Peter Gunz | ROC Solid w/ Memphis Bleek

Summary

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ROC Solid with Memphis Bleek

Episode: Peter Gunz | ROC Solid w/ Memphis Bleek
Date: December 30, 2025
Podcast: ROC Solid (The Black Effect/iHeartPodcasts)

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Overview

In this episode of ROC Solid, host Memphis Bleek sits down with Bronx hip-hop legend Peter Gunz for a candid, wide-ranging conversation about growing up in New York, the realities of the music industry, his family legacy, life lessons, and his ventures in television and media. The discussion blends personal stories, hip-hop history, and advice, all in an unfiltered, authentic Roc-a-Fella tone.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Peter Gunz’s Upbringing and Musical Roots

• Early Life in the Bronx
  • Peter paints a vivid picture of growing up surrounded by music, hardship, and resilience, crediting his family and neighborhood for his musical foundation (05:41).
  • “My moms and pops was into different types of music. 50s, doo wop, jazz... always around the house. So I’m a musician first, a lot of people don’t know.” – Peter Gunz (05:50)
• The Other Side of the 1980s
  • He candidly describes the impact of addiction and poverty on his family, balancing honest reflection with humor.
  • “My 80s was the other side of that. There’s another side to that story people never talk about.” – Peter Gunz (06:13)
• Influence of Bronx Hip-Hop Pioneers
  • Grew up idolizing Grandmaster Caz and the Cold Crush Brothers, even naming his son Kaz out of admiration.
  • “I idolized Grandmaster Caz. I even named my son Kaz after him.” – Peter Gunz (07:12)

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2. Journey to Hip-Hop Success

• Early Groups and Linking with Lord Tariq
  • Discusses his crew "Gun Runners," the chemistry with Lord Tariq, and the origins of their collaboration (10:08).
  • “We was like Wu-Tang before Wu-Tang…the same plan. All was seven of us.” – Peter Gunz (10:13)
• Breakout Hit: “Deja Vu (Uptown Baby)”
  • The unexpected, organic success story behind the classic New York anthem (13:28).
  • “I thought the record was a local Bronx...if just the Bronx, you know, in the clubs, that’s all I saw...Who would think a record like that [would blow]? Me, not at all.” – Peter Gunz (13:40)
  • “LL Cool J was like, my...If you do that, I’m not gonna speak to you again. He wanted the authenticity of it.” – Peter Gunz (15:46)

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3. Dealing with Fame, Money, and the Industry

• Navigating New Money and Distractions
  • Peter and Bleek share stories about the derailments that come with sudden wealth.
  • “Every artist, I think that happened…I made it, I don’t gotta work no more.” – Memphis Bleek (13:00)
• Working with Shaquille O’Neal
  • Peter recounts collaborating with Shaq and the wild story of Shaq helping him out of legal trouble (16:10–19:23).
  • “Shaq is one of those people would never be…He’s still lit. He’s still super.” – Peter Gunz (19:28)
  • Notable: Peter almost missed the opportunity due to probation, but Shaq intervened with authorities (18:42).

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4. Transition to Television and Media

• Love & Hip Hop Reality TV Experience
  • Peter opens up about joining VH1’s Love & Hip Hop and the personal/cultural fallout, including how he brought authenticity rather than manufactured drama (30:30–37:07).
  • “I just didn’t think about everybody else…my friends, family...my daughter got into fights at school, ‘cause people was like, your father’s…” – Peter Gunz (33:31)
  • “90% of what you’ve seen on Peter Gunz on that show is Peter Gunz.” – Peter Gunz (34:42)
• The Creep Squad Legacy and Critique
  • Humorous yet insightful discussion on reality TV’s editing and narrative manipulation, and Peter’s regret of not “faking” his story for the cameras.
  • “A lot of niggas go in there with fake stories. I regret not doing that because, you know, I gave one the real.” – Peter Gunz (36:39)
• Becoming the Host of Cheaters
  • Addresses the irony of him (a known "creep") hosting “Cheaters” and the response from the public and network brass (40:46–45:41).
  • “Who better to go after you than me? I know all the tricks.” – Peter Gunz (41:14)
  • On resistance to his hosting internationally: “I lost three countries, two continents because I hired a black host…” – Peter Gunz (45:12)

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5. Fatherhood, Family, and Legacy

• Raising Cory Gunz
  • Peter reflects on raising his son, noted lyricist Cory Gunz, as a single father with the help of his own mother (57:32).
  • “Cory would be in the studio everything. And Cory was studying the best, man. I only listened to lyricists.” – Peter Gunz (57:52)
  • On not wanting his son in the rap game: “This business could be fucked up. You don’t want your kid to go through highs and lows in this business.” (58:23)
  • Notable moment: Peter describes passing up “dumbing down” Cory’s skill for industry expectations and appreciates Guru’s support (68:57–70:49).
• Strong Co-Parenting & Family Structure
  • Bleek compliments Peter's "two good mothers" and the challenge of fathering a large family (56:41).
  • “I got ten kids. I had kids before those kids. Cory is…” – Peter Gunz (56:42)

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6. Securing Growth Beyond Hip-Hop

• Entering Media for Practical Reasons
  • Refers to financial motivation for expanding into television—“I went to the ATM one day and that told me to get the fuck out of here.” – Peter Gunz (25:39)
• Advice for Evolving with the Game
  • Discusses shifting from striving for hits to focusing on longevity and authenticity.
  • “I’m a firm believer whether it’s one or 1,000, I’m still do my thing…that one can tell 1,000, 100…” – Memphis Bleek (25:04)

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7. Critiquing Modern Rap and Hip-Hop Culture

• On the Current State of the Game
  • Both Bleek and Peter voice mixed feelings about current trends—appreciating artists with talent, critiquing glorification of violence and social media culture.
  • “I can’t…The skirts and, you know, talent none…when somebody’s saying I’m smoking on a 15-year-old…can’t fuck with that.” – Peter Gunz (64:36 & 65:39)
  • “A lot of artists today go viral for content over craft.” – Memphis Bleek (68:43)
• Generational Transmission in Hip-Hop
  • On the industry’s changing standards: “People got to smarten up for you…Don’t dumb down for people.” – Memphis Bleek (70:21)

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8. Personal Growth, Motivation, and Philosophy

• Dealing with Past Mistakes Publicly
  • Peter is frank about dealing with his flaws, especially as a father, and the challenge of public scrutiny (49:16).
  • “You just got to keep it pushing, man. I’m not…And we joke a lot, but I’m not proud when little kids run up on me in the street, go, ‘I’m creep squad too.’ That’s not a good example…” – Peter Gunz (49:41)
• Living Authentically
  • On being transparent and “never fronting”: “When it’s bad, it’s bad. I’m not scared to say it.” – Peter Gunz (37:08)

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9. Looking Forward: Projects & New Directions

• New Music under “Billy White” Persona
  • Upcoming project, The Diary of Billy White, described as live, left-field, and very personal (60:01; 83:08).
  • “The difference with what I’m doing now is what I want to do…it’s all up…doing it for me.” – Peter Gunz (83:26)
• TV Projects: “Gravesend” with Shaq & Saigon
  • Involved in TV series set in Brooklyn, featuring hip-hop legends (83:36).
  • “Graves in Diary of Billy White, the rock Star…lot of content coming out.” – Peter Gunz (85:08)
• Enduring Love for Hip-Hop & Musicianship
  • Stays grounded as a musician: “At this age, man, I play guitar, I write rhymes.” – Peter Gunz (51:17)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Bronx authenticity:
  “The Bronx wasn’t in the best place when we put that record out…just a reminder that if it wasn’t for the Bronx, you know…” – Peter Gunz (23:12)

• On moving into reality TV:
  “Yo, chill. He said, I went to the ATM and that said, you know better you doing here.” – Memphis Bleek (25:48)

• On hip hop’s roots in struggle:
  “Poverty produced some of the most talented people in the world. Because you knew I didn’t want to live like this. This ain’t the way. So I have to figure something out.” – Memphis Bleek (09:41)

• On fatherhood and legacy:
  “He was who he said he was. He was honest. He was real. Never tried to front like he was something he wasn’t…But I’m a man mostly. I’m not to be played with.” – Peter Gunz (77:14)

• On supporting the next generation:
  “Even if I don’t listen to the music, I still give them that stream…We’re gonna support.” – Memphis Bleek (77:49)

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Important Timestamps

| Timestamp | Topic / Segment | |---------------|------------------------------------------------------------------| | 05:41 | Peter Gunz on childhood and music in the Bronx | | 10:08 | Formation of the Gun Runners; meeting Lord Tariq | | 13:28 | “Deja Vu” origins and impact | | 16:10–19:23 | Collaborating with Shaquille O’Neal; the legal saga | | 25:39 | Why Peter entered the media/TV world | | 30:30–37:07 | Love & Hip Hop – authenticity in reality TV | | 40:46–45:41 | Hosting Cheetahs; public reaction and behind-the-scenes insight | | 57:32 | Parenting Cory Gunz & fatherhood philosophy | | 60:01 | New music as “Billy White” | | 64:36 | Reflections on modern hip hop | | 70:21 | Advice for Cory; changing industry standards | | 77:14 | What Peter wants to be remembered for | | 83:08 | Upcoming projects (“Gravesend”, Diary of Billy White, more) |

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Tone & Language

Both Memphis Bleek and Peter Gunz are unfiltered, conversational, and often humorous—sharing real-life lessons, unchecked opinions, and the occasional rowdy story. Their rapport is brotherly, respectful, and rooted in New York hip-hop culture. The episode balances light-hearted moments with sobering reflections, delivered in their authentic urban vernacular.

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For Listeners

This episode is a must-listen for hip-hop heads, fans of Peter Gunz and Memphis Bleek, and anyone intrigued by the behind-the-scenes life of MCs who’ve weathered both poverty and fame. Their stories are rich with history, hard-won wisdom, and plenty of NYC flavor.

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Stay ROC Solid.

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[Memphis Bleak]

This your main man, Memphis Bleak, right here. Welcome to Rock Solid, a production of iHeartRadio and the Black Effect Network in partnership with my guys over at Drink Champs. Big whipping. Yeah, Memphis, I'm back at it. Notice the difference. Just more grown prey. No stones. Yeah, y', all, you already know what it is. Yours truly back with another exclusive of Rock Solid podcast. Like I tell you, when you see people sitting on this platform, it's two things. One, they my brother. Two, they definitely solid. And this man to the left of me right here, welcome Peter Guns to the building. He's nothing but solid and been a big bro to me in this industry. Every time I seen him, he gave me nothing but gems, jewels and love to go off with. And take how I take it. And let it grow on my tree the way it grow. And I appreciate you for that. One of the hip hop legends from New York, Bronx, Harlem, all that shit the same to me. Cause I'm from Brooklyn. Hello, you know. Hello. Welcome my Peter Guns to the building. My G. Love my brother. Let's toast one, man. Come on. Good to see you, man.

[Peter Guns]

I need you to. I need you to do the intro to my show, man. That was beautiful.

[Memphis Bleak]

My brother, man. How you been? My gift.

[Peter Guns]

Good, man. Hanging in there, working.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's right.

[Peter Guns]

You know, I got these mouths. Gotta do something.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's right, man. I see you everywhere. My you everywhere. I can't turn on the tv without seeing guns.

[Peter Guns]

My G. Yeah, it's work now, man. You know, it's. It's. The music industry's a little weird. So you gotta go out there and figure it out another way.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's a fact.

[Peter Guns]

That's always been the case in my life before.

[Memphis Bleak]

We talk about present. Cause everybody know what's going on. Present.

[Peter Guns]

Right.

[Memphis Bleak]

Let's give them a refresher. Let's go back. You know what I mean? Back. Born and raised in the Bronx.

[Peter Guns]

Yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

How did the upbringing shape your musical impact? Like how you got in the game and made you want to do this music thing?

[Peter Guns]

Well, from a kid, you know, my parents, my moms and pops was into different types of music. 50s, mostly doo wop. They, you know, we older, so there's doo wop music, jazz music, always around the house. So I'm a musician first. A lot of people don't know.

[Memphis Bleak]

I saw that, you playing the guitar, drums, guitar, keyboards.

[Peter Guns]

So I was always a musician. And then my. I come from the other side of the game. There's another side of the game people don't know. So you got hov. And, you know, I was getting it in the. In the drug game. I grew up with a household full of drug addicts. My three older brothers was on crack. One of my brothers was on heron. So there's another side to it. So people. People used to be like guns. You never talk about. When he was getting into the 80s. My 80s was different from a lot of other people's 80s. My 80s was the other side of that. There's another side to that story people never talk about. So if you ever hear me talk about when I'm rhyming, you don't much hear me say stuff about drugs. I grew up with, you know, cousins, everybody. I caught the other side of that era. So I had an older brother in particular that if my father bought me a guitar, nigga was stealing me, selling it. And my boys that was hustling outside, they'll bring shit back. But my mother keep letting them in, stealing shit. So shit like that.

[Memphis Bleak]

Everybody had that family member.

[Peter Guns]

Yeah, I had that side of the game. But eventually he couldn't still rap. So I grew up on the block where the Cold Crush brothers was from. And I idolized Grandmaster Cass. I even named my son Kaz after him. One of my son's name is Kaz because that's how much he inspired me. And I just started rapping, man, you know, playing drums, playing on, whatever I could play writing and rhyming and I was more on a. I was more on a LL Cool J, Big Daddy King, because I thought street dudes that also get the girls. That's what I was thinking.

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[Memphis Bleak]

That's right.

[Peter Guns]

So my first rap name is Pete Lovel.

[Memphis Bleak]

Everybody had the love on their name back then.

[Peter Guns]

So my cousins from Virginia would come up, bring guns up, and I sell a gun that they paid for $200 for 650, this and that. Oh, and then eventually I got caught, and when I came out, man in my building said, you can't be Pete Lover no more. You peed a gun. I just threw a Z on it. And the rest was history. But, yeah, so musically, I'm a musician. Once shit start popping, I start buying instruments again and playing my instruments and, you know, and getting it going. But it's impossible to be where I'm from and not rap. It was just impossible. Cold Crush were there. The furious five. All the. All the. Early. Early on. Because I'm 57. So I was right there. Right. I was on the. I was right under those guys.

[Memphis Bleak]

What music? Hip hop. Only 67 by the time hip hop is only 60. So you watch the Birth of hip Hop, literally from the Bronx. From your. From the background.

[Peter Guns]

Every building on my block burned down except mine. So you would. People don't know. That was like. It was like.

[Memphis Bleak]

I remember the Bronx. Yeah. The Bronx was a bunch of abandoned lots, abandoned buildings. If you ever burned down cars, all of that. When I was a shorty, if you.

[Peter Guns]

Ever googled President Carter when he came to the Bronx, that's my neighborhood he's standing in. Yes, right there.

[Memphis Bleak]

Damn, that's crazy.

[Peter Guns]

When it's all burned down, he was like, I can't believe this is New York or America. Yeah. But, you know, the crazy thing is, still, with all of this stuff, I'm telling you, still had an amazing time. Amazing life. I'm built for anything.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's right.

[Peter Guns]

Them hard times, there's nothing that can happen to me that I'm not built for.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's right. That's what I tell you.

[Peter Guns]

And it was only going up. It was only up to go. There's no way. It's no further than this. So my moms and pops did the best they could do. That's right. And I come from a huge family, a big family. So we did, you know, everybody wanted to be with us. Even though we might have been the poorest.

[Memphis Bleak]

You still was the coolest.

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[Peter Guns]

It was fun to be around us. So just, you know, you take Those things. And you turn those stumbling blocks into stepping stones. My mother used to say, you turn the stumbling. And that's what we did.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's a fact, man. I tell a lot of people, man. Poverty produced some of the most talented people in the world. Because you knew I didn't want to live like this. This ain't the way. So I have to figure something out. And this is what all we had. And all we had was us. So being from hip hop, man, the birth of hip hop, it's so much history in the bx. How did you and Lord Tariq link up? Like, how that relationship started?

[Peter Guns]

I was in this crew called the Gun Runners.

[Memphis Bleak]

Literally.

[Peter Guns]

Yeah, these niggas was nice, man. Let me tell you. You can ask kissing them. They always say gun Runners. Gun Runners, Swiss beats. They fucked with us hard. It's before they came out, they was listening to us. You know, I'm older than them. That's right. So we was like Wu Tang before Wu Tang. The same plan. We all was. Seven of us. We all gonna go. And this gonna lead into another story. It's the truth. We all gonna go out and we gonna do this album together, and we gonna all get separate deals. And I wanna say Wu Ting came out and just took the. Put the pen in the balloon. Because everybody went back to selling crack and doing, like, nah, they already did it. But Tariq, it was already like seven of us. And my sister came home one day and said, my boyfriend rap. He wanna. He wants you to hear me, want you to get. He want to get down with y'. All. I was like, oh, man, there's too many in this group already. And then when she told me who he was, I said, hey, down with the Money Boss Players. And she was like, yeah, but he wanna. He want to rock with y', all, too. We want to rock with you. So I said, all right. One day, I was in my room, he came in. I pressed tape. I had a beat tape going. Nigga started rhyming. I said, that nigga better than all of us. He in. And I went downstairs and told my niggas, yo, my sister boyfriend is dead. Nice brought him down. He been, you know, his family since he. Him and my sister married, man. Grown kids, grandkids. Yeah. So they still together.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yo, that's dope. Cause I was about to say your sister boyfriend, y'.

[Peter Guns]

All.

[Memphis Bleak]

Rap group. I know Tor you was like, you better not.

[Peter Guns]

Nah, I'm not that nigga, bro. One thing I don't do, one thing I don't do is watch what another nigga doing with his joint. I'm too busy working mine.

[Memphis Bleak]

But that's sister love, man. You know, we die for our sisters.

[Peter Guns]

Of course. But, yo, you a hypocrite. Guns come on, my nigga. You out here doing somebody else. Sister dirty.

[Memphis Bleak]

I'm definitely a hypocrite.

[Peter Guns]

Yo. So what I. What I try to do was I'm on this side of the hotel. He on that side of the hotel. The tour bus. Is the tour bus. But, yeah, it was. It was. Listen, my sister came to me. She gonna kill me for this. But I don't give a fuck what Tariq doing. What he doing on the road.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, I know that. That's what sis supposed.

[Peter Guns]

What I'm supposed to say. Oh, he fuck mad.

[Memphis Bleak]

No, I don't know. That's the part I don't know. I was never putting that part.

[Peter Guns]

I don't know. But you're dealing with a rock star, so you should use your common sense. That's what I wanted to say. Use your common sense. You know what? They was young, we was young, and we was torn. You can't help it, man. You go from. We went from flat broke to just now 10,000 in this pocket. 10, because you back in the days, they paid you in cash. Just money, broads. And that's what took me, Tariq, so long to work the album out. Cause we was just new money and lost focus a little bit.

[Memphis Bleak]

Every. Every artist, I think that happened. I think every one of us got that story of the new money. I made it. I don't got to work no more.

[Peter Guns]

I'm lit.

[Memphis Bleak]

This is everything I worked for.

[Peter Guns]

Yo, we going to Times Square so you can see these niggas go crazy when I walk out dumb like that.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah.

[Peter Guns]

But, yeah, so that. And you know something that you gotta remember. I didn't get on till late in life, so you gotta remember I was 26 or 27 when the record came out. Like I came.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's what I was.

[Peter Guns]

I've been rhyming since 1980.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's what I was gonna talk about. Let's talk about deja vu, man. And that record, like. And the impact. Did you foresee. Did you think when y' all made that record that it was gonna do what it did?

[Peter Guns]

Hell, no. Hell, no. We'll be honest with you. I thought the record was a local Bronx. If. If just the Bronx, you know, in the clubs, that's all I saw. Because you gotta remember, it's. It's really about New York. The Bronx. The bars is 20 something bar, rap bars. The hook is 16 bars. And it's about an area. So who would think a record like that? Me. Not at all. And it was just a chance. Let me tell you something, Tariq, true story. Tariq kept saying, I ain't your suit. We went to the Grammys with this one. I used to be like, bah, I'm working on some pop over here. Because, you know, me and Tariq is totally opposite. I'm playing guitar on my. I'm like, this. This one ain't it. We gotta keep going. He was like, nah. And I was signed already when I went to Tariq. And I was already signed to Shaq when I made that record.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, I was. I was my name.

[Peter Guns]

So we'll get there. So, no, the answer to your question is no. And. And to be honest with you, it was a chant that I used to say. Escape key, the tunnel and everything. Because Brooklyn and Harlem be Harlem, Brooklyn. So I say, yo, if it wasn't for the Bronx rap and y' all go uptown, that's gonna be our refrain. And Clarice said, yo, you know that shit you used to do? SK Key. Put that in this. And that's how that shit happened. Damn.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's. Yo, bro, that hook is known. I don't give a. If you go from here, you could be in Bangladesh somewhere. That song coming on in the club, bro, I done been everywhere in this world and that song is playing.

[Peter Guns]

Let me tell you why. Glad you said that. I kept talking about the localness of it, right. Tommy Mottola and them called me to the office and said, guns, y' all stuck at gold. It won't go no higher than gold. You want to go platinum, Double platinum. Do a hook for every state and do these countries for me. I was like, no, because I'm the singing the New York Got Crazy game. So then I gotta go la, get crazy loot. If it wasn't me being scared. I had to do that for two days straight. Singing that. Two days, we're gonna send you a bottle. We gonna send you this. They since. So I'm in the studio singing for London, this place. And when. But he was right. As soon as that happened, that went everywhere. Yeah. So that's why they know it, because they. It's versions for every area in the world. LL Cool J was like, my. If you do that, I'm not gonna speak to you again. He wanted the authenticity of it. He's like, don't make them met you. So he called me Said, yo, I just heard a LA version that almost crashed my car. You doing my.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yo. So you said. You said, shaq, I was gonna ask you. Shout out Shaquille o', Neal, man. One of the most dominant forces in NBA history, could never be denied historic ball play. Everybody wanted to be as big and dunkish like Shaq 100, straight up. How did that relationship happen again, you know?

[Peter Guns]

Shout out to Lord Tariq. Tariq was signed over at Interscope. And Interscope told Tariq, yo, we want you to go to Orlando, work with Shaquille o', Neal, help him write some stuff. Whatever. Whatever. Shout out to O. Yeah, so he went to. He went to Orlando, and he didn't do, like, a lot of. Got there and said, yo, I could pin some stuff for you. But my brother Guns, he do pop stuff. He do stuff like. He do the clean. She's nasty. You got to bring him out here. Shaq called me and said, you know, he had Shaq on the phone, say, yo, flying you out tomorrow. Shout out to Frank Edwards and Hassan and all the people that was involved with that. So I called my P.O. said, I got a job. I gotta go out of town. I ain't gonna be able to go. Cause I was on probation for a gun charge. Crazy. I was on probation and I had a job at a dry cleaners. Cause they was like, get a job or you going back? So I was working at a dry cleaners. And I called my PO Trying to be honest. Cause I knew I was gonna be gone. I said, yo, listen, Shaquille o' Neal just called me and she said, yeah, Prince and Michael Jackson's performing at my bar mitzvah. Out of here. Stay here. If you go, I'm locking you up when you get back. I got on the first thing smoking straight out.

[Memphis Bleak]

See you later.

[Peter Guns]

Three months.

[Memphis Bleak]

I see you later, PO lady.

[Peter Guns]

Three months linked with the big fella. Pause. Because I know gonna say that. Thank you. But my kids. I got young kids that won't let me get away with nothing. So I'm back in.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, yeah, I understand. But you ain't tell them get the rock when they was a baby.

[Peter Guns]

No, man.

[Memphis Bleak]

Exactly. Told them, get the ball. Yeah, so they better stop front sometime.

[Peter Guns]

I say, just so they can pause. I just say, all type of. But when I get there, we not only did me and this dude hit it off like we knew each other forever. Not only was I help giving them. You know, we was writing and Biggie was coming through. Jay did something here, but he came down to the. To the. To. We was in. Damn. Where were we when we worked with Jay? Because he didn't do his there. He did in the studio. But he came down to do an event with us, him and Dame then. But you know, it's. You name it, they come.

[Memphis Bleak]

Michael Jackson, everybody, man.

[Peter Guns]

Everybody's coming through. To do with Shaq. Because he was on fire at that time. So then he said, we going to China and we going to Bangladesh. We're going to Reebok. Put up a thing for him, man. I went everywhere, came back handcuffed.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yo, it was. Your lady wasn't lying. How much time they gave you for the violation?

[Peter Guns]

No, they didn't give me no time. She just click, click, clack. You won't go to Rikers Island. We'll work it out from there. Shaq ended up signing basketballs, taking pictures, doing. He was. Yo, he did everything in that. And they let me out and they got me. They let me off probation, man. So shout out to Ms. Vegas.

[Memphis Bleak]

Damn. He even got you off probation because he was shacked. God damn.

[Peter Guns]

Shaq is one of those people would never be.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, that's different level lit.

[Peter Guns]

He's still lit. He's still super.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's different level lit.

[Peter Guns]

Yeah, it was. People would just.

[Memphis Bleak]

Was he. Was he. He wasn't the. He wasn't Orlando PD Shaq yet. Right?

[Peter Guns]

He was just Shaq. But he was always messing with the. No matter where he went, he messed with the Shaq.

[Memphis Bleak]

Cause niggas don't know Shaq.

[Peter Guns]

So Trench with the police, Shaq the law. He with the law.

[Memphis Bleak]

Shaq lock you up.

[Peter Guns]

Shaq is with the law. And he with the streets. I never seen no shit like it. You'll see the most fucking vill feeling crip in the world hanging with Shaq. And then you'll see Shaq with like the chief of police. He's like. That's what it was. He. He always teetered the line between.

[Memphis Bleak]

Because everybody. Everybody with Shaq, bro. That's what I'm telling you. Don't matter who you are.

[Peter Guns]

Yeah. So they was on some groupie letting me off probation after they locked me up. They should. But I think it was more like it sound. I get it. It sound like imagine came in your office that don't have two nickels to run together, have fucking on, you know, out here. Tell you, oh, yeah, I'm getting ready to go on tour with Shaq. You gonna be like, yeah, what?

[Memphis Bleak]

But my. They made Meek Mill start a campaign. He had to get hov football owners. Everybody had to get involved.

[Peter Guns]

Yeah. They wanted to make example out of certain me. I was a nobody.

[Memphis Bleak]

If we didn't knew all we had to do was call Shaq.

[Peter Guns]

I was just. Yo, bro, was it the perfect storm? Cause it wasn't just a phone call. He liked me.

[Shopify Advertiser / Narrator]

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[Peter Guns]

You know what I mean? So that's not a call he probably would have made for everybody. Like, he did everything he could. And I. I left there, went and got my bags and went right back to Orlando. This cute.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yo, the O. Orlando is beautiful.

[Peter Guns]

I love Orlando.

[Memphis Bleak]

A lot of people don't know, man. They think it's just. They think it's just, you know, Disney World. Nah, man. The O. I love Orlando. It's litty. They got a major nightlife. The food is insane. The restaurants they got. I be trying to tell people, man.

[Peter Guns]

Oh, it's crazy.

[Memphis Bleak]

I love it. I love it. Shout out to O.

[Peter Guns]

Back to what you were saying. So the star power of a person can make anybody change. I'm gonna give you an example. Me and Tariq did a song with Tatiana Ali. It was off the same beat all day long. I Dream of you was only real hit. Rodney Jerkins produced it. And we was good friends with Rodney. Rodney had a group signed over Shaq label. So Rodney would call me and say, guns, I need you and Tariq on this joint. And I'm like, I'm not rhyming over that beat no more. It was our only joint. And that's all they know is for. We gonna just keep rhyming. I'm done. I'm not doing it. Call me a mad times. Guns, come on, man. She's here. She do this joint. I was like, I'm not doing it. Will said he got money for you. He'll throw you 20. Just 20 real quick. Just not doing it, bro.

[Memphis Bleak]

Will Smith. Yeah, throw you 20 racks.

[Peter Guns]

Just jump on the joint.

[Memphis Bleak]

You know you was getting too much money. Turn down a check for oh, nigga.

[Peter Guns]

You know, when I look back at some of the I did I back then, I was so stupid.

[Memphis Bleak]

I'm not.

[Peter Guns]

I'm not performing Christmas Day, I'm staying. My family, they would double the money. I still wouldn't go. So when you get older, you like, damn, what was I thinking? You.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, I know. We all been there. I told you. We all. I got that. We all been there.

[Peter Guns]

The Rodney end up send Will Smith to the studio. I'm somewhere in the studio. This walking in a cowboy outfit because he's filming that movie. Some cowboy Movie.

[Memphis Bleak]

His worst movie ever.

[Peter Guns]

He was filming that. He came in, he got a big.

[Memphis Bleak]

Check, but I hated it.

[Peter Guns]

Yeah, I didn't like it either. But the came in and said, yo, I need you to do this song. And I said, oh, Will Smith. All right. And Rodney them was like, damn. This asked you one time. You doing it. We've been asking for two months. So, you know, we all certain. Certain ask. She's like, all right, man. That's Will Smith.

[Memphis Bleak]

I feel you, yo. What you feel? Your biggest contribution to the culture has been.

[Peter Guns]

I'm just proud of. I think the Bronx wasn't in the best place when we put that record out, you know? Come on, man. Brooklyn. I ain't gonna find Brooklyn in the chokehold still. Queens. Chokehold still, you know, in the Bronx. It was just spurts of things. And I just never forget how happy Kaz, Grandmaster Kaz and Cool Herkinem was when they heard the Wrecking. Because they expressed to me how. How much that meant to them. Just to say if it wasn't just a reminder that if it wasn't for the Bronx, you know, so. That's right, that. That I just think the OGs, the look on their faces, the people that I looked up to growing up with Kaz and the Cold Crush Brothers, shout out to Easy Ad, my brother. But, yeah, the Cold Crush, who I idolized, that was. They was from the hood and they was, you know, they were stars to us. Even though nobody outside of New York probably knew who the they were back then.

[Memphis Bleak]

They the pioneers, man. Part of the pioneers of this 100.

[Peter Guns]

So I think that would be. That song is my biggest contribution to hip hop. I wouldn't even try to act like I had anything else that I could say is like, you know. But the difference is bleak, honest with you, man, is a way of life. That's right, man. That's why it's like, I make records. I write a song a day. I write all the time, even if I never put it out there, because it's just. It's therapeutic for me.

[Memphis Bleak]

I tell people that all the time. And it wasn't. It wasn't. We didn't start rhyming to get paid. When you got paid, it was like, oh, people really paying me for this. But you just made. We just did it just because it was our way to talk what we was going through, what we felt, what we thought.

[Shopify Advertiser / Narrator]

Yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

You know what I mean? So that's why I'm always love music. I still always continue to do it.

[Peter Guns]

I still do for sure. Never gonna stop. A lot of people be like, yo, you don't put music out. I said, yeah. Cause I don't want to give something some more hate. Oh, you see this nigga drop something and nobody cared. Now I do.

[Memphis Bleak]

No, it's people that care, bro.

[Peter Guns]

But now I don't care.

[Memphis Bleak]

I'm a firm believer whether it's one or 1,000, I'm still do my thing, like, because one, that one can tell 1,000, 100, you know what I'm saying? So I'm a firm believer in that. Yo, I'm new into this media space, you know what I'm saying? I've been watching you do your thing. You've been in this media gang. We gonna take one show at a time. I'm not gonna shoot off all these shows at the same time.

[Peter Guns]

Come on, babe.

[Memphis Bleak]

One stories behind all three. First of all, what was your thought process to even be like it? I'm going into the media space. I'm gonna do this.

[Peter Guns]

I went to the ATM one day and that told me to get the out of here. I won't even try sugar coat for you.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yo, chill. He said, I went to the ATM and that said, you know better you doing here.

[Peter Guns]

You gonna call the cops the away from me.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, yo, chill, yo. That was a good one.

[Peter Guns]

I'll never go try to sugarcoat it. I was on my back. My.

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[Memphis Bleak]

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[Peter Guns]

Ah.

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

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[Peter Guns]

Tha God here.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

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[Peter Guns]

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[Memphis Bleak]

I'm gonna be all the way 100 with you. I remember watching When New York love it Hip hop. They announced the roster. You know, my wife, she into that, you know, reality show. Who?

[Peter Guns]

Girl ain't there. I wasn't watching this. I wish I would have because I don't know what I was in for.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah. So I'm like, yo, all right, cool. So she like, you know any of these people? So I'm going through the list like, yeah, this is my peoples. This is my peoples. That's my dog right there. Yeah, I know shorty, she mad cool. This what? Everything cool as the show going on, babe, we ain't hang out like that. Like it was just a high by day. That's my daughter. I seen him in the studio a few times. We don't kick it like that.

[Peter Guns]

I'm sure my sister was like, yeah, we not really brothers. Let me tell you something, bro. And this on a serious note. When I first did love and hip hop, right, I never really watched it either. I watched Monday night Football. I was like, it, you know, I did a scene with Rich and it went so viral that Rich said, yo, they want you to do enough. They want, they want to talk to you about your story, what your story is. But we'll get to that. But I never looked, I never. It was just a way. It was no malice. And it was like, I'm gonna get Tara a bag. I'm gonna get Amina a bag. She sings. She could, she's an actor. She's beautiful. And then I could get a little money, take care of my little, my mouths, my kids. So that was the original thought process. But when I went interview with Mona and them and I did the interview on Cameron, I was like, listen, man, I'm really messing with this girl. I'm married to her too, by the way. It's hard on. No. Yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

So, you know, they was like, yeah, perfect.

[Peter Guns]

Mina's from Germany. So even though I was working with her on some management stuff, she, you know, I. You know, I can't say too much about it. You know, she wasn't a citizen and all that, you know, I can't go too much into that.

[Memphis Bleak]

No, that's cool.

[Peter Guns]

I will say this. It was when the show called me. I didn't expect the show to call me when they called me. And I'm like, damn, some gonna come out. That ain't supposed to come out.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah.

[Peter Guns]

So, you know, me and Amina had agreement that, you know, we supposed to keep some things we know why we gotta keep it low. But, you know, when the show came on, I around and told Mona and them the truth. Because I didn't want nobody else calling the show saying, yo, they really.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah.

[Peter Guns]

So I told Mona the truth. And Mona, the first day of the show, they took our phones, told Amina, go ahead and tell Rich. Y' all married. After I told her for two months doing this.

[Memphis Bleak]

Don't tell nobody. Yeah, I know. They looked at you like, perfect. This is just what we needed.

[Peter Guns]

And the backlash I got for that first two episodes, I stayed in the house for about a month and a half. I didn't leave my house no way. Yeah, it was bad. And I'm thinking about everybody that's seen it. Same thing you saying. I had to tell my wife. I know him like that. My sisters used to call me Sunday night and be like, nigga, I gotta go to work tomorrow. What did you do, cuz? Monday, she got to go to work on Tuesday.

[Memphis Bleak]

And they like, yo.

[Peter Guns]

And the whole job is like, what the is wrong with your brother? Yo, was he.

[Memphis Bleak]

You a legend, bro.

[Peter Guns]

Yo, so.

[Memphis Bleak]

But you're a legend, man. All right? You a legend.

[Peter Guns]

Love you, bro.

[Memphis Bleak]

I love you. Watching you a legend.

[Peter Guns]

I just didn't think about everybody else. My friends, family, and everybody else, you know, I was like, damn, I didn't think about that. My daughter got into fights at school, cuz. People was like, your father's. You know, that kind of. So, yeah, it went. It went, but it wasn't my intent at all. But once you in it, there's no. And they control the matter narrative. It's no getting around that.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, they gonna chop it up and edit it how they need it to be.

[Peter Guns]

Yeah. So if me and Bleak is sitting here, right, and we talking about Donald Trump and I make a face, and then you say you working on the album. Right. They're gonna put my. My Donald Trump face to your album. So that would happen on the show. People will call me like, Guns. Why you make that face? My. Why the would I make that face? You know how they do it. I'm arguing with Cardi B on the show. They got Tyro on the stage. Tyra wasn't even there.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yo.

[Peter Guns]

Like, Tom was making faces like. Like.

[Memphis Bleak]

Like she was chill. They spin it like that.

[Peter Guns]

They did that.

[Memphis Bleak]

Oh, that's.

[Peter Guns]

I'm not loved them for that.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's real instigators.

[Peter Guns]

But hold on. Let me tell you this. This is a true story. I'm not supposed to even be saying this. I signed a contract not to do that. But I will say this. That's not trying to say they made me do nothing or they did nothing. 90 of what you've seen on Peter Guns on that show is Peter Guns.

[Memphis Bleak]

I just. But listen, I'm from the projects. We all from New York. We all got that front that. That friend that you told something to.

[Peter Guns]

Yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

And then they see the dude and they be like, yo, son, such and such just said when he see you, he gonna do that. You just told me you said that's all they did to y'. All. Right. They instigated. Yeah, I love them for that.

[Shopify Advertiser / Narrator]

Yeah, yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

Mona's a genius.

[Peter Guns]

Listen, I went to Mona one time. Here's a. Here's a good one for you. I go to Mona one time, and I'm like, yo, Mona, man, all my. I'm running to my peers, the rappers. They're like, what made you do that show? And they. They dogging me out, and I want more money sometime. I wouldn't go to set. I need 20, 000. I ain't going to say she needs it. Whatever I started, at least you got.

[Memphis Bleak]

Your lady some money. Cause this. That put out. I did some dude, some. I ain't get nobody a check.

[Peter Guns]

Yeah, well, only thing is, I think they both would agree that's not the way he could have got me a check when they did something. But I'll show you this.

[Memphis Bleak]

Open me up a nail salon or something.

[Peter Guns]

But I will say this, though. Mona showed me a real. And I ain't gonna throw niggas under the bus of all these niggas that was telling me I shouldn't have did the show interviewing Mona. If you just give me a shot, I promise you I'll be good. I got a good story.

[Shopify Advertiser / Narrator]

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[Podcast Host / Announcer]

Yeah.

[Peter Guns]

I said, that nigga did. That nigga told me not to do the show too.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yo, chill. They asked me. They asked me to do it. I told you. The big homie was like, nah, you don't know me. If you do it, you. All right, cool. We don't with each other. So I was gonna do that. I was gonna run with that clip. Me.

[Peter Guns]

I said, pecos, they watching the show up there. Cause you know Pecos was up there.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, Shout Out Pack.

[Peter Guns]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah. Everybody watching. So then I. My wife, she like, I'm never getting on tv. So I'm like, yo, I gotta have a fake wife. She like, fuck, no.

[Peter Guns]

Yeah, that part.

[Memphis Bleak]

So I was trying to get the fake wife for tv.

[Peter Guns]

My shit. I took this, to be honest with you. A lot of niggas go in there with fake stories.

[Memphis Bleak]

I know. And I'd be major cap.

[Peter Guns]

I regret not doing that because, you know, I gave one the real.

[TurboTax / Colgate Advertiser]

Listen.

[Peter Guns]

When I got there, they was like, yo, we gonna put you in this building. Y' all gonna live. I said, nah, nah, it's reality. Let's show them what it really is.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah.

[Peter Guns]

You know, I'm not trying to front. I'm not driving nobody car. I'm not wearing nobody's jewelry. I'm not living in no penthouse. We ain't right here. This is where we live at, right here. I know it ain't the best, but we gonna show what it is. That's right. I never was one to. I guess how I was raised, I didn't. I never like fronting. Like, I just don't have it in me, bro.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, no, I.

[Peter Guns]

When it's bad, it's bad. I'm not scared to say it.

[Memphis Bleak]

You can't fake it. We just make it. Yeah, that's it. I don't fake it till you make it. I just make it.

[Peter Guns]

That's it.

[Memphis Bleak]

Straight up.

[Peter Guns]

I was never gonna live somewhere or drive something that wasn't mine if you front. And I just don't have it in me.

[Memphis Bleak]

Nah, that's dope, man. But, man, then y' all remember watching, right? I never met Rich. I never met half.

[Peter Guns]

You never met Rich?

[Memphis Bleak]

No, I never met Rich. And it's crazy. We know all the same people.

[Peter Guns]

Yeah, Rich was that bad boy.

[Memphis Bleak]

Like, word. What was my other homie name? The. The light skinned homie? Cisco. I never met Cisco.

[Peter Guns]

Hold on, we gotta get this straight, Cisco. I'm sorry. Cisco said he was down with rock.

[Memphis Bleak]

He probably was. Remember, it was a lot of departments on the rock. We had the Spanish side.

[Peter Guns]

He was on the Spanish side.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's what I'm saying.

[Peter Guns]

I don't know all of them.

[Memphis Bleak]

They were speaking Spanish.

[Shopify Advertiser / Narrator]

Oh, shit.

[Memphis Bleak]

I just got down with the Spanish crew.

[Peter Guns]

That's cool.

[Memphis Bleak]

So, yeah, no, I never met him. Right. But then y' all formed the crew, the Creep Squad. And I know you, and I'm like, damn, I'm married now and niggas want to make the coolest gag in the world. The Creep Squad was the. I'm looking at my wife like, you just don't know, shorty. That was lit, man.

[Peter Guns]

It was a lot of flack behind that. But it was just. We was boys and they kept calling us creep. So I said, yo, we the Creep Squad. Squad.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's right.

[Peter Guns]

Rest. And it stuck.

[Memphis Bleak]

And.

[Peter Guns]

But here's the funny thing. When I walk down the street, right? When I walk down the street, even coming here, your guns. Can I get down with the street.

[Memphis Bleak]

The Creep Squad. I'm telling you.

[Peter Guns]

I said, you going to tell your girl that your wife, that's. Then you can't be in. You got keeping a buck, yo.

[Memphis Bleak]

But yo, you're the only married in the Creep Squad.

[Peter Guns]

Chill out. I'm divorced, man. I'm divorced.

[Memphis Bleak]

Seriously.

[Peter Guns]

Yeah, we. We got divorced. Right, right.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah. No way. I don't like bringing up. I don't like bringing up people personal, like relationships.

[Peter Guns]

You my brother, man, and I'm.

[Memphis Bleak]

But we ain't even getting to that. I just got a question, because I never knew a twin mess with a twin. Did you ever get them confused?

[Peter Guns]

Like, early on?

[Memphis Bleak]

Look at the sister be like, what up, baby? She like, don't play with me.

[Peter Guns]

Early on. Early on, I asked Amina about her sister and she said, she's married. I said, oh, shout out to. Shout out to my man Flowers. That's my guy. I think she was married at the time with a kid. She says, oh, she married with a kid. And then Amina was messing with a guy new. A musician. And you know, so she wasn't single. But then eventually things went where they went.

[Memphis Bleak]

It's New York. We don't care. You single to us. Yeah, nobody single. They just become available. That part, you know what I mean? Everybody got somebody for sure. Somebody. You be like them chicks or even. I ain't got no. You got somebody. You call and be like 100%.

[Peter Guns]

We was all.

[Memphis Bleak]

But we were Friends need that adjustment.

[Peter Guns]

Me and Amina made music. She had a man. I had a situation at home, but we would record. She played piano. I play guitars, play guitar, play drums, and just write songs there. And the rest. I'm not gonna sit here in front to nobody. Like, I didn't think nothing was gonna happen. I knew it was just a bitch.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, yeah. The music is playing, the vibes is going. We vibing, we catching eye contact. You on the keys, I'm on the guitar. Shit like a movie scene. It's inevitable. Her man was supposed to be right there on that couch for a long time.

[Peter Guns]

For a long time, I was hitting her with the. Ah. Then a week, man, after a week.

[Memphis Bleak]

Let'S get off of love and hip hop. The illest shit I ever seen in my life was you on Cheetahs. Was like, what?

[Peter Guns]

How.

[Shopify Advertiser / Narrator]

How you.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yo, how did you become the host of Cheetahs when the whole world just seen you going craz? Yo, that's like. That's like a. Who sell drugs, chasing the drug dealers.

[Peter Guns]

Like, yeah, who better to go after you than me? I know all the tricks.

[Memphis Bleak]

You telling on the creep squad.

[Peter Guns]

Yeah, man, I was telling him you.

[Memphis Bleak]

Going against the very oath you made.

[Peter Guns]

Here's the crazy. I would. I would. Yo, I would come on TV before I got on it. I turn the tv, oh, these niggas gonna sit. He gonna see some of my lives on this. I used to be like, this show will get me up. But then the. The host of the show died.

[Memphis Bleak]

Oh.

[Peter Guns]

30 years old. Clark Gable. Clark Gable III. Clark Gable's grandson.

[Memphis Bleak]

Damn. I ain't know that.

[Peter Guns]

God bless. Don't worry. Overdose or some crazy. And my manager behind my back at the time just sent an email to the show, said, you know what? I think Peter Guns would be a good. It'd be funny if he was hosting the show. And shout out to Bobby Goldstein. He's the owner, CEO. The show went to an office in the meeting, said, what do you guys in here thinking? Peter Gunn's hosted the show. He said, everybody jumped up and went crazy. If you could get him, lock him in. So he flew me to Dallas, we met, had dinner, and the rest was history. I moved to Dallas. I got crib in Dallas to this day. So I moved to Dallas to start filming the show. And I thought it would. You know what I appreciated? Yeah, man, I'm glad you brought that up. What I appreciated about the show was he said you could. There's only two rules. You can't use your. Your stage Name. You gotta use your government name, which I hate. But I'm like, if that's the rules. Because they paid me.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah.

[Peter Guns]

And green screen. I need you to do green screen like I wrote it. But in the streets, do you.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah.

[Peter Guns]

Be who you are. Do it how you want. So that's why you see me. You're my man. You don't see what it is. I'm talking streets.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, I know. You be like, yo, fam, you caught. You caught. Where you going? You caught. What you doing?

[Peter Guns]

So the goes, it's on tmz. It's all over shavings, all in block. It's blowing up. Everybody trying to fight.

[Memphis Bleak]

You one of them, right?

[Peter Guns]

Yeah, I got sued from fighting. And they go on the show. No.

[Memphis Bleak]

Cause nope, I'm suing.

[Peter Guns]

He was. No. Because he was getting. He was. He was getting aggressive with this girl. And I was like, my man, you can't. I have a thing about hitting on women.

[Memphis Bleak]

No, that's a fact.

[Peter Guns]

So he was getting aggressive. And she's scared. She was hiding behind me. Let me tell you the craziest. The kept doing this. I can't make this. I had to say this to the people in the court. He kept saying, how stink and like, my family gonna see this, y'.

[Podcast Host / Announcer]

All.

[Peter Guns]

He can't keep doing. I said, bro, you can't stop that. The start doing new addition. Cause your stink and I can't live this way, yo. And we like, what's wrong with this? So the producers pull me to the side, go, we not gonna even air this episode. So at that point, it's green light if he swing at or try to get out again. And I toss the downto. Cheaters, cheaters. You can't sue because whenever you know them trampoline parks, you take your kids to where you sign your life away.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's right.

[Peter Guns]

Even if they. You could die on Cheaters, they not responsible. Damn, that paperwork is this thick. And everybody got a gun. So when we run down on a his man to be like, yo, what the. And I'm sitting there. So one time, the first episode, I was so scared. Cause with guns that when we had to meet, we have a meeting after every show. I said, yo, who in here got a gun? The sound man, the craft man, the cameraman. Everybody pulled their guns out. Texas is different.

[Memphis Bleak]

It's crazy, man.

[Peter Guns]

So, yo, that's how I did this show, man.

[Memphis Bleak]

Cheaters, cheaters, cheaters. Watching your cheaters is like, yo.

[Peter Guns]

And everybody. You cheated too. What you doing? Everybody.

[Memphis Bleak]

But you said it man, what's bad?

[Shopify Advertiser / Narrator]

Who.

[Memphis Bleak]

Who better to get you than the guy who know all the tricks in the trade?

[Peter Guns]

And every I interview, I said. I said, that one. That's corny swag. Try something else. They ready to go back up. They ready to wheels up again. On it. I'm like, all right, let me. Let me think. So what bothered me was I went into the office after the show took off again. Okay. I said, I'm gonna need more money, Bobby. You see the ratings? He said, sit down. I sat down. He said, I lost three countries, two continents because I hired a black host. They're not ready for that yet, certain places. So he lost money hiring. I was a black first black host. So it wasn't. When I went in there to, like, stick my chest out from my bag, he was like, guns, man. I lost money, but I'm. I'm not gonna turn on you. We going, yeah. He said, but by the way, put this bag on the table. Mad male. Your friends in jail. Love you. I was popping in jail.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, that's dope, man. That's dope.

[Peter Guns]

I was using blood language on jail, and it was for them, you know, I run, yo, my man, if you want to, we can shoot the 30 right now, man. And that would go. So VH wanted to hit the up and say, yo, is the host using language for gang language? They was bugging on me, but I just throw little dots out there. So in jail, everybody come home now and be like, these cheaters. Get helped me get through the bit. You was a funny.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, hell yeah, bro. That is dope. You know, you probably in the day room, probably like that. Put on cheetahs.

[Peter Guns]

I was hot, man.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yo, that's dope, man. Doing all this media, being on TV and all of that. How do you move different now? Like, you know, different than how a musician would move? Because it's different. We known, like, it's certain crowds that like hip hop. Not everybody likes hip hop, but tv, Everyone watches tv, right? So that's what I mean.

[Peter Guns]

Yeah, it just puts you out there a little more with me. I'm able to be myself more doing the TV stuff, you know, the stuff that I'm really doing. You know what I mean? Nobody's really controlling everything I do, except, I mean, they do some things to you up over that. But it. It just. It's just you have to evolve. The music wasn't either out. It outgrow, you know, I'm always do music, but maybe the audience is outgrown, like they say Guns. Once you put new music, they want new music. Our audience don't buy new music. They want to hear the hits. So you got to do something to keep food on the table. But I move around, man. Yo, yo, Bleak. Honestly, I'm not saying this because you sitting here, whenever I would see you interview, I'd be like, yo, this nigga's stories is so incredible because you paint them. You funny. You paint the stories that I immediately hit you in your DMs, and I hit D, the weatherman. I said, yo, we should do a podcast. Because I thought. I thought just your interviews. So when you got in the space, I said, I knew it. And I. Ben said it now. So without being on that, that you. I could see you belonging here if you wouldn't have did, I would have been bugging out. I would have thought HOV said, no, you ain't doing that.

[Memphis Bleak]

No, man. No, no, no. Hope don't give a. He don't give a. What I'm out here doing. Like, hey, just don't go to jail, okay? I don't want to get that phone call. Hey, dog, I need that bail money. Yeah, that's it. Other than that, don't know where I'm at, what I'm doing.

[Peter Guns]

Dope.

[Memphis Bleak]

You know what I'm saying? We all love and hip hop. Yeah, yeah.

[Peter Guns]

Don't do loving hip hop or you don't know me.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's it. Like, other than that, I'm out here moving. And like I said, man, I thank Nori for this because he saw something that I did.

[Peter Guns]

I saw it, too. I just wasn't in Nori position.

[Memphis Bleak]

Nah, I just didn't. No, no, that one ain't open.

[Peter Guns]

Oh, man, come on.

[Memphis Bleak]

You could crack it, though.

[Peter Guns]

No, no, get the open one. Get the open one.

[Memphis Bleak]

No, we don't ever want. Think we got props.

[Peter Guns]

Nah, man, my bad. Y' all can edit that out.

[Memphis Bleak]

Nope. Ain't no edit nothing. We don't got no props, dog. You won't crack it. Crack it. God.

[Peter Guns]

Oh, my man. But last time I saw HOV was my first season of loving hip hop. Him and B. Yeah. You gotta remember, I knew B2. She was on the same label.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's.

[Shopify Advertiser / Narrator]

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[Peter Guns]

That's.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's the serious one. That's not the little battle.

[Peter Guns]

Yeah, I see. What the. Did I put glue in this?

[Memphis Bleak]

Nah, give me, give me.

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[Memphis Bleak]

That's. That's. You know what that is? That's called the Doucet touch, you know?

[Peter Guns]

Yo, a Doucet sidecar Is the best. Yo, anybody out there, try it and thank me later.

[Memphis Bleak]

I'm telling you. Listen, if you drink vodka, tequila, anything, any drink you mix vodka or tequila with, try it one time with Doucet. Change your life. Welcome to the dark side.

[Peter Guns]

There you go.

[Memphis Bleak]

Back to us, though.

[Peter Guns]

Come on. Hello.

[Memphis Bleak]

You know what I mean? Yo, you been public about a lot of ups and downs and stuff like that. Like, you know, you're not one that shy away from, you know, keeping it real and telling people what's going on with your life. And I respect that about you because not everybody keep it transparent. No, no. A lot of these people get on camera in front.

[Peter Guns]

Yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

Be somebody they not can't do. Like, you know what I mean?

[Peter Guns]

Yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

How do you manage? Like, what's the strength? Like, you. The motivation and the strength you use to keep pushing forward that maybe could help somebody else out there in the same situation, you know what I mean?

[Peter Guns]

Yeah. You know, I just, just. I got kids to feed, man. I got family to take care of. So my motivation is the kids and just trying to do that. It is a little up when you, you know, your kids, like, my kids are getting older now and they're like, yo, why'd you do that show? Why did you, you know, the ones that was on the show with me, dad, why would you do that to mom? Those are the questions that you gotta. That's the hard part is they growing up, seeing that now and, you know, they hero was really not doing right by their mother. That's tough. But you just got to keep it pushing, man. I'm not. And we joke a lot, but I'm not proud when. When little kids run up on me in the street, go, I'm creep squad too. That's not a good example to set for him, man. But, you know, look, don't let your kids watch it, man. Just like you wouldn't let your kids watch certain things, see certain things. There's certain things they shouldn't see. And there's nothing you could do. I know. What I know bleak, man, is no matter how bad it looks at people, it ain't no malice in my heart for nothing to nobody.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's right.

[Peter Guns]

I'm not that dude. I'm a dude that if you. I'm just a man. That's why he used to be like, why you always keep saying you're not a thugs? I'm not. I'm a man. You could find out anytime you want.

[Memphis Bleak]

To step in that square.

[Peter Guns]

Yeah. So I'm not. But I Don't claim to be. I never was comfortable claiming none of that. None of that. Even. Even when the gun charge or people shooting at you and you get shot, whatever. You never hear me really talk a lot about that. Because that's not really a lot to brag about, you know, I've done it, I've done it in the past, but at this age, man, I play guitar, I write rhymes.

[Memphis Bleak]

I've seen you, man. I'll be seeing you killing the guitar on the ground.

[Peter Guns]

But if, if you push, I think any real man is gonna go do what he gotta do.

[Memphis Bleak]

Any real man watching you play the, like the instruments, you know. I know God's drummers like Tony Royster shout out my guy Tony Royster Jr make me think about back in the day. I gave my shot at trying to play instrument, you know what I mean? I used to play the trumpet back in the day in school. You know what I'm saying? But then the movie Mo Better Blues came out. Denzel Washington, one of my favorites. And his name ironically had to be Bleak. And they hit him in the head with the trumpet. I put the trumpet away, said they'll never do that to me. So Denzel inspired me to never play the trumpet. Yo, that is what thought about that.

[Peter Guns]

Yeah. Damn, that was bleak. They hit him in his lip with the shit, couldn't play no more. Oh, shit. I never thought about that.

[Memphis Bleak]

I'm telling you. See that shit scar you, man. Word up. Shot my trumpet dreams down, man. I. Goddamn Denzel. Hold it down for Bleed.

[Peter Guns]

That's one of my favorite movies from Spike Lee. If not my favorite. I love. Because I'm a musician first.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, yeah, that's right.

[Peter Guns]

First before rapping everything. So I. I thought he was smooth. He had. He had the two. See, See how these movies with your head.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He had two.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yo, but yo, another thing, right?

[Peter Guns]

Hold on, I'm gonna say this. I used to be like, they only know tyranna if they knew my whole shit.

[Memphis Bleak]

But you had a star in five.

[Peter Guns]

And no, I'm just saying my story, my shit was crazy.

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[Memphis Bleak]

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[Peter Guns]

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[Memphis Bleak]

Like, we got this guy out here, right? In New York, we call him OG Russ.

[Peter Guns]

Okay?

[Memphis Bleak]

Right. He own, he own everything. He's, he's really getting to that super, super, super duper bag. He own all the Little Italy's people, all the Little Italy's pizzas, the papaya dogs, all of that. Right?

[Peter Guns]

Right.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yo, listen, he told me one thing that always stuck with me. Yo, Bleak, you Can't pick the family you born into, but you could pick the family you create. So you make sure you pick wisely. And looking at you from no matter what you did and all this, we all done dirt, bro. You got two good mothers, man. That's not easy, bro. They great mothers at the end of the day, man, you know, Incredible. Incredible.

[Peter Guns]

Like, So I got 10.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's a blessing.

[Peter Guns]

I got 10 kids. I had kids before those kids. That's where people know me from, right? Corey Cory's.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah. And that's another thing. Let's get into Corey guns, right? You know how they like athletes want to pass their genetics to their kids. And it don't always go that way. Like, it's like, yeah, my kid ain't to trying. I got busy. My kid is shitty. Right, right. We ain't got to name no names because I might want to interview their pops one day. So we ain't gonna on nobody.

[Peter Guns]

I got you.

[Memphis Bleak]

But my G, you birthed one of the illest lyricists in our time of hip hop, bro. And you one of the illest lyricists. So father like son to both be super, super dope. How that feel to look at your son and know, damn, my son be killing shit.

[Peter Guns]

Yeah, I mean, I'm super proud of who he was. And you know, when he got. When he was. Ah, man, so bleak. His mom's left when he was a kid. Corey came, I was 17. His mom, we was young. She had issues. She left basically early in Corey life. So Corey, I raised Corey with my mother and my mother's rules. Were you gonna be your father, you gonna live with us.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's right.

[Peter Guns]

But you gonna do it. So all the emergency room visits, all the stuff, he was with me all the time. Anybody that grew up with me will tell you this little. Always had a kid with him. We used to think his little brother. So Corey would be in the studio everything. And Corey was studying the best, man. I only listened to lyricists. So when I saw Corey want to rap, I would give Corey projects. Yo, you want to do this song called Brick in the Wall by Pink Floyd. But it's drugs in the wall. You're gonna say you had the drugs in the wall. Just little things, patterns. I would tell them I would put a hi hat or a drum on something. Right to that.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah.

[Peter Guns]

And then I'm gonna take it out. People wouldn't wonder where you wrote, how you. What made you write that. And just long, long still in them. But they became a point where once I got on And I got. And things went left. I said I don't want my kid to rap. It was Tariq.

[Memphis Bleak]

Oh, you didn't want him to even rap.

[Peter Guns]

It was Tariq that really kept coming to me. I gotta give Tariq props for that. Props for Shaq. Tariq kept coming to me saying, Pete man, you ignoring this nigga man. He's nice. And coming from Tariq. Cause Tariq was my favorite rapper. The guy dead nice voice and everything. So I would, I was ignoring Corey. Corey. Tariq kept pushing Corey. I didn't even see it. His voice was high pitched. But Tariq is such a like line owned in on skill level that he was like, you sleeping on your own son, bro. And then he started doing stuff on his own. And the next thing you know, the buzz came up. He did smack DVD his way. I want to say the whole world was paying attention to Carl. Like all the labels were calling me off the hook and I was just like core, this is, this business could be fucked up. You don't want your kid to go through highs and lows in this business. And I was hoping to do something else. But I saw that there was, there was nothing else he could do. This is what he's supposed to do. So that's how that happened.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's what's up man. I respect that. My G. Damn man. Cory is a fucking assassin out here, bro.

[Peter Guns]

Yeah, he's something else. I just did a song with Corey for my new project. Project. And I made sure I did a slow record where we don't have to show our skills. Cuz I used to be a time I could hang with him, man. But this is something different now. Method man and his son doing a project. They want me.

[Memphis Bleak]

Oh wow, that's dope.

[Peter Guns]

No, me and Corey to do a joint on there together. Like he's trying to do a song with all the fathers and sons.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, that's dope.

[Peter Guns]

But I definitely want to do a project with Corey. I, I, I, you know, that's, that's on the, that's on the bucket list. We always talk about it, we flirt with different songs and. But right now I'm doing a project that way I'm playing the instruments and doing, you know, a lot of live music. Shout out to my people in la. Mike, Brent and Jesse, you know. But been working on a live project I'm dropping on my birthday, January 6th.

[Memphis Bleak]

Oh wow, that's dope.

[Peter Guns]

But it's different. It's left. It ain't who we are. It ain't. It's called Billy White. I'm coming under the name Billy White.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's why. That. That explains a little bit, too. On, why you. Wow. Because you got a birthday right after New Year. As soon as everybody like, yo, I'm broke. I can't go out. So crazy, right? You, like, I gotta wild out on New Year's, act like it's my birthday a week before. Yeah, that's how one of my homies is. His birthday is two days after Christmas.

[Peter Guns]

It's like, oh, man. Yeah, it was always tough.

[Memphis Bleak]

I feel bad for y', all, man.

[Peter Guns]

Well, I will say this. I always love. I always love. The winter was always my favorite time. Because Christmas, Thanksgiving, my birthday, and all that shit. But more than that, the crime rate in the Bronx, dry. I know niggas must not like the cold, but the crime rate would drop in the winter because every summer, I was losing two, three friends. And. Yeah, so. And because it was rough in the Bronx, man, but no so serious in.

[Memphis Bleak]

New York City, boy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I used to always.

[Peter Guns]

People, I used to be like, I don't know why winter's my favorite season. I hate the cold like that. But somebody said, cause it's the crime. And I said, you right, man. And that's what makes. Cause I don't love the cold no more. But back then, it was that. It was. It was like, damn, at least everybody chilling, you know?

[Memphis Bleak]

It's crazy. You texted me today. He was like, yo, yo, we still good there? I'm like, yeah, yeah. I'm out here in your hood right now. I'm inside of you doing. I'm in Southview doing research, yo. Literally, yo, I'm in the car with my man. Cause he give me.

[Peter Guns]

I love it.

[Memphis Bleak]

He give me an address, right? So, you know, it's the houses over there by Salvie House.

[Peter Guns]

That's where Tariq is from.

[Memphis Bleak]

So I come around the other side where I ain't see the project. So it's like, oh, this is cool over here. So we riding. So I see the cops in the middle of the project. So I'm like, damn, what projects is this? They got the cops in the middle of the project in the daytime with the lights on. So I'm like, what projects is this? Yo, as I'm saying that to him, we ride by the sign, the project sign, Soundview. I said, oh, that explains it 100%.

[Peter Guns]

Like, yo, my aunt lived in Soundview project, so I would have to stay there sometime. Now, listen, man, this what a lot of people don't know. I'll be telling Tariq and them this too. My building wasn't the projects. Tariq lived in the projects in Sandvi. Samv was right over the. Right over the bridge. Yeah, my aunt lived in there, so my mother would send me over there when our lights was out and the water wasn't right. They always had heat and hot water. Had a little playground to play in. We ain't had that. So when niggas be like, oh, I grew up in the park. No, grow up where I grew up at. Where you had to maybe go to the fire hydrant, get some water to warm up.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's right.

[Peter Guns]

Or when the lights is out. Cause nobody pay their rent, the landlord can't get no oil. I grew up on that kind of shit. Projects was. Projects was sweet to me.

[Memphis Bleak]

The lights all the time.

[Peter Guns]

I get the lights, heat, fucking the playground in the back. So I grew up rougher than them niggas. And I always tell them, but however, Soundview is a different ball game. Shout out to all my niggas at Soundview. Money Boss. Shout out to Sex Money. Murder. I might go to jail for saying that.

[Memphis Bleak]

Nah, it's all good. Shout out to Homies, man.

[Peter Guns]

Huh?

[Memphis Bleak]

Shout out the homies.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Peter Guns]

Shout out to BMO, man. BMO's working on his documentary. I'm on that. He's working on a series. Shout out to bmo. Shout out to Sex Money. Listen, I never blooded in. It was always bulletproof love from the time I came in. But I wore the red to. As I lose. If you look at my video, whole red leather suit. Even though Hov screamed on me one day, he said, my. Who got three numbers on a. On a. On a.

[Memphis Bleak]

On a jersey.

[Peter Guns]

On a baseball jersey.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yo, chill. Hov the only one would notice some shit like that, too.

[Peter Guns]

One time on the road, he said my in three numbers on the. You know, Damon used to always be sarcastic. That was the first time home said something.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yo, that's crazy. Like being from the Bronx, birthplace of hip hop. How you feel about the state of hip hop today?

[Peter Guns]

Oh, man, I don't want to sound like the old, like my mom's used to sound, but, yeah, I can't, man. I can't get. I can't. I can't. But I'm again, people always think that. I'm talking about. I'm talking about just no talent. I ain't mad at. That's the beats. That's the beats. Things change. You ain't got no talent.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, I could agree, and I don't agree with some of them do. I'm not gonna. I'm not.

[Peter Guns]

No, no, it's never a blanket. Yeah, never blanket nothing. Cause we had some niggas would be like, nigga. And this was dope. Cause that pulled down some of my lyrics one day. I was like, damn, that was do, bro.

[Memphis Bleak]

You kidding me? I'll be getting crucified for certain.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I can't say.

[Peter Guns]

I can't say that. But we know what we talking about and we know who we talking about. We just don't want no under the bus. But it's a lot of that I could never get with, bro. The way is the. The skirts and then you. And then, you know, talent none. And this my kids be trying to sell me on. I said, bro, there's nothing you could do.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, my son too. My son, you kidding me? The. He listened to and be like, yo, dad, this is. Dude, he's the best.

[Peter Guns]

It's like, oh my God.

[Memphis Bleak]

I'll be looking at him like, you sure you mine? Like, I don't even know what they saying.

[Peter Guns]

I try to find it. I try to go, all right, let me see. Where's the little diamond?

[Memphis Bleak]

A couple of them got it, man. Don't get me wrong. Like. Like the little dirks was he. He had it.

[Peter Guns]

A few of them.

[Memphis Bleak]

You know what I mean?

[Peter Guns]

I just don't. That's another thing I don't like, bro. I don't like the. I don't like to tell him. Telling I killed you, I smoked. When somebody's saying I'm smoking on a 15 year old, 16 year old kid, I can't with that. It's nothing.

[Memphis Bleak]

Who said that, though?

[Peter Guns]

Whenever they say they smoking on the pack.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, but they was the same age, bro. It wasn't the kid they killed. It was a. It's just, yo, he could be 15. I raps, but they 15.

[Peter Guns]

It don't matter, man. I don't know. But you picked up.

[Memphis Bleak]

Listen, in the street law, you pick that pistol up. I don't care how old you are.

[Peter Guns]

Just.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's just street law. But the smoking on the pack. All right, Telling on yourself. Telling on yourself. We didn't do that. But.

[Peter Guns]

But it's grown men still saying, I'm smoking on this kid.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, but you can't say, didn't be like, yo, such and such. Die port, crack that bottle. We celebrating. We just didn't have Instagram. We just didn't have the music.

[Peter Guns]

Just the Enemy saying that. Just the Enemy saying we smoking on them because they getting that high they ain't high as him. This ain't pouring out a tribute. You talking about they. They. When we pulled out, it was a trivia.

[Memphis Bleak]

No, I'm talking about celebrating ops dying too. On murders that they killed. Not on record. I'm talking about just being on the block.

[Peter Guns]

That's different, bro.

[Memphis Bleak]

I. That's what I said. We just didn't have Instagram and we just didn't make music about it. These kids just going about it the wrong way. But it's the same thing did on the block. Niggas spin down and go clip a nigga at a party that they've been trying to hit for. For a minute and come back to the hood and like, yeah, we got him. Is celebrating.

[Peter Guns]

Celebrating that on Instagram. No, on an Internet.

[Memphis Bleak]

I'm with you on that, but it's. But I just said they going about it the wrong way, and it's whack.

[Peter Guns]

Don't believe. Like, like you're giving a pass. This is be trash.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah. Cause I can agree. I was young and crazy. My was young and crazy, too. Yo, I just told one of my homies, like, I grew up with some of the wildest that I used to look at them niggas as a kid and be like, man, I'm glad I know that you my man. That I ain't gotta go against a. Like, you, like, you on my team, like. Cause I grew up with some animals, my nigga.

[Peter Guns]

Like, we'll be here all night, bro. I got.

[Memphis Bleak]

I know, but that's what I'm saying. So you can't say niggas celebrating a win or whatever they consider a win. Bad how they celebrate just.

[Peter Guns]

I don't know, man. I just hate seeing them go to jail.

[Memphis Bleak]

I hate that.

[Peter Guns]

And I hate the daughter seeing kids.

[Memphis Bleak]

Making too much money.

[Peter Guns]

So my mom seeing somebody smoking their son up to the air. That just. I don't know, it just don't sit well.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, no, no. All those facts. I agree with you.

[Peter Guns]

Yeah. That's all. But other than that, I just listen again. I'm the old man. That nigga go, oh, this nigga just died, nigga.

[Memphis Bleak]

I'm creeping. I'm creeping to the fifth floor, too. I'm three flights down. Don't worry, I be on the fifth floor.

[Peter Guns]

Come on in real. But I don't like to sound like the hating old, though. I hate.

[Memphis Bleak]

Nah, man.

[Peter Guns]

Definitely not a lot of this I just can't with, bro.

[Memphis Bleak]

Like, a lot of these artists, maybe.

[Peter Guns]

I am aged out.

[Memphis Bleak]

Like, to what you. Nah, man, you ain't aged out. Never. We vintage, dog. Like, maybe what you saying is right. Cause a lot of the. Like, with the talent. Because a lot of artists today go viral for content over craft.

[Peter Guns]

Oh, yeah. Corey would have been on fire when he first came out had I did what they told me to do. But I was glad that I'm. I let him make that decision. He's like. He's too. He got dumb it down. He's too, too good. It's unbelievable. He gotta dumb it down. So Corey. Corey is on the level of an Eminem. Sorry. People gonna kill me for that.

[Memphis Bleak]

No.

[Peter Guns]

As a kid. And. And they wanted him to do a record like homeboy 1, 1 to the 2 to the, 3 to the 4. That's what they literally. That's what they told me at the office. We need one of these. I said.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, but, you know, listen, one thing about labels, they don't know. Think about it. They telling you, go home and imitate somebody else. Yeah, that lets you know right there. They don't know. You can't image. That's not how you make music. Imitate art. Imitates life, not other people.

[Peter Guns]

I agree, but what they was trying to. In other words, what they trying to say is he would have been a star in your time. With this skill level where we are now, he need one of these. And I understand the business side.

[Memphis Bleak]

No disrespect. The homie who made one to the three to the four.

[Peter Guns]

Yes. My man.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, he got his bread up, right? He got his bag.

[Peter Guns]

Oh, he's straight.

[Memphis Bleak]

But in music.

[Peter Guns]

Yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

Where is he today? Guns is still here. And them executives that told you that? I'm pretty sure they not there no more. Nah.

[Peter Guns]

No executives is around.

[Memphis Bleak]

This is what I'm trying to tell you. So what you like? I told Gun when he sat here, man, like, you don't dumb down for people. People got to smarten up for you. You know what I mean? That's just real shit, man.

[Peter Guns]

Like, that's the decision I let him make, though. I said, core, listen. And he made a couple. Yo, shout out to Guru, man. I cannot Guru had Corey's back a million times. I cannot leave that out, man. Shout Guru. I love you, bro.

[Memphis Bleak]

I remember when Gun first signed the Rockefeller. I spoke to you. You like, yo, I appreciate y', all, man. Hold my son down.

[Peter Guns]

Because he said, he said, he said, he said he spoke to you.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah.

[Peter Guns]

You greenlit it.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yep. I'm like, yo, listen, Gun, we need him, man. I'm mad. It was the Transition to Rockefeller at that time when Jay was going to Def Jam. So a lot of happened at that time.

[Peter Guns]

I think it was a lot of things for him, man.

[Memphis Bleak]

You know what I'm saying?

[Peter Guns]

Hold on, because I got to clear this up. A lot of people. People don't know this. Tommy Motola asked Jay to sign Corey. We were signed to Tommy. He said, I think you could help this kid. They don't get it, but you got to remember, when we got there, everybody was on hov. HOV Got it. We need, we need, we need. And I went to have a meeting with him, and it was a line around the corner, like the God. Remember the Godfather?

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah.

[Peter Guns]

Everybody was having their time.

[Memphis Bleak]

Everybody sitting there.

[Peter Guns]

Y was even in the office. So I was like, we in Guru office waiting for our turn like everybody else. So I could say, what's going on with Cor? And one of the young gunners was there, and he was waiting for his time, and he was like, really complaining to Guru. I don't know them. I never really met them, man. There's no. No shade to them. They was there to see hold for something.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah.

[Peter Guns]

And they had to wait. And it was, like, frustrating for them. And I was. I looked at course like, yo, if these is having a hard time, okay, that nigga's having a hard time. We need to get up out of here. So when I got the whole office, he was sitting on this side of the desk, and I was over there, and he said, guns, come over here. I don't even feel right talking to you from behind this desk. And he was like, what do you want to do, man? I said, yo, we just gonna get up out of here. He said, it's cold out there. My. You sure? I said, yeah. Cause in my mind, we gonna just walk to another deal. Because Corey was like that. He was like, is that what you want? Won't you just turn them up in the building and they'll get behind him? I was like, nah, man, just get about. He said, I'll tell you what. Meet me at Cielo and we'll talk about this. In. And it's yellow. So I met him at Cielo. He said, what you want to say? Just give us the rest of the budget to eat on. Let us get the music. And I asked for one more thing. He said, done. He made a call. Jay Brown said, make this happen. And that's how we got out of here. And, you know, he went to Young Money. But long story short, it was he didn't have to do that. They could have just held us on. But he let me know, I'm leaving, so whatever you want to happen, need to happen now. Oh, let us out.

[Memphis Bleak]

No, that's a fact.

[Peter Guns]

And so, you know, Shout Out People got a lot of shit to say, but that man let us go for. He could have been like, nah, turn him up in the building. Figure it out. He's like, nah. But, you know, I knew him before all of this. We both come.

[Memphis Bleak]

We toured together, bro. I remember when we had Ain't no. And y' all had the major, major, major smoker. We was coming out first, and y' all was shutting it down after.

[Peter Guns]

Like, he was giving me advice then.

[Shopify Advertiser / Narrator]

Yeah.

[Peter Guns]

Like, don't, don't. Because I was doing a separate album. Tariqi said, nah, y' all gotta stay together, do another one. But, you know, he was so. So when seeing him in the office wasn't. It didn't feel right for us to be having that kind of conversation.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah.

[Peter Guns]

And I felt. How could you feel bad for him? I felt bad because when you get in a position, you got to tell even the people. Like, he. He knew 100 years before me.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah.

[Peter Guns]

He got like, yo, I'm. He's trying to. It was the. I wouldn't have wanted that job.

[Memphis Bleak]

No.

[Peter Guns]

After I saw that, I was like.

[Memphis Bleak]

That'S why when he said that line, heavy is the head that wears the crown. I'm like, he ain't never lie, boy.

[Peter Guns]

But I knew if he leaving, we need to get the out of here now. Because they don't care about. I think the only reason I'm even having this meeting with Jay is because of Jay or Guru. So if he leave. Yeah, Guru going with him. Who the. We got the same people telling us what we need to do. So I just. I took the. I took the. You know, and we walked over, we went to a couple labels, and they was like, no. I said, damn, Jay was right. It's cold out here.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah. No, the industry is bad.

[Peter Guns]

And it was more shout out to my nephew Jim. I never give him credit, but Jim was out in New Orleans and talking to Mac, Maine and all, like, yo, Corey, free agent. And so I think my nephew Jim is a real reason that Corey got signed.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's what's up, man. Shout out Mac, Main, Wayne and them. That's the fam for sure, man. Like, fucking. One thing I wanted to add on, too. You know, a lot of people got a lot of negative shit to say about Jay, But Jay in business, and I feel like this is The God honest truth. And I'm not saying this. Cause this my brother. I practice what I preach. Jay business model to me has always been honesty and integrity with everything. He ain't never robbed nobody. And I did the same thing with my artists. Like, I remember, you know, when I signed Casanova, Manolo Rose, and all these other artists that I signed, you know, Huey V, everybody. You know, that 360 deal came out. Everybody wanted publishing. Everybody wanted this. Everybody wanted that. I never. I told people, listen, the same deal I had is the same deal I gave all my artists.

[Peter Guns]

Right?

[Memphis Bleak]

You know what I'm saying? Where we don't touch none of that. So we kept it fair across the board. And that's one thing how I was raised. So I like that what you said. Like, how.

[Peter Guns]

Anything bad to say about the dude. Our eyebrow.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah.

[Peter Guns]

Because how could you not be proud of this dude coming from where we. And when I say where we come from, I'm not talking about just. I'm talking about New York, the streets that, like, if I just.

[Memphis Bleak]

From the bottom man.

[Peter Guns]

And still he's in the one spot for me. You know, there's certain rappers, when they do a top five, you can put them in that position. And I won't argue with you if you say your guns. My top five is Andre 3000. I'm not gonna argue.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's right.

[Peter Guns]

I got Kiss in my top five.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's right.

[Peter Guns]

He's been in one spot for me, so. But it's hard, yo, let me say this to you. When you. When you got what you got and you. And you. That level of an artist, it's. It's. You know, and then people say, yo, New York, y' all just Jay Z for y'. All. New York, you know, I got 3,000 in my. In my top five as well. You know, that's a fact. Scarface is my favorite storyteller.

[Memphis Bleak]

Him and Slick Rick, Tupac not from New York. What they say about that?

[Peter Guns]

He is from New York, baby. Oh, yeah. New York.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, he is from New York. My bad. I up. I up my bad. West coast took him from us, though.

[Peter Guns]

Yeah, yeah, they got.

[Memphis Bleak]

They hijacked him.

[Peter Guns]

I always tell people, go Google it. His first rap name was MC New York.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's right.

[Peter Guns]

But, yeah, so nah. So, you know, you got. You got that going on. But at the same time, that's what come with the territory. When you're hot, man, that's what's gonna happen.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's a fact.

[Peter Guns]

Even if you're not.

[Memphis Bleak]

Sometimes when it's all said and done. The smoke clears. Everything done. You home chilling.

[Peter Guns]

Your shot, Scott.

[Memphis Bleak]

Drinking straight, playing my guitar, sitting on the. On the back porch. What you want them to remember or say about Peter Guns?

[Peter Guns]

He was. He was who he said he was. He was honest. He was real. Never tried to front like he was something he wasn't. And just that's it. You know, we. We all flawed. You know, I'm definitely flawed. There's definitely things there that's flawed. But remember me as somebody that always kept it a hunted and. And I'm comfortable with that. Win, lose a draw, hate me, you know what I mean? But I'm a man mostly. I'm not to be played with.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's right.

[Peter Guns]

Some man shit. And I'm honest and I just. And I honestly like to see my brothers win. And I think. I think that's what bothered me about my people mostly. We. Our worst enemy, man.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's a fact. That's a fact. That's why I don't knock none of the young guys. Even if I don't listen to the music, I still give them that stream. Why they get into that bag, you know? My son want to go to the show. We gonna get. Get them tickets.

[Peter Guns]

Oh, yeah, like, you know what I mean?

[Memphis Bleak]

We're gonna support.

[Peter Guns]

I'm. I'm going.

[Memphis Bleak]

I'm gonna support all day, man.

[Peter Guns]

But I just wish it was different, you know what I mean? I wish it was different because it's us on us. And a lot of. A lot of they doing bleak. There wouldn't be, you know, other nationality.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's because ethnicity and I think it.

[Peter Guns]

Would let that flop.

[Memphis Bleak]

I think it's just because music, how accessible music is.

[Peter Guns]

No, I think it's. You know what I mean? I think we don't have no control over what they put out there for our kids to love. No, look, at the end of the day, this is control.

[Memphis Bleak]

It is.

[Peter Guns]

So if they had to put out more positive, more. More skillful, more talent, that's what they would do. But Nas, the. The Machine likes this. Yeah, kill each other. Go ahead and say this and say that. Mumble take drugs. Tell them that's what it is. Do this, do that to make every lyric about and popping drugs and. And you know that they control that, bro. They. Now I'll give you. I'm gonna give you a good example before I leave.

[Memphis Bleak]

Listen, I'm gonna cut you off because you can't say that. Nobody told you get on TV and emulate the same thing we rapping about you just ain't kill nobody. No, but you said to talk about the fucking and this. So you can't say no one goes in the studio. Like, think about it. I went and made songs called Hustlers. Who the fuck want what bounce bitch round here? Nobody. Leor told me not to put round hair out. That it wasn't a single.

[Peter Guns]

I got it. The answer for that is including T tv. Including what I'm doing.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah.

[Peter Guns]

That wouldn't fly nowhere else. In certain places, the that we be doing. You making my point. Even TV and all that, if somebody was to go, nah, we not. Example in China, they can't go in there and see who twerk. The best they they contest is who could solve this goddamn calculus problem.

[Memphis Bleak]

It's dictatorship, bro.

[Peter Guns]

But hold on. Freedom of speech here, no one.

[Memphis Bleak]

You can't compare that country to us.

[Peter Guns]

But what I'm saying is, even here, there's certain things that wouldn't fly for certain ethnicities.

[Memphis Bleak]

But there's certain things in other countries that don't fly here. Because you'll go to London somewhere and chick with her titties out on a phone commercial.

[Peter Guns]

That.

[Memphis Bleak]

That'll never fly here.

[Peter Guns]

It should.

[Memphis Bleak]

Wow. My daughter don't need to be looking at no boobs on TV after the commercial.

[Peter Guns]

Don't say it can't. It could. You could walk through Times Square with no shirt on. A woman could anytime she want.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, I know, but my daughter don't live in Times Square.

[Peter Guns]

But what I'm saying is. But the. That the. That might be programming her. Might be worse than that.

[Memphis Bleak]

No, we don't play the programming.

[Peter Guns]

We play.

[Memphis Bleak]

We program.

[Peter Guns]

Okay?

[Memphis Bleak]

In my house, we program. We don't do the programming. Like nothing calls my daughter, you know what calls my daughter a book.

[Peter Guns]

That's good.

[Memphis Bleak]

You know what I'm saying?

[Peter Guns]

A book. But she got the opportunity at some point to go in there and see what it is.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, definitely. She go check her tutorials on how to make shit. That's one thing I love about my daughter. She want to be an inventor so bad that this girl makes shit out of paper napkins. It's like, word up. She want to invent some shit. It's like, go ahead, girl. Girl invented. I'mma pay for it. Don't you worry. Soon as you make the right, you program right.

[Peter Guns]

You got it right. A lot of parents ain't programmed like.

[Memphis Bleak]

That because I wanted to break the curse. Like, there's nobody in my family that was married. So that's why I knew I wanted to be the first one. I'mma do it. I'mma break this curse. So certain things.

[Peter Guns]

How you do it? How long you been married?

[Memphis Bleak]

This'll be my 10th year this year.

[Peter Guns]

How you do it, man?

[Memphis Bleak]

Come on. What do you mean, man? The recipe is, I met someone that's just identical to me. She agreed to everything. That we both have the same views and values and cherish the same things. Only thing we don't agree on. I smoke weed. She eat mushrooms. Hey, I ain't mad at that.

[Peter Guns]

You feel me?

[Memphis Bleak]

Other than that, everything else is in common. And I feel like we talk about everything. Like, I got homies. That's my homies. My dogs. Where I tell everything. And I feel like this the first time I met a woman who is closer than that. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, where I could tell anything and never be judged or never be looked at. So.

[Peter Guns]

Right.

[Memphis Bleak]

I knew. I knew.

[Peter Guns]

Yeah.

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That.

[Peter Guns]

I think you know, that's been. That's. I gotta be honest with you. I never had. I didn't start smoking or drinking cigars till I was in my 40s. Liquor 25. Because I had. I came up with brothers like that. I gave my mother my word I would never do nothing but women has been the hardest thing for me. It's been the hardest thing for me to be faithful and just chill with one woman. I think that's the hardest task I ever had in my life, man.

[Memphis Bleak]

No, it's tough, bro. You just gotta. What they say, avoid temptation.

[Peter Guns]

Yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

You know what I'm saying?

[Peter Guns]

Yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

You gotta stay away, like, Friday night. I'm going bowling. I ain't going to the club.

[Peter Guns]

You feel me?

[Memphis Bleak]

That's a fact.

[TurboTax / Colgate Advertiser]

Certain.

[Memphis Bleak]

I just gotta avoid.

[Peter Guns]

He wanna go. He want to go to the club. I want to go boat this. Gotta run his own and he runs. I can't. I ain't got nothing over this.

[Memphis Bleak]

I love my. Yo.

[Peter Guns]

I swear, yo. I love my doing better now, though. But this used to run.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yo. So what's next, my G? You done conquer music media. What's next on the reinvention during the reinvention of Peter Guns? What's next, man? You said you working on music.

[Peter Guns]

I got this joint called the Diary of Billy White. Got a song run dropping on my birthday. It's a rock. So it's out January 6th, man.

[Memphis Bleak]

I remember that. That's right.

[Peter Guns]

Insurrection day. That's coming January 6th. It's totally left field. But the difference with what I'm doing now is what I want to do. It's not like, yo, Gun, you need to do a record like this or this and that.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's right.

[Peter Guns]

Me in the studio with my guitar, my boys jamming, and we just. Man, I don't care if nobody. I'm doing it for me. So it's all up. I'm shooting a TV show with Shaq called Graves in.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's right. Shout out, Shaq. Shout out Saigon. Saigon was telling me about that. Mayo too, right? Graves in. I ain't getting no. I ain't getting no role. They could have even killed me. I could have been a body.

[Peter Guns]

They would love any.

[Memphis Bleak]

It's basically, I could have been up in the pack.

[Peter Guns]

Listen, Big Daddy Kane is on it, too. Special. Shout out to Special Big.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, shout out Special. Big Daddy Kane.

[Peter Guns]

Funny story. Is this from Brooklyn? It's Graves in Brooklyn. So if I even mention your name, they're gonna go crazy.

[Memphis Bleak]

I'll be like, tell them, yo, I could have been a pack.

[Peter Guns]

Oh, you win. They would love that. If they. Anybody from Brooklyn can get on the show. It's Brooklyn. Brooklyn.

[Memphis Bleak]

Tell them. Pull up. I'm there. What up? Let me know. I'm there.

[Peter Guns]

That's done.

[Memphis Bleak]

So go ahead. I cut you off. My bad.

[Peter Guns]

I was on some more recent, and then, you know.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, they used to tell me that when I first started Bleak. Stop being like, nori, you cutting the guests off. Let them talk.

[Peter Guns]

It's called stepping. So you step on somebody where they talking. They're having a lot of hip hop. Y' all stepping on each other. Okay, so, yeah, so I think Graves in Diary of Billy White, the rock Star. And I'm doing a bunch of content. And then, of course, I'm getting the studio with Corey and messing around, but I got a lot of content coming out. Too early to talk about. That's right. Yeah, but. Yeah, that's. I know I'm leaving out somebody. I gotta shout out. Janet Smith, my manager Alize, and the whole crew, they. They all, you know, Ken Hamilton, they all been holding me down. They believe in me. And that's hard to find this day in time believing in an old trying to live his dream.

[Memphis Bleak]

So you got somebody to believe, man. The dreams come true, man. That's all it take is the belief, bro. I swear. One person to believe. Like I tell niggas all the time, man. I thank God that day. Rest in peace. Clark Kent and Jay walked through the projects. Cause I used to tell hov, Clark was like, let me hear what you got. So he never said that. Clark knows. Oh, God.

[Peter Guns]

It's my God, man. Clark put just two. Two songs on me and Tariq's album.

[Memphis Bleak]

Oh, word.

[Peter Guns]

It's my man.

[Memphis Bleak]

Damn, man. That's what's up, Clark.

[Peter Guns]

Every time I see him, I was like, clark, you owe us a beat. I gave you 20, yo, chill. 20. Clocks, guns, whatever you want. Shout out to my man Skeet.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's right.

[Peter Guns]

Ski produced two. Two joints on the Diary of Billy White, my album. Ski did two joints?

[Memphis Bleak]

Oh, that's dope, man. Shout out Ski and Tone Hooker. Tone Hooker out there growing weed now. Yeah, man. Word. He out there growing weed.

[Peter Guns]

You gotta get it how you get it.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's right, man. That's what we do, man. Y' all appreciate you pulling up, man, kicking in with us, man. Love you, bro. Like I said, I love you, my brother.

[Peter Guns]

Love you more.

[Memphis Bleak]

OG my G to me. And I love my OGs and respect on all of them, man. Back at you, my brother. Like you said, new season of Cheetahs coming, right?

[Peter Guns]

New season of Cheetahs Diary of Billy White, January 6th. January 6th. And Graves in Man Mob series.

[Memphis Bleak]

I might be in it, I might not. I might be a pack, but this is rock solid. And you know what it is. And Doucet is that. And we here.

[Peter Guns]

Yeah.

[Memphis Bleak]

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