Jae Millz | ROC Solid w/ Memphis Bleek

Summary

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ROC Solid with Memphis Bleek – Episode Recap

Guest: Jae Millz

Release Date: November 4, 2025

Host: Memphis Bleek (The Black Effect and iHeartPodcasts)

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Episode Overview

This episode of ROC Solid dives deep into hip-hop’s untold stories and hustle, featuring Harlem’s own Jae Millz. The conversation ranges from the early streets to major label politics, the battle rap scene, personal growth, and reflections on legacy. Bleek and Millz keep it raw, funny, and nostalgic, keeping true to the “100% ROC Solid” spirit.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Early Career Paths & Management of Expectations

• ROCAFELLA “Board” and Almost-Signings

  • Both discuss the infamous Roc-A-Fella “spitters list,” with names like Bleek, Cory Gunz, True Life, Papoose, and Jae Millz.
    • “So that mean I could have possibly been on...Rock La Familia?” – Jae Millz (05:15)
    • The industry was highly competitive, and “the board” reflected a hunger for lyrical talent.
    • [05:15–05:41]

• Young Money Transition

  • Millz explains his career journey — Universal, Warner Bros, then Young Money.
    • He shares how Lil Wayne’s gesture of a free verse was a turning point, exemplifying Wayne’s work ethic and generosity.
    • "Wayne sent me a verse...didn't ask for a dime. Damn." – Jae Millz (07:47)
    • “He said, so you ain't got no deal? At that point, I'm like, oh, that feature's a dub.” – Jae Millz (08:37)
    • [06:48–08:46]

2. Lessons Learned from Legends and Mentors

• Influence of Mase and Mysonne

  • Millz recounts how Mase and Mysonne shaped his early lyrical style.
  • “Mice raised me. I know. I know you...He was like an underground nigga battling.” – Jae Millz (09:01)
  • Reflections on how being around hungry, streetwise spitters toughened their craft.
  • [09:01–10:24]

• Bleek’s Experience with Jay-Z

  • Bleek describes how Hov supported and challenged him, especially regarding writing and creative ownership.
  • “Jay would leave you for dead...What I'm supposed to say after this? Hov.” – Memphis Bleek (37:33)
  • [37:33–38:16]

3. Inside Young Money & Roc-A-Fella

• Team Dynamics, Competition, and Realities

  • Both open up about being part of star-studded crews, the pressure, and reality versus perception.
  • Millz likens being in Young Money when Drake and Nicki arrived to “being Eddie Jones on the Lakers when Kobe came” — everyone recognized the incoming greatness.
  • “It's like being Eddie Jones on the Lakers when Kobe came. That’s what it felt like for all of us.” – Jae Millz (29:21)
  • “Out of the whole Young Money roster, only people they remember is Drake, Nikki, Tyga, you. That's it.” – Memphis Bleek (30:33)
  • [28:09–31:16]

• Unexpected Lessons from the Roc

  • Bleek shares stories from life in the Roc-A-Fella camp — from hats and durags to tour bus antics and industry-level flexing.
  • “Hov ain't do that. Everybody was ordering what they wanted. We all wasn't getting one thing, dog. Seven buses.” – Memphis Bleek (32:13)
  • [32:13–33:04]

4. Business, Changing Industry, and Staying Relevant

• Shifting Industry Economics

  • Both discuss changes in music distribution, streaming economics, and the necessity to diversify brand and business models.
  • "Music used to be the tree...now music is just a branch, and we are the tree." – Jae Millz (122:15)
  • “It's just to exit off...I feel like everybody want to do media. Everybody can’t do media.” – Memphis Bleek (122:27)
  • [70:01–70:58] | [122:15–124:44]

• Podcasting, Branding, and Legacy

  • The host and guest note the new wave of rappers-turned-media-personalities: N.O.R.E., Gilly, Cam’ron & Mase, and others.
  • Millz talks about building his podcast with his fiancée and exploring new creative outlets.
  • [150:58–153:05]

5. Real-Life Growth: Family, Safety, and Community

• On Family and Roots

  • Millz and Bleek open up about raising kids, making choices to shield them from street politics, and building secure, loving homes.
  • “You supposed to show your kids better than what you saw.” – Jae Millz (107:40)
  • [99:41–111:22]

• Surviving, Adapting, and Outgrowing Old Ways

  • Reflections on how their environments and priorities have shifted, especially after moving out of the hood and touring the world.
  • “You gotta have survivors’ remorse. The way you feel like you want to go back and still be regular...You can’t.” – Memphis Bleek (105:09)
  • [104:43–107:08]

6. On Respect, Ghostwriting, and Industry Politics

• Clearing Up Ghostwriting Rumors
  • Millz clarifies a misunderstood comment about Kanye possibly writing for Jay-Z, discussing the blurred lines between production, hooks, and pen game.
  • “Sometimes it’s the messenger...sometimes that’s when I learned, shut the fuck up when you talking about Hov.” – Jae Millz (56:10)
  • Both acknowledge how public opinion and social media can distort context and intent.
  • [54:03–56:18]

7. Battle Rap, Rap Styles, and the New Generation

• Battle Rap Then and Now

  • Millz delves into the transformation of the battle scene—from hungry street cyphers to modern URL spectacles.
  • “Battle rap is great...But now, the way the business done turned, it’s like rap. It’s like rap music.” – Jae Millz (63:30)
  • Discussion of shifting audience dynamics and promotional tactics.
  • [63:27–68:48]

• Changes in Music and Hustle

  • Both critique the brevity and formula of modern songs and albums, which stand in contrast to the lyrical hustle they grew up with.
  • “Whole albums be one verse through the joint. I thought when I got to two verses, I was cutting it short.” – Memphis Bleek (149:30)
  • [148:05–149:57]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Wayne sent me a verse for free…but this is around the time where he doing 300 features a year…He ain't ask me for a dime.” – Jae Millz [07:47]
• “It’s like being Eddie Jones on the Lakers when Kobe came.” – Jae Millz [29:21]
• “You had to have a Bleek. You had to have a Beanie...That’s right.” – Memphis Bleek [62:41]
• “Music used to be the tree…Now music is just a branch on the tree. We are the tree.” – Jae Millz [122:15]
• “Sometimes it’s the messenger…that's when I learned shut the fuck up when you talking about Hov.” – Jae Millz [56:10]
• “You supposed to show your kids better than what you saw.” – Jae Millz [107:40]

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Key Segment Timestamps

• Early Roc-A-Fella board & street recruitment – 05:03–05:41
• Transition to Young Money, Lil Wayne’s influence – 06:48–08:46
• Mentorship from Mase and Mysonne – 09:01–10:24
• Inside competition at Young Money – 28:09–31:16
• Analogies and reflections on labels as ‘colleges’ – 18:01–21:12
• Industry changes: streaming, business, and branding – 70:01–70:58, 122:15–124:44
• Ghostwriting, Kanye, and rap politics – 54:03–56:18
• Battle rap evolution, crowd impact – 63:27–68:48
• Family decisions, moving to LA, and parenting – 99:41–111:22
• Legacy, podcasting, and new ventures – 150:58–153:05

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Conclusion

In one of the most unfiltered and insightful episodes of ROC Solid, Memphis Bleek and Jae Millz reflect on their careers, the rap games’ glory days and pitfalls, staying relevant, and the value of legacy in family and business. Their stories mix humor, nostalgia, hard-earned wisdom, and plenty of real talk — all wrapped in classic New York energy.

Stay solid. Stay ROC.

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Transcript

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[Memphis Bleek]

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[J. Mills]

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[Memphis Bleek]

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[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah, Memphis, I'm back at it. Notice the difference? Just more grown prey, no stones. Yeah, yeah y'. All. You already know what it is. Yours truly, M. Greasy, back with another Exclusive of Rock Solid Podcast. And like I tell you, if you in the show, either you was down with the rap or you certified solid in these streets and in this business and as a man walking these streets. And I like to welcome my brother sitting to the left of me, one of the best spitters underground. Soldiers ride for the crew to the wheels fall off out of Harlem holding it down. J. Mills in the building. My G. What's up, my brother?

[J. Mills]

What's good, man?

[Memphis Bleek]

How you been, man?

[J. Mills]

I appreciate you opening the platform to me, man. Congratulations on what you got going here.

[Memphis Bleek]

Appreciate you, bro. Appreciate you, man. No, man, I like to see guys like you, you know what I mean? Real New York spitters coming up, you know what I'm saying? Putting in that work before we go. I appreciate. You know what I mean? I appreciate that.

[J. Mills]

Oh, yeah, shout out to my man Chio De dawn, you know what I'm saying? He got a brand called a bakery up in Harlem. He just celebrated 10 years. That's why I got the decade hat. He said, make sure you get my man Bleak Son, man.

[Memphis Bleek]

What you appreciate it?

[J. Mills]

Give him the bakery joint with the B on it.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's right. That's right.

[J. Mills]

We out here black owned from the ground up. 10 years, that's a big B's on him. Yeah, yeah. Yo, before we get crazy, right, I wanna ask you one thing. I wanna ask you. You was on a podcast one time and you was talking about niggas that was on the board at Rockefeller.

[Memphis Bleek]

On the board? What you mean, like on the board? Like Nori. Nori. You've seen the board? I never seen the board because I never had the chance to ever be. They knew where I was at, so.

[J. Mills]

They said it was a board and.

[Memphis Bleek]

Death Jam because they wanted to go with who? Oh, oh, oh, that.

[J. Mills]

Yes, yes, I heard. I was on that board.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah. It was you. They had you. They had fucking what, son? And why.

[J. Mills]

Yeah, I remember him. I remember.

[Memphis Bleek]

It was Corey Guns was on there. True life. Yep.

[J. Mills]

Shout out to all these people, too. Shout out to all these Pat Poos is on the list. Yep, shout out to Pat.

[Memphis Bleek]

Who else? It was a lot of spitters on the list.

[J. Mills]

Now, with that being said, I just want to make sure. So that mean I could have possibly been on.

[Memphis Bleek]

Been on Rock Rock La Familiar. It was rock la familiar.

[J. Mills]

100. I take that that's good.

[Memphis Bleek]

100,000%.

[J. Mills]

That's good enough for me, all of y'.

[Memphis Bleek]

All. But I'm gonna tell y' all to.

[J. Mills]

Live with that one.

[Memphis Bleek]

I'm gonna tell y' all right there. It's crazy because they. They asked me when, like, you know, they was doing a poll with everybody in the office. You knew what's going on. And they like, yo, Bleak, what's up? I'm like, yo, everybody spit us. But at that time, the industry was on. It was on demon time.

[J. Mills]

Yeah, it was different.

[Memphis Bleek]

And I was just, you know, smack DVD to come up. All them shits was. I was just in the crib and shits. Niggas like, yo, bleep, you gotta get on these waves. And True Life and them was shooting shit up. They was in the park letting that gun fly.

[J. Mills]

Shout out to True Life, man. True Life had a. He had a real. He was viral before.

[Memphis Bleek]

Viral. Yeah. They just reminded.

[J. Mills]

You know what I'm saying?

[Memphis Bleek]

Like, when I seen them, they reminded me of Marcy. Niggas. It was just like, oh, shit. So Puerto Rican, deep in the. Ready to just get Bucky don't care. That was some New York.

[J. Mills]

I just wanted to know that.

[Memphis Bleek]

Nah, but all of y' all had everybody on that list, man, and everybody did they thing.

[J. Mills]

Everybody did they think everybody on that list did their thing.

[Memphis Bleek]

So you know what I'm saying? Like, I. I'm not. I know nobody shouldn't be ashamed if they.

[J. Mills]

Hell, no.

[Memphis Bleek]

Because I'm just happy to know I was on the list. Let's go from that shit. That didn't happen. But you wound up making the Young Money move.

[J. Mills]

Yeah, yeah. How that happened, the Young Money move was I was going through my transition from being at Universal SRC with Steve Rifkin and Sylvia Rohn, and all of.

[Memphis Bleek]

Them shout out, sylvia Rohn. She just retired, too. Word, word. Just saying. I read an article. I don't know, you know, some of these articles be AI, baby.

[J. Mills]

You never know. So what it was is I was leaving Universal, right? But I ain't really know what my situation. And that wasn't my first deal because I had to deal with Warner Brothers when I put out. No, no, no. That was my first single, so I was with Warner Brothers with that. And then when I put out, like who and my Swag and all that, joined with Scott Storch, joined with Swizz, Beats, Cool and Dre. I was on Universal, but it didn't really pan out. The album didn't pan out. So when I left Universal, I had a song called Holla at a Play I'll Never Forget, and I was getting radio play, but I didn't have a deal no more. So, you know, at that time, everything revolved around your spins. That's what your spins was. So I got enough Camilo Trent, everybody just spinning it. But it's mix show. They spinning it on they mix shows. So I'm like, damn. I was smart enough to be from the mix the remix era. So I know, don't go to the next song if you got some traction on this one. Do whatever you can do to keep this one going. I ain't got no deal. I'm in the hood. I said, all right. I reached out to Wayne. Wayne sent me a verse for it for free. But this is around the time where he doing 300 features a year. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He asked me for a dime. Damn. So I'm on some shit like, let.

[Memphis Bleek]

Me send you another one.

[J. Mills]

Nah, I'm on some shit like, yo, when next time you coming to New York? Cause I don't got no deal. So now I'm like, he must fuck with me to some extent to send me a verse. And don't ask for no bread or don't ask for fact. How much you got? So I said, he's like, I don't know when the next time I'm coming to New York. They don't really like me up there like that, but what you wanna holler at me about? So now I'm like, I could either be prideful and just tell this. Nah, thanks for the verse. Or I could tell him, yo, I'm up. I'm in Harlem. I ain't got no situation. If you building something, I see you got the young money. Let's figure something out. I told him that. He said, so you ain't got no deal. At that point, I'm like, oh, that feature's a dub.

[Memphis Bleek]

It's over.

[J. Mills]

It's over for that feature. He said, you ain't got no Democrat right back. Called me back with Tez, like, when can you get on the flight? I was like, yesterday.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's right.

[J. Mills]

Started laughing. Next day, I flew to Miami. After that. I was young. He didn't want to hear no music none. I seen enough. Damn. You know what I'm saying?

[Memphis Bleek]

You put in that was like, that's.

[J. Mills]

That's that's love right there.

[Memphis Bleek]

You put in that work and you came up with spitters. Know what I mean? My bro, my son, man.

[J. Mills]

Like, yo, mice. Like, mice raised me.

[Memphis Bleek]

Like, I know Mice raised me. I know. I know you.

[J. Mills]

That was. That was my first. That was my first. That was my first time being around somebody who wasn't really known yet. He wasn't really that nigga yet, but he had my son Lefty gun up in the right palm. He was that battled dmx. He was like a battle. He was like an underground nigga battling that.

[Memphis Bleek]

He had his weight up.

[J. Mills]

I didn't really know about him, though. So when I get around him, my favorite rapper's Mace. When I meet Tone and Naj, shout out to Tonin. Naj and Keisha Morris took me to meet Tone and Naj. That was Pac life, you know what I'm saying?

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah.

[J. Mills]

Took me to meet Tony Naj. When I get in there, Mice in there. So when I get around Mice, he's on Violator at that time, but I don't know who he is. I don't know nothing. Now may start coming around. So I'm looking at Tone like, oh, you know, y' all know Mace and all that. I don't even know that Mice is Mace, homie. Mice about to be on Mace album double up from. So I'm like, oh, so now I'm starting to be under Mice. And I'm realizing I'm a happy rapper. I rap about things I don't have yet. I rap about cars. And I got this. I'm rapping about the car Jay Z got on the Volume two poster that I pull out. That's right when I bought the album. And he got one leg up. I'm rapping about that car. I'm nowhere. I don't even have a license, but I'm rapping.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's my first car with no license.

[J. Mills]

I'm rapping about that shit. So when I got around Mice, Mice was the first person I seen that.

[Memphis Bleek]

Talked rap like, yo, let me tell.

[J. Mills]

You n about it. And I'm like, damn, this nigga's, like, commanding the room when he. I wanted that so I would go to high school. And at the lunch table, now I'm that. I want to command that shit.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah, yeah.

[J. Mills]

You know what I'm saying? I feel like Mice caught a bad break at a time where he was about to be that nigga.

[Memphis Bleek]

He definitely was.

[J. Mills]

People don't really know that. A lot of people don't know that.

[Memphis Bleek]

But Mice was on the.

[J. Mills]

He was on the verge.

[Memphis Bleek]

I was just about to say that. He don't get the credit as one of the top spitters out of New York, man.

[J. Mills]

You know, he like a politician.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah, he was holding.

[J. Mills]

Shouted him up there, Mice. But Mice used to be going crazy. I saw you said something about Hostile Ripper the other day. I said Bleak took It back. He was nice, yo.

[Memphis Bleek]

Haas was nice.

[J. Mills]

He was nice.

[Memphis Bleek]

Super nice, man. Like, and those are the type of guys that, like, you know, it's like the guys on the block, yo, I was better than Jordan. I just never got my break.

[J. Mills]

And it might be a few people like, nah. I seen that Nigga put up 63 one time.

[Memphis Bleek]

Word up. Like, put up 63. And them two N is them. Because if you even take it, get back to the Mace mice. The locks Cam. Yeah, My G, them was.

[J. Mills]

They was killing everything.

[Memphis Bleek]

They was dogs. That's pit bulls in the room fighting. And, like, what pick gonna win?

[J. Mills]

I was a little kid listening to Children of the Coin.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's what I'm saying.

[J. Mills]

I'm listening to Mace. Murder Mace.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah. Murder Mace. Yeah, yeah.

[J. Mills]

Herb McGruff.

[Memphis Bleek]

Oh, my. Big L, Big Al, Rest in peace.

[J. Mills]

I'm listening to them like they the Juice Crew.

[Memphis Bleek]

Them niggas was next level.

[J. Mills]

I live on 144th. Gruff is 40th 41st.

[Memphis Bleek]

Gruff used to be around through Daniel. We used to be in the crib.

[J. Mills]

So I used to grow up and be on the corner. We'd be playing three on three on the monkey bars. Come back on the block, you sweaty, you chilling. You get your butter roll and a quart of water. You sitting there, nigga, Big L will be walking by Gore Tex Pele jeans on Aviax hat to the regular Just on the block. Chilling.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah.

[J. Mills]

Then I go in the crib and look at video music box. And now I see if if rap was a game, I'd be mvp. I'm like, oh, that's the.

[Memphis Bleek]

That be just on the block.

[J. Mills]

He just be walking by, like, regular. Yo, he know Fat Joe.

[Memphis Bleek]

And these was he.

[J. Mills]

And digging in the cr. He no Diamond D. I'm putting all this together as a kid. It made it real for me.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah. And bringing up Fat Joe from back then, like, you know, a lot of these kids today, look at Fat Jo, yo. He capping. He this. Nah, Fat Joe was putting.

[J. Mills]

I tell Fat Joe all the time. My first two cassettes was totally crossed out and into the 36 chambers.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's right.

[J. Mills]

That was my first. I got a Walkman. And I listened to this. I listened to Warm it Up Chris, and I missed the bus. And then I listen to Raw. I'm gonna give it to you with no trivia.

[Memphis Bleek]

Nah, that's a fact. As a kid.

[J. Mills]

But my first two CDs was Fat Joe's. Jealous Ones, Envy and Go or Die.

[Memphis Bleek]

See, my first Fat Joe shit Was you gotta Flo Joe.

[J. Mills]

Oh, I didn't have money to cop it, but I remember everybody know Fat Joe's in. Never seen him with that haircut again in life. Joe, if you could get the Flo Joe cut again, you gonna kill him.

[Memphis Bleek]

Talking about the hair, my man Nori. Yo, you see Nori got.

[J. Mills]

I saw Nori had a part in the middle. He had like. The joints was like hanging a little bit.

[Memphis Bleek]

Like I told him, that's the Tevin Campbells, man. He capping out here. That's Tevin Campbell, man.

[J. Mills]

Those the old shout out to my man Nori.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yo, Nori, chill.

[J. Mills]

Can we talk to him? Crazy.

[Memphis Bleek]

Nori be trying to set nigg seeing the Drake champs. He like, yeah, this the f. This is the mother. We all take our hat off.

[J. Mills]

Nah, no.

[Memphis Bleek]

Tried to shit off me.

[J. Mills]

Nah, nah.

[Memphis Bleek]

When Nori.

[J. Mills]

When you see the braids, he could have it hang over the front of your line. But when you was doing that fade on the side. Yeah, I saw you on that rewind. My man sent me a picture of the rewind box the other day. He was like, I thought Nori had the braids. I was like, he must have did that box about two, three years ago.

[Memphis Bleek]

The man Kiss. Cause how these niggas was bald. They whole career. I' ma be real. Kiss. And they gonna grow they shit back right now in they 50s.

[J. Mills]

Kiss is Benjamin Button of hip hop. M. It's no way. It's no way. Yo, and he got a line.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah, like a sharp line.

[J. Mills]

It make you think like, that's some.

[Memphis Bleek]

Bullshit points and all that.

[J. Mills]

Like, he's got points.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yo, that nigga wanted to battle me with the hair. I said something about it.

[J. Mills]

I lost that woman trying to come at you with the hair.

[Memphis Bleek]

Like, I can't fight. It's over. I accept it. Listen, the bean, the Boston Baked Bean. I accepted it.

[J. Mills]

That's gross.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah, I accepted it, bro.

[J. Mills]

It's. When did you feel like, Yo, I'm just. When did you go ball? Cuz, I seen you in here in interviews and all. And in the video, the new video.

[Memphis Bleek]

In the beginning, It's All Right video, the hair was gone. Once I tied that shirt on the hat over the durag. That took the hair away again.

[J. Mills]

I was doing that in battles, yo. I was. I got a. I got a battle. I got a whole coogee on with a white T shirt tied around my head.

[Memphis Bleek]

And I used to. Yo me, see, I used to. My crew is the reason why I never. I always kept the durag Going too much. Yo, listen, between Dame, Tata, Hov, Emery, yo, my nigga.

[J. Mills]

Nah, just keep the hat on. Yo, with Dame. What Dame did to Clue. If I was you, I'd have kept my hat up, too. Nah, what Dame did to Clue on backstage was.

[Memphis Bleek]

That was diabolical. Yo, bro, I can't see Tata to this day. Tata, as soon as he see me. Yo, what's up, bean head? Nigga lame. He's laughing like. I'm telling you, bro. Them niggas chopping from the day. And y' all niggas from Harlem, man. Y' all on that chopping each other shit.

[J. Mills]

I ain't even gonna lie. The older niggas on 42nd and Lennox, like, all the niggas like Dame grew up with, they're really like that. That's why when I see like. Like Cam and Dame and all the shit, yo, it's crazy to see them going through it. Cause if it wasn't on camera, it probably wouldn't go that far. No, but really do that. Talk crazy to each other when you.

[Memphis Bleek]

When you.

[J. Mills]

When you comfortable and you got love. It's crazy.

[Memphis Bleek]

Your best friends say the most harmful, horrible, hurtful, hateful shit you can imagine to each other.

[J. Mills]

I ain't going to lie. Your mom's got a fatty. Yo, stop playing with my, like, straight up. Chill out. My. You wouldn't say that as adults.

[Memphis Bleek]

No, but as kids. Is crazy.

[J. Mills]

Talk crazy to each other. You come outside, dead, fly, fucking bum ass, bum ass nigga.

[Memphis Bleek]

You like, straight up. I'm killing it right now.

[J. Mills]

You think you fly, bum ass nigga.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yep.

[J. Mills]

Probably still got the tags on that shit. Now you want to fight Now I want to fight.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's a fact.

[J. Mills]

Cause you wilding on me now and I don't got no comebacks.

[Memphis Bleek]

But, yo, hold on. Let's rewind a little bit. Because the young. We ain't going to brush over the Young Money affiliation like that was just. You joined the Navy.

[J. Mills]

Nah. Yeah, that was college.

[Memphis Bleek]

We closed around a little bit. We ain't go. They ain't call us in the war. We never got active. Nah, nah. We just did Fleet Week. It went home. Nah, y' all went to war. Y' all did some. It was a lot of spitters. But one thing before I ask you. How was the competition amongst y'? All? It was one picture y' all posted, right? With all the whole Young Money roster mad at them. I don't know who them.

[J. Mills]

If you look at the Young Money cover of We Are Young Money. If you wasn't really a fan. Fan.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah. Like, yo, who the is that?

[J. Mills]

It's certain people. And I learned this when I got around Young Money. Because you gotta remember, when I run around Young Money, I always say that was like, college for me.

[Memphis Bleek]

Like.

[J. Mills]

I didn't get a chance to go to college because I had a deal. So I got accepted to nyu, but in my mind, fuck, I'm going to nyu for I got a deal. Probably was the dumbest decision I ever made.

[Memphis Bleek]

I agree. Because I didn't go to college. Because I.

[J. Mills]

Because you had a. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

[Memphis Bleek]

I had a deal. But if I'd have had the college chair, I'd have did both. Fuck that. I'm out here. Megan Thee Stallion did both.

[J. Mills]

You know what I'm saying? So being with Young Money, just real talk. Living in Miami, going on tour for four, five, six months. Like, when I got around, Wayne was finishing up Carter 3. So when I got around, he would be like, yo, play some joints on the album. And he would play me shit. And I remember he played me Lollipop. I'll never forget this shit. I remember the first time I heard Lollipop. It was like, the first time I heard welcome to New York City.

[Memphis Bleek]

You knew I heard welcome to New.

[J. Mills]

York City and Baseline one day, okay. Nigga was my man. Tone had went down there, took me. He was going to see Cam. This one Cam used to be Cam argued on the phone with a chick for an hour, cursed her out all sorts of crazy shit, and ended it on some real calm, nice, I love you shit. Say your tone. I want to play you something. I'm just a regular. I'm with my big homie. He played that shit. Turn the fucking music up. Just blaze like, what the fuck? As in baseline. Like, what the fuck this shit. Yo, I left Baseline and went back to Hunt 42nd in Linux and in the rain. Told everybody, yo, Cam got a song with Jay Z about to shut the whole. Yeah, nobody. It wasn't out. But I'm being like, he has a song with Word My. They talking about I'm from. They going back and forth on it. They going back and forth. Yo, my, that felt like, n. This. This is you out of here with this.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's right.

[J. Mills]

Wayne played me Lollipop. And I heard him doing the T Pain. Cause that was like, T pain was a.

[Memphis Bleek]

He was a whole.

[J. Mills]

You had to be in that era to understand that nigga was everywhere. You couldn't escape T Pain. So when Wayne adopted that type of style, Remember, I'm coming around as a fan. I'm coming around as a nigga that just asked you to put a verse on something. And you asked me when can I fly to Miami. And now I'm on tour with you. I never been on tour before. I never been. You know what I'm saying? I went on tour for so long, I came back. I was at the boatyard.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yo, chill. They told your shit.

[J. Mills]

I've been on roll so long at the boat. Leave it, I fuck it. I ain't even going back to get it now. All I know is what I've been told.

[Memphis Bleek]

And that to half truth is a whole lie.

[Maggie Freeling]

For almost a decade, the murder of an 18 year old girl from a small town in Graves County, Kentucky went unsolved until a local homemaker, a journalist, and a handful of girls came forward with a story.

[Memphis Bleek]

I'm telling you, we know Quincy killed it.

[Maggie Freeling]

We know a story that law enforcement used to convict six people and that got the citizen investigator on national tv.

[J. Mills]

Through sheer persistence and nerve, this Kentucky housewife helped give justice to Jessica Curran.

[Maggie Freeling]

My name is Maggie Freeling. I'm a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist producer, and I wouldn't be here if the truth were that easy to find.

[J. Mills]

I did not know her and I did not kill her her or rape or burn or any of that other.

[Memphis Bleek]

Stuff that y' all said. They literally made me say that I took a match and struck and threw it on her. They made me say that I poured gas on her.

[Maggie Freeling]

From lava. For good. This is Graves County, a show about just how far our legal system will go in order to find someone to blame.

[J. Mills]

America, y' all better wake the hell up. Bad things happens to good people and small towns.

[Maggie Freeling]

Listen to Graves county in the Bone Valley feed on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And to binge the entire season ad free. Subscribe to Lava for Good plus on Apple Podcasts.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

I'm Jonathan Goldstein. And on the new season of Heavyweight, I help a centenarian mend a broken.

[J. Mills]

How can a 101-year-old woman fall in love again?

[Jonathan Goldstein]

And I help a man atone for an armed robbery he committed at 14 years old. And so I pointed the gun at.

[J. Mills]

Him and said, this isn't a joke.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

And he got down.

[J. Mills]

And I remember feeling kind of a surge of like, okay, this is power.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Plus. My old friend Gregor and his brother try to solve my problems through hypnotism.

[J. Mills]

We could give you a whole brand new thing where you're like, super charming all the time, being more able to look people in the eye, not always hide behind a microphone.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Listen to heavyweight on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Narrator of Chinatown Sting]

In early 1988, federal agents raced to track down the gang they suspect of importing millions of dollars worth of heroin into New York from Asia.

[Memphis Bleek]

We had 30 agents ready to go with shotguns and rifles and you name it.

[Narrator of Chinatown Sting]

But what they find is not what they expected.

[J. Mills]

Basically, your stay at home moms were picking up these large amounts of heroin. They go, is this your daughter? I said, yes. They go, oh, you may not see her for like 25 years.

[Narrator of Chinatown Sting]

Caught between a federal investigation and the violent gang who recruited them, the women must decide who they're willing to protect and who they dare to betray.

[J. Mills]

Once I saw the gun, I tried to take his hand and I saw the flash of light.

[Narrator of Chinatown Sting]

Listen to the Chinatown sting on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or anywhere you get your podcast.

[Michael Lewis]

Michael Lewis here. My book the Big Short tells the story of the buildup and birth of the US housing market back in 2008. It follows a few unlikely but lucky people who saw the real estate market for the black hole it would become and eventually made billions of dollars from that perception. It was like feeding the monster, said Eisman. We fed the monster until it blew up. The monster was exploded. Yet on the streets of Manhattan, there was no sign anything important had just happened. Now, 15 years after the Big Short's original release and a decade after it became an Academy Award winning movie, I've recorded an audiobook edition for the very first time. The Big Short story. What it means when people start betting against the market and who really pays for an unchecked financial system is as relevant today as it's ever been, offering invaluable insight into the current economy and also today's politics. Get the Big Short now at Pushkin fm. Audiobooks or wherever audiobooks are sold.

[Eva Longoria]

I'm Eva Longoria.

[Maite Gomez Rejuan]

And I'm Maite Gomez Rejuan.

[Eva Longoria]

And on our podcast Hungry for History, we mix two of our favorite things, food and history.

[Maite Gomez Rejuan]

Ancient Athenians used to scratch names onto oyster shells and they called these ostracons to vote politicians into exile. So our word ostracized is related to the word oyster.

[Memphis Bleek]

No way.

[Maite Gomez Rejuan]

Bring back the ostracon.

[Eva Longoria]

And because we've got a very mi casa e su casa kind of vibe on our show, friends always stop by.

[J. Mills]

Pretty much every entry into this side of the planet was through the El Golf Of Mexico. No, the America.

[Memphis Bleek]

No, the America.

[J. Mills]

Forever and ever.

[Eva Longoria]

It blows me away how progressive Mexico was in this moment. They had land reform, they had labor rights, they had education rights.

[Maite Gomez Rejuan]

Mustard seeds were so valuable to the ancient Egyptians that they used to place them in their tombs for the afterlife.

[Eva Longoria]

Listen to Hungry for History as part of the My Cultura podcast network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Memphis Bleek]

Okay, I'm gonna let you finish your story, but then we gonna get into the marriage fiance shit. But finish.

[J. Mills]

So. So with Wayne.

[Memphis Bleek]

I got a story for that.

[J. Mills]

With Wayne seeing the. With the lollipop shit, it was like, yo, this shit about to be crazy. So I used to always ask him, yo, let me yo put lollipop on. I remember one day, he was like, yo, Mills, we ain't just gonna ride around on the bus and let's to lollipop all day, bro. Like, you could. You could have this. You could just listen to that. Gave me a cd. Now, Wayne went to school for psychology. He's very smart. I didn't know this yet, but I was smart enough to know this song. Can't never leave my premises. I went home and loaded it on the Xbox. If a want to take this from the crib, you gonna have to take my whole Xbox. My nigga asked Wayne before Carter 3 came out.

[Memphis Bleek]

Out.

[J. Mills]

Yeah, how much. How much you think you're gonna do first week? Because remember, Mary had just did like six or some crazy. So how much you think you're gonna do first week? I mean, he's like, 253. I think I'm good. 253. I remember we was like, yeah, that'd be good.

[Memphis Bleek]

Hell yeah.

[J. Mills]

I remember we was like, that'll be good, bro. You do like 300. That's my. When themselves came back, went in the club one night, and he was like, I'm gonna stay on the bus, y'. All.

[Memphis Bleek]

I'll be in there in a minute.

[J. Mills]

And niggas came off the bus, and he had. Did the Ameli remix. Like, congratulations. You know, after the sales came back, nigga did that shit while niggas waiting for him to come in the club.

[Memphis Bleek]

Wow.

[J. Mills]

So seeing. It's like. It's like with you when you be telling stories about. You remember seeing HOV with a different type of dedication than anybody had. Definitely even yourself. Like, yo, my nigga, I seen him do shit that I never seen other rappers, and I seen them come around him and see his work ethic and be like, Nah, I gotta step my shit up. That's the shit that kept me going a million percent being around a nigga like Wayne. But you said something about being with Young Money and the team. Shit, I always give this analogy, bro. When be like, yo, what was it like being with Young Money when Drake came? I said, it's like being Eddie Jones on the Lakers when Kobe came. That's what it felt like for all of us. Now I can't speak for everybody. I'm gonna just speak for J. Mills. I know. When we was going to the Every Girl in the World video shoot, Jazz Prince was still around, drink a lot. So he was like. He was in a limo with us and he was like, there's a few of us on the song and like, a few people. Wayne wasn't there. I don't think Mack Main was in the car, but everybody else was in the. We was in the limo going to the set. He said, yo, y' all wanna hear something? I got Drake new project if y' all wanna hear. We was like, hell, yeah. Put that shit on. Like, bet that N put on so Far Gone.

[Memphis Bleek]

I know N quiet in the car.

[J. Mills]

I should say I got a certain lust for life. We was like. I think he said, no, no, no. We was like, oh, this sing too. Kept listening to that. By the time we got to the video show, I looked at Gutter Gutter. I said, my we in trouble.

[Memphis Bleek]

So we in trouble, yo.

[J. Mills]

See, I'm older now, so I can talk about this.

[Memphis Bleek]

When I heard homie say his first song, when he said we could split it like the last slice, like, oh, yeah, yeah, it's a problem.

[J. Mills]

I could probably sell a blank disc. And he, yo, I'm not gonna lie. At that time. And I remember seeing the Drake. The Drake wave happen. I remember seeing the Nicki wave happen. I remember Wayne going to jail and we had to figure out what we gonna do. It was like Drake and Nikki kept the lights on while Wayne was in jail. And Wayne came home and he caught fire again. So I tell niggas all the time, it was a lot of artists on Young Money. It was a lot of artists on Rockefeller.

[Memphis Bleek]

Hell yeah.

[J. Mills]

That's gonna get gold plaques. Everybody not gonna.

[Memphis Bleek]

They not.

[J. Mills]

And you might be nice as fuck, you might be a crazy artist, but.

[Memphis Bleek]

Bro, to still have an impact and have a name matters. Because think about it. Out of the whole Young Money roster, only people they remember is Drake, Nikki, Tyga, you. That's it.

[J. Mills]

Gutter, gutter. You know what I'm saying? N Remember Lil Twist and Lil Chucky if you're younger? Because those was people you looked at.

[Memphis Bleek]

Like, you gotta remember, that's making real music, bro. They was making music for kids. That wasn't my era. I'm nothing against them, you know what I'm saying? They just wasn't making music that I'm putting on, you know what I'm saying? But y' all made y' all impact. You did your thing. It's the same thing with Roc. A fella Petey Crack never got a chance to drop an album, but. But the world know who Pete Crack is.

[J. Mills]

Yeah. You respect him for what he did.

[Memphis Bleek]

You know what I'm saying? Like. Like Oskino and Sparks never dropped the album, but they know who Oschino and Sparks is.

[J. Mills]

You know what I think? You know what I think helped me too Bleak. I think what helped me was by the time I got to Young Money, I had had situations already.

[Memphis Bleek]

So you knew.

[J. Mills]

Young Money didn't break my heart, you know what I'm saying? I had already knew what I'm signing up for. I had already knew. This ain't all about me, you know what I'm saying? I'm signing to a rapper at the height of his career right now. Anything he doing for me or any of us, that shit is extra credit. Wayne used to pull in the Red Lobster, seven tour buses. He wants steak, shrimp and two lobster tails. Seven buses get steak, shrimp and two lobster tails.

[Memphis Bleek]

Wow.

[J. Mills]

I ain't about to ask you what you want. You. What you want. You. I know you want. I know you want steak, shrimp. I know you want steak, shrimp, lobster and a baked potato. I know you want this.

[Memphis Bleek]

I ain't gonna cap. Hov ain't do that. Everybody was ordering what they wanted. We all wasn't getting one thing, dog. Seven buses.

[J. Mills]

Sagittarius. The ho was petty. I remember you said the nigga rolled with the window down all the way back in the show. He's petty.

[Memphis Bleek]

We used to do shit, bro. We was shooting Do My Video in la.

[J. Mills]

Want this Classic.

[Memphis Bleek]

So when we first found out about Carl's Jr. Shut that down for three hours. B. Paid them to close it. Just us. What? Like, that's how HOV did it. We was like.

[J. Mills]

We wanted to see a movie.

[Memphis Bleek]

He shut the whole movie theater. Every theater, everything in the theater free.

[J. Mills]

That's fine.

[Memphis Bleek]

We want to go to Six Flags. We shut the whole Six Flags down. We want to go to Disneyland. Shut the whole park down. Just for us.

[J. Mills]

Just for y'.

[Memphis Bleek]

All. Just for us.

[J. Mills]

That's fire.

[Memphis Bleek]

I still, to this day, I can't do that.

[J. Mills]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Memphis Bleek]

I ain't shutting it down. I'll buy you whatever you want.

[J. Mills]

Still to this day, I'm not doing that.

[Memphis Bleek]

No, I would if I had the chicken. Me and all my niggas, we want like, yo, bro, I remember when we was. When state property came out.

[J. Mills]

Gotta put that on the drink champs number budget. That can't come out of your. That can't come out of your budget.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah, we had one movie, you know, premiere. They can shut the whole movie theater down. You could go watch every movie that was in the theater. Everything from the concession stands, all the slushies, everything free. We in there about 2500 people, bro.

[J. Mills]

Yo, I want to ask you something that's like, what.

[Memphis Bleek]

How much that costs?

[J. Mills]

I want to ask you something, because I don't even ask. Because I'm a. I'm a. I always tell you, man, I'm a fan. I have no problem with telling you I'm a fan, bro. As I was listening, man, before was listening to me. I was listening to you.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's how I am listening to y'.

[J. Mills]

All.

[Memphis Bleek]

Up y' all the spitters, y' all the next wave. It's like, damn, who. Who. Who gonna carry the torch? Who the that's gonna hold it down? Oh, between you pap, Saigon, true. So many artists out of New York, bro. It's too many, man. Too many. As you can see, all of y' all made John Mark, though, bro.

[J. Mills]

So figured it out.

[Memphis Bleek]

We fans of y', all, too.

[J. Mills]

Figured it out. I'm. I'mma tell you some real. Rest in peace to my man Omen. My man Omen just passed. I don't know if you know that or not.

[Memphis Bleek]

No, No, I didn't. God bless, though.

[J. Mills]

Omen was the first person that showed me a plaque and let me touch. Was a Memphis bleak coming of age plaque.

[Memphis Bleek]

You know what I mean? Put that gold boy up on him.

[J. Mills]

He did regular cat. Oh, he produced with.

[Memphis Bleek]

I used with my guy, Jay Runner.

[J. Mills]

I do know who I used to. He lived across the street from me. Yeah, he did a bunch of beats for me, like, when I was coming up, like. So I used to go to his crib. Cause I was cool with his little cousin. We went to school together. So I would go to his crib, play live and all that, you know, he a little older. He'd be in there making beats. He doing all this shit. And I remember he had to come in an age plaque you know what I'm saying? Present it to Sydney Omi. And I remember, I was like, damn, bro. I used to always listen to your album and listen to Regular Cat and be like, damn, I know the nigga who did. You know, when you young, you feel like, attached to shit like that. Like, yo, I know the nigga who did the beat.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's the same way I felt when I first seen Jay and Big Daddy, King Video and Source Money and King Video, it was like, man, these niggas from my. My projects.

[J. Mills]

Like, what was your favorite. What was your favorite era of. Of your career?

[Memphis Bleek]

Of mine?

[J. Mills]

Of, like, not. It don't. It don't have to do with selling records or anything, but just, like, what matters the most to you? Like, whatever matters the most to you.

[Memphis Bleek]

My first. My first two albums, Coming to Age, and the Understanding was my babies. I feel like after those albums, the success and the attention I got is when people started staring me. And then I started trying to make music to please the fans. But those first two albums was just me rapping for my block, Me rapping for my niggas. Like, I didn't know the world yet. You know what I'm saying? So all I knew was what Marcy taught me, what Brooklyn showed me, what New York City, traveling over here, over there. So to me, if you wanted to know who I really was back then, those first two albums. Tell as Tell.

[J. Mills]

Yeah. Understanding was probably my favorite album from you, my brother. You know what I'm saying? I remember at that point, I felt like that was you.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah.

[J. Mills]

I felt like Coming to Age was still. That was still like, Jay's this my creation a little bit.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's what's so evil. A lot of people think that, but.

[J. Mills]

Cause that's how it just felt like that. Because we knew you from.

[Memphis Bleek]

See, but this is the thing that. I'm glad you saying this. Cause I get to say this now. I always told the world, right? Like, Jay wrote Coming to Age for me. Coming to age one, Coming to age two. Not the album. The song on his album. So me being a rapper, knowing people like Lil Ceeze, no disrespect, Ceeze, my brother, but he wasn't a rapper, so big, right for him, you know, that's why his raps couldn't elevate to the same. So. So I always had to compete with what Jay wrote for me. So with that being said, him doing that made me better. It made me an animal. Because when it came time to drop my album, I knew people was Gonna be like, yeah, Jay helped him with that. Jay did why?

[J. Mills]

And that made you go even harder.

[Memphis Bleek]

And that's because that's what made me go hard on the album. Because they felt like he was helping me with everything. But Jay would leave you for dead. Jay would come in the studio and be like, yo, this be hard, yo, yo, these two bars is dope. Give you two lines. A song is about 160 lines. You gave me two. What I'm supposed to say after this? You gave me the hardest lines in the song. What I'm supposed to say after that? Hov. Now I'm sitting there for hours and hours. And, bro, that mental wear and tear, that's what prepared me to get into the game. And that's why I say my first album is my baby and my second album, because Rockefeller didn't even believe in me then, bro. Beanie Siegel came a lot going.

[J. Mills]

It was a lot going on at Beanie Seagull. By the time you got came on the stand, by the time you got to the understanding, it was dipset there yet.

[Memphis Bleek]

No. You remember the scene, Kanye. No, you remember the scene in fucking. What is it in Juice? Is it Juice with Bishop in them?

[J. Mills]

Which scene? That's one of my favorite movies.

[Memphis Bleek]

When Tupac by the locker, when he closed his locker, and he said, where you been?

[J. Mills]

I've been looking for you.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's how Beans came on rocks.

[J. Mills]

Last time you said that, I was kind of tripping, right?

[Memphis Bleek]

Yo, that's how Beans came on Roc a fella when I closed the locker, like, I'm good. He's standing there like this, yo.

[J. Mills]

I felt like when Beans came, when I knew it was like, oh, shit. Like they two different artists. And Beans came and that's cool. Like, it was thousand bars freestyle.

[Memphis Bleek]

Oh, I hated it.

[J. Mills]

I was like, why they lying, my man?

[Memphis Bleek]

Like that.

[J. Mills]

Yo, bro, I used to argue. I was always a nigga to be.

[Memphis Bleek]

Like, I got smok. And I knew it. That and why he didn't.

[J. Mills]

And Crew Love wouldn't just let him. That's true. Nah, Krulov Cru Love.

[Memphis Bleek]

I can't. I can't. That's why I'm say the. That's why it confused me when Beans went on T and it's like, yo, J, if Jay helped me, thousand bars would have been way better than what it was.

[J. Mills]

I'm like, why? They didn't have to put bleep on thousand. They didn't have to put no. And that was in the time where Beanie was like, Going. He was like. It was like. It was kind of like undeniable, too, yo.

[Memphis Bleek]

Undeniable.

[J. Mills]

It was undeniable. So it's like we just going to roll with the waivers. It's the same thing with the Drake shit. It's like, yo, that's why I always say, if that was my first deal, I might have took a lot of things different. Like, I left Young Money because I didn't feel Wayne owed me nothing. That's why I said that was my first deal. I might have been emotionally attached. Like, man, them me up, man. If they would have did this, I could have. It's like, nah. But what they didn't do, you gonna run out of time in the day trying to explain the shit they did. Do you know what I'm saying? If a Nigga fighting for 50 million and fighting to get his album out.

[Memphis Bleek]

We ain't got time to fight for you.

[J. Mills]

Cause I know if a nigga owe.

[Memphis Bleek]

Me 50 million, I'm on his ass.

[J. Mills]

I don't give a fuck about nobody in this room. Album coming out, straight up. I don't care about none of y' all niggas rent, none of y' all niggas problems. I don't care. You see what I'm going.

[Memphis Bleek]

I need that 50.

[J. Mills]

And he never handled it like that with us. He kept it moving. We stayed on the road. He kept it. He kept it going. So at some point, I was like. My fiance used to always tell me this. Do you think. Cause you know, you talk to your lady back and forth about shit all the time. So I'm asking her. I don't really want to leave yet, because that's like my umbrella. Yeah, that's. You know what I'm saying? That's my. If I leave there right now, I gotta build something. So I started, like, building the potent department in my own little crew before I left. But she used to be like, do you think you've went like this at Young Money and you could keep going up? Or do you think you've went up and came back down and now you're just doing like this? Cause if you doing like this, you could do that on your own. If there's no higher level for you to go to at Young Money, then you could fly at a level, At a base level, on your own. You know what I'm saying? So at that point, it was like, yeah, I don't think. Think Wayne don't owe me nothing. I always say that shit like, nigga gave me a chance, but it wasn't nobody else giving me a chance when he told me to get. Yo, you wanna get on that flight? Wasn't nobody else trying to put me on nothing. Ain't nobody take me on tours. I don't have billboard plaques on my walls and gold plaques and 300 million streams for bedrocking. I don't got none of that shit if he don't be like, yo, so you wanna get on a flight tomorrow, like building some shit at Young Money if you wanna be a part of it. You know what I'm saying?

[Memphis Bleek]

That's right.

[J. Mills]

So at the end of the day, you take if the long as the good outweigh the bad. And I feel like the good at Young Money outweigh the bad because you don't remember the bad.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's right.

[J. Mills]

You know what I'm saying? You remember your bro. I remember you was flaming. I remember on the gangster grill when I heard you on. You was going crazy. I remember every time I heard you on something with Wayne, you were standing tall. So I'm cool with that. You know what I'm saying? Everybody not gonna get a chance to hang the platinum plaque on the way. It was a lot of at roc a fella that I thought was dope. But everybody ain't gonna get a chance to have a whole not. Not like this is state property album or this is a. This is a compilation album. Yeah, this is the We Are Young Money album. Yeah, we Are Young Money did his thing. Bedrock. And every girl did their thing. But Drake, Tyga and Nicki got their own plaques. Yeah. And that's cool.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's the same thing. High. And bro, I don't take credit for the Dynasty sales. That shit went 4 or 5 million. But you don't hear me say I put up a nickel. But.

[J. Mills]

But you can.

[Memphis Bleek]

I can.

[J. Mills]

You know why you can?

[Memphis Bleek]

Cause I' that album.

[J. Mills]

Because Chic Lucha's still on the Benjamins.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's right. That's a fact.

[J. Mills]

You talking about you can't. What you want to do.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's a fact.

[J. Mills]

You know what I'm saying? So you can't. There ain't no parking lot pimping without you. No, it ain't no one 900 hustler without you. So that is your.

[Memphis Bleek]

Nah.

[J. Mills]

100 you might not want to carry.

[Memphis Bleek]

And they hijacked me for my record, man.

[J. Mills]

1900 hustler.

[Memphis Bleek]

No, no, no, no. The record I got on there. Do the holla that, you know.

[J. Mills]

But I'm all right. So as a fan, can I tell you something?

[Memphis Bleek]

Go ahead. They hijacked me. He dropped the biscuit, y'. All. You heard he's still running around gooning y'. All. Nah, I'm capping. I'm capping.

[J. Mills]

I'm capping the camera. No, he tried to line me up.

[Memphis Bleek]

He tried to line me up. We talking about how I got hijacked for Holla.

[Eva Longoria]

Holla.

[J. Mills]

All right, look, this is why I felt like Holla was good at that time for you.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah, that was the. That was it.

[J. Mills]

Because the Dynasty album was phenomenal, right? It was phenomenal. But we needed to hear you without them niggas at that time, because it was Seagull. Seagull, huh?

[Memphis Bleek]

Myth.

[J. Mills]

Bleak. What it was was, y' all truly ain't ready for this Dynasty thing.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah.

[J. Mills]

Everything was like, it's him, him, him, her.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah.

[J. Mills]

And it was fire. But that one, just him that wasn't supposed to be on that album, listening to that song. Yeah, you with him. Cause you could listen to Jay. You could listen to Streets is not only watching, but they talking now.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's right. You could.

[J. Mills]

You could listen to Beanie Jay. You can listen to all that shit if you want. But if you come to Holla, if you come there, you fucking with Memphis.

[Memphis Bleek]

Nah, that's a fact.

[J. Mills]

So that's why you needed that for that album.

[Memphis Bleek]

And that was my. Yo, that song, why I felt like I got hijacked for that song. Because this is when I really learned the business. I stuck a nigga up and got stuck up at the same time.

[J. Mills]

You rob somebody for the beat?

[Memphis Bleek]

Yes. Me and my manager, it was a two way robbery. So we robbed the we, yo, produced the beat. Ain't gonna say no name, but we. My manager wrote on the napkin, like, yo, how much you want for the beat? The wrote down 5,000. So my manager, like, I think you put one too many zeros. So the like, yeah, I'll bug it. He took a zero away. It was like 500. So they was like, all right, cool. 500. You good. But then my manager, so I'm telling B, he like, yo, we should buy the rights to the Beat, everything. So it say produced by us. So I'm like, all right, cool. No problem. Let's give him the 5,000 and buy the rights. So niggas like it. Give him the 5,000. He sold us the rights, the publisher, everything.

[J. Mills]

That don't sound robbery, though.

[Memphis Bleek]

No, listen, that's robbery. He would have made way more money. He'd have kept his publisher. That was a motherfucker. You kidding me? $5,000. I would never. That's like, imagine selling the rights to one of your rights for 5,000. And that went 5 million.

[J. Mills]

But he didn't know it was gonna go.

[Memphis Bleek]

I don't care. It's Jay Z. Is it on his album? This is Memphis bleak. I'm selling 500,000 records every album.

[J. Mills]

Yo, listen, so I might ask for a little more.

[Memphis Bleek]

So this is what I'm telling you. So boom, we get the rights. Now it's supposed to be the single to the understanding. Okay, Jay come in the studio, he had a record. Nah, this gotta be on the Dynasty. So now in my mind, Chip fucking Ching. Yes. Put it on the Dynasty. It's produced by Memphis Bleak Beehive. I wrote all the lyrics. I don't got nobody featured on the hook. I don't gotta give no percentage to nobody. 100%.

[J. Mills]

So where's the uppercut?

[Memphis Bleek]

90% of this record, where's the uppercut? Yo, you notice my album too, right? I gotta get PC you didn't do anything on this. What I'm saying, you ain't help with the robbery. You ain't giving me an idea. If you'd have came in and be like, bleak, change this to that, you know, yo, holla, you know, you could put this. Then it'd be like, cool that I'm like, I'm fighting. Yo, this probably the only time I think I tried to fight Hov, like, go back and forth like, nah, I don't care. Don't put it on the album. No, put it on my album. I don't care. You don't tell me. I control these records. I put it on any album I.

[J. Mills]

Want to put it on.

[Memphis Bleek]

So niggas like, all right it. What the percentage I'mma get. That nigga took half. Whatever you getting, I want half. It's like, I can't say.

[J. Mills]

And you can't even argue. Yeah, it's like argue with it.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yo, 1% of something is great, but 90% of the sign is fucking heaven.

[J. Mills]

Yeah.

[Memphis Bleek]

So that record, when you look at.

[J. Mills]

The credits business list, niggas want to.

[Memphis Bleek]

Be like, yeah, HOV wrote for. I produce for hov.

[J. Mills]

Fuck it. Nah, nah, you gotta stand on that.

[Memphis Bleek]

You know what I mean?

[J. Mills]

You gotta stand on that one. You gotta stand on that one, you.

[Memphis Bleek]

Know what I mean?

[J. Mills]

All I know is what I've been told.

[Memphis Bleek]

And that to have truth is a whole lie.

[Maggie Freeling]

For almost a decade, the murder of an 18 year old girl from a small town in Graves County, Kentucky, went unsolved until a local homemaker, a journalist and a handful of girls came forward.

[J. Mills]

With a story I'm telling you, we know Quincy.

[Maggie Freeling]

A story that law enforcement used to convict six people and that got the citizen investigator on national tv.

[J. Mills]

Through sheer persistence and nerve, this Kentucky housewife helped give justice to Jessica Curran.

[Maggie Freeling]

My name is Maggie Freeling. I'm a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist producer, and I wouldn't be here if the truth were that easy to find.

[J. Mills]

I did not know her and I did not care kill her or rape or burn or any of that other.

[Memphis Bleek]

Stuff that y' all said. They literally made me say that I took a match and struck and threw it on her. They made me say that I poured gas on her.

[Maggie Freeling]

From Lava for Good. This is Graves County, a show about just how far our legal system will go in order to find someone to blame.

[J. Mills]

America, y' all better wake the hell up. Bad things happens to good people and small towns.

[Maggie Freeling]

Listen to Graves county in the Bone Valley feed on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And to binge the entire season ad free. Subscribe to Lava for Good plus on Apple Podcasts.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

I'm Jonathan Goldstein, and on the new season of Heavyweight, I help a centenarian mend a broken heart.

[J. Mills]

How can 101-year-old woman fall in love again?

[Jonathan Goldstein]

And I help a man atone for an armed robbery he committed at 14 years old. And so I pointed the gun at him and said, this isn't a joke. And he got down.

[J. Mills]

And I remember feeling kind of a.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Surge of like, okay, this is power Plus. My old friend Gregor and his brother try to solve my problems through hypnotism.

[J. Mills]

We could give you a whole brand new thing where you're, like, super charming all the time, being more able to look people in the eye, not always hide behind a microphone.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Listen to heavyweight on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Narrator of Chinatown Sting]

In early 1988, federal agents raced to track down the gang they suspect of importing millions of dollars worth of heroin into New York from Asia.

[Memphis Bleek]

We had 30 agents ready to go with shotguns and rifles, and you name it.

[Narrator of Chinatown Sting]

But what they find is not what they expected.

[J. Mills]

Basically, your stay at home mom were picking up these large amounts of heroin. They go, is this your daughter? I said, yes. They go, oh, you may not see her for like, 25 years.

[Narrator of Chinatown Sting]

Caught between a federal investigation and the violent gang who recruited them, the women must decide who they're willing to protect and who they dare to betray.

[J. Mills]

Once I saw the gun. I tried to take his hand and I saw the. The flash of light.

[Narrator of Chinatown Sting]

Listen to the Chinatown sting on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or anywhere you get your podcasts.

[Eva Longoria]

I'm Eva Longoria.

[Maite Gomez Rejuan]

And I'm Maite Gomez Rejun.

[Eva Longoria]

And on our podcast Hungry for History, we mix two of our favorite things, food and history.

[Maite Gomez Rejuan]

Ancient Athenians used to scratch names onto oyster shells and they called these ostracons to vote politicians into exile. So our word ostracize is related to the word oyster.

[J. Mills]

No way.

[Maite Gomez Rejuan]

Bring back the ostracon.

[Eva Longoria]

And because we've got a very mi casa es su casa kind of vibe on our show, friends always stop by.

[J. Mills]

Pretty much every entry into this side of the planet was through the El Golf of Mexico. No, the America.

[Memphis Bleek]

No, the America.

[J. Mills]

Forever and ever.

[Eva Longoria]

It blows me away how progressive Mexico was in this moment. They had land reform, they had labor rights, they had education rights.

[Maite Gomez Rejuan]

Mustard seeds were so valuable to the ancient Egyptians that they used to place them in their tombs for the afterlife.

[Eva Longoria]

Listen to Hungry for History as part of the My Kultura podcast network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Dr. Elizabeth Poynter]

Welcome to Decoding Women's Health. I'm Dr. Elizabeth Poynter, Chair of Women's health and Gynecology at the Atria Health Institute in New York City. On this show, I'll be talking to top researchers and top clinicians, asking them your burning questions and bringing that information about women's health and midlife directly to you.

[Eva Longoria]

100% of women go through menopause. It can be can be such a struggle for our quality of life. But even if it's natural, why should.

[J. Mills]

We suffer through it? The types of symptoms that people talk.

[Maggie Freeling]

About is forgetting everything. I never used to forget things. They're concerned that one, they have dementia and the other one is do I have adhd?

[Dr. Elizabeth Poynter]

There is unprecedented promise with regard to cannabis and cannabinoids to sleep better, to have less pain, to have better mood, and also to have better day to day life. Listen to Decoding Women's Health with Dr. Elizabeth Poynter on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you're listening now.

[Memphis Bleek]

But yo, I seen some where you was talking about ghostwriters and writers in the industry and you was like Kanye, you felt rope for Jay.

[J. Mills]

Oh shit, hold on now, hold on now. Disclaimer, yo. Cause I ain't gonna lie. Niggas started acting real funny with me after that clip. I don't Know what happened? I don't know who was scared of hov not being they friend no more. They got spooky for about four, five months, tripped on you. Niggas was like secret friends.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yo, chill. You know how, like, niggas fucking can't have an opinion.

[J. Mills]

Not about hov Chill, chill.

[Memphis Bleek]

What the fuck is you talking about?

[J. Mills]

I tried to say, you know, I'm glad you asked me that. Cause I could clear that up here. Cause I know hov gonna see this. So I could clear it up. I could clear it up here, right? Yeah, I know hov gonna see this, right? So I was basically saying how they was talking about the Quentin Miller and the Drake shit, right?

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[J. Mills]

So I was basically saying. I was trying to give an example. Playing devil's advocate, just trying to give an example. Like, all right, well, N will hold Drake to that standard or hold this person to that standard. Not necessarily Drake. Let's get away from Drake. Just any sort of rapper. You'll hold him to that standard. But I seen Fade to Black.

[Memphis Bleek]

Mm.

[J. Mills]

Now, everybody that watched that clip seen fake.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah. You've seen Kanye get whole songs.

[J. Mills]

I've seen Kanye give whole songs before. Yeah. With the hook on it in the clip. I said, we've all seen Fade to Black. That doesn't change Jay Z as a. But it changes Drake, though. But I never thought that. Because Kanye said, lucifer, Lucifer, if you don't use this, I'm gonna use this on my album. I gotta get them devils out. I didn't think that was like, oh, he be writing all Jay Z shit. No, but he gave him. It was a restaurant, yo, listen.

[Memphis Bleek]

Cause you probably worded it wrong.

[J. Mills]

And Gilly said the same thing. You probably were four months later, the same. Gilly said the same. Ain't no. It ain't break no. It ain't break no outlets. It ain't go viral. Same. He said the same exact shit. Sometimes it's the messenger don't With a mills.

[Memphis Bleek]

Sometimes.

[J. Mills]

That's when I learned shut the up. When you talking about hoes.

[Memphis Bleek]

Nah, man, I ain't say shit about Jay Z since then.

[J. Mills]

Everything been nice since then.

[Memphis Bleek]

I guarantee you it ain't. It ain't. Hey, that ain't even penetrate the big hole.

[J. Mills]

Care about that? That was like, off the wall crazy.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah, but.

[J. Mills]

But it's just.

[Memphis Bleek]

I don't even play pause. Ever since I had kids, I retired. Pause. But now you from Harlem, so I gotta say, Paul's my kids won't let me.

[J. Mills]

My son, 20, he won't let me.

[Memphis Bleek]

I know you ain't telling your. Your son, get the rock. I know you didn't grow up telling your son, get the rock.

[J. Mills]

He gonna be like, dead.

[Memphis Bleek]

Told him, get the ball.

[J. Mills]

He gonna be like this, yo.

[Memphis Bleek]

So your son was poisoned to teach you.

[J. Mills]

All his friends in the car. Now I'm taking them to football practice. They like, hey, whoa. Now they sitting quiet. Now everything quiet.

[Memphis Bleek]

You just listen. Nah, not me, man. I had to. Nah, I ain't do none of that with my kids. Cause I'm like, I ain't grow up like that. My kids. My kids gonna know real shit. Get the ball.

[Michael Lewis]

Hold on.

[J. Mills]

Fuck.

[Memphis Bleek]

Not gonna be like, yo, get the rock.

[J. Mills]

You say you didn't grow up like what? Like you didn't grow up with that paw shit.

[Memphis Bleek]

Cause no pause ain't coming to roc a fella.

[J. Mills]

Pause.

[Memphis Bleek]

Pause. Didn't start to roc a fella. Dame Dash, Jeff. Pause.

[J. Mills]

But you grew up in Rockefeller.

[Memphis Bleek]

I was already 16 when Rockefeller got off the ground.

[J. Mills]

But you, you still grew up in rock. So you did you a part of the. Part the revolution of how that came into the.

[Memphis Bleek]

What I'm trying to say is. My moms didn't tell me, get the rock. I didn't say it. This is what I'm saying, my G. When I was a kid growing up, tired of tying my finger, going to school, my moms didn't say, yo, pause. Get the peanut butter.

[J. Mills]

None of my uncles, none of my uncles said nothing like that.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's what I'm saying. And maybe because I'm growing up with them with paws.

[J. Mills]

Maybe because I'm from Harlem. Cause Dame, I'm 42nd. Yes.

[Memphis Bleek]

Hey, yo, everything, everything was ayo.

[J. Mills]

Everything.

[Memphis Bleek]

It became too much in Rockefeller, where certain niggas used to be dead ass serious. Don't play with me. You say, hey, I'm you up. Like it became that serious in the crew. Like, I don't play pause no more. It was wild. Nah, it got outrageous. So now to see the youth gravitate to it. It's like.

[J. Mills]

It's like that done pop back up.

[Memphis Bleek]

Okay.

[J. Mills]

Let a young see you eating a hot dog at a cookout.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yo, chill.

[J. Mills]

Oh, viral.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yo, chill. I don't know. Yo, they up the slang on a lot of these young violated a dog is you done a dub was $20 to me.

[J. Mills]

Nah, they change every. But y' all changed everything, too.

[Memphis Bleek]

No, what we changed it from y' all changed what we changed. Everything stayed the same. We just elevated it.

[J. Mills]

Roc a fella changed a Lot of slang, yo.

[Memphis Bleek]

From what to what? Unless we took some Philly shit is drawn, yo, everything is the jaw.

[J. Mills]

Nah, but it was a lot of. It was a lot of shit that niggas used to say. Like, even in y' all romp holla niggas wasn't Brooklyn.

[Memphis Bleek]

That was BK shit.

[J. Mills]

But Rockefeller, too.

[Memphis Bleek]

Just like they. They. They could. Yo, they put y' all shit on us. They be like, yo, you New York year, B. Like, wait, that's Harlem. We don't say B in Brooklyn. Everything is sun in Brooklyn.

[J. Mills]

And we don't say son in Harlem. No, just like thun. Thun.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's Queens.

[J. Mills]

My cousin.

[Memphis Bleek]

And that might be just Queens.

[J. Mills]

My cousin from out in. No, my cousin from out in Ravens. What? He's still with say done the dun language when you get hit. Done what time?

[Memphis Bleek]

Rest in peace. Prodigy used to be mad. Spoke the done language. We rapped about it. Don't talk the dud language, but.

[J. Mills]

Nah. Back to the ghost writing thing, right? Ghost writing thing, yeah. How I feel about the ghost writing thing is I done wrote shit for people before.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah. But I was about to say this, right? You probably worded it wrong with the producer, because beat makers. I say this all the time. Beat makers will just send you a beat.

[J. Mills]

A producer gonna give you a sense.

[Memphis Bleek]

He'S gonna produce that record, he's gonna give you the idea, and that's the ones you want. So if you come with the hook, the idea, the direction, I should go, you can't consider that as writing for somebody that's producing the record. You're a producer. You don't want nobody to fuck.

[J. Mills]

Your record probably was worded wrong, but niggas knew what I was saying.

[Memphis Bleek]

Saying, yeah.

[J. Mills]

Knew what I was saying and still hungry.

[Memphis Bleek]

It depends on what platform you set it on, too. Like, you know.

[J. Mills]

Yeah, yeah.

[Memphis Bleek]

Like, remember, it could be the platform.

[J. Mills]

And that's when I learned. And you know what's crazy? After that, I was in Miami. I was in Miami. We was out there for vato birthday.

[Memphis Bleek]

And who tried to act funny, man. No, no, no. It was. It was like me.

[J. Mills]

It was vato.

[Memphis Bleek]

Ain't no friends in this.

[J. Mills]

Man was out there. My lady was out there. We was all out there. We was chilling. And Nori was having, like. Nori, we always have real convo.

[Memphis Bleek]

I'm a Virgo Nori. Like the big homie Virgo Nori. Nori joke a lot, but he a fucking joke.

[J. Mills]

I wait for gym on you if you get a chance to get cool enough with Nori, where he hit you. Or you could hit him and y' all could go chill. Where ain't no cameras. And you could just vibe with him. Nori was one of the first people to hit me when I left Young Money. And he told me, yo, you stayed too long. So you should have been left. Not like you should have stopped fucking with Wayne, but you dried up a little bit out there. Cause you should have been. But you gotta remember, that was the. I had never been a part of anything that big before. You know what I'm saying?

[Memphis Bleek]

Pause a.

[J. Mills]

See, yo.

[Memphis Bleek]

See.

[J. Mills]

Father forgive me. Father forgive me. That was disgusting. Oh, man.

[Memphis Bleek]

Chill, yo. Chill. See, this is why I stopped playing.

[J. Mills]

That was the end of the game. You know how like in a. In a n playing street ball and they can do a crazy move and hit the jump shot and everybody.

[Memphis Bleek]

Everybody run on the court.

[J. Mills]

Everybody run on the court. It's over. It's over. Oh, man, that was crazy.

[Memphis Bleek]

But I believe what my problem was. I was. I was. I was with the son was the sun.

[J. Mills]

Yeah.

[Memphis Bleek]

I was just a fucking candle just trying to get lit. You was with two, three. Yes, bro. That shit don't happen, B.

[J. Mills]

And I tell people that don't happen. I tell people all the time, like, you gotta be happy and grateful that you was a part of. You was able to be a part of that when you were a part of it.

[Memphis Bleek]

You know what I'm saying?

[J. Mills]

History right there for sure. Everybody's not gonna be Drake. Everybody not gonna be Nikki. Everybody not gonna. Not gonna be Tiger. Everybody not gonna be Wayne.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's right.

[J. Mills]

But everybody couldn't be Hov. Everybody couldn't be Kanye.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's right. Everybody can't be cold.

[J. Mills]

But you had to have.

[Memphis Bleek]

You can't be Rihanna.

[J. Mills]

You had to have a bleak. You had to have a beanie. You had to have a beanie.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's right.

[J. Mills]

You know what I'm saying? You had to have a Chris and Nef.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's a fact.

[J. Mills]

Have some young.

[Memphis Bleek]

You know, you had to have a pd.

[J. Mills]

You had to have a Freeway with just so unorth. You can't name another with a flow like. Like Freeway. That's right. You have to have that. That's right. You know what I'm saying?

[Eva Longoria]

The.

[Memphis Bleek]

You lost, all of y' all played a major part to. Why we made what we do is wrong. Yeah.

[J. Mills]

You lost to the bat. The Cassidy battle.

[Memphis Bleek]

You made what we do. That's right. You know what I'm saying? That record gonna go forever, bro.

[J. Mills]

That never gonna But Freeway ain't Yay. No, Freeway ain't whole, but free is free. You know what I'm saying? So I had to be comfortable with my chapter at Young Money is J. Mills. That's what it was.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's right.

[J. Mills]

You know what I'm saying? You got chapters in your book, but that's what it was. And be grateful for that shit.

[Memphis Bleek]

You done did the Battle League. How you felt about that, man?

[J. Mills]

Oh, man, you gonna get me barred from the battle. All right, look, let me talk about battle rap, right? Talk about the battle rap. Battle rap, man, Battle rap is great. And I love battle rap. Cause before I was with Young Money or before I did no, no, no, and with the Chilean, before, I had rap deals with battle rappers. That's how New York started doing all that, right? So there wasn't no leagues yet. There wasn't no URL, you know what I'm saying? Shout out to Smack, shout out to ARP and everybody else that created Leagues along the line that paid us and put money in our pocket. Cause at some point when I came back to Battle Rap, after I left Young Money, Money, I'm. I'm making good money in battle rap, but it's the tail end of it. It was a time when was making even more money than this. I see. But hell yeah, I think now it done got too far into, like, when book me for a battle. Sometimes, depending on who I'm battling, I ain't gonna say no names or whatever, but depending on who you battling, they'll be like, yo, you got to create some traction. You got to call them out on Twitter. You call them out on the gram or call. Oh, and I'll be like, why? When we do the Face Off, I'm gonna. It's gonna be smoke clown ass, bum ass nigga. You was never me. Yeah, and I'mma wash you.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's right.

[J. Mills]

I'm gonna talk so crazy to him when we do the Face Off. Why do I gotta keep posting things every other day? Cause at some point, all I'm gonna do is go back and delete it.

[Memphis Bleek]

Exactly.

[J. Mills]

I don't give a fuck about all that shit.

[Memphis Bleek]

Like, yeah, that's trash.

[J. Mills]

But they want you to hype it up. It's like wrestling. It's like, why we need a storyline, nigga? Why the storyline can't be. I think I'm better than you. You think you better than me? Let's do it.

[Memphis Bleek]

Because I can see that though, it's promotion, you know, that make people click. You know what I Mean, that's why a lot of these bloggers and podcasts lead on.

[J. Mills]

When you looked at battles on the smack DVDs and all them DVDs, you ain't know who the J. Mills and Sire Castro or Loaded Lux. You ain't know who we were.

[Memphis Bleek]

No. Yes, you did.

[J. Mills]

You just wanted to see.

[Memphis Bleek]

You knew after y' all spit.

[J. Mills]

But when you first saw me on a. On a DVD battle, and if you ain't really know me, you just gave me a shot. And then after that, you build with it. I didn't have to call or eating that's out and say, philly, I ain't.

[Memphis Bleek]

Have to do all of that. But I. I didn't say you have to. But I can see why they would say that, because that's the. That get people to click, you know, on the Internet. That's. That's the clickbait.

[J. Mills]

So if we gonna play that game. This is the other part I don't like. This is why, in a way, I fell back a little bit off battle rap. I still do it, but I'm more selective with who I'm gonna battle, Right. I'll go in there and. And I'll say some shit about, I'm just braggadocious. You know what I'm saying? That's just my style. I'm just a braggadocious battle rapper. So I might go in there and I might say some shit about the sides of my house and say, this person got a small house. I'm just gonna. I'm gonna say it.

[Memphis Bleek]

You ain't fucking with me. I'm living better than you.

[J. Mills]

Your crib, 800 square feet. You bum ass nigga. I got three floors, my shit, 4,000 square feet. I'm just saying some shit now in my mind. I'm shitting on you. That's what we up here to do. I'm shitting on you. And I feel like my shit is hitting even harder because I know for a fact my house is really this big now. Even if Your house ain't 900 square feet, I know it ain't mine. That's right. So I feel so much better when I'm up here, barring you down with you, when I'm talking about different type of places I've been in my life, and I'm on my third passport. I know you ain't never been this many places in your life because you post everything on social media.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's right.

[J. Mills]

So I know how you living. So I wrote like that. But when we get on stage, that's not appealing to the crowd because you always talking about, you made it N. Yeah, all right, we get it. You got a big house, nigga. We get it. Like, it becomes that. And it's like, well, damn, my nigga, I thought you was just coming here as a fan. Nah, they not fans no more. Now, when I tell you, nigga, your career probably 650 school, you probably one argument away from being homeless. Argue with your girl one more time, my nigga, you gonna be calling a nigga come pick you up. That's not funny.

[Memphis Bleek]

No.

[J. Mills]

No more. Because a lot of them in the crowd probably is in that situation.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah.

[J. Mills]

With their girl from having a call. A lot of them in the crowd probably live in a 600 square foot apartment. But they talking to you crazy. You're Memphis bleak and gonna get on the stage and try to talk some fly to you.

[Memphis Bleek]

But if you talk it back, and.

[J. Mills]

Then if you talk it back, it's like you. You talking down on it. Yeah, yeah. I'm not talking down on it. Y', all. Y'.

[Memphis Bleek]

All, I'm just.

[J. Mills]

I'm battling him now. It's like. Like, nah, you. You think you better than everybody. Yeah, n. I think I'm better than the. I'm battling right now. Like, damn.

[Memphis Bleek]

Now the crowd on you.

[J. Mills]

Not the crowd, the Internet. Now the comment section. Oh, he always. He think he better than everybody. He been. He been sounding like that for years. And it just turned into some. It turned into narratives, like. And are joining in. And now they on Clubhouse and this Twitter spot. I don't do all that. I'm not. I just want to rap. You know what I'm saying? So I fuck with the whole battle rap community, but I feel like the way that the business done turned, it's like rap. It's like rap music. I'm gonna give you an analogy right now. I'm glad I'm gonna say this on this platform, too. Yo, you from a total different era than a lot of these artists is from. I'm from a total different era than a lot of these artists is from. My nigga. You can't tell me that if I go to the free throw line and I make a free throw, I don't get one point. You're not going to tell me if I go to the free throw line and I make a free throw, I get 0.006% of a point. So I gotta hit. You know how many free throws I gotta hit?

[Memphis Bleek]

1500 to get a point. Yeah, 1500.

[J. Mills]

You know how many 0.0006%. We gotta get to get a $$.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah, 1500.

[J. Mills]

That's why I say I'm very glad that you're doing it because everything changed. I feel like everything I learned changed the battle rap world. I learned it changed the industry. Everything changed. When I got around my song toning, them was going to get reels.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah.

[J. Mills]

You ain't had that many times to do no.

[Memphis Bleek]

Hell no.

[J. Mills]

Switches on the SSL board were getting used.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's a fact.

[J. Mills]

Them shits were getting sticker writing money.

[Memphis Bleek]

To cut that tape and rewind at.

[J. Mills]

The end of the night before we would leave Electric lady or something like that. That the TDK that costs a dollar on the corner might spend 250 for that. When you write down everything, some of.

[Memphis Bleek]

These studios is charging you five dollars for that dollar tape.

[J. Mills]

You understand what I'm saying?

[Memphis Bleek]

Straight up.

[J. Mills]

You think about that. We went through all that era before it was Spotify and Apple Music. It was Beats Music.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's right.

[J. Mills]

It wasn't. No. Then it was the blog era.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah.

[J. Mills]

Then it was niggas was buying albums from Target and Best Buy at one time, bro.

[Memphis Bleek]

Hell yeah. Supermarket shit.

[J. Mills]

We don't buy albums everywhere.

[Memphis Bleek]

No. I think people would if the physical copies was out, but. Cause we don't even come with CD players anymore.

[J. Mills]

Anymore. It's just the way it is. I think the direct to consumer shit is gonna be the way that it's gonna go in a minute. It's gonna be the way you gotta go. You not gonna get as many big sales, but you could get bread from it. But I feel like the whole industry done changed, my nigga, because yeah, it did. With the way streaming is, it's not really set up for n to really make. I don't know how the labels make bread.

[Memphis Bleek]

No, they do, because that's why they.

[J. Mills]

You know, ships and. You know, that's what I was just about to say. That's why it's called 360.

[Memphis Bleek]

They don't care about the stream.

[J. Mills]

I ain't never been in one.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah, they don't care about streaming. They care about everything.

[J. Mills]

Your merchandise going to merch. And I'm selling my touring, doing tours, so why would I give you that?

[Memphis Bleek]

That's the money.

[J. Mills]

That's tough.

[Memphis Bleek]

So all this other stuff is just the advertising to send you on the road to sell merch and tickets. And then that's where we get paid from. And any sponsors come in. We want our cut because we built you. Yeah, man, that's what the game is turned to.

[J. Mills]

You see that? You see they got AI artists now.

[Memphis Bleek]

Oh, yeah, man. It's about to be. Yo, people trying to marry AI.

[J. Mills]

I can't compete with a computer. A singer that you done put together from the best singers in the world, and you. You done basically made a created player.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. On a hundred too attributes.

[J. Mills]

Everything 99. Like, nah, come on, man. Y' all bugging.

[Memphis Bleek]

Y' all bugging, man. Y' all bugging. Yo, but I've been hearing you throughout the US Talking. You've been like my fiance a few times. How long you been with your fiance?

[J. Mills]

I've been with Dana since, like, end of 2011, beginning of 2012. But I knew her since I knew her probably since, like, 06 07. I met Dana in New York on a Wednesday night going to Club Miss. I could tell you everything she had.

[Memphis Bleek]

On Chill when the wedding, man.

[J. Mills]

Yo, I'm playing with you. I'm playing with you. I wanted to do it this year. She wanted to do something like. She wanted to do it on New Year's Eve.

[Memphis Bleek]

Oh, shit.

[J. Mills]

Cause she said she wanted. Well, don't get mad at me. He asked me, yeah, when I get home, don't be like, why you telling everybody?

[Memphis Bleek]

Keep it all the way real with you guys.

[J. Mills]

She was like, she want every year when the new year come in for us to celebrate another year of being together. You know what I'm saying?

[Memphis Bleek]

That's gonna happen on any day every year.

[J. Mills]

My thing is, I ain't gonna lie with my lady. I had to realize, like. And I tell everybody this. This when I realized, like, yo, I know I'm gonna be with her forever.

[Memphis Bleek]

Mm.

[J. Mills]

You gonna argue with everybody?

[Memphis Bleek]

Hell, yeah.

[J. Mills]

You know what I'm saying? You gonna go through it with everybody. But it been things that you go. It's things that you go through in your life. And when people go through it with you and you see how they. You see how they come go through it with you, and y' all come out on the other side, you can evaluate them and everybody else a little bit different. So if I gotta evaluate this woman with all the other women I know in my life, I wouldn't mind if I spent the rest of my life with her. I ain't tripping. I always tell her, like, babe, there's no one that got away way. You know, like, sometime be like, damn, that's the one that got. I don't have a one that got away. That's how I know I'm where I'm at. I'm good, it's going. And I say, long as the good outwear the bad. Yo, my lady's a Gemini. We argue like crazy.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah, that's a fact.

[J. Mills]

We talk.

[Memphis Bleek]

I'm.

[J. Mills]

I'm a battle rapper. She's we. I'm. We talk crazy to each other, you know what I'm saying? But never nothing crazy where you can't come back from it. You know what I'm saying? I know what not to say. I know what line not to cross. I know when it's like, man, you bugging. Grab some sneakers, roll a blunt or.

[Memphis Bleek]

Two, jump in the wheel, walk around.

[J. Mills]

The estates, and even when you finish, come back, roll another one in the.

[Memphis Bleek]

Garage.

[J. Mills]

Go up to the guest room, sleep in there, get up, go back to the garage, smoke another one.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yo, chill. He got the three blood process.

[J. Mills]

No, no, no. I got. We might have to stretch this out over two, three days. Oh, but you ain't never seen me on the story with it.

[Memphis Bleek]

No, you can't go to social.

[J. Mills]

You ain't never seen me on the social media. Trouble in paradise over there with Mills? Nah, that's what, weed and walks for.

[Memphis Bleek]

One of my dogs, man. One of my dogs. My man Debo, man. True, brother. He told me something when I was getting married, man. Like, one of the illest shits, man. Me and my lady had an argument one time, and he was like, yo, bleak. Like, every woman you gonna remember, you argue with. You and your moms disagree. You and your sister disagree. Every woman you meet, you gonna argue with. It's the one that you can tolerate. What's the argument that you can feel like? It's not really an argument. I'm just debating with my partner. That's the one when you know it's real. And then you said something earlier about your car getting towed. I remember when I first met my wife, man. Word. I invited her to New York. She from Philly. I met her at the casino, man. You know what I'm saying? Had her come to New York and shit. Like, yeah, we gonna go to dinner. Ah, ah, ah. She hit me. Yo, I'm here. I'm like, all right, cool. I'm coming downstairs. I was in the lower east side at this time, too. I was at one of the homies crib. I come downstairs, and I'm outside like, dude, where's my car?

[J. Mills]

Like, gone.

[Memphis Bleek]

They told the motherfucker, gone. Now she looking at me like, is he cap?

[J. Mills]

Yeah, like, what's going on right now?

[Memphis Bleek]

This don't got no Car. Remember, this is no Uber back then. This ain't no. Yo, let me get on the phone. Call on Uber.

[J. Mills]

You gonna pull one of these?

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah. I had to call car service, man, shout out Romero, you know, been. I'd been hov driver forever. He owned the car service out here. Called me one of the black cars, took me to the crib. But I was so embarrassed. Like, God damn.

[J. Mills]

And she was like, we never even.

[Memphis Bleek]

Went on the date.

[J. Mills]

She was like, that shit ain't about nothing.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah, she did. She was like, it's nothing. Word. She was like, I'm with you the next day. Like, come on, let's go get the car.

[J. Mills]

Yeah, word.

[Memphis Bleek]

And she paid to get the car out. Like, shit. I was supposed to take you all day.

[J. Mills]

And it'd be little.

[Memphis Bleek]

It'd be little shit like that that you look at.

[J. Mills]

You be like, little shit like that. And a lot of times, women, I don't wanna. I don't wanna a lot of times when I wanna get in trouble, but a lot of times I think women, they could be around you for so long and still not understand. Like, I used to tell my girl all the time, like, babe, listen, I've seen them. Trust me. I've been on the road. I've been. You know how we said, I just want to fuck every girl in the world?

[Memphis Bleek]

That's right.

[J. Mills]

I feel like I almost did it. I'm telling you, we put up will numbers.

[Memphis Bleek]

You look.

[J. Mills]

Look better than them when you go to work.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's right.

[J. Mills]

I know what you look like when you get dressed up.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's right.

[J. Mills]

I know what you look like with the lashes and the hair and the bun with the two strands hanging. I know what you said with the two strands hanging. I know what you look like when you do it.

[Memphis Bleek]

I be fucking with my wife when I do it. I know what you look like when you do it. Shit, they be buying the packs of edges. I be telling wifey, I'mma buy you a couple packs. Baby girl, baby girl.

[J. Mills]

Little strands with a little bun.

[Memphis Bleek]

I know what you.

[J. Mills]

I know what you look like when you do it, but I know what they look like when you wake up in the morning with them.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's right.

[J. Mills]

Wake up in the morning with you every day. And I know what you look like when you go there. So you ain't got to be there every day with me. I'm cool with that. Just like, I ain't got to be j. Mills with all the jewels on every day shades on. Like, nah, Some days, let's go catch happy hour at the Mexican spot. All I know is what I've been.

[Memphis Bleek]

Told and that to have truth is a whole lie.

[Maggie Freeling]

For almost a decade, the murder of an 18 year old girl from a small town in Graves County, Kentucky went unsolved until a local homemaker, a journalist and a handful of girls came forward with a story.

[Memphis Bleek]

I'm telling you, we know Quincy killed her.

[Maggie Freeling]

We know a story that law enforcement used to convict six people and that got the citizen investigator on national tv.

[J. Mills]

Through sheer persistence and nerve, this Kentucky housewife helped give justice to Jessica Curran.

[Maggie Freeling]

My name is Maggie Freeling. I'm a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist producer and I wouldn't be here if the truth were that easy to find.

[Memphis Bleek]

I did not know her and I.

[J. Mills]

Did not kill her or rape or burn or any of that other stuff that y' all said.

[Memphis Bleek]

They literally made me say that I took a match and struck and threw it on her. They made me say that I poured gas on her.

[Maggie Freeling]

From Lava for Good. This is Graves County, a show about just how far our legal system will go in order to find someone to blame.

[J. Mills]

America, y' all better wake the hell up. Bad things happens to good people and small towns.

[Maggie Freeling]

Listen to Graves county in the Bone Valley feed on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts and to binge the entire season ad free. Subscribe to Lava for Good plus on Apple Podcast.

[Dr. Elizabeth Poynter]

Welcome to Decoding Women's Health. I'm Dr. Elizabeth Poynter, chair of Women's Health and Gynecology at the Atria Health Institute in New York City. On this show I'll be talking to top researchers and top clinicians, asking them your burning questions and bringing that information about women's health and midlife directly to you.

[Eva Longoria]

100% of women go through menopause. It can be such a struggle for our quality of life. But even if it's natural, why should.

[J. Mills]

We suffer through it? The types of symptoms that people talk.

[Maggie Freeling]

About is forgetting everything. I never used to forget things. They're concerned that one, they have dementia and the other one is do I have adhd?

[Dr. Elizabeth Poynter]

There is unprecedented promise with regard to cannabis and cannabinoids to sleep better, to have less pain, to have better mood and also to have better, better day to day life. Listen to Decoding Women's Health with Dr. Elizabeth Poynter on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you're listening now.

[Michael Lewis]

Michael Lewis here. My book the Big Short tells the story of the buildup and burst of the US housing market back in 2008. It follows a few unlikely but lucky people who saw the real estate market for the black hole it would become and eventually, eventually made billions of dollars from that perception. It was like feeding the monster, said Eisman. We fed the monster until it blew up. The monster was exploding. Yet on the streets of Manhattan, there was no sign anything important had just happened. Now, 15 years after the Big Short's original release, and a decade after it became an Academy Award winning movie, I've recorded an audiobook book edition for the very first time. The Big Short story, what it means when people start betting against the market and who really pays for an unchecked financial system is as relevant today as it's ever been, offering invaluable insight into the current economy and also today's politics. Get the Big Short now at Pushkin FM Audiobooks or wherever audiobooks are sold.

[Eva Longoria]

I'm Eva Longoria.

[Maite Gomez Rejuan]

And I'm Maite Gomez Rejun.

[Eva Longoria]

And on our podcast Hungry for History, we mix two of our favorite things, food and history.

[Maite Gomez Rejuan]

Ancient Athenians used to scratch names onto oyster shells and they called these ostracon to vote politicians into exile. So our word ostracize is related to the word oyster.

[Memphis Bleek]

No way.

[Maite Gomez Rejuan]

Bring back the ostracon.

[Eva Longoria]

And because we've got a very mi casa es su casa kind of vibe on our show, friends always stop by.

[J. Mills]

Pretty much every entry into this side of the planet was through the El golfo de Mexico. No, the America.

[Memphis Bleek]

No, the America.

[J. Mills]

El golfo de Mexico continuado a si forever and ever.

[Eva Longoria]

It blows me away how progressive Mexico was in this moment. They had land reform, they had labor rights, they had education. Education rights.

[Maite Gomez Rejuan]

Mustard seeds were so valuable to the ancient Egyptians that they used to place them in their tombs for the afterlife.

[Eva Longoria]

Listen to Hungry for History as part of the My Cultura podcast network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

I'm Jonathan Goldstein, and on the new season of Heavyweight, I help a centenarian mend a broken heart.

[J. Mills]

How can 101-year-old woman fall in love again?

[Jonathan Goldstein]

And I help a man atone for an armed robbery he committed at 14 years old. And so I pointed the gun at.

[J. Mills]

Him and said, this isn't a joke.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

And he got down.

[J. Mills]

And I remember feeling kind of a surge of like, okay, this is power.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Plus, my old friend Gregor and his brother tried to solve my problems through hypnotism.

[J. Mills]

We could give you a whole brand new thing where you're like super charming all the time. Being more able to look people in the eye, not always hide behind a mouth microphone.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Listen to heavyweight on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Memphis Bleek]

No, that's every day. Girls want. They want Mexican every day.

[J. Mills]

Now, my lady grew up in. She. All right, now listen. You say your girl from. From Philly.

[Memphis Bleek]

My girl from Cali, she definitely want Mexican.

[J. Mills]

Grew up in the jungle when the Rodney King rides was going on. I like getting. I could get them stories from my lady. That's another thing I learned when I moved.

[Memphis Bleek]

She started fires back then. Cause it was mad fires.

[J. Mills]

She got up out of there.

[Memphis Bleek]

Oh, they got up out of there.

[J. Mills]

We got up out of there. We going to Jersey. But my lady is like, I've been living in Cali for 10 years.

[Memphis Bleek]

You a good nigga.

[J. Mills]

Everybody always be like, you told me that was yo.

[Memphis Bleek]

When you told me that, I was like, you a good nigga.

[J. Mills]

Listen, Dr. Dre, ice cube, Ice T. I took a page out of they book.

[Memphis Bleek]

What's the page?

[J. Mills]

All black.

[Memphis Bleek]

All black? What?

[J. Mills]

Everything.

[Memphis Bleek]

So what that mean?

[J. Mills]

Black hat, LA don't wear the blue Dodgers wear the black Dodgers.

[Memphis Bleek]

Black shirt.

[J. Mills]

See this shirt?

[Memphis Bleek]

This is what I mean.

[J. Mills]

Black jeans. You can throw some white ears on or something like that. Be respectful.

[Memphis Bleek]

Chill, chill. Stop. I hear you, I hear you, I hear you, I hear you. I'm not even gonna let you finish. Because what they call that over there is you following the politics.

[J. Mills]

You could call it what you want.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's what they call it.

[J. Mills]

I know when I get home and my daughter be watching hey Jesse and all that on the Disney plus, she be like, daddy, come on.

[Memphis Bleek]

That shit play in New York too. You know that, right?

[J. Mills]

No, but I mean, like, I make it home.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah. I'm just saying. But do you follow real politics like that?

[J. Mills]

I follow whatever guidelines is gonna get me home that day.

[Memphis Bleek]

But that's what I mean. Do you follow those guidelines? The American way, though. You gonna do it to live in la, but you.

[J. Mills]

No, I do it here too.

[Memphis Bleek]

What guidelines you following here?

[J. Mills]

There was a time where if you getting on the train and you don't know what that red be like, your Yankee fitted shouldn't be red. There was a time.

[Memphis Bleek]

There was a time when you go, I can't relate. I haven't been on the train since 1997.

[J. Mills]

I was in high school in 1997.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah. Last time I was on the train was token.

[J. Mills]

That's what I be saying. I was probably Listening to you when I was going to school, making sure my Yankee fitted wasn't red so a N wouldn't ask me what that red light.

[Memphis Bleek]

Seen it that serious?

[J. Mills]

Listen, you were with Hov. I was on the 3 train.

[Memphis Bleek]

You know this. I was in Marcy too. I was in Brooklyn, moving around. We was outside basketball games, but it was no we. I just. We guess we had too many guns around us.

[J. Mills]

Yes, I was on the train. I was on the train with Go.

[Memphis Bleek]

One of my still ride the train to this day. And here real something red, blue, pink and gray all at the same time.

[J. Mills]

Yeah, but that's not me. I'm trying to explain this in the. I'm trying to understand it because hell, no. Look.

[Memphis Bleek]

No why I'm saying that to you because when I went, see, they killed.

[J. Mills]

Nipsey in front of his store. On the Lord's day, my bro. If you're asking me if I follow.

[Memphis Bleek]

Politics, Nip, that was my bro. They're killed, yo. Listen, a lot of us, they'll do.

[J. Mills]

It to their own. So don't think they won't do it to you just because you jam.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's what they say.

[J. Mills]

Doing some cool shit.

[Memphis Bleek]

But what they say, the fastest way it happens to you is when you from. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

[J. Mills]

They'll do it to you.

[Memphis Bleek]

My thing is, they'll do it to you. La. I remember when I. I be in LA a lot, you know, I got a lot of homies in la. We move around LA and be like, yo, you gotta follow the politics. It's politics out here. Bleak. And it's like, you can't do this, do that. And it's like, yeah, politics everywhere, though.

[J. Mills]

Like, you know, man, y' all bugging.

[Memphis Bleek]

Take me to Vegas, man. What are you talking about? I don't even follow America's politics. I'm gonna follow the street. My politics, sometimes. No, no, no, no.

[J. Mills]

Yo N tried to rob me at Drake video shoot for best I ever had in Brooklyn on Sunday at a church.

[Memphis Bleek]

In Brooklyn, they gonna rob you every day. It don't matter where they're robbed.

[J. Mills]

Listen, yo, bro, I wasn't following politics.

[Memphis Bleek]

You talk about rob you on Brooklyn on a Sunday on church. It's a video where they ro.

[J. Mills]

Out there with two rings, the watch and two chains on smoking a blunt out.

[Memphis Bleek]

Where you was at in Brooklyn. What part of Brooklyn? I'm gonna tell you right now, because you know how, like, yo, you should have called me. Not in Brooklyn. Gonna kill your big homie, too. They don't care.

[J. Mills]

It was. Brooklyn is not that place. I don't know exactly where we was.

[Memphis Bleek]

You better have a few around with those things.

[J. Mills]

Mayo sent a few over there for me. I remember that day.

[Memphis Bleek]

You see it. A few niggas. You see, what you said made no sense.

[J. Mills]

And I had. I had two niggas with me. And of course, you're not thinking, I'm going to Drake video shoot. I'm not thinking nothing like that. But once again, you're not following protocol. You're not following politics.

[Memphis Bleek]

What's the politics? You in.

[J. Mills]

You a Harlem nigga in Brooklyn with all this jewelry on, and you outside the video. The video is being shot in there. You outside, where niggas could just walk up on you and be like, yo, nigga walked up on me, said, yo, you that rap rapper kid, right?

[Memphis Bleek]

But that's not because you ain't following politics. That's because you ain't get your All Access passed.

[J. Mills]

Nah, you should have kept your ass in there at that where they shooting the video at. You keep your Harlem ass in there with Canadian.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's what you.

[J. Mills]

All the other people where Kanye is directing the video at. Listen, you stay your Harlem ass.

[Memphis Bleek]

This is what I try to tell people. Life outside the velvet rope is only for a select few, bro. Me, I never. I never enjoyed life behind the velvet rope. I used to feel like.

[J. Mills]

I just enjoy.

[Memphis Bleek]

Like, I used to feel like we was too fancy. Shit, too, like, remember, I hung with.

[J. Mills]

That's what I'm saying.

[Memphis Bleek]

It was a time when holding them. We did Justin's. We did the. Remember, everything was the elevation with hoving them. We went from Justin's. I remember when Cheesecake Factory first came out, we used to shut Cheesecake Factory down, go in there and spend 10,000 like cheesecake. Like, ew.

[J. Mills]

Like, your timeline was different, but this.

[Memphis Bleek]

Is what I'm saying. But then it got a time when Jay and them became vegetarians, when they was just the fish committee. And it was like, I'm not hanging with them. I don't eat fish. I still want a burger. And then when I got on fish life, it was like, okay, I could fuck with y' all niggas again. But then now they eat plants, flowers.

[J. Mills]

You ain't with the. You ain't with the.

[Memphis Bleek]

I ain't flowers. My. I ain't real food. These niggas is different.

[J. Mills]

But just like you went from the burger to the vegetarian at some point.

[Memphis Bleek]

You know, I'm not vegetarian, but I eat fish. I still need that burger. Dog and that real cheese. I'm not getting no fish. You think I'm gonna go over here and get a green bean burger? I'm gonna get a real burger, man.

[J. Mills]

Yeah, I need a burger.

[Eva Longoria]

I need a real burger burger.

[Dr. Elizabeth Poynter]

Yeah.

[Memphis Bleek]

I need a black bean burger.

[J. Mills]

Yo, look, shout out to Kevin Hart, right? Me and my lady, we was in Cali one day, so we saw Kevin Hart joint the. So I'm like, oh, let's go support. Let's go pull in the Kevin Hart joints. I pull into the lady. So I'm looking at the men, I'm like. I'm like, miss, are these. Is this, like, real?

[Memphis Bleek]

No. You want cauliflower chicken?

[J. Mills]

She said, no, this is all this. I said, oh, okay. Thank you. You have a good day. I put that bitch in drive and pull right up out that driveway real quick.

[Memphis Bleek]

Like, I know not to the vegans.

[J. Mills]

But what the fuck is going on? I don't.

[Memphis Bleek]

I need the real thing, man. We not here for long. I'm going, joy. Man, fuck that. We not here for long, baby.

[J. Mills]

But nah, if. But back to what we were saying. Yes, I do make sure I respect where I'm at, because this is one thing I always say, all you had.

[Memphis Bleek]

To do was have one Brooklyn with you. He told you.

[J. Mills]

He's still talking about.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yo, son, you bugging. What you. Yo, you want to be outside, niggas gonna hit you in the head.

[J. Mills]

But listen, I'm not following. I'm too comfortable. I'm young.

[Memphis Bleek]

No politics in Brooklyn. It's just know where you at and know who you with. That is true.

[J. Mills]

But when you ain't, you a nigga from Harlem, you got two strikes already.

[Memphis Bleek]

Nah, they don't know where you from.

[J. Mills]

You want to do this right here on this platform?

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah.

[J. Mills]

So you trying to tell me Harlem niggas is we just good in Brooklyn?

[Memphis Bleek]

You should be good anywhere you go in this city.

[J. Mills]

See, you not answering the question. I said, you trying to tell me Harlem n just. We just good in Brooklyn? We just good? Or we got a man make a.

[Memphis Bleek]

Call and just make sure we hear first. Let me. All right. You want me to be truthful and honest with you?

[J. Mills]

Yes or no?

[Memphis Bleek]

Then I just say, life outside the velvet rope is for a select few, right? Didn't I just say that? Right?

[J. Mills]

Harlem niggas, everybody.

[Memphis Bleek]

You know what? Harlem nigga is part of that select few who good in Brooklyn.

[J. Mills]

Not a lot of us.

[Memphis Bleek]

Jim Jones. Jim Jones sleeping in the Bentley.

[J. Mills]

But not everybody.

[Memphis Bleek]

It's not for everybody. The streets is this is what I be trying to explain to people.

[J. Mills]

That's why you gotta.

[Memphis Bleek]

Not for everybody.

[J. Mills]

That's why you gotta follow protocol.

[Memphis Bleek]

No, no. You just don't live there then, man. Like, I'm not moving somewhere if they tell me right now, yo, Bleak, you want to move to Kentucky, you gotta shovel.

[J. Mills]

Hey.

[Memphis Bleek]

Or you gotta wrap some of this hay up or they gonna ride on you, man. They gonna have to ride. Not tying no hay up, nothing. So you're gonna be out there rapping the hay up. I'm like it. My horses gotta eat.

[J. Mills]

It depends.

[Michael Lewis]

It depends.

[J. Mills]

Now, look, my daughter. My daughter was born. I told you. My lady from Cali. My daughter was born in Cali, right? So I wanted to make sure she ain't got no brothers.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's. That's no.

[J. Mills]

She got. She got an older brother. My lady got a kid from another relationship to make sure you good. Who her brothers?

[Memphis Bleek]

They ain't. They ain't tied in. No.

[J. Mills]

She. She Muslim. Her family is. They.

[Memphis Bleek]

They really tapped in.

[J. Mills]

They tapped in.

[Memphis Bleek]

They tapped in. They tapped in on the Muslim shout.

[J. Mills]

Out to my man, brother Eric. They fois.

[Memphis Bleek]

Oh. Oh.

[J. Mills]

So this is why I'm telling you they tapped in.

[Memphis Bleek]

You definitely don't need to follow protocol.

[J. Mills]

I don't play. Because if it goes left, it's going to go bad.

[Memphis Bleek]

And you supposed to let it go all the way left.

[J. Mills]

No, I just want to take my.

[Memphis Bleek]

Daughter to yogurt land.

[J. Mills]

I just want to take my daughter to yogurt land and bring my. Go to dispensaries and bring my ass home.

[Memphis Bleek]

Come on down to Florida with me, man.

[J. Mills]

Oh, I was in.

[Memphis Bleek]

I was in Florida. Come on down.

[J. Mills]

I was in Florida. You know where I left left. You know why I left?

[Memphis Bleek]

Why?

[J. Mills]

Because my daughter was born in Cali and I had a balcony on the 48th floor and I was wilding. The balcony went from the bedroom to the living room. I was wilding. They shoot wild porn in Miami.

[Memphis Bleek]

Oh, my God.

[J. Mills]

I was wild. I was wilding. I had to get out of there. So when I got to Cali and I tried to come back, but there's no protocol in Florida.

[Memphis Bleek]

I came only in Jacksonville. In Jacksonville, you better watch your ass.

[J. Mills]

Jacksonville, Jacksonville, Memphis, all that.

[Memphis Bleek]

It's weird, but it's no protocol, though. It's just called either you involved or you not.

[J. Mills]

You know what I think it is with me? I always move like that.

[Memphis Bleek]

Like LA is different.

[J. Mills]

Even when I lived in Miami, I moved like that, too. Cause it's certain. It's certain. Ways you gotta move in Miami too. It's certain Little. It's certain n who be out there and they'll run down on you like.

[Memphis Bleek]

Like that's every city.

[J. Mills]

That's why I said you got to follow pro.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yo, you know, you could be. Yo, you know, you could be a Malibu and a surfer hit you in the ad, too, if he catch you slipping, right? Like, it's called slipping.

[J. Mills]

Nah.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yes, it is.

[J. Mills]

LA is different.

[Memphis Bleek]

It's called slipping. I don't care where you at. It's you, you, you in the wrong place doing the wrong thing, and the right catch you, he going to get you. That's just it, bro.

[J. Mills]

LA is different. I'm telling you.

[Memphis Bleek]

See, you following protocol. So you could tell me. I'm just driving through.

[J. Mills]

I'm gonna tell you.

[Memphis Bleek]

I treat LA how people treat Delaware. What's Delaware known for? You just drive through, right? You spin through.

[Michael Lewis]

You.

[J. Mills]

I don't got off the highway. No, I take all the highways.

[Memphis Bleek]

But did you just. Did you ever get off the highway of Delaware and be like, yo, I'm gonna go to this restaurant over here?

[J. Mills]

Nah, this was. I didn't have no reason to be there.

[Memphis Bleek]

This is what I'm saying. That's how I treat la. I pick up a bag and I'm going to Vegas.

[J. Mills]

Yeah, but your family. Not my family in la.

[Memphis Bleek]

Moved them. No, my family was in Brooklyn. I moved them.

[J. Mills]

No, I tried to come back to the Tri State area. I came back to the Tri State area. No. After living in. After living in. In Florida. And then when my daughter was born, I tried to come. I tried to. I tried to do the, you know, the jersey.

[Memphis Bleek]

I hear you. You keep going back to my daughter, like, yeah, I'm doing this for my daughter. But you made your kids play. Pause. No, they making you follow protocol.

[J. Mills]

Look, look, I'm telling you where I'm at. I'm gonna tell you this.

[Memphis Bleek]

Listen, we gotta get J. Mills. No more protocol for J.

[J. Mills]

He.

[Memphis Bleek]

He don't even know the protocol.

[J. Mills]

I'm gonna tell you some.

[Memphis Bleek]

He just dressing it. But I'm gonna tell you something.

[J. Mills]

I'm gonna tell you, yo, I had on a Yankee. I. I had a Yankee. F. Thought I was rolling 60s.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yes. See, you can't even wear New York Yankees now.

[J. Mills]

Listen to that.

[Memphis Bleek]

Listen to that. You a Mets hat wearer. You never had a Mets hat in your life.

[J. Mills]

You can't wear Mets. I mean, I like orange.

[Memphis Bleek]

And you can't wear Mets.

[J. Mills]

You can't wear no hat with a logo in California, man. That's probably the safest logo that a nigga might be able to wear on his cap when you in California.

[Memphis Bleek]

Right there.

[J. Mills]

That's probably the safest logo. Cause ain't no only niggas who banging that is. Y' all some rich niggas playing gang.

[Memphis Bleek]

We about to start playing gang. Good. They just better put some respect.

[J. Mills]

But all jokes aside, all jokes aside, I know we joking right now, but jokes aside, when my daughter was born and, like, I used to make, I had to make a choice with a lot of. And I always say this. I might have missed out on, like, a lot of, like, All Star weekends or Super Bowls or, you know, you feel like, damn, I supposed to be at the BET Award this weekend, but I'm doing this. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And you look back on it, you like, damn, you ain't missing no recitals. You ain't missing no situations. You ain't missing no. So it's like, yeah, you can have your daughter in Harlem. Yo, that's little Mills. That's a little. You don't want to be in Harlem.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's right.

[J. Mills]

So what you gonna raise your. Just cause you grew up in Harlem, that don't mean your daughter deserved to grow up in Harlem. No, no, I'm not saying you. I'm not saying you. I'm saying, like, this is just my mentality as a Carolina to be out.

[Memphis Bleek]

There shooting up like, the baby.

[J. Mills]

My family. My. My whole family moved.

[Memphis Bleek]

So you get the gun. You ain't got no guns in la.

[J. Mills]

Yeah, but. No, no, no, no. Listen to me. I don't have any guns in California, all right?

[Memphis Bleek]

I'm gonna put some in his house, y'.

[J. Mills]

All.

[Memphis Bleek]

Whoever. He's about to have some.

[J. Mills]

Listen, this is for promotional use only. Whatever he's saying is for promotional use only. Okay? Disclaimer.

[Memphis Bleek]

He about to have two or three guys, know what I'm saying? And then, nah, you know, I gotta introduce you to my cuz out there.

[J. Mills]

You know what's funny, too, bro? You know what's funny, too? I enjoy living in California.

[Memphis Bleek]

No, it's fun as shit. It's nice as shit.

[J. Mills]

Palm it gave me, like, this is the chapter of my life where I'm at. Like, you had the Harlem chapter, the Miami chapter, the Young Money chapter, the chapter where, you know, you going through it, where your child is born and you in the first couple years, and you don't know if your lady gonna make it. You don't know if you gonna make it with her. So you Go through that. You try to live in Miami. You try to do the family. You try to live in Jersey. Cause this is where we from. We both.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yep, yep.

[J. Mills]

Then you be like, you know what?

[Memphis Bleek]

Why we do that? We all go to Jers to go to Connecticut.

[J. Mills]

Because I moved her here from.

[Memphis Bleek]

From.

[J. Mills]

When I moved her here from Cali, I said, you know what? Moved to New York, you know, move to Jersey. We living in Jersey. Just wasn't right. Yeah. And I was watching. You know how you watch your lady and you like, damn, she only. She only going through this shit. Cause I told her to. Yeah, she only going through this shit for me. For me. So I was like, you know what? She tried that shit for me. I make my money on the road anyway, so I could. I could try Cali. You know what I'm saying?

[Memphis Bleek]

That's right.

[J. Mills]

I make. I don't make my money just in one state. Either way, no matter where. I. I gotta get on a flight to go get back.

[Memphis Bleek]

I could go anywhere.

[J. Mills]

So when I went out there, it was like, damn, you kind of away from everything. You get to breathe. You know what I'm saying? It ain't like 18 floor projects. It ain't like everything is close.

[Memphis Bleek]

Everything.

[J. Mills]

You could go to the beach on Christmas if you want, and just think about some shit that was new to me. You know what I'm saying? And to be real with you, when I first moved to Cali in 2015, at that time, weed wasn't legal in New York. So I was like, oh, shit. You could just buy this shit over a counter and walk out and they give you a crib like that. I'm never going back.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah, they bring it to the crib. You heard Biggie, right?

[J. Mills]

It became legal at some point. But when I realized that I can go get weed over a count and I can go smell and like a little museum. I don't have to stuff this in my box of briefs or.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah, Dykeman.

[J. Mills]

And try to put a jar in a sock. You got a jar in your sock. You might as well put the in your pocket when the cops pull you over.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's a fact.

[J. Mills]

I was like, I'm never going back. You know what I'm saying? Then I had my surgery. I was out there.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah, man. You know, I heard about that, man. Talk about that.

[J. Mills]

I had a tumor growing on the top of my vocal cords in, like, 2015. So I had to get a surgery to get that removed, man. I was ready to stop rapping and all that.

[Memphis Bleek]

Wow, man. God bless you back, man. Appreciate it.

[J. Mills]

I got my surgery right there, bro. And I don't know, I think Cali just be like a peace of mind for me. But I make sure I come back here.

[Memphis Bleek]

Don't get it twisted. I love humbling.

[J. Mills]

It's humbling.

[Memphis Bleek]

It's some of the flyest shit you ever gonna see in your life. In California, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Oakland. That's some of the best times of my life. I just think the shift I was there before the East west coast, you know what I mean? I was going to la. When they treated us like when you land in London, like you was a.

[J. Mills]

Fucking alien, like, that was like, man.

[Memphis Bleek]

You know what I'm saying?

[J. Mills]

What was that like? What was that like? Cause I wasn't. I was a kid, man. I was on the block during East Coast, West Coast.

[Memphis Bleek]

I was a kid too, bro.

[J. Mills]

Was you still? Like when, when. When Pac was saying all that Hawaiian sofa feeling, he was like, yeah, we.

[Memphis Bleek]

Was going to la. That's what I'm saying. Before that, we was going to la. But what was it like during that time, bro? It was militant. Like after the biggie with Pac. God bless both of their souls, bro. Def Jam wouldn't even allow us to go to LA without having a security guard posted up with you all day, every day. It was times when I was in la, renting cars, just riding around dolo just like this. Ah, let's go to Waffle. W. Let's go to Roscoe and Chicken over here. Let's go over here, let's go to Watts, let's go to Slauson. Let's go over here. Doing everything, doing everything. And nothing was nothing. And then after that, east west, bro, it was like, now we need security. Now you need to tap in with a local, a gang member. Then you talking to these, this, that. Yo, you gotta meet with the OG.

[J. Mills]

To get the pass over here. I know.

[Memphis Bleek]

And it just became too much. It's like, yo, bro, I'm not doing this in no city. I'm going to. Why am I doing this?

[J. Mills]

And I know for you as a youngin, it felt crazy. Like, it ain't like that when we go here, when we go here, it's love.

[Memphis Bleek]

We gotta. It almost make me feel like, nah, dawg, I'm not nah, nah. I just say, if that's what it is, then fuck it. I just say, go, I'm not doing it. I'm cool, I skip it. But I love la. They got the best weed. You kidding me, man? The best weather, the Beaches is crazy.

[J. Mills]

Yeah, it be little things like that. I'll be like, damn, I could go to the beach on Christmas. I could.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah, shit.

[J. Mills]

And then it's like, well, well. And I know we just joking, talking about all this shit, but it's like when you really think about it, it's like, damn, bro, what you gonna do in New York?

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah, New York. Nah, nah.

[J. Mills]

You got the business, you get your money.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's why I tell people.

[J. Mills]

But it's so much more. It's so much more to the world than. That's what I be trying to sell. My niggas.

[Memphis Bleek]

No, that's a fact. But a lot of our niggas, and you gotta think about this. I'm gonna tell you. It's three sides to New York. And a lot of our niggas only know the one side.

[J. Mills]

So what's the three sides?

[Memphis Bleek]

It's three sides of New York, bro. Up and you from poverty, the projects, you trying to make it. You on the block, hustling. It's that underworld that, you know, the shootouts, the bang outs, the. The. You talking about the razors on the train, doing your thing. Then when you first start getting money, it's the other side. Now you in Dumbo. Now you in. You, you coming downtown. Money, you in the. The pause, pause. The meat packing district. You know what I'm saying? You hanging on that side. But did that, I don't know, they wowed out. Wow. Then from there, right? Then when you first taste, get a taste of money, bro, you realize that the money is separated in the city. Yes, you realize then it's the third level. When you start doing shit. Only on the east side, you realize I'm over the west side. The west side is where the hood.

[J. Mills]

Damn, my nigga, you know, it's crazy that you said this. I was just talking to one of my homies, my man Steve, that I went to high school. I went to high school art and design. Still talk to him every day, right? And I was telling him, I was like, damn, when I come back to New York, it's crazy. We stumbled on this convo, my nigga. But I was like, it's crazy. When I come back to New York now I be feeling like I be bored. Maybe because I've been outside since I was like 15. I met Tony, Nigel, mice and them at 15. I was at what Will Phillies at 15. All the young money shit and all that. So now when I come back to New York, I don't want to go to the hookah Spot. No, I like to smoke weed. I don't want to go to the strip clubs. Cause I grew up with gambling spots.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's right.

[J. Mills]

So I don't know how to throw my money. I know how to get money.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's right.

[J. Mills]

Not to knock it. It's just so different now. And I started thinking. I was like, you know what I think it is? I think I gotta change the people that I'm around.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's a fact.

[J. Mills]

So when you say that third level level, where it's like you go from, it's like, damn, the east side. The. That the reason why you're bored when you come back home sometimes because you're still trying to do that. You might have been doing outgrew already. And you don't. You got survivors remorse. And the way you feel like you.

[Memphis Bleek]

Want to go back and still be regular, you hang with my.

[J. Mills]

It's crazy you said that. It's like, you can, man. Like, I was just feeling like, yo.

[Memphis Bleek]

Bro, it's clubs in the city. Don't even know about underground boot like, my nigga, when I tell you it's another level of this city.

[J. Mills]

Yeah.

[Memphis Bleek]

That you gotta have at this point.

[J. Mills]

At this point. That's where I got it. I got it.

[Memphis Bleek]

Wow.

[J. Mills]

Well, yeah.

[Memphis Bleek]

Like, my. I'm telling you, I'm just getting invited to the door of the door. Like, I knew where it was at. But they used to be like, you ain't welcome here.

[J. Mills]

Yeah.

[Memphis Bleek]

Like, now we could go up to the door. They letting me look and be like, oh, she in there. Oh, my man in there, too. They like, bleep. Few more months, you could be in here, too. It's that level. I'm telling you, bro. I'm telling you.

[J. Mills]

That's why when you said that, I was like, damn. I was just.

[Memphis Bleek]

New York is three sides of New York, man. You could really enjoy it. Especially when I get through the eyes of hov. Think we don't like the traffic. Why we the one behind the wheel? HOV sitting in the back of that Maybach like this.

[J. Mills]

Hey, he ain't even. Yeah, Ankle ain't even. Ankle ain't even doing all that on the break. And the gas ace right here.

[Memphis Bleek]

Whatever. I want to smoke a J Monogram in the air. We good so the traffic don't affect him. Then you pulling up in your building at your own penthouse lit. It's a different vibe when it's time to eat. I'm not going on the west side. On the east side, we going in the penthouse. We Going to Central Park West. It's restaurants in them buildings.

[J. Mills]

You don't even know.

[Memphis Bleek]

You can't even get in. Nah, we don't have to attire.

[J. Mills]

Yeah. And that's why I'm like, damn, there's.

[Memphis Bleek]

Watch clubs in New York City.

[J. Mills]

That's you, you.

[Memphis Bleek]

You can't get in.

[J. Mills]

Yeah, my man Smoke Dizzle had took me to a. A secret like, weed club. Just shout out to my man Dizz.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah, Smoke Dizzy.

[J. Mills]

But yeah, I'm like, oh, this is like, this is some shit that. And I started going. When I come back to the city, just some secret shit. Nobody really know where it's at.

[Memphis Bleek]

I'm telling, yo, bro, this city is a lot going on.

[J. Mills]

You got to adapt. You got to adapt.

[Memphis Bleek]

For me to live in New York City, I need that 50 million Wayne was chasing.

[J. Mills]

That's what I'm saying.

[Memphis Bleek]

They're not gonna live in the third chamber. Yeah. Right now I know how to go there. I can't live there. Yeah, I go visit say what up to a couple homies. Yo, my nigga, yo, probably you're not.

[J. Mills]

Raising your daughter in Marcy right now.

[Memphis Bleek]

Never. Like, not then either. My son either. Even when I was a kid, they couldn't come if they was born when I was the there with them.

[J. Mills]

No. That's how I feel. I feel like when you, you, you supposed to see, show your kids better than what you saw.

[Memphis Bleek]

See. And that's when I look at my son. My son, 22 years old. I raised my son with the mentality and the mindset of I wanted him to be the version of the man that I felt the streets took from me.

[J. Mills]

You never got that. I could.

[Memphis Bleek]

I could have been if I would have stayed on that track. Facts, you know what I mean? So when I look at my son, he's like the alternate universe, you the universe version of me. Like, that would. That's how it have been if I'd have followed all the rules. And. And he's a. He's a great kid. Like, I love it. So when I look at that, it's like, I wouldn't trade that for the world, bro. I love that my son can walk like a normal citizen. Don't have to worry about no probation. You know, I've been to jail. Like, I get phone calls from my son. And his thing is, yo, dad, what train in Germany should I take from Dusseldorf?

[J. Mills]

That takes me over here. It's like, that's how it's supposed to be.

[Memphis Bleek]

You know what I'm saying? That's the cause I want to get. I don't want to call your dad. I think I need a lawyer, man. You know, I was fighting my girl like, you know what I mean? Shit like that.

[J. Mills]

Even when we was living in. Because I was living in la and then, well, my lady, she got a son from a previous relationship. But I don't like to say it's my step, you know what I'm saying?

[Memphis Bleek]

That's your son?

[J. Mills]

Yeah. So when he was about to go to high school, I was on some like, babe, we gotta move out of la. Cause I don't want him going to high school in, in the inner city of la, you know what I'm saying?

[Memphis Bleek]

I don't want him have to follow politics.

[J. Mills]

Real talk, real talk. See, no, all jokes aside, I don't want him to have to be at the bus stop and have to worry about his chrome hearts might be the wrong color or his, his. He might have a, a Cleveland Indians hat on and that. You're not supposed to have that hat on over here. That's. They, that's like a 30 block away hat. You supposed to wear that over. He don't need to go through that. He, he run track, play football. So let's move 10 minutes from Disneyland. I don't care what nobody say, you moved way out there. No, no, no, you're right. Yes, yes.

[Memphis Bleek]

You scared?

[J. Mills]

No, I'm terrified. Yeah, I'm terrified.

[Memphis Bleek]

But you know what?

[J. Mills]

You know what? I also, I'm trying to, I'm trying to get used to not hearing no siren, no alarm, no, that's right, Ambulance, the fire truck, the bus. Ain't nobody on the corner, really. It ain't really no sidewalks, it's just houses with the grass. If you want to walk, you walk in the street. Yo, bro, that make me feel better than any album I could have ever put out, bro.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yo, bro, my first time moving out the hood, bro, listen, I tell you one of the illest stories. Yo, listen, my first house, I bought, I bought my first house. I was 19 in. What was it? Leon? Not Leon. It was Oak Bridge, New Jersey. O Bridge, New Jersey, Right. So this is when I was with my baby moms at the time, and I remember we got in a big argument. She used to get up and go to work and in the morning the phone would always ring. This is when we had house phones, landlines. The phone would always ring early in the morning. Morning, I'm answering the phone, there's people trying to sell me. Yo, we got offers on this. Yeah, Tell the marketers. So I call her and I'm bitching, yo, yo, why you ain't signing up for all this? Like, we. I don't want to buy none of this dumb. You got all these people calling the crib. I'm in the crib, sleep. Stop signing up for this. People calling, soliciting, trying to sell me. And you know what she said to me? This is when I realized I never had money before. Cause I'm like, yo, when I was in the hood, these motherfuckers never called nothing, no solicitors. She said, you know why your number.

[J. Mills]

Wasn'T on the radar?

[Memphis Bleek]

Cause they knew you ain't have no money in the hood. You got a house. I didn't give the number out to nobody. They got the numbers listed. They just.

[J. Mills]

I'm like, oh, you start putting all this shit together.

[Memphis Bleek]

Like, this is what it's like when you getting some chicken, they on you. Like, we got these credit cards you want to come get. We got this offer on these tires.

[J. Mills]

You start learning. Learning in real time. Yeah, learning in real time. And like, that's why when we was talking earlier and I was talking about that Breakfast Club interview, Breakfast Club interview that you did, and I was like, I took. I took heed to that one line that you said, you know what I'm saying? And it was like, you never stopped working. You know what I'm saying? You gonna keep grinding, you're gonna keep trying to figure it out. But coming from where we come from, it's like, yo, when the music, when the music sounds stop and you have to figure out something. Now, sometimes it might be like the music might be slowing up. I'm talking about when it. When as an artist you feel like it's over, you know it's over. You, like, I'm forcing it right now, you know what I'm saying? But. And every artist been through that point where you still gonna force it because we don't know how to retire. We never seen rappers be to this length. I was telling niggas the other day, 50 year old rappers when I was young, they ain't look like Nas.

[Memphis Bleek]

No. Hell no.

[J. Mills]

Know they would. They ain't look nothing like HOV. And these @ all, these pocket squares with plaid shirts on, flannel khakis looking crazy. Blue blockers ain't look like HOV and Nas and these. So it's like, where we at with it now? Just seeing, with. With everything that you doing with the podcast and everything. Seeing everything that Gilly doing with the podcast and Wallow and Nori and Jill. Yo, I was telling my man, I'm like, yo, every, even Cam and Mason, everybody that's doing something right now in the media space, it has nothing to do with what I know y' all for when I was hanging pictures up on the wall and all that. And I'm pretty sure everybody I just named, they went through that point of feeling like, damn, is this, like this? Is this what it feel? Is this. You know what I'm saying? Like, and then you turn around and niggas is getting eight figure deals. I be telling people like, yo, y' all know what an eight figure deal is, bro? You hear Cam and Mace got a eight, you know, figure deal.

[Memphis Bleek]

They killed.

[J. Mills]

Like, yo, I don't think you ever. They killed. I don't know if Cam or Mace ever got a eight figure deal or Confessions of Fire. Cause I had all of those albums.

[Memphis Bleek]

They did.

[J. Mills]

All I know is what I've been told.

[Memphis Bleek]

And that's a half truth is a whole lie.

[Maggie Freeling]

For almost a decade, the murder of an 18 year old girl from a small town in Graves County, Kentucky went unsolved until a local homemaker, a journalist, and a handful of girls came forward with a story.

[Memphis Bleek]

I'm telling you, we know Quincy killed her.

[Maggie Freeling]

We know a story that law enforcement used to convict six people and that got the citizen investigator on national tv.

[J. Mills]

Through sheer persistence and nerve, this Kentucky housewife helped give justice to Jessica Curran.

[Maggie Freeling]

My name is Maggie Freeling. I'm a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist producer, and I wouldn't be here if the truth were that easy to find.

[J. Mills]

I did not know her and I did not kill her or rape or burn or any of that other stuff that y' all said.

[Memphis Bleek]

They literally made me say that I took a match and struck and threw it on her. They made me say that I poured gas on her.

[Maggie Freeling]

From Lava for good. This is Graves County, a show about just how far our legal system will go in order to find someone to blame.

[J. Mills]

America, y' all better wake the hell up. Bad things happens to good people and smart towns.

[Maggie Freeling]

Listen to Graves county in the Bone Valley. Feed on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And to binge the entire season ad free. Subscribe to Lava for Good plus on Apple Podcasts.

[Eva Longoria]

I'm Eva Longoria.

[Maite Gomez Rejuan]

And I'm Maite Gomez. Rejoin.

[Eva Longoria]

And on our podcast Hungry for History, we mix two of our favorite things. Food and history.

[Maite Gomez Rejuan]

Ancient Athenians used to scratch names onto oyster shells and they called these ostrakon to vote politicians into exile. So our word ostracize is related to the word oyster.

[J. Mills]

No way.

[Maite Gomez Rejuan]

Bring back the ostracon.

[Eva Longoria]

And because we've got a very mi casa es su casa kind of vibe on our show, friends always start.

[J. Mills]

Pretty much every entry into this side of the planet was through the El Golf of America forever and ever.

[Eva Longoria]

It blows me away how progressive Mexico was in this moment. They had land reform, they had labor rights, they had education rights.

[Maite Gomez Rejuan]

Mustard seeds were so valuable to the ancient Egyptians that they used to place them in their tombs for the afterlife.

[Eva Longoria]

Listen to Hungry for History as part of the My Cultura podcast network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Narrator of Chinatown Sting]

In early 1988, federal agents raced to track down the gang they suspect of importing millions of dollars worth of heroin into New York from Asia.

[Memphis Bleek]

We had 30 agents ready to go with shotguns and rifles and you name it.

[Narrator of Chinatown Sting]

But what they find is not what they expected.

[J. Mills]

Basically, your stay at home moms were picking up these large amounts of heroin. They go, is this your daughter? I said, yes. They go, oh, you may not see her for like 25 years.

[Narrator of Chinatown Sting]

Caught between a federal investigation and the violent gang who recruited the the women must decide who they're willing to protect and who they dare to betray.

[J. Mills]

Once I slowly gone, I tried to take his hand and I saw the flash of light.

[Narrator of Chinatown Sting]

Listen to the Chinatown sting on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or anywhere you get your podcasts.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

I'm Jonathan Goldstein, and on the new season of Heavyweight, I help a centenarian mend a broken heart.

[J. Mills]

How can 101-year-old fall in love again?

[Jonathan Goldstein]

And I help a man atone for an armed robbery he committed at 14 years old. And so I pointed the gun at.

[J. Mills]

Him and said, this isn't a joke.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

And he got down.

[J. Mills]

And I remember feeling kind of a surge of like, okay, this is power.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Plus, my old friend Gregor and his brother tried to solve my problems through hypnotism.

[J. Mills]

We could give you a whole brand new thing where you're like super charming all the time, being more able to look people in the eye, not always hide behind a microphone.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Listen to heavyweight on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Michael Lewis]

Michael Lewis here. My book the Big Short tells the story of the buildup and birth of the US housing market back in 2008. It follows a few unlikely but lucky people who saw the real estate market for the black hole it would become. And eventually made billions of dollars from that perception. It was like feeding the monster, said Eisman. We fed the monster until it blew up. The monster was exploding. Yet on the streets of Manhattan, there was no sign anything important had just happened. Now, 15 years after the Big Short's original release, and a decade after it became an Academy Award winning movie, I've recorded an audiobook edition for the very first time. The Big Short story. What it means when people start betting against the market and who really pays for an unchecked financial system is as relevant today as it's ever been. Offering invaluable insight into the current economy and also today's politics. Get the Big Short now at Pushkin fm. Audiobooks or wherever audiobooks are sold.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yo, I'm telling you, that Radio 8.

[J. Mills]

Figure deal for you. Like when you got a deal where you.

[Memphis Bleek]

I never went plat.

[J. Mills]

Not, not you. But I'm saying, like, there was artist, there was artists getting like eight figure record deals.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yes, you heard. Yay. Say it. I walk in Def Jam like, give me 50 million or I'mma quit. Yes, you right.

[J. Mills]

But I don't think they got it.

[Memphis Bleek]

Mace and Cam was getting that bag. Trust me.

[J. Mills]

Well, I could be wrong.

[Memphis Bleek]

Trust me.

[J. Mills]

But even with me saying and I could be wrong, probably was getting it and I'm completely wrong.

[Memphis Bleek]

Trust.

[J. Mills]

What I'm saying is the, the, the, the feel.

[Memphis Bleek]

Let's just say the feel not everybody in the field got.

[J. Mills]

I don't want to make it seem like a Cam and Mace thing. I'm trying to make a point here.

[Memphis Bleek]

No, Wallow and Gilly just got the major bag from B.

[J. Mills]

And Wallow ain't never put no music out. So I don't want to make it a Mason camp thing, cuz I could.

[Memphis Bleek]

Is dropping verses. He dropping major Alabama Lapella verses, though. His verses is going harder than some of these songs. So.

[J. Mills]

Yo, while I'm tell you, I learned so much from everybody I just named too, right? I learned so much from just watching, right? Like, I remember I heard Wallow say some like. And he probably didn't mean to say it like that, but I forgot who he was doing the interview when he said some like. Yo, our first sponsorship was. I told them I want y' all to give us 20 million or I mean 20,000 for a month. Four episodes a month. So it'd be five. And I'm like, oh, I'm doing this all wrong. I'm being nice with the prices.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's right.

[J. Mills]

These is. But, but that's the game. But a Lot of right now they don't like when I was saying that 0.006. I was giving that analogy for the free throw. A lot of don't understand that. That's. That's what they working. You know what I'm saying? They don't understand that they could do this.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah.

[J. Mills]

But no, N A ain't here with it yet.

[Memphis Bleek]

See, this is the thing they need to understand. Ain't even that you working for. I'm put that into perspective. You not working for the 0.00.0.6. Don't ever think that. And no artist out there should ever think that. You know what you're working for. You're a brand, bro.

[J. Mills]

Oh, no, of course.

[Memphis Bleek]

Of course you're a brand.

[J. Mills]

Of course.

[Memphis Bleek]

And that's 0.6. Whatever that $0.06. Don't. That's just a fraction of what your brand is now. It's for you to develop your brand and go make your brand what it's worth.

[J. Mills]

You're 100% right.

[Memphis Bleek]

So you working for your brand.

[J. Mills]

I used to say. You know what I mean? I was saying like music used to be. Music used to be the tree.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yes.

[J. Mills]

So what you're saying is 100% right. Music used to be the tree. And I feel like music was all of our tree, but now music is just a branch on the tree. Yes, we are the tree. You're the kind of doing the brand.

[Memphis Bleek]

It's just to exit off like. Like to me, I feel like everybody want to do media. Everybody can't do media. It's the same thing with rap. It's a lot of podcast in the world. Same thing. Anything in the world. It's not for everybody. So at some point, every artist is going to run into that point where they feel like they ain't checking for me no more, dog. I got to make that transition. This was not on my menu when I felt like I wanted to make that transition. You know what I'm saying? My first thing when rap was over was my Baby Doucet.

[J. Mills]

Yeah.

[Memphis Bleek]

You know what I'm saying?

[J. Mills]

I seen you was moving with it.

[Memphis Bleek]

And I had to take the major humble pill with this because remember, I'm used to going in the back door in the club, getting the brown bag and hitting the stage.

[J. Mills]

That was that point with you where I said every rapper get to that point where they be like, like, damn, is this it? Yeah, is this that?

[Memphis Bleek]

And it was. And I knew it was over. They not checking for me. I have to find a way to pay these bills.

[J. Mills]

I Feel like you. What you saying is completely right. And I just had a thought real quick. I think what a lot of niggas like when you say you was at that point. A lot of niggas get to that point, and they know it, but they never experienced it yet, I think. Cause I be noticing that, too. I be asking a lot of myself, damn, why is a lot of niggas still chasing and. Because they never. They wasn't on the Dynasty album.

[Memphis Bleek]

No. I don't even think.

[J. Mills]

No, hold on. They wasn't big in my trouble or what? Yeah, they wasn't. They wasn't on making the band with the fuck you verse. They didn't get a chance to do every girl in the world of Bedrock. So when you looking at them like, bro, you could be doing way more with just you as who you are as the brand. They looking at it like. It's easy for you to say that, Mills. You was with Lil Wayne, Dwayne and Drake and them.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah. But they think that makes it easier.

[J. Mills]

And it's the same. Look at you and be like, yeah, that's easy. You was with.

[Memphis Bleek]

It would be easy if they make the call for you.

[J. Mills]

And we try to put on and tell them like, yo, I know what you chasing. I'm. I'm not trying to on you and tell you don't do it. I'm just telling you. It's so different now. That's a minor piece of the puzzle, bro.

[Memphis Bleek]

That used to be the whole puzzle. Music used to be the everything, the gateway to everything.

[J. Mills]

But now it's just a branch on the tree.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yes, you the tree. And you have to figure out what your niche is. Because like I said, I had to learn. Liquor ain't for everybody. I tried to do the clothing thing. I'm not a designer. You know what I'm saying? I'm not a designer. It didn't work for me. Like, I had no idea this was gonna work. So I'm just as shocked as anybody else that's seeing this.

[J. Mills]

You tell it, though, man. You a great. And you tell stories without shit on a.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's my whole thing. I don't.

[J. Mills]

That's what I try to do too, bro.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's what I'm looking for.

[J. Mills]

That.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yes. And that's what I wanted to bring when Nori was telling me, yo, you got to do the part. People with you, they want to hear from you. They like when you talk. And my thing was, Nori, I. I would do it. Don't get me wrong. But I'm not coming on this platform to on even that I genuinely don't with.

[J. Mills]

I'm just.

[Memphis Bleek]

I'm not going to turn on this camera and kick them while they dance down or throw a shot at them when they up. That's just not who I am.

[J. Mills]

Following the politics.

[Memphis Bleek]

I ain't following no. No politics. My. Ain't no politics. Cause if I was following the politics, it's war ready time. You feel me? But I'm just not in that. I feel like I even said in my music, bro, we all from the bottom. We all trying to get there. So if we got a problem, I deal with that when I see you. Yeah, I'm not gonna. On your craft, your talent, your music, your show, whatever you got going on to pay the bills and feed your kids. Come on, bro. I want to eat.

[J. Mills]

That's what's working for you.

[Memphis Bleek]

You feel me? I'm not against nobody, but it's a lot of who just pick my name out the hat and feel like it. I'm wing avoiding no smoke on this side. But yeah, we ain't picking and we ain't starting. No, we ain't with it, bro. It's like I'm almost 50. My. I've been through that. So it's like.

[J. Mills]

And that's a. That's a. My birthday was last week.

[Memphis Bleek]

Happy belated. My happy belated to you. Appreciate you, my brother.

[J. Mills]

The fact that I always tell. You know what I was telling a bunch of my homies the other day when I was at the bakery, the 10th year anniversary, I'm seeing shout out to bakery. I went to elementary school and all that. Like, I just turned 43.

[Memphis Bleek]

Ah, man, that's what's up, man. You on the fourth floor soon. You're about to get that back. 45 cars, back room, upper room.

[J. Mills]

Serious. So I'm seeing, right, that I went to elementary school, which you grew up with. And I'm like, damn, man, good to see you. I was like, yo, it's just good to see you. He's like, oh. To me. I'm like, yo, my. You ain't in jail.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's right.

[J. Mills]

Dead you here. If I could still see you and give you a dap and say, what up, my? And we in our fourth chapter. That's a blessing.

[Memphis Bleek]

Hell yeah. We didn't think we was gonna make it to the second.

[J. Mills]

I tell all the time. I used to. Me and Wayne. I used to always tell Wayne. It's like, yo, my nigga.

[Memphis Bleek]

Big ain't big.

[J. Mills]

Would have gave anything to Be my age would have gave anything to say. Yo, bleak, I'm 43. Easy E pun can name for go on for days.

[Memphis Bleek]

Any of my man from the hood.

[J. Mills]

Of my that died, they didn't get a chance to get graded. 43 be like, yo, my son about to get his license. Yes, son about to get his license.

[Memphis Bleek]

It's a fact.

[J. Mills]

You mean to tell me you raised somebody that ain't in jail, that ain't got you? He ain't about to. Like how you said he ain't calling for no lawyer fees. Like he has school.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's right.

[J. Mills]

In another country. He got a passport.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's a fact.

[J. Mills]

I know that ain't got a passport. They don't know what it's like to go through customs and like that. But they'll argue on the block who got more money between which rap Kobe Bryant and Paul Pierce. It's like my. That the.

[Memphis Bleek]

The landlord don't matter. That's a fact.

[J. Mills]

The landlord want this. And now it's to the point where the school want this. You want to keep your daughter or your son in that school, they want theirs every 30 days. So what you gonna do to do it? What you gonna do to get it? And sometimes it'd be like, I can't play with you. You know what I'm saying? You don't want to feel like you. Like you said, you outgrown. And sometimes you get that survivor's remorse where you still want to be cool with the you grow with. And you look back, you'd be like, we in our 40s.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah, I'm. I don't wanna, don't wanna. I don't wanna be cool if niggas don't want to be cool. I don't want to be cool either. I'm cool with the breeze. I'm cool with my wife, my daughter, my son, my riders, my pop up. I'm gonna get married next year, too.

[J. Mills]

And you gotta come to the way.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah, man. You send that invite me there.

[J. Mills]

Gotta come to the way.

[Memphis Bleek]

You send that invite, I'm there. I'm not performing, though.

[J. Mills]

Nah, nah, you're not performing. We just gonna play. We just gonna play Duma, you know what I'm saying? We gonna let it ride and light up like that.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah.

[J. Mills]

Me and my lady. Me and my lady. Did we being a. Look my lady. My fiance, my fiance Shout out to my lady.

[Memphis Bleek]

Dana, right? That's right.

[J. Mills]

One of the biggest. Memphis bleak.

[Memphis Bleek]

Oh, man. Much love, man.

[J. Mills]

My lady got the Rockefeller tank top. She said she got it oh, yeah. She said she got it from Speed on a Sunday night. When you perform that? When I get home, I'm gonna take a picture of it, I'm gonna send it to you.

[Memphis Bleek]

You can put it in the interview.

[J. Mills]

She got this in the crib, the.

[Memphis Bleek]

White one with the blue letters, right? Oh, hell yeah. I know. I remember that shirt, baby.

[J. Mills]

She got this in the crib. So just to. Just to have moments like that, it's like when you like, yo, bro, when you getting married? It's like, nah, I want to get married because I feel like my nigga. I want my kids to know, like, daddy and mom, this is what we.

[Memphis Bleek]

This is all we know.

[J. Mills]

Like, I don't have a picture with my moms and my pops. I never prayed with my moms and my pops. I never seen my moms and my pops hug. I never ate together with my moms and my pops. So for me to be in my kids life like that, I already did some shit that my pops. I never spent the night under the roof with my moms and my pops.

[Memphis Bleek]

Neither have I.

[J. Mills]

You know what I'm saying?

[Memphis Bleek]

So a lot of the shit that.

[J. Mills]

Make me like that, it make me like I wanna be there, you know what I'm saying?

[Memphis Bleek]

I had different reasons. Like me as a kid, I used to dream of having a baby. I didn't have a big family. I'm from such a small.

[J. Mills]

How many brothers and sisters you got?

[Memphis Bleek]

I only got two brothers and two sisters. I got one brother, you know what I'm saying? But I mean, like, I only got one aunt. I mean, two aunts, one uncle.

[J. Mills]

Oh, no.

[Memphis Bleek]

You know what I mean? Both my aunts passed. My uncle and Jack.

[J. Mills]

My grandma's had 10 kids.

[Memphis Bleek]

Like, my family was small. It was Marcy and then it was Brownsville. That's as far as my family went.

[J. Mills]

Okay.

[Memphis Bleek]

It was Rockaway Avenue and Flesher Avenue. That was it. That's it?

[J. Mills]

That's all you knew?

[Memphis Bleek]

So when I. I used to go back to school and all my friends, kids be like, yo, what you did this summer? And they be like, oh, I was in Virginia, I was in North Carolina.

[J. Mills]

They got the Inkwell, like Martha's Vineyard.

[Memphis Bleek]

And they be like, get to me. And it's like I was in Brownsville. Teacher be looking like, God damn, nigga, you almost died twice.

[J. Mills]

You take your ass to rob Playland.

[Memphis Bleek]

Or nothing, nigga, like, like, nah, I went from Bar Z to Brownsville. I spent my summer in Brownsville. They like, oh, shit. So that used to make Me feel like, damn. I ain't got no family out of town, no aunts, no uncles, nothing. Yeah, like, I. I want my kids to experience that. So when I had my daughter, like, when I got married, man, I. I knew my wife, like, I was going with her to see her dad. God rest, you know, his soul, God bless. To get his permission, you know, let him know I'm marrying his daughters, doing it, you know, the right way.

[J. Mills]

What year y' all got married?

[Memphis Bleek]

2004.

[J. Mills]

Oh, man.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah, you.

[J. Mills]

I gotta call you. You more.

[Memphis Bleek]

No, no, 2013. Yes. I'm bugging.

[J. Mills]

2000. I about to say 2004. I gotta call you more like God, then you got some insight.

[Memphis Bleek]

No, 2014. God damn. Bugging. We got married 12, 13, 14.

[J. Mills]

That's still a decade.

[Memphis Bleek]

Look, 12, 13, 14. Yes. That's the date we got, man. I'm bugging. That's what the weed do. That's the effects.

[J. Mills]

Ladies and gentlemen. Gotta get your mind right.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yo, listen, so 12, 14. So I went with her down, you know, to visit her dad and to get permission. And, bro, like, the family was just like 200 people down there. It's like, yo, all is your family. And she like, yeah, these just amazing cousins and everything. It's like, wait, whoa, whoa. Everybody from this part, that part, this, that, this everywhere. Everybody own businesses, houses here, this, that. I'm like, they deep then. And she like, yeah, this ain't even my mom's side. It's my dad's side. Then on the Christmas, we went to mom's side, and. And it's flooded over there.

[J. Mills]

It's like, this is what it is.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah. My kid coming in this family. My kid gonna be traveling around the world like this, moving around, and I. I always wanted that. So that's what the life I wanted to give my kids. You know what I mean? My son, that just. That. That just happened. That was it. It's one of those. It's my dog, but it happened, dog. I was 24 years old. I was out outside.

[J. Mills]

Yeah. Oh, come on, man.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah. I mean, gave you a Dutch. They got you ready, cuz.

[J. Mills]

And I'm.

[Memphis Bleek]

Look, man, look, we can't out.

[J. Mills]

Yo, I done had a whole surgery, and I'm still smoking dutches.

[Memphis Bleek]

1. Sorry to not follow, cuz. Me and my dogs over here, you know, it's cuz and it's blood in New York, and when we go there, we cuz bloods blood, cuz.

[J. Mills]

I got. I got cousins in my family that are. And I have cousins, so you Literally have blood, cuz. So you have literal cuz.

[Memphis Bleek]

Blood and blood, cuz. Don't say that in la.

[J. Mills]

You know what's crazy about like, about like me, I always been like low. Like, even when I was living in Miami, you know who to fuck with, see, you know who not to fuck with.

[Memphis Bleek]

Even when you in New York, like.

[J. Mills]

As I started becoming J. Miller, it's like, nah. When you go out to Duvet on Thursday or Sunday, take your Harlem with you, you don't know what these niggas is involved with. Because I was a firm believer of being caught up in shit, seeing niggas in the club. You on seven days, seven nights, popping.net, like, yo, I'm get you that.

[Memphis Bleek]

I'mma loan you like five Lower east side niggas and like two Brooklyn. So you good. So you ain't got to follow no protocols or politics out here.

[J. Mills]

Oh no, out here. Yo, my little man the other day, he bugged out. I was going to. I was going get a haircut. I was going to get a haircut. So I was going to my man Kenny get a haircut. And it's my little brother's homie. So we walking around the corner, he like. He like, yo, you not gonna drive the rental? I'm like like, nah, I've been. I'm.

[Memphis Bleek]

I'm all.

[J. Mills]

I've been living. I lived on East Harlem, West Harlem, Wash Heights. I don't owe nobody nothing.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's right. Nobody ain't looking for me.

[J. Mills]

Yeah, I'm not. I don't live like that. I don't live that type of life where I can't go to the barber shop, talk about the Knicks or this or that.

[Memphis Bleek]

I'm not going to the barbershop.

[J. Mills]

No, not saying that I.

[Memphis Bleek]

The gun is under the apron. Listen. The gun is under the apron.

[J. Mills]

But I can't. But the fact that you can.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yes.

[J. Mills]

You know, you always gonna need to make sure you right. Yeah, don't get it twisted. I don't move around like it can't happen to me. But I think niggas just be amazed to see meals in the store ordering a single cheese.

[Memphis Bleek]

I just went out of chopped cheese.

[J. Mills]

I just told you I got one with the cocoa bread. Like we.

[Memphis Bleek]

I think I might have found the illest chopped cheese spot in New York City. B on pit right over here. Fire. I ain't gonna give up the location. Cause done up my spot in Brooklyn. Farm in the deli. I love it. But the line be around the black tick tock.

[J. Mills]

Yeah. Everything Up Tick tock and mess everything up.

[Memphis Bleek]

Oh, yeah.

[J. Mills]

I wanna.

[Memphis Bleek]

I wanna ask you. What's your deli.

[J. Mills]

What's your. What's your favorite three songs that you ever did? Like, your favorite. Not. Not that that you feel like you got bitch busy on, like. Because I heard you talking about hypnotic one time. Hypnotic. You got. I always used to love change up. I get high riding down to I95.

[Memphis Bleek]

I listen to that today. That's my dog. I listen to first.

[J. Mills]

I get high riding down the i95. And Holla is like one in the same to me.

[Memphis Bleek]

Like, that's.

[J. Mills]

But that's my favorite. That's like my favorite bleak.

[Memphis Bleek]

I appreciate you, bro.

[J. Mills]

Do mine like that. Now that's my. My fiance.

[Memphis Bleek]

They not even.

[J. Mills]

She said Swiss gave Beyonce the template, but I ain't gonna say nothing. Yeah, but she said Swiss gave Beyonce.

[Memphis Bleek]

He seen what I did. Yeah, he seen what I did with like that. He needed that tempo. He gave me that say, hold up. They gotta.

[J. Mills]

They. I. I got.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah, I got a lot of influence out here. They don't give me my props, you know what I'm saying? But my favorite joint, to me, like one of them. I gotta. Gotta put who the fuck want what in there. Because that's when I felt.

[J. Mills]

I totally forgot about that, like. Cause you get your get back for.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's why I gotta get Jazzo on the show. Because Jazzo played the major role in me coming up. Cause he used to always say to me, yo, just keep writing. I used to be to him. Like, say to him, yo, how you come up with the choruses, man? Yo, just keep writing. Yo, how you know when it's 16 bars? Just keep writing. No matter what I said to him, his answer was just keep. When you done, when you find out who you are, you gonna know what a hook is. You gonna know what the verse don't stop at. Cause you gonna come into your.

[J. Mills]

That was a good way to tell you.

[Memphis Bleek]

And I feel like that song was when I became who I dreamt of being like, on the. As an emcee. That song is when I knew. I'm here. I can stand toe to toe with you, Beans.

[J. Mills]

Now what up?

[Memphis Bleek]

You ain't gonna wash me no more. And that's why I think he started feeling like how this nigga just get so good. Like.

[J. Mills]

And then a lot of the records that y' all would be on together, even, like, the understanding of that. A lot of that shit.

[Memphis Bleek]

Like hustlers, all of that money, cash.

[J. Mills]

Hoes, like, a lot of That a lot of that shit was like, damn, man. Like, look, it's a pleasure for me to be sitting here doing that interview, bro.

[Memphis Bleek]

Like, to be honest with you, this ain't no interview. We chopping it. My.

[J. Mills]

Nah, nah, nah, nah, fuck that. Cause you in the field now. This gonna be one of your interviews. Like, nah. That interview with him and Mills was.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah, that's fact.

[J. Mills]

This is what we gonna respect. What you doing now? My. This is a interview. We have conversations outside of this. This is an interview. You conducting an interview right now, My brother.

[Memphis Bleek]

My brother.

[J. Mills]

Just as somebody that grew up listening to you, my. I was one of them people that would argue in school and be like, nah, my nigga, Jay Z, don't be writing all his shit. Because I read credits, I opened booklets. I wanted to see where samples came from. So I knew when I saw S do Carter was the only name on the coming to age. I'm like, oh. But then I started saying m M Cox.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's right.

[J. Mills]

Oh, that is every.

[Memphis Bleek]

Trying to say my last name of pause.

[J. Mills]

I wasn't going to say it.

[Memphis Bleek]

You see, I had to fight for that. I had to fight a lot.

[J. Mills]

Mr. What? Oh, just say Malik.

[Memphis Bleek]

Just say Malik.

[J. Mills]

I wasn't about to say that name. I just spell it out.

[Memphis Bleek]

I had to fight for that.

[J. Mills]

Nah, man.

[Memphis Bleek]

So, I mean, Brooklyn was tough.

[J. Mills]

It was tough, man. It's a pleasure just for. Just to be sitting here with you in your next chapter of what you do. I never got a chance to do music with you and do all of that, but just listening to you, I could say, like, yo, you inspired me in a way where it was like, nah, I don't get. I don't give a fuck what them niggas say, my nigga. I'm talking my shit. You know what I'm saying? Like, mine right round here. I remember when you did round here, I was like. Cause that was. That round here was probably the first time I ever heard you. Cause I'm a fan. That was probably the first time I ever heard you get on that type of shit.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah, yeah.

[J. Mills]

And I know you had been liking. I remember you was like, yo, I put niggas on the Ross.

[Memphis Bleek]

You know what I'm saying?

[J. Mills]

So I know you had an ear for listening to that type of. But you never gave us a. You never gave us nothing like, round here until round here.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah. No, because, you know, and that shit was so fire. And I gotta give props to Mr. Cool for that, man. Mr. Cool was one of the first, like, you know, outside of New York, music that I heard, like, down south with the 808s and the drums like that. When I first heard the man right here, that shit.

[J. Mills]

Knew we wasn't. We didn't have beats like that in New York.

[Memphis Bleek]

I knew I need one of those beats. I don't give a fuck.

[J. Mills]

That shit don't sound like what they bring it to the studio for me, my.

[Memphis Bleek]

So I'm telling you, I just knew, like, damn, this. This. This sound right here. Then you start hearing, you know, Atlanta, the. The. What was it? The. The Young Bloods and.

[J. Mills]

Yeah.

[Memphis Bleek]

You know what I mean?

[J. Mills]

I went to TI House when he was working on Urban Legend.

[Memphis Bleek]

Oh, you were dead.

[J. Mills]

Yo. He had the ankle monitor on. Pharrell had bought the bus to his house. He had the bus out. He had the. This is how Fire T. I was on.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah.

[J. Mills]

And he was doing the song Super Super Freak. And Tiny was bringing them food down to the studio and he got the song playing. But she's a freak, though. And she just stand there listening to the song. Oh, this like.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah.

[J. Mills]

But he was locked in hell.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah, that's how you.

[J. Mills]

Like.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's how you gotta be. I feel like those the best moments when you really get the lock in. Like, I feel like the best times in recording me, like, is with my guy, Young Guru Man. But, like, shout out to Guru to get back to what your question was. You like my favorite three. I said favorite three. Yeah, of course. Who want what number one? And then, like, I gotta put Hand it down up there. Hand it down. That was my only time working with Primo. You know what I mean?

[J. Mills]

Primo joint.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yep. In DD studio, you know, so that's like.

[J. Mills]

Oh, in D and D, that's probably a story within itself.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah. So that's like super historic for me.

[J. Mills]

You know, That's a memory fit.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah. Like being in doing that with him in that iconic studio with Jay, too.

[J. Mills]

It was like, yeah, that was tough.

[Memphis Bleek]

You can't beat that. Like that. And then, man, the third one, I gotta say, probably something like, understand me still. Produced by my dog, T.T. t.T. Beats. That's OG Warner cousin from Harlem, you know 145th.

[J. Mills]

Yeah. 14 uptown.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying?

[J. Mills]

You know what I'm saying?

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah. But understand me still. I felt like that was at a point in my life when shit was going down and I knew that, you know, the industry break niggas when they feel like they lose it all, they.

[J. Mills]

Lose it Niggas don't talk about that.

[Memphis Bleek]

And me, I just knew, like, they don't understand who I am, man. I'm born in a recession. I'm born in poverty, bro. I'm born fucked up.

[J. Mills]

This shit can't break me.

[Memphis Bleek]

No, ain't nothing that, man, I'm happy I'm still here.

[J. Mills]

And I could because I remember. I know a song you talking about. That was the standpoint where it was like, nigga, I did me already.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah. Like, you know what I'm saying? I'm good where I'm at.

[J. Mills]

I did it my way type shit.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yes. And it was like, if I could never do this again and I could never enjoy it, my family will. Cause they ain't never got to do what we used to do. And I knew that. So that's why I would put that one up there.

[J. Mills]

Yeah, yeah, man, that's dope.

[Memphis Bleek]

You know what I mean? So that was my thing. And now. Now and one. Like I always say, Jay used to tell me back in the day, oblique, why you don't put your personality in music? You're a funny man. You crazy. You be saying some of the illest. I used to be like, man, I don't know. When I get in that Boof shit, serious ain't time to play.

[J. Mills]

Yo, some of the. Some of the. The coolest, funniest rappers I ever been around. You all, you got crazy personality. When I used to be in the studio with, like, Tone and I, we would go see Fat Joe and he working. I used to be like, yo, Fat Joe, mind you, I'm sitting there like this, the first CD I ever had. And he's. Mills, you spit that. And I'm watching Joe, he in there in the studio at three in the afternoon. Oh, I work early and I'm a kid at that time. Like that Joe, you be in the studio at 2 o' clock in the afternoon. I'm old. I'm like, my. At one in the afternoon. That's a.

[Memphis Bleek]

You know what I'm saying?

[J. Mills]

I remember the first time I did a song with Fab. Shout out to the Fab.

[Memphis Bleek]

He came to the studio.

[J. Mills]

I remember I went back to the block. I said, yo, my Fab might be one of the funniest I ever been around in my life. And y' all would never know it.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's right. Because he.

[J. Mills]

I remember that day we was in the studio one night. I remember I was like, yo, this he. Yo, every page.

[Memphis Bleek]

We.

[J. Mills]

We was looking at a XXL magazine while we were smoking. Every Page we turned to the. Was joking on somebody like. Like, flaming these. And I'm like, yo, fuck fabs. But he was doing it like this.

[Memphis Bleek]

It's bugging. Yeah.

[J. Mills]

The Is that he got on. I'm just looking like, yo, this is hilarious. But all I know was the clue. Freestyle jersey interviews. You know what I'm saying? So now with this space, it feel good to be able to see, like, a. Like, Nori just conduct an interview for two. And I know Nori like to drink and smoke, but the fact that he figured out a way to make money off drinking and smoking and having a real convo with a. You know how to. How to have good convo. You know how to tell stories. Stories. And you're not about to even sit up here and talk to nobody that you don't feel like you could have a good call. No, you don't have to no more. You know what I'm saying?

[Memphis Bleek]

And. And my platform is for us, the underdogs that they counted out. Yeah. You know what I mean? That they didn't think can still.

[J. Mills]

Be.

[Memphis Bleek]

The Phoenix and come through the ashes and weather the storm, man. Like, you know that you the underdogs. They think, like, I.

[J. Mills]

It's over.

[Memphis Bleek]

Because if you really think about it, all the underdogs right now is. Is. Is the guys, like, the guy next to the guy is the guy now. Because the top dogs is all falling back.

[J. Mills]

And. And you got to work hard in this era. It don't. You could be as talented or you could be as hot as that. Talent don't matter.

[Memphis Bleek]

That don't mean nothing, man.

[J. Mills]

What do you know how to. And you better know how to do more than just one thing.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yo, what they say? What's the saying? Hard work be talent. When talent don't work hard. That's word up.

[J. Mills]

So talent don't mean. That's 100 true.

[Memphis Bleek]

You better get active. They making music out. Like you said, it's an AI.

[J. Mills]

AI. And they on the charts.

[Memphis Bleek]

And somebody created that bot so he has no talent. That's why they put it with the AI.

[J. Mills]

How you feel about the AI? I feel different about it because we.

[Memphis Bleek]

I watch too much Terminator. That's how I feel. Feel. I watched too much Terminator.

[J. Mills]

I feel like, man, y' all was sitting up.

[Memphis Bleek]

We gotta find John Connor showing me.

[J. Mills]

Dinosaurs and all sorts of. In Jurassic Park. And now y' all want to get mad at AI.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah.

[J. Mills]

Y' all never seen how. How T. Rexes used to walk, but y' all made them shits Walking Jurassic park in front of our face.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah, but they said that is cap. They said them dinosaurs didn't even exist before. They never found the full dinosaur.

[J. Mills]

Look how many movies they done. Yeah, because did some computer graphics with now AI is out my Beanie. Beanie. I saw some the other day with Beanie and Kiss, and they said the AI gave him made it with his voice. Could sound like in 98.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah, yeah, Bean's voice is back with the AI now.

[J. Mills]

I'm not mad at that.

[Memphis Bleek]

How we know AI ain't write that verse? Nah, I'm chilling. I it up.

[J. Mills]

Nah, it's a yo. And shout out to Beans, too, man. Yo, it's a little name. It's a little named like Baby Chief do it. I think that's his name, right? And he did an interview where he said he let chatgpt write his verse.

[Memphis Bleek]

Write his verse.

[J. Mills]

Like he told him what he wanted the rhyme to be, and he let it come out and shit was fire. And he did a song to it.

[Memphis Bleek]

See, chatgpt ghost writing now.

[J. Mills]

We up here. We up here fighting our life away to do this shit. Yeah, you gonna chat GPT. That shit'll write you up. Coming to age.

[Memphis Bleek]

I never chat. I don't even chat GPT to ask nothing. Niggas be asking recipes and everything. I don't talk to Chatgpt.

[J. Mills]

Niggas be like, yo, how many albums did Memphis Bleak sell on his first album, Coming to age?

[Memphis Bleek]

Yo, GPT should have tell him some whole other.

[J. Mills]

You like, I ain't sell them. I sold way more than that.

[Memphis Bleek]

You know what GPT mean to me. Gary Payton caused a turnover. He stole the ball from somebody.

[J. Mills]

The glove.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's chat GPT. Me and my chatting about GP chatting.

[J. Mills]

About GP where he got the T. Look, look, niggas can't even help but be rapping. Niggas can't even help but be rappers. That's some metaphorical double entrance and shit. We can't even help it, my nigga. You know what I'm saying? Like, yo, I ain't gonna lie, man. I ain't gonna lie, man. A lot of niggas right now in the rap game, I feel like if niggas would have came up in our era. Well, I say our era, you was there before me. But I still feel like. Like I caught the tail end of that era. I feel like if niggas would have came up in the get your tape decks ready or fighting for a number one spot on the crew tape, you know what I'm saying, oh, God. Fighting for that type of shit you take pride in. Nah, my nigga, you heard what I said? You know what I'm saying? We take pride in that shit. We take pride in. Did you hear what I said, though? Nah. Rwan, listen to that again. And I feel like now songs is one verse.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yo, yo, whole albums be one verse through the whole joint.

[J. Mills]

Might be 28 minutes, you know what I'm saying?

[Memphis Bleek]

I thought when I got the two verses, I was cutting it short.

[J. Mills]

I was doing three verse songs still. And he's like, mills ain't doing that no more. Now you doing two verses.

[Memphis Bleek]

Like, yo, I'm lit.

[J. Mills]

Doing two hooks and a verse in the middle.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yo, that word up and it's over.

[J. Mills]

You know what I'm saying? It's different.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah, shit done change now. What's next for you, though, Mills? Any more music? Music dropping?

[J. Mills]

Yeah, I just put out potent vibes. Only six.

[Memphis Bleek]

And I've seen the. The mellow feeling like.

[J. Mills]

Mellow feeling like mello.

[Memphis Bleek]

You know what I'm saying? Mellow.

[J. Mills]

Melo might be my favorite basketball player of all time.

[Memphis Bleek]

Okay.

[J. Mills]

I don't think he's the best. I'm the best. I'm a Kobe Bryant fanatic, too. I love bro that talk, that Mike AI all of them. But Melo is somebody. I feel like my run parallel with Mellow, my career. Like, they say he can only do one thing. Say, oh, he only a battle rapper. He said, mellow only a scorer. Mellow ain't never win no ring, but all the who won rings, respect them. I might have never went platinum solo, but my young money did.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's right.

[J. Mills]

So we won as a team. I'm one of them, right? I could accept that. But, yeah, I just always followed the career. I always felt like then when he was in New York, I was. We was mellowed out when he was playing New York was rapping. So I just said it. Let me just do a song like that. A little metaphorical. The whole song is about him, but it's real. Really about me. Like, my whole career too. I got the podcast with my lady. It's called Jane After Dark.

[Memphis Bleek]

Jane After Dark. We gonna talk. You know what I mean? He need distribution.

[J. Mills]

Yeah, Come on, let's do it, man.

[Memphis Bleek]

Drink Champs Network might be on Rock Solid Network might be launching.

[J. Mills]

Help me. I film it, I edit it.

[Memphis Bleek]

Upload. I do all that charlamagne.

[J. Mills]

Come on, let's do it.

[Memphis Bleek]

Charlamagne. Holla at me. Yeah, Come on, Nori.

[J. Mills]

Yeah, let's do it. Charlamagne today. Like, two times. That's old. That was when I was in my third.

[Memphis Bleek]

They talking about he want to start a network now. 15 episodes. Well, that's cool. Who you think he is?

[J. Mills]

We'll get past that shit. Let's get to the.

[Memphis Bleek]

You better not let Sexy Red or. Or Remy do it. They better let the.

[J. Mills]

The.

[Memphis Bleek]

The. The people that sing. Yo, yo.

[J. Mills]

But a lot of. A lot of this, I think I want to get in. You know, I direct and I do all that shit, too.

[Memphis Bleek]

Oh, shit.

[J. Mills]

So I want to start doing, like, miniseries. You know what I'm saying? Like, trying to do, like, miniseries, like in Chalet.

[Memphis Bleek]

You following the politics.

[J. Mills]

Following the politics. So you ain't got no problems.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's what I'm saying. That's right. Definitely. A.

[J. Mills]

You ain't gonna have to check in.

[Memphis Bleek]

Only check into hotels.

[J. Mills]

Yeah, that's it. I'm not. With all that.

[Memphis Bleek]

I'm not right.

[J. Mills]

But I'm working on. I'm working on a book, too. Oh, that's just doing a bunch of. That really ain't. The music is gonna be there. I got music that's coming out, but I'm trying to do a bunch of other. That you might not expect. Like, the reason why I started a podcast with my lady is because I'm like, damn, I could talk about sports. I could just talk about rap. And then again, you don't want to just be talking about albums. That's right. His albums and doing all that. Like, I don't want to do that. So I said, I don't know nobody that's doing nothing with they girl. Like, it might be other people that do it that's older, but none of my. That I talk to on the phone and I text and we keep. They ain't doing nothing with their girl. They don't make posts and share the comment section with their girl.

[Memphis Bleek]

Because these relationships don't last. That's why. That's why next year you're not going to be saying, yo, I'm doing with my girl. I'm doing with my wife. You know what I'm saying? Because that. That I haven't said my girl is so low. That should sound kind of funny to.

[J. Mills]

Me because I feel if I sit up here and I say my wife then gonna be like, oh, you ain't even married yet. And then they make you and make your girl look crazy.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah, I know, I know.

[J. Mills]

I know how to hate.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yo, they throw. I know.

[J. Mills]

But no, I'm gonna get. I'm Gonna get married next year. That's something I'm looking forward to do, too.

[Memphis Bleek]

I always lose my invite in the mail, though.

[J. Mills]

Nah, I'm n lo my in the mail. But when I. When they throw on like that. When they throwing like that, and I'll be like, yo, Mike check. One, two, one, two, one, two. Yo, I appreciate you for having me.

[Memphis Bleek]

Come on, my nigga, this time.

[J. Mills]

I don't drink this much Doucet neither.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yo, but nah, that's the yo. Welcome to the dark side, my brother. This is that shit right here, man. Listen, you can mix it with anything, too. Tell wifey this shit mixed with.

[J. Mills]

What would you suggest?

[Memphis Bleek]

What would you suggest for wifey or for you? Cause I wifey, and then for me.

[J. Mills]

Like, let's be make two.

[Memphis Bleek]

All right. We got this drink called the Drita, where it's like Doucet margarita. So you make it the same way you would make a margarita with tequila, but you use the Doucet and it's fire.

[J. Mills]

I like that. I'm gonna try that.

[Memphis Bleek]

Or you could just do, you know, if you want to just keep it cool. Doucet lemonade. I keep it me. The ginger ale works just fine. Ginger ale works just fine.

[J. Mills]

Come on, you know what I'm saying? Oh, nigga said the ginger ale work.

[Memphis Bleek]

Works fine.

[J. Mills]

Works fine. Lets me know you've had some trouble.

[Memphis Bleek]

Before, you know what I'm saying? Works fine. Then you could do the pineapple, the cranberry mix. Like, it's mad.

[J. Mills]

Like we have a whole pineapple cranberry with the Doucet. Sound like vacation, yo.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah, you definitely feel like you're in the Bahamas.

[J. Mills]

I like that.

[Memphis Bleek]

Definitely Bahamas like, I like that. Or, you know, you could just do a sidecar, you know what I'm saying? This shit we got, yo, my G, this, you can mix it with water, and it's cool. All right.

[J. Mills]

You better drink some water.

[Memphis Bleek]

You can mix it with water.

[J. Mills]

You better drink some water after you drinking this, because if I drink a little more of this bottle, I'm gonna need a whole finger poling spring.

[Memphis Bleek]

But nah, my G, anytime. Like I tell people all the time, man, this platform is for us. It's for the underdogs. The niggas still making their way, putting pressure out here. Yeah, Anytime you wanted, you want to get your word off. Say anything you got anything to say, anybody, Anything you want to promote, Anything. Even if you want to have a episode, you and your wife come up here and promote your show.

[J. Mills]

Oh, yeah, we'll be back.

[Memphis Bleek]

My Door's always open, bro.

[J. Mills]

You know what? I'm gonna bring the T shirt back.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah, my door is always open. Like you said, Shout out to bakery too, for the fresh fitting. I'm a rocket. Definitely, definitely with the pink. My daughter gonna be on my heels, Daddy. You better wear it so it's on.

[J. Mills]

My G. I appreciate you coming through, man. Yes.

[Memphis Bleek]

Keep doing your thing. Stay blessed, my brother. And stop following politics. Unless he gonna be a politician, y'. All. This is rock solid. Do say we don't follow politics. We drink. Yeah. For more podcasts from iHeartradio, visit iHeartra Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen to your favorite shows at. And you can follow me on any social media platform under the name Memphis Bleak. You see anybody frauding, flag them.

[Maggie Freeling]

The murder of an 18 year old girl in Graves County, Kentucky went unsolved for years until a local housewife, a trip journalist and a handful of girls came forward with a story.

[J. Mills]

America, y' all better wake the hell up. Bad things happens to good people and small towns.

[Maggie Freeling]

Listen to Graves county on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. And to binge the entire season ad free.

[Memphis Bleek]

Subscribe.

[Maggie Freeling]

Subscribe to Lava for Good plus on Apple Podcasts.

[Memphis Bleek]

Join me, Danny Trejo in Tales from the Shadows, an anthology of modern day horror stories inspired by the legends and lore of Latin America. Listen to Nocturnal Tales from the Shadow Shadow on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. You know the shade is always shadiest right here.

[Dr. Elizabeth Poynter]

Season six of the podcast Reasonably Shady with Gisele Bryant and Robyn Dixon is.

[Memphis Bleek]

Here dropping every Monday as two of the founding members of the Real Housewives Potomac. We're giving you all the laughs, drama.

[J. Mills]

And reality news you can handle. And you know, we don't hold back. So come be reasonable or shady with.

[Dr. Elizabeth Poynter]

Us each and every Monday listen to.

[Memphis Bleek]

Reasonably Shady from the Black Effect Podcast.

[Dr. Elizabeth Poynter]

Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Narrator of Chinatown Sting]

In early 1988, federal agents raced to track down the gang they suspect of importing millions of dollars worth of heroin into York, New New York from Asia.

[Memphis Bleek]

Had 30 agents ready to go with shotguns and rifles and you name it.

[J. Mills]

Five, six white people pushed me in the car.

[Memphis Bleek]

I'm going, what the hell?

[J. Mills]

Basically your stay at home moms were picking up these large amounts of heroin. All you gotta do is receive the package. Don't have to open it, just accept it. She was very upset, crying. Once I saw the gun, I tried to take his hand and I saw the flash of light.

[Narrator of Chinatown Sting]

Listen to the Chinatown Sting on the I Heart Radio Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or anywhere you get your podcasts.

[Eva Longoria]

I'm Eva Longoria.

[Maite Gomez Rejuan]

And I'm Maite Gomez Rejuan. And this week on our podcast Hungry for History, we talk oysters. Plus, the Miami Chief stops by.

[J. Mills]

If you are not an oyster lover, don't even talk to me.

[Maite Gomez Rejuan]

Ancient Athenians used to scratch names onto oyster shells to vote politicians into exile. So our word ostracized eyes is related to the word oyster.

[Memphis Bleek]

No way.

[Maite Gomez Rejuan]

Bring back the Ostercon.

[Eva Longoria]

Listen to Hungry for history on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Dr. Elizabeth Poynter]

This is an iHeart podcast.