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Duggar Parents Caught Son Molesting Underage Sisters & Just Sent Him To Church Camp ‘To Be Fixed’

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Wed Apr 08 2026

The Covenant’s Eyes. A mobile app anyone can download whose purpose is to prevent its user from watching adult content. Around every 45 seconds, a screenshot is taken (yes, even if you’re in incognito mode) and gets sent directly to someone you know. Your wife, husband, father, etc., they’re called your ‘accountability partner.’ But what if the content being viewed is illegal? Depraved. Perverted. Corrupt. What if the content being viewed involves crimes against children? CSAM? Does it still screenshot and send the alert to the ‘accountability partner?’ Does it get sent straight to the authorities? Former reality TV star, Joshua Duggar is arrested for this very violation. This is the case of the Duggar family. The 2021 arrest of Joshua Duggar and the 2026 arrests of his siblings, Joseph and Kendra Duggar. Plus…all the potential crimes in between. Full show notes available at RottenMangoPodcast.com

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Episode: Duggar Parents Caught Son Molesting Underage Sisters & Just Sent Him To Church Camp ‘To Be Fixed’

Host: Stephanie Soo
Release Date: April 8, 2026

Episode Overview

Stephanie Soo dives deep into the dark reality behind the wholesome facade of the Duggar family, best known for the TLC show "19 Kids and Counting." This episode (Part 2 of the Duggar series) unpacks the evolution of TLC, the Duggar family structure, their fundamentalist religious beliefs, and the shocking truth about Josh Duggar’s molestation of his sisters and how the family and community covered it up. The episode weaves together history, commentary, and first-hand accounts to expose the intersection of media, faith, and crime.

Key Topics & Discussion Points

1. The Evolution of TLC and the Rise of the Duggars

[02:00 - 12:33]

TLC began as "The Learning Channel," a government-funded initiative for educational programming.
- Stephanie: “Turns out, we don’t really enjoy learning…especially not with riveting titles like ‘Learn To Read’. If I don’t know how to read, how am I going to read your title?”
Over time, TLC shifted toward reality TV, with increasingly sensational shows (e.g., “My Strange Addiction," "Extreme Couponing," "Sister Wives," "Toddlers and Tiaras," "90 Day Fiancé").
“19 Kids and Counting” quickly became TLC’s record-breaking ratings hit, fueling both fascination and concern over the Duggars’ “wholesome” family image.

2. The Duggar Family: Rules, Dynamics, and Structure

[12:33 - 39:34]

Main Cast:
- Jim Bob (Patriarch, reality TV star, failed politician)
- Michelle (Matriarch, mother of 19, “soft-spoken”)
- Josh (eldest son, “role model”)
- All children’s names begin with “J” (Josh, Jana, John David, Jill, Jessa, etc.)
Homelife:
- Strict rules: modest dress (girls in long skirts), homeschooling, “buddy system” (girls raising younger siblings).
- Stephanie, on “Nike” code word: “One of the girls would yell ‘Nike’… All the boys in the family would crane their necks down… because someone out there was showing their shoulders or a butt cheek.”
Religious culture:
- Affiliation with fundamentalist Christianity and the Quiverful movement (denied, but practices align).
- Emphasis on motherhood as “living sacrifice,” discouragement of any birth control.
- Girls expected to obey; women never have authority over themselves, always transferred from father to husband.

3. Inside the 19 Kids: Roles and Reputation

[25:00 - 34:04]

Deep dives into each child’s TV persona, family roles, and community perceptions.
- Example: Jana (the “Cinderella” eldest daughter, expected to raise siblings), Jill (eager to please, later outspoken critic), Jessa (the “outspoken one”), Josiah (“prankster” sent to military-style camp).
On buddy system: “Basically 11-year-old little girls becoming parents while the boys are off being boys… Jim Bob’s buddy is Michelle because he still needs to be catered to and taken care of like an infantile toddler.” [39:37]

4. Dating, Courtship, and Family Control

[39:34 - 56:13]

Courtship replaces dating: no physical contact, intensive chaperoning, direct “applications” to parents.
Jim Bob’s 45+ page questionnaires for potential suitors (including questions like “Would you be willing to die for Christ?”).
Arranged, expedited marriages; no history of divorce, even amidst criminal allegations.
Stephanie, critiquing Michelle’s views: “She says… romance novels are to women what pornography is to men… which is crazy.” [49:18]
Virulent anti-divorce rhetoric; divorce equated with “sever your relationship with Christ.”

5. Jim Bob’s Political Career and Public Persona

[50:53 - 56:13]

Jim Bob’s failed attempts at political office fueled by culture wars, anti-abortion and anti-LGBTQ stances.
Associations and alliances with like-minded fundamentalist politicians (notably Jim Holt).
Stephanie: “Jim Bob’s career is a car crash straight into the Capitol. But he hasn’t even made it in the car—the car is driving itself and he’s just like chasing after it.” [50:54]
Jim Bob and allies’ “traditional values” platforms hide hypocrisy, as the scandal unfolds.

6. The Duggar Scandal: Molestation and Cover-Up

[56:13 - episode end]

Josh Duggar’s Secret: At 15, Josh molests several younger sisters. The family and religious community choose not to involve authorities—instead, he is sent to work at a friend’s home remodeling business as “rehabilitation.”
The community and the audience are told nothing; even potential courtship with Jim Holt’s daughter is abruptly canceled when the Holts learn the truth.
Josh re-emerges in public and quickly courts and marries Anna Keller, whose own family background is also deeply fundamentalist but less affluent.

7. The Anna Duggar Dynamic & Ongoing Enabling

Anna (Josh’s wife), initially described by acquaintances as loud and opinionated, is observed to “soften” and emulate Michelle Duggar’s whispery passivity after marriage.
Anna’s lack of independence, continual pregnancies, and marriage to Josh—despite mounting evidence of predatory and criminal behavior—are contextualized by her upbringing and the family’s culture.
Stephanie: “People describe their relationship as a super fan meets religious royalty. Like, Anna is just obsessed. She has never lived alone. She’s never had a real job. She doesn’t even have a driver’s license.” [60:01]

8. The Ashley Madison Scandal and Aftermath

Josh’s accounts on Ashley Madison and OKCupid are exposed (evidence he spent thousands seeking affairs while married), but family’s public response is muted and dismissive.
Stephanie: “If my son is cheating on his wife and their children, I’m not talking to God. My fist is. That’s not condoned. However, I will be very angry.” [62:19]
Duggar parents treat Josh as a victim of “the Devil’s temptation,” urging forgiveness and marital preservation.

9. The True Horror: Crimes Against Children

It is revealed that the primary, long-standing reason for Josh’s initial exile was the molestation of his sisters.
Anna Duggar, and many in the family’s circle, seemingly unaware or willfully ignorant of the abuse at time of marriage.
The episode closes with the haunting question:

“Would Anna Duggar still have chosen to stay…if she knew her husband would later be arrested for downloading some of the worst CSAM content...the federal investigation said was one of the worst they had ever seen…?” [65:17]

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On TLC’s shift from education to spectacle:
- Stephanie: “They don’t go from Ready, Set, Learn to Extreme Cougar Wives… they ease into it.” [03:24]
On the Duggar household:
- Stephanie: “The family believes that the female body is a tripwire for sin… they would scream ‘Nike,’ and all the boys would look down.” [15:41]
On the Quiverful movement:
- Stephanie: "A woman's body is meant to be a living sacrifice... emotionally, physically, financially. A lot of people in the Quiverful movement are living in poverty.” [34:15]
On Jim Bob’s leadership:
- Stephanie: “Jim Bob’s buddy is Michelle because he still needs to be catered to… like an infantile toddler.” [39:37]
On marriage and authority in the Duggars’ world:
- Anna's dad at wedding: “Josh becomes the authority at the wedding. He becomes her authority, not me. And that’s the way God designed the transfer of authority.” [58:01]
On the Duggar response to scandal:
- Stephanie: “Everyone just says, I mean, he’s gotta humble himself before God… even Ben Shapiro tweets, ‘the left don’t target Josh Duggar because he’s a garbage fire. They target him because he advocated Christian values.’ I don’t know how you advocate Christian values when you’re on Ashley Madison, okay?” [63:01]

Major Timestamps

02:00 — TLC’s educational roots and transition to reality TV spectacle
12:33 — Introduction to the Duggars and their societal impact
15:41 — Strict gender codes and “Nike” system
22:23 — Jim Bob and Michelle’s courtship and marriage dynamics
25:00 — Individual Duggar children’s roles and reputations
34:15 — Deep-dive on Quiverful movement and family planning beliefs
39:34 — “Buddy system” and girls’ household burden
41:07 — Duggar’s courtship rules and marriage system
50:54 — Jim Bob’s failed political ambitions
56:13 — The abrupt end to Josh’s first courtship and hints of scandal
58:01 — Anna’s transfer of authority at her wedding and marital subjugation
62:19 — Family’s evasive response to Josh’s infidelity and bodyguard’s anecdote
65:17 — Final reveal of Josh Duggar’s federal arrest for possession of CSAM—"some of the worst that [investigators] had ever seen"

Tone, Style, and Closing Thoughts

Stephanie Soo intertwines biting wit, incredulity, and compassion as she unpacks one of reality TV’s darkest chapters. The tone oscillates between horror at the Duggars’ abuses, criticism of the fundamentalist structures that enable them, and wry commentary on the absurdities of the “wholesome” reality TV narrative. The episode is packed with research, pop culture references, and behind-the-scenes knowledge, making clear that what was broadcast on TLC was only the sanitized surface of a deeply traumatic legacy.

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B (2:00)

Stands for the Learning Channel.

A (2:02)

The Learning Channel.

B (2:04)

Whoa.

A (2:05)

I know. And it was funded by the Department of Health and NASA to create learning material for people who did not have as much access to schooling. So they would be these little educational videos, hour long videos of teaching people how to read, would be distributed through a free NASA satellite to all the rural areas where there's not a lot of schools set. It was, unsurprisingly Not a profit machine. I mean, turns out we don't really enjoy learning, especially not with riveting titles like Learn to Read. If I don't know how to read, how am I going to read your title? The initiative itself was solid. I mean there were regions in the US with illiteracy rates that were three times the national average. Like genuinely, I think that this was like one of the times the government was maybe in the right place. But because money runs the world, the parent company eventually goes bankrupt and it's no longer being funded. And the Discovery Network swoop in by the Learning Channel and it's now almost defunct. Right. They originally stay on brand. Discovery Channel is like we're just gonna do like slightly more fun. We're gonna release multi part series on literature's most influential works. We're gonna bring in scholars, historians, novelists to come in and comment on pieces like Frankenstein, the Origin of Species, then Paleo World that was a hit, 50 episode series on Dinosaurs. Yeah. Ready, Set, learn preschool programming. And then because money still runs the world, the Discovery Channel starts getting creative. They're like, okay, well maybe it doesn't have to be so informative every second of every time we're on air. Maybe we could just like ease into it. So they do they ease into it. They don't go from Ready, Set, learn to Extreme Cougar Wives which features, you know, people like 76 year old Hattie, she sleeps with men as young as 18 years old and she says things like I'm confident, I'm sexy, I'm loving and I've never had a headache. I always have sex on the first date. You go Hattie. Okay. Then there's Stephanie, not to be confused with me, she's 65, dating a 28 year old. Yeah. And they, that's what they.

A (4:12)

Yes. So they, they had ready, set, learn and then they start doing. You know what we could learn about weddings? A wedding story. Watch real couples get married and learn how to wedding planned. And maybe they do these DIY projects to save money and you can learn the Learning Channel how to do that for your own wedding. Then that transitions into a baby story. Watch real couples give birth and it's medical and it's relationship and you can learn the healthcare system and we can capture their emotional first birth moments. Trading Spaces Neighbors swap home. Okay, this one, I don't know what we're learning from it, but like neighbors would swap homes and then redecorate a room in the neighbor's house with money and a designer's help. There's a viral moment where a designer covered up a homeowner's beloved fireplace with a wooden facade, even though the homeowner explicitly told the show not to and she broke down on camera. They also have while you were out, a family member would decide that your house is disgusting, filthy and ugly. They would lure you out of the house for 48 hours. A team of designers would come in with the Learning Channel and redo the room that they deemed to be fucking filth. It seems like loosely, loosely educational in the sense of like, we want to be voyeurs. But also it was mostly harmless and mostly, most importantly, an advertiser's dream. Then TLC starts transitioning. Their slogans. It was live and learn, life unscripted to finally, everyone needs a little tlc. They dropped the Learning Channel. They're just TLC now and they use it as more like tender loving care. No way. Then it starts to get weird. Honey, we're killing the kids. American version of an existing British show. Nutritionists will come in and they'll bring in a laptop and they're like, this is what your kid is gonna look like at 40 years old if you don't stop feeding them tater tots for breakfast, lunch and dinner. Look at your kid. Isn't your kid so unconventionally unattractive? Doesn't that make you want to scream and die? Then they should eat a salad. And everyone's like, this is actually horrendous when you think about it. Like there is no aspect of this that could be even remotely healthy. They would get a four week boot camp to transform the family's habits and follow up episodes to show how they're gonna look more conventionally attractive now with their new lifestyle. It's just like shaming, okay? There's hoarding, buried alive where they would go to hoarders homes, give them interventions, declutter their homes. 1 Notorious Season 2 members of the crew contracted the very often fatal hantavirus where humans inhale dust that's contaminated by saliva, urine or droppings of infected rodents. The mortality rate is up to 38%. My strange addiction. You know that one. People who like to eat glass mattresses. Participants have come forward to state that there was a lot that was depicted that was just straight up staged and set up. And also like there was no therapy, there was no nothing. Extreme couponing. This is like a whole national scandal that show couponers were would coupon stack to purchase hundreds of dollars of groceries for pennies. The show triggered a surge of extreme couponing and stores blamed the show for coupon fraud. A huge wave of coupon fraud took over America after this show. I believe there were people investigated in regards to coupon fraud because of the show Freaky Eaters. Hey you. You only eat french fries. Welcome to the show Sister Wives where a man has four wives and I believe at one point they all lived in the same cul de sac and he would go from house to to house and he'd be like, on Mondays I stay with Megan. On Tuesdays I go to Terry's house. Outrageous kids parties. Parents would just be spending a lot of money for over the top birthday parties for their children. And just like really oddball shows like Mall Cops where they would follow the security staff at the Mall of America in Minnesota while they deal with shoplifters and people peeing in fitting rooms. Toddlers and Tiaras followed child beauty pageants. That was one of the more controversial ones as you would imagine with the constant sexualization of little children. 90 day fiance, very controversial. Still up and running my 600 pound life. Multiple former cast members have filed lawsuits against the producers. Here comes Honey Boo Boo. That's a whole other situation I could do a whole episode on because Honey Boo Boo's mom ends up staying with a child sex offender. Breaking Amish where they allegedly filmed former Amish people leaving their communities in real time. Social media investigations stated that that was all fake. That these cast members were actually have left their commun years earlier. So the show was not that accurate but more staged. My five wives. Another polygamist seeking sister wives. Another polygamist where now they're like my husband wants another wife. Let's go find the perfect wife. They had a special called My Husband's not Gay which focused on four Mormon or LDS church members who stated that they had SSA same sex attraction and they chose to live in heterosexual marriages because that's in line with their religious beliefs. The men framed their attractions as something they chose not to act on, emphasizing religious conviction and marriage as the priority. Which naturally drew significant backlash and criticism. Pregnant behind bars. Documenting pregnant women in jail and prisons which you know, the anger there was that TLC just did not do enough to advocate for prison reform. My teen is pregnant and so am I. Where mom and teenage daughter and a family would be pregnant at the same time. Unexpected. Another teen pregnancy show, Hot and Heavy where they would document mixed weight couples where plus sized women are in relationships with male thin male partners. But the name of the Show Hot and Heavy feels like the men are hot and the women are heavy. And there's almost always this lingering question in every episode of like, why is he even with her when she's fat? MILF Manor, I believe this is the one, you know, where you had the older woman with the younger men. But so this. They had older women come into the villa where they thought that they were just going to meet a bunch of young hunks, but turns out all the young men that they're gonna date are sons. So they're not going to date their own son. But like the other milf, that's her son and they had these weird segments where the mothers would grope the young men's torsos to identify their own son. But there was one show that was one of the biggest ratings success for TLC, like really unlike any other, and that is 19 kids and counting. The show about the Duggars.

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A (19:37)

Yes, there's two sets of twins. And you can kind of see how all of this makes for really good reality tv. Large group of people. There's a large group of people who watch this show that could relate to the Duggars. So they. I mean, probably not the part where they need a whole school bus to transport the family to the grocery store, but a lot of people grew up in super conservative, strict religious families. And either their still in it or they've left it. And they're watching the show with perhaps morbid fascination of what their lives could have been. Where there are people who aren't raised religiously and think that the whole show is very interesting because it's so different from their own way of life. But ultimately it still feels kind of wholesome. Like the biggest plot point of every episode is like, we're having a guest over now. Girls run 20 loads of laundry and ooh, how many cans of pickles are we getting at the grocery store? And now we gotta teach one of the kids how to drive. It's like very slice of lifey. And as long as TLC edits out all the parts that they're probably being homophobic, transphobic, anti woman, anti diversity. You get it, then it's gonna stay wholesome. Now, again, like I said, when I talk about their wholesome family image, it's not because I condone any of some of their bigoted beliefs. And many of them still hold those beliefs. I'm giving you context on how they became famous. And without further research why people might watch their reality show and perceive them to be wholesome. They were literally marketed that way. Christian family trying to navigate the world. It'd be like Duggars go to New York City for the first time. And in this wholesome image. Let's break down the family members. You've got Jim Bob, who comes off originally as the aw shucks guy. Like the aw shucks patriarch. He runs the family. He originally had a Southern dad appeal no more, but he did. He'll be asked about drugs and he could just say, I've never taken drugs. But he's like the ah, shucks. There's a few times I've been sick and I've taken some Tylenol or Aspirin But I've never taken marijuana. Well, nobody was asking you about the Pepcid to cocaine pipeline. Like that's weirdly. You didn't have to say that. Right? Then you have Michelle Duggar. Soft spoken. Makes it hard to believe that she's birthed 18 kids because after like maybe two, you start yelling a little bit more. Because life is hard. Right? But she's, she's not, she's so sad. She portrays herself as someone who never loses her cool, even though she has 19 more kids than most people. But she's also like super mom by the grace of God. She says she wasn't always like that before she found God. You know, she didn't grow up religious like Jim Boob. She actually used to do this crazy thing, sinful, where she would mow her lawn in a bikini as a teenager and she felt it was sinful to lead all the married men astray in the neighborhood. Which is not only really confident, but like a very odd story to share.

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And again, I, I just want to make it like abundantly clear. I think religion is one of the more beautiful aspects to human life and existence, though I'm not religious and that probably is like due to my own personal upbringing. But I think that most people who are in some sort of faith based life, a lot of them are some of the sweetest people and they support gay rights, women's rights, they support all of that. And they're just living life, going to temple, church, synagogue. But he's weird. Okay? So this is not me poking fun at religion. This is me poking fun at Jim Boop. He says they also are not allowed to dance. Jim Bob says we try not to shake body parts to draw attention to our bodies. So the two of them, they go on to have their very first child, Josh Duggar. They called him the little governor. Josh, okay, so Jim Bob eventually gets into politics. Josh Duggar would follow his dad to the capitol in Arkansas and meet with all these politicians. He would even later join the Family Research Council. Like I said, the highly, highly political right wing group. His on air Persona at the time was role model, eldest golden boy, resolute, irresponsible charismatic into politics. This is the prototype for what every Duggar kid should strive to be. He's the first to get married, but even then his relationship with Anna Duggar becomes like a huge storyline for the show. The show leans so heavily into Josh Duggar being Jim Boob 2.0. He's gonna be a great family man. He also ironically sang the loyalty song to Anna during the ceremony during their wedding. Yeah. There's this one scene in the show though. Josh doesn't want to move. So they're all sitting at the dining table and Josh doesn't want to move. He's holding one of their babies and Anna is pregnant with another baby and she's like trying to get behind him and he's like, oh. He makes a half hearted attempt to move his chair. He's like just doing this. And then Anna, she decides, oh, don't mind me, it's okay, you don't have to move. My amazing husband. Let me just get on all fours while I'm pregnant and crawl under the table to get to my seat. Then you have what?

A (26:36)

This was not on the show. Yeah, yeah, but he was flying the plane and they crash landed. And he also was like stealing supplies from missionary efforts. Is the allegation on the Internet. Not my allegation. You people hate him. People hate him. And he has one of the more viral moments on 19 Kids and Counting because at his wedding with his wife, he. This is a lot of the Duggars. Their first kiss is their wedding day wedding ceremony kiss, like, which is great for ratings, Right. But he does this thing where he doesn't just like kiss his wife, he like makes a whole drawn out production of it where he kisses her hands, then her cheeks and then her forehead and her lips and it's very uncomfortable to watch. Then you have Jill Duggar. She's been very outspoken about her family since the show. She will become pivotal later. But while on the show they kind of molded her to be the Persona of the eager to please daughter who wanted to be noticed. She seemed deeply enthusiastic about anything that the family valued. On her wedding day, Jim Bob, her dad, tells her new husband Derek that he has permission to kiss the bride, Jessa. Growing up, she was seen as the outspoken, sharp tongued Duggar by Duggar Sanders. She was the first daughter to enter a courtship on television. And I believe their very first kiss was not at the altar, but afterwards. So they wanted a very private moment for their kiss. Now prior to this, during the courting, Jim Bob gave them permission for a 30 second hug. So there's that. There's also a weird viral moment where Jim Bob and Michelle go on a date with Jessa and Ben during their courting process. And Jim Bob and Michelle, I don't know if the holy spirit compelled them to do this, but they're mini golfing and they're like, here's what all the fun you can have when you get married. And they're just like dry humping on the mini golf course. They're like, who? Jim Bob and Michelle, dry humping. They're both like, you know when you in like the. Yeah, but it was not then you

A (28:29)

Got it okay, Now Ginger, who has been very vocal. She also has two books. Since the reality show ended, there was a whole Free Ginger movement online during the show because she would roll her eyes. She would mention that she wanted to live in a big city one day. She wouldn't mind it. She wouldn't mind living in New York City one day. And so a lot of people online were like, we got to save Ginger. She's the one that we can save. We can get her out of the grip of the fundamentalist. Ginger has since written her book Free Indeed. But she says in her book, as TLC ordered more seasons, I became known as the girl with a million expressions, apparently because of my exaggerated faces. People even called me the Rebel Duggar, which was funny considering I wanted nothing more than to please my parents. It was all because of one offhand comment I made on camera about how I love the city and enjoy visiting it. That innocent statement turned into entire Reddit threads about how I wanted to move away from my family and lead an exciting life in the city. Joseph Duggar, at the time, at the time he's known as the quiet nice one, athletic. A lot of people loved him. They thought that he was soft. He has this baby face. More on him later. Josiah Class, family prankster. He's notably also a rebel by Dugger standard. So much so that he was sent to this camp that fundamentalists go to where which is just like really harsh military esque training, really just. And people said that you could see the light leave his eyes after that. He's generally well liked by the Internet. You have Joy Anna. She's known as the tomboy. I don't know if that word is offensive to some people, but that's what a lot of people would call her on pages. But the show focused on her gravitating more towards boy activities rather than domestic chores like her sister. Then you have Jeremiah and Jedediah. They're the Duggar twins. Fans dubbed them the Lost Boys because they barely ever got individual screen time. They just kind of blend into the episodes. And this is again when they're young because Jedidiah later is gonna get himself into some trouble because he's going to. He's gonna pat his wife on the head when she gives labor and he's gonna weight shame his wife during pregnancy and then he's gonna run for public office. Jason the Builder, another one that just kind of gets lost. He just like builds things very into construction work, flipping houses. James Duggar, known to be resourceful. So in this pink Square. I actually have a lot of the single Duggar children and then obviously they're underage, but like single as in it's actually very important in the Duggar universe of who's married, who has children, who's courted and who is, quote, eligible for courting. It's like a thing. James Duggar, resourceful helper, Justin Duggar. People say he was like the sweet, thoughtful one. And this is during the show. Jackson, the jokester. His parents would say that he's like the best jokester, best storyteller ever. And a lot of the younger Duggars, there's not much, I would say, like their biggest controversies that they face are still being part of very like right wing religious groups. Like, Jackson's thing was he is very involved, I believe in Turning Point usa or he's at like a lot of their conferences. So like the younger Duggars, there's not as much compared to the older Duggars, there's not as much history, there's not as much of a digital footprint and all of these things that's going on. And with two of the older Douglas criminal histories. So with that, you know, Jackson's classic move, though, would be to bring in snakes indoors to tease his siblings. Then you have Johanna. Johanna is after six boys. They finally have another daughter and she's described as outgoing and always tidying up after her siblings, which I don't know if like anyone should be known for that. Then you have Jennifer. The younger ones, like I said, we don't really know much about. But Hugh, animal lover Jordan, Grace, people call her the overlooked baby because right after, and you can kind of see it happen, like right after. Josie is born quickly after. And Josie is nicknamed the miracle baby. She spent six months in the nicu and actually one of the most disturbing scenes in the entire series is the producers film her having a seizure on camera. Josie, Jenna is watching over her, sobbing, praying for her, freaking out. The directors finally step in to help. They rush her to the hospital. Meanwhile, Jim Bob and Michelle are away and do not rush home. So there's something called the Quiverful movement in fundamentalist Christians, which the family has denied being part of it, though it seems like they follow the principles to the T. These are essentially people who believe that children are tools for God. They invoke God's word and that's really the only reason to keep having children beyond conventional desire. Therefore, if you have a ton of children, you are blessed by God and you should keep having these kids because that's what God wants. Wants. So for, like, family planning is frowned upon. Any sort of contraception is frowned upon because it's God's will. Like, if it happens, it's God's will. And if you follow that logic, you can see how forms of birth control can start becoming demonized. There have been lots of controversial statements made by people in the Quiverful movement who liken birth control to murdering children. Even natural family planning, just like following your ovulation scandal is frowned upon by hardcore Quiverfuls, AKA don't even plan when you're least likely to get pregnant. Like, just. Just do it and see what happens. A woman's body is meant to be a living sacrifice. Yeah. To having kids. And that's why a lot of people will track the Duggars. Kids. Kids. So they want to track. A lot of Internet people like to track how many kids each Duggar child has because that gives them an indication of how deep in the fundamentalist religion that they still are. Not all of them have spoken out. Does that make sense?

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Yeah, Vacation Bible study. They would like starve us. It was a thing. Yeah, you couldn't get your food until you memorized a ton of Bible verses. And I was like a chubby little hungry kid and I would come back just like so hungry. Yeah, it was actually like, like I don't even know how that's ethical, but okay, This new year, consider Investing in yourself and your future with Acorns so many people are focused on where their money is today. Acorns is the financial wellness app that cares about where your money is going tomorrow. And with the Acorns potential screen, you can find out what your money is capable of. Acorns is easy. You can sign up in minutes and start automatically investing your spare money, even if all you've got is spare change. Sign up now and Acorns will boost your new account with a $5 bonus. Investment join the over 14 million all time customers who have already saved and invested over $27 billion with Acorns. Head to acorns.com rotten or download the Acorns app to get started. Paid non client endorsement compensation provides incentive to positively promote acorns. Tier 2 compensation provided potential subject to various factors such as customers, accounts, age and investment settings. Does not include Acorns fees. Results do not predict or represent the performance of any Acorns portfolio. Investment results will vary. Investing involves risk Acorns Advisors LLC, an SEC registered investment advisor. View important disclosures@acorns.com rotten if you thought HBO's euphoria was intense in high school, saddle up. Starring Zendaya Sydney Sweeney and Jacob Elordi, Season three of Euphoria picks up five years later and life looks very different. Now these characters are on their own with the freedom to make choices that can build them or break them. No matter what they're chasing money, fame, power, love or redemption, no one can escape their fate. Don't miss the third season of Euphoria, premiering April 12th on HBO and HBO Max. Some of the best things come in layers a cute haircut, wrapped presents, and our sponsor new Tide Evo. The moment Tide Evo hits water, it instantly activates six concentrated cleaning layers to to fight 100% of common stains, including grass and dirt. Each layer has a job, tackling the mess from a different angle with scrubbers, pre treaters, brighteners, and fresheners. Toss one in with your load and that's it. No scooping, no spilling, no squinting at a fill line and no mess. Just clean clothes. And I haven't even told you about my favorite part. Tide Evo is an easy swap you can make if you're trying to cut down on household waste. There are no fillers, no extra water, and no large plastic jug. Tide Evo is lightweight and it comes ready for the wash in a fully recyclable box. I've officially switched over to Tide Evo for my laundry routine, and my clothes smell fresh. It's great. With my sensitive skin, I've even been able to do a few loads with my whites and a little bleach and my white towels that survived a dog bath or two came out refreshed. When all those layers work together the way they're supposed to, there's nothing left to question. It's the same feeling as a case with no loose ends, where every detail has done its job. Try new Tide Evo. Real laundry magic.

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Even when there are crimes committed against children, there are no divorces. Like genuinely, the rhetoric in their beliefs, and I'm not saying there as in the children, but maybe, perhaps because the lack of divorce is kind of astonishing in certain circumstances, but I think their view of divorce is genuinely, you might as well sever your relationship with Christ. But the whole point of this is just to get you familiar with Joshua, the firstborn Duggar child, and to understand him and why he gets locked up in federal prison for over a decade for crimes against children. So in order to understand that, we also have to know, like I said, we gotta know. 19 kids and counting, the reality show which I just told you about. But we also have to talk about Jim Bob's political rush. This is a high bar to call a political career. It's just disastrous. I feel like you, I mean, okay, everyone holding office, their career has been Disastrous. Jim Bob's career is a car crash straight into the Capitol. But he hasn't even made it in the car. The car is driving itself and he's just like chasing after it, trying to get into this car crash. His political career is a mess. He does get elected as a House representative in the Arkansas House of Representatives and then wins reelection. But instead of seeking a third term, he's like, I gotta run for the Senate in Arkansas because God told me to, and God wants me on vacation. But the world works in mysterious ways. Here we are, right? But he first runs for Senate and the only issue he seems to care for is abortion. And apparently he hates Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton being elected horrified him into action. So I don't know, maybe he's got a good chance, right? So the person that he's running up against is another Republican. He's actually gotten a lot of hot water. This is why I think he has a good chance. So this Republican that was in the Senate, he's all, God is good all the time. All the time, God is good. And then he goes and divorces his wife of 39 years and then marries a former employee. And his voter base is like, hello, what the hell was that? This guy is a former Southern Baptist minister turned politician turned divorcee turned second marriage with a former staffer who's much younger than you. I mean, why? So Jim Bob is going up against that. Most people could win up against that. He just doesn't know anything about politics. During debates, when he's asked to address key issues, he just like. He's like, come on, kids. And he'll bring 13 of his kids on stage and they'll sing a song. And everyone is like, we asked you a question. And he's like, shut up. I'm a family man. Needless to say, he gets wrecked. He loses, but he runs again after and then fails. And then he just ends up helping other Republicans, like, like Mike Huckabee, Rick Santorum stating that he loves Rick because Rick wants less government intervention in our lives. Except when they want to control women's bodies. Okay? Interestingly enough, Jim Bob very vocal about wanting to make rape and incest capital crimes. Basically, if you commit incest, you should be killed by the government. Keep this in mind for later. It just gets like a mess of a political career. And if you think that Jim Bob has very anti everything values in politics in Arkansas. There are two gyms in politics in Arkansas with these beliefs. You've got Jim Bob and his very close best friend, Jim Holt. So Jim Holt is going to be important. Okay? Jim Holt has a lot of similar beliefs to Jim Bob. He and his wife Bobby have 11 kids. And Jim Holt has won a seat in the Arkansas House of Representatives where he co sponsors a bill that would require public. Public schools to state that evolution is an unproven theory. He's also homophobic. He said that, quote, if my own mother voted against the federal marriage amendment, I'd be campaigning against her. Every person in America has come together on this issue of same sex marriage. We have the issue that is we must defend our traditional values. He also said for Roe v. Wade, it is a terrible decision and should be overturned. If we truly care for the women of our great country, we must end this cruel and gruesome procedure. Depressing, yes. But Bobby Holt, the wife of Jim Holt, says that she's known the Duggars for decades. They're all in politics and they all go to the same church. They do Bible studies and ski trips together. And the Duggar kids apparently call her Auntie Bobby Holt. It would, you know, only make sense, right, that their children would eventually court each other. So Joshua Duggar was originally not, by most people's beliefs, gonna marry Anna Duggar, the little governor. That's what they called Joshua Duggar asks Jim Holt for his eldest daughter Kaylee Holt's hand in marriage. They start the courting process. It's kind of expected. Common knowledge, no. Oh, secretly, this was like before. Oh. And it was common knowledge that this was gonna happen in the community and they were just gonna get married. Like that was it. No one ever. No one was, like, even looking at Joshua as someone who was gonna be courting anybody else because that's how close they were. They're like, like two boobs in a bra. And then no, because I have to find some happiness somewhere sometimes because this was so depressing. Okay. But the Holts find out something really, really bad about Joshua. Something that requires Josh to be sent away for four months. Away from his family, his parents, his siblings. And the Holts, they want Joshua to never come around their daughter ever again. But nobody knows why.

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to marry me, and she, like, looks surprised, and finally she whispers, yes. And Michelle Duggar explains. Anna, since it was your 20th birthday and you had made that commitment to the Lord that you wouldn't court or get engaged or whatever until you turned 20, your daddy, you know, had said he really wanted you to keep that commitment. So I guess Joshua and your daddy figured out all this together to surprise you. Three months later, they're married. Anna goes from her dad's house in Florida to her husband's house in Arkansas. And people describe their relationship as a super fan meets religious royalty. Like, Anna is just obsessed. She has never lived alone. She's never had a real job. She's never. She doesn't even have a driver's license for the first few years that they're married. And within a year of being married, she's pregnant with their first child. And they later become known as the M kids. So they carry on the tradition of naming all their children with the very first first initial. All their names start with an M. Now they're leaving the family size up to God. So they're just having as many children as God wills, right? But one thing to note that comes out during the scandal is while Anna Duggar and the M kids are always spotted wearing $2 flip flops because they don't really have a lot of money and there's a lot of kids Joshua Duggar is out here spending $1,000 on Ashley Madison. Furthermore, a lot of people who personally knew Anna Duggar said that she was quite loud and opinionated before marrying Josh and just having babies back to back. They thought that slowly she started talking like Michelle Duggar. Like just real soft, toned things down. Everything is what they call a pastor's wife whisper. They even used Covenant eyes. So Anna was Joshua's accountability partner, but somehow he bypasses that to get on Ashley Madison and OkCupid and watch Explicit videos, which is the whole point of the Covenant Eyes. But Anna, a lot of people feel a lot of sympathy, but they thought it was predictable that Anna would choose to stay with her husband. You know, everyone around them just spoke about it as if Joshua Duggar was also a victim in this. Like, that's how this whole scandal gets handled. Jim Bob, during a sermon, he's nervously giggling. I guess you've read it in the newspapers or seen it on tv, but we've gone through a lot of trials. Michelle says, I didn't think I need to talk to Josh. I'm going to talk to our heavenly

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His phone on the windshield so he could drive hands free. And there's just X rated videos playing while he's driving. And he's just like, he knew that car. Either he didn't care or he, he didn't know. I don't know. But like, what do you expect from couples who follow the religious semi cult leader? Some would call it a cult. I wouldn't call it a cult because cult leaders love giving season desist. But his name is Bill Gothard. More on him later. But on the website for iblp, which is what they follow Basic life principles. They have this article titled should I confess my secret sin to my wife and how so these are for husbands and the article reads in short, yes you should. When you come clean with your wife by confessing moral failures, you will have a feeling of euphoria. It will seem as though hundreds of bricks have been taken off your shoulders. However, in a sense, your wife will now be carrying this burden. Now is when you say, thank you God for setting me free. I now choose to do whatever it takes to see that my wife is set free and healed from the truckload of stuff I have dumped on her. Another article says God clearly says he hates divorce. Divorce is linked with treachery and violence in our day of encounter. Increasing violence even among Christians. May God give us the strength and courage to call divorce what God calls it, breaking a covenant. So when Joshua bypasses the covenant eyes to cheat on his wife, everyone just says, I mean he's gotta, he's gotta humble himself before God. Even Ben Shapiro tweets, the left don't target Josh Duggar because he's a garbage fire. They target him because he advocated Christian values. I don't know how you advocate Christian values when you're on Ashley Madison, okay? But Anna chooses to stay. And some people can understand given her circumstances, her religious background and a lot of other couples who chose to stay together after the Ashley Madison leak. It's not just Christians. So if it were just that, maybe people could understand Anna Duggar. But they don't. Because the thing that confuses people is right around the time of the Ashley Madison leak and scandal that's happening, there's bigger problems. Like the real reason Joshua Duggar never married Jim Holtz daughter. It wasn't political differences. It's because the Holt's found out that when Joshua Duggar was 15 years old he molested his younger sisters and confessed to it. But did Anna and her family know about it? And just how long has everybody been covering for Josh Duggar? And what about his victims? And how is this connected to the two other Duggars that were arrested this year like a month ago, another one for crimes against children? Would Anna Duggar still have chosen to stay then if she knew that in a few years her husband Joshua Duggar would bypass the covenant eye system that they had in place place and be arrested for downloading some of the worst CSAM content, including infants and children that the federal investigation working on that case, they said it was one of the worst that they had ever seen. There are links to some of the content that he pulled and it was linked to Daisy's destruction. And that is where I leave you with the video. Part 1 audio Part 2 of the Duggar Empire Fall there's going to be the next part. We're going to go through Joshua's trial and then the two other Duggars arrest. So stay tuned, be safe, and I will see you in the next one.