D4vd’s 50TB of Evidence: CSAM, Chainsaws, Burn Cage, Inflatable Pool & Body Bag

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Rotten Mango — Episode Summary

Podcast: Rotten Mango
Host: Stephanie Soo
Episode: D4vd’s 50TB of Evidence: CSAM, Chainsaws, Burn Cage, Inflatable Pool & Body Bag
Date: May 17, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode of Rotten Mango offers a thorough, chilling deep-dive into the disturbing true crime case surrounding musician and streamer "David" (d4vd) and the murder of minor Celeste. Host Stephanie Soo dissects Internet rumors, legal filings, forensic details, and the psychology around the case—covering topics from cryptic livestreams, songwriting, evidence in digital media, and speculation fueled by pop culture and manga, to the logistics and psychology behind the crime.

Stephanie brings her characteristic blend of dark humor, empathy, and meticulous research to break down the facts and the wild theories surrounding a case that’s captivated (and horrified) the true crime community.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The 4th of July Livestream & Internet Sleuthing

• [01:07] Context of a viral Twitch stream filmed in one of David’s bathrooms
  • Sakura (streamer) and friend Asia are prepping for a party
  • Viewer speculation about clues or evidence in the background
  • Weird behavior: eating in the bathroom, worry about doxxing, comments on bugs and smells
  • Notable Quote:
    “She’s sitting on the ground … David apologizes for the smell, and she’s like, don't worry about it, I also took a shit.” (Stephanie Soo, 01:58)
  • Speculation about "Celeste" being present—not the victim but an older woman of the same name, likely to muddy the waters about which Celeste people refer to
  • Conversation about bugs (spiders, “oval ones”), leading to Internet theories about decomposition, reframed as more likely just living in “disarray”
  • Background conversations: “Oh, you forgot about the car, huh? Wow, son.”—speculated to reference moving the Tesla with Celeste’s body, but possibly just an Uber
  • Rumors about overheard phrases like, “What happened to the other Celeste? We killed her.”—Stephanie casts doubt on these, suggesting confirmation bias and poor audio quality
  • [06:13] “With added subtitles, our brain does the weird thing where we’re like … oh, yeah, totally, that’s what I hear. But you really cannot hear it.” (Stephanie Soo)

2. David’s Post-Crime Behavior and Lyrics as Evidence

• [08:00] David posts supposedly new music days after the killing, with lyrics referencing blood, running away, and heartbreak
  • Legal experts speculate the prosecution will try to use lyrics as evidence
  • Notable Lyrics from “Favorite”:
    “I’m bleeding out and my blood stained your clothes. Would you let me die on you again?”
  • Stephanie explains legal precedent for using lyrics in court is murky, especially in California
• Discussion of a TikTok featuring a “finger” prop (Jujutsu Kaisen reference), now re-examined for meaning, though Stephanie dismisses occult interpretations

3. Timeline After Celeste’s Disappearance

• [13:39] The “Marcescence” Album drop: Symbolism of withered leaves—possible metaphor for clinging to the past or hiding remains
• [14:00] David remains publicly active but under the radar; DMs show he’s tracking discourse about him online

4. Evidence & Forensics: Car, Body, and the “Plan”

• [17:15] Stephanie questions the lack of planning behind leaving Celeste’s remains in a car parked on LA streets for months:
  • “It doesn’t make any sense. … What’s the plan?” (Stephanie Soo)
  • Exploration of possible motives, trophy-keeping, or psychological denial
  • The manga “MPD Psycho” is referenced, with parallels drawn between the story and elements of the case (missing left eye, dismemberment) [24:33]
  • Missing fingers: speculated yakuza symbolism, atonement, or simply as a crude means to remove a tattooed finger (“David” tattooed on her left ring finger)
• Forensic anomalies:
  • Chainsaw vs. handsaw for dismemberment; conventional wisdom says chainsaws leave too much evidence, but forensic studies show otherwise if used with care [47:30]
  • Burn cage and inflatable pool: orders made, but seemingly unused/left behind
  • Odd logistics: Why wasn’t the garage more thoroughly processed by police if prosecutors believe dismemberment happened there?

5. Law Enforcement Timeline & Failures

• Police early interactions: David denies knowledge, but has a yearbook photo of Celeste, which is suspicious [22:24]
• Celeste reported missing twice—police fail to effectively follow up after the first incident
• Evidence that David manipulated school peers (paying a classmate $1,000 to get Celeste a secret phone)
  • “The teacher was like, ‘Oh, yeah, I taught her … she ran away from home. The cops found her in Hollywood, brought her back to our school.’” (Stephanie Soo, 24:33)

6. Digital Evidence and Court Strategy

• 40 terabytes of data seized from David’s digital devices, including significant CSAM (child sexual abuse material) but possibly not that all 40TB is CSAM [53:17]
  • “Even any trace of CSAM… I think people should get life in prison.” (Stephanie Soo, 50:14)
• Misreporting by media, rumors of a “snuff film” debunked; DA clarifies no such video exists

7. Theories and Speculation

• Internet theorizes everything from occult sacrifice, trophy-keeping, to incompetence
  • “He just sounds like a narcissistic kid, not a genius ... he’s not intelligent, he’s just a moron who thought he could get away with it.” (Redditor quoted by Stephanie, 30:02)
  • Cooling vs. burning remains: some wonder if he was waiting for decomposition for easier disposal
  • Why did nobody notice the smell for so long? Timing, heat, potential plans to burn, etc., all debated

8. Autopsy & Final Revelations

• Missing left eye and fingers; likely due to decomposition and crude efforts to remove identifying features
• Pregnancy rumors addressed: autopsy inconclusive, but no fetus found. Explicit messages discuss sex, pregnancy, and contraception
  • “[Celeste] still had braces.…she looks like a child.” (Stephanie Soo, 50:14)
• Significant CSAM evidence includes explicit photos of Celeste, messages discussing sexual activity at age 13

9. Private Investigator’s Findings

• Homeowner hires a PI (after learning David was not the official tenant) to comb through belongings
  • PI discovers burn cage, chainsaw, SD cards with images from Santa Barbara
  • PI speculates much about where the murder/dismemberment may have happened, raising further questions about police forensics [44:58]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the livestream’s uncanny casualness:

  “David apologizes for the smell, and she’s like, 'don’t worry about it, I also took a shit.'”
  —Stephanie Soo [01:58]

• On Internet speculation:

  “It almost seems like he’s doing it to be like, oh, well, there’s a missing girl named Celeste that I have ties to, so I’m showing everyone it’s not that person. It’s just like a really weird moment.”
  —Stephanie Soo [05:09]

• On post-crime behavior and lyric analysis:

  “He could have lied about it, he could have written it two years ago, right. But this is what he claims.”
  —Stephanie Soo [09:32]

• On the ultimate question of motive and plan:

  "It doesn’t make any sense...What’s the plan?...If he did, what’s the plan?...Eventually it would come back to him."
  —Stephanie Soo [17:15]

• On incompetence over evil genius:

  "He just sounds like a narcissistic kid, not a genius. I honestly think he took [the fingers] to Santa Barbara and launched them off a cliff..."
  —Stephanie Soo reading Reddit theorists [30:02]

• On the vast digital evidence:

  "When she was found in the trunk, she still had braces…Everyone wants to say she’s 15…she’s like a baby."
  —Stephanie Soo [50:14]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Livestream Dissection & Early Foreshadowing — [01:05]–[06:13]
• David’s Lyrics, Social Media & Legal Relevance — [08:00]–[13:39]
• Post-Crime Timeline & Album Symbolism — [13:39]–[15:04]
• Planlessness, Manga Parallels, Missing Body Parts — [17:15]–[30:02]
• PI’s Investigation & Physical Evidence — [38:34]–[47:52]
• Forensic Chainsaw Myths & Garage Cleanliness — [45:56]–[48:49]
• Digital Evidence & Legal Discussion — [50:14]–[54:13]
• Internet Theories & Next Steps in the Case — [54:07]–end

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Podcast Tone & Approach

The episode is equal parts empathetic, skeptical, and analytic. Stephanie balances a willingness to consider wild Internet theories with insistence on logic and forensic facts. Her tone is direct, often irreverent about the criminal and system failures, but always careful discussing the victim and legal seriousness.

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Episode End & Next Steps

Stephanie wraps by highlighting the still-unanswered questions, especially about possible accomplices, forensics gaps, and the upcoming preliminary hearing. Part 2 will focus on suspects, legal defense strategies, and more on the unfolding trial.

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Summary prepared for Rotten Mango listeners and true crime community by Podcast Summarizer AI. For those who missed the episode, this breakdown captures the critical facts, quotes, and narrative arc in Stephanie Soo’s signature deep-dive style.

Transcript

[A]

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[B]

Bada bing, bada boo.

[A]

In the 4th of July livestream that the Twitch streamer Sakura was filming, there's a moment. So the whole livestream. I'm just going to give you some context. This is the part of the live stream that people have been piecing together and clipping and posting. It's gone viral because a lot of people think that there's clues in their foreshadowing. There's just a lot. But she is primarily getting ready in one of David's bathrooms. I don't think that this is his primary bathroom. There were a lot of people believing it was because I watched like all two hours of it and it seems like a secondary bathroom because at one point Sakura is looking for Q tips. And Asia, who's David's friend, who's also getting ready with her for this fourth of July party, is like, oh, I think there's Q tips in David's bathroom. So this seems like maybe a guest bath. They're getting ready most of the time and it's primarily just Sakura and Asia. Neo and David are kind of in and out of the bathroom and then once they're done getting ready, they get changed and Sakura orders food to the house, which she proceeds to eat in the bathroom. Now a lot of people have like picked up on that and they're making comments about that. I think it's just like a Thing that streamers do because they don't want to set up too many frames a lot of the video. They're also very stressed about doxxing, of showing too much of the house, where people find out exactly where the house is in the hills. So maybe it's just convenient. But she has her camera set up near the bathtub. She's sitting on the ground. Neo comes in and is sitting next to her. She eats. David apologizes for the smell, and she's like, don't worry about it, I also took a shit. And then eventually she leaves her phone and she just leaves. So she's like, oh, I gotta go do something. She leaves the live stream. There's people still watching. David and Neo are now standing there. And David netizens say, David starts looking a little concerned and he's like, where did they go? Where did they go? And Neil responds, oh, they went to the bathroom. And David looks behind, behind him, where there's a water closet in the bathroom, like a toilet in there. And he's like, there's a toilet right there. Yep. But all of us are in here just hearing. And then David kind of blinks and he walks out and you can hear him instructing them which bathroom to use. Now, I don't necessarily think that there is a body in the house at that point, because that would be incredibly ballsy. But maybe there's places where there could be evidence of something, is what most netizens believe.

[B]

The prosecutor said the body has been in the car.

[A]

Yes. So it doesn't seem like the body is in the house, which some people were speculating, like, oh, what if he was keeping her body in one of the rooms? I think that would have been incredibly ballsy. I don't think. Ballsy, risky. I don't think that he would have done that. Now he walks out, instructs them on the specific bathroom. And throughout the stream, you're going to hear them reference a woman named Celeste, who is also there during the live stream. And at first people thought this was proof that a lot of live streamers knew about Celeste. Right. Because they're like, oh, Celeste is here, but she doesn't want to be on camera. Neo keeps saying, like, Celeste is here, but she doesn't want to be on the stream. People thought it was the Celeste, but it's not because at this point she would be deceased. Now, Celeste Herrera is the one that they're talking about. And if you remember the original two videos that we made, there is an older Celeste, an of age Celeste that was commonly referred to as decoy Celeste. Netizens felt like David brought this of age Celeste into his life so that when people ask about Celeste, he can say, oh, you guys are getting confused. I never date this minor name, Celeste. I was dating this girl named Celeste and she's an adult. And some people say that she even looks similar to the real Celeste, though I don't know if that's true. People think that this was his way of causing confusion about who was really with him at these concerts and at these events. But there's this very interesting moment where David takes the livestream camera. He's holding it around like he's almost like a selfie video. Right. But it's a live stream. And he turns to the side and shows Celeste, who has not wanted to be on camera this entire time. And everyone's been like, oh, Celeste is here, but she doesn't want to be on camera. Celeste is here, but she doesn't want to be on camera. He picks it up and intentionally shows her, or at least in my feeling it feels intentional. And he goes, oh, sorry. And she's like, what the heck?

[B]

That was the end of the action.

[A]

Yeah. But it almost seems like he's doing it to be like, oh, well, there's a missing girl named Celeste that I have ties to, so I'm showing everyone it's not that person. It's just like a really weird moment.

[B]

Weird, yeah.

[A]

One of the girls. This is another point of the livestream that has been picked apart. One of the girls tells David that he needs to get the bug spray because there's little spiders everywhere. To which he calmly responds, oh, for real? They ask her, and she responds that it's not the oval ones. That's what it sounds like she's saying. Now, some netizens believe that oval ones, she could be referencing maggots, but I. I don't know if that's like a common way that someone would refer to oval ones. Oh, it's bugs, but they're not the oval one. I think it would be very hard to not be able to clearly distinctly differentiate between spiders and maggots. So that's also weird. I guess she could be referring to American house spiders, which are a little more oval in shape, but that's also weird to differentiate. Like when you see spiders in someone's house, you're not going to be like, oh, it's this subspecies of spiders, the American house spider, that I'm fighting in your house.

[B]

So what do you think? Why. Why they.

[A]

We don't know, but it seems like there's lots of bugs in the house, maybe even different types of bugs. And you can hear someone saying like, oh, there's, you know, a bug spray near the staircase railing. So it seems like there's bug spray readily available. Now, I will say that spiders are very attracted to decomposing bodies. They're not attracted in the sense that maggots are. Maggots will actually feast off of decomposing flesh. Spiders feast off of maggots and flies, so they're not attracted to the body itself, but they are predators of what the body attracts. So. But I also know that just from the live stream footage and clips, he seems like he likes to live in disarray. There's food and trash everywhere. So I just, I don't know. Then at one point people say that you can hear David and Neo having a separate conversation in the background. And this is where people point the finger a lot at Neo. But Neo, it sounds like he's saying, oh, I forgot. And it's sounds like David is saying something like, oh, you forgot about the car. Huh? Wow, son. Now some people are insinuating that this is. Oh, Neo knows that he needs to move the Tesla and he forgot to move the Tesla and David is upset. And this is maybe when they first started moving the Tesla. But I will say it maybe could also be referencing an Uber because pretty quickly after that conversation, they go outside and get into a car to go to the 4th of July party. So it could be that. And I. Yeah, I don't know. Now there's another part that even people like Nancy Grace have been showing on her channel, which it's Asia and Sakura are in the bathroom getting ready. And in the background you can hear the other Celeste talking. And it sounds. They put subtitles, right? And it's like, oh, what happened to the other Celeste? We killed her. I don't think at all that that's what they're saying, because first of all, you cannot. I mean, if someone says that they can matter of fact, for certain say this is what they're saying, I think they're lying because you really cannot decipher anything. I think with added subtitles, our brain does the weird thing where we're like, oh, yeah, totally, that's what I hear. But you really cannot hear it. And second of all, I don't think that they're that dumb. I think David is dumb. I don't think he's that dumb because he does make effort to hide this. So he's not gonna Suddenly be like, you know what, everyone, let me just tell you what happened. Then. August 12, 2025, less than a month before Celeste's body is found, he posts that he made a new song about like five minutes ago, and he thinks it's beautiful. So he posted on Twitter. And again, I think that this is relevant because I do believe in. Legal experts believe that his lyrics are going to be. They're going to try to bring it into court. I don't know if they're going to get away with it in the state of California. I think that Lil Durk, there's something happening with another musician, Lil Durk, who Brian Steele is representing, if you guys remember him from young thug Sean Combs. But this has been like a huge thing all across the states of trying to get lyrics in. But this is written after the alleged killing and dismemberment, so it's maybe holds even more importance. But the song is called favorite and it has since started making its rounds as people think that it sounds like Celeste point of view in their relationship. The lyrics read, can you feel the weight on you? I'm running away from you. I'm hiding my face from you. I needed some space from you. I'm bleeding out and my blood stained your clothes. Would you let me die on you again? This is a song that he allegedly wrote four months after allegedly killing Celeste. He could have lied about it. He could have written it two years ago. Right. But this is what he claims. The rest of the lyrics read, I can travel all night to you no matter the distance. I'm still waiting for the day when I become your favorite but I can see it on your face. You're in love with my replacement. Whoa. Then, August 15, 2025, he writes two new songs. Home and Friends are on my archive now. These are not bonus tracks to Withered. These are not on the deluxe album. Netizens think that this time frame of writing and releasing songs is again, could be more heavily analyzed because this is maybe his psyche, maybe his creative expression after the killing. Notable lyrics to Home read, no matter where I go, you still feel like home. Can't you see that I'm in pain? When I needed you the most, I started writing songs about you. Wish I had my arms around you. I was lost until I found you. Sometimes I feel like I'm drowning. Every single day I'm trying to find my peace but I can't cope. Notable lyrics for Friends include, Baby, would you lie for me? Would you die for me? Would you put yourself on the Front line for me. Do it all, but don't you dare say goodbye to me. There is a TikTok in August of David showing off a cut finger which everyone at the time assumed it to be anime related. However, now people are wondering if this is Celeste's real finger, which I don't think is true at all. It actually does look like the finger prop of one of the famous like the Sukuna finger props. It's a very famous anime. It's like a fake anime finger. But the Sukuna fingerprop people have been now dissecting the meaning of it because it's from Jujutsu Kaisen. I've never seen it or read it, but it's. They have Sukuna fingers in the series where Sukuna fingers are the severed mummified remains of the King of Curses. So the King of Curses decided that he was going to divvy up his souls into 20 of his severed fingers and make them these indestructible cursed objects. And when you collect all 20 of them, he can be like reincarnated or something like that. The fingers are volatile objects that attract other cursed spirits. You can't destroy a finger. You can try to suppress it. You can eat the finger, but that would lead you to becoming a finger vessel, a soul vessel. There's like a whole lot to this that I think it would take me quite a bit of time to really dive into accurately, though I'm not sure it really even holds much importance to the case. Just some needed context if you're going into the thick trenches of this Internet discourse. For this case, people think that maybe he kept the finger because it represents a soul. And he seems like the type, and I'm not saying that this is true, but he seems like the type to believe in the Illuminati and sacrifices and self importance of, oh, if I keep this, it'll protect me from getting caught. But I don't think it's the finger. But there is a finger in that TikTok. September 4, 2025, he announces his Crocs ad on Twitter. This is huge. September 7th, 2025, he posts on Twitter Withered Deluxe Marcescence out September 19th featuring Malcolm Todd, Keshe Hyunjin, Julia Wolf, Hannah Bang and Realis K. A lot of people have been dissecting the meaning of marsessence, which is the word that describes the phenomenon where during the winter some trees will hold onto their withered leaves. So most trees will shed all their leaves until they're just branches. But there are Some trees that won't, they'll just like hold on to the dead, shriveled up leaves. And throughout the winter it just becomes more and more tattered by the elements. And like, no, no one knows why the trees do this. People who study trees don't know why the trees do this. It could be that they shed the leaves later in spring, so the new leaves come out and the old leaves eventually fall in spring, not winter. And that new, the new dropping of the old leaves becomes nutrition for the tree spring. So it's like they're waiting for to use it in spring if they're in an area where there's not as much nutrients in the soil. It's like a whole thing. Some people think, oh, it's because it prevents deer from scavenging on the tree if there's withered old leaves on it during the wintertime when the tree is like the most vulnerable. So there's like a whole lot of theories. It's like a phenomenon, right? But the fact that it's. People think it's a weird thing to name the deluxe album.

[B]

I see.

[A]

Because it's also not a common word. Yeah, it's also not a common phenomenon that really anybody knew about unless you have a really strong liking for trees. And for the past seven months. So after that, Celeste body is found before his deluxe album really drops. And for the past seven months, David has been free and nobody's really heard from him. There are rumors that he was watching movies with the Letterbox account. Others are saying that he was free on Fortnite, but nobody really knew where he was or what he was doing. There are alleged dms between him and another artist by the name of Kaden. With KADEN DMING David. October 15, 2025, a month after Celeste's body is found in David's car. So Kaden released these to a tick tocker and was like, yeah, I was talking to him. And like, I don't know why Kaden is even messaging David, but he messages David in October, Celeste's body has been found. I pray it's all just misinformation. The Internet sucks. To which David responds. Really does so much twisted and fake. I'm sorry, dude. God bless you, twin. Keep going with your music and don't stop for nothing. That's David. Thank you, gang. I'll never forget you helped me so much with the band Lab Shit. Big inspo, bro. Hope you're staying safe for real, man. Love you. Then notably December 18, 2025, he messages David once more, writing I know you're innocent bruh, but like why can't the world know these people are stupid? I do think that Kaden Neese has since change his mind up about all of this, but.

[B]

But what? Even prompt for him to say that?

[A]

Yeah, and I don't think these DMs are doing him any favors. David responds haha with all humility. I would phrase it as mere ignorance rather than unintelligence. Trust in God my friend. How is your journey into faith going? Yet David starts recommending him certain verses. He says that after reading all like the books that cover all of Jesus's life up until his death quote. Then after that read Psalms and Proverbs, which is basically the motivational part of the Bible that teaches you how to pray. Bible is confusing, but if you read it in order, it starts to make sense. Reading it in chronological order is tricky. Lmao. Damn dude. Thank you bro. Of course my goat. When people stop stalking my Instagram followers to make conspiracy theories, I gotta follow you back. Crying emoji. Which I mean, he seems like he's if these are real and legitimate, it seems like he is to some degree keeping up with all of the Internet discourse about him. Obviously. Strongsville, Ohio. A car carrying three young adults slams into a brick building at 100 miles per hour, leaving two dead and one fighting for their life. The 17 year old behind the wheel, Mackenzie Shrilla, was driving her boyfriend Dom and his friend Davion home from a party when the tragedy occurred. Authorities arrive on scene, but what initially seemed like a heartbreaking accident began to look like a calculated crime scene. The crash features interviews with the police, friends and families of everyone in the car as it unwinds the truth of what occurred. Where do the fatal mistakes end and the cold blooded murder begin? Watch the Crash Only on Netflix. Having insurance isn't the same as having State Farm. It's like showing up for movie night ready for a heart pounding thriller. But getting a three hour documentary on lawn care? That's kind of like insurance. Insurance may all seem the same on the surface, but when it comes to getting the help you need, State Farm is the real deal. 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But later in March, Caden wishes David a happy birthday, to which he responds, thank you, brother. A month David was arrested, but the fact that he's still responding to this person on Instagram DMs, he's checking his Instagram account. He's likely reading what's been happening in the news cycle involving him. Like, what is he doing? And a big question in all of this is what the hell was his original plan to even begin with? He allegedly kills Celeste and then what he allegedly goes through with the very gruesome and dangerous task of dismembering her body for the purpose of concealment, all to just leave her in his car that he parks outside his rental house in a city like la, where street cleaning schedules parking tickets. It's towing is fucking rampant. Like, while he goes out on tour. It doesn't make any sense. Which is not to say that he didn't do it, but rather if he did what's the plan? What's the plan? Eventually it would come back to him because Celeste remains. Even if they weren't found, at some point, they would have looked into him. No. So the brief, the preliminary brief that the prosecutors dropped, they detail another thing that's happened. They believe that David met celeste back in January 2022, which is when she would have been 11. He starts allegedly grooming her, violating her. November of 2023. And I will say that a lot of people have been using the word relationship in reference to what was happening, even though charges have been filed. I think that's just a legal thing. I think because a lot of people are trying to stay as close to quoting the prosecutor's brief to legally protect themselves. But I do understand that relationship is not exactly the word that I would personally use. But anyway, he starts allegedly grooming and violating celeste. November of 2023. She's 13, he's 18. Within months of what could be again, grooming, she goes missing. Her family report her missing February and April of 2024. So this is almost like exactly a year before she passes. They report this to the Riverside County Sheriff's Department. So not the lapd, because that's where Celeste lives. And rcsd, they pull up Celeste's phone records and notice that she's been communicating with a very specific number. They call it. It'. During this call, he's just informing the officers, I probably spoke to her last like February 13th, 14th, like Valentine's Day. But he states that he was not aware that she's a minor, let alone the fact that she's been reported missing. So back in 2024, he's like, I didn't know she's a minor. Wow. RCSD. Tell him, okay, well we don't care because we're going to send the Los Angeles Sheriff's Department to your house because that's just what we have to do. The report reads that the LASD, this sheriff's department comes to the house at around 8:15pm this is the previous rental house. I don't know if you care to know this, but it's not the one where her body was found outside. Right? Letting David know, they're like, hey, we're looking for a 13 year old girl, a runaway. That's how they describe her in the documents. And he's claiming, I had no Idea she was 13, I had no idea she was a minor. I only met her one time back in November of last year, in 2023. So like I talked to her last, maybe like A few days ago. But I have not seen her. Like, I haven't seen her since I met her one time. But for whatever reason, David is like, hey, officers, do you want to see a picture of Celeste? And out of all the possible photos, and again, the document does not list what year, if it was photo, like, if it was Photoshopped. But he just, like, pulls up a yearbook photo of Celeste. Now, I think that this is a yearbook photo that does not show the graduating class or, like, what age she is, because clearly that would not line up with his lie of, like, I didn't know she was 13. But he just shows them the yearbook photo. Very odd photo. And also, why would you have somebody's yearbook photo after you just met them one time?

[B]

Yeah, that's fucking weird.

[A]

Nevertheless, the court document reads, although he claimed to be unaware of where the victim was at the time, she returned home two days later. So two days after the LA Sheriff's Department goes to his house, she goes back home, which seems very convenient. And if there was any grace for David, it seems like it ends here, because court documents read different. Despite being informed by law enforcement, the victim was only 13, defendant continued to pursue her. So this is like, the grace would end here. The whole I didn't know her age lie would end here. And that's the first time she goes missing, which is kind of deplorable when you think that she goes missing again in April of 2025, and the police never went to go check up on David before her body is found. Like, they never went to go question him. Court document states, Throughout 2024, the victim spent a significant amount of time with defendant, including summer weekends at his home in the Hollywood H and traveling with him to Las Vegas, London and Texas to meet his family. Yeah, more on that later. More on London and Texas are going to be very important. But sometime November 2024, investigators put together through their text messages that they keep breaking up. Like, they end up in that very. It's like a rough area. And breaking up is obviously not the correct word, but you get what I'm saying. They're still communicating. But, quote, text messages suggest they also continue to have sexual relations, but it just seems rocky. And there's clearly a lot of people that know about this too, because when Celeste goes missing the first time in 2024, and police had shown up to David's house, it said that her parents took away her phone when she comes back. So the first time she goes missing, a year before her death, she comes back home, they Take away her phone. But according to court documents, defendant drove to Lake Elsinore and paid a junior high school student in the victim's class $1,000 to give the victim a cell phone defendant purchased so they could stay in contact. Do you guys remember the photo of David in Lake Elsinore with like a bunch of kids?

[B]

That's it.

[A]

People think it's that now there's no confirmation because people haven't. I mean, the prosecutors probably have confirmation, but he was like, allegedly giving these young kids raising canes and money.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. See, when I. That was. At first you were like, okay, we don't know what really is happening, but knowing this, it feels even worse.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. It just seems like a lot of people knew what was going on. Even the teacher that came out. Remember, the teacher was like, oh yeah, I taught her. And then she met this rapper in la. Those are his words. He came and got her. She ran away from home. She was gone for like a month. The cops found her in Hollywood, brought her back to our school. She came back to our school, kind of, you know, told people the story. She disappeared. Again, like, these are his direct quotes. He was like excitedly almost talking about it in class. If you guys remember, in the first two videos I covered that. So again, this just goes to show a lot of people knew what was going on to some degree. And then remember the February 26, 2024, there was a comment left on David's TikTok that read, waiting for LAPD to get your ass for messing with a 13 year girl. This was around the time that she goes missing the first time. Then on Discord, there was a comment that was From August of 2024 that reads, Drop the one with the missing girl, Celeste Rivas Hernandez, in reference to the song Netizens think that either the kids at Celeste school knew about it and were blackmailing him because that seems to be a huge theory, or that he was paying kids to buy a phone for Celeste and giving them money to keep quiet so that he could continue talking to her. This just doesn't seem like a very well kept secret, what he was doing to Celeste. It seems like a lot of people to some degree had some sort of inkling of what was happening. So what was the plan? It makes such little sense that people have started to circulate conspiracies online that David didn't get rid of Celeste's remains because he was keeping her as a trophy to live out some sort of sick fantasy of having a sacrifice for fame. Which I don't think is the case, but I will briefly cover some of the discourse. A lot of it stems from a manga. David mentioned in an interview previously that he likes this manga where there's a detective who is investigating a string of murders. He's committing those murders, he just doesn't know it yet. So he's committing the murders and then he's investigating it. And based off the description, that manga seems to be MPD Psycho Multiple Personality Disorder. Psycho which, I mean, obviously the name is problematic in and of itself, but it's about a detective who is investigating a serial killer who has a penchant for dismembering their victims. That is their typical mo. The serial killer eventually sends the detective an icebox with another victim. Victim's torso and head. So the limbs have been amputated, the legs and arms are gone, just the torso and head. Which is, I guess people are saying it's equating to how Celeste was similarly found. The detective opens it up. It's his girlfriend who is still somehow alive during all of this. The detective hunts down, the killer kills him. And this is where he develops did he serves his time in prison. He's released, but then he realizes that that was him all along. It's just like this very complicated multi seasonal show manga. He starts working for this PI company where he realize that on his left eye there's this barcode that has been tattooed on under the eyelid. He learns that there's this whole organization that tattoos the left eyes of serial killers. Which is how he finds out that he must have killed before. That leads him to believe that maybe he's always had alters since his childhood. In the anime, the left eye known as the barcode is almost the identifying soul of the person. That has been a big point of contention for netizens. And just to give you context, when they found Celeste's head, the autopsy read, the head is partially skeletonized with an absent left eye. Eye. The right eye is still there. Now. Side note, some believe the left eye as being intentionally gone because in the autopsy it says that the left eye is absent. It doesn't say that it was partially consumed or that it had liquefied. That has led a lot of people, including even big public figures like Nancy Grace, to speculate that that eye was intentionally taken. I will say it is known that during decomposition the ice can collapse inside the socket and there's multiple different species and types of insects with high insect activity found in the body bag. So I will say it seems Highly likely that it was just fully consumed by maggots. But some people have been using that element to bolster the theory that maybe he was recreating this manga when he allegedly killed Celeste. Because he does. I will say he does seem heavily interested in Japanese culture and manga. He even had his own alter ego he called Itami that we talked about in the previous episodes. In an interview, he talks about how Itami is the Japanese word for pain. It's the villain of his Al. He's the one making me withered and feel all these emotions like grief and confusion. He's the one that is weaving his way into my relationships and ruining them and inducing trauma and things like that. You see him in the music videos and stuff. So he's basically the agent of chaos in this scenario, which in a previous interview he states that Itami is a character that he has been ideating on for a really long time. Quote. That's why you see him with the blindfold and the bloody T shirt aesthetic and the bow tie. I'm really big into anime. I'm really big into manga. I wanted to make my own manga series at one point, and I was writing a lot of poems and writing a lot of things for it. And a big part of that manga was an evil version of me named Itami. And he wears this blindfold and he's basically an agent of chaos and kind of my alter ego. And the story of the manga went like I was a detective and there was an evil version of myself that would come out at random moments, kind of like Fight Club with Tyler Durden. And he would commit the crimes that I would have to solve as a detective, basically ripping off MPD Psycho. So, like, when I was a detective, I'd be solving murders that I'm committing myself. Myself. Netizens think that he might have been too into it. And again, this doesn't mean that he doesn't know right from wrong, but these are just some coincidences, I guess people have been picking up. I don't personally subscribe to this whole, like, sacrifice theory, but I think it's just up for debate. The last concert before her body is found. He's also seen wearing a 97 shirt on stage. 97 being September 7th, which is Celeste's birthday. Could be a coincidence, but netizens say that he likes the meaning of numbers. He uses the number four in his name, which means dead, but.

[B]

Oh, is that why?

[A]

I don't know. He kind of insinuated in previous interviews that he does it to be unique like, he just thought it was cool. But some people are using it as, like, see, he really cares about numbers. So he's wearing this 97 shirt. It must have meant something. In an interview that's released later in May, he's asked, you know, as for if he would do anything differently about. With his album Heartbreak, experiencing heartbreak, writing through it. He responds, everything, especially the mistakes in the music that I made and all the artistic flaws that I've had in the process of me building a great album have been important and kind of needed for this entire process. So I wouldn't give myself any other advice than just, yeah, I wouldn't change anything, because if I did, then it wouldn't be an album. There would be no progression and any evolution and maturity. So, yeah, keep everything the same. It seems like this is after he allegedly killed Celeste. So he's saying, I would keep everything the same. Which isn't really necessarily an admission of guilt, but it's just an interesting thing to note. Then there's the issue with the two fingers being missing. Missing. So the two fingers being missing. I've seen this theory circulate quite frequently is, well, the left ring finger. Police believe prosecutors believe that the David tattoo was on Celeste's left ring finger. Now, I will say it would be very tricky for him to just cut the ring finger. So that's probably why the pinky is also missing. But people have kind of taken this and made it something bigger, something that. It's the Japanese tradition of atonement and remorse for the pinky finger. It's dated back to the yakuza days. So back then, when the yakuzas were heavily around, they would cut off a tip of their own pinky. As atonement as remorse. It's almost like you're. This is how you ask for forgiveness. Or when there were yakuza wars, they would cut off the remaining people who are now going into their yakuza. So, like, let's say Yakuza A takes over Yakuza B, members of Yakuza Bee would have their pinky finger taken off because it's very hard to hold a sword, a katana, if you have your pinky finger chopped or, like, severed, because it'll slip out when you're fighting. But I don't know. I mean, I think that it genuinely just seems like logistically it would be very hard to take the ring finger without the pinky finger. So he just took it both. It might be easier that way. But where is it? We don't know if he did keep the fingers as a trophy. Wouldn't the police have found them? Would he dispose of them after the body was found? But that would be very risky because I'm sure the police are watching his every move. Was it before the body was found? And if then is it in Santa Barbara? One person writes, the current theory that David kept Celeste's two fingers as a trophy makes me hesitate. I work in medical psych. He just sounds like a narcissistic kid, not a genius. I honestly think he took them to Santa Barbara and launched them off a cliff or into the woods. That's it. I think his thought process was, now no one will know we knew each other because he's a complete dipshit, not a mastermind. People want him to be this deep, calculating killer. His lyrics were all the same, and they were basic. The way he spoke in interviews sounded like a high schooler who just discovered new words he could use. He's not that guy. And honestly, if he actually kept them as a trophy, we would already know, because at some point in some video, they'd be sitting in the background or hinted at. Because any attention is good attention to someone like him. And he can't help himself. He's not intelligent. He's just a moron who thought he could get away with it. So if he's not keeping Celeste's remains as a sacrifice or some sort of sick trophy, what was his plan? One person theorizes. I think he put her body in his trunk, intending to dispose of it. But after the nasty work of dismembering her, being in the trunk felt gone enough that avoidance kicked in. He meant to dispose of her. But at any given moment, it was easier to just pretend the problem didn't exist. He had other cars to drive, plenty of friends and activities to distract him. Maybe he hadn't settled on a spot he felt confident about. Plus, once the body is out of his hands, he can't control the situation. A random body out in the woods or in the desert dug up by animals may not be reported in the news, and he may have no idea she's been found in his trunk. He stays in control. Or so he thinks. Days turns into weeks, turns into months, and then nothing bad happens. Just a few parking tickets. No big deal. I mean, they haven't towed the car yet. Why would they? Now? The murder victim in. It becomes easier to ignore each day, especially with the album dropping and the upcoming tour to think about. The smell isn't so bad, right? People probably think it's Roadkill somewhere before the breeze carries it away. Right? One person comments about the smell. I don't know. I smelled a dead body after just a few days. It was summer in a hot apartment, and I had to throw out my clothes and scrub myself raw in the shower because that showed permeates your nostrils. We also don't know when the body was moved to the car. The prosecutors hint at the fact that they think the body has been in the car since dismemberment, but a lot of people just don't understand how that's feasible in any sense of the word. When was the body moved to the car? Is it true? Because August 27, 2026, by this point, it would have already had multiple hot days in Los Angeles. Parking enforcement had chalked the car. Do you remember that? They had come out and they chalked where the car was positioned and there was no odor complaint. And like the parking enforcement officer was close enough to mark tire positions on August 27th. But apparently they didn't report any sort of smell by September 8th. The smell triggers a police call. They just don't understand how she was kept in that trunk for that long and how nobody could even move the car, how nobody smelled it before and called the police. And then suddenly it goes to the tow yard and now there's flies. Like there weren't flies circling the car before. It just doesn't make sense to a lot of people. People, even when they're towing the car, wouldn't the tow truck driver sense at first? Unless maybe there was just like a random heat wave. But even that doesn't really make a whole lot of sense. Some people think that he actually placed her in the trunk purposefully to try and speed up decomposition. And that goes back to the burn cage, the burn cage that he ordered. It seems that he kept it still in the box, according to the PI. So why didn't he use the burn cage? Some people think that he was waiting for her to decompose because it would just be easier to try and burn the human bones into ash. Now, some people think, no, he got the burn cage. And then he realized he couldn't use the burn cage because burn cages require very specific outlets. So that was like their whole argument of, like, I've worked with burn cages. Like, you can't just plug it up into a standard 120 volt home outlet. I will say the specific burn cage he got is not even power generated. So you. It's like a steel containment box. You put in all your rubbish. You light it on fire, and then you just wait until it burns out, or you have a hose and you hose it to down. So he wouldn't need any sort of electrical power. Or maybe he just realized burning anything in the Hollywood Hills would instantly cause a lot of attraction and attention and the firefighters would come immediately. I don't know. One comment reads, the fact that the fucking pool was still in his house is the final piece of evidence. I need to know that he simply was a dumbass no longer. Maybe he had a plan and ran out of time. Nope, just plain stupid. That could have been thrown out and long gone in a landfill, yet the idiot kept it. Yeah, there's been a lot of speculation about that because people are arguing, well, if you throw out the entire inflatable pool, it's just very difficult. Someone's going to see it, they're going to notice blood on it. Other people are saying, he had a lot of time. He could have slowly cut the pool into small shreds. Not shreds, but small pieces. And then slowly put those pieces in his trash. And then eventually they would have ended up in the landfill. Others are saying maybe that's not possible.

[B]

Yeah, it's not like he has a lot of time, but also he doesn't

[A]

have a lot of time. Yeah, he has a lot of enough time to hang out and relax here and there. But he is on tour a lot. He does have a lot of contractually obligated things that I think he must do. Even, you know, the live stream the day after killing Celeste. I think one of the things is some people think that it's him showing off to the world, like, hey, I'm just gonna live stream as normal. I actually think that he's probably contractually obligated to livestream if he was releasing some sort of Fortnite locker. And he was. The whole point of the story was he started as a Fortnite streamer.

[B]

Yeah. Or these are probably already pre planned.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Right. So canceling will be more suspicious.

[A]

Maybe so. I mean, he has time. He doesn't have a lot of time. I don't know. It's just. It's odd. I think a lot of months had gone by, but I don't know what's going on. Some people are really confused why David left Celeste's head and torso inside the body bag and then left the rest of her limbs inside of a trash bag underneath. Whereas he could have placed the limbs in the body bag as well, or at least placed the trash bag inside the body bag. But Maybe it was the confinement of the front trunk. The autopsy notes that she was liquefied, which the body bag seems to have kept the liquids in. There's also debate about the PI that was hired by the homeowner. And I'm gonna go in, like, do a whole deep dive into him in a second, but he went into the garage and he's just really confused.

[B]

Can you tell me where is. Where did this PI come from? What part of timeline is that?

[A]

So in right after Celeste's body is found, the homeowners. Because that house was a rental home in the Hollywood Hills. The homeowners are so taken aback because they didn't know David was living in their house. The home was leased under David's manager's name. So they're like, I thought a guy named Josh Marshall was living in my house. Why the fuck is this guy named David living in my house? And they found a body in his car. I didn't even know he was living in our house. The homeowners have young kids. They decide. I just. This is so stressful. We don't even live in the state. We're going to hire this private investigator, and we just want to know exactly who's been in the house, what's been going on in the house. Like, we just want answers because if we ever go back to LA with our children, like, we don't want to stay in this house. Like, we don't know what's going on. We don't know. So they hire this private investigator. And he had access to the house almost immediately after the police searched it. David quickly moved out. Obviously, right after that, he moved, I guess. Guess to that house in the Hollywood Hills. But the police took pieces of evidence. But they also left a lot of things. David also left a lot of things. They left a lot of furniture. David left some SD cards that the PI has been going through. There's been nothing particularly damning, except there are some photos of Celeste, like, when they went to what appears to be Santa Barbara to take pictures. It's like a very scenic place. Yeah, there's. The last time that they were taking pictures together was, like, in January. There's a little bit of, like, small nuggets the PI has been releasing. He's been doing his own research. Some people don't really like this PI because he is pretty vocal with pointing the fingers at people.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yes. Some might say with reckless abandon. Some might say he's just passionate and he's keeping this in the news. I don't know. I guess it's up for you to decide. But he has been hired and he released pictures of inside the garage and that's how we know the exact burn cage. The prosecutors just said burn cage. The PI actually released pictures of this burn cage months ago, but nobody knew what was going on. He was just like, hey guys, I found a bird cage in the garage and chainsaw. He found a chainsaw as well. There was no obviously tissue or anything on there. It was just like chainsaw packaging.

[B]

And he's like, so the weapon was not found, right?

[A]

I think the police probably took it. Yeah. So he's like, I found this and I found the burn cage and I just can't comprehend why David would need it because this is a rental home. He's not fixing anything up. He's not doing landscaping like this is why would he need these things. Nobody knew until the prosecutor's brief came out. So that's how we know the exact brand of the burn cage. Many of us have tried learning another language before, but when it's time to actually use those skills, we realize knowing a few words is not the same as real conversation. Rosetta Stone Sapphire is a major new release in language learning. Combining Rosetta Stone's trusted immersion method with the latest innovations in education technology to help you go from knowing phrases to to speaking confidently about the topics you care about. Mandarin has been a lifelong goal of mine and a part of that is just learning how to play mahjong. You have to call out each tile when you put it down and I'm trying to play with my mother in law. It's really difficult. So Rosetta Stone is where I fall back on. Especially with their new Sapphire studio, I can specify exactly what I want to learn. Whether it's mahjong characters or traveling and need to knows, Rosetta Stone Sapphire will create a resource that that suits your needs. If you want to take your language skills to the next level, don't wait to try. Rosetta Stone Sapphire Rotten Mango listeners can get 20% off their Rosetta Stone Sapphire subscription when they sign up Today. You'll get unlimited access to all 25 Rosetta Stone languages plus all the new Sapphire learning tools. Visit Rosetta Stone.com rotten to redeem your 20% off. That's Rosetta Stone.com rotten and start learning a language for real. So many people are focused on where their money is today. Acorns is the financial wellness app that cares about where your money is going tomorrow. And with the Acorns, you can find out what your money is capable of Acorns is easy. You can sign up in minutes and start automatically investing your spare money even if all you've got is spare change. Sign up now and Acorns will boost your new account with a five dollar bonus. Investment join the over 14 million all time customers who have already saved and invested over $27 billion with Acorns. Head to acorns.com rotten or download the Acorns app to get started. Paid non client endorsement compensation provides incentive to positively promote Acorns tier 2 compensation provided potential subject to various factors Customers account age and investment settings does not include Acorns fees. Results do not predict or represent the performance of any Acorns portfolio. Investment results will vary. Investing involves risks. Acorn Advisors LLC and SEC registered investment advisor view important [e-mail] rotten are you tired of spending hundreds on crazy high wireless bills, bogus fees and quote unquote free perks that cost you more in the long run then a premium wireless plan from mint mobile for 15 bucks a month might be right for you? Bring your own phone and number, activate with ESIM in minutes and start saving a meal. The best part? No going into a store and hanging around for half a day while a salesperson sets up my phone. It was all online. It took maybe 10 minutes. I used my own phone, kept my number and my Bill dropped to 15. The coverage is the same, the speed is the same and I haven't had a single surprise charge since I switched. No contract, no hidden fees, no premium perks that somehow end up costing me more. Just a normal bill for a normal amount every single month. If you like your money, Mint Mobile is for you. Shop [e-mail] rotten that's mintmobile. Upfront payment of $45 for 3 month 5 gigabyte plan required equivalent to $15 per month new customer offer for first 3 months only, then full price plans, options available, taxes and fees extra. CMIT Mobile for details. Now the big thing that the PI has been saying is he just doesn't understand because once this prosecutor brief drops it's like oh he did this in in the garage with the inflatable pool. That's literally what the prosecutors have told us. The PI is saying when you guys came in and searched the house, I mean you did not crime scene the shit out of this place. Like they did some luminol tests. But it didn't seem like this massive operation where a full dismemberment took place in the garage and you guys are locking everything down like, you guys were pretty in and out quick. He's also saying the garage is two stories tall. If there's any sort of spatter, that. That would be really difficult for David to clean. And David doesn't look like a good cleaner. On top of that, the floor of the garage is like brick. It's like the craziest garage floor I've ever seen in my life. It's like the side of a house. It's brick. There's so much grout. There's so much brick.

[B]

Oh, so it's hard to clean.

[A]

Yeah. So he's like, I just don't understand how this happened in the garage. The PI has been saying, I think he killed her in Santa Barbara. I think he did this in San. So there's lots of what? Which a lot of people are like, maybe he shouldn't put out these crazy theories. So there's debate about that. There's a debate about everything in this case. Like, One sentence is 20 to 20 debates.

[B]

Okay, so they didn't do their own testing in the garage to see if there's any blood.

[A]

Yeah. At least not that I know of. But maybe you guys can correct me if I'm wrong. So that's where a lot of the whole theory of. Okay, well, maybe he inflated the pool because. Oh, there's been another thing. People have kept calling it a kiddie pool. We have no idea if that's true. In fact, it seems like it was not a kiddie pool. The prosecutor said inflatable blue. Blue pool. But everybody has been running with kiddie pool for whatever reason. I guess it's a better title. I guess it's a better clickbait. But it seems like it was like a full size pool.

[B]

So the size difference.

[A]

Yeah, size difference. And then size difference is kind of important. So it could have been inflated and then a chainsaw. The chainsaw has been a huge point of contention. One Emmy states that a regular handsaw would probably be a lot better. Like, you might just get a little bit of tissue. You're going to. To have some blood, but chainsaws are going to sling actual tissue everywhere. So the idea that this had to be cleaned up completely. There's no way, no way under God's green heaven that you're going to be able to clean up every bit of tissue deposition that there is. I mean, you might think you've gotten it, but once the cops get in there and they have enough time, they're going to collect something. I did some research into it because all the Emmys are saying, like, formal. It's like news. Oh, we're here with a former forensic expert, and they're all like, no, a chainsaw would have gotten blood everywhere. So I'm like, okay, this doesn't make sense. If David cleaned it, I don't think he's cleaning it alone. So that where I went down this whole rabbit hole, and apparently there's a whole case about it. A bit of a morbid test was done. Back in 2009, there was a study published in the Journal of Forensic Science where there was a real investigation into a woman who had been taken apart by a small electric chainsaw. A small one. And there were multiple questions that the investigators had, because the investigators, they found such little blood splatter, which didn't make sense in everybody's mind. According to the movies, when you think of people with chainsaws, everybody's. Everything's splattering everywhere. The investigators were so puzzled by this, it led to a study where forensic pathologists dismembered two very large deceased pigs with small electric chainsaws under controlled conditions. And they found that depending on how you hold the chainsaw parallel to the floor, very little splatter occurs, actually.

[B]

Interesting.

[A]

Another misconception is that the chainsaw would get jammed, which doesn't seem to be the case even with the tiny electric chainsaws with the pigs. So those were the findings that they had, that even the small ones can cut through large carcasses without much difficult. Thus disproving, I guess, all the movie effects of Texas Chainsaw Massacre and all

[B]

the experts making comments right now.

[A]

But again, you would have to hold it in a very specific direction. But I guess that might be what makes sense in this, so that there's not blood splatter everywhere, Because I think that is posing as a big question mark. And everyone's like, maybe he killed her somewhere else. Which I feel like the police would know that. However, I would imagine timing would also be important. Prosecutors believe that David dismembered Celeste 12 days after her death. Netizens theorize online, like, where was she for 12 days? You know? And then also, once you're 12 days into decomposition, unless you're kept in a really cold, I guess, cool environment, it's going to be really hard to move somebody's body because there's skin slippage, there's a lot of fluid buildup. It. It's not even just about out hauling dead weight. It's. Things are moving in the skin. Yeah, exactly. So where was she kept exactly? If he didn't get the pool until at least May 1st.

[B]

So David lives there by himself.

[A]

He lives there by himself. But I, I imagine lots of people have the keys to that place.

[B]

Yeah. Because isn't like his friends, his family, always.

[A]

His family lives in Texas, his friends. I mean, I, I. It doesn't appear that anybody lives with him. If anything, I think the prosecutors believe at some point, Celeste was obviously living with him when she was missing. So there's just like, it doesn't make any sense. If there was, where Was she for 12 days? Which is why TMZ initially, they reported that Celeste had been frozen at some point. The LAPD actually came out to say that's not true at all, that she was not frozen when they found her in the trunk. But that wording is also interesting of not frozen in the trunk when, you know, there's no evidence that she was frozen recently. But if she had been deceased for so many months, maybe she had been frozen the first 12 days. There's lots of confusion there, though. I will say I usually take everything TMZ says with a bag of salt. And if he's just ordering things on Amazon, why is he not ordering any cleaning supplies? He doesn't strike me as someone who stockpiles cleaning supplies. He doesn't seem like the type that he opens up a cabinet and he's like, I got 12 vacuums, and I got all the Lysols and the Cloroxes I have everything thing. So he didn't postmate it. He didn't order it on Amazon. Maybe he went to the store and paid in cash. But that also doesn't seem like him. He's postmating a shovel to his house. I don't think that he's going to go to a store and buy Clorox wipes.

[B]

Right. So you're wondering how come there's not much sign of cleaning.

[A]

Yes. But also, maybe that's where the smell is coming from. Maybe he kept her inside the house in one of the bathrooms for 12 days and then moved her to the garage to dismember her. And there could be the remnants of the decomposition scent that he did not thoroughly clean, and it's just been lingering inside the house. So rather than the very morbid conspiracy that she was kept in the house, her remains were kept in the house up until, like, July. Perhaps. It could be that he just did not clean. Well, I don't know. People are just saying it's irking me that she wasn't frozen. That's what people are saying. People are saying this seems virtually impossible. Nothing makes sense right now. There has also been the very big discourse about whether or not she was pregnant. The autopsy report reads that it was unclear whether or not she was pregnant. That's just how they have to write it, because if they don't have definitive proof that she was or was not, they can't definitively say one way or the other. However, there was no fetus found. Her ovaries were an appropriate size. There was no trauma that they could find, at least at this point in the decomp. So there's no indication that she was pregnant at the time of her passing. But a lot of people have inflated, unclear trauma to, oh, she probably was, but that also doesn't mean that it hadn't happened before. So remember those Discord chat logs? David was in the discord, asking questions like, what should I name my kid, guys? Deleted user who people believe to be Celeste is writing, guys, I think I'm pregnant. Investigators have found messages between David and Celeste where they talk about, quote, sex, pregnancy, abortion, and the use of plan B emergency contraceptives. There are also explicit photographs documenting and corroborating their sexual relationships. Relationship. And at one point, March 2025. So a month before she's killed, she messaged him, all we do is have sex and just hang out, man. I want more than that for myself. They also found a lot of CSAM in his phone. Court documents listed as the description of photographs depicting the victim naked, as well as while she was engaged with defendant in sexual activity when she was 13. The evidence does constitute a CCM. And just to give you even more context on how depressing this news is, when she was found in the trunk, she still had braces. I mean, she's like, everyone wants to say she's 15. Or they want to say, oh, the girl or the woman found in her, the young lady, she's like a baby. She's. She looks like a child. She had braces. During the autopsy, there are reports that there they found 40 terabytes of CCM, which even any trace of CCM, I think people should get life in prison. But we don't know how much CCM exactly was found in his defense device. And whether or not it's just Celeste or if there's other victims or if he was purchasing and downloading CCM from the Internet, it's unclear. It's been getting misreported as being 40 terabytes of just CCM. The deputy DA, Beth Silverman, who's on this case, says David's iCloud account contains, quote, a significant amount of CP. She says they have about 40 terabytes of evidence and data, but she doesn't directly say how much CSAM there is.

[B]

Okay, so it's not. Not 40 terabytes of CSAM.

[A]

Yes. Which, I mean 40 terabytes of data evidence is a lot, but it seems like it's going to be a huge case with a lot of discovery. But we just don't know how much CSAM.

[B]

Like 2B 40 terabyte. I'm just trying to picture. It's got to be a lot of like videos or like large files or photos. Like you can't. You know what I mean? Like that's got to be.

[A]

Yeah, I missed.

[B]

To reach that amount.

[A]

I'm assuming he has tons of audio recordings because still.

[B]

Yeah, nothing.

[A]

Videos, audio.

[B]

It's got to be videos.

[A]

And they did wiretap his phone. We're going to get into all of that. I don't know if that's included in the 40 terabytes because they haven't gone through most of it. So it's just a little bit unclear. They might have even more evidence. But yeah, there must be a lot of videos.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because I mean, text and code data of like locations that doesn't really take up that much space.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

There were then conspiracies that David maybe filmed the entire killing and that was categorized in with the csam and that there's a snuff film out there. But I mean, some of the conspiracies have really gotten out of hand with that. DA Hockman, when he is asked about why this took so long for an arrest to be made, he states that, quote, I think the police chief got it right that in a situation where you don't have an eyewitness account or we can't point to a video that shows the killer killing someone. So, I mean, that in itself negates this whole snuff film theory. Right. But he continues, you have to go through very rigorous and thorough investigation to look at all the digital and forensic evidence. You have to speak with witnesses often who are cooperative and some who are not cooperative in order to obtain all the information necessary to decide who did what, when, how and what their mental state was, was at the time. Some people think that that last sentence is very interesting phrasing in order to obtain all the information necessary to decide who did what, when, how and what their mental state was at that time, which could be very. Just generic language of like, this is how we conduct an investigation of we're trying to figure out who, when, what, where. Like these are the investigative answers that we're trying to get to. But some people say it sounds like vague language where it almost sounds like maybe more than one person would say involved. But that is where I leave you with part one and the audio part two for this. Part three is going to be up. We're going to be talking about all the people that all the people that have been pointed as potential accomplices by the Internet, as well as David's attorneys who they've represented before. What it seems like their defense strategy is going to be going into the preliminary hearing that's happening in June and what even is going to be happening in the preliminary hearing. So with that being said, stay tuned, stay safe, and I will see you in the next one. Strongsville, Ohio. A car carrying three young adults slams into a brick building at 100 miles per hour, leaving two dead and one fighting for that life. The 17 year old behind the wheel, Mackenzie Shrilla, was driving her boyfriend Dom and his friend Daven home from a party when the tragedy occurred. Authorities arrive on scene, but what initially seemed like a heartbreaking accident began to look like a calculated crime scene. The crash features interviews with the police, friends and families of everyone in the car as it unwinds the truth of what occurred. Where do the fatal mistakes end and the cold blooded murder. People watch the crash only on Netflix. Traditional home security only alerts you after a break in. And that's too late. Simplisafe is changing that. Stop. This is Simplisafe.

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