Wais P | ROC Solid w/ Memphis Bleek

Summary

ROC Solid w/ Memphis Bleek – Episode: Wais P | October 28, 2025

Main Theme & Purpose

In this episode of ROC Solid, Memphis Bleek sits down with longtime friend and collaborator Wais P (also appearing as Wise P), tracing their brotherhood back to the golden era of Brooklyn hip-hop. More than reminiscing, they get candid about their early days, the complexities of Roc-A-Fella family dynamics, industry lessons, surviving setbacks, and evolving in a new era of music. Listeners get a rare look at untold stories, the making of classic records, the pitfalls of the business, and the enduring respect among hip-hop’s real spitters.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Origins and Brotherhood

• Early Studio Days & Battling
  • Reminisce on first encounters—competing as Brooklyn crews, battling on 560 State Street, and forming The Rangers.
  • “That’s when I had Lil TI... we was in the group called the Crooklyn Bandits.” – Memphis Bleek (04:17)
  • The mutual admiration for each other's wordplay and unique approach: ”You was always like the wizard of the bars to me... you just always had the different side of life bars.” – Bleek (04:50)

The Roc-A-Fella Camaraderie & Creative Process

• Shared Writing and Creative Assistance
  • Bleek acknowledges the collaborative nature of their sessions, how lines and hooks were shared to elevate each other.
  • “Niggas always saying, yo, Bleek, your hardest verse is ‘Celebration.’…you definitely helped me make that verse salute come to life.” – Bleek (07:28)
  • The culture of passing inspiration: “If you stuck and the n*** see the vision for you, we helped each other.” (07:14)
• Missed Opportunity for Unity
  • Both wish the early camaraderie lasted: “Can you imagine?...It would have been just such a monstrosity.” – Wise P (08:32)
  • Motivated by wanting to make “the big homie proud”—referring to Jay-Z.

Key Sessions & Industry Relationships

• Stories Behind Classic Records
  • The infamous session for “If I Die, Don’t Cry”: Swizz Beatz’s presence, early Ja Rule collabs, studio life with legends.
  • “Swiss Beats in there. I never forget it.” – Wise P (10:38)
  • Ja Rule’s generosity: “Ja was making so much money at that moment. He...just gave it all to his moms. He didn’t even need it, man.” – Wise P (14:21)
• Behind-the-Scenes Industry Moves
  • The struggle with Def Jam timing, label politics, and why The Rangers’ album never dropped despite their buzz.
  • Loyalty and business clashes, especially between managers and execs: “Bihai didn’t really...vibe with Dame...out of loyalty ‘cause I loved Hai, I’m with you, bro.” – Wise P (31:20, 31:27)

Brooklyn, Family & Community

• The Value of Mentorship
  • Wise P discusses helping new talent, specifically D Guap from Miami, and feeling a responsibility to guide the next generation. (48:28)
  • The regret that their era got so focused on “the bag” that they didn’t sufficiently teach or mentor those coming up next.
  • Classic Brooklyn anecdotes: hustling for “used jumpers,” memorable tour stories, the pivotal role of manager Bhi.

Life Lessons & Regrets

• Reflection on Youth and Success
  • Both acknowledge how fast money and lack of mentors led to mistakes: “The game ain’t fair.” – Bleek (24:38)
  • Wise P’s biggest regret: taking the game lightly, chasing fast life over legacy. “I thought I was bigger than what I was.” – Wise P (43:10)
  • Realizing the importance of business savvy early: “He was the first one talking about buying properties. He helped raise me.” – Wise P on Bhi (35:13)

The State of Hip-Hop: Past and Present

• Current Work and the Modern Scene
  • Wise P continues releasing music, collaborating with Fredro Star, Statik Selektah, and mentoring the next wave.
  • On the freedom of 2020s hip-hop: “Now you could just rap… you don’t gotta look for that hit.” – Wise P (57:03)
  • Bleek details jealousy at how artists like J. Cole could choose their single – a freedom absent in their come-up (58:03).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On Artistic Brotherhood

• “Only Jay, you, and Beans ever gave me a bar.” – Memphis Bleek (41:10)
• “The fans know what they know. But the spitters, when they see you, they go, ‘You that guy.’” – Wise P (84:08)

On Industry Realities

• “If you can’t win with the hottest record label, what can we do for you?” – Label exec to Wise P, as told by Wise P (39:34)
• "You supposed to show these kids how to get money… Today, bro, it’s a million ways to get money. And you don’t have to be illegal." – Bleek (50:28)

On Regret

• “I should have been more around you, Veto… I should have never let anything get in between that.” – Wise P (43:20)

On Surviving Brooklyn & Tour Life

• The “crazy tour” stories: Japanese girls with 100 cats (16:39), dodging Chicago hat politics (75:08), and club nights in a white mink.
• “You just made me feel like the n** in Last Dragon, straight up looking at that n*** like, ‘Teach me some moves.’”* – Bleek, recalling being out-rapped by Sauce Money (86:27)

On Hip-Hop Legacy

• “When it comes down to Crown Heights, they had y’all. It’s not many groups out of Brooklyn, and y'all one of them groups that I felt could have been bigger.” – Bleek (23:44)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Studio Battles & Origins: [03:06]-[06:00]
• Celebration Verse & Roc-a-Fella Camaraderie: [07:28]-[08:46]
• "If I Die, Don’t Cry" Session & Swizz Beatz Memory: [09:02]-[12:00]
• Ja Rule Collab Story: [13:03]-[14:42]
• Mentorship & Regret for Next Generation: [48:28]-[51:50]
• Why The Rangers’ Album Never Dropped (Label Politics): [30:34]-[33:34]
• Brooklyn Legacy & Mentors: [34:59]-[36:35]
• Advice and Business Wisdom: [35:15]-[36:19]
• On Modern Hip-Hop & J. Cole Story: [57:24]-[59:50]
• Tour Life Stories (Chicago gun incident, Africa trips): [75:08]-[77:12], [68:34]-[71:25]
• Favorite Cities to Perform: [76:48]-[77:25]
• Wise P’s Top 5 Spitters: [77:35]-[79:41]

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Wise P's Top 5 All Time Hip-Hop Lyricists

1. Jay-Z (Veto/Hov)
2. Rakim
3. Pharoahe Monch
4. Black Thought
5. Sean Price (78:16 – 79:41)

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The Culture & Lasting Brotherhood

The episode finishes with heartfelt appreciation for the rare, unbreakable bond between real spitters—a recurring affirmation of respect and kinship. Despite industry politics, missed opportunities, and varied life paths, Bleek and Wise P stand as proof that authenticity, loyalty, and lyrical prowess endure:

“You always stay true to your thing. How many groups break up, you and Half still bros to this day… You kept the culture and hip hop alive.” – Memphis Bleek (83:00 – 84:11)

Stay solid. Stay ROC.

Transcript

[Memphis Bleek]

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[Memphis Bleek]

What up, y'?

[Wise P]

All?

[Memphis Bleek]

This your main man, Memphis Bleak right here. Welcome to Rock Solid, a production of iHeartRadio and the Black Effect Network in partnership with my guys over at Drink Champs. Big whipping. Yeah, Memphis. I'm back at it, niggas Notice the difference? Just more grown. Prezi, no stones. Yeah, y' all. Right back at you with another one. New episode of Rock Silent. And like I always tell you, you see anybody on this platform, number one, they My brother number two, they solid as a motherfucking rock. And to the left of me, man, this. This just family, dog. You know what I mean? When it come down to this rap shit, when it come down to who you started with, this is one of the guys that was right there from the beginning, and. And even when it was over, he was still right here with me. My motherfucking brother, YSP in the building. Let's give a round of applause for my guy in the building, y'. All. What's up, my G? My brother, man. How you been, bro?

[Wise P]

I'm here with you forever.

[Memphis Bleek]

You already my nigga, man. What's the word on the vibes, man?

[Wise P]

Marvelous, man. I can't even complain, man. Life is marvelous, man. Everything's beautiful, man. I'm here with you, man. I can't wait to talk about it.

[Memphis Bleek]

You already know, man. We got a lot of shit to talk about all day, man. Like, bro, from the beginning of this shit, man, we was in the studio. I remember. I think it was. We was recording Celebration when I first met you, when Beehive first, y' all came around B High like, yo, bleep, it's the new group I'm managing, the Rangers. You and Dark. Half shout out, my bro.

[Wise P]

Half shout out to half.

[Memphis Bleek]

You know what I'm saying? He was like, this is my new group. We was in the studio. Y' all niggas was spitting. Y' all played some music. And I'm like, yo, who the fuck is this nigga, bro? Like, you just always had the different side of life bars to me, man. Like, what made you get into the rap and choose like that lane in rap?

[Wise P]

I mean, first of all, you forgetting you used to be in a group. Yeah, yeah, we battled on State Street. You forgot about that.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yo, hold on. See, you talking about that. That's when I had Lil TI Yeah, Lil TI Was my partner. I was in the back. Shout out, my bro, Lil Ti. We was in the group called the Crooklyn Bandits. You know what I'm saying?

[Wise P]

Yo, The Crookly Bandits, 560 State Street.

[Memphis Bleek]

And we battled.

[Wise P]

We battled rap ball for ball. We did, like, about.

[Memphis Bleek]

I had to set that up. 15 verses.

[Wise P]

Yeah.

[Memphis Bleek]

Cause that was back and forth, see? Damn. I ain't remember that. That's.

[Wise P]

Back, bro.

[Memphis Bleek]

Before the studio session.

[Wise P]

Before the session.

[Memphis Bleek]

Damn. That's what's up, man. But shit, what made you. Like I said, bro, like, you was always like the wizard of the bars to me. Like, you came up with that shit. That was just left field and it just always sounded right. Now, usually people go left field, and you be like, yo, what, homie? You just knew how to bring it right back. You know what I'm saying? So, like I said, what made you get into that lane of the rap?

[Wise P]

Well, I mean, to be honest with you, you know what I'm saying? Like, when I met Vito, like, he just showed me a different thing. And then, like, even though I was doing my own thing and trying to, like, I was always trying to, like, make him happy. Like, I was always trying to, like, make him proud of me.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah.

[Wise P]

You know what I'm saying? So. So. So I would say that's. That's what took me there. Cause I was like, oh, okay.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah. Cause HOV was on some different shit. Remember back then, Akanelli was around OC.

[Wise P]

Marcy days, yo was in the sister crib.

[Memphis Bleek]

I was in the heights with you going crazy. Me, you, and half used to be in the crib in the heights.

[Wise P]

Shiny, my nigga, yo, we used to take the top off, rip the other half and rip the other half and.

[Memphis Bleek]

Put the food on the top. That's what I'm saying. Niggas don't know we from the hot sauce and ketchup. Four wings for a dollar. Cause a wing was a quarterback.

[Wise P]

That's a Fendi belt.

[Memphis Bleek]

We showing that age right now. We vintage niggas up here.

[Wise P]

We used to put that shit on the top, and then. And then you hit the other side, and then you share that shit.

[Memphis Bleek]

Crazy. Yo, so how did you and half.

[Wise P]

Me being half? Half was a dj. Half is one of the most talented motherfuckers I've ever met in my life. Oh, like dj? Yeah. Half was a dj. He didn't even rap at first. I was running around the hood, rapping, saying, I'm the best to ever do it. Anybody want to come get it? I was getting chased out of Canarsi, and niggas was chasing me.

[Memphis Bleek]

Canarsi is wicked, bro. That's the back of Queen of Brownsville. It's like the back Red Hook. Oh, man.

[Wise P]

I went over there, burnt a few cats.

[Memphis Bleek]

You in the back of Brooklyn.

[Wise P]

They ran me out of that one.

[Memphis Bleek]

All the drama back there.

[Wise P]

So I was doing that, and half was DJing. And then he started rapping. I was like, dude, you just good at everything you do. He was one of them dudes that, like, is good at everything he does. He barblers. He does everything. Like, I'm like. He plays the guitar. I'm like, how do you just Be good at everything, yo. No, he was one of the cats. And that was dope to me. So that's how we met, bro.

[Memphis Bleek]

Like, you know, it's been a lot of shit. Niggas always out here like, yo, Jay write for Bleak. Jay wrote this. Niggas don't know, man. I get credit for niggas always saying, yo, Bleak, your hardest verse is celebration. And I gotta give you credit for that, bro, because you definitely helped me make that verse salute come to life. I still don't know what Pharaohs in Egypt is just. You know what I'm saying? You gave me that bar. I was sitting there, like, through the battle narrowly. We did like the Pharaohs and it was like, yeah, on the 10 speed weeding, you right, let's go, my G. That shit lit, you know what I'm saying? So it's like that was always a thing amongst us to where it was like if you stuck and the n see the vision for you. We helped each other. And like I heard you say before we started taping that you wish we would have kept that camaraderie in our family.

[Wise P]

Can you imagine? Yo, bro, can you imagine?

[Memphis Bleek]

You think it was me? You monstrosity sauce, bro.

[Wise P]

It would have been a monster. I mean. I mean, it was a monster.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yes.

[Wise P]

Regardless, I'm just saying, I wish we'd.

[Memphis Bleek]

Have kept it together, bro.

[Wise P]

I wish we would have also, because it would have been just such a monstrosity. And all I ever wanted to do was make the big homie proud. You know what I'm saying?

[Memphis Bleek]

So that's what we all do.

[Wise P]

All I ever wanted to do was just to make him proud. So that was. And I wish I would have got a chance to do that. But whatever, though, it's.

[Memphis Bleek]

No, you definitely did, bro. Y' all made the album. That's the one of his biggest selling albums. One of the hardest records. If I die, don't cry my y'.

[Wise P]

All on the chorus.

[Memphis Bleek]

Come on, my G. What do you mean?

[Wise P]

That was a big look. That was a big look.

[Memphis Bleek]

First of all, for Jay to give you a verse on the song. That mean he was proud to give you a verse. And the hook, you know, was happy.

[Wise P]

And shout out to him. Cause in the liner notes, he said, I feel like I put everybody in the property place in proper position. Yeah, he gave us all a shot. And he gave us all a shot. And I can't never be I can't be.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's one session I wasn't there for, man. I wonder how that session Went, man.

[Wise P]

You was there for a lot of the Henchman sessions, too.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yo, we used to be in Henchman Studio.

[Wise P]

Wow.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yo, you know, back then, I didn't even know who Jimmy Hinchman was.

[Wise P]

I didn't know how infamous he was.

[Memphis Bleek]

We used to just be in the studio rapping like this. Whose studio? I bet.

[Wise P]

Goodbye. Whatever. Let's get busy.

[Memphis Bleek]

And then when he came home and you did the history, it's like, hold on, fam. I used to be in your studio. He's tripping.

[Wise P]

Oh, Shooter, I didn't even know Word.

[Memphis Bleek]

His nephew was the homie. I forgot his nephew name, man.

[Wise P]

Mario. No, no, it was Mario Jamie.

[Memphis Bleek]

I forgot his name, man. He was the homie. I used to fuck with him. He used to pull up in Brooklyn. Well, anyway, you know who you is, fam. Man, ain't too many of you.

[Wise P]

That was good days, though, man.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yo, we was wilding, bro.

[Wise P]

That was good days.

[Memphis Bleek]

Like I said. I wonder how that session don'. Cry. Just ride my nigga Bust bullets in the sky, my nigga When I'm gone, don't mourn, my nigga.

[Wise P]

I go to the session, right? Vito called me, right? I come to the session. Swiss Beats in there. I never forget it.

[Memphis Bleek]

Swiss beat?

[Wise P]

Yeah.

[Memphis Bleek]

Get the. Yo, chill, my nigga. Yo, chill.

[Wise P]

Swizz Beats did that, man. That's history right there.

[Memphis Bleek]

I know that.

[Wise P]

Do you remember used jumpers? Yeah, yeah, he had that on.

[Memphis Bleek]

He had a used jumper on?

[Wise P]

Yeah, the used with the. With the jumper with the buttons.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yo, bro, you know that's the reason I started selling drugs on God, bro. Used jumpers is the reason why I started selling drugs, y'. All. That clothing brand fucked my life up. Cause I went and told my moms, yo, ma, I need you. I need your old new school coming up. I need used. It was used and damaged.

[Wise P]

Yeah.

[Memphis Bleek]

My mom, like, why the hell would you want somebody else's clothes if they used? Why would you want it to be in Travel Fox? Yo, And I knew at that moment when mom was like, why would you want somebody else clothes? I knew she was out the loop. I had to go get it.

[Wise P]

Yeah.

[Memphis Bleek]

So back to your session.

[Wise P]

Used.

[Memphis Bleek]

Swizz pulled up in the used and.

[Wise P]

He played that shit. And then shit started rocking, and I'm just like, yo, this is nuts. This is nuts. And I'll tell you another. Another joint. He played the joint with dmx. The. What was it?

[Memphis Bleek]

Money Cash. Money Cash. Yeah.

[Wise P]

And I told him I didn't like the beat. You lying. I swear to God.

[Memphis Bleek]

You know. You know, Sauce, he said, watch what.

[Wise P]

I do to it, yo.

[Memphis Bleek]

You know, Source said he didn't like coming to H2 beat. Yeah. Yeah. Yo, bro, I was. Swizz did that.

[Wise P]

That's crazy. Word.

[Memphis Bleek]

He said he didn't like that beat.

[Wise P]

I said. I said, man, I'm not feeling that. And he was like, watch what I do there.

[Memphis Bleek]

And then we did.

[Wise P]

I was like, you're the fucking greatest.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yo, that whole album came out insane. Volume two, man.

[Wise P]

That was nuts.

[Memphis Bleek]

That album was insane. Like, then, like, y' all fast forward. Y' all went and got y' all deal. But y' all did y' all deal with. What was it? Carter Faculty, right?

[Wise P]

Yeah, Carter Faculty. Def Jam.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yep. Def Jam. Shout out Biha Tata. Yeah. And I think it was OG Wong, right? They was all partners. Was he. I could be mistaken.

[Wise P]

I'm not sure. I'm not sure. But he might have been involved.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah, I think so. But, you know, Shout out Bihat Tata Carter fact. You know what I'm saying?

[Wise P]

Shout out to Bija. That's my big brother. I love him. I love him. The devil love Tata.

[Memphis Bleek]

How did the record with Ja Rule come about?

[Wise P]

That came about because we was doing. What was it for the movie. For the movie. So I just wanted to do a record with him because I had this hook in my mind. Like, say what you want to say about us. You know what I'm saying? We gonna keep rocking. And I was like. I had that in my head. I'm like, it'll sound great if he says it. So it was. Yeah.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah. Yes.

[Wise P]

Yeah. This is. This is. This was the original job when he was jumping up out the Jacuzzi with the.

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[Wise P]

With no shirt on. And this is. This is going to that job. Yeah.

[Memphis Bleek]

Cause we're on the.

[Wise P]

He was on one. And. And the love. And I loved Irv Gotti, too, man.

[Memphis Bleek]

Rest in peace.

[Wise P]

Irv used to be a big. Yeah. Salute, bro.

[Memphis Bleek]

Irv was a visionist. Like a visionary, like a motherfucker. He knew. He knew exactly what he was doing.

[Wise P]

And he used to be around. He was telling Leo when we was doing the Def Jam deal, you're not signing the night bus. You're not signing the Rangers. What are you crazy? It was crazy. At that time, he was really riding. I was like, man, I love this dude. He don't even have to do this.

[Memphis Bleek]

The song was Fire my say what you want to say featuring Ja Rule, the Rangers. That was crazy.

[Wise P]

So we put it together. But here's the. Dopest thing about that record. And I'm glad I get to say this on camera. Ja was making so much money at that moment. He said he did a movie. And the money that Def Jam paid him, he just gave it all to his moms. He didn't even need it, man.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's how you do it.

[Wise P]

I was like, that's some gangster ass shit. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's some gangster ass shit. I want to be able to do that someday. Word out. Just. I don't even want to check this sentence of my mom's.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's a fact, man. They killed that.

[Wise P]

He said that, man. I've always had respect for him. Yeah.

[Memphis Bleek]

Nah, man.

[Wise P]

Orchestra strength for that. You remember when you first bought your Honda Accord?

[Memphis Bleek]

It wasn't mine.

[Wise P]

It wasn't even yours?

[Memphis Bleek]

No, it wasn't mine.

[Wise P]

Oh, I thought it was yours.

[Memphis Bleek]

It was a girl that I knew.

[Wise P]

Just borrow it.

[Memphis Bleek]

I used to front like it was mine. I even rapped about it in Miv. Bleak is. I was on my. What was my dude name? And baby boy Cody. That was Cody got it rimmed up. Wasn't even mine. Well, it wasn't mine, though.

[Wise P]

But Gabby, it was yours. Me, you, you ready for. You ready for that? Me, you, and who else?

[Memphis Bleek]

Raz.

[Wise P]

Kaz.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yo, Raz.

[Wise P]

Kass was the biggest star of the whole of us at that time.

[Memphis Bleek]

I tell niggas all the time that Raz was the homie. Remember, he took us to these chicks crib.

[Wise P]

I'm time to tell a story.

[Memphis Bleek]

Let me tell it. Let me tell. Yo, my G. Yo, Gab, I know.

[Wise P]

We go to these Japanese, yo, we.

[Memphis Bleek]

Get to the crib, they like. Now, mind you, you was with Raz already. You like, bleep, come scoop us.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Memphis Bleek]

I'm like, all right, I'm on my way. I'm kick y' all up. I get with these niggas. Raz like, yo, I got some joints in the Lower east side.

[Wise P]

Lower east side, that's a heavy belt.

[Memphis Bleek]

Let's go. He like, we get to the crib. Yo, my G, this wasn't rush hour. You know Rush hour, they open the door. All the Japanese joints. Like, what do you like? No, wasn't that shorty had every cat ever made. Like, Ally Siamese. Whatever cat they made, she had them all. It was like 100 cats in the crib.

[Wise P]

That's a fetty.

[Memphis Bleek]

And she had three friends. It was three girls in the crib.

[Wise P]

And they kicked us the fuck out.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah. Cause I was raving about the cats. Like, I don't do this. I'm looking at Raz like Nicki does not Raz.

[Wise P]

Raz stayed. Raz like, aha. He laughing and suit. We had to go.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yo, bro, the tour life was different. My G. Shout out Raz Cassidy. Shout out to Raz Cassidy. Met them girls to be like, yo, I got some Japanese girls low inside.

[Wise P]

You ain't even you from la. You ain't even supposed to be around here. Yo.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yo, bro, we was wilding back in the day on the road, man.

[Wise P]

Wilding, man.

[Memphis Bleek]

Fucking yo. But then what was y' all cousin name? The producer. Damn. What was my man name?

[Wise P]

The duda man? Runner.

[Memphis Bleek]

Runner. Jay fucking Runner.

[Wise P]

Oh, man.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yo, listen, you know how it is. There's Kanye west, this just Blaze. There's Ski Beats, there's Primo. Jay Runner was supposed to be one of those names, bro.

[Wise P]

His last name, Stout. His name is Gerald Stout.

[Memphis Bleek]

I forgot he related his cousins on both sides. Yes. That's how I met Rian. Through y', all, too. God bless Mike G Rean.

[Wise P]

His mother's side got that all through y'.

[Memphis Bleek]

All.

[Wise P]

His veto.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yes.

[Wise P]

And his mother's side is Stout.

[Memphis Bleek]

Jay Runner was one of the illest producers. When I first did my first album, he came through with all the smoke for the first album. Remember? He did Stay Alive in New York City.

[Wise P]

That's a fact.

[Memphis Bleek]

And he did the song we did now. N O W N of the world. I remember when we. When he played the beat, I was like, yo, I don't know. And you was like. You and have was like, what, man? I got the hook for this shit already. Now we think it's in the world. And I'm like, let me hear it. N spit the hook. And the rest was history. We went dumb on that.

[Wise P]

And he did this shit with. With Vidvito and. And too short.

[Memphis Bleek]

And too short. Yeah. All good A week ago.

[Wise P]

All good a week ago.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah. No, Jay Runner was special with it, bro.

[Wise P]

And he did the dmx. He was special.

[Memphis Bleek]

I was wondering. I always wondered, like, why did Jay. Why he fell back, like, from making beats or anything, you know?

[Wise P]

I don't think he ever fell back. I just think he just, like. It was all family.

[Memphis Bleek]

Family.

[Wise P]

Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

[Memphis Bleek]

It just got complicated.

[Wise P]

So when things get, you know, complicated and, you know, he's. He was just like, yo, yes. You know what I'm saying? I don't want nothing to do with nothing. But it was all love. I don't really know how it went any other way, but it was definitely it was a family.

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[Memphis Bleek]

Remember Ears? Remember Iz?

[Wise P]

Hell, yeah.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yo, Jay Runner. Ears like, we had the store, bro. That's what I mean, man.

[Wise P]

Yo, he used to do funny shit like. Like, like, like. Like Runner was like a bastard sometimes. Like, Jay brought me out of the show at. I think he was there at. In Brooklyn. And we were supposed to. We were supposed to rhyme over the. Over the Tribco Quest joint. Which one? Can I kick it?

[Memphis Bleek]

Yes, you can.

[Wise P]

And he played the vocals on purpose. Cause he was mad at me and Adam.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yo, chill. Jay was. Jay was on some shit. Jay used to be on some shit.

[Wise P]

No, not be, though. It was Runner.

[Memphis Bleek]

Runner on dj.

[Wise P]

No, not Veto.

[Memphis Bleek]

Runner was DJ for a whole. Back in the day.

[Wise P]

That's offended.

[Memphis Bleek]

He was.

[Wise P]

Hold up.

[Memphis Bleek]

I forgot Runner.

[Wise P]

But he was mad at me in half for some in the hood. And he played the vocals.

[Memphis Bleek]

Runner was the first dj, if I'm not mistaken. And then after Runner went Irv Gotti. God bless his soul, cuz. That's how I met Irv Gotti. Irv was J. DJ on the shows. We was running around Wise. Half. That's another thing, man. Why my man Half? Like, I feel like when it came to Brownsville, you got Smith and Wesson, you got Mop. When it come down to Crown Heights, they had y'. All. It's not many groups out of Brooklyn.

[Wise P]

It's not.

[Memphis Bleek]

And y' all one of them groups that I felt like y' all could have been bigger. And I think, why was Half? You probably can't. I gotta get Half up here to ask him. But you maybe can answer this. It's like, why you think Half is really so. I don't want to say Shelter, but he quiet, bro. Like, he ain't. I know he don't care about the fact.

[Wise P]

I'll tell you what it really is. And that's my brother, and I love him. And he'll tell you too, man. He'll walk around and say, yo, you know I ain't doing this rap shit no more. If y' all touch Wise, I'm gonna kill something. Like, he just loved me, like, you know what I'm saying?

[Memphis Bleek]

Always.

[Wise P]

But, like, he didn't feel like the kids game was fair. He felt like talent should have overruled business. So once that didn't work out that way, he was like, this shit ain't fair. I'm done. You know what I'm saying?

[Memphis Bleek]

Definitely ain't, man. The game ain't fair.

[Wise P]

Like, he was like, I'm done. But, you know, for me, you know, you transitioned that.

[Memphis Bleek]

Like, we had the Rangers movement, and then you went from your Chill, chill, chill. Come on. I gotta get into this story too, man. Because before I get into the transformation into my man of wise, we gotta go into how I met Wise. This was Brother Wise. When I met him, this nigga was on his shit hard. Out of 5 percenter, Muslim, all that shit hard. I still studying science on me.

[Wise P]

You eating pork.

[Memphis Bleek]

Come on. You want the Junior bacon cheeseburger? You can't just get the cheeseburger. Bleep. What you doing? So I used to be like, damn, all right, let me get the regular cheeseburger. I'm around the gods.

[Wise P]

Yeah.

[Memphis Bleek]

Gotta respect the gods talking all this shit. Yeah. Queens, the sisters. Gotta get you a strong black one. Beehive was all on this shit. All of them used to jump me with the codes. What's today's mathematics? Be like, oh, shit. All right, cool, cool. But then we get to a party. My man will be like, my milk of magnesium. Oh, my God. My beautiful bat queen. Can you step aside, please? Like, get out of there.

[Wise P]

Let me talk to my milk and magnesium.

[Memphis Bleek]

This cannot be the same God. Oh, God. My dude, you probably don't remember this. I remember asking you. I'm like, yo, but how you do both? Like, nigga, like, bleak. Payback's a bitch. Yo, you told me that in D.C. i like, yo, bro, you be going hard with the other side, cuz. Nigga said payback's a bitch. I gotta get mine back. Reparations, baby, reparations.

[Wise P]

I used to say that. I did used to say that.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yo, you was on some shit. Was that part of the Transformational Wives?

[Wise P]

Nah, nah. I think I just. I think I just, you know, it came to. It just came to a point. Point where I was having so much.

[Memphis Bleek]

Fun with just like, yo, the road was crazy.

[Wise P]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So much fun on the road. And then, like, even when, you know, I wasn't in the spotlight no more, I just was having so much fun in the streets, like, to the point where it was like, hey, you know. You know, do this, do that, you know, go and get to the paper. I ain't tripping off nothing. Just go and get some money. And we. And I did that for a moment, you know what I'm saying?

[Memphis Bleek]

But you thugged it out. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Wise P]

You know, but I just. I just wanna, right now just kinda speak the culture more than actually living the culture. Because in that moment, we was young still. I was trying to live what I was talking about up till I live.

[Memphis Bleek]

That he even had a GI Jane he met. Think about GI Jane on the road. The ultimate Road Warrior.

[Wise P]

Yo, I remember pulling up at 4,040 in the Lincoln Navigator. The joint, when the joint first came out, just was running out. What was it? Running boards. The running boards. Running out the first one. They was the first time. And Tata know this? I seeked him. I had three white bitches in the car.

[Memphis Bleek]

Tata said you had three white girls in the car.

[Wise P]

Excuse me, I had three white. Okay. Women in the car. And Tata said, you ain't never changed.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yo, I knew. I knew you was going.

[Wise P]

I respected the. Yo, it was crazy.

[Memphis Bleek]

I knew it was different. We went to some part. I don't know where we was at, but my man pulled up with two joints with him. And he had on the white mink in the club. Yeah, it was like a white mink in the club with the milk of magnesia. What he doing over there? And then I'm talking to my guy. You said bleak. I'm not just wise P no more. Said, what's up, girl? What's going on? I'm Wise the pimp. And this is the birth of Wise the pimp.

[Wise P]

Yep. But those days is over. We not doing those no more.

[Memphis Bleek]

Okay. No, it happens. God, pimping. Kim was pimping. I went through a little ship. Don Juan was pimping.

[Wise P]

Yeah, I went through a little.

[Memphis Bleek]

You know, I thought I was pimping that one time.

[Wise P]

Yo, I had making easy money pimping on.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yes, I tried. I tried. Rest in peace. My cousin Darmellino, you know, he showed me the ropes. I pimped for one day, yo. Dead ass. One day. Word? You had a 24 hour run one day. Word up. I got down there and was like, damn, I know the hoes and the tricks. I gotta get out the game. I gotta get out the game. How about I quit? I'm out. Tag me out. Tag me out. But, yo, you had your run. Tell me about your run.

[Wise P]

Your shit was.

[Memphis Bleek]

It wasn't 24 hours.

[Wise P]

Yeah, no, no, I had nice run, man. I can't be, you know, mad at it in that situation. I used to just let the bitch, hey, figure that shit out.

[Memphis Bleek]

But, yo, you dropped the Album Whatever happened. Like, let's go back a little bit, because I want to know, like, why y' all album never. Cause y' all had the super, super dope smoker record with Ja Rule blazing on the radios everywhere. On all the Clue tapes. You was mobbing you on the J album. My album. And we dropped a major classic that's underground. The what could be better, bitch?

[Wise P]

My God.

[Memphis Bleek]

Like, oh, my Jesus.

[Wise P]

That was with just Bleezy, yo, my. That was supposed to be gone.

[Memphis Bleek]

Like, I always wondered, like, what delayed the album, like, you know what I mean, from ever happening.

[Wise P]

I think. I think. And I'm gonna say this. This might be controversial. I think at the time we got to Def Jam, first of all, I should have been a Rockefeller. I should have never been over there.

[Memphis Bleek]

And I remember one day, part of fact. Nah, man, it was Rockefeller.

[Wise P]

Yeah, it was still. But I remember you said something to me one day, you said, and it was brilliant. And you was younger than me, and I was like, this motherfucker's brilliant. You said to me, I never let other shit get in the way of what I got going on over here. You know what I'm saying? And, like, you know, I was so. Beehi is my brother to this day, and I love Beehi. And at that moment, Bihar didn't really. He didn't really vibe with Dame.

[Memphis Bleek]

Nope. Bihi and Dame never got along.

[Wise P]

Exactly.

[Memphis Bleek]

Ever. And I used to always figure. I used to always say, how did that. How did that work?

[Wise P]

And out of loyalty. Cause I loved high. I'm like, yo, I'm with you, bro. Whatever the fuck you want to do, I'm with you.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yes.

[Wise P]

And that's how we roll. But I really did want to be with. With the Rock, you know what I'm saying?

[Memphis Bleek]

Different animal for him.

[Wise P]

He was. Yeah, he was a different at that time. And I knew Beehive had my protection, and I knew he was gonna take care of me. So when we went over there, we had a good deal. You know what I'm saying? It was a great deal. We made money. We got a big deal. And I have no regrets for that. But I think we got there at a time like when Kevin Lyles and Leo Cohn was trying to leave and go to Warner Brothers. Remember how they made that move?

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah, yeah.

[Wise P]

Remember they just started recycling everything, you know, and they just started putting as much people out that they knew would sell. And everybody knew it. Remember? Even Music Soul Child left.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah.

[Wise P]

You know, we got signed same time Music Soul Child got signed. We was Doing the runs with him.

[Memphis Bleek]

And I didn't even know that. That's crazy.

[Wise P]

And that music left.

[Memphis Bleek]

I remember when Music Soul Child got signed, that's when they dropped the. Remember, they had the Def Jam ipod, the Rock Box. They tried to give out the air.

[Wise P]

That was that.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah. Cause ya'll song was on there. Yeah, yeah. It was his album, y' all song. Another Ja song, Jay song. And I'm like, they giving out ipods at Def Jam.

[Wise P]

We did a song, a remix with Janelle.

[Memphis Bleek]

Was it Janelle Monae?

[Wise P]

Was Janelle Monette.

[Memphis Bleek]

Oh, just Jonelle.

[Wise P]

Janelle, whatever. And we did, like, a remix to her shit. And it got in rotation in, like, Pittsburgh and in Boston and all that shit. And then they Def Jam, my label cut it, said, nah, and then put Method man on the record, which, peace to God, I love meth. But put him on the record. Because he, at that time probably was.

[Memphis Bleek]

You know, he was super popping. They needed to look for him.

[Wise P]

Yes.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's how the industry do it. You know, they'll be like, listen.

[Wise P]

But I'm like, we already. We got it rocking.

[Memphis Bleek]

Like, let us rock.

[Wise P]

Like, and then we could come behind that.

[Memphis Bleek]

Exactly.

[Wise P]

But they didn't let it happen, man.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's crazy. That's why I always wondered. I'm like, y' all had the records. Y' all had the heat. You had the team. Like, I always wondered what the fuck happened. Behi was fighting. And it's so crazy.

[Wise P]

You bring up B High, always fought for me.

[Memphis Bleek]

It's crazy. You bring up the Bi and Dane relationship. Because remember, B High managed both of us. And I was signed to Rockefeller. And I used to tell B High, yo, when we need certain shit, B High used to be. I'm not talking today. I'm not going up there. I used to be like, all right, cool. I'mma call hov. He be like, yeah, you better tell Hov. Cause I'm a slap the shit out of somebody.

[Wise P]

And you know, he wasn't playing either. He was also about his business, yo.

[Memphis Bleek]

I always.

[Wise P]

It's about his business.

[Memphis Bleek]

The man I am today. I always credit Beyhive for that, bro. Because when we got signed, we was all on the road together, running around doing shows. I remember when Beehive was like, yo, any show you get booked, you gotta let wise and have come out and open the show or perform with you, however we do it. And remember, I was like, I never let my bros open for me. We gonna put them in the middle of the show. So it's like, we perform together. And BHI was always on us, bro. Like, I wonder, was he on you the same way he was on me? Cause he used to always be on me. Like, if you ain't five minutes early, you ten minutes late. Bleak.

[Wise P]

Oh, no, he was definitely on me. He was definitely on me. And if I have to say anything, I have to say he helped me grow into the man that I became later, too.

[Memphis Bleek]

Because I credit him too, bro.

[Wise P]

Cause he was on it early, early, early. He was the first one talking about buying properties. Properties.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yo, you made that money.

[Wise P]

What they call. They call it. Not the. What you call them.

[Memphis Bleek]

The.

[Wise P]

The brownstone.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yes, the brownstone.

[Wise P]

He was the first one on it, bro.

[Memphis Bleek]

On it.

[Wise P]

And I'm like, what the fuck talking about, man? Come on, man. These bitches over here, man. What we doing? This motherfucker trying to buy property. Get out of here.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's what I was grew.

[Wise P]

I was like, damn, this motherfucker helped raise me.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah, man, I knew B was different. We went on a trip, the Bahamas one time, and I'm in the pool wilding, just, you know, like, yo, hi. What you doing? N. We on vacay. Enjoy. We made a little bit of money. And that N. A was like, nah. I said, what you gonna do? Then? Nigga said, I'm gonna sit here and I'm gonna read a book. So you gonna sit at the pool and read a book? He said, yeah. Cause while you swimming, I'm gonna learn how to take over the business when we get back. I'm like, damn, Cole.

[Wise P]

He's a cold piece of work. Cold, bro.

[Memphis Bleek]

I'm telling you.

[Wise P]

Cold piece of work.

[Memphis Bleek]

So I always wondered, like, how y'. All. How y' all even the relationship. When did y' all even cross paths with B? Cause I. I don't know when I met Bhi. He's Jay cousin. I grew up. I always just known them. So how did you meet?

[Wise P]

Well, okay, well, I'm gonna tell you this right now. We keep the cameras rolling. Jay Venom, last name is Stout, but he's also a Carter and Williams on the other side. Could you imagine? Hold on. Being connected?

[Memphis Bleek]

You didn't know that?

[Wise P]

Hold on.

[Memphis Bleek]

So wait, I knew he was Jay and them cousin? Yeah. I found out he's on his face. I never put the connection together. Are you fucking kidding me?

[Wise P]

This nigga has the best of both worlds. And you know what he used to tell me? Yo, I don't really fuck with my family. Like, nigga, are you fucking crazy?

[Memphis Bleek]

Word up.

[Wise P]

You think I'M over here doing shit. Take me to Marcy. I used to come to Marcy. I used to go to the crib. They used to have the long sleeve long johns on and be rapping. And I was rapping and we was like, that's how we connected. That's how I met with B High.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yep. Cause B High was always around.

[Wise P]

Always.

[Memphis Bleek]

Man, look. That's crazy.

[Wise P]

Are you fucking crazy?

[Memphis Bleek]

Yo, we gotta get Jay Runner. Jay Runner getting you out of retirement, dog. I need them beats. Pull up. We back in the lab again. Yo, I seen recently. I don't know who outta y' all crew run the Rangers page, but they released the song re recorded.

[Wise P]

He's right there.

[Memphis Bleek]

We recorded a minute ago.

[Wise P]

He's right there.

[Memphis Bleek]

And I heard it. I'm like, I remember we did that song in y' all crib in Crown Heights.

[Wise P]

I didn't even remember the song.

[Memphis Bleek]

And he put it out. Yeah, I remember the day we did it. I remember the day we did that record, bro.

[Wise P]

That's when I remembered it. I'm like, yeah, I remember we did it.

[Memphis Bleek]

We did that in y' all crib in Crown Heights. Why do y' all hold that heat?

[Wise P]

We didn't. We didn't have. In those days, you didn't have the opportunity to drop when you want to release things like that. And we didn't have a road to advance the record. But if I had a chance, I would have released that word. I'd have been on tune with you. What the fuck is you talking about?

[Memphis Bleek]

And it's crazy that the Rangers never dropped the album. But why is Peter Pimp?

[Wise P]

Oh, yeah.

[Memphis Bleek]

He dropped a few albums.

[Wise P]

Oh, yeah. You know, shout out to static. Selected terminology. They've been rocking with me and showing me love and letting me live. And they gave me a new life in hip hop. When everybody kind of like, wasn't like. They was like, you know. You know. Cause the biggest deal was. I'm gonna tell you this. This is gonna fuck you up. The biggest deal was when I used to go to labels. You remember the record I had with CeeLo Green, produced by Primo?

[Memphis Bleek]

Yes.

[Wise P]

Big record. Big record. Big record. I went overseas, toured, all that shit.

[Memphis Bleek]

Big record.

[Wise P]

I would go to labels and they.

[Memphis Bleek]

Would say.

[Wise P]

He didn't win with Rockefeller. Then why would we sign it?

[Memphis Bleek]

No way.

[Wise P]

Yeah, that was the famous line. If you can't win with the hottest record label, what can we do for you? What's the shit?

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah, that's whack.

[Wise P]

And I was like, damn. So. So you Know when. When static selector and embraced me and the underground kind of embraced me, you know what I'm saying? You know, shout out to Benny and Conway and all those cats that show me love.

[Memphis Bleek]

Definitely shout out to the whole Buffalo, man. The rap scenes. I just told you, them boys, they over there manufacturing rappers because now they got stove guard cooks.

[Wise P]

Yeah, come on, man.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah, yeah, these guys are doing up there, man. These got a plant for rappers up there.

[Wise P]

Well, well, well, we gotta kind of. We gotta kind of take some blame. They've been doing some. Some up there that we been doing down here.

[Memphis Bleek]

No, they definitely found the formula.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Wise P]

And they just been like, get busy.

[Memphis Bleek]

You. You. That's what you speaking on, though, that underground, man. Just doing it.

[Wise P]

So I just embrace it. I'm like, you know what?

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[Wise P]

I'm just go here. I'm gonna go right to the underground and do my thing, you know what I'm saying? And have my fun down here. Yeah, I ain't up there. I mean, no Drake and none of that, but I'm down here and I got respect for my peers and I'm getting busy always.

[Memphis Bleek]

Bro, you one of the illest lyricists. Like I said, man, I got bought. Ain't too many rappers in this game that came to that studio that I would take some bars from that could tell me, yo, bleep. You got that? I got this line for you right here. Come on, bro. You one of them.

[Wise P]

Salute.

[Memphis Bleek]

You know what I mean? So only Jay, you and Beans ever gave me a ball. And Guru shout out. Guru, too. Guru gave me a ball. You shouldn't say it like that. You should say it like that. I'll be like, Guru. You should. You rap then. You got it. Spit that.

[Wise P]

But you know the great thing about Jay, since you mentioned him, like, he was on the ground, too.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yes. He just started on the ground.

[Wise P]

He made it to the next level like I said. But he's a underground ball. Heavy, get busy.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's where he started from. Remember, bro, we used to be in 560 State Street. Like I said in the beginning, man, it be us in the crib. O.C. o.C.

[Wise P]

Shout out to O.C.

[Memphis Bleek]

Like, come on, bro. To have like that around Big Al, God bless, bro. You had to be a real spitter.

[Wise P]

That you had to get busy.

[Memphis Bleek]

You couldn't. O.C. was destroying, like, you had to get busy. This is what I'm saying. And then think he had us around. So that's why I always knew it was something that he felt special about us. That it was there that we could.

[Wise P]

Capture this shit, capture the moment, and I would never be upset at that. And like, we didn't even know about bars, nigga. We used to be writing like 32 bars.

[Memphis Bleek]

I ain't know how to count. Like, yo, we're 16.

[Wise P]

We didn't even know what 16 is.

[Memphis Bleek]

Straight up. I go to somebody and be like.

[Wise P]

Yo, when it's 16, look at the.

[Memphis Bleek]

Page where the 16 bar. They be like, oh, it's right here. Believe you. Stop right here. Like, word. You ain't lying. We ain't know how to count bars. But out of everything the fuck is that?

[Wise P]

Say no.

[Memphis Bleek]

Out of everything you saw, everything you've been through, is it. You have any regrets in music that you feel like, damn, I shoulda, I shoulda did this.

[Wise P]

Do I have any regrets or anything.

[Memphis Bleek]

That you just feel like you let slip through your hands that you just took lightly? Cause I ain't gonna say regret. We don't regret nothing. We street n s. Anything that you took too lightly that you feel like you should have been more serious.

[Wise P]

I took the game lightly. I thought. I thought I was. I thought I was bigger than what I was.

[Memphis Bleek]

I was.

[Wise P]

When I look back at it, I feel like I was trying to. Even with the pimp. Like I was trying to like have the. And have the money and have the fame and I wouldn't fan. I wasn't popping the. Is you doing. Like I should have been. I should have been more around you. Veto. And I should have been just doing that.

[Memphis Bleek]

Like, I don't know.

[Wise P]

I should have never let anything get in between that.

[Memphis Bleek]

But nothing got in between. We never had no issue.

[Wise P]

No, not me. You.

[Memphis Bleek]

I'm just saying, like went your way. We. Everybody went their way.

[Wise P]

Everybody went their way.

[Memphis Bleek]

But I should have, I should have.

[Wise P]

Have went his way.

[Memphis Bleek]

Like I said, you was on your milk of magnesia.

[Wise P]

I was on my milk of magnesia and I was seeing money and I'm seeing cars and had the house in.

[Memphis Bleek]

Jersey when we was so young. That's why I try to tell people 24 today, 21 today. 20 years old today is a different than a 20 year old to a 24 year old back in 90. Because you can see what you can be today. You can look on the gram as a 20 year old and no, oh, I could get the Bentley, I could get the crib, I could get this. We had no clue. There was no one doing these things. So when we got the bread, it was like, oh, we the first ones to do this. Let's go do it. So buying big cribs, buying stupid jewelry, housing.

[Wise P]

I'm doing that without a record.

[Memphis Bleek]

I'm like, yo bro, yeah, it's gonna come back. Like don't. What? They just gave me this for this. It's gonna come back. Like one thing I wanted to always ask you too. Did you ever like mentor any artists? Cause you was a dope lyricist and I feel like sometimes if it don't work for you, you can be a writer for others.

[Wise P]

Well, excuse me. Well, you know, honestly, I have to be happy with where my career is now. It's ysp because I still get the tour, Method Man, Red man tour before I went in and all. I'm still, I'm blessed to be at this age and even be relevant. You know what I'm saying?

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[Wise P]

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[Memphis Bleek]

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[Wise P]

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[Wise P]

However, I do try to take care of who's coming up next. You know what I'm saying? I got an artist named D Guap out of Miami.

[Memphis Bleek]

D Guap, you say? All right, cool. That's what's up.

[Wise P]

Yeah, shout out to her. I'm working with her right now.

[Memphis Bleek]

Oh, it's a girl, too?

[Wise P]

Yep.

[Memphis Bleek]

Oh, shit. She from Brooklyn.

[Wise P]

No, she from my Miami Gardens.

[Memphis Bleek]

D Goo from Miami Gardens. We gotta check you out. D Gooaza.

[Wise P]

We doing that. And that's me and Nay, actually. Oh, wow. So we working on that together. And it's a bunch of young artists that I'm trying to develop because you know why? And this is gonna touch you a little bit because I feel like we let the next generation down. Remember when we was young and if you skipped school, like you had to fight everybody on the block and then go home and get beat by your moms too?

[Memphis Bleek]

Yes. No, that's a fact. You had to learn from certain people.

[Wise P]

I feel like our era, we got so caught up in the bag because the era before us didn't get the bag that we left the young cats out. And now we wondering why they they acting so crazy when we ain't instill nothing in them.

[Memphis Bleek]

No, but they getting the major bag. They getting the super.

[Wise P]

The artists are. But I'm talking about the kids in the streets.

[Memphis Bleek]

Oh, yeah, no, definitely.

[Wise P]

They don't got no manners, no nothing because ain't nobody there.

[Memphis Bleek]

It's the drugs, bro. It's the drugs combined with the Music, it ain't even about. I feel like you had your artists back in the day that spoke that wisdom into these kids. And out there, these kids don't listen to their parents, kid. Why they gonna listen to us?

[Wise P]

We had dudes on the block, though.

[Memphis Bleek]

There's no more dudes on the block. There's cameras on the block. The block is gentrified.

[Wise P]

But I feel like that's on us. Like, why we not.

[Memphis Bleek]

You supposed to show these kids how to get money. See, back in that day, it was only two ways to get money. Either you did it the legal way, or you did it the illegal way. Today, bro, it's a million ways to get money. And you don't have to be illegal. You could be legal, bro, think about it. They have delivery guys on rollerblades. I ordered some food, and the nigga pulled up on skates. Like, come on, bro, If a nigga could skate to me with a order, there's no reason why these young, young boys gotta do what they do, bro. There's too many opportunities now to get money. They hiring for any Uber drivers, Lyft drivers. Like, delivery. Like, remember delivery guys in our day, bro, they just was on the bike in the rain with a backpack.

[Wise P]

That's it.

[Memphis Bleek]

They wasn't bringing you no Domino's order.

[Wise P]

And if you come in the building, we might just take it and just never pay you.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's a fact, bro. You kidding me, nigga? Order the Atlanta. Order the food to the next door neighbor house. And when we see you knocking on the door, n. Give that up. Let me get that. Like, that's how we came up. So I feel like the opportunities now for the kids is there. So I ain't going to say it's on us. I feel like we could have held a little bit more responsibility, but it's definitely not our fault, bro. All right? We was reckless. No one taught us.

[Wise P]

No one taught us.

[Memphis Bleek]

Think about it. We got money. They never told us what to do with. With the money. They told us flaws. Flaws. That's right. Only one person was telling us what to do, and we wasn't listening. Was beehive.

[Wise P]

Yo, I was gonna say the same street, straight up.

[Memphis Bleek]

Everybody else was just telling us, nigga.

[Wise P]

I'm looking at high like, damn. This nigga told me everybody else was.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yo, you went to see Jacob. You ain't go to Jacob yet. That was the shit, bro. What's not, yo, go get the crib. All of that. I feel like it was many opportunities I left on the table, so that's why I asked you that question, like, so.

[Wise P]

You're correct. What's new?

[Memphis Bleek]

What's next in the plans for YSP The Pimp?

[Wise P]

Oh, man, you know me, man. I'm still moving, man. I got a bunch of albums coming, man. Working with Fredro Star, which is amazing.

[Memphis Bleek]

Oh, yeah, that's what's up.

[Wise P]

He's just producing on it, and he's dope, and. And then I got an album coming with Static Selector, Shout Out, Static selector, My man Moose and a bunch of different shit. We did a joint off the same beat.

[Memphis Bleek]

Who, me and you? Yeah. What joint?

[Wise P]

Who was the joint you did? Was the joint with you and Dizza and.

[Memphis Bleek]

Oh, and Benny.

[Wise P]

And Benny.

[Memphis Bleek]

You had the same beat.

[Wise P]

Me and Sauce?

[Memphis Bleek]

No way.

[Wise P]

Yeah, it's called Damn.

[Memphis Bleek]

I was jealous for beat. I was. I stole niggas Beat car.

[Wise P]

Nah, it's just our ears.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's how it. Yeah. And then certain producers find certain groups and.

[Wise P]

Yeah, and our ears hear the same thing. And that's what I was when I listened to it. I'm like, damn, my man. Still, we on the same wave.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah, man.

[Wise P]

You know what I'm saying?

[Memphis Bleek]

I had to get back in the game just to. I felt like this album that I dropped a couple, I was happy for that.

[Wise P]

By the way. Let me cut you off real quick. I was happy for you. I definitely wanted you to come back and keep spitting.

[Memphis Bleek]

I definitely did, too. But I just felt like at the state in life that I'm in, my state that I'm in, bro. Like, I didn't want to come back. Just spitting ignorance because there's nothing I do that's ignorant in my life. I don't make dumb decisions anymore. You know, I'm not walking around. The guns is licensed, the weed is licensed, the liquor is legal. Like, so we not doing none of that. So I felt like if I wanted to, I told my dog Cheech. Cause he was like, yo, man, you left your fans hanging. You just left us with an album. You never dropped nothing, you know, to give us your exit album or, you know, we grew older. You ain't tell us how you grew older.

[Wise P]

And I'm like, damn, damn, that was heavy right there.

[Memphis Bleek]

You right.

[Wise P]

He is right.

[Memphis Bleek]

Like, I left us, you know, So I felt like it was. It was my job to come back and let people know what we doing. On the positive side, that you can get older and still be lit without doing dumb shit.

[Wise P]

I was happy. I was happy. I was happy.

[Memphis Bleek]

Appreciate it, bro.

[Wise P]

I was like, this is the greatest ever. Cause you know what I'm saying. And my man is back to it, man.

[Memphis Bleek]

Word up, man. Shit, y' all should have called. YSP Got some of them bars. You done had me with more pharaohs in Egypt, yo. I'm telling you certain lines. As a kid, I used to be like, nigga gave me a bar and I don't even know what it means, but I was like. I didn't want to sound like the dumb nigga in the studio and be like, yo, fam, what's a pharaoh in Egypt? It's like, nigga, this shit sound hot. Fuck it. Even the J line on when he gave me coming to age, I didn't know what equilibrium was. I was fucking 14 years old. It's like, equilibrium, Whatever the fuck that mean. I'mma say it that way.

[Wise P]

Let's just say it the way he said it.

[Memphis Bleek]

But like, is it any artist you're mentoring now? Besides the female artists out of Miami? Any guys out of New York?

[Wise P]

My man took. My man took he out of Brooklyn. Talking to him. And to be honest with you, it's a lot of artists that kind of already have names that I speak to and talk to.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's right.

[Wise P]

You know what I mean? And. And. And be cool with them and. And talk to them and let them know. Not only the traps, let them know, like, you know, how you can get around things and get. And. And I get to see them flourish more than me.

[Memphis Bleek]

I be like, God damn, I told you some.

[Wise P]

And now you.

[Memphis Bleek]

You winning.

[Wise P]

It was.

[Memphis Bleek]

So how do you feel about the music scene in Brooklyn now?

[Wise P]

You know, to be honest with you, it's a scene. Hell yeah. It's really going down. You know, I own a studio in Brooklyn.

[Memphis Bleek]

Oh, Word. Yeah, me and Term.

[Wise P]

Me and Term and Statics.

[Memphis Bleek]

Oh, yeah.

[Wise P]

Damn.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's what's up.

[Wise P]

He's had one next door and me and Term own one next door.

[Memphis Bleek]

And.

[Wise P]

So I'm always around, like different artists. And I don't wanna say any names. Cause I don't wanna leave nobody out. But like, you know. Cause n. S get mad, like, why you ain't say?

[Memphis Bleek]

Why you ain't show me? I be out there too.

[Wise P]

But yeah, I'm always around, man. And to be honest with you, I'm happy. Cause with the way music is going now, you could just rap.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's right.

[Wise P]

You don't gotta look for that. Remember we used to have to look for that hit? Remember how stressful that was?

[Memphis Bleek]

That's what I tell yo. I be jealous that shit was stressful. Yo, bro, I be jealous of these kids, the way they just get to go and just talk freely and just bag up. They could say this on this record and then repeat it on that record and n be like, yo, it's hotter now. Like, yo, what?

[Wise P]

They could use the same title another motherfucker used. They could use the same beat a motherfucker used. They just.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yo, bro, I'm telling you. I feel you, bro, because I'm gonna tell you a story, right? The first artist that I ever. I ain't never been jealous of no artist. I've been happy for all of y'. All. Do y' all thing. I wish y' all the best. But there's one artist who made me jealous, and he was a home team guy.

[Wise P]

Oh, shit.

[Memphis Bleek]

And it wasn't cause of his money, cause of his fame, none of that. It was just. Cause what he had the power to do. J. Cole, bro. J. Cole was the first artist in history of life.

[Wise P]

He gets busy.

[Memphis Bleek]

That I ever been jealous of. And it wasn't even because of a rap. It was because of a situation. Like you said, how we had to look for the hit. How we, bro, we in the studio, right? Kanye hov. And Kanye had a beat for Cole. And Jay was like, I ain't gonna front call. I think that the one you should with that. And Cole was like, nah, that fire. But I don't. I don't. I don't think that's the record. The direction I want to go in right there. I sat back like, did you just Let me see where this gonna go? He was like, yeah, we got the Workout record. That was his first single on his first album. He was like, I want to go with the Workout single. You know, everybody in the stud like, yo, that's a dope record. But I don't know if it's a single. He like, yo, I'm. I don't care. That's what I feel. I'm like, I never had that power. Yeah, it was a bit like, little nigga, go sit the fuck down. Did you just say so right there? I was like, I don't know if I like this nigga, yo. Then the record come out, right? Four million later, and it went tours everywhere. And I said, that motherfucker. Yo, bro, sometimes as a young nigga, I feel like the older niggas just don't listen to you. And you don't. And when you got certain ties, you not in a position to try to make them. Cause they'll be like, all right, little nigga, go home. Cole was. He wasn't. He ain't have that umbrella, that tie. So he was like, if I'm a die on the stage, I'mma die by my decision. And I always respected that. So that's the. Was the one thing that I felt like I never had in my career. I was no say so.

[Wise P]

No, because it was the pressure, bro. When we was coming up, the pressure for that single.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yo, bro, I was crazy. I didn't want to perform Memph Bleekers at Summer Jam, you know, I thought Myth Bleakers was trash. I recorded the record with Swiss and all that, and I'm like, man, this came out cool. And Jay like, yeah, this going to be the first single, cuz. We was to going. Gonna pick out a. What you think of that? Or meth Bleak is. And he like, this the first single. I'm like, nah, hov. I don't. I don't know. We did. Me and Lenny came up with this, but I don't know. He was like, why? It's like, nigga, I don't think nigga's gonna be saying my name. It's like, bro, you bugging. You doing this shit at Summer Jam? I'm like, no, man, we did it and shit. Work, bro. Like, work. Like, is there any moment in hip hop where you doubted something and you felt like, I don't know. And then the shit just.

[Wise P]

I did a record with DJ Premier. Shout out to Primo. Shout out to Preem. Shout out to Preem. And I didn't know if it was gonna work.

[Memphis Bleek]

A primo record, though.

[Wise P]

Well, listen, listen, listen.

[Memphis Bleek]

Go ahead.

[Wise P]

I felt like I didn't do him justice. I felt like what I did on it wouldn't do him justice. Cause I look up to him so much. That record took me on to all the cool seasons.

[Memphis Bleek]

See?

[Wise P]

Crazy.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's how it go, man. That's crazy that it happened like that, man.

[Wise P]

It was called.

[Memphis Bleek]

You see It. And you just did the tour with Rad and Matt. It was Rad.

[Wise P]

Well, that was 2015. I did the tour. Rad and Matthew and I went away and.

[Memphis Bleek]

But then you just come on off a tour somewhere. I seen you doing a couple shows with somebody.

[Wise P]

Yeah, I was running around with Turin for a little bit.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah, I knew. I seen that, man. How was that? Yeah, man. What cities y' all hit on that joint?

[Wise P]

Oh, man, it was mostly the Northeast and then Boston. Boston, New Hampshire.

[Memphis Bleek]

I love the Boston run. The 95 south run. Starting Boston, ended Miami. The best Run ever. I'm a 95, baby. That's why I made that record. 95, baby. Yo, you ain't lying. Be high, will leave your ass.

[Wise P]

Be high, will leave you.

[Memphis Bleek]

I was just telling a story about that on how now when we went to Waffle House on the road, remember we had a radio interview. I think we was in Maryland at this time, too, and we had a radio interview. It's all of us. I don't think y' all wanted nothing. Cause remember, you was on your God. They cook everything on the swine. All the swine, everything on the same stove. I don't want none of that. God, like, okay, we gonna go get something. Be right back. So wise, and I'm already was in the car. I come back with my food. That nigga B. High, like, you got your food. I'm like, yeah. He's like, then what we waiting for? We don't ready or don't want to interview them niggas. They waiting on you. That nigga jumped in the V. Driver, let's go. Pew.

[Wise P]

Yo, Beehive was with that shit. He was like, handle your business. But it made me a man. Like, it made me understand the importance of being a man.

[Memphis Bleek]

He always used to say to me, man, like, nobody want to pay you to wait on you.

[Wise P]

That's a fact.

[Memphis Bleek]

They paying you handle your job in a professional matter of time. Cause then they don't want you to come back. He definitely was heavy on that, man.

[Wise P]

Shout out to ha.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yo, the best. The best manager ever, bro. I swear, man. I was mad when B High stopped fucking with me. He knew no B High just let us go. He knew we was young and wild and bugging. And we stopped listening. Niggas is like, we too old. We like, I had the goons or at it like, you know what, Bleak? It's time I let you fly on your own, dog. I can't be going on the road with you no more. Y' all niggas don't listen. Y' all crazy. You on your own, cuz. That nigga ain't giving me no. You know, usually you do signed termination pay. I never got terminated. That shit was just one of those hood. Hey, dawg, the prices went up and we ain't serving you no more no more.

[Wise P]

Bricks went up 10 grand.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yo, word out. Niggas went to Africa on me. Word, bro. You ever took one of the Africa trips with me? No.

[Wise P]

I want to go. I was just fucking with this Nigerian chick. But, I mean, that's all came back.

[Memphis Bleek]

You Came back.

[Wise P]

No, I never went.

[Memphis Bleek]

No, no, you went milk of magnesia.

[Wise P]

Oh, I can't.

[Memphis Bleek]

If you had the Nigerian joint, then you just came back. I fucks with you. You back, baby?

[Wise P]

Yeah, I'm back.

[Memphis Bleek]

You back. The real ysp is fucking.

[Wise P]

I want to go. She said the trip is like 12 hours.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah, don't matter. I. Look, bro, listen, we from where you could have died emptying the garbage. I'm putting my life on that plane. Niggas say, yo, Bleak was on his way to Thailand. How long the flight? They never gonna say how long the flight was. They gonna say that nigga was on his way to ball. Now if they be like, bleak got Cliff, he was at the liquor store. What's the first thing they gonna say? What he was doing at the liquor.

[Wise P]

Store, what he was doing.

[Memphis Bleek]

Don't they? What he doing over there?

[Wise P]

Over there, yeah.

[Memphis Bleek]

So God forbid, if shit go down, that man go down. Enjoying life, baby.

[Wise P]

As you should, you know, as you should.

[Memphis Bleek]

So don't be scared of them hours on the plane. But you, you need that Africa trip.

[Wise P]

I just want to feel what it feel like to be with the gods.

[Memphis Bleek]

It's a different feeling, bro, when you land and everybody look just like you and they welcome you home. Like, welcome.

[Wise P]

Like.

[Memphis Bleek]

It's a different feeling, bro.

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[Memphis Bleek]

I got a story about Africa though.

[Wise P]

And I've been all over the planet, but I've never been to Africa.

[Memphis Bleek]

My first time going to Africa was with Jay on the Water for Life tour and they sent out emails because, you know, we was with the UN So they sent out emails to everybody basically outlining everything that you could do that that you got to do. Stay with the group. Don't, don't be outlined with the security. Make sure you, you know, if you then if you want to veer off to the store so you let somebody know. Tall leaders, all this and then it gets to the could go down section. Watch out for the militia. It's like all right, cool, we got a few of those in my Watch out. Like it's like yo, watch out for, you know, anybody trying to pickpocket you or offer you some goods for exchange for money. It's like all right, cool, we got that in Manhattan. It's nothing but then it get to something we didn't have. Landmines. Watch out for landmines.

[Wise P]

What do you mean, landmines?

[Memphis Bleek]

I had to read it twice. Exactly.

[Wise P]

Like, literally, landmines.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah. It's like, watch out for landmines. So I go to the office, I see, Hov, yo, hov. My. You know, I'm with all the. My everything, bro.

[Wise P]

But what the Is this the militia?

[Memphis Bleek]

We got some of those pickpockets and scammers. All my nostril, nav. All good. This right here, though. Landmines, my nigga. I don't think I wanna go to Africa. Why we going, my nigga? Like, we gangster. We do all this right here, this I can't protect us from.

[Wise P]

I can't see it.

[Memphis Bleek]

I think it was, like, bleak. You really think it's gonna be a fucking landmine?

[Wise P]

Where we going?

[Memphis Bleek]

There. They going nowhere. They just telling you what's out there. I said, I know, but what if it's out there? Where we get out there? He was like, nah, man. I'm like, but the militia, too. How about they militia different than our militia? He was like, yo, they militia love us, man. We brothers. They gonna love us when we get there. Trust me.

[Wise P]

Yo, he be knowing shit in advance. It's crazy.

[Memphis Bleek]

And when we got there, the like, my. You, my brother, we love you. Welcome home, my nigga. The say nigga hard, too. I remember asking the dude, yo, why you say niggas like that? He's like, cause you say nigga every song. You say nigga, so me say nigga. I'm like, yo, but you saying it like offensive. He like, how me offensive, nigga? You say nigga, your song. Me say nigga now. No offense, nigga. Yo, I'm like, fuck it, you right, my nigga.

[Wise P]

Yo, that is crazy.

[Memphis Bleek]

I'm telling you. I love Africa. You have to go, bro. It's so much.

[Wise P]

I gotta go. I gotta go.

[Memphis Bleek]

So much information, you know, vibe with your people.

[Wise P]

You know, even still, though, you know, even when I went, you know, Scotland and in Sweden, I mean, I had sex with a blonde and a tanning bed. That was how he goes, that one.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yo, wait, wait. In a tanning bag? In a tanning. How that happened? You came out. Acorn complexion. You definitely came out.

[Wise P]

You didn't close the motherfucker. It was over.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yo, you just need a little bit of rage. Nigga, you black and she gonna give you ankon, yo.

[Wise P]

Hey, let me tell you the other story, right? So, so, so, so, so we got. We Got a layover, right? You ready for this? We got a layover right before we go to the next spot, right? And before we go to the next spot, we got layover. So I met this white dude, you know, I'm performing on stage.

[Memphis Bleek]

She was about to say white girl. You said the white girl.

[Wise P]

No, no, no. White dude. White dude. I'm performing on stage and I'm like, yo. And like, I'm like, yo, we got a layover. Like, you know, where can we go hang out? You know what I'm saying?

[Memphis Bleek]

He said, I got J.

[Wise P]

He said, I got you.

[Memphis Bleek]

I got you. You like? Yup. Let's see where you.

[Wise P]

But here's the. Here's the fucked up part.

[Memphis Bleek]

He took you to a Jamaican party?

[Wise P]

No, no.

[Memphis Bleek]

Cause you know the white guys, bum bum, they know where the spots be at.

[Wise P]

No, he takes me to a spot, and when we walk in, the people in the spot say, he can't come in. He ain't welcome.

[Memphis Bleek]

How he on the no Fly List.

[Wise P]

That's crazy. I'm like, I'm with a. That is bad.

[Memphis Bleek]

I'm with a.

[Wise P]

Who's bad? Yo, but now he was banned from the first spot.

[Memphis Bleek]

One thing I' ma tell you. I said this on my second album. You listen to me. The white guys, they could listen to my. I don't give two fucks. Cause they'll shoot shit up. But I'm telling you, I got the illest. My puzo. When I tell you a what take you to the black party. Remember I met Poozo from. No, from right here. Jersey.

[Wise P]

He's from Jersey. When you get to.

[Memphis Bleek]

We in his casa, he let us use, you know, all his wine. Exclusive. You know my guy Poohs?

[Wise P]

Yeah, that's.

[Memphis Bleek]

But if you hang with Poohs, he'll take you to a yachty party. Have you somewhere like Yardy. We outside, brother. Like, what the fuck?

[Wise P]

He fuck with the chef? Michael the chef.

[Memphis Bleek]

He grimy gate. Yeah, you know that.

[Wise P]

Nah, I ain't know that.

[Memphis Bleek]

He the only white boy part of Grammy gates. I know how. I don't even know how he got initiated, but that's what I'm saying. Don't sleep on the white boys. White boy, that was bad. He was on some gangster shit.

[Wise P]

He took me to two bars. He was banned from one and two. The third one we got in, I'm in Scotland. Everybody else went back to the hotel.

[Memphis Bleek]

I think you was with White Boy Rick. I think you met White Boy Rick.

[Wise P]

Everybody else went back to the hotel. I'm out there dole in Scotland, yo.

[Memphis Bleek]

Talking about white boy Rick. Brings me to Detroit. Is there any city that you ever felt like, damn, these niggas, I don't know. These look like they on some gangsters.

[Wise P]

Chicago done done deal. We ain't even gotta keep talking Chicago. I don't even wanna wear a hat out there.

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[Wise P]

Cause you never know what set it is. Yo, bro, I just be. Just no hat.

[Memphis Bleek]

You know they pulled out a gun on us in McDonald's for that. In McDonald's, bro. My first time in Chicago in McDonald's ordering little quarter Pounder with cheese. Nigga like, hey, nigga, turn your fucking hat straight. He had the blicky out in McDonald's. So I'm like, what hat? You crazy. What hat, nigga? Like, turn. I was like, what the. He's like, nigga, you in Chicago. East side represent a different gang. If you don't know where you at, don't wear no motherfucking hat. That's a fact, nigga. I left the hat in the crib. That's right. The first show I did with no hat.

[Wise P]

Yo, yo, yo, I was on the. I was on the upper. No, not upper. It was on the Method Man. Red man. So. And I went to Chicago and was like, yo, don't wear your hat like this. Don't wear your hat like this. Don't. Wait, fuck it, let's not wear no hats.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yo, I'm telling you, that shit's serious. That shit is for real. That's just serious. Chicago. Shout out all my G's in the side.

[Wise P]

Peace to Chicago. Word up.

[Memphis Bleek]

I done met one of the homies, though, out there, and he showed me the shy, like, nah, dawg, we outside. My dog. Big roady out there. Shout out. Big roady. Boy, the shot is beautiful. Twister. All them guys, man, like, we done made history in the shy, baby. God damn. But I definitely got the blicky pulled out on me at McDonald's. Word. It was like, hey, you better know where you at, man.

[Wise P]

I got off. When I got off the bus, I'm just like. I was a doctor. I mean, hug buster. What you call it?

[Memphis Bleek]

And I was like, what's your favorite city to perform in?

[Wise P]

Favorite city? Damn. I love Connecticut, but. But I'd have to say Virginia.

[Memphis Bleek]

Virginia.

[Wise P]

Virginia. It's between Virginia and Boston.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's hip hop. Boston is hip hop.

[Wise P]

Va is hip hop, bro. Yeah, they love bars. Yeah, they love bars.

[Memphis Bleek]

Oh, come on. You got.

[Wise P]

You know, I'm not commanding no. You know, 3,000 rooms I'm. You know, bro, it don't matter the 1 to 1 million.

[Memphis Bleek]

The vibe is there.

[Wise P]

Yeah, but I'm like, they love bars.

[Memphis Bleek]

So Virginia, your top top. Virginia and Boston. All right, that's what's up. What's wise, P. Top five, all time hip hop spitters.

[Wise P]

Come on, man.

[Memphis Bleek]

What's wise? Don't do that to me, baby.

[Wise P]

Don't do that.

[Memphis Bleek]

Come on, man. Everybody got a top five. What's your top five? Dead or alive.

[Wise P]

Damn. Fuck.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's right. I know your five different number one.

[Wise P]

Veto.

[Memphis Bleek]

Okay. Ho. Whoa.

[Wise P]

He gave me my. He gave me love, and I love him. And he's definitely one of the dopest. Definitely number two. Damn. God damn. It's too. That's tough. Rakim. I gotta go with Rakim.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Okay.

[Memphis Bleek]

Nah, definitely.

[Wise P]

You know, I'm from that era. The God.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah, the God. Seventh letter. You know what I'm saying?

[Wise P]

Oh, shit. Believe it or not, Farrell March. Ooh, that boy get busy.

[Memphis Bleek]

I knew your top five would be different. I fucking said that boy get busy. Number three.

[Wise P]

Number four, Black Thought. He gets super busy.

[Memphis Bleek]

Come on, bro. They just said he a million times better than hov. Who said that? Who said that? Will I am. Will I? He should. I don't know.

[Wise P]

He don't get. He don't even get it.

[Memphis Bleek]

I don't know why his vote hasn't been Will I am said what?

[Wise P]

Okay, shout out to Will I am. But come on, homie, like.

[Memphis Bleek]

Nah. So all I want to hear is that you found Fergie.

[Wise P]

And if you found her, I want.

[Memphis Bleek]

To see this shit. Yo, chill. I want to hear some music. Don't tell me who better than who. Fine.

[Wise P]

Fergie, fine. Yeah, I agree with that. So that's four, right?

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah. You said you put. Well, I am in there.

[Wise P]

No, shout out to him. But.

[Memphis Bleek]

No, no, no. You said hov. Rakim, Pharaoh, March, Black Thought.

[Wise P]

And number five, I'mma go with Sean Price.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's right. They said hov the best. But Sean Price is nice.

[Wise P]

You know what I'm saying?

[Memphis Bleek]

That's how it goes, baby. Well heard up.

[Wise P]

I love Sean Price.

[Memphis Bleek]

Listen, that's my cuz, man, since a kid. I remember the Decepticons moving through Brooklyn.

[Wise P]

Yo, did you just hear what he said?

[Memphis Bleek]

Listen, when you hear that, all my.

[Wise P]

Cousins, that foundation right there, all my.

[Memphis Bleek]

Cousins was in the dc except the car that's found. Foundation like purple, homie. That's why his name was Ruck, you know, Ruckus, like, them boys used to put me on with the bars. Do everything, bro. Like, I miss Cuz like no other, man. I wish I could have got to work with cuz more often, man.

[Wise P]

I did, man. I still have a video of me performing with him in. What was that? Dc, right? It was in DC and he pulled me on stage. Cause he did like some shit. And I redid it to show him like, love and reception. And he was like, come on. I'm like, I don't even know the rhymes. He's like, just rap. And he was just like that. And he was just so much love.

[Memphis Bleek]

And a funny ass nigga will joke you to death, bro. Oh, man, a funny ass nigga.

[Wise P]

And he had a big ass hand. So he'd be like, yo, wise, I punched through car buses. Yeah, I'm telling you, school buses. Sorry.

[Memphis Bleek]

What's going? Fucking holes crazy. We was at a show in Germany and I'm like, yo, I'm gonna go get my cousin. He's like, you got a cousin in Germany? I'm like, nah, nigga. My cousin out here performing. He like, who? I'm like, sean Price? He like, that's your cousin? I'm like, yeah, man.

[Wise P]

He's like, yo, oh, that was like your blood cousin.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah, bro. Like, we grew up together. Steel from Smith and Wesson ruck. My cousin T. White Tech still salute to y'.

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[Wise P]

That's my brother, bro.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's family. Like buckshot. All of these, bro. I grew up with these niggas in the East. Used to be a Sufflo Rockaway project.

[Wise P]

Shout out to Cephalo projects, Brownsville Brown hypes in the building.

[Memphis Bleek]

Shout out to Plaza, man. Shout out to brc. If niggas never played Street Fighter and Coney Island Jones. You wasn't outside. It's just a fact.

[Wise P]

That's a Fendi belt.

[Memphis Bleek]

You wasn't outside. But you never shot basketball in the brc. You wasn't outside. It's just a fact. Don't be mad at who I am.

[Wise P]

They still do Old school Day over there.

[Memphis Bleek]

But yeah, man, the ville was different, man. Shout out to the fam. Still intact. You already know Smith and Wesson, fucking ruck and rock, man. Helter Skelter, bro. I remember when they picked me up when that album first dropped. Nocturna we went. I was on the promo run with them on that and everything. That's family. They don't understand, bro.

[Wise P]

He might have been like 13, yo.

[Memphis Bleek]

I'm telling you, bro. I had all, like. I had like. It's almost like, how you said about Jay Runner, where he had both sides. I had both sides. Cause I had the attachment to the underground through them, and then I had the side with Jay. But it was always like Jay was trying to get on. They was already on. Duck down was booming since 92, 91, when buckshot and fucking Evil D dropped. Yeah, like, that was my shit, nigga. Like, you just took it back, boy. I was like, damn price.

[Wise P]

That's right, boy. That's my. That's. That's love right there.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's what's up, my nigga. You got. You just took. You got me stuck with that one. Cause I knew your list was gonna be different. I said, Cause wise men mingle with everybody, man. Like you with all the real spitters, man. And I always respected that about you. You kept to the culture and hip hop alive. Like, a lot of people try to talk that, but they don't walk it. You do both. And I always respected that about you. You never change to try to be something you're not. You always stay grounded. Always stay true to your thing. How many groups break up you and have still bros to this day. You know what I'm saying? I just wish that y' all could have got the shine that y' all got with us internally. Cause to everybody in the crew, remember when y' all came around, knew you go to Rangers. Them. Them spitters.

[Wise P]

Yeah.

[Memphis Bleek]

Better have y' all together.

[Wise P]

And that's the great thing about right now. Like. Like. Like you said, Like, I stay in tune. Like, it. It's funny, because the rappers know who's who.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's right.

[Wise P]

The fans know what they know. But the spitters, when they see you.

[Memphis Bleek]

They go, you that guy.

[Wise P]

You that guy.

[Memphis Bleek]

You that guy respect you.

[Wise P]

They know that.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's a fact.

[Wise P]

And that's. That's. That's all it was. Once I get that.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah, that's all that matters. That's a fact. I always say that. Bob G. And I feel like. Like when it comes down to the spitters, the. The fans, they go by what they see on tv, the videos. So if you ain't really put out a bunch of videos, they don't know. But us in this art form, there's.

[Wise P]

No way to put it in art form. Yeah.

[Memphis Bleek]

You know, it's like being a master, you know, boxing or karate special, and you don't know who could kick the fuck out of you or punch your head off, you know? You know, watch out for Shorty. You got that hook. Watch out for this nigga.

[Wise P]

They gonna Kick you, kick your head off your shoulders.

[Memphis Bleek]

So in this business, I feel like they know they put a warning post up on you. Hey, ysp, official spitter bounty on his head.

[Wise P]

Don't get smoked. That's how it go. Yeah, that definitely is what it is, man. And I can't. I feel marvelous about that. And I'm just like, okay, I did what I came to do.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's a fact.

[Wise P]

That's it. And then like, I wake up at 7am and dinero will be like, my phone will ring and it be him. And he'd be like. I'm like, you don't even say hello, yo.

[Memphis Bleek]

No way.

[Wise P]

We just get straight to spitting.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yo, Source always been like that, man. I tell niggas all the time. I remember seeing Source on the projects as a kid.

[Wise P]

This is after super nice.

[Memphis Bleek]

This after we did Celebration too. So, you know, gave me. I thought I was super nice, like 10 speed weeding. Oh, can't with me. Now I watch. So I seen Source walking through. I'm like, what up? You ain't Jay. Think you better than me. You can't with me. I'll burn you. I'mma let ho.

[Wise P]

You said that.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yo, bro, Word talking to Source like, ho gonna know I'm the real. I'm what? He like, what? I said, spit some shit. I'm like, I spit my little sheet like that dope. Yo, bro, that spit a verse. This is the. This is before he put it on the tape. This one, he was like, niggas think they Chinese the way they duck sauce. I heard that verse before the world.

[Wise P]

Before the whole world.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yo, bro, that nigga made me feel like the nigga in Last Dragon. My straight up looking at that nigga like, yo, bro, teach me some moves.

[Wise P]

What was the nigga your last Dragon name again too?

[Memphis Bleek]

Bruce Leroy. Bruce Leroy, Teach me some moves, dude. Word. I went to the studio with Source that day and we did the song together. You know, we got a song on his album that's a classic to this day. I love it.

[Wise P]

I just want to say, if we'd.

[Memphis Bleek]

Have kept that 4mm, we was original, though.

[Wise P]

I always think it would have been monstrous.

[Memphis Bleek]

I always think the money got involved. Niggas started making too much money too fast. You know, money give a lot of people power, or at least they assume they got power and then they got their own ways. They own feelings, they own crew, they own vibe, you know? And now your way ain't the way no more. So I always wanted to talk to talk to Saucer and Find out his version of, you know.

[Wise P]

Yeah. I mean, I don't know. I would like to. But I'll tell you one thing, though. You was always the smartest. You said, ain't letting none of this shit get in the way. I'm going right here. And to be honest with you, that was the way to go.

[Memphis Bleek]

No. Cause I knew wise like, one thing as a kid, I knew, like, J. And them was always them niggas to me. Growing up, seeing them with the cars, with the jury, the money. Being in the house, seeing the room all white, ACs, floor model TVs, it was like, man, I want to be with that. Like, whatever it take. If I got a suite, I got to wash the cars. Whatever it take, I'm fucking with them. So when they gave me my opportunity, because, remember, they was way older than me. I was the young boy. So when they gave me my shot, it was like, I'm not gonna fuck this up, dog. I'm not gonna let the noise outside there distract me from what the goal is. Cause the goal was get the mom. My mom's out the hood, bro.

[Wise P]

Yeah, word up.

[Memphis Bleek]

That was it. And I feel like I accomplished that. That's when I went Hollywood, and they clipped me, left me off the tour. You know what I'm saying? Moms moved out. I'm like, oh, I don't need this rap shit no more. We good.

[Wise P]

I'm like, all right, man.

[Memphis Bleek]

Peace. We going on tour with Bad Boy. Wait, I wasn't that good, nigga. Bring me.

[Wise P]

Here's the ill shit. My mama don't wanna leave the hood. I'm getting called my whole block Crip. I'm getting calls from my mom, from my peoples, talking about, yo, we just saw your mom's at the gambling spot. I'm like, otb, a lotto. They like, nah, nah. She at the trap Carlo spot 5B.

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I'm like.

[Wise P]

I'm like, mama. They like, don't worry. We. We gonna get it home safe. We love you, God. I'm like, I'm glad I got love in the hood.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's a fact, bro.

[Wise P]

They gotta walk my mama home now.

[Memphis Bleek]

Moms wanted to go. Moms used to be like the was.

[Wise P]

You do in that Carlos crib, yo.

[Memphis Bleek]

Word up. Like, my grandmom's God bless. She was the stubborn one or something. I ain't leaving, she said, because I.

[Wise P]

Ain'T got no friends. I don't want to come to Jersey. I got no friends.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yes.

[Wise P]

That's what I was trying to say. She ain't want to.

[Memphis Bleek]

You hear me? I mean, new friends and bring the old ones, too. Y' all better come on. Yeah, better come on. Jump on, Lee. Like they said in Russia, Jumon Lee Shamon. Word up, man. So peace. What's on the horizon for wyze? Like, people wanna, you know, find out what's new for Wise P. Where can they go check in and tap in that.

[Wise P]

Oh, man, you can go to Wise P Music, WASP Music on the Instagram. I mean, I'm. I'm. I'm consistently putting out new albums and a bunch of stuff coming out. So you. You're not going to be in at any loss of me continuing to spit this fire at as much at. At as much rate that I can. Because therapeutic for me.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's right.

[Wise P]

You know what I'm saying? It ain't even about the dollar no more. It's more therapeutic and I'm looking forward to that. So, yeah, we got a bunch of stuff.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's right.

[Wise P]

Happening. I would say I got seven albums dropping this year, but my man over here won't let me tell that. But I said, whatever you do, don't get up there and say you got seven albums.

[Memphis Bleek]

But listen.

[Wise P]

But I got a lot of work.

[Memphis Bleek]

One thing I do know, my G, I'm a bro of yours for life. I'mma always respect and love you like a brother of mine from my mother. And I owe you, my G, because you hit me a minute ago and you was like, yo, bleak, I need a verse. But I was too busy trying to get this together. So I wasn't even on that time, like. But now send me that joint.

[Wise P]

Cause y' all see it right here.

[Memphis Bleek]

Listen, I wouldn't have said it.

[Wise P]

Cause I wouldn't have said I wasn't gonna say it.

[Memphis Bleek]

Listen, I don't eat Captain Crunch. I don't watch superheroes that wear capes. All right? I only like Scarface after rap. A lot records, yo, why is that.

[Wise P]

The same way I feel.

[Memphis Bleek]

You know what I'm saying? So capping ain't in my DNA.

[Wise P]

There you go.

[Memphis Bleek]

I didn't even like cap guns. I only like real.

[Wise P]

Yeah, I never liked the joints of the little. The little red joints who cap.

[Memphis Bleek]

I guarantee they play with cap guns.

[Wise P]

There you go.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's a fact. Another episode. Rock solid podcast. You know what it is? YSP the pimp.

[Wise P]

Yeah, I'm still in the win with no girlfriend. Bitch.

[Memphis Bleek]

You know it. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows at and you can follow me on any social media platform under the name Memphis Bleak. You see anybody frauding? Flag them.

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[Wise P]

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[Wise P]

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[Memphis Bleek]

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[Wise P]

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[Wise P]

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[Wise P]

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