Lil Cease | ROC Solid w/ Memphis Bleek

Summary

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ROC Solid w/ Memphis Bleek

Guest: Lil Cease

Date: August 19, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode of ROC Solid, hosted by Memphis Bleek, features an in-depth, unfiltered conversation with Brooklyn rap legend Lil Cease. Together, they reminisce about hip-hop’s golden era, share untold stories about The Notorious B.I.G., Junior MAFIA, Lil’ Kim, Roc-A-Fella, and discuss their own journeys, influences, and personal evolution. The episode is a raw and honest exploration of brotherhood, legacy, music industry realities, and what it means to grow up in and with hip-hop.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Holding Down Biggie’s Legacy and Family

• Cease’s responsibility to Biggie’s children:
  • Cease describes stepping into a mentor/uncle role for Biggie’s kids as “mandatory” after Big’s death.

    “Where we come from, it’s kind of like mandatory...I want to keep that attachment to Big: this is what he left here.” (Cease, 04:50)

• Bleek admits he never met Biggie’s kids and praises Cease’s loyalty.

  “You like the big unk. You know that they need the guidance...I respect how you hold that down.” (Memphis Bleek, 04:29)

2. Brooklyn in the 90s: Come-Up Stories

• Recollections of the old days, from Marcy Day in ‘95 to the way everyone hustled, hung out, and moved in packs—before cell phones, cloud, or social media.

  “You stinging crack rock or you got a wicked jump shot...there was nothing else.” (Cease, 06:54)

• The shock and impact of sudden success when Biggie got signed.

  “We didn’t expect that, bro...Once he got a record deal, it was like, alright, smooth, this shit dope, it’s taking us out the streets.” (Cease, 06:45–07:39)

3. Biggie’s Leadership, Junior MAFIA’s Structure, and the “Blueprint”

• Big’s vision: getting the crew on through his record deal.

  “If I can get right, I’ma try to get everybody else in position. And he literally did that.” (Cease, 10:15)

• Cease never initially wanted to be a rapper; Big pushed him into it and wrote his early verses.

  “You never even wanted to be a rapper?” (Memphis Bleek, 10:57)
  “Nah, I was cool with just hanging, bro...Big just like, fuck it, yo. I'ma write for him.” (Cease, 10:59–12:17)

• Junior MAFIA as a template for future rap crews:

  “A lot of rap crews…are structured the way Big structured Junior Mafia.” (Memphis Bleek, 12:20)

4. Brooklyn Bonds: Jay-Z, Biggie, and Roc-A-Fella Connections

• Deep stories of Jay-Z and Biggie’s friendship, their competitive spirit, and studio memories.

  “Jay and Big relationship was different...they pushed each other.” (Memphis Bleek, 16:33–16:37)

• Unfiltered anecdotes about running with legends and being on the bubble of success before fame (e.g., house parties with Super Cat, Shabba, Land Cruisers in Jersey, and the life-changing inspiration seeing others “get on”).

  “Living in the crib with elevators in it...Going back to Marcy after this. Something ain't right.” (Memphis Bleek, 15:14)

5. Untold Studio Stories and Hip-Hop Urban Legends

• The story behind the skit on “I Love the Dough”:

  “Everybody thinks that was me. That's not me, bro, you lying. That's Angeletti, that's D Dot.” (Cease, 17:33)

• “Crush On You” authorship myth:

  “I don’t know who wrote it. Till somebody say something...I ain’t write it. I ain’t started writing rhymes till 1999.” (Cease, 46:23)

6. Cease’s Solo Journey—Why Only One Album?

• Big was orchestrating Cease’s career; after Big’s passing, Cease felt exposed and less motivated.

  “When Big was here, Big was like jotting on me...I was a straight entertainment movie.” (Cease, 20:15)

• Tried to honor Big’s legacy, but group and industry drama held him back from a sophomore album.

  “After I did my album, it’s just a lot of things that happened us amongst the family....life was still...” (Cease, 29:56–30:16)

• The pressure of living with a legendary crew’s legacy and the fine line between staying relevant and overstaying in the game.

  “These new, young—look at what J. Cole did. I moved out the way from Cole willingly.” (Memphis Bleek, 40:04)

7. East Coast-West Coast & Media Myths

• Before the drama with Tupac:

  “It was like fam...Pac respected Big. Big respected him. Outside forces came in and fucked up that whole situation for sure.” (Cease, 54:18–55:31)

• The media, not artists, fueled the so-called “war.”

  “I blame...the media...the magazines. They pushed that.” (Memphis Bleek, 55:31)

8. The Evolution of Hip-Hop and Performance

• Comparing 90s touring to today’s artists, the evolution of live performance standards, and the role of authenticity.

  “Now...some of these guys still performing with...go to iTunes, play it, and I’ma perform it.” (Memphis Bleek, 84:33) “Our culture from the 90s is elevated...Covid really rejuvenated like music.” (Cease, 86:37)

9. Reflections on Loss, Growth & Staying Solid

• Raw honesty about confronting career “what ifs”:

  “I just wish I would have focused more on music, you know what I’m saying?” (Cease, 52:37)

• Brotherhood over business:

  “When C’s want to fuck with us, he gonna come back around. He know the door always open, bro.” (Memphis Bleek, 35:54)

10. Current Moves & What’s Next

• Upcoming documentary:

  “I’m working on this documentary called From a Young G’s Perspective...from the day I got introduced into music, into where I’m at now.” (Cease, 81:00)

• Next album:

  “I got...The Heart of the City. You know, Big was the King of New York, and he always called me his heart. So I'm the heart of the city.” (Cease, 81:39)

• Live shows overseas and the Frank White Experience, possibly a live album.

  “I was like, come on, man. I’mma see if I get y’all overseas. And they bit. We went over there for a whole month...” (Cease, 83:32)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Brooklyn’s rawness:

  “Once you go outside, the world is as small as a dog.” (Memphis Bleek, 13:42)

• On authenticity:

  “Integrity and authenticity is always gonna last. Because when lies run out, the rhymes run out.” (Memphis Bleek, 29:27)

• On Biggie’s impact & rap skills:

  "He was like, my most well rounded rapper...he was in every space." (Cease, 76:55–78:25)

• On the old vs. new music industry:

  “If it's getting you out the neighborhood and feeding your family...I don't care what you doing. You ain't robbing nobody...just do your thing, eat.” (Cease, 45:37)

• On the best double albums:

  “It’s only two double albums that don’t feel like too much...Life After Death and All Eyez On Me.” (Memphis Bleek, 71:34)

• On loss:

  “Nothing touched me like B.I., bro...I cried like that was my brother or something, because y’all were my brothers.” (Memphis Bleek, 34:50)

• On age and outgrowing the game:

  “You know what old means to me? Outliving dummies.” (Cease, 92:33)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [04:50] — Cease on stepping up for Biggie’s family
• [06:45] — Surreal come-up: from the block to Soundtrack Studios
• [10:15] — Biggie’s leadership and blueprint for Junior MAFIA
• [12:20] — The “template” for rap crews today
• [17:33] — The “I Love the Dough” skit urban legend
• [28:07] — Cease writes his first rhyme for Kelly Price feature
• [29:27] — On authenticity: “Integrity...will always last.”
• [54:18] — Before the drama: Tupac & Biggie were ‘fam’
• [55:31] — The media’s role in the East-West Coast narrative
• [81:00] — Upcoming documentary ‘From a Young G’s Perspective’
• [81:39] — New album ‘Heart of the City’ announced
• [83:32] — Touring with the Frank White Band overseas
• [86:37] — Music industry renewed after COVID

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Closing Thoughts and Tone

The episode is unfiltered—loyal, nostalgic, honest, and laced with survivor wisdom and classic jokes. Both Bleek and Cease keep it 100% Roc solid, moving between laughter, realness, and hard-earned lessons. The stories told, especially about the early days, the legends, and the business, are reminders of hip-hop’s heart and brotherhood. The message is clear: stay authentic, support your people, respect the grind, and know when to evolve.

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For listeners new and old, this episode offers a masterclass in hip-hop history, culture, and personal growth—straight from those who lived it.

Transcript

[Cease]

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[Cease]

All?

[Memphis Bleak]

This your main man? Memphis Bleak, right here. Welcome to Rock Solid, a production of iHeartRadio and the Black Effect Network in partnership with my guys over at Drink Champs. Big whipping. Yeah, Memphis, I'm back at it. Notice the difference. Just more grown Prezi, no stones. You already know what it is. Your show M. Grizzy back with another motherfucking edition of Rock Solid. And you know I got my bro with me. It's Brooklyn. You already know. He a legend. He doing what he do.

[Cease]

Respect.

[Memphis Bleak]

We started in the game around the same age. Listen, he hung with my favorite rapper. Jay is my bro, but Jay, I love, you know, bi is my favorite, you know what I'm saying? So I gotta welcome my bro Cease. To the motherfuckin building. You already know what it is, my brother.

[Cease]

Love. I'm a get low brother. You know what I'm saying?

[Memphis Bleak]

That's right. The real Get Low.

[Cease]

We're gonna talk about that. Yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

My man.

[Cease]

What's up, man? Chilling, man.

[Memphis Bleak]

I seen you out there in Jamaica doing your thing, man.

[Cease]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was out there with. With big kids. That's what's up. Shout out to Tiana, cj, Shan, Tyler.

[Memphis Bleak]

You know, I never met. I never met big kids.

[Cease]

Get the out of here.

[Memphis Bleak]

Never.

[Cease]

Never met cj, Tiana.

[Memphis Bleak]

Never.

[Cease]

All right, come on, then. We gotta make that happen.

[Memphis Bleak]

Never, bro. I'll be seeing you. I respect how you hold them down. You like the big unk. You know that they need the guidance that they need to make sure they ain't crashing out and wilding out. So I respect from afar. You know, I never told you, but I'd rather tell you now.

[Cease]

No doubt.

[Memphis Bleak]

I respect how you hold that down.

[Cease]

Appreciate that.

[Memphis Bleak]

Appreciate that. What made you step into that role?

[Cease]

To me, it wasn't even like stepping into a role. It was just something that's just like, you know, where we come from. Yeah, it's kind of like, mandatory, you know what I mean? You know, when Big passed away, I was about to turn 18. You know what I mean? So that wasn't like. That was something that was. That, like, yo, I'm gonna make sure, you know, I do this and do that. It was just something that just comes with the territory. Like, yo, that's. Bro. He got two kids out here. She was only like, three at that time, I think. And his son was only like, seven months. Six months. Wow. So it was like, you know, at the end of the day, I'm like, I want to keep that attachment to Big. Cause this is what he left here. That's right outside of his mom, you know what I mean? You know, his grandma's, his family. Yeah. Rip to Ms. Wallace, too. So that was just something that kind of just came. Like. It's natural. It's like. You know what I mean? Like, yo, I gotta be here. You know what?

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, I gotta be there.

[Cease]

My boy ain'. But look, his little son. I gotta make sure. He gotta know who I am. He gotta know who Junior MAFIA is and things like that.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's right.

[Cease]

And me and his daughter, we Both Leo. She August 10th. I'm August 20th. You know what I mean?

[Memphis Bleak]

So y' all got birthdays coming up, man.

[Cease]

We going out the country again.

[Memphis Bleak]

Cancer season just finishing. We'll let the Leos do they thing.

[Cease]

No doubt. You know what I'm saying? Leo, child, man. Lions, man. Lion heart, baby.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yo, I'm gonna go back in the day. This is before I even. I even knew you. I saw you in Marcy. I think this was like, 95. This is right when y'. All. My. Y' all was killing everything. Riding through Brooklyn. Big Land Cruisers everywhere. Everywhere y' all went. And it was Marcy Day 95. And y' all pulled up to the hood on Myrtle and no strength with the homies from the other. My bros. From the other. Turtle.

[Cease]

Turtle. Yeah, yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

You know what I mean? All the black and all of them.

[Cease]

Yeah. Shout out to my brother Turtle, man.

[Memphis Bleak]

And I remember, word up. I remember sitting there being like, damn, this how it feel when niggas get on. They crushing my G. So I just want to know what was your mind state just in. In the ride you was on, bro, on the whole Junior MAFIA movement, man.

[Cease]

Like, I mean, you know, for me, it was. We didn't expect that, bro. You know what I'm saying? Come on.

[Memphis Bleak]

You know, like, trying to tell these kids we didn't prepare for it the.

[Cease]

Way kids in the new generation talk about how they saw their time coming and, you know, they, like. They knew this was gonna happen. That was gonna happen. Yeah. Because everything that they have today to their advantage now. No, us in our time. Nah, it was, you stinging crack rock or you got a wicked jump shot. You. That's, you know, that's all we. Nothing else we did. Oh, we broke. We broke down on the block, right?

[Memphis Bleak]

That's it.

[Cease]

When you have cell phones, you had to really use that wire and take through your whole house.

[Memphis Bleak]

You had to wait on that.

[Cease]

Yeah, you gotta wait on that call.

[Memphis Bleak]

To get that number out and be like, nah, nobody used this phone. I'm waiting on a call.

[Cease]

And keeping coins in your pocket just in case you gotta throw a dime or a quarter of that motherfucker.

[Memphis Bleak]

Shit, back in the day when we was on the block, remember, you had to keep a calling card just in case your ass went book.

[Cease]

No doubt.

[Memphis Bleak]

Straight up that those was the days.

[Cease]

But that shit was just, you know, it was. It was something we didn't expect when, you know, like, you know, when Big start getting on. We didn't think it was gonna get to that level. You know, we all knew he was dope. You know, the word was spreading around and, you know, through the bubble and shit. So it's like, okay. Once he got a record deal, it was like, all right, smooth. You know, this shit dope. You know, it's taking us out the streets. You know what I mean? We going to Soundtrack Studios now. Chung King and he doing shit with Super Cats, you know what I mean? Oh, that was, you know, Heavy D, he doing with Mary J, the Real Love. So it's like, all right, cool. And then got Ready to Die, man. Like, when he dropped that Juicy, then that's when I was just like, oh.

[Memphis Bleak]

I ain't gonna front. Y' all niggas brought Brooklyn alive, bro. Y', all, bro. It was a different time when that Ready to Die dropped. It was a different time. My. Like, y', all.

[Cease]

That's where I was running shit then.

[Memphis Bleak]

Hell, yeah.

[Cease]

They was, like, on some big. On some big level shit.

[Memphis Bleak]

Like, really, like the west coast, period. It's running everything.

[Cease]

Like, yeah, shit on Smash.

[Memphis Bleak]

We had our groups that was doing making noise. Like, hey, you gotta always give respect to epmd.

[Cease]

Oh, yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

They was putting up. They was doing.

[Cease]

They woo came out before, so you had Woo too. Like, it was there.

[Memphis Bleak]

West coast was fucking putting up numbers like no other. And then when the Bad Boys movement came, y' all Niggas just shifted it back to the East. And the tension, it was like, damn. And I knew. I'm like, I know, bro. Like, I know it feel like. I remember we did a show one time when you in Connecticut, and this was when Big, After Big hurt his leg, you pushed him out in the wheelchair and y' all shut it down. And I'm even sitting there like this, like, damn. My. Like, remember, this was when Jay was on the come up, so we wasn't really eating.

[Cease]

All.

[Memphis Bleak]

We was still trying to get there.

[Cease]

Yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

And y' all niggas was shutting shit down, man. We. I was just happy to be there. So I always wanted to ask you, what was it like, just even hanging with Big, like a studio session, any of that shit?

[Cease]

I mean, look at it like this. It's like. That's like me asking you how it is Bebo. Like, hanging out with hov when it's deli or the hov before the hov that people know today. Like, before he was on, before he was popping.

[Memphis Bleak]

I'm gonna tell you now. It's Aladdin's carpet. Nah.

[Cease]

Yeah, that's crazy. Straight up. Ye.

[Memphis Bleak]

It's like, you like, yo, let me hold your car. And they just lend you a lion's carpet, and you just. That's how life been. So I. I could just imagine y' all had the era when it was no cameras, no cell phones, no social media, nothing. And y' all had that error, so.

[Cease]

Nah, B. I was fun, man. Bi. He was a. You know, he was a real one. You know what I'm saying? He was real. His whole thing was, you know, if I can get right, I'm gonna try to get everybody else in position. And he literally did that. His first album came out in 1994. Junior mafia came out 1995. That's a fact. Like, you know, like, all right.

[Memphis Bleak]

And I bought both of those albums. Yeah, I think it was on some mad.

[Cease]

He recognized. He. He was smart enough to recognize, like, the growth where he was going, you know? I mean, he was like, oh, I could really just run this. You know what? This little don't rap. But I'm gonna write him some shit. You know what? If they buying into my shit, they gonna definitely buy into this shit here.

[Memphis Bleak]

So you never even wanted to be a rapper?

[Cease]

Nah, I was cool with just hanging, bro. Like, I love the music, though. Like, as, you know, as a young kid. That's all we had, though, you know what I'm saying? Like, we buying batteries for radios and shit. You Walk around, ladies. Yeah. All day in the basement. Like, you know, when they open up, the bottom. Yeah. We go down there. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

[Memphis Bleak]

Real basement.

[Cease]

Yeah. So. And growing up like that, you just never, you know, you young. You don't never think how other. Other rappers, how they. How they grew up. So you coming from this, you don't think you gonna make it that far. So to watch him go. To watch us go from doing 300 people, you know what I'm saying, to 500 people, you know? I mean, then Juicy come out. We 1500 people. Yo, we doing theaters now, you know, Ain't no more clubs. Big Papa come out.

[Memphis Bleak]

Oh, my God.

[Cease]

Now we all right. Little arena. Yeah, all right. You know, Arena. It's just. It's the bottom, then one more chance come out now, you know, it's over. Yeah. We in the garden there. You know, you just watch the growth. And it's like, for us, it's like, no, we were still us, you know, we still Brooklyn.

[Memphis Bleak]

I was out in the tunnel every time.

[Cease]

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? That's why.

[Memphis Bleak]

It's like. That's why I always just wanted to know what was your experience? Cause even just now, you just blew my mind that you didn't even want to be a rapper. Big just like, fuck it, yo. I'm a write for him. Y' all niggas came out and destroyed shit.

[Cease]

I stood up how he did it, too. That's straight up how he did it. Yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

Then you got Little Kim came on and just straight monster it. Like, when you think of rap crews today, a lot of rap crews, they are structured the way Bad boy. I ain't gonna say bad boy. The way Big structured. Junior mafia.

[Cease]

Yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

It's the head honcho, the little homie that's gonna hold it down. And then I got my rider Dodge.

[Cease]

Yeah. The Lieutenant. Yeah. Straight up type of shit. Yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

So I know you got to feel some type of pride to know, man. It's a lot of Junior mafias out here, man.

[Cease]

No doubt.

[Memphis Bleak]

Put that.

[Cease]

Hell, yeah. Cause, I mean. And, you know, I'm prideful and I'm happy because he did all that before he was 24 years old. You know what I mean, bro, he was. He was. He was on to something, like, super early, you know what I'm saying? Like, really just trying to put people in position. And he did, you know, to know after, you know, after him passing, you know. You know, I just came straight from the streets and shot every video for us.

[Memphis Bleak]

Damn.

[Cease]

Without being. You know, this was straight up the block, hustling. Yeah. And he learned. He learned how to just get behind the camera and shoot videos. And he did every video.

[Memphis Bleak]

It's crazy. You know, I never met on get.

[Cease]

The out of here.

[Memphis Bleak]

Never.

[Cease]

That's right. Never in all I. All that history, right? Yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

You feel me? And I never. Never saw him.

[Cease]

But that's some Brooklyn, though. Like, you know, for that. That's how used to happen. You try to voice it like that from being. But being there. Everybody knows somebody that knows somebody.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's how. Yo, that's what I tell niggas. Once you go outside, the world is as small as a dog.

[Cease]

Yeah, small as.

[Memphis Bleak]

So we big. The niggas win the crib. Yeah, that's it.

[Cease]

Especially in our world, too. We all do music. It ain't like our whole neighborhood do it, right.

[Memphis Bleak]

I remember my first crib I got, bro, was in Leonia, New Jersey. Right?

[Cease]

Yeah. We was out there.

[Memphis Bleak]

This on, God. My first night in my crib. I go to the 711 on the block.

[Cease]

Yeah, yeah. When I'm seeing. They'll see the. Yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

Most popping 7 11. So that's a fact. I go in there, mob deep in the store with all they homies. Remember? This is when the drama was on. So I'm like, damn. All right, Let me go see what's up. It wasn't nothing. They show mad love. I'm getting what I needed to get. I'm leaving. Y' all pulled up. I'm like, yo, this rapper central. Why y' all get the out of here? I like these, but I want to live around these.

[Cease]

T Neck was like. It was like the mini hood of rappers.

[Memphis Bleak]

Like, yeah, if you made any amount of money in rap, you went over.

[Cease]

To George Washington, moved the T neck.

[Memphis Bleak]

And y' all had the cribs with the elevators in it. Yeah, y' all was stunned, though.

[Cease]

Shout out to. We was in Glen Point, man.

[Memphis Bleak]

I was jealous.

[Cease]

I was sitting in the hood.

[Memphis Bleak]

Cause, remember, I came to the crib one day with Jay. He was kicking it with Big. Me and you went out smoking, but me and you, you was talking. I don't even remember what you said that day, but I'm looking like this. Living in the crib with elevators in it. They got the Land Cruisers outside with the Eddie Power leather. And I'm going back to Marcy after this. Something. No, I gotta get my shit together. Something ain't right.

[Cease]

Word. And that's crazy you said that. Cause I like. You know, when you try to tell people about, like, stories and shit like that. I'm like, yo, like, beyond. Ho really kicked it.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yes.

[Cease]

Like. Like, them two records, like, not on that type of. But that wasn't the only intent. Like, nah, they looked like no. And even after Big Dog ho still kept it a buck like that. That's right. Me and Kim and. And the whole team got our crib in Inglewood. Just pull up there all day. Pull up there. Pull up there all day. Anytime we doing any events, he come and pull him to the crib. Sitting in the back with a durag on. Really awesome shit like that. And people, you know, I don't think he'd get enough of that because. Because I guess he had this, like, you know, pedestal. Now people forget that he was. He was a nigga first. He was there.

[Memphis Bleak]

Project nigga. Yeah.

[Cease]

He's still at. Yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

Don't understand. Like, he's billionaire ho to them. But when he see me and he around me, that is 5:34, no doubt. He talking major shit. Seen me in Vegas and told me, you saw you ain't outside you. So I'm like, nigga, I just walked three blocks from here and walked. You probably flew on the helicopter here.

[Cease]

And came right here.

[Memphis Bleak]

I want to be like you then.

[Cease]

Yeah, that's the love.

[Memphis Bleak]

But nah, man, that shit is so like, Jay and Big relationship was different. Cause I remember when they did I love the Doe, right when they first did I love the do's. It was this car wash in Brooklyn that Jay used to always take the range to. It was downtown, right? And it's so ironic. This is where he put the Barclays at. Cause it was right there on Flatbush Avenue.

[Cease]

Oh, yeah, I know what you're talking about.

[Memphis Bleak]

Straight right there. Right there.

[Cease]

Yeah. It used to be a car wash over there.

[Memphis Bleak]

He came and picked me up. He like, yo, I want you to listen to this record and give me your honest opinion. And the nigga played I love the dough. And all you hear is, ah, yo, two for five. Yo, Betty, honey, honey, tonight I gotta see nigga, you. I was like, my Brooklyn style.

[Cease]

Oh, I'm gonna tell you something.

[Memphis Bleak]

Was y' all really shooting dice during that skit?

[Cease]

Nah, we really just did that skit. But you want to hear something even crazier?

[Memphis Bleak]

Go ahead.

[Cease]

This is all rock solid. Yeah, everybody thinks that was me.

[Memphis Bleak]

I swear to God, I think I thought that.

[Cease]

That was not me. Bro, you lying. That's. That's Angeletti. That's D dot. Yo, you fucking doing that. I Guess people think because he said, I got a C. Yes, but it sounds like.

[Memphis Bleak]

I know we talking about a honey. Yeah, I got a C. Like some.

[Cease]

People was thinking like, yo, everybody to this day think that's me. That is not me.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yo, that's crazy on that intro.

[Cease]

That's why when you sit, I'm like, yo, I swear, I gotta tell my boy right now.

[Memphis Bleak]

Nah, it's cool. I took that credit. Yeah, that's me, D. He done became the mad rapper again after this.

[Cease]

But I can't even do that with nothing. So it's like, with me, I just like, yo, just keep.

[Memphis Bleak]

Keep it a buck. We just. You know what I'm saying? He's got the homie, too. He never gave me a beat, but he always had that.

[Cease]

That Smoke him, Nashim. Yeah, Buck was that. Yeah, Buck was that. Shout out to Buck.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yo, Stevie J, too. I don't want to start no beef right?

[Cease]

But, you know, I thought.

[Memphis Bleak]

Wasn't Stevie J name Hitmaker?

[Cease]

Nah, he was part of the. He was part of that crew, though.

[Memphis Bleak]

Oh, the whole crew name?

[Cease]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The whole crew was hit maker. So that was all them, yo.

[Memphis Bleak]

Wow, dude, man.

[Cease]

Yes, dog.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yo, Stevie J. A. Wow, dude. I never met Stevie J neither.

[Cease]

Yeah, see, yo. Cause you know why? Back in our time, everything was very like.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, you was clicked up.

[Cease]

You was fucking with somebody back then. Then that's when you're like, all right, we see each other. It's like, imma give it up. That's my Stevie.

[Memphis Bleak]

Got some drama produced in that record for ho. I heard puffing was pissed when he was like, I'm rolling with Rockefeller. Them niggas got money.

[Cease]

See, look, it wasn't that. You know what I mean? Like, he wasn't.

[Memphis Bleak]

You know, he was just on some shit.

[Cease]

He was the production squad.

[Memphis Bleak]

He was on some shit.

[Cease]

He. He wasn't on St. James and, you know, like that with us type of like. No, no, but he was one of the. You know, he was one of the hitmen that came in there. You know, he's. He's still sick with it, too. Like, talent wise, production wise. Oh, yeah, man.

[Memphis Bleak]

That Stevie J got hits. He made a mark in this game. Mario Juanas just gave me super smoke for my last project.

[Cease]

Yeah, word up.

[Memphis Bleak]

You got that smoke.

[Cease]

That boy did. Yeah, that boy different, man.

[Memphis Bleak]

I'm telling you. Y' all been built a whole regime in this, like Kim that went and had a glorious, marvelous career, you and yourself done. That's another thing. Why you only drop one album Seems like. And your album was crazy. My. Like your first album was fire. My word.

[Cease]

Nobody never asked me that. Right. You know, when I. When Big was here, Big was like jotting on me. You know, he's putting all that together for me. You know what I'm saying? I was a straight entertainment movie who.

[Memphis Bleak]

He was doing it. Oh, Big.

[Cease]

Yeah. So Shane was like, you know what if I write you some shit, if you can recite it, right. Gonna fuck with it. I'm sorry.

[Memphis Bleak]

Hell yeah.

[Cease]

But I was rocking with him a year before that, so he's already schooling me to that. You know, the sort of stage presence and sitting around and sitting in interviews with him. I'm learning how to of. You know, talking interviews and answer questions. So, you know, I was. So he like, all you need now is okay if you could pull this off. We good. Yeah. And he put me around a bunch of rappers. I even know like majority of the Junior Mafia, they rap. You know what I'm saying? God bless the dead. My boy Chico, you know, you got bang, got trife, all them rap. You know what I mean?

[Memphis Bleak]

Klepto, RP Bristow. Y' all stole my guy. That was my guy.

[Cease]

No, I didn't.

[Memphis Bleak]

Me and Bristol, we were supposed to.

[Cease]

Be a group, man.

[Memphis Bleak]

Me and Bristow was supposed to be a group. We had a deal on the table. And the next thing I know, he like, yo, I'm Junior mafia. Like, huh? Like, he ain't here no more. But that's my bro. I said, come on. We too had to talk to me out here. I used to always tell him, niggas left me for Dolo. Niggas left me out here for solo.

[Cease]

That's crazy.

[Memphis Bleak]

I was happy to see my dog link up with family, though.

[Cease]

You know what I'm saying?

[Memphis Bleak]

Like, he went and with. We ain't with. So it was always love, man. I was sad to see bro go like that.

[Cease]

You know what I'm saying? That sent me back. I just had. I was just about to move here.

[Memphis Bleak]

No way.

[Cease]

When he was sick. He was sick for a few years. Yeah. And just wasn't saying nothing. You know what I mean?

[Memphis Bleak]

That's how I lie. That's how is.

[Cease]

He was just staying strong too. He was still recording records, shooting videos. You know. That was like. I think that was like. It's comfort but, you know, super laid back, quiet, chill and always down to work. That's always his passion. Was that like, let's go music, dog. Yeah. That go anywhere. That studio could be in in the basement and fabricate projects. He's going. He like, all right, let's go.

[Memphis Bleak]

We had a deal on the table, bro. My before I signed the Rockefeller solo, hov wanted to sign me and Bristow as a group. That's W. And nobody know that. Cause we never said it. Because he went and did the deal with y'.

[Cease]

All.

[Memphis Bleak]

And then I just ended up doing.

[Cease]

And I ain't know Brist until. And I ain't know Bris until like. Like maybe like the beginning of 99. Cause he came around. Yeah, bang. Brought him to the house.

[Memphis Bleak]

My man. I met him through Beehive. Yeah, I met him through my manager, Biha. Biha was outside, man, I ain't go front. Beehi was a manager that was in the streets. Yo, I go front. He used to know, yo, everybody be like, yo, this is my man. This is my man from over here. I need to link up.

[Cease]

Them niggas that be outside, be the ones that they go anywhere. He be like, yo, come with me over here, yo. Yo, right, okay. You like, yo, how the fuck you. How the fuck you know these people over here? Yo, come on, we're going to the Bronx. We going over here.

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[Memphis Bleak]

Back to my question. Why you only drop one album?

[Cease]

So right. So after Big did that that, you know, I was like, you know what, I gotta figure this out. You know what I'm saying, like, because when he was doing my. He wasn't doing. He wasn't taking no bread for me. So I'm like, now? Yeah. I need, like, what I'm gonna do now. He's gonna do my old Puppy Love album. So I'm like, you know what? I want to continue to still do it. Yeah. Because I gotta do that for him. And I'm like, and the first time to where I. I. When I learned how to jot down, Kelly Price hit me. She was like, I want you to. You get on my album. And I was like. She was like, how much you want? I was like, nah, I do. Because she was on the Bad boy, too. I said, I'll do it for free for you, you know? She was like, I want to give you some. I was like, I'll do it for free. Just when I work on my. Just send me back. Yeah. And she was like, you know, I'll give you. Give you 5K.

[Memphis Bleak]

I was, fine.

[Cease]

You got to give me nothing. But, you know, and this is 98.

[Memphis Bleak]

It's like 20k right now.

[Cease]

Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

[Memphis Bleak]

5K.

[Cease]

You got a real budget. And this time. So I'm like, all right. That's what you want to give me? Cool. Yeah. So now I'm sitting with that. With the five. Like, who gonna write this for me? I'm like, dang, I need this five.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, I got it.

[Cease]

Everything he taught me about, you know. Yo, it ain't about what you say, it's how you say it. You know what I'm saying? He was like, yo, just flow it like this so you can do it like this. So everything he was teaching me, that was my first rhyme I wrote.

[Memphis Bleak]

No way was the Kelly Price feature.

[Cease]

Yeah, it's two eight bars in that shit. And I went and played it for the whole crib. Kim Money L. The first thing, they all was like, you wrote that?

[Memphis Bleak]

No way.

[Cease]

Yeah. And it was like fire. So after that, you know what that was? That's the battery. Yeah. I'm like, okay, All I gotta do is this. So now, when Kim had got a deal, I was like, all right, you know, I'm do this project. And then after I did the project, it ain't do what it's supposed to do. But, you know, it got his props, though. Yeah, yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

Like, everybody think.

[Cease]

Love it.

[Memphis Bleak]

Everybody think numbers mean. So numbers mean you going to make some money. But at the end of the day, it's a lot of albums that did numbers that people don't respect. And there's a lot of albums that didn't do numbers that are certified classics in people life that you can't tell them nothing about.

[Cease]

They say albums like that keep you a job. That's right. You ain't got to sell records. But. But if they. If somebody know you could bring them back something good and something dope, you go. They gonna always bet on you if you can make good music.

[Memphis Bleak]

I bought that album, Maji. Even though your album cover was. You was 7:30 for that picture.

[Cease]

I was trying to have fun. Nobody wanted nobody. Nobody. And that was me. Yeah. Because that. That was all. Everything that Big was telling me about. He was like, just a loud. Yeah, you. You ain't. You ain't. I don't want you to be that type of on the block and.

[Memphis Bleak]

But that's what the rap game is. A lot of these dudes go off images and try to portray something that they not. And that's why one thing hov always said to me, be yourself. Integrity and authenticity is always gonna last. Because when lies run out, the rhymes run out and that shit always stuff.

[Cease]

That's a fact. That's a fact.

[Memphis Bleak]

You know what I mean? When you ain't no more lies to town.

[Cease]

That's right. Yeah. What you gonna write about and tell your. And just be you.

[Memphis Bleak]

Exactly.

[Cease]

So that was me. So after that, after I did my album, it's just a lot of things that happened us amongst the. You know, amongst the family. Yeah. You know, I mean, like, I ain't gonna know if they wanted to do another album. And, you know, the Hot 97 happened. You know, I mean, y'. All. When on Martin Avenue happened. Yeah. Now it's, you know, we.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, y' all went through some shit.

[Cease]

You know what I'm saying? Like, a lot of life is still. Because we still. We still was attached to. Yeah. It's like, yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

I still had to move and represent the legacy at the same time.

[Cease]

Yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

So, yeah, I already know that. This game, that's what a lot of people I be trying to tell, like these new artists when they be trying to get on. And I'm like, yo, fam, this game is not a light switch.

[Cease]

Yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

There's no on and off switch. Once it's on, there's no turning it off.

[Cease]

Yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

So it's either. It's either two things people gonna say to you in this business if you. If you kill are like, yo, you a legend. God, I respect you.

[Cease]

Yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

If it go the opposite way, only thing you're Gonna hear is, yo, what happened? Yeah, yo. Yo, what happened, fam? Yo, you was with the y'. All.

[Cease]

Yeah, I was over what happened.

[Memphis Bleak]

And. And that's one question I ran from my whole life. I never want niggas to ask me what happened. I always tried to make sure imma stand up and hold it down on my own because I came in like you. J wrote Coming to age one and two for me. So people always think because I say that, that he wrote everything.

[Cease]

Yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

I would not be here if that was the case with me. I'd have been back on the bench.

[Cease]

And you just did the album now. Yeah. He ain't sitting there. He ain't sitting here dropping your shit down.

[Memphis Bleak]

He ain't have no time. Back then. He was still trying to make sure he was on bi level.

[Cease]

Yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

Cause you don't know. Yo, bi was J measuristic, bro. Pause. Like, every time B. I dropped Jay in that studio like this.

[Cease]

Yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

He was the motivator for ho. Like, they was boys, but I think they pushed each other, man.

[Cease]

Yeah, you could be in competition, but the competition gonna bring out the best in us. You know what I'm saying? Like.

[Memphis Bleak]

Like, you know them had plans. Like that Commissioner album, All that was. People think it was fake, man.

[Cease]

All my gotten everything, I felt like that was part for me to. To. To go. Yeah. Like, it was like all that I did that album to. To fulfill that. That mission. You know what I'm saying? And I ain't think it was going. I didn't think I was. I was going to be able to do that. I didn't think I was going to be able to. Of course I was confident, but I didn't think it was going to be something to where, like, you know, like, yo, nah, bro. Your was. And I'm like, word. Yeah, with that. Because I did that. You know what I mean? Like, and one thing I was always, you know, I was around it, dog. You know, like. Like, you ain't gonna never stop making no book. You can't make no music. I know you know, the you around, you just. You know what it is.

[Memphis Bleak]

It ain't even only that, man. What I tell people. I heard two pieces of advice about music in my life. One from one of my homies in the hood. Always told me, only corny niggas make corny music. So number one, we ain't a corn. Ain't nothing n ever did corn. They all rats. My step pops.

[Cease]

No doubt.

[Memphis Bleak]

There's only two types of music in the world Good and not good. So either you can gonna make something good or that just not good.

[Cease]

No doubt.

[Memphis Bleak]

And that's it, bro. You know what I'm saying?

[Cease]

So I knew, I knew it, you know, I knew it was, you know, I was like, it's cool, but, you know, it's always that in your mind, you know what I'm saying? And I wanted to do another one, like, right away, like, you know what I'm saying? But, you know, all that, you know, everything was just had. Life was life. And, you know, that's the first. I'm gonna step back to that first no matter what, because I was feel like this was. Wasn't, you know. Yeah, was this for me, you know, I mean, and then. And it's like, you know, going on my mom's and, you know, your family and like. So I just chilled for a minute. All that happened with us, we couldn't really, like, you know. And I was used to working a certain way. I was used to, you know, having that at the fam. The bar. That's how we. And once all that kind of like, went like this wheel. I'm like, ah, damn. You know, what the do I do from there. But I was still so still, you know, I was still working and figuring it out, you know what I'm saying? Yo, that's how I ease your way. Come on, man.

[Memphis Bleak]

Nah, I feel you Hip hop, right? We dealt with a lot of losses in hip hop. You know, I watched a lot of. A lot of people die that, you know, sometimes these young artists, I be reading the news like, such and such died. And this person died, you know, just listening to their music, knowing their lifestyle. That should hit you. It'd be like, damn, I feel like I know homie, like. And that should make you feel away. But nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing. Touch me like bi, bro.

[Cease]

No doubt.

[Memphis Bleak]

I never forget where I was the day I heard it. My nigga. I cried like that was my brother or something, because y' all were my brothers.

[Cease]

Yeah, no doubt.

[Memphis Bleak]

I know. We be in the studio, we come to the crib. I remember Tyler B. At the Apollo show. Yo, my. When I get my album budget, I need you on my album. And he told me, yeah.

[Cease]

I swear to God, I know. He said like, no doubt.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, come on, bleak. I got you. And I was like, oh, man, I can't wait. Yo, ho, stop playing. Give me my budget. I gotta get my off.

[Cease]

That's program, you know what I'm saying? Like, he. Nah, that hit. We homies look like you know what I'm saying?

[Memphis Bleak]

Like, bro, like, I. I cried my. So when. Like, when you saying, yo, I came to the home team, like, when we were supposed to do that Get Low deal, that wasn't about no music to me. That wasn't about no money, no doubt. Whatever you wanted to do, we would have done.

[Cease]

Yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

And that's why I never put no pressure on you when didn't happen. Because I. Like you said, life. Lifes.

[Cease]

Yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

So you know, I was always on something. When C's want to with us, he gonna come back around. He know the door always open, bro. That one two y'. All. We did.

[Cease]

Oh, my. Come on, man. And what's the other man? Do it all again on the.

[Memphis Bleak]

On the Made album. Yeah, you got two features on that album.

[Cease]

You did the. Come and get me with me. You and Bleak.

[Memphis Bleak]

Me, your beans.

[Cease]

Yeah, Me, you and beans. And yeah, like, come on, bro. I'm.

[Memphis Bleak]

I mean, we was working. I was with it.

[Cease]

That wasn't even like, no question. You know what I'm saying? You know, I was down with that, but I came around when all that.

[Memphis Bleak]

Shit was going on, it didn't matter, man. We still was with the team. It was going down, but it wasn't going down on our side. That was the other side.

[Cease]

Nah, dawg, you was safe. Nah, I was cool. But I. But it was. I'm just like, yo, remember one time I hit you? I'm. I'm like, yo, Dame told me. Dame hit my phone, yo. It's like, yo, come to the one for Petey Crack Video. And I just had met them start.

[Memphis Bleak]

Fucking with Cracking them.

[Cease]

So I'm with y'. All. So I'm thinking, like, all right, right. This all like the team. So if niggas hit me, I'm like, oh, I'mma go pull up. Yeah, you called my phone, yo, who hit you to come up there? I said, dame told me to come up there. Don't go up there yet. I was like, yo, but I ain't ask you that.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's crazy crack, my man. Like, I. With all of them. So, yeah, that's how you know. It was probably some with Dang man like back then, but it definitely was major, major smoke. It was definitely Harlem, Brooklyn at that time. And that's why.

[Cease]

Yeah, that's what. So I. So me coming in, you know, for my situation with my crew, this is that I'm just like, all right, but nah, I was. I was. I'm team. That's how the situation got presented to me. It was through you.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah.

[Cease]

And I'm like, oh, yeah, of course. My, like.

[Memphis Bleak]

Son.

[Cease]

Jesus. Yo, all right, let's go. I'm with it.

[Memphis Bleak]

Gina K is borderline junior mafia.

[Cease]

Yeah, that's Nino cousin, though.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, I know. So you know he been junior mafia before Big Low was even born. G used to be at the shows with, y' all know, like, come back to the hood, like. Yeah, I was out on the road. My cousin and them doing this, you know, season them. They had the joints. Yeah, they had the. He'd be like, man, got no in there.

[Cease]

We just had all these, you know. That mouth was crazy, though.

[Memphis Bleak]

You know, Gina will fucking. Yo, that's why I be. I'll be mad that he didn't become a streamer. Like, you know, I like the casa knots and them yelling at me.

[Cease]

He'll definitely be one of those for sure.

[Memphis Bleak]

Oh, my God.

[Cease]

Right now, if he was like that now, like, how you live. What?

[Memphis Bleak]

Yo, nobody came in with Cheetah, no one.

[Cease]

First one I heard to say Big style, he stopped calling it best style.

[Memphis Bleak]

He's like, yo, big style all day. He still say that?

[Cease]

Yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

To this day. He's not gonna ever change. It's Big Stuyvesant Vegeta K. That's one.

[Cease]

Of my favorite records we did with him, man. That Do it all again joint. That was my shit, man.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, man. Gita, man. That's my bro.

[Cease]

I know. Yeah. I ain't take that. No, bro, it wasn't even that. It was just like things was happening. Ain't like you told me, like, yo, bro, this can't be. Or I told you that. It was just like. It was just going on, like. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. It wasn't like I was like, nah. Because I was. We was ready to go. And then it just kind of like, all right. And I seem to throw this going on, and, you know, I mean, it was going on with me, too.

[Memphis Bleak]

But then they clipped me, too, so. Don't. Don't. I said you would say I wasn't even safe. They just threw us out. Me and the gunners. They threw us out. They put that five, three, four out. They put Gunners. Tough what? Brotherly love or tough love. After that, it was like, listen, we got J. Cole, we got Rihanna. We got y' all old niggas.

[Cease]

Budgets is closed up, dog. It's business.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, see, I respect it. It's business, cuz. I did it to myself, too. You old and you old.

[Cease]

Yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

These new, young. Look at what J. Cole did.

[Cease]

Man, for sure.

[Memphis Bleak]

I moved out the way from cold willingly.

[Cease]

Especially if I already did mine too. You know what I mean? You know, that's one thing how we live today. I'm not out here. We don't have. I'm not out here. We not out here trying to compete with nobody, bro.

[Memphis Bleak]

And I don't want to be the old in the young boy way.

[Cease]

Yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

Like yo, I'm cool, bro. It had been weird. Like think about it. If we was coming up and like Slick Rick or Rakim and them still was like, nah, Young, look out, we got this. He'd have been on some damn og. Let us live.

[Cease]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

So that's how I feel.

[Cease]

No doubt.

[Memphis Bleak]

Now if we, you know, it's like they let the young, the young boys live.

[Cease]

Let them live, let them rock.

[Memphis Bleak]

They be critiquing the young boys music like yo, let the young boys live. They out here wild. Let them wow. They get paid to wow.

[Cease]

Yeah, let them have fun.

[Memphis Bleak]

We ain't get paid to win.

[Cease]

We dog, we hug, but we bust our ass for hours.

[Memphis Bleak]

We went to jail.

[Cease]

Yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

If we wowed out. Yeah, we went to jail. Think about it. We got in the music to stop wilding.

[Cease]

No doubt.

[Memphis Bleak]

These got in the music to go 0 to 100.

[Cease]

Yeah. To bug out now. Yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

Different.

[Cease]

But they got that in front of them, you know what I'm saying? See, we ain't have that in front of us. So you know, I mean like you was really straight off based off just your just you alone, you. When you pull up, it's all about you. Your morals, your integrity. Like you know, we had to show up. Like ah. You know what I mean? Like nowadays you ain't got to show up. I think you could sit behind these cameras and you could do all this yell and act crazy and go viral. I. I don't condone it, but I gotta accept it because that's just what we. That's the world we live in. You know what I'm saying? I don't have to indulge myself into.

[Memphis Bleak]

It just cause who we are, man. But let me ask you a question. Cause you know, I always hold Jay down on stage and I watched you hold Big down to hold Kim down. You know what I mean? Then now I seen you even. Well I'm save that one. But I can't even really compare the two though. Which was more fun kill more big. It's damn near like the same. Kim got super monsters and me like it's damn. They're like the same but which one you enjoy more?

[Cease]

I mean, of course. I mean, I mean, B, of course. Because he's the start of it, you know? So it's time to meet him and Kim, you know, play as anthem. We gotta perform, you know what I mean? And doing it with Kim is just like doing it with Big on a female level. So, like, you know, Big got women. He got the bitches and the niggas going crazy, right?

[Memphis Bleak]

Crazy.

[Cease]

Kim got niggas going crazy, too, but Kim got the bitches going crazy. Crazy. You know, they yelling out, taking in the bud. Yes. Yes. What Crazy.

[Memphis Bleak]

Kim made the freaks come out.

[Cease]

Yeah. I fucking love her. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

[Memphis Bleak]

Freaks wasn't freaked until little Kim.

[Cease]

Kim. Salute to the queen.

[Memphis Bleak]

Think about it. Chicks was dressed like us. Rest in peace, Aaliyah. All of them. Remember, they was in Tommy Hill figure, just like us in the ads. Big ass jeans and boxers and girls was dressed just like that. It wasn't until Cisco Kim got on.

[Cease]

That album cover, she opened her legs.

[Memphis Bleak]

Made the thong song, and Kim took that shit. And then now we got what we got got today.

[Cease]

Oh, yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

All of these women, she definitely did.

[Cease]

Even the music you hear today, it's influenced by the queen. They was talking like that back then. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, female rappers was talking ratchet and crazy back in the days. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's no different. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, Foxy, you know what I'm saying?

[Memphis Bleak]

Like, nah, you see, that's the whack about the female side of artists. Because Kim and Fox both put different imprints in music Facts. They compared them.

[Cease]

Yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

It's just like all the women today let these women, and no woman is the same. I don't think we done met. You ever met two women the same. You ever been like, damn, this just like this last bitch ever. So how can we compare the rappers? It's the same.

[Cease]

I agree.

[Memphis Bleak]

Think about that, bro.

[Cease]

Got to let anybody have the. Gotta let everybody have their own.

[Memphis Bleak]

See, imitate other or act like this or want to be this. Women don't do that. They on their own.

[Cease]

No doubt.

[Memphis Bleak]

And it's like, how could you compare that? Like, I could. If you even compare women you doubt none of them are the same.

[Cease]

I think people just do it now because they could. You know, people just got. Just hip hop, you got it. You. You got all this stuff in front of you for you to view your opinion and. And you can have a moment with that, you know what I'm saying? But, you know, let's really be realistic, though. Like, in our time, nobody sounded the same. No, you know what I'm saying? Sound like meth, you know? I mean, Red man ain't sound like Raekwon.

[Memphis Bleak]

Nobody sound like who's facing Sound like bleak, you know?

[Cease]

I mean, like, nobody sounded the same. Tribe didn't sound like Fooshnikins, you know what I'm saying? Like, everybody was. But that's what made hip hop, right? Like, you know, we can go from listening to some real NWH type and be on some Boniti apple bomb two hours later, you know what I'm saying? You could be on some Coogee rap, then be on some. Make the music with your mouth biz.

[Memphis Bleak]

Like, yo, everybody was different. Bringing it back to the real.

[Cease]

But nobody sound the same. When you listen to music today, it's the same rhythm. It's the same to me.

[Memphis Bleak]

I tell.

[Cease]

And we appreciate the ones that's doing that's really doing something different. That's making universal music.

[Memphis Bleak]

To me, it's all the same. But if they cutting that, check it remix to remix to the remix.

[Cease]

Listen, all that. When I'm nice and right and I'm in that environment and I'm. I. I love all that. I'm a musician. I love all kind of music. I'm not here to say, oh, this is this and this is that. Listen, man, if it's. If it's getting you out the neighborhood and feeding you your family and taking care of your peoples, I don't care what you're doing. You ain't robbing nobody. You ain't doing, you know, pulling folks over. You ain't doing no corny. That's how you're gonna eat. Eat. It might not be my type of taste of. But that you're doing something positive, doing something right. You getting some legal money and lots of money. Do your bro eat.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yo, so one thing I wanted to ask you too, man. The crush on you record that record, it had mad smoke. Everybody was coming out saying they wrote that.

[Cease]

I don't know who wrote it.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yo, that's what I'm saying. I think I wrote it. Yeah, everybody wrote that shit.

[Cease]

I don't know who wrote the record. Till somebody say something, they ain't got to say it. I. I ain't write it. And I've been very vocal and honest about me. I ain't started writing rhymes till 1999, you know what I'm saying? Really? When I had to write my album Album. That's when I started to write rhymes and I was still having people help me. I had a bunch of I had an ill team behind me helping me jot down too. But that's when I got comfortable with writing songs. You know what I'm saying? Like you know my mobb deep first I did on all out who people say is my best verse. I did that though. Dolly oh.

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[Memphis Bleak]

Said the joint with UJ, I think it was UJ, Puff and somebody else. They said you smoked everybody on that joint too. What I think for the. For the fam or.

[Cease]

You gotta look at that. Hold on, hold on, hold on. For all this. I did all the. I did with us. I did all that. The Rock Mafia.

[Memphis Bleak]

Oh, man, that was that.

[Cease]

You killed doing all again.

[Memphis Bleak]

You destroyed that too.

[Cease]

Come get me. You know my. The game record I did with State P. Like, that's when I was, you know, in my. You know, I was. I was. I was really comfortable in the format of like, all right. Like, I learned everything.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yo, you did come around when it was mad drama.

[Cease]

Now you do. It was going down and I'm like.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yo, who called you to go to that studio? She's like, nah, I was with beans and them, you know, was these over there. Yo, it used to be. It was wicked and be.

[Cease]

So that's the type of. I was like, all right, bro. I. You know, I just thinking everything all smooth up here. Like, it was. Like, it wasn't too. No.

[Memphis Bleak]

Like, nah, nobody wasn't fighting.

[Cease]

Yeah, but it was. Yeah, it was tension. I felt that. I was like, just let me know, you want me to pull up, I'll pull up. And then, you know, Crack and B, they hit me. They want to come to the block. And I'm like, all right, we all fam these my. You know, this is all not knowing the. And I shouldn't know that at that time, you know what I'm saying?

[Memphis Bleak]

But it wasn't no smoke with.

[Cease]

That's what I was doing just now.

[Memphis Bleak]

It wasn't no smoke smoke with them. It's just they. They was playing a little bit of both sides, you know what I'm saying? It was. It was smoke with the set, and they was down with both. It's like, nah, nigga, pick a side cuff. You know what I mean? But now looking back, it's like, ah, it. Get your money. We was all on some. We wasted the opportunity and wasted major bread back then.

[Cease]

My.

[Memphis Bleak]

Just my egos. Like, do you. You look back and say to yourself, damn, I wish I could have handled this different, or we'd have went about this situation different. Anything.

[Cease]

You.

[Memphis Bleak]

You wish you would have went about different in life.

[Cease]

I just wish I would have focused more on them. I wish I would have just focused more on music, you know what I'm saying? Like, I really did. I wish I, you know, just would have been more focused on that. Like, you know, for me, it's like I needed a certain situation. You know, I didn't. I. I didn't feel good if it was just me doing it by myself. Like, you know, I was loving having the bristles and the bangs and, you know, Kim around, you know, when I'm working on something, you know, you just got, you know, a by. Yeah. You know what I mean? So when that kind of left, it was just kind of like, ah, you know what I mean? Then when I got with y', all, it's like that shit started to. Cause I love it, dog. You know what I mean? I didn't grow up wanting to do it, but, you know, that shit been our life, you know what I'm saying? I never, never wanted to stop doing that because I just feel like. Like, you know, I feel like I ain't still giving my best even to this day, you know? I mean, because I'm like, I love. I love music so much, you know what I'm saying? And I Was sitting on. Yeah, I just dropped a little throwback project. Yeah, like, but just records I did, you know, like the. To come and get me that ain't here.

[Memphis Bleak]

Like that, but don't stop you. You still got more to give. You got the game to give, man. You live through an era. Come on, bro. Bro. Like the beef, right? Everybody done heard the stories of the beef. I never met Tupac. I never saw him.

[Cease]

Yeah, ever.

[Memphis Bleak]

Like, I remember being. They jam with the freak Leak in Atlanta, and they was like, nah, bleak. You can't go. You too young. And Pac was out. That's all. Everybody kept saying, yo, Pac was in the A. Yo, this was crazy. Like, was it. What was the times like before the dream drama with pop? Like, you know what I mean? Everybody heard the drama. Nobody heard what it was like before the beat.

[Cease]

Yeah, I mean, was cool. It was. It was. It was. It was like fam, you know what I'm saying? Like, nah, coming, you know, come to hang out on the block with us at times. Yep. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, we in the studio going to with him. Him and him and Big, they doing records. They're running from the police. Like, you know, they both was on that Heavy Duty remix, you know what I'm saying? Like, let's get it on. Like, you know, I mean, it's like we was really like, you know, my homie. So it was like regular, like, you know, I mean, like, you know, we were still who we was, though. We weren't rappers. So just imagine our. Our energy then. Like, you know, we.

[Memphis Bleak]

And it was crazy.

[Cease]

But that's him. He was somebody before us. So it's like.

[Memphis Bleak]

Like, that's crazy.

[Cease]

Like, that's Tupac, this sitting on Fulton street right now with us. Like, yo, it's crazy.

[Memphis Bleak]

Had Tupac on 4th Street, Fulton and St. James, bro.

[Cease]

Chilling with a bad boy shirt on, too. Nah, for real. You see that picture that go up, that be seen all around with all of us in the picture and me, him. God bless the dad, Stretch. Like, but him and Big was. Ah, dog, they was bros. Like, for real. For real. They kicked it. They respected each other. Like, you know, Pac respected Big. Big respected him. They were just young and, you know, outside forces came in and up that whole situation for sure.

[Memphis Bleak]

I ain't gonna lie. I blame. It wasn't social media, but the media.

[Cease]

The media, yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

Major part, the magazines, they pushed that.

[Cease]

Narrative of east coast and west, like, 100%, bro. No, that was two problems. That was an issue with Two people.

[Memphis Bleak]

And it wasn't the whole coast thing. And that's what's so crazy, that before the drama was with. With Pac and Big, going to LA felt like going to London. My. They used to treat. Them women used to act like we was aliens. Like, I fucking you from where I fucking love you. And I used to be like, we love y', all, too. And then after the drama, my nigga. Yeah, I remember going to Fat Burger, bro. Yo, listen, on some G shit. This is before I was known.

[Cease]

The one that was next to that.

[Memphis Bleak]

Hotel from the hotel, the Omnia something.

[Cease]

I know. Hold on, keep talking. It's all coming to my mind.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yo, the Fat Burger right across the street. I walk outside the hotel, going to the Fat Burger. I. I not. Let me get something to eat. Yo, my came and laid down the whole parking lot. It was mad in the parking lot, chilling, smoking, drinking. I come out the Fat Burger, they got like. Like five laid down with masks on, just booking these.

[Cease]

Yeah, dog.

[Memphis Bleak]

And I'm like, yo, what the.

[Cease]

I can see that from the window in there.

[Memphis Bleak]

And then Def Jam used to have security for us. Like, because at times we used to pull up, they didn't have security. Used to be, go have do your thing. Then you land in security at the airport. For you, it's like, whoa, what the happened?

[Cease]

Like, all right, we over here now, you know, a little different. And then you in Hollywood, you thinking, sweet. Like, nah, this is. It's a. You know, it's a gang. It's a. It's a game.

[Memphis Bleak]

Very different, bro.

[Cease]

But it's love, you know, it's fun and, you know, the atmosphere. You know, when you ride down Sunset, you ride down the Strip, the buzz, you know, it's a feeling you get where you say, yo, this is. I like la. This. That's why Big wanted to be there, you know, he wanted to stay, dog. It was a vibe for him, you know what I'm saying? He wanted to be there, you know, like, you know, at that time, you know, that's. That was his spot. That was his comfort. Smoking that good ass. Like, we had Branson back home, you know what I'm saying? But he, like, when he here, you could get that from anybody, you know, that got some good.

[Memphis Bleak]

LA is different still to this day.

[Cease]

To this day, dog, that's the best in the States outside of anywhere.

[Memphis Bleak]

Every year, all my West Coast, I tell them, y' all is spoil you. Yeah, y' all grew up with the super gas. All day, we had the scrounge, used to gas you up. That it was the gas, yo.

[Cease]

We had to have chocolate.

[Memphis Bleak]

Think about it. They up the OG Kush name on the east coast for a minute. It just came back. You would tell a couple years ago, you got some Kush. Like, that's. Yeah, we were stuck on side with Diesel for like 20 years.

[Cease]

For sure, dog.

[Memphis Bleak]

The west always had outside.

[Cease]

Outside of like in the. You know, in the States. Yeah. La.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's crazy.

[Cease]

California. Just the west coast, period. I don't give a. If you like Portland, Denver, Seattle, anytime the Bay, you touch some bud over there, you.

[Memphis Bleak]

You know, I don't give a you.

[Cease]

Even the long grade. It's gonna be some.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, they, they, they bad weed is good weed.

[Cease]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

No bad weed on the West. My.

[Cease]

We still got bad weed. We gonna get that right, though. We gonna get that right though.

[Memphis Bleak]

When Big said the. I swear, right? I always say he on me. He's like, you seeds out your weed. It's like, damn, he's on me. Cause we was just smoking the L at the Apollo, right? I'm telling you. And my. You know, when the sea burning.

[Cease]

Don't do that.

[Memphis Bleak]

Be steaming, crazy or stinking. He like, nah, little bro, I don't want that. Gave my L back. But then I'm like, you know. But later I hear seeds out their week. Like, damn, they can it on me. God. Yo, so another question I wanted to ask. We spoke about it on Drink Champs. We didn't get the answer. When Big said or sees no or did your hoes go to his door first? Man, keep it 100 with me.

[Cease]

Nah, he was all of them.

[Memphis Bleak]

He was cap some of them.

[Cease]

Yeah, yeah. They weren't even mine, though.

[Memphis Bleak]

No, they matter.

[Cease]

They for the streets. They for the streets. Yeah. Not ours. Yeah, you know, B, I was. Yo, so look, it was a bi before me, right?

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah.

[Cease]

So I was the magnet, you know.

[Memphis Bleak]

You was into it.

[Cease]

Yeah, Ma, he was deficient. I always want to be a big papa. You do? All right, but look, listen. Before we get there, he's going, yo, all right. Once we do that, I'm going, let. Yo, yo, papa, she.

[Memphis Bleak]

She ready, right? And now he's send her.

[Cease]

Yeah. So shit like that come from, you.

[Memphis Bleak]

Know, on our team? No, it was sharks on our team. Wasn't no did nothing for nobody was taking yours. Yeah, I remember the first time being on the road, right. Is married, but I just gotta let the big homie know.

[Cease]

Come on, you talk a little bit, man. That's your past. We talking about the Past we not.

[Memphis Bleak]

Listen. Y' all listen.

[Cease]

We're talking about shit that we did before. This is not now.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, I was like, 15, right? My first time. Probably third time on the road with Biggs, J. Dame, everybody. So we in the club. I don't even know what city we in, but I know is telling me, yo, you get some girls, just tell them what hotel you at. They meet you over there. You good. So I'm like, girls gonna meet us at the hotel. Niggas like, yeah, just tell them where you stand. So mind you, I'm new. I'm like, get a girl to go to the hotel. Like, I just was kissing in the hallway for three hours yesterday. This is not gonna happen.

[Cease]

The you mean.

[Memphis Bleak]

So then, boom, I'm moving around the club, meet this girl, and she like, yo, where you stand? She asked me. So I'm like, yo, we over at such and such, you know? I mean, she like, you got your own room, so I'm not allowed. I'm like, oh, she wanted. She on me. So I'm like, yeah, but I don't know where the hotel at. Let me go get the address. And I'm gonna tell you exactly what hotel we at. Yeah, I. I go tell Biggs, yo, where we staying at. He like, why? I'm like, I got this joint. She ready to come back to the hotel. He like, who? So my young dumb ass shows him, huh? Right there, you know, he went and took her.

[Cease]

Oh, man. Yeah. See? See how it happened to you?

[Memphis Bleak]

Yo, yo, yo. So that's what I had to do. At least you was out there bringing them to the. They was.

[Cease]

Papa wasn't as vicious, as big as at that time, but he would.

[Memphis Bleak]

They would snap.

[Cease]

They would just do what they do. It ain't.

[Memphis Bleak]

It was.

[Cease]

At the end of the day, it wasn't him, right? It was her. She went like, all right. Damn. I just knew the power. Yeah. Of authority. All right. I know she want papa before anything. Yo, mom, ho, are you fudging fun? Oh, yeah, I'm fun. Oh, you're fun, all right.

[Memphis Bleak]

I ain't gonna lie. Hov was mad whack on the road. Hoving hang out with us.

[Cease]

Died V. I just sent it. He used to send me down, too, though. I could be in my. I could be in the room chilling, bro.

[Memphis Bleak]

I'm gonna keep it real.

[Cease]

Yo, he give me that call, that phone ringing, that hotel, yo, that's what he had to say, yo. Nah, why you calling me? And I just sent something upstairs. It could be nothing. I Ain't think it's nothing that came from me. Just some.

[Memphis Bleak]

He got whatever I know.

[Cease]

I go roll them up. Five blunts. Take him with joke. Here you go, bro. You good. I'll be downstairs playing the game. If that phone rang, yo, I. Oh, word?

[Memphis Bleak]

Nah. Yeah, come on.

[Cease]

I got a key over. I got everything.

[Memphis Bleak]

Hope wasn't partying with us. That I'm telling you. You listen to them raps? He said it. Y' all don't on the road 100 hours, I fly over your bus. He was talking about us.

[Cease]

Because after the show, he jump on.

[Memphis Bleak]

The plane, gone, we stuck at the hotel, we gotta wake up, get on the bus, he already in the next city, chillin.

[Cease]

Yeah, yeah, good situated.

[Memphis Bleak]

And we thinking we have fun. Pulling up tired, still drunk from last night. O wasn't, but the other. I ain't gonna say no names. A lot of them. Oh, they used to snipe. You bring some back?

[Cease]

Yeah. Nah, this place is different now. We snipe. Come on. I was with a group of nine people. You know what I mean?

[Memphis Bleak]

It was sniping.

[Cease]

Yeah. Is going, yo, listen.

[Memphis Bleak]

And you got chips back there.

[Cease]

They don't know what they want to do. Are you cool? Girls was older than us.

[Memphis Bleak]

We was the young girls was older.

[Cease]

Yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

Cause I remember hov used to have to pay a band to get me in the club. Cause I wasn't even 18. Like, he's 16. No thousand dollars for him.

[Cease]

Yeah, no, we was the only kid. Yeah, listen, y', all, don't be alarmed.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, don't think we.

[Cease]

I was out here. I was outside grown ups.

[Memphis Bleak]

These was adults, remember? Cause I was 21 and over clubs, they used to have to pay a thousand dollars at every club to get me in.

[Cease]

Yeah, I was 16.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, they'll be like, nah, don't let them in jail. Be like, I give you a thousand dollars. Stop bugging. They be like, he good.

[Cease]

Well, you had to come in. You want a wreck it.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, but they still used to be like, nah. You know who used to show love? Maria Davis.

[Cease]

Yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

Mad Wednesdays.

[Cease]

Hell yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yo, Maria Davis used to have it lit. Yeah, I know you. You did Maria Davis a few nights.

[Cease]

Yeah, hell yeah, we did. Yo, remember we used to have vertigo? I did that a few times. But the tunnel always like, they never really, you know. I never had an issue going in.

[Memphis Bleak]

The tunnel since I didn't know the tunnel. They ain't even check ID in the tunnel. As long as you were spending money in the tunnel, you was in there.

[Cease]

You had nails. Remember you had nails downtown? I was on 14th street, the Grand, the Muse. And you know what I mean. So it never was really until you started to travel and go out of town.

[Memphis Bleak]

I didn't get to go to the Muse or none. I was too young. Hovindham used to leave me. They used to be like, nope, we out.

[Cease]

Yeah, dog, that's crazy.

[Memphis Bleak]

If it wasn't no performance clippers was out. See, he's like bleak. You in the hood. You good. Don't worry about it. I'll call you when it's time to do coming Age.

[Cease]

But y' all was right. So when you. Y' all wasn't that far from us. Like when who came out first? I know big came out 94. When did.

[Memphis Bleak]

Oh, Jay came out 96.

[Cease]

Came out 96.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yes. Y' all was already rolling. That what I'm saying. Y' all was already rolling. My.

[Cease]

I never even thought about that because I always thought whole album came out around the same time. Like, nah, like, I thought that President album came out around that time. No, I think Nas was. I think Ill Matic was out.

[Memphis Bleak]

Nas and Wu tang 94. That 94 year was Y'.

[Cease]

All.

[Memphis Bleak]

NAS, Wu tang. 96.

[Cease]

Nah, that's a fact. Now I'm thinking about the Ain't no Bitch video.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, we.

[Cease]

We fooled it. We flew out here. Actually come to the video.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, I think that was 95. Yeah, that was in 95.

[Cease]

Thinking about that and big was on that album, I'm like, all right. So, yeah, I knew that was something that was physical. Why you know, Big was present. But I always thought that whole album came out.

[Memphis Bleak]

Nah, around that 96. My my ain't dropping in 99. Think you already had your out 5 years before I even got got started. So think about it.

[Cease]

Wow, dog.

[Memphis Bleak]

The love I thought I got on the road. This was getting Jodeci love. You got the Jodecy love. My. You was out there with Tevin Campbell and them where could wear extensions in their hair.

[Cease]

Yeah, I got it when it was real and it was authentic, man.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, man.

[Cease]

None of that going on right now. There's no. There was no hard asses.

[Memphis Bleak]

You was around Patrick.

[Cease]

It was all authentic, too. All real ass, real titties, real women. It was real men. It was. It was real going on. But you were still there. You wasn't. You wasn't far back, dog.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, I was far back about three, dog.

[Cease]

Yeah, you weren't that far.

[Memphis Bleak]

I never was around Patrick.

[Cease]

Patch was bad. She was like one of the Baddest brown skinned women in the world.

[Memphis Bleak]

So I'm trying to tell you, I.

[Cease]

Never was and I still look like that.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's what I'm saying. My. You was around Super Cat. Come on Cup. Dolly, Dolly my baby. I was in a house party. You was really with him?

[Cease]

Facts.

[Memphis Bleak]

You was with Shabbat. Trailer Load.

[Cease]

Shout out to Heavy Duty.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, God bless. God bless.

[Cease]

You know, like that, that type of error, you know what I'm saying? My favorite rapper outside of B. I was Grand Pooba, bro.

[Memphis Bleak]

Oh, yo, still is. Nah, Grand Pooba was spitting.

[Cease]

Still is. Grandpa. I used to go to school dressed like him with the Jansport. Tommy Hillfinger.

[Memphis Bleak]

Grandpa was on that. Yeah, y' all clipped him on the remix though. He was on that Mary J record first and then Big put his verse in there that his verse wasn't on him clip on.

[Cease]

We would just listen. Man, that was bad boy. The record label nigga Punk Daddy Big was just signed. Big ain't call shots like that.

[Memphis Bleak]

But word that remix used to be.

[Cease]

Big was just trying to get on.

[Memphis Bleak]

That Larry record with Grand Pooper used to be playing like Russia was on all raw G takes and that was our shit. That album came out. That was Biggie on there like, oh.

[Cease]

It'S a nigga from last. Nah, Poo Bourse was crazy on that. We was fans, you know, seeing I ever like, you know, especially B, I was a hip hop. So we, we listened to everybody like, you know, you ain't had to just be hardcore, just be from Brooklyn. We was tapped in with everybody. I was scar faced out, you know what I mean? Like we listen to. Yeah, you know what I mean?

[Memphis Bleak]

That was the first record I understood what bum thugs were saying because I ain't know what they were saying. So they did that and then they did first of the month. I got y' all fiends know what day it's the first of the month.

[Cease]

Yeah, that was my.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yo, I used to play that to the tape Pop. That was my.

[Cease]

They stay styled. Them was different. And when he did that in that.

[Memphis Bleak]

Session, you was there for that when they.

[Cease]

When they was in.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, yeah.

[Cease]

Big ain't do his verse at the original session we did in la. I don't know if you see that. That picture with all of us in there. Yeah, yeah, I was in there and them came in there with, you know, the shovel, like Big Tall. You put boxes on. They came there with like two bottles filled with Hennessy dog.

[Memphis Bleak]

No way.

[Cease]

Like 16 of the most out 20 of them and it was just me, drock, Big Puff, Stevie. It's just like. Like working heads in the studio. Coming in with the whole Cleveland East 99 in that. And we just got high in there and they did their. And Big was like, I'm gonna take my back home. Like, not know. I don't think he knew what he wanted to do. He was like, yo, I'm gonna take this back back home. And when we got to Daddy's house, like, a week later, that's the first time he ever told the like, yo, step out real quick. No, I used to have the. You know, used to be the in studio room. And you could see in the room. Yeah, he ain't want to look at nobody, but he's like, yo, everybody cleared up real quick.

[Memphis Bleak]

You know what?

[Cease]

Yeah, y' all don't want y' all to hear this. And just. And then I came back in when he like, yo, it wasn't that long either. Half an hour.

[Memphis Bleak]

I know that just like, you'll come back in. I know that. Making that Life After Death album was insane. And that's still one of the best albums ever, ever created, bro.

[Cease]

No doubt. It's my. My favorite double album. And I'm not being biased.

[Memphis Bleak]

No, straight up. Sometimes I look at. Because I was one of the telling Jay, yo, do the double album. Do the double album. Then when he dropped it, he was like, yo, double. That's just too much music. It's just too much music.

[Cease]

Yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

And. And when you listen to certain people double albums, it does feel like that it's only two double albums that don't feel like it's too much music. It's Life After Death. It all lies on me for sure. That's crazy.

[Cease]

I agree, bro.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's crazy. The only two double albums that you could really listen to, front to back.

[Cease]

Especially now, too, you know, in this day and age, like, I don't want to touch nothing. You know, you could just want to. If you want to take that ride, you just throw that on. And you ain't. You ain't skipping any, losing nothing. Just going to let it just play through, you know what I'm saying? You know, like. And you just let it go. Like, you know, and. Yeah, those are. Those are my two. And what's the double album Hope did? Cause I was like, that was.

[Memphis Bleak]

No, the album is Fire. To me, that did numbers. He just told me, yo, it's too much music. I don't know why he said that. It wasn't too much music. To me, it's up there, but it's not a lot of double albums that you could listen to.

[Cease]

A Ride to Delaware from New York Life after death for me 100 we don't want to touch nothing. Let's just ride to this y'. All. You know like you know 100% like.

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[Memphis Bleak]

It comes to like best spitters to me I always said like a certain cadence like you know I always me Freeway had one of the best cadence.

[Cease]

No doubt, no doubt.

[Memphis Bleak]

But I still feel like no. 1 to this day. Top B I B. I made every word rhyme. He would say a rhyme where then there every word rhyme then it be like God damn. So I know that had to be phenomenal just to see him sitting there doing it. Cause him and Jay was on the street doing the same. Not writing it down.

[Cease]

No doubt.

[Memphis Bleak]

And you just sitting there soaking up all the game.

[Cease]

I mean like you know when I be talking about it now people be, you know, I don't know if people be tripping like because they think I'd be biased about it. I'm really just a hip hop, you know what I'm saying? Growing up in that I give props when props is due like you know what I'm saying. But I'm like I used to always think outside the box when it came to big and I just felt like out of all the artists, and I'm not saying because he my man. I just felt like out of all the rappers and musicians, I felt like he was like my most well rounded rapper. Because on just on. If you want to break down everything just like flows. I just feel like he had that concepts, he had that, he had that content. He just wanted, you know, a certain subject and storytelling. He had that metaphors. Like, I'm like, well, if you want to. If I wanted to judge a rapper, some rappers were just in one. They were just on in one, in one space. He was. He bone space. Yeah. I'm saying he in the Cali space with a lot, a lot of hits. Just hit you here rhythm.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah.

[Cease]

And I'm, I, I, I, I, I listen to it. That's how I would study. You know, I watched him listen to LL Slick Rick, you know, Kane was his favorite, favorite rapper. So when you hear him getting on those different type of frequencies and levels, I'm like, I just felt like it was. Nobody completed in that way like him. Yeah. You know what I mean? But to him. And I always. And I saw and I said this one time on the Internet, he was, he said, ho. Yeah, they was both a better rapper than him.

[Memphis Bleak]

They both was chasing.

[Cease]

And I used to argue him about that.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yo, I'm telling you what was chasing each other.

[Cease]

But he's a, his mind is different because he's a writer. He's a, he's an artist. He, he understand everything that homo say. He like, yo, bro, some. And he's keeping his bottom. I'm like, you really think so? He like, yo, bro, yeah. You know, And I always think about the line, take a freeze off my kneecap. Believe that Big used to bug off that line. I'm like, okay, let me start listening to you know what I'm saying? Like, but that's two artists. Like, you know, I just thought they both was like. It was different, you know what I'm saying?

[Memphis Bleak]

Each other top. They was on each other, like.

[Cease]

And they went to war with each other as friends, you know what I'm saying? Like, all right.

[Memphis Bleak]

That Brooklyn Finest record was them battling.

[Cease]

Yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

They was going at it like, let's do this. Like, what? Nah, I' ma kill you. No, I' ma murder you. Nope. It was on.

[Cease]

And then they found a way to make their too linger together. Yeah, see, they doing little alleles with each other, yo. That's you know what I'm saying? Like, all right, we gonna make this shit right. But that's why that record Is that record because you like, all right. Them niggas wasn't playing. They wasn't sitting in there, like, tapping bottles together and shit. Hoe was in one corner, niggas in one corner. You know, but we still. They still like talking every now and then. And then you leave for a little while, you come back, and that's what.

[Memphis Bleak]

You got, like, you know, like that story. I seen a story where Beans was on the net where he was like, yeah, Jay wear big chain when he get in album mode.

[Cease]

Yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's 100% fact.

[Cease]

Hell, yeah. He gave him Come to the crib.

[Memphis Bleak]

And he put the Jesus piece.

[Cease]

He used to come there. Cd. He used to come there to the crib. Yo, Rock, let me get that.

[Memphis Bleak]

Come on.

[Cease]

About to go work on this album. Yeah, and we know when he done. When he called us back to come get it.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, word.

[Cease]

So I heard every. After the second album, I heard every whole album exclusively now.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, that's a fact.

[Cease]

We got that firsthand. The. The team like, yo, y', all, pull up. Come on. Come through. Oh, here. Come to the crib. Yo. Set it up the Speaker's ass. The CD era. Yeah, yeah, throw that in.

[Memphis Bleak]

I don't think Jay ever built that bond with another rapper like he had with.

[Cease]

Yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

You know what I'm saying? Like, Jay with a lot of rappers, where it's a lot of who Cool, fam, all that. But Big was the bro, man.

[Cease]

Cause they really bonded. They really like people. And only us know that. You know what I'm saying?

[Memphis Bleak]

Family. Not just Big, y'.

[Cease]

All.

[Memphis Bleak]

The whole Mafia like, y'.

[Cease]

All.

[Memphis Bleak]

The famine always been, bro. And I just wanted you to know that. So that's a fact, bro. What's. What could people expect from Caesar Leo going forward? My G, what we got cooking? My.

[Cease]

Well, I got. I'm working on this documentary. It's called From a Young G's Perspective. No, just really just based on. And everything that, you know, from the day I got introduced into music, into where I'm at right now in this present state of mind. And it's called From a Young G's Perspective. Just, you know, young, really coming up in this. And, you know, I'm still here. I ain't turn into a crackhead. God bless. Yeah. But you know what I'm saying, like. And I. And I want to, you know, put that story out there. So anybody else that's trying to, you know, that's going through them type of shits to understand, you know, what's what, and I'm working on this album. I got called the Heart of the City. You know, Big was the king of New York, and he always called me his heart. So I'm the heart of the city. Damn. And I'm working on that project.

[Memphis Bleak]

Anything you need from Blizzard.

[Cease]

Come on, man.

[Memphis Bleak]

You are.

[Cease]

Come on, dog.

[Memphis Bleak]

We get up, we gonna do, nigga, whatever you need out there, even if you just need a friendly air, just to be like, yo, what you think?

[Cease]

We gonna put it on the podcast right now?

[Memphis Bleak]

I'm putting it.

[Cease]

Put this out there, right? I'm sitting on Seven Records.

[Memphis Bleak]

You seven.

[Cease]

Remember, we always wanted. We supposed to did something because they always looked at like, that's. That's ho. That's. Yeah. Like, this is what birthed us. And I'm like, all right, I think that's something we need to. You know, we still need to do.

[Memphis Bleak]

So I'm saying, come on, man, let's put that one.

[Cease]

Cause I did hit you one time. I was like, yo, bro.

[Memphis Bleak]

And I watched you do this joint.

[Cease]

You was like, I ain't really with the music right now. But you was honest. I was like, hold on. No doubt.

[Memphis Bleak]

And then they gassed me. My man Cheech.

[Cease]

Cheech? You gassed him?

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, he gassed.

[Cease]

All right. So now I know, see? All right, me and him here.

[Memphis Bleak]

You gotta call him.

[Cease]

So you know, right? I was like, yo, bro, what's up? Let's, like, I wanna work on some shit with you. He's like, yo, Lee, I ain't really with that shit, Cease. I ain't really. I'm like, word. But I was like, I respect it.

[Memphis Bleak]

I get it.

[Cease]

I'm like, nah, no doubt.

[Memphis Bleak]

Like, I feel like music. I don't do it just because I know how.

[Cease]

Yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

I have to really feel it, be in the mood, in the zone. And it's been years since I felt it, like, you know, I was just like, I ain't have nothing. Really. I wanted to say I felt like I said a lot. And then watching where things going now and the conversations with me and my bro, it just felt like, nah, it is shit. I could say. Cause these young, young boys need to hear no doubt. That is light at the end of the tunnel. That we ain't thugging forever.

[Cease]

And that's why I want to.

[Memphis Bleak]

We become businessmen at the end of the day. You know what I'm saying? We sitting here, we doing this. We talking about documentaries. Like, I just seen you on tour doing a Notorious BIG Tour. You was overseas?

[Cease]

Yeah, yeah. With the Frank White Band. Yeah. With the Frank White Experience. Bands going out there, rocking with the band, you know, getting them, you know, getting them situated to, you know, know feeling how the world feel. Cause they just a band that go out and do Biggie stuff. You know what I mean? And, you know, they was, you know, the. The. The state, the management, everybody, you know, co signed it and they was with it. And I was like, come on, man. I'm gonna see if I get y' all overseas. And they bit. We went over there for a whole month, you know, I mean, I'm gonna try to work on the project with them, too. Just doing a live album. Like, remember how HOV did MTV Unplugged? It was a show on mtv. And he put that out on the cd. Like, all right.

[Memphis Bleak]

Right.

[Cease]

Yeah. Just show. You know, let's. Like, I just want to do that type of now. So, like you said you did it. Cause you. You still love this. It's something that sparked you to make you. Like.

[Memphis Bleak]

And that right there, when I seen that, I'm like, yeah. I thought. I think y' all was in London. And you posted and I'm like, damn. This on tour with the Frank White Band, performing all the hits. And I just seen. It was a packed house to love. I'm like, that's fire.

[Cease]

And with the band, too. Just the whole. The whole show is with a live.

[Memphis Bleak]

Live music, bro. Not everybody got the talent.

[Cease]

Yes.

[Memphis Bleak]

To perform with a live band.

[Cease]

You can't come on.

[Memphis Bleak]

Some of these guys still performing with the. Not the Vocal track, the MP3.

[Cease]

Yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

They playing with the studio track. They ain't just got the TV track, they got the original Apple. Go to itunes, play it, and I'mma perform it.

[Cease]

Yeah, the locks at. See, the locks blew the spot of the locks at the show. They got like. When they did verses like, nah, N. You better rap to your instrumentals. N. It's about to get real. They really put it back in that perspective. This is how we.

[Memphis Bleak]

Cause it's like family.

[Cease]

We had dap players that had TV.

[Memphis Bleak]

Tracks and that's it with hooks.

[Cease]

And you may have some ad libs in there. You might do a hall. You might do a show like that. Yeah. But you got to say the round.

[Memphis Bleak]

Your talent had to be talented. Ballad can't be studio. Yo, the way going now, I know Milli Vanilli like you, bro.

[Cease]

They would have been lit right now.

[Memphis Bleak]

Y' all play with me. They should drop an album back like we back.

[Cease]

Yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

It.

[Cease]

You know it's untrue. Yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

And the record Skip. All they needed was a look. It's MP3 now. They ain't gotta worry about nothing. Skipping and everybody.

[Cease]

Milli Vanilli in it's ways. You can speak the vocals, auto tune, AI straight up.

[Memphis Bleak]

I know them is like you must.

[Cease]

We had none of that. We had none of that. So you know what I mean?

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, you had to be talented, bro.

[Cease]

And I don't want people to think like I ain't never been. I love the music today. Like I. I don't trip. I love good music.

[Memphis Bleak]

They talented because they created the music. But form what you create.

[Cease]

No doubt or what they used to.

[Memphis Bleak]

Say back in that day, man, you're a studio rapper and you don't want that. No, you don't want that.

[Cease]

Went down. Yeah. You couldn't even talk to like that. No.

[Memphis Bleak]

They called you a studio rapper. That meant you didn't get busy outside the studio. Yeah, I mean your is all engineered and that's it.

[Cease]

And I just think that's why we're, we're, you know, our culture from the 90s is elevated like since COVID happened as bad as Covid took a lot of lives and a lot of stuff happened from that. Covid really rejuvenated like music. Yeah, for real. Like if you think about from that point on, ain't nobody been selling out and create energy but Busta, you know, the 50 tours, the Wu Tang, the two tours. Oh my, Nas, SWV, Escape, yo, bro, now you're seeing Keith Sweat, you're seeing.

[Memphis Bleak]

A residency with an orchestra. Jeezy on tour with an orchestra, you.

[Cease]

Know what I'm saying? Like that took us. It made people, I think, just appreciate. Go back to say, hey, this is a dope time in my life. It ain't just the music. It was a dope time in my life because you know, the generation today just gotta get it together and make your safe and create that atmosphere. You could rap about anything. It could be the most drilling ever. But when somebody, somebody coming to see you, make sure it's the safest place. You know what I'm saying? Whatever that you talking on these records. But like when it's time for people to come see you, you know, you gotta make sure that's. That that environment was, you know, I mean, you gotta make sure it's right because you don't want to knock it. That's how they coming up, you know. Drill music is like NWA was in our time, the police.

[Memphis Bleak]

NWA still wanted that big. They still wanted some, they still had them. Don't Want no trap. These young just wanna trap.

[Cease]

Yeah. Nah.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, that's it.

[Cease]

They.

[Memphis Bleak]

They just outside. They want to show you. Listen, we drippy. I got the car, I got the F in.

[Cease]

Yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

And I'm smoking a right now. Yeah, where the at?

[Cease]

That's the one thing I'm like, where the at? Yeah, I used smoking.

[Memphis Bleak]

It can't even be no in the middle, all that. Don't want to smoke. They just don't want to smoke. I never think about it. If the bitches want to smoke, niggas, I quit.

[Cease]

Yeah, I'm done.

[Memphis Bleak]

I gotta tell my son he moving overseas. Cause if he ever bring a bitch to quit, talking about, yeah, we smoking on the little homie.

[Cease]

Like, huh? I never got that. Like, like, like, where we get to that at? Like, like, come on, you smoking. You the girl talking about she's smoking on the nigga.

[Memphis Bleak]

This what I'm saying.

[Cease]

Like, smoking on my ex is no. Yo, chill.

[Memphis Bleak]

Chill the action.

[Cease]

Wow, the dog. I'm smoking the expat.

[Memphis Bleak]

If the girls do that, I quit. But these, man, they getting money. They just ain't. They don't. I don't think they having fun.

[Cease]

They not tell opps to pull up. You definitely have them fun. Pull not from to pull up. Why you telling the op to pull up? And you putting it on the gram, too. You let the nigga know at the very moment you're there.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yo, listen, what they doing now is equivalent to what we did at the shows, but we did for the. We used to drop the low. Yeah, you know how like, yo, y' all bugging dropping the low. We used to be on stage after party at. Right down the block.

[Cease]

But you gotta remember. But you gotta remember that up here, it ain't no. It ain't no. No navigation. It's no sitting on location. Oh, he said the Holiday Inn.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yo. Will be after the show.

[Cease]

It's no random. It's everybody that was at the show.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, it was no way to walk through the crowd and tell all the girls, yo, we having a party over here. So niggas would be like, yo, tell them where we staying after the show.

[Cease]

Should be the first day as soon as the last song over. Yo, y', all, we at the Holiday Inn.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yo, we over here, man. We stand over here, yo, in the lobby.

[Cease]

And we were staying in hotels like that, too. Holiday Inn.

[Memphis Bleak]

Holiday Inn, the Ramada, me, the Rada.

[Cease]

We. It's just outside where, like, the doors, when you walk out, it's just that little balcony.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, was bad. We Was just like that popping, yo, was bad.

[Cease]

That's why I'm like, y' all got it good now. Y'. All. Y' all can wait. And Uber could come pick you up a lift. It wasn't none of that, nigga.

[Memphis Bleak]

These niggas stay in that tricks the force seasons with the sweet.

[Cease]

Yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yo, bro, yo, listen. Let me ask you a question.

[Cease]

But the only thing. Let me say this. The only thing, though, that we did have back in them times, we could smoke anywhere.

[Memphis Bleak]

Anywhere.

[Cease]

We used to. Ashtrays in the hotel room. Yeah, we in the hotel blowing down.

[Memphis Bleak]

Crazy.

[Cease]

Blowing. You smoking the whole hallway out.

[Memphis Bleak]

What? Yeah, we used to blow it down everywhere.

[Cease]

Think about, like. See, that's the only thing now. It's.

[Memphis Bleak]

We went. It's illegal there. Now it's legal, and you can't.

[Cease]

You can't do it. Yeah, it was illegal there. But you safe in the hotel.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, we was safe.

[Cease]

You could have smoke in the rooms. They ain't.

[Memphis Bleak]

All they do is come kick you out, and then you go to the next hotel, do the same thing all over again.

[Cease]

Or you on the smoking floor, but you could smoke.

[Memphis Bleak]

You would be like, yo, put me on the smoking floor. And then was over. You really can light that up inside.

[Cease]

This going off every other half.

[Memphis Bleak]

I forgot about the smoking floor. You really light that bitch up.

[Cease]

Like, oh, we just walk up here now You. You walking through the lobby with one. Yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

Nah.

[Cease]

Hey, yo, Bob, go in this room. Yo, niggas over here, yo. Yeah, and they don't with you. Police ain't gonna come. Like, oh, you got. Just get rid of the weeds. Put that shit out. And. Yeah, it's different now.

[Memphis Bleak]

These girls now like this, go to sleep like this.

[Cease]

I start getting on my Chris Brown, man, you taking phones, man. Yo, I don't live in that seat. That's why we passed that. Yeah, yeah, we passed that out. Listen, y', all, we just. We just talking. When we was. When we was like, in the time.

[Memphis Bleak]

You see the game is up. That's why I had to tag out. Like, you know how the wrestlers used to be like, get up and they.

[Cease]

Run me like this?

[Memphis Bleak]

I had to tag out. Found me with tagged out. Listen, listen. Tag me up, baby. I'm out.

[Cease]

Yeah. Nah, I mean, it's meant for us to be out. You know what I mean? Right now we done. We getting old, man. Yeah, we late. And you know what? You know what old means to me? Outliving dummies.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's a fact.

[Cease]

You know?

[Memphis Bleak]

But I don't Even be sometimes I.

[Cease]

Don'T try to get vintage, you know what I mean? Get those gang. Yeah, that's right. Yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

This is called vintage gang.

[Cease]

Yeah, I'm seasoned. Yeah. Yeah. I'm that steak in the fridge that's been in the fridge for two days.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, that's.

[Cease]

You pull me out, I'm nice and seasoned. You throw me on the grill, you could put me in the oven, put me anywhere. I'm gonna come out right?

[Memphis Bleak]

Out of all the places you travel, what's some of your top vacation spots?

[Cease]

Turks. Till you told me what happened today in Turk.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yo, chill, chill. That's just.

[Cease]

Yo, that's gang on gang. Yeah. Ain't got nothing to do with Taurus, Turch and Caicos.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's up there.

[Cease]

Jamaica with the history and the love, you know what I mean? I was just there like a week ago.

[Memphis Bleak]

I didn't know big was 100% Jamaican.

[Cease]

100% Jamaican, bro.

[Memphis Bleak]

That shit blew my mind.

[Cease]

Yeah. And I'm not big cousin people, but that's family. We grew up together. We grew up together. We family. We family. Yeah, exactly. We family by hood.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah.

[Cease]

And by nature.

[Memphis Bleak]

I got a lot of hood cousins.

[Cease]

Yeah. But I be wanting to tell people, like. But just in the real standpoint, you know, blood don't always make you family. But that's bro since I was seven years old. Yeah, but he's a full blown Jamaican. I'm not. But he raised me since I was 11. So, yeah, that's the fan. That's family. You know what I'm saying? So Jamaica and my third place to my Allen or like out the country.

[Memphis Bleak]

Wherever you with your top cut.

[Cease]

Outside them too. I'll probably say probably Amsterdam too.

[Memphis Bleak]

Oh, nobody never picked Amsterdam. That's low key.

[Cease]

That's my spot.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's where I'm moving to. I'm retiring. Amsterdam.

[Cease]

No off. Yeah, I with you. You with Amsterdam?

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, I'm retiring in Amsterdam. When it's all said and done and I'm done doing. I'm retiring in Amsterdam.

[Cease]

Amsterdam is like. I fucks with the vibe there. Job is chill.

[Memphis Bleak]

Amsterdam. Remind me of what if you ever watched a vampire movie, right? That like Transylvania, like. But vampires can't come out to. To the st. Go there. So remember, in the daytime, Amsterdam is tourist out.

[Cease]

Yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

You see everybody like this, pictures for that, all over it, smoking, walk around. When the sun go down, the goons come out.

[Cease]

Yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

Now they out there like this year. Blood, man, what up? Hey, bro, what up? You need what? Bro, Bro, you like all These come from that, like, transform.

[Cease]

That's my spot. And I've been to, like, all parts. Like, it's like a few parts I can't pronounce. Like almad. Something like that. I was just there. We were just there with the Frank White Band. So I'm like, that's a vibe I out there. Because it's. It's 20, you know. Yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

My favorite city. Bulldog. Yeah, yeah, the bulldog. Because you know you. That's the only spot you can smoke and drink in a word.

[Cease]

See, I never been. I wasn't there. I went there when I was there at this, this time I came here.

[Memphis Bleak]

You know, Amsterdam is weird. Like, they zone in laws with the smoking and the liquor.

[Cease]

Like. Yeah, you can't do it every year. You can only do one or the other. Yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yes. But that's the only spot where you can do both and order some food. School maybe having the videos popping. That's my spot.

[Cease]

And it's a hip hop vibe there. So I I with them.

[Memphis Bleak]

Excuse me. That's my spot.

[Cease]

And I could take all of my, you know, my relatives there, who's still single and, you know, they got issues. Take them to the red light, man.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yo, yo, take care, yo.

[Cease]

Go in there, though, for an hour. I'm gonna go in this little. I'm gonna go in this little weed spot right here. Go smoke Gap, man. Go have fun. Call me when you're done.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, I took my wife there.

[Cease]

Go get your life together.

[Memphis Bleak]

You can't do that without with everybody. I took one of the homies to Amsterdam. It was like, dad, do your thing. I had to leave the there. He was in there too long. It was like, yo, fam, that's supposed to be the quickie. Like, we bugging family. I had to leave them, yo, but the price is going back to the hotel.

[Cease]

The price is right out there, though. That's why be in there all. Being there all day, dog.

[Memphis Bleak]

I took wifey to Amsterdam.

[Cease]

Word. Took on a strip.

[Memphis Bleak]

I took care of the whole. Yeah, wifey.

[Cease]

Gotta know, gotta know. Yeah. Ain't nothing wrong with that.

[Memphis Bleak]

Selling trap everywhere.

[Cease]

Yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yo, but out there, that like shopping in a sneaker store.

[Cease]

Yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

She had to know that shit. Like. Yeah. So you could pick out the Uggs. You want them flats with these red ones?

[Cease]

Yeah, it's all type of shit. Yeah, and they design it other ways too. You know, you go in the little building ones too. That's like a hotel. They got. They built billboards out there and everything. Like, that's different. Going to C333 today, yo. Yeah, she did today. Yeah. 333.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yo. Amsterdam, I go front for half a man too.

[Cease]

Yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

Amsterdam American money. But you know, another half a man.

[Cease]

In American money you go get, right? So imagine going in for the first time. He got a. Got a blicky on him. What he going to room. So I'm going to Maria.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, he going. Going to cancel this. I'm going to Bridget.

[Cease]

Yeah, I'm going to Samantha too. While I'm in here. Yeah, he gonna walk out there talking about, damn all these bitch produce. Yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

It went crazy.

[Cease]

And he gonna go reset tomorrow too. He gonna go to another spot. Yeah. So I know go there. They don't want to come back.

[Memphis Bleak]

Amsterdam me up first time going. But you know where really me up. You ever been to New Orleans during Mardi Gras?

[Cease]

Yeah, yeah, I ain't been to in a while, but yeah. Oh, yeah. Different too. But when the last time you was there? Last year?

[Memphis Bleak]

No, I. Listen, I only been to Mardi Gras one time. Was the last time they had this music conference called the Gavin, which was like 1995, bro.

[Cease]

Nah, you ain't been. You ain't been there since I've been.

[Memphis Bleak]

To New Orleans, just not during Mardi Gras. Okay, but listen, that. That should change my life, bro. Like, I remember being out there during that and to be like. Like beads. They showing you the jizzo.

[Cease]

It's like, what?

[Memphis Bleak]

How much the beads. The beads is a $100. Let me get 100 of those real quick.

[Cease]

Yeah, go crazy.

[Memphis Bleak]

I was walking around this fati, huh? Like this.

[Cease]

Trying to go crazy. I'm going crazy.

[Memphis Bleak]

I'm going crazy. That's a fact. Yo, crazy when you having fun.

[Cease]

Double.

[Memphis Bleak]

But that. That was.

[Cease]

But that. That fun was different than that. Today. Yes, Mardi Gras today, yo. Yeah, come on.

[Memphis Bleak]

Freak Nick, bro. Yo, yo, freak Nicknick.

[Cease]

That's crazy.

[Memphis Bleak]

My.

[Cease]

This generation won't be ready for a highway to be shut down.

[Memphis Bleak]

Hell no. They shooting that up.

[Cease]

I cannot be down. They used to be out here.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah.

[Cease]

Oh, my Jack the rapper.

[Memphis Bleak]

When we come out here, shout out Mr. Lee, man. Mr. Lee the work boy.

[Cease]

No, papi. Yo, loco. Loco.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's my man, Mr. Lee.

[Cease]

He still be trying to talk English, but he. He can't get the Spanish lingo off him.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yo, they used to have Miami upside.

[Cease]

Down, my G. How can I be down? Type of weekend.

[Memphis Bleak]

You can't even have those type of events today. Will be trying to put everybody there.

[Cease]

In the pack Zo Weekend. Remember Lonzo? Morning, Zoe. Weekend. That should be out here. Oh, Weekend. Used to be that was the more calm to do out here. It ain't like. It wasn't like Jack the Rapper. I cannot be down. It's more smooth. All the NBA. All the NBA out here. It's like. Like, cool calm going on.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, y' all was outside. See, that's what I mean.

[Cease]

You was in that type of era.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, like, really applying that pressure.

[Cease]

Rolex used to have to pull up over there with Uncle Luke.

[Memphis Bleak]

Rolex.

[Cease]

This one was nothing but booty shaking, yo. Like, no, that's. That's what we was doing. Unless you knew, like, the rap.

[Memphis Bleak]

Rap that if you have was actually going on in Miami, you never really been on.

[Cease]

Yeah. You ain't been to one yet. Miami was like, one of. Come on, man. Like, that pole. That's a. That's a bitty. Yeah, when I came out here, they were. They was coming from. From the fifth floor. I might like. Yo, this crazy.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, y' all was in Miami early. Y' all was out here. It was still some of that fetty Brown, man.

[Cease]

Shout out to Uncle Luke, man. Ain't nothing like that Doodle Brown era in Miami. And I live here in Miami now.

[Memphis Bleak]

See, I ain't playing.

[Cease]

Ain't nothing like that Doodoo Brown.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, I missed that era in Miami, Florida. I got. I got the Trick Daddy Slipping Sly era.

[Cease]

That was a good era, too, though. No, that was a great era, too, because you. It was still crazy. Yeah, yeah. No, that was still era.

[Memphis Bleak]

Luke shows, man. Come on, man.

[Cease]

That's all it was to go to in that era coming up.

[Memphis Bleak]

No one could do what Luke did today. Your ass going under the jail.

[Cease]

Shout out to Uncle Luke. Shout out to the whole Miami, though, trick. Yeah, them type of errors. Club Amnesias, the Cameos, you know, then you had the club space and, you.

[Memphis Bleak]

Know, yo, Cameo been here forever.

[Cease]

Yeah. Hell, yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

Cameo being here forever. A lot of movies been made in Cameo.

[Cease]

My baby.

[Memphis Bleak]

I don't know anything new, man. Any tours coming up?

[Cease]

Nah, so far, I just got the hardest city coming out. Young G's Perspective documentary.

[Memphis Bleak]

Don't forget that.

[Cease]

Young G. You might. You know, I've been. I've been getting requested to do a book for a while, but I really just want to focus on the. You know, I really want to put out some more music, and I've been sitting on a lot of music, too, so. Yeah, man, you know, most of this project is almost done. I'm about to send him a seven clip.

[Memphis Bleak]

Let's go.

[Cease]

So I, I already got a bunch of. Done with a bunch of features and you know, I mean, but that's more what I'm focusing on right now, you know, I mean, so like, like that's two, like main things. Of course, you know, we're gonna. I'm gonna stay on the road. You know what I'm saying?

[Memphis Bleak]

And this is your home. My.

[Cease]

No doubt. Appreciate you.

[Memphis Bleak]

Come on, man. You know what I mean?

[Cease]

Rock solid. This ain't.

[Memphis Bleak]

Listen, they never let us. The young get out. They always think just the young to the big ho.

[Cease]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

This is our voice.

[Cease]

No doubt.

[Memphis Bleak]

It's my voice. This is your voice.

[Cease]

I appreciate it.

[Memphis Bleak]

Anytime you wanna. I don't give a. If you want to tell, vote.

[Cease]

Yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

If you want to tell, go give their heart check. Whatever you want to say.

[Cease]

This is, you know, Rockefeller, you know, no rock stop. You know what I mean? Like, I've been. Come on, we've been. We've been like this for. We've been connected for a long time. So it was only right we did this. Everybody been asking for me. Sit down. So I gotta start being like a. I gotta stop being a co host on Just come Crash.

[Memphis Bleak]

And that's what I'm telling you.

[Cease]

Who you got today? I'm coming to Crash. You know what I'm saying? Hey, we put it together, but everything you're doing, bro, I'm proud of you. Everything you're doing, still working, still striving, still, still rocking you still brand, you know, you doing your.

[Memphis Bleak]

So you know what I'm saying. Forget it.

[Cease]

Love you, bro.

[Memphis Bleak]

Appreciate you, my brother. You know it do. Say for life, baby. Rock solid. Yeah. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen to your favorite shows at. And you can follow me on any social media social media platform under the name Memphis Bleak. You see anybody frauding, flag them.

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[Cease]

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