far as the tempo or rapping wise, it's like, yeah, I get that. But when it's like, yo, you gotta kinda like your shit is a little too sophisticated. It's like, yo, bro, I don't think people are stupid though.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's right.

[Corey Guns]

So it's hard for me to like, you know what I'm saying?

[Memphis Bleak]

Not stupid. So how can you write something dumb?

[Corey Guns]

Think is. I don't think I'm smarter than everybody else. Like, I think people will get what I'm doing. That's why I'm doing it, for them to get it. Like, I don't. I don't think as far as some people always had kind of. I don't know, right. But some certain shit is like, it's a timing thing with me now.

[Memphis Bleak]

Nah, nah, I feel you.

[Corey Guns]

Like, everything is when it's supposed to happen is going to.

[Memphis Bleak]

And that's a fact. Like, I'm a firm believer what's for you is for you. And it will come to you eventually, no matter how. How much. How long it takes. But what made me ask you that question is because I feel like you and Jay were in the same. It's like you in the same position that he was in when he started. You know what I mean? Like, he was like, people didn't understand the money talk then. They didn't get it. They felt like he was showing off, you know what I'm saying? Like, they thought, what are you talking about? What's this? And now N is listening and be like, yo, bro, he wasn't talking about this on reasonable. There's no fucking way. Nigga been talking about this for 30 years and I'm just now understanding it. I feel like that's how they gonna be with you. Like. Cause, yo, bro, I don't want to fast forward, but I'm gonna be all the way honest. Your Ameli verse to me is one of the hardest verses. Spit right, but you Know, I just probably, like last year understood the intro of that verse for a minute. I didn't know what you were saying. Cause you said word to my mama. I'm out of my llama bean. You don't know what the drama mean. I didn't know what Dramamine was at the time. So I'm like, okay. He put drama and Dramamine, all right? He did his thing. I go on the road with somebody in a pop Dramamine. And I'm like, wait a wait, Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Go back to a Millie.

[Corey Guns]

Yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

She's like, nah, yeah, nah. This wasn't on this. This long ago. That's what I'm telling you.

[Corey Guns]

I used to have to take that.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yes.

[Corey Guns]

So I'm like, on boats and. Yeah, I used to get car sick back.

[Memphis Bleak]

Oh.

[Corey Guns]

Like when I was a kid, I used to get car sick bad. And I used to have to be on the road a lot. Going down south with my grandparents. Yeah, we used to go down south every summer. Like, nothing to talk about. We going. We going for sure.

[Memphis Bleak]

We don't care how sick you get.

[Corey Guns]

I know it might be a month, two, three months. Maybe early, maybe late, but we definitely going at some point. We're going to Virginia. I used to be on the road six, seven hours and be sick. They gotta pull over. I'm throwing up. They found that I was taking that and be good. So after a while, I just got. I didn't get motion sickness.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Corey Guns]

So I knew. I remembered that from having to take that shit so much. And I know that it was just from the motion. Yeah. Shaking from.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yo, bro, I never heard of that drug until I went on the road with. I ain't gonna say no names. Cause I got chewed up last time I bought this. Like, yo, you dissing me So I can't even. I gotta keep it, like, anonymous, allegedly. You know what I mean? And they popped the dream of me. I'm like, what's that for? And they said, everything you say, yo, for motion sickness. I don't like sitting in the back of the car. This and this. Yo, we on the boat. They need it.

[Corey Guns]

I'm like, that's what I said.

[Memphis Bleak]

Never heard of. And I'm telling you, only place I ever heard that word mentioned was a Millie.

[Corey Guns]

I was.

[Memphis Bleak]

And I had to go back and I.

[Corey Guns]

What's the name? That was the middle of my verse. When I wrote that verse with him, like, I wrote it. He played me the song. Already done. Like people be. A lot of people begin. Screw like. Yo, you write for him?

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah. A lot of people thought people help.

[Corey Guns]

Wayne.

[Memphis Bleak]

Wayne just nice, man.

[Corey Guns]

Dead nice, man.

[Memphis Bleak]

Wayne just nice.

[Corey Guns]

He played that done already. He had his three verse. It was three verses on the record. He played me the whole song one time already before I wrote my verse.

[Memphis Bleak]

So he gave you a cheat code? Because usually don't do that. He did Come closer, Come closer. Come closer to them.

[Corey Guns]

He played it straight through one time for me to get where he like. I don't know if he played all three or he played like a couple.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah.

[Corey Guns]

He like, yo, bro, this is it. Like this. This is how it sound. This is what I'm doing on here. So I'm like, all right. I know he just aired this out.

[Memphis Bleak]

What I'm gonna do.

[Corey Guns]

I gotta air this out. Like, you know what I'm saying? It's like, I heard that. I gotta it. I can't, like, so I wrote two in my head. I'm like, I'm gonna write two verses. I'm gonna write one where I'm just punching. And that was the first part of the one I wrote. Then the second one I was like, I'm just do me on the second part, like. So in the middle of the verse is when you hear me say nigga word in my mama. I do a whole verse before that. And then I cut myself off on some. Like, I'm skitsoning some other. And yeah, so that's the second part of the verse I did is when he was like, yo, come up. I'm like, yo, you want me to do it over? I gotta rewrite, do another one. He's like, come out right now. It's done. You don't even know, like. So I'll go out. He like, yo, this is it. We using it. That's it. You don't gotta go in there. Nothing else. Are you sure? He like, this is it.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's it. That was it. He was right.

[Corey Guns]

He did it and that was it. He called it. He picked a spot of the verse every, like, the part as far as, like, the part he wanted to cut it at, which, like, energy wise, everything, like, he knew what he wanted from the record. So he picked that spot, did everything.

[Memphis Bleak]

Like, man, that's what's up, man.

[Coca Cola Announcer]

What a matchup we got, y'.

[Corey Guns]

All.

[Coca Cola Announcer]

This is that classic HBCU vibe. Non stop action. The band is rocking and the crowd lit. Chance echo drum beat everybody showing that school pride. A game like this, yeah, it calls for an ice cold Coca Cola. Ah, Crisp and refreshing. That's A game changer right there. Yeah, that taste always hits the right note, just like the band at halftime. And just like that, we're back at it. Passionate fans, school colors every everywhere. And in ice cold Coca Cola, that's a winning combo, no matter the sport, no matter the yard. Everybody knows fan work is thirsty work. So grab a Coca Cola and keep that HBCU pride going.

[Josh Zieman]

A decade ago, I was on the trail of one of the country's most elusive serial killers. But it wasn't until 2023 when he was finally caught, the answers were there, hidden in plain sight. So why did it take so long to catch him? I'm Josh Zieman, and this is Monster Hunting the Long Island Serial Killer, the investigation into the most notorious killer in New York since the Son of Sam. Available now listen for free on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your podcasts.

[Corey Guns]

All I know is what I've been told. And that to half truth is a whole lie.

[Maggie Freeling]

For almost a decade, the murder of an 18 year old girl from a small town in Graves County, Kentucky went unsolved until a local homemaker, a journalist and a handful of girls came forward with a story.

[Memphis Bleak]

I'm telling you, we know Quincy killed her.

[Maggie Freeling]

We know a story that law enforcement used to convict six people and that got the citizen investigator on national tv.

[Memphis Bleak]

Through sheer persistence and nerve, this Kentucky.

[Kyle McLaughlin]

Housewife helped give justice to Jessica Curran.

[Maggie Freeling]

My name is Maggie Freeling. I'm a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist producer and I wouldn't be here if the truth were that easy to find.

[Corey Guns]

I did not know her and I.

[Memphis Bleak]

Did not kill her or rape or.

[Corey Guns]

Burn or any of that other stuff that y' all said. They literally made me say that I took a match and struck and threw it on her. They made me say that I poured gas on her.

[Maggie Freeling]

From Lava for good. This is Graves County, a show about just how far our legal system will go in order to find someone to blame.

[Memphis Bleak]

America, y' all better wake the hell up. Bad things happens to good people and small towns.

[Maggie Freeling]

Listen to Graves county in the Bone Valley feed on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts and to binge the entire season ad free. Subscribe to Lava for Good plus on Apple Podcasts.

[Memphis Bleak]

May 24, 1990. A pipe bomb explodes in the front seat of environmental activist Judy Berry's car. I knew it was a bomb the.

[Maggie Freeling]

Second that it explained. I felt it rip through me with just a force more powerful and terrible than anything that I could Describe.

[Memphis Bleak]

In season two of Rip Current, we ask who tried to kill Judy Berry and why she received death threats before the bombing.

[Corey Guns]

She received more threats after the bombing. The men and women who were hurt.

[Kyle McLaughlin]

Had planned to lead a summer of.

[Corey Guns]

Militant protest against logging practices in Northern California.

[Memphis Bleak]

They were climbing trees and they were sabotaging logging equipment in the woods.

[Corey Guns]

The timber industry, I mean, it was the number one industry in the area. But more than it was the culture, it was the way of life.

[Memphis Bleak]

I think that this is a deliberate attempt to sabotage our movement. Episodes of rip current season two are available now. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Kyle McLaughlin]

Hey there. I'm Kyle McLaughlin. You might know me as that guy from Twin Peaks, Sex and the City, or just the Internet's dad. I have a new podcast called what Are We Even Doing? Where I embark on a noble quest to understand the brilliant chaos of youth culture.

[Memphis Bleak]

Daddy's looking good.

[Kyle McLaughlin]

Each week I invite someone fascinating to join me. Actors, musicians, creatives, highly evolved digital life forms. And we talk about what they love. Sometimes I'll drizzle a little honey in.

[Corey Guns]

There too, if I'm feeling sexy in the morning.

[Kyle McLaughlin]

What keeps them going?

[Memphis Bleak]

And you're maybe my biggest compliment competition.

[Corey Guns]

On social media, like when a kid.

[Kyle McLaughlin]

Says bra to me and how they're navigating this high speed roller coaster we call reality.

[Corey Guns]

In Australia, you're looking out for snakes.

[Memphis Bleak]

Spiders and boys, right? Hey, he's no Trey McDougall.

[Corey Guns]

Chill.

[Maggie Freeling]

This is like the comments section of my Instagram.

[Kyle McLaughlin]

Join me and my delightful guests every Thursday and let's get weird together in a good way. Listen to what are we even doing on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Memphis Bleak]

Wayne is definitely super talented, super dope, but yo, you know, a lot of people, you know, I even had J. Mills up here and you know, I see a lot of interviews with a lot of young money, a lot of young money artists. You know, people say, yo, how do you feel being from young money? You, I know you was down with young money, but I don't view you as from young money because you are and was who you was before you got the young money and still even after young money. So my question to you is, how did that relationship even form? Was it something that Wayne made a call to you like, yo, guns, I need you on the team. I need a shooter, I need a point guard, I need a shooting guard.

[Corey Guns]

Shout my bro. Busy, right? I didn't notice like, it was a couple times and a couple people that we knew mutually that would tell me that Wayne say, yo, bro, wanna holla at you. So I'm like, no, you don't. Like. You know what I'm saying? Come on. Hey, come on, bro. I ain't going for that.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's right.

[Corey Guns]

So it's. But it started coming from credible sources.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Corey Guns]

So now I'm like, what? One day I heard he. He actually pulled up to my block in. The ex came to the block, bro, and I wasn't there and told me, like, that was out there. Was like, yo, he pulled up, bro. Like, we saw him. They have a reason to lie about it. You know what I'm saying? Like, they're like, yo, now he pulled up, bro. Like, we saw that he was looking for you. Whatever.

[Memphis Bleak]

He wasn't here.

[Corey Guns]

I said what? He was like, yeah, my man busy, man. Shout out to busy. He. I don't know who exactly it was that was his contact with them, but he's like a cousin. Like, he's a family member. So he told me one day, he like, yo, this one, I'm on the label I'm at. But he don't know. He didn't know the stipulate. He didn't know. Jay has signed me through Def Jam. Yeah, he comes through. There's one guru. This. Every time Go mentioned this, he's like, yo, bro. He was like, when I go in the office, you don't understand the leverage. Say, oh, bro, you have the. Because at the time, you gotta think. This is when he just dropped dedication to Carter 2. Yeah, he doing TRL and all that promo. About to drop car to 3. This is in between them that time. So he like, yo, bro, you just. He was like, yo, you know, Wayne just came through here for you, and did y'. All. Y' all just did a record. He was like, yo, bro, they couldn't get that done like this. We're all due respect. He was like, no, nobody could do what just happened today. Like, he was like, that's right. There is. He recorded the joint. It was originally the shout out to DJ Khalil. He recorded it, just ended up doing the beat over. When Wayne came to the studio, he was recording that Sony. Yeah, Wayne came to the lab. He said it. He was like, yo, bro, what's your situation? Like, what should like. And I explained to him what the. Like, yeah, I'm on Def Jam, but this is through. When he. As soon as he heard it was through Jay Bleed, he was Like, I ain't stepping on the big homie toes. He was like, I ain't know that.

[Memphis Bleak]

He was like.

[Corey Guns]

I thought. He was like, if ever. You know what I'm saying? He was like, whatever you need from me, we got you. And that was it. He was like, yeah, this is on the love, though. He was like, we got. Like, it's love. He was like, I ain't know it was. But out of respect for that, and I don't. Like, we already here doing this. He was like, yeah, whatever y' all need or whatever hit. Holla at me from then on. That's when I started like. I'm like, oh, nah, I. With this. He pulled up, didn't charge, came through on the. In the middle of his promo run, bro. He was on a. He was doing trl.

[Memphis Bleak]

Word up.

[Corey Guns]

He came through in the middle of his promo run. He stopped at the lab, did a. Did 16, realized I did 32, then did another 16. So we did a whole song and just was able to chop it and make it a record.

[Memphis Bleak]

Just. We did it.

[Corey Guns]

We did two long verses and just. Just created something else to it that made it like. So from then on, it was like.

[Memphis Bleak]

Shout out, Just blaze, man.

[Corey Guns]

That's how we first linked, though. That's how that relationship. Personally, me and him, because I seen him from time to time, like, going to New Orleans or going certain places. I see him. We know a few mutual people, but I never met him. That was the time. No one was like. He was like, nigga. He told me straight up. He was like, yo. I thought he was like, I wanted to pull up here. And then we was out. We was gonna hit 106 and do all this. Like, he was like, he was about to come with the team. I ain't gonna step on homie. Big homie toes. Like, he was like, I. With Jay. He was like, I ain't know that. He was like, you family. Whatever y' all need. You know what I mean?

[Memphis Bleak]

I ain't gonna front cash money. Been fam since before time. Don't even know that that relationship with them is like that. You know what I'm saying? Like, Wayne, fam. Like, word.

[Corey Guns]

Like, all of them.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, all of them. The whole cash money, pg. All of the biggest, man. That's the family, bro. And that's dope. Like, when I seen you over there in the squad, I'm like, damn, they got hitters over there.

[Corey Guns]

You J.

[Memphis Bleak]

Mills, fucking Tyga, Nikki, Drake the Tiger. Like, I told. I told Mills the same thing. I just Feel like y' all caught the wave of what I dealt with with Jay. Like, some things is just anomalies, and it just. It just grow too fast, and it's nothing you can do. No matter. Like, I feel like if I would have had my run without Jay trying to become the billionaire he was, I would have been way bigger. That's like all of y' all on Young Money. That, like, Nicki and Drake. Lil Wayne already had the wave, but Nicki and Drake caught the stupidest sonic solar system spin that. That shit don't happen to nobody. You never seen a label signed two artists, and they fucking become the biggest artists in the world. At the same time, they caught the tsunami. That don't. It doesn't happen, bro. So, like, y' all was up against that mega monster, where a label, they gonna chase the bread. They love all the artists. They want all of y' all to be them. But when you. When the certain artists get that look, it's just not on you. And I felt that when Beans came to Roc a fella, you know what I mean? Even when shit was over, like, it was dying thing. Petey Crack caught the Neo joint. Yeah, ain't. Throw that oblique. Throw that verse on there it was. Nah, you the old. This the new rap. Even when y' all was getting signed. True life. I knew my position. I was there always just trying to help y'. All. Cause I knew y' all was the new face of the new wave, where they were going. So I never wanted to be that guy that felt like, you know how like the quarterback. When it's not your time and it's the rookie come up and now he hating. Nah, I wanna be that back there with the clipboard like this, like, nah. What's the next play? Your fam. You could do this like this. Cause I used to always be in the studio every night with you and be like, yeah, whatever. If niggas need a hook, you need me to tell. Just make the beat better, Kanye. Make a new beat. Let me know, bro. I'm gonna run in there and let niggas know.

[Corey Guns]

So that's true.

[Memphis Bleak]

I always been pushing for you to win, and I felt like you won in many, many ways. Do you feel like you accomplished everything you wanted to in music?

[Corey Guns]

I do. I do to an extent. It's certain things. There's certain things I still wanna like. Of course there's still certain goals, especially numerically.

[Memphis Bleak]

Of course. And shit, you still in the new era, bro. When they throwing the bags out.

[Corey Guns]

Yeah, like, number wise, yeah, as far as, like, art and culture wise. Like, I bought everybody that I listened to growing up and that inspired and influenced me, told me I was dope. So that is like a. Like, it's not an arrogance. It's not a. But it's. Oh, but it's like a I. Yeah, you. You there, That's a fact. Now what you doing type? Like, that's what I get from. It ain't even like a you him now or no, it's a I. You on the radar. So what you gonna do now? Type like, they hear you, they see you. So what you gonna do next? What you gonna do now? Like, how you gonna maintain? How you gonna be better than this?

[Memphis Bleak]

Like, that's right.

[Corey Guns]

So that's how I look at it and see it. But, like, everybody I listen to, that inspired me and influenced me in ways. I was able to, if not face to face, hear them or see them or in. In some. On some sort of record say that like, you know, that nigga is different. He nice.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's a fact.

[Corey Guns]

You know what I mean? So it's like that alone. That's what I really. At one point, that's what I was really all about. That's all I really cared about was.

[Memphis Bleak]

Like, yo, long as the Goats respect.

[Corey Guns]

Still do, but it's still like, now it's like I'm more business oriented with certain shit.

[Memphis Bleak]

And that's. That's right, man. What's new? What's new? Like, but hold on. Before I even get into what's new. Not gonna let you finish. You said you still got goals. You want it. What's some of those goals you feel like you want to hit? Now I wanna.

[Corey Guns]

My main thing that I always want to do. I want to be able to, like, be the reason that somebody's great.

[Memphis Bleak]

Oh, no.

[Corey Guns]

I want to stay in my hand. I want to be the exact reason that somebody listened or somebody was inspired. I want to inspire.

[Memphis Bleak]

If you don't think you inspired, bro, your family, you have from pops, Lord Tariq to you. I told you before this, right? I know it's a kid out there. You inspired lyrically. But y' all influenced the regular name rappers in the game. Remember, before your pops think Peter Guns, Lord Tariq, if he'd have just came out as Peter, and Tariq would have been like, yeah, nah. Who let me hear that? Busta Rhymes throwing that common sense, you know what I mean? Rappers black thought, like, niggas came with a regular Peter Guns, then Lord Tariq and then Corey Guns, like, Y' all influenced the rappers of today. Think about it. Got fucking Tory Lanez. Yeah. Like, it's. A lot of them are Joe Buttons. Like, you feel me? Like, n. It wasn't like that before for you.

[Corey Guns]

Yeah, it's different.

[Memphis Bleak]

So on that note, you influencing my. Like, if you don't hear your. Your thumbprint, fingerprint on the flows of today, then you might not be listening to the right people. Because everybody flowing like they wanna. Because everybody can't. But they wanna flow like you, bro. Like, think about it. It's only one other artist. Two that I' ma say got the illest flows other than you in this game that I put you with, Right? Big Daddy Kane is number one. Cause I feel like no one. No one ever matched that raw flow.

[Corey Guns]

Like, first person, my pops made me. Yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

You know what I'm saying? I watched that man perform that record by himself. No hype, man. 100% breath control.

[Corey Guns]

Spitting like, that's the first person growing. Like, I ain't gonna lie to you.

[Memphis Bleak]

And then it's you, my pops with that. Nobody never heard nobody mimic your flow, Cane flow. And then I gotta throw my dog Freeway up there.

[Corey Guns]

Freeze. Tough. Shout out to Freeway.

[Memphis Bleak]

You feel me? Like, y' all three spitters that niggas cannot emulate, bro. They cannot. I don't give a fuck how much you sit, how much tape you watch. If you are NFL player, you can watch all the film you want. You not gonna come out and be sounding like y' all guys, like, when y' all spit, you know? So I definitely want to give you your flowers on that mark, bro. Because any record niggas hear you on, trust me, you make the best spitters have to step they game up. And you did records with some of the goats. You made all of them rhyme better. Me, too. Cause I remember being there, like, ain't no fucking way I'm gonna let this little smoke me. Ain't no way they gonna have to beat me up. They gonna have to say, jump out of little.

[Corey Guns]

But you. Nah, I'm telling you. But you. You don't understand, like, the pressure and the inspiration that influences what make wanna. Like. It's like, all right, nah, I gotta. I can't play. I can't. I gotta rap. I gotta like, nah, this sweet. You listen to. You listen to his music already. Like, you already. Like, you don't need. Like. Like, that's extra pressure.

[Memphis Bleak]

No, no, no, man.

[Corey Guns]

You saying, yeah, you.

[Memphis Bleak]

You. You part of the legendary young spitters that paved the way for these new young Spitters in New York and you still young is what is insane. My. You was making history as a teenager and still making history. Like, that's fucking. Like, think about it. Play with a lot of rap names they throw out. It's all type of battle rap leagues, all of this.

[Corey Guns]

Yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

You ain't never heard a play with Corey. Not no gun. They play with guns, but they don't play with these guns. I just gotta be honest.

[Corey Guns]

Shout out to, though.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah. I mean, literally play with guns, but they don't play with Peter and Corey Guns.

[Corey Guns]

I be chilling.

[Memphis Bleak]

Like it's real talk. Niggas even be shitting on me. Bleak don't want no smoke. But niggas ain't playing with you, my nigga. So you gotta know that that means something, bro. Like, look, bro, it's not a rapper in this game.

[Corey Guns]

You. But this is the thing. Like, you part of the reason for that. So when you not realizing that I'm even trying to tell you is like, yo, I come from the lineage, my G time in the class and from the. Like, you can't. Like, what are we doing here? Like, you know what it is. Like, you in this room already. You gotta be elite. You're in the elite. You can do what we doing here. Like, there's no room for nothing but you being the best that you could be.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, yeah.

[Corey Guns]

That's what I mean.

[Memphis Bleak]

And you from the Mecca, bro. The X. That's where hip hop is birthed at. You know what I'm saying? Like, you coming from the Mecca. I feel like you gotta be a spitter but can't play, man. You got. I mean, I think just being from New York, but being from the Bronx, you gotta be.

[Corey Guns]

We got the worst critics. Like, when I say the worst, we got the best fan base. Because if you come from here like our people say, you come from here, you make it anyway. Literally a diamond coming out of New York.

[Memphis Bleak]

Oh, yeah.

[Corey Guns]

Making it like that's a fact. Real like, you. If you able to. Like, your skin is a different level of tough on. Like, you come from New York, you good anywhere, literally.

[Memphis Bleak]

Nah, that's a fact. That's because New York, we the toughest critics in the world, bro. Niggas and niggas, yo. You know how many shows I did in New York where you would get on the stage and the crowd not moving one bit? You be standing there like, do these niggas fuck with me? And then you think about it, nah, wait, I'm in New York. It ain't that they Don't. Niggas is too fly.

[Corey Guns]

Few people niggas.

[Memphis Bleak]

Like, I'm not sweating out this Gucci for this. You better. I paid to see you perform. I'm not performing.

[Corey Guns]

We with you. You killing. Yeah, but nine knees up.

[Memphis Bleak]

You see shorty, I with, look, she just got her hair done. She not sweating that out. I'm doing that at the telly.

[Corey Guns]

Yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

New York. It definitely be there like this. Go ahead, homie. And they know you killing it. Yeah, like, nah. Like, you see you got on a fresh pair of cheeses in the club. Gotta play 10ft.

[Corey Guns]

That's what I want to ask you.

[Memphis Bleak]

Get close, guns gonna be like, hey, listen, you step on knees, I got a couple questions. What's up?

[Corey Guns]

I was too young for this. Like, right? When I say too young.

[Memphis Bleak]

My pops.

[Corey Guns]

Was not letting me go with them.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yo, chill. I was that, too. I had to wait in the hotel room. I got left a lot on tour. Don't worry. I got left in the hotel a lot. Yeah, I went to the tunnel.

[Corey Guns]

Never went there.

[Memphis Bleak]

Oh, my God. Hot. Now Pops violated. Pops was supposed to bring you in the tunnel. Well, never.

[Corey Guns]

He let me go, like, all right. Now, mind you, this is a mother.

[Memphis Bleak]

You did speed.

[Corey Guns]

Y' all had clubs like Palladium.

[Memphis Bleak]

That wasn't my era. That was Jay era. But I was in there.

[Corey Guns]

Palladium.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, I did Palladiums after they had speed. Yeah, you did speed. You had to bend the speed.

[Corey Guns]

I was there, but at the. On my own at one point.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's what I mean. Speed was like, y' all tunnel booms.

[Corey Guns]

You heard the boom?

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, Booms was lit.

[Corey Guns]

That was right by me. I couldn't go.

[Memphis Bleak]

Damn, that's up. You miss skate.

[Corey Guns]

I would be able to do sound checks.

[Memphis Bleak]

He missed another one.

[Corey Guns]

Palladium. It was. It was. It was a few, bro.

[Memphis Bleak]

Tunnel was.

[Corey Guns]

Yeah, I heard it in y' all songs.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah. No, that's how I know.

[Corey Guns]

It was like y' all was in them shits.

[Memphis Bleak]

Because, yeah, my pops would pick, like, Mars 2112, all that type of.

[Corey Guns]

Do the sound check. Yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

You can't come to the show every.

[Corey Guns]

The one time and everything. I hear everything around is the tunnel. Like, everybody I'm around that I hear that have been in there and that I'll be wanting to know these stories about it now.

[Memphis Bleak]

The tunnel is legendary, bro. Like, the tunnel was. That's when you knew. Oh, yeah. The unisex bathroom. Yeah. Girls and boys using the bathroom together. It used to go down in the tunnel. Boy, but, yo, the tunnel was like. I feel like the tunnel was our way of gauging if you had the streets, if your song had the streets. Because there's a lot of niggas waiting to tunnel. And shit didn't ring off and there's a lot of who went in there and they shit went apeshit to where it felt like everybody died and came back to life. That's how crazy they went. Feel like the club exploded and we all just came back. Like, what the just happened. Like when mine right dropped, bro.

[Corey Guns]

That's what I was about to ask.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yo, listen, yo, my tell you something.

[Corey Guns]

That beat, that's yo that song.

[Memphis Bleak]

Shout out DJ Twins, man. Red, man, DJs the Twins, man.

[Corey Guns]

I could call five people, right? Sonny, you don't remember. Every day we come out, we playing that.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yo, the twins gave me that joint Shout Out Flex. Cause Flex, the one who really went crazy with that record.

[Corey Guns]

Every day. I rap to that beat. Every freestyle writing every day. Like, that was the main. That was my pick. That was the go to, like, wherever I'm at, yo, you know, all right, throw that on.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah. Nah. But that. That was that, like, it's so crazy that that was the moment when I knew I'm here. Like, I'm. I'm. I'm here.

[Corey Guns]

I'm in the game.

[Memphis Bleak]

I made it.

[Corey Guns]

The understanding.

[Memphis Bleak]

Like, Miff Bleak is what you think of that. Yo, bro, that shit, though.

[Corey Guns]

Hold up.

[Memphis Bleak]

I used to get. It's so crazy. I didn't even. What you think of that was supposed to be the first single, but we couldn't clear the sample. They didn't clear the sample until Jay put his verse on it. Cause I wasn't known. So the N is like, who the fuck is that? Jay put his verse on it. Then they cleared a sample. But at that time, Jay was like, yo, I gotta go home. Me and Swizz, Lenny s got on the plane and went and did Meth Bleakis. I didn't even like that record, bro.

[Corey Guns]

That was crazy.

[Memphis Bleak]

I didn't even like Meth Bleak is, bro. And it's so crazy that that song is the reason why I was in the Bronx so much. Like you talking about the other clubs, man. Y' all had one of the best skating roller rinks in the world. What skate.

[Corey Guns]

What's the name then?

[Memphis Bleak]

Yo, yo, bro, they used to book. They used to book me every week. They used to book me every week I was in skate Key Myth. Bleak is to death, my nigga. Like, yo, trust me. And I used to love when that shit came up on the calendar. Like, the key. Oh, we lit.

[Corey Guns]

It was. I'm telling you, the impact. I'm telling you, the shit, y'. All. Ben, the key. Do My lady, all that, bro, you.

[Memphis Bleak]

Know, but that was. I was already past the key at that time. Memph Bleak is what you think of that. Like, crew love coming to age. Those was the skate key days. Do my. I was already in the tunnel.

[Corey Guns]

I was lit.

[Memphis Bleak]

I was in speed. Rest in peace, Mr. C. Man.

[Corey Guns]

Yeah, I mean, that what you. I ain't gonna lie. That what you think of that. Keep mentioning it. I'm telling you.

[Memphis Bleak]

First time I heard that shout out, Buck Wild. Yeah. He produced that.

[Corey Guns]

Each other. Like, yo, this is out of. I'm like, you hit. Like, do we hear what's going on? You're like, yo, this is out of here.

[Memphis Bleak]

I With that. My. I appreciate you, bro.

[Corey Guns]

Crazy.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yo, what's. What's next for you musically? Are you, like, you got any other ideas outside of music, or you just solely focused on music right now?

[Corey Guns]

We doing the music. I ain't gonna front. I got some other. That I've been working on. Like, as far as, like, I want to tap into the films. Yeah. I want to tap into a couple other business ventures as far as, like, not only just totally music, but, like, even food, even working out, different stuff like that. Like, I want to tap into the health and fitness. I want to tap into, like, I be into, like, food. I want to do something at some point with some pizza and some movies. Like, that's my two biggest things that I be really into.

[Memphis Bleak]

Like, and I feel like the Bronx got a major story too, man. Like, it's so many legends, so much legendary shit from up there, man. Yeah, that story gotta be told. And who else but the kid who grew up behind watching the Lynn. Come on, bro, you done seen. You had a front row seat at all. So much legendary shit, bro, that the average kid didn't get a chance to live the life you live by.

[Corey Guns]

Not at all.

[Memphis Bleak]

You kidding me, man? You was on tour at fucking. You was running around the world with your pops. 10 years old. They platinum, triple platinum on a single tour in the world. And here you are with the little nigga riding on stage, everything. Think about that, bro. Not every kid had that life.

[Corey Guns]

They didn't.

[Memphis Bleak]

You know what I mean? Like. Like you said, you might not have had the. The accolades music come with, like, the. Yo, the album did this or the single did this, but, bro, you lived a better life. Than certain rappers that did. It's rappers that went gold, that never been on tour.

[Corey Guns]

Yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

You know what I mean? It's rappers with platinum singles that never made an album.

[Corey Guns]

So that's true.

[Memphis Bleak]

So it. It like. That's why I always tell people success is how you measure happiness, because success is not wealth. I feel like success is happiness. As happy as you can be with the decisions and choices in life where you are at, that's successful to me, bro. If you could go to sleep with a smile on your face and know you did everything you wanted to do and you accomplished everything and everybody healthy and good, that's success. Money is secondary, you know what I mean? So that's my view of success. You know what I mean? So you got any projects, dropping any music you want to promote? Anything?

[Corey Guns]

Yeah. Lucy Pack. It's four, right? We on the fourth one.

[Memphis Bleak]

How you forget? He said we on the fourth. That's how you know he got too many raps. We got mad too many raps.

[Corey Guns]

I ain't gonna lie.

[Memphis Bleak]

Said he even know the date. I told him. Why? Cause every day Friday, only niggas forget the day is. Cause Monday is Friday, Tuesday. Like, yo, you go out there, I go out every day. You know what that's called? Boss life. Live a boss life. You know what I mean? You gotta be grateful and thankful for that. That you able to provide and pay bills and set your own hours. Cause I know niggas who work nine to fives, and they say that shit sucks. I never had a 9 to 5. My 9 to 5 always been this. And it's been 24 8, so it ain't even been a 9 to 5 that 24 8.

[Corey Guns]

That's what they don't understand, too. This is real work, too.

[Memphis Bleak]

Hell yeah.

[Corey Guns]

Like, it ain't no like walking the park, explaining to somebody. I'm like, yo, you complaining? And you know what time you got to do whatever you got to do. Like, I get a call right now, I gotta make a move. This is like any second, any moment, any given time, you gotta get up and make a move. Like, like, you might have to leave town. You might have to do this. You might have to be at this place like it's different.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's a fact.

[Coca Cola Announcer]

What a matchup we got, y'.

[Corey Guns]

All.

[Coca Cola Announcer]

This is that classic HBCU vibe. Non stop action. The band is rocking and the crowd lit. Chance echo drum beat. Everybody showing that school pride. Game like this.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah.

[Coca Cola Announcer]

It calls for an ice cold Coca Cola. Ah, Crisp and refreshing. That's a Game changer right there. Yeah, that taste always hits the right note, just like the band at halftime. And just like that, we're back at it. Passionate fans, school colors everywhere. And in ice cold Coca Cola, that's a winning combo, no matter the sport, no matter the yard. Everybody knows fan work is thirsty work. So grab a Coca Cola and keep that HBCU pride going.

[Josh Zieman]

A decade ago, I was on the trail of one of the country's most elusive serial killers. But it wasn't until 2023 when he was finally caught, the answers were there, hidden in plain sight. So why did it take so long to catch him? I'm Josh Zieman, and this is Monster Hunting the Long Island Serial Killer, the investigation into the most notorious killer in New York since the Son of Sam. Available now listen for free on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your podcasts.

[Corey Guns]

All I know is what I've been told. And that to half truth is a whole lie.

[Maggie Freeling]

For almost a decade, the murder of an 18 year old girl from a small town in Graves County, Kentucky went under unsolved until a local homemaker, a journalist and a handful of girls came forward with a story.

[Memphis Bleak]

I'm telling you, we know Quincy killed her.

[Maggie Freeling]

We know a story that law enforcement used to convict six people and that got the citizen investigator on national tv.

[Memphis Bleak]

Through sheer persistence and nerve, this Kentucky.

[Kyle McLaughlin]

Housewife helped give justice to Jessica Curran.

[Maggie Freeling]

My name is Maggie Freeling. I'm a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist producer. And I wouldn't be here if the truth were that easy to find.

[Corey Guns]

I did not know her and I.

[Memphis Bleak]

Did not kill her or rape or.

[Corey Guns]

Burn or any of that other stuff that y' all said. They literally made me say that I took a match and struck and threw it on her. They made me say that I poured gas on her.

[Maggie Freeling]

From Lava for good. This is Graves County, a show about just how far our legal system will go in order to find someone to.

[Memphis Bleak]

Blame America, y' all better wake the hell up. Bad things happens to good people and small towns.

[Maggie Freeling]

Listen to Graves county in the Bone Valley feed on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And to binge the entire season at free, subscribe to Lava for Good plus on Apple Podcasts.

[Memphis Bleak]

May 24, 1990. A pipe bomb explodes in the front seat of environmental activist Judy Berry's car. I knew it was a bomb the.

[Maggie Freeling]

Second that it exploded. I felt it rip through me with just a force more powerful and terrible than anything that I could describe.

[Memphis Bleak]

In season two of Rip Current, we ask who tried to kill Judy Berry and why she received death threats before the bombing.

[Corey Guns]

She received more threats after the bombing. The man and woman who were heard.

[Kyle McLaughlin]

Had planned to lead a summer of.

[Corey Guns]

Militant protest against logging practices in Northern California.

[Memphis Bleak]

They were climbing trees and they were sabotaging logging equipment in the woods.

[Corey Guns]

The timber industry, I mean, it was the number one industry in the area. But more than it was the culture, it was the way of life.

[Memphis Bleak]

I think that this is a deliberate attempt to sabotage our movement. Episodes of rip current season two are available now listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Kyle McLaughlin]

Hey there. I'm Kyle McLaughlin. You might know me as that guy from Twin Peaks, Sex and the City, or just the Internet's dad. I have a new pop podcast called what Are We Even Doing? Where I embark on a noble quest to understand the brilliant chaos of youth culture.

[Memphis Bleak]

Daddy's looking good.

[Kyle McLaughlin]

Each week I invite someone fascinating to join me. Actors, musicians, creatives, highly evolved digital life forms. And we talk about what they love. Sometimes I'll driz a little honey in.

[Corey Guns]

There too, if I'm feeling sexy in the morning.

[Kyle McLaughlin]

What keeps them going?

[Memphis Bleak]

And you're maybe my biggest competition on social media. Like when a kid says bra to.

[Kyle McLaughlin]

Me and how they're navigating this high speed roller coaster we call reality.

[Corey Guns]

In Australia, you're looking out for snakes.

[Memphis Bleak]

Spiders and boys, right? Hey, he's no Trey McDougal.

[Corey Guns]

Chill.

[Maggie Freeling]

This is like the comments section of my Instagram.

[Kyle McLaughlin]

Join me and my delightful guests every Thursday. And let's get weird together in a good way. Listen to what are we even doing on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Memphis Bleak]

Question. Is it any place you ever traveled and performed and you was like, shocked, like, oh, they know me over here. They with my down here. Any country city, no matter.

[Corey Guns]

Australia.

[Memphis Bleak]

Oh, I love. I love Australia.

[Corey Guns]

I went to Perth.

[Memphis Bleak]

Shout out. Yeah, Perth. That's the end. That's the edge. That's the top.

[Corey Guns]

I'm like, y' all booking me here? First of all, I'm like, yeah, sure. They like, yeah, Perform. They rocking. They was rocking.

[Memphis Bleak]

I'm like, oh, and that's what's crazy. Overseas, like, places like that. Australia, New Zealand, Germany, London. Yo, bro, they love real hip hop.

[Corey Guns]

Like, it was different.

[Memphis Bleak]

They don't like that. Like, they like commercial rap. It's gonna pop me. I could say places like that. Australia, New Zealand. Like New Zealand. Like, I got A show coming. I'm be in Japan.

[Corey Guns]

You be going everywhere.

[Memphis Bleak]

I know. See, me, I like to travel on some. Cause I traveled on tour to a lot of these countries and I feel like when you go to these places for a show, you don't really see the city or the country. You just see the hotel, the club in the airport, you might see one restaurant.

[Corey Guns]

Mad places like that.

[Memphis Bleak]

And you didn't never enjoy the city. So now like, like being married, I like to go back to these places with my wife and do a little bit of the tourist shit, you know what I mean? Shop, walk around, go take some pictures, go see what the food of the. Of the. Of the culture is.

[Corey Guns]

Favorite place y' all went to where, like, all right, nah, if anything, I could. I'll move. We could come here and be good.

[Memphis Bleak]

Oh, like, and I could retire. Like.

[Corey Guns]

Like, I'd rather stay here if anything, if I gotta leave here or if I had to choose somewhere to stay country wise, that y' all visited. Like, if I got.

[Memphis Bleak]

I think we both. I think me and my wife both would agree. Any city in Italy.

[Corey Guns]

Italy, Yo, I want to go.

[Memphis Bleak]

Any city in Italy, that's where I want to go. Because I'm. I love the. I love pasta, so. But Italy is just. It's just vibes, man. Like, it's cool. It's wine. Wine and pasta. If I'm a retire and call it. Call it a day, kick my feet up. Wine and pasta, dog, all day.

[Corey Guns]

That's my shit. You been to Venice?

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, I've been to Venice, crazy. It's nice, bro. It's dope. I've been. Yo, bro, no, I've been everywhere. Like, only places like, no, like, I'm trying to go to places that like, that nobody been to. Like, new. Like, they got this spot. I think it's Lapland. Finland.

[Corey Guns]

Finland, like Lapland.

[Memphis Bleak]

Like, I've been. I've been to. What is it? Helsinki. But Lapland Finland is like the edge of Finland. And they got some up there with the reindeers and Santa Claus that they do for Christmas because it's like the North Pole where they really do real. Where they got the, the, the. The everything. So I want to take my daughter there. Like, you know what I mean? I want to do like Zanzibar, where I did Tanzania, but I never did Zanzibar, where that's like the island off of Africa.

[Corey Guns]

How was that?

[Memphis Bleak]

Tanzania is fire. All Africa is fire. Like, people confuse Africa. Like, it's the whole country. It's just the continent. And you Know every country is broken up. Cause like, Egypt, fucking Morocco. Like, you know what I mean? Then you got Johannesburg, Cape Town, Tanzania, Gabong. Like, all those is different countries on the continent. Africa. Everybody just placed the whole. Is Africa.

[Corey Guns]

Yeah, See, now I want to go to Africa.

[Memphis Bleak]

Nah, definitely. It's many different parts, man. Let me. Yo, listen. And one thing about me, I tell all my. Anywhere you travel in the world, hit blizzle, I got the plug.

[Corey Guns]

I've been there already.

[Memphis Bleak]

Don't risk it. Niggas is already boots on the ground. All you gotta bring is bring your raps and you good, get you situated. I don't care if you in Egypt or Lapland. Finland. Yeah, Finland hit me up, dog. But yeah, nah, like, where your. Where your. What's your favorite place you've been to or place you want to travel to? You said Italy.

[Corey Guns]

I want to go to Italy.

[Memphis Bleak]

Like, Italy.

[Corey Guns]

Italy is Italy. And yeah, and it's Africa. It's certain places.

[Memphis Bleak]

Africa is a must. I feel like it's a must for us.

[Corey Guns]

I want to go to Africa, but I want Africa to be like a month long, like, because I want to go everywhere in it. Everywhere in Africa. Like that I can. Like, it's. Yeah. To every city. Every. Like, no, I won't go outside and say I want to go to every spot.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah. It's different countries out there. It's not like cities like us, man. Like how we broken up in the cities. That is all different. Everywhere. It's different country, different stamp. Yeah, I did Egypt, did all that, bro.

[Corey Guns]

Pyramids and all that, bro. See, I want to do that.

[Memphis Bleak]

I did everything yo bro. I've been. I've been yo, bro. I done seen that to be like, no way.

[Corey Guns]

Like.

[Memphis Bleak]

And I'm the type, why I got homies in all these places? Because I live life outside of the velvet rope, my G. Like that, that, that. Standing in VIP all day. Yeah, I. I let them do that. I go out in the crowd. I want to meet somebody. I want to get the look. I want to meet a local. I want to do local. I want to eat what they eating. I want to see who the plug is. Where the. Where the real club at the strip clubs and like that. So everywhere I go, if they call it checking in, then I check in everywhere I go. But I'm tapped in with a local. Supposed to be everywhere, bro. Like, I already got the homies in Japan making reservations at restaurants for me right now. Like, that's what I'm saying. So it's like anywhere you Go holla.

[Corey Guns]

Like you going to Japan.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, I remember Ross was in Dublin. Him and Gunplay N hit me up. Yo, Bleak, yo. You know, had them taken care of. Had my Irish, my G's. Pull up that smoke for the. That nigga Gunplay, like, no way. Nah. BLEEP you the plug up. Telling you anywhere, bro.

[Corey Guns]

Nah.

[Memphis Bleak]

Shout out my dogs out there. Dublin, man. My man Rob Kelly, man.

[Corey Guns]

Definitely, man.

[Memphis Bleak]

Word. Like, we got plugs, my G. So anywhere you go is up for you.

[Corey Guns]

That's crazy. Nah. Yeah, I'm trying to go, man. It's a few places still.

[Memphis Bleak]

Like, what's your bucket list? You said Africa.

[Corey Guns]

Definitely Italy.

[Memphis Bleak]

Italy.

[Corey Guns]

Egypt.

[Memphis Bleak]

Egypt. Egypt is in Africa. But I love. Like. I love my niggas. Cause until you go, you really don't understand what Africa really is. It's just one big country to us over here.

[Corey Guns]

That's a fact. I'm trying to think. Of course, Japan. I gotta check out Japan, too. I wanna go there.

[Memphis Bleak]

You did the islands? Cause if I don't like, my second choice. If I wouldn't move to Italy would be St. Lucia.

[Corey Guns]

No, I never been there.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, like Jamaica. St. Lucia.

[Corey Guns]

Jamaica's a must.

[Memphis Bleak]

You never been to Jamaica. Yo, my man, come on, man.

[Corey Guns]

You could have spent.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yo, you could spend food stamps and go to Jamaica, man. Stop.

[Corey Guns]

I ain't go to Jamaica yet. I'm playing. Hey, man, wifey going there. We going soon. I ain't gonna lie, yo.

[Memphis Bleak]

No, you gotta go to Jamaica. You did Cancun. Yo, Guns. Nah, man. Listen, we hanging out. Yeah, we are hanging out. He don't know what day it is. So every day is Friday to him. So I know he got he. Yo, it ain't like, yo, I'm working today. Every day, Friday, we are hanging out. You did Dr. P.R.

[Corey Guns]

I did P. He gonna laugh. I did P.R. because of the. The mix show power symbol before the one we had in Bahamas.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yo, chill, man. I left the one in PR that.

[Corey Guns]

Was the one I was at. That's when I went to PR that's it.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's when Dame and all them dipset and everybody was out there. I left cause I thought they tried to set me up. That's when we had smoke with Dipset. They told me I couldn't Word. They told me I couldn't bring nobody with me. Bleak, you gotta come by yourself. So I'm like, all right, cool.

[Corey Guns]

Fuck it.

[Memphis Bleak]

I'm with the rock. It's cool. Everybody out there. I get out there. Beans wasn't there. Freeway wasn't There I go to the pool. It's Freaky Zeke, Jim Jones, Santana, Cam, all them niggas at the pool. I'm like, I can see what this is. I got it. I took a cab right to the airport, Got the fuck up out of there.

[Corey Guns]

They.

[Memphis Bleak]

Cause they gonna jump me in Puerto Rico, That I'm out. That was when I was.

[Corey Guns]

That was it.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's crazy. My. I forgot we did the Power Summit in the Bahamas. That's when four.

[Corey Guns]

That was the Puerto Rico one. That's the two I went to.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's when Bahamas prices was. Was chill. Now them shit's outrageous. I was out there, like a couple months ago, I went to Jet ski, told me 400. I told the nigga I could buy the jet ski for 400. That's a down payment, yo. Rent it to you for an hour. Was like, huh? Nah, I'm cool.

[Corey Guns]

Ain't nobody coming to pay that for that.

[Memphis Bleak]

Hell no. I was like, that gotta be Covid prices.

[Corey Guns]

They bugging.

[Memphis Bleak]

I guess everybody raised their prices during.

[Corey Guns]

COVID Who you waiting for coming to pay that?

[Memphis Bleak]

I don't know. I'd rather buy the Jet Ski. Take me to the shop. We gonna buy one. Fuck that.

[Corey Guns]

That some.

[Memphis Bleak]

I'm an airbnb. The Jet Ski with Ali. Yeah, That shit out. Yeah, Airbnb watering dudes. Yo, if y' all come up with that play, just know they took that shit from Blizz. Cause they don't. They got the helicopters. They all got the water. Rentals, Blizzard.

[Corey Guns]

That's a fact.

[Memphis Bleak]

Word of my nigga. That's crazy. But, yeah, that Bahamas trip was different.

[Corey Guns]

It was. Yo, it was busy that weekend, too. It was battle. It was a. It was active. It was active.

[Memphis Bleak]

Everybody was out there. The whole Rock Def jam. All the DJs shout out all the DJs, man. They the most important people, you know. Done.

[Corey Guns]

Every DJ was there.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yo, every dj we was doing drops for days out that motherfucker.

[Corey Guns]

Yeah, that too.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, my G. Shit was work. They had us working parties.

[Corey Guns]

Couple of them parties that I could get in was lit certain time of night. It was not letting me in. Nothing you did.

[Memphis Bleak]

You did any of the tours with Wayne? You went on any of the tours with son?

[Corey Guns]

Yeah, we did a few.

[Memphis Bleak]

So I know you was in the club turning, making up for lost time, nigga. Like, yeah, all the night. They ain't let me in. Young money talk. Getting that work shit was crazy.

[Corey Guns]

I ain't gonna lie. I was definitely getting in a lot.

[Memphis Bleak]

Of time outside thinking, like, I'M on they neck.

[Corey Guns]

This is what it was. This is what I missed. Yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

The club is to me, I feel like the party life what it was back in the day. That shit is dead, man. Don't even dance. Girls don't even dance no more, man. N in the club, it's just outfit wars and bottle wars. Yeah, that's it. Who fly? Who spent that grip?

[Corey Guns]

I was telling somebody that I'm like, yo, there's no like. Like all the socializing. There's no socializing. Like, there's no, like, there's no social activity in the places it's supposed to be. Ain't nobody going out, like, is going out to grill each other and see who gonna say what first.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah.

[Corey Guns]

Instead of saying what up. Instead of like breaking ice. Yeah. Getting the bottles and then grill before they break the ice like that.

[Memphis Bleak]

And then now the new curve. I sing right? This is. This is reasons why I'm glad I'm married. Cause I be in the club with dogs. You know what I mean? Some of the dogs holla at chicks, you know, everybody got a phone. So niggas be like, let me get your number. And the girl hit him with the Take my insta. Yeah, that's the major new I don't fuck with you.

[Corey Guns]

Yeah, yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

You gonna hit me on the gram and I'm gonna block you.

[Corey Guns]

That's it.

[Memphis Bleak]

And I'm never gonna see you again. And n really be there like, yeah, yeah. My industry insta, my ig put it in your phone.

[Corey Guns]

People rather now too. Some people come up to you like, yo, take my grand.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's insane. They know those messages is watched, so why they think they DMing like, yeah, I got shorty up DMing all this. Them messages watched, read, scanned, and then transferred to the party. You sent it to whoever. Yo, niggas is crazy. Don't yo, don't, don't yo. Don't let it go down in the dm, man. The song was dope. The DM is sinking ships out here. Was selling packs through the DM getting booked for real.

[Corey Guns]

Yeah, man, I ain't gonna lie like you now that's the time we.

[Memphis Bleak]

I don't care about the vanishing DM or none of that. None of that matter. The ghost mode DM, that don't matter. Yo, remember the nigga on MySpace, Tom like that reading them shits in vanish mode. Ghost mode. It's him a sitting there just like it's pervert. He cheating little. Look at this. Let's just tell her boyfriend like telling You. You notice. You go in your dm, think you notice Sometimes you go in your DM and that shit'll bring up messages that should be, like, from 82 weeks ago. Yeah, like, what you. Why that pop back up? I deleted that. They remind you you was on some scumbag shit? Like, yeah, remember. I remember what you did last summer, nigga, that's homie sending it back to you just to remind you you a piece of shit. He see you posting your family all lovey dub, like. Like, yeah. All right, look, 82 weeks ago. There you go. You put a heart on this picture.

[Corey Guns]

This is what you was on there.

[Memphis Bleak]

Should be crazy. I look and be like, what the.

[Corey Guns]

Yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

No, I'm telling you, that is set up, bro. Bro gotta be careful.

[Corey Guns]

Can't even respond to certain.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, man is different. Yo, so, yo, is it any. You got any young artists under your. Under your wing that you trying to sign, Start your own, you know, regime, spark up?

[Corey Guns]

Like, I got my bros, man. They. They. I want to call them. They're not young. They're not old either.

[Memphis Bleak]

But if they in their 30s, they young. That's the new young today.

[Corey Guns]

Now, these is like, like, pushing 50.

[Memphis Bleak]

Oh, man, they in the class with me. I'm about to say, yeah.

[Corey Guns]

Pull up my bros, man. My bros. My bro Reese, man. He in the room right there.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's right. Shout out.

[Corey Guns]

You know Dashi.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, yeah.

[Corey Guns]

My bro Lansky.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yep, yep. Shout out the bros, man. They in the building.

[Corey Guns]

Not here. He not here right now, my bro Packs. He not here right now.

[Memphis Bleak]

We got the squad, the militia pro, my bro.

[Corey Guns]

Come on, man. I ain't gonna forget the Wizard. My bro Whispers, man. Whispers is like, come on, man.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yo, you see.

[Corey Guns]

Not here. Shout out to the Wizard.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yo, you see that? New York man. You really get W. And he probably really do talk mad low. That's why, yo, your name is what you are in New York.

[Corey Guns]

You and him will cook some. Like, me knowing, Like, I feel like y' all cook. Cook all of them. Like, they all. We gonna talk.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's one thing I love about the BX in Harlem, y'. All. Y' all stick together like Brooklyn. We don't stick together bad. Like, nah, nah, man, it ain't. It's like, say, what up? Show love, but really don't with each other.

[Corey Guns]

Like, why not?

[Memphis Bleak]

First thing my came in here and said was, yo, I think smoke, there's a crew outside.

[Corey Guns]

Oh.

[Memphis Bleak]

And then I go like. He like, nah, that's Corey Guns. Oh, they got the same crew. Like, you would never see that in Brooklyn. My. That's not happening.

[Corey Guns]

Just.

[Memphis Bleak]

You said, why not? That. That reason. You see two with one, they not hanging with the next nigga.

[Corey Guns]

Yeah, that's fucked up.

[Memphis Bleak]

Like, you're not gonna see my niggas over there with.

[Corey Guns]

That's family.

[Memphis Bleak]

J. R. The damn diddy in here.

[Corey Guns]

Shout out the vibes, my bro.

[Memphis Bleak]

Shout out gave me the crazy verse. But, like, that's one thing with you.

[Corey Guns]

Him and Benny is crazy.

[Memphis Bleak]

My G. And in yo, awesome, too.

[Corey Guns]

Like, do you know what.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yo, I know what you do the beats.

[Corey Guns]

You be, yo.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah. Yeah, man.

[Corey Guns]

It's an element. It's a certain. Like, with your. It's a certain feeling like Paul is like. It's a certain. Like, it invokes. Like, you tap into a certain bag that is like, all right. Notice that.

[Memphis Bleak]

Nah. Cause I. I pick music when I really do music that I like. That's what I do. I pick the music that I like. I never try to make music like this or, like, you know, this sound is the sound. So Imma make this. I always did what I like.

[Corey Guns]

So what's the name? Shit. Not to keep bringing it up. And you should know by now.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yo, you shout out Cool and Dre, bro.

[Corey Guns]

Shout out to them noses bros. That's.

[Memphis Bleak]

The family, my G. But, like, that is family. That record came about crazy because we was in the studio. Shout out my bro, Cheech. We was in the studio with Cool. Dre wasn't even there. And Cool played the record and then went to another record. Like, it wasn't even, like, a beat he was trying to play for me. It was just like. Came on real quick. And he like, yeah, and went to the next. And I'm like, nah, nah. What was that? And he like, yo, this shit we was just with, you know, it repeat. It's repetitive. So I'm like, play it. And he played it.

[Corey Guns]

And I'm like, bro, that's the one.

[Memphis Bleak]

I'm like, yeah, hold on. I could say what I need to say on this, my G. That shit, it was perfect.

[Corey Guns]

I heard that. I'm like, yo. Cause I saw the video up. I'm like, yo, hold on. This is the joint. When I saw the video out, because I heard the album, so I saw the video. I'm like, oh, wait, is this the up? I'm like, it is. He did the video to this.

[Memphis Bleak]

Appreciate that now. I'm telling you, man, like, incredible, too, man.

[Corey Guns]

Y' all killed that. Y' all probably gotta do a project. I ain't gonna lie.

[Memphis Bleak]

Jay said the same thing, man. When I. Because you know me, I send. That's one thing, right? Don't know. No matter how old I get, how many records I made, at the end of the day, after every record I make, I still send to hov.

[Corey Guns]

And that's because it's a.

[Memphis Bleak]

But I'm gonna keep it 1000. He shits on me every time. Every time.

[Corey Guns]

Because he know that he is. He got a different ear.

[Memphis Bleak]

This ain't it. You bugging. Why you rapping this trash? Yo, you flooding up. Yo, you wasted space in my box, in my email. Pause. You wasted space in my email with this. Yo, you taking up space. I need real emails coming through, like, holding on me. Like, real. Like, I'll be like, damn, why I sent him that joint? But, like, every joint on this project, that was really like, nah, you on your bro. This one is, nah, you on your bro. Nah. Well, yo. Yo, who did this one? And then when I sent them, you should know. He said, if you were smart, you would do a whole project.

[Corey Guns]

Yeah, I'm not gonna hold you. Nah, look, when I heard that, I'm like, yo, I don't know who did this one before I even. But then I listened and I heard it.

[Memphis Bleak]

I heard it because I said in the intro. Yeah.

[Corey Guns]

I'm like, yo, he gotta do a project with him. That gotta, like.

[Memphis Bleak]

You gotta do something definitely. Ep. Something definitely, man.

[Corey Guns]

That.

[Memphis Bleak]

That was it. That.

[Corey Guns]

Because it break. It brought me to the. To a Tom. Like, when I heard that, it's like, it's. It's legacy there. It's new and it's fire. I feel, like, still crazy. And it's also like, yo, nah, this is the out.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, yeah. This the shit we was rocking. That's New York. Like, this is New York. Like, that's what I was trying to make with this album. Because I felt like, not that we too down south or we. This. I just feel like, like, New York sound is very. You don't really hear it. Only time I hear it is when I hear you or I hear. You know what I mean, J. Mills? I hear my song Spit. I hear Benny in them. I hear like, that's it. That's it. But then it's like, it's not enough of that. You know what I mean? Like, if I go down the list, it's only about. Probably about 6 of y' all that's really still doing New York music. Smoke all. You know what I mean? A lot of people just doing variety music where whatever Stick, sticks. Fuck it. We go throw everything against the wall. Fuck it. Whatever. Stick. We running with that sound today. If they like this, fuck it. I'm with that. And me, I felt like it was a mix. I didn't want our sound to get lost in the art, bro. Because our beats, our style, we influenced a lot of what's going on. My G, all this shit you hear was going on. That shit is just New York sped up or slowed down. You know what I mean? Real talk, it's just New York sped up or slowed down. So I wanted to get back to that and what made bleak bleak and what made me fall in love with hip hop. That's why even when Nori told me, do this show, I was telling him, yo, bro, I ain't no journalist. I don't want to interview. And he like, you're not interviewing. You talking to your brothers.

[Corey Guns]

That's different. Yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

And then the light was. I'm like, yo, you right. I got a lot of family in this game that niggas don't know. Is my family that need this platform. Because I'm a firm believer. After this interview, watch how many people call you for an interview. Mark my words.

[Corey Guns]

That's true.

[Memphis Bleak]

Because we live in the world where if you not up here shitting on Wayne or on Drake, niggas don't want to talk to you. You ain't got beef with your pops. They don't want to fucking hear it. They need some type of controversial shit to go viral, you know what I'm saying? But I wanted to show niggas it's niggas more important than that, bro. Our culture is more important than just the. Yo, we don't with each other or this. Like, we too important, man. Like, you got guys like yourself, that's one of the illest, dopest spitters out of New York City, out of our era, our culture. And people don't know your story, bro. They only hear you on music they never like. I never like if I want to sit there and be like, damn, what make Corey Guns? Corey Guns? Where can I go and find that out? I got to listen to your music. Because if I go watch an interview is asking you about, yo, you with this. Yo, how was the competition with this guy? Yeah, and that's not what this is about. This is about to tell with who you are so can know why they with you. And those who don't know need to know why they don't. So they need to with you. You feel me?

[Corey Guns]

No, I appreciate that.

[Memphis Bleak]

And that's what I did this for. My.

[Corey Guns]

And I said respect. You know, I'm a. I'm a fan first.

[Memphis Bleak]

We family, my G. We fam. We fam. Like, I want to see all my win. It's enough money, enough limelight, enough everything in this game for everybody, bro. And, like, like, even the shit, like you said, I told you back in the day about real estate. Like, that shit still applied to this day, man. And, like. And right now, this is the best time to get involved in any kind of business. When people. When people tighten their money up and they tighten their pockets, they feel like, yo, it's slow outside. That's when you go grab all the business. Cause niggas want to sell for cheap. Now when they feel like it's booming, that's when you. When everybody outside, like, yo, it's lit outside. That's when you sit there and be like, let me chill out. Just let everybody blow they bread. Cause when everybody's slow, they gonna be selling me everything. Bikes, chains, cars, watches. Cause now they fucked up. Remember that. Come up on a nice little roast key.

[Corey Guns]

Hell, yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

He paid 50, but you got it for 30. Cause he fucked up. You know what I mean?

[Corey Guns]

That's real shit.

[Memphis Bleak]

Shit happens, B. Gotta weather the storm. Word up, my nigga, man. But I definitely want to appreciate you pulling up. If there's anything you want to say. You want the people to know about you, where they could find you anything new, what you got going? What's the move? Let it be known, my brother.

[Corey Guns]

I want to thank you first, my brother, man. You to keep doing what you're doing and keep inspiring and keep doing what you're doing, bro. Like. Like I said, I held on to those words. So, like, your voice is, like, important. Like, even things you probably saying that you think going to. Is holding on to them, you know what I'm saying? So to them words.

[Memphis Bleak]

I appreciate that, bro.

[Corey Guns]

Militia, man.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's right. Militia just pulling up.

[Corey Guns]

Shout out to Young Money, we cooking. I got some new stuff dropping with bro. When I say bro, I mean Wayne. They know I got new. I'm dropping with the team. My man Reese, My man Dash Lansky here.

[Memphis Bleak]

The Smoke Dizza Corey Guns Crew.

[Corey Guns]

Shout out to Dizza. Shout out to my.

[Memphis Bleak]

They train. They train starters, y'.

[Corey Guns]

All. Me. And this is supposed to do some, too. I'm chopping with you about it, too, man. He know what I'm talking about when he sees it. Like, all right.

[Memphis Bleak]

Nah, definitely, bro. You know I'm here, man.

[Corey Guns]

So, yeah, we cooking, man.

[Memphis Bleak]

I'm here, bro. Anytime I gotta step in the kitchen.

[Corey Guns]

My just invite you.

[Memphis Bleak]

I got the apron still ready with the Italian on it. Ready?

[Corey Guns]

Yeah. You know what I mean?

[Memphis Bleak]

Got new recipes. Yeah.

[Corey Guns]

Nah, let's get it. I already.

[Memphis Bleak]

I know you already know, man. You my brother for life. It's militia forever, man.

[Corey Guns]

Let's go.

[Memphis Bleak]

You always a rock boy, my G. You young money with you for life a rock boy. So niggas better remember that and watch your steps and tread lightly. And if you don't know, man, Corey Gunn's better than your father, your step pops, your baby father, and your boyfriend combined. Trust me. I told you so. It's rock solid, nigga. Yeah. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows at. And you can follow me on any social media platform under the name Memphis Bleak. You see anybody frauding? Flag them.

[Josh Zieman]

A decade ago, I was on the trail of one of the country's most elusive serial killers. But it wasn't until 2023 when he was finally caught. The answers were there, hidden in plain sight. So why did it take so long to catch him? I'm Josh Zieman, and this is Monster Hunting the Long Island Serial Killer, the investigation into the most notorious killer in New York since the Son of Sam. Available now listen for free on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your podcasts.

[Maggie Freeling]

The murder of an 18 year old girl in Graves County, Kentucky, went unsolved for years until a local housewife, a journalist and a handful of girls came forward with a story.

[Memphis Bleak]

America, y' all better wake the hell up. Bad things happens to good people and small towns.

[Maggie Freeling]

Listen to Graves county on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And to binge the entire season ad free. Subscribe to Lava for Good plus on Apple Podcasts.

[Memphis Bleak]

Join me, Danny Trejo in Nocturnal Tales from the Shadows.

[Corey Guns]

An anthology of modern.

[Memphis Bleak]

Day horror stories inspired by the legends and lore of Latin America. America. Listen to Nocturnal Tales from the shadows on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Maggie Freeling]

In early 1988, federal agents raced to track down the gang they suspect of importing millions of dollars worth of heroin into New York from Asia.

[Memphis Bleak]

Had 30 agents ready to go with shotguns and rifles and you name it.

[Corey Guns]

Five, six white people pushed me in the car. I'm going, what the hell? Basically, your stay at home moms were picking up these large amounts of heroin. All you gotta do is receive the package. Don't have to open it, just accept it. She was very upset, crying. Once I saw the gun, I tried to take his hand and I saw the flash of light.

[Maggie Freeling]

Listen to the Chinatown sting on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or any anywhere you get your podcasts.

[Corey Guns]

Jenna World, Jenna Jamison, Vivid Video and the Valley is a new podcast about the history of the adult film industry.

[Memphis Bleak]

I'm Molly Lambert and I'll be your.

[Corey Guns]

Tour guide on a wild trip through adult films. We get paid more than the men.

[Maggie Freeling]

We call the shots. In what way is that degrading? That's us taking hold of our Life.

[Corey Guns]

Listen to Genaworld on the iHeartRadio app.

[Memphis Bleak]

Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Corey Guns]

This is an iHeart podcast.