Co-host (3:05)

Was this like the latest?

Podcast Host (3:06)

Yes, it was released in the latest Epstein files on January 30th.

Co-host (3:10)

That's freaking insane.

Podcast Host (3:12)

And there's more. Chase bank had flagged the FBI of suspicious transactions to her Chase account. Cash deposits, all of them were under $10,000. It was like a total of $11,000. But people said that experts weighed in and they said for Chase to flag those types of cash transactions to the FBI, to the FBI, means that it must have been a certain cadence. And interestingly, one of the biggest cash deposits, which was like $5,000, was the same day that Jeffrey Epstein was moved into the Special Housing Unit, which is the unit that she is in.

Co-host (3:46)

Wow. Wow.

Podcast Host (3:49)

So all of this, I mean, the answer could be as simple as this is all a coincidence, or maybe it is a glitch in the computer, or it could be as dark as some people just know things before they happen. And maybe it has nothing to do with a premonition. That is what the House Oversight Committee wants to know and why they want to formally interview Epstein's jail guards again, to answer all the questions, not just about the searches, but also how. The exact day that Epstein is returned to the Special Housing Unit, the same guard gets a cash deposit to her bank account. Why? Chase bank flagged 12 separate cash deposits to her bank account as suspicious activity. And why, at the time, knowing all of this, the Department of Justice never questioned her about any of the cash deposits. And the only reason that we know any of this is because it's been released in the Epstein files. In fact, a lot of new information has come out of the files, leading people to start rabbit holing into conspiracy theories. Were children being sacrificed? Were they being eaten alive by the elites? Is Epstein' still alive? And how do Epstein, Bill Clinton, and Donald Trump all connect? We'd like to thank today's sponsors who have made it possible for Rotten Mango to support the Joyful Heart Foundation. They are working to transform society's response to SADV and CA and support survivors healings. This episode's partnerships have also made it possible to support Rotten Mango's growing team, and we'd also like to thank you guys for your continued support. As always, full show notes are available@roottenmangopodcast.com and we're also going to link the change.org petition by various survivors of Jeffrey Epstein in the show notes so that you can go sign that. There's a lot of disclaimers with this case, but first and foremost, a lot of statements and full depositions. 4 hour long, 5 hour long, 6 hour long depositions happen, condensed and rearranged just for clarity. Brevity for me to give you context to other questions. But these are all publicly available information, as well as just the fact that House Oversight Committee, if they speak to certain people, such as Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, even the security guard who they want to talk to, it doesn't imply guilt. They're being called in as witnesses. They're not being called in as suspects. Like, there's no implication of guilt here. Even if someone's name shows up in the files, there's no implication of guilt. In fact, they all say that they're not guilty. So with that being said, let's get started. They call him the Donor Whisperer. If you need someone to reach deep into somebody else's pockets and give you some chump change, you call Middleton. He's a proximity distributor. It's like a weird thing. He doesn't sell you power because that's hard. Like, you have to be good. You still have to be charismatic to some extent to be sold power. Then you can be a politician, right? He sells you a chance to be right next to power, to interact with power itself. Mark Middleton worked with the Clinton administration before resigning, but there's a lot of drama there. There's a lot of controversy surrounding his career. There is speculation that he kept using his connections to meet with foreign billionaires and take their money with the promise of getting them in the same room as Clinton. He's the one that Fam said in an internal memo. Personally, with a few exceptions, I don't think there should ever be an empty seat on board Air Force One. Every flight that Bill Clinton takes, he thinks donors should be on board. That's always been kind of the way that he does it. Donors of the president should be cared for and fed. And one of those potential donors is Jeffrey Epstein. While Bill Clinton is in office, Jeffrey Epstein visits the White house at least 17 times, all under Mark Middleton's tenure. He's the one that basically okays Epstein being on the guest list, Bill Clinton will later say, I have no clue. Like, these are just donors that come to the White House. They host parties. That's it. I don't know anything about this. Mark Middleton is the one that's letting them in. But that was then, this is now. Well, this was 2022, so four years ago. Mark Middleton, they say he only got worse. He was receiving medical treatment for it. But with Ghislaine Maxwell being convicted, Mark Middleton's association with Epstein and Bill Clinton is being scrutinized more in the public eye. People are digging up the fact he likely accepted hundreds of thousands of dollars from foreign interests while insinuating that they could get White House access. So instead of explaining all of that, he had just pled the fifth on everything. All of that's coming back up. Nobody's really looking past his career in with envy and admiration. He got to the White House. He got near power, but it seems like power corrupts. That's the sentiment. May 7, 2022, Saturday morning in Arkansas. Mark Middleton gets into his BMW suv. He starts driving. He has never been here before, but he stops his car in this giant farm. It's 1200 acres of working farmland owned by an anti poverty nonprofit. This is Mark Middleton's first and last time visiting the farm. He sits in the car and he sends his wife a text message. Found a perfect place for a nap in the sun. Going to rest for a while. You're a great mom and wife, babe. Please be happy today and get some sun. It'll make you feel better. I love you. He sends a heart emoji. So he parks.

Co-host (9:16)

That's an eerie text message.

Podcast Host (9:18)

He parks the BMW near the back of the farm and he walks up to this really tall tree and he somehow like MacGyvers and drags a bench underneath this tall tree. And he uses a dollar store type extension cord to tie himself to this tree. But that's not how he dies. He puts a shotgun up to his chest and the trigger is pulled and his feet leave the bench. It's this very elaborate setup that Mark Middleton is found dead. And for the past few years, since 2022, there have been whispers that maybe

Co-host (9:50)

so I can't really follow the. Like, what did he do? He tied a rope and a shotgun.

Podcast Host (9:56)

Yes. To his chest.

Co-host (9:58)

So did he die by a gunshot?

Podcast Host (10:00)

Yes. But also he was found, like hanging.

Co-host (10:04)

Oh, okay.

Podcast Host (10:06)

And so for the past few years, because of how strange that whole thing is, there have been whispers that yet maybe he didn't do it to himself. The shotgun was found approximately 30ft away from his body, which a lot of people found very suspicious.

Co-host (10:20)

30ft?

Podcast Host (10:21)

Yes. How did that happen? Some experts argue it could be from the recoil of the discharge. But even the shotgun aspect is bizarre because that's a very long barrel weapon.

Co-host (10:34)

Yes.

Podcast Host (10:34)

It's very uncomfortable to use and more often than not, and I don't know statistically this could just be anecdotal from researching, but chest is an odd, odd choice. Maybe it was for family of having an open casket, I don't know. But chest is an odd choice. A shotgun is an odd choice. A shotgun and the tree is an odd choice. A farm that he's never visited, this is his first time going to the farm is an odd choice. There's a things authorities are reassuring the public that there's no evidence that anybody else has been present. No evidence of a struggle, no sign of foul play, nothing. Mark Middleton had a history of depression, that is what we are told. And a lot of people who already dislike the Clinton family, either because of their politics or because of their connection to Epstein, have started a conspiracy. They have stated. It's odd, isn't it? I mean the timing. In 2022, new information was being released about Epstein and then Mark Middleton dies. Some Internet users already fell into this conspiracy rabbit hole that the Clintons could potentially be behind Epstein's death in jail in 2019. This is them cleaning up all their loose ends. Jeffrey Epstein and then who connected them to Jeffrey Epstein? Probably Mark Middleton. He's the middleman. That's what a lot of Internet conspiracy theorists have gone to. Popular Facebook conspiracy posts think that it's. It's a valid connection to explore. And adding a bit more fuel to the conspiracy fire is that a month after Mark Middleton's death, his family fil seal the crime scene photos. Well, not crime scene photos, incident photos. But they used the law firm, Rose Law Firm, which is where Hillary Clinton practiced becoming first lady. So she was an attorney. Conspiracy communities have started seeing this as like a smoking gun raider online, which is. I don't know how you would classify that publication, but apparently they spoke to a close source, a potential associate of Mark Middleton, stating that, quote, everyone that I know here knows it's physically impossible for Mark to have self exited. Then Daily Mail goes to post. Arkansas cops rule self exit and death of Clinton aid linked to Jeffrey Epstein despite no sign of a weapon. I will say that this goes viral and more people jump into the conspiracy theory. But there was a weapon found. It was just found 30ft away. Daily Mail does quietly publish a correction to that, that the shotgun was indeed found 30ft away from the body. But it's way too late. The Clinton body count hashtag starts trending with social media users tagging all of the suspicious deaths around the Clinton family, many of them being self exits to which someone comments on Reddit. So should working with the Clintons now be a registered cause of death for Emmys? Even Trump reportedly retweets hashtag Clinton body count back in 2019 and now in 2026. Mark Middleton's death is again a topic of conversation because Bill Clinton is asked about it during his deposition regarding the Epstein files. And MAGA has gone to repost those clips with Clinton body count. But Middleton isn't just connected to the Clintons. There's one flight log that shows Middleton flying on Epstein's private jet. And also aboard that flight is Donald Trump, his then wife, Marla Maples, and their infant daughter Tiffany. That is what is being reported. So how closely are they all connected? Hillary Clinton has made a comeback in a sense. I feel like she has been largely out of the general public's eye. After her presidential run, Hillary Clinton is deposed to talk about Epstein, a man that she honestly barely associated with. I will say that before the deposition, Hillary Clinton is asked whether or not she thinks people like, you know, even and Andrew Mountbatten Windsor should go before a congressional committee. And she states, I think everybody should testify who is asked to testify. And this whole thing of getting the Clintons in front of the House Oversight Committee has been going on, has been in the talks since like October of last year.

Co-host (14:31)

Mm.

Podcast Host (14:32)

This is not a new thing. Everybody's been fighting. People want different things. The Republicans wanted it to be a closed door conversation and the Democrats and the Clintons were like, why the fuck would we do that? So that you can just leak and manipulate different things to spin your own narrative. We want it to be completely public. There's been a lot of back and forth to a lot of House Oversight Committee members that are Republicans, even threatening to throw the Clintons in for contempt of Congress if they don't show up to be deposed. It's been back and forth, back and forth. And she states to the BBC before her deposition, I just want it to be fair. I want everybody treated the same way. We have nothing to hide. We have called for the full release of these files repeatedly. We think sunlight is the best disinfectant. And she thinks that this is a huge ploy from the White House stating that this is, you know, quote, look at this shiny object. We're going to have the Clintons, even Hillary Clinton, who never even met the guy. She goes in to be deposed in March of this year. And an hour into the deposition, all hell breaks loose. A Republican representative, Lauren Boebert, she takes a picture of Hillary Clinton in the deposition room and then leaks it to social media. So, yes, it's going to be public, but it's not live.

Co-host (15:41)

And it's like breaking news. Guys, look.

Podcast Host (15:44)

And Hillary Clinton, I don't know. I don't know why they thought they were doing what they were doing, but she has a strong emotional reaction. And that's probably the clips that you've seen on social media where she says, I'm finished with this. If you're all going to do that, I'm finished. You can hold me in contempt until the cows come home. This is just typical behavior. And she storms out, and then she comes back in. But I will say, the girlies, I mean, they seem to love Hillary Clinton's deposition for the sole fact of the people that are questioning her are House committee representatives. They're not attorneys. Hillary Clinton is an attorney. And the way that she's able to shut down questions, the way that she's able to just. I mean, I don't even know what her attorneys were doing in there because she was doing everything. She's so sharp. She is sharp. Trump is attack whether you like her, you don't like her, you have your opinions on her. She was fully there. And people have taken it one of both ways. Some people think Hillary Clinton is the definition of standby your man. And they don't say this in a positive way. Okay. And these are mainly coming from Democrats because Republicans have a lot more harsh things to say. But that typically lies in the politics of it all, you know? Right. But with the Democrats, and because Hillary Clinton is a Democrat, they'll say, wow, she's the definition of stand by her man. Because famously, her husband cheated on her with an intern in the White House, Bill Clinton, Monica Lewinsky, or other people think she hates her husband. In the whole deposition, she's like, why are you asking me? Go ask Bill. Why are you asking me? Ask Bill. Ask my husband Bill. He'll probably know. I don't know anything. But I will say, overall, there is nothing illuminating from her deposition. Truly, I don't think that Hillary Clinton has any sort of connection with Epstein. There a photo where she does shake his hand, but again, that's like at a White House donor dinner. Where she's just shaking everybody's hand. She's first Lady. I'm sure she's shook hands with people that she still doesn't remember to this day that have gone on to do some very bad things as well. If anything, I think that Lauren Boebert is the one that gets the most hate in this whole deposition. She just was asking a lot of weird stuff. She leaked the photo, and then she was asking about Pizzagate, which I will say the Pizzagate as Lauren Boebert is asking about. Pizzagate is not real Pizzagate. The conspiracy she's asking about is a debunked conspiracy theory that Democrats operated a child trafficking ring out of a Washington pizza restaurant. It has now kind of transformed into something else where people are saying pizza stands for child. So people who are into child trafficking will use pizza and, like, as a code language for kids. So that. I mean. But I think Lowen Boebert is asking about it in the original sense of the pizza store. Like, they all ran a pizza shop. But now social media has taken it to a different way of saying, like, look at Ellen DeGeneres. And there's a whole pizza thing where Adele is, like, what's another word for okay? I think, like, Adele was on a Show with Ellen DeGeneres, and there's this game where Adele is asked what are other nicknames for private body parts? Or something along that line. And she says, pizza is one. And she looks at Ellen DeGeneres, and Ellen DeGeneres looks at the crowd, and she looks unhappy. And people have used that to say, oh, pizza, pizza. Like, there's been a lot of, like, conspiracies going on. But you know what's not a conspiracy, though? That I think there is a pizza situation in D.C. right now that we should also be looking at. There were reports that there is a pizza shop near the Pentagon. That is their sales have gone up exponentially since the war in Iran has started.

Co-host (19:22)

Yeah.

Podcast Host (19:23)

So whether that's foreign intelligence coming into the pizza shop to eavesdrop, whether that's people ordering pizzas to the Pentagon, I don't know. I don't know. But she kind of comes out of this deposition as the one that did not perform the best. Hillary Clinton overall, from what I can see, a lot of people like her like her deposition. However, this next part is pretty monumental. This is going to be the first time a former US President has testified to a congressional panel since gerald Ford in 1980. He says, this is Bill Clinton. He's sitting there, and, like, we haven't seen Bill Clinton in a really long time either. He's so old, I. I think that he might be dealing with some sort of health issue. He reminds, because my grandfather had Parkinson's, every time he grabs his water, he's incredibly shaky. A lot of people have associated that with him being guilty. That's his tell. Some people have said that him drinking water is the tell. Other people have taken a step further to say, like, he's so nervous. People have made short clips and memes of it. I definitely think that he has some sort of condition where he's shaking quite a bit. But he says, first of all, good morning to you all. You know, welcoming to you all to our hometown. I appreciate you coming here. I'm here today basically for two reasons. First of all, I love my country and the Constitution. And I believe America was built on the idea that no one is above the law, especially presidents, and that we should all live by the same set of rules shaped by the Constitution. Democracy requires every person to play their part. And I hope that being here today, we can bring ourselves a little further away from the brink and back to being a country where we can dissuade, disagree civilly, and search for truth and justice. So he goes on to state that the second reason why I'm here is that the girls and women whose lives Jeffrey Epstein destroyed deserve not just justice, but healing. They've been waiting way too long for both. He states that he was only briefly acquainted with Jeffrey Epstein, and it ended years before his crimes even came to light. So this is pre 2008. He never witnessed anything in their limited interactions. But he wants to help the doj. He wants to help the House Committee to make sure that they can all prevent something like this from happen, happening again. He also mentions that his wife, Hillary Clinton, should not have to answer to anybody. Basically, in more eloquent words, he states that she's got nothing to do with Epstein. There's one singular picture of them shaking hands when Epstein came to the White House, and that is it. However, quote, on the other hand, I do think you should be talking to me. I think you should have called me. I did take those plane trips with him, and you have the right to ask those questions. So I'm glad to be here, and I understand what the oath is. I'll have to be honest with you. I'll be 80 years old if I live to my next birthday. I don't remember everything that happened 24 years ago, but I do remember some things. And I will tell you what I remember as best as I can. But I will say just before we go into the deposition, there is an uncomfortable moment later on where Bill Clinton is asked if he's ever lied under oath or during a deposition, to which he responds, no, but we all know that he technically has lied under oath before regarding the Monica Lewinsky situation where he states that he did not have sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky. And we all know that that was not true. So some people think that that's damning evidence as is and that we should look at the deposition with a different perspective. Just knowing that. 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With 75% less sugar and all the electrolytes of Gatorade thirst Quencher, you'll be back at your best and ready to take on whatever comes your way. New to the fridge, all the Gatorade electrolytes you love, Try Gatorade lower sugar today. How did he meet Epstein? Former President Bill Clinton states that he met him through Larry Summers, who was the head of Harvard at the time. Okay. We hear about Larry Summers way too damn often. Okay. He was the Secretary of Treasury during Clinton's administration, Larry Summers. So everybody's connected through Larry fucking Summers. Larry Summers. And this is me paraphrasing for what I believe to be brevity. But you can watch like the whole four and a half hour long deposition if you'd like. Larry Summers is like, hey Bill, you should meet this donor. He just gave Harvard $10 million for brain research. He's information hungry. You would love talking to him. Like he loves to talk about economics, politics. Oh, and here's the cherry on top. You just got out of the White House. You're trying to start your own foundation, the Clinton Foundation. You're trying to cure aids. You're trying to do all this stuff. He's got a massive jet and he can fly you around you and your entire Secret Service detail because you can't fly by yourself these days because you know you just got out of the White House and he can help you set up your nonprofit to provide life saving AIDS medications to as many people around the world as possible. And because you just got out of the White House, it hadn't been funded yet. So that's great. He kind of insinuates that Epstein was just a means to an end for the foundation and that a lot of people who cared more about the work that Clinton was doing, they would get involved later. So that's why Bill Clinton stopped hanging out with Epstein. Quote, I thought Mr. Epstein was an interesting man, but I didn't think he was really invested in what I was doing. But he asked all these questions he did ask about economics and politics. He never asked me anything untoward. And I'd always, you know, over the years with these donors, try not to overstay my welcome. I thought that we had done enough, and then it was time to start working with other people. Which side note about Larry Summers, before we move on, he has resigned from his academic and faculty appointments at Harvard. So remember, he was then president, but then he was working as a professor. And then the Epstein files came out, and then he gave this whole, like, weird Epstein lecture to his students. He also stepped down and parted ways with the New York Times, Bloomberg and OpenAI. He was on the board, I believe, or some advisory or something like that. But Bill Clinton interestingly describes Epstein as a vacuum cleaner. How would you describe your substance of conversations with Jeffrey Epstein during the many hours that you spent together on the aircraft? At first, he really seemed like a vacuum cleaner. There was nothing overtly manipulative about it. He just wanted to know, what did I think of derivatives trading? Did I think that the stock market was properly regulated or did it need more? And it was great for the. The first two, three, four or five conversations. But I could just tell that it was like, I mean, you guys are in politics. He's talking to the committee members. Don't you ever just feel like somebody's, you know, sometimes somebody's talking to you and then they're just checking the box and they gotta go meet some, do something else, meet somebody else. That's the way I felt. So he's saying it felt like Jeffrey Epstein just wanted to say he knew Bill Clinton, which is kind of alarming. The House Committee wants to know if perhaps Epstein was trying to get specific information out of Bill Clinton. I mean, that would be a huge concern for national security. If, let's say, a trafficker has blackmail against, very well connected politically, one of the most powerful people on the planet, what could happen then?

Co-host (28:52)

Why did he call him a vacuum cleaner, though?

Podcast Host (28:55)

Just wants knowledge. Just like vacuum cleaning information.

Co-host (29:00)

Yeah, but at the same time, he doesn't really care.

Podcast Host (29:02)

Yeah.

Co-host (29:02)

He just wants information to be used on other.

Podcast Host (29:06)

I imagine he's like the type where you sit down and it's rapid fire. 25 questions. And if you don't answer in the way that they think is entertaining or interesting, they just move on to the next person. Is kind of the feeling that I get from his response. But they ask, you know, was he ever trying to monetize the relationship, to your knowledge? To the best of my knowledge, he never did. Did Jeffrey Epstein ever inform or represent to you that he was working with any intelligence service of any nation, including the United States States? No, but they show him a picture. So they show Bill Clinton a picture of a man named Marius Robert, whom Clinton says he doesn't know who that person is. He's like, I've never seen this person in my life. I don't know who Marius Robert is. But they're like, what about the passport photo? Because there he's shown a picture of a passport. They're like, the passport name is Marius Robert. You don't know Marius Robert, but who does the picture look like? Looks like Jeffrey Epstein. They explain. The reason I ask you about this specifically is because I do believe that Jeffrey Epstein was an intelligence operative. So this was a passport that was actually entered and released by the doj. It was found in his safe, if you will. So it's an alias. The reason I ask you that is, given your nature and position, I'm wondering if you were essentially targeted by a honeypot operation and. Or by intelligence to gather information. Bill Clinton smiles. Is there a question? So with that, one of the main people under fire with the new Epstein files release is Howard Lutnick. He's the former New York City neighbor to Jeffrey Epstein. He.

Co-host (30:36)

He's a neighbor?

Podcast Host (30:37)

Yeah, like next door neighbor. And according to Politico, Howard Lutnick has stated in a podcast that he vowed back in 2005 that he would never be in the same room as Epstein ever again. Which is like, a very odd thing. Why 2005? Right. But then, according to the file dump, Howard Letnick also reportedly invited Epstein to a 2015 fundraiser for Hillary Clinton. So it's unclear if Epstein went, but what the hell, okay. He's the Secretary of Commerce appointed by Trump. They're trying to get him to resign as we speak.

Co-host (31:12)

And he was just a neighbor back in the days.

Podcast Host (31:15)

He was a neighbor, and he was, I mean, at one point, close to the Clintons, who are Democrats, but now he's the Secretary of Commerce with Trump. Yeah, but he was right next door to Jeffrey Epstein's $250 million New York City, just mansion. So he goes on this podcast, Howard Lutnick does, and he said that he and his wife were invited over to Jeffrey Epstein's house because they're neighbors. So it's like, hey, billionaire and billionaire, let's all meet. I don't know if they're billionaires, but so they see this massage table just in the middle of a room in Epstein's house, and it's just candles everywhere. And Epstein creepily insinuates that he gets a massage every day, the right kind of massage. So Lutnick and his wife, Allison Lutnick, he says they all but flee the Manhattan townhouse because they're, like, disgusting. Disgusting. And according to Howard Lutnick, and in the six to eight steps it takes to get from his house to my house, my wife and I decided I was never, ever going to be in the room with him socially, even for business or even philanthropy. If that guy was there, I wasn't going because he's gross. Safe to assume that he was never in the same room with Epstein since 2005. Right. But the emails show that he was reportedly at Epstein's eyelid. Years after 2005, he emailed Epstein stating that him and his wife and children, along with another family, were visiting the Caribbean and asked if Epstein would be around and whether or not they could visit him for a meal. And then a day later, Epstein emails Lutnick, nice seeing you. So we don't know if he was on Epstein's island, but safe to assume that they did see each other in the Caribbean's.

Co-host (32:45)

Yeah.

Podcast Host (32:46)

Even in 2017, according to the New York Times, Epstein contributed to a charity dinner that was in honor of Letnick. But in a Senate subcommittee hearing, Lutnick says, I did not have a relationship with him. I barely had anything to do with that person. Okay.

Co-host (33:01)

I've never heard anybody say, oh, yeah, I know Epstein. Yeah, nobody. Everyone says exact same thing. Don't know the guy. Barely know the guy. I don't talk to him.

Podcast Host (33:11)

I think that I was just a friend of his, even though I spent 50 hours on a private plane with him. Yeah, his private plane with him.

Co-host (33:18)

Him. It's like nobody knows him, but he knows everybody.

Podcast Host (33:22)

Yeah.

Co-host (33:22)

Like everybody's in his email.

Podcast Host (33:23)

Exactly. You know, I met with him over the next 14 years. I met him two other times that I can recall, basically. Yeah. As for that lunch with his wife and kids and Epstein, he says, my wife was with me, as were my four children and nannies. I had another couple with, you know, they were there as well, with their children. And we had lunch on the island. That is true. For an hour. I've done absolutely nothing wrong in any possible regard. Also, Howard Letnick just looks AI generated. I don't know how else to describe it. It was bothering me ever since, and I have nobody to talk to about it. He looks like AI generated pictures. Like, you know when you see those AI generated people who, like, go fishing and then they catch a shark and they're like. And it just looks so AI generated. That's what Howard Lutnick looks like to me. But during his deposition, Bill Clinton, he's asked why President Trump ignored other prominent figures in his circle, such as Howard Lutnick, who have had close ties with Epstein, which. This is an opinion question, because the House Committee is asking Bill Clinton, why do you think President Trump is ignoring other people in his circle that have prominent figures, such as Howard Lutnick, who have had close ties with Epstein? How is he supposed to know what Trump is thinking? This is not a question that Bill Clinton can answer. This is an opinion question. They're not here to give opinions. And other times where they're asked opinion questions that they don't want to answer, their attorneys step in, Bill Clinton steps, and Hillary Clinton is like, I'm not here for speculation. I'm here for facts. They say all of this, but Bill Clinton, his attorneys don't stop him. And Bill Clinton says Letnick runs a big company and has made a lot of money and has supported him sternly. I don't think he believes that he's done anything bad enough, too. You know, I think he thinks he took his family to the island and he couldn't have done anything wrong. That's what I think he thinks. But I'm speculating. I'm doing what I, you know, I have no business doing, because I really don't know.

Co-host (35:17)

And why'd you say that?

Podcast Host (35:19)

Yeah, and this is where a lot of people have a lot of problems with this. I think that this could easily, if you want to have zero nuance and if you want to just, like, die by your party, which. Who wants to die by their party these days? You could make it a Republican and Democrat issue. But I will say that no victim of sex trafficking ever cared what party their abuser belonged to. So I don't think that this is a Democrat, Republican issue. I think this is an issue of sex trafficking and people in power. So this is not like me saying, oh, because of my political party, I'm going to side with this guy over that guy. But one thing that a lot of Democrats who would typically take Bill Clinton's side, they're saying, hold on. It's very uncomfortable that he's almost giving Trump outs. It's the same thing that Ghislaine Maxwell did last year in her DOJ interview with Todd Blanch, who. That was a whole thing. It's just weird. Why give your opinion on what Trump is thinking when you're not supposed to answer to opinions? And you gave your opinion in a way that almost clears Trump. Like, I'm sure Trump thinks he didn't have a relationship with Epstein. That's basically what he's saying. There is currently bipartisan effort to get Howard Letnick out, to get him to resign. I just think the craziest thing, though, is that Howard Lutnick is a billionaire, but he couldn't. Why even go on a podcast? Just to eat your own words later. It's so weird. Why go on a podcast and say, this happened in 2005? And my wife and I were like, we're never gonna see this guy.

Co-host (36:50)

Right, right, right.

Podcast Host (36:51)

It's just they.

Co-host (36:52)

Wait, the 2005 comment, when was that made?

Podcast Host (36:55)

Like, last year?

Co-host (36:56)

Oh, in the podcast.

Podcast Host (36:57)

Yeah.

Co-host (36:58)

And then the email came out.

Podcast Host (37:00)

Yeah. And then they're like, why'd you even go on the podcast? You could have just shut up about Epstein. You could have just not said anything.

Co-host (37:09)

Well, he didn't think it was gonna come out. Yeah, Right.

Podcast Host (37:14)

So then the deposition heads into the flights, and it's been confirmed, and it's very apparent that Bill Clinton has been on Epstein's private plane numerous times. The Lolita Express, if you will. He admits that during one flight, Naomi Campbell happened to be there. This is a name that consistently comes up. But there's no, like, damning evidence against Naomi Campbell. She just keeps coming up all the time.

Co-host (37:35)

Time.

Podcast Host (37:36)

Bill Clinton states that it was all for philanthropic charitable work. You know, depending on your political views, depending on your view of powerful men abusing their positions, depending on your instinct. A lot of netizens have different takes about these types of responses, but nevertheless, he's like, it was all for philanthropy. I was just trying to save people. In the deposition, he's asked, because of the flight logs, they show that there are young girls on these planes. Planes. So when I hear young girls, I'm assuming that they're all of age, because they would have said underage. Right. So the flight logs at least depict. And the pictures show that they're wearing tank tops and jeans. Who did he think they were. Is Epstein like, this is my assistant who is wearing a tank top and jeans to do philanthropic work. Why am I bringing this specific assistant to this trip? Like, who did you think they were? Bill Clinton? And he's like, I thought they were flight attendants. Do flight attendants typically wear tank tops and jeans? They don't all wear uniforms on private planes.

Co-host (38:41)

Huh. Okay.

Podcast Host (38:43)

I don't know if that's true. Right? You tell me if you've ever been on a private plane. Do the flight attendants wear uniforms? I don't know. But everyone's just kind of like, what? Even if they don't wear uniforms, they probably don't wear tank tops and jeans.

Co-host (38:57)

Yeah. This is such a dumb.

Podcast Host (38:58)

Then there's the Viral photo of 22 year old Shantae giving Clinton a neck massage at an airport. She was 22 at the time. And I do have to note that Shantae Davies has come out and said that Bill Clinton has been nothing but a gentleman in her experiences with him. She's been very outspoken of the abuse that Epstein had done to her along with Maxwell. But she never said that Bill Clinton was part of any of it. But he has asked. My next question for you is, have you ever had any contact with an individual by the name of Shantae Davis Davies? I believe Shantae, that's a distinct name. I think that was the name of one of his flight attendants. So, I mean, at this point it's safe to assume that he knows who she is because I mean, the picture went out. I'm sure he's prepped with his attorneys. He knows. He's further asked, she's been described as being on a 2002 Africa trip and providing massages. Was she or any other young females on that trip. Trip underage at the time? Not that I'm aware of. Did you ever receive a massage or have physical contact from her or anyone else on this trip? You've seen the pictures. There was me that one time when I was sitting up and I got a back rub. My neck was okay and I think Shantae did it, but I'm not sure. But I didn't think it was anything unusual. I can't tell you how many airplanes I've been on where rich people have asked me to go and they had someone offering massages. All these boats that you go on and all that, they do all that. And usually I don't do that. I'm not into that. Into what? We don't know.

Co-host (40:26)

What is he saying?

Podcast Host (40:27)

Yeah, we know. And the attorney is like, stop, stop, just stop. He later states that on this specific trip his neck had, quote, had spasmed and I was in pain. So they offered to help and I let them help. Do you think a young girl massaging a president is unusual? And his lawyer steps in. Are you asking his opinion? There's a little riff. And then his other counsel steps in. Objection. Calls for speculation. I figured. Did you ever think that all these women around Jeffrey Epstein or Ghislaine Maximilian was odd, unusual, weird or creepy? There weren't all that many around when I was there. How many would you say is not all that many? I think on this big plane that was, you know, we're working long hours. Having two to four people on there, I thought was, as far as I knew, they were all helping flight attendants and tank tops and jeans, right? No. And this questioning is done by a Republican representative, Nancy Mace. And we have this people who have not watched the full deposition. There's like a clip going viral where he says, but you got like a great tone to it. And Bill Clinton puts his hands in the air and everyone's like, oh my God, Bill Clinton is still flirting with young woman. Look at him flirting with Representative Mace. And it's been clipped. And everyone's like, you can't tell me that he wasn't putting it on thick on her when you. And I was expecting flirting. They're going at it, which makes sense. Nancy Mace was super confrontational with Hillary Clinton and she's just been like a very controversial conservative figure. Just all in all in her entire political career. Very. A lot of people have a lot of thoughts about her good or really bad or however you want us to take it. Right. But Bill Clinton is. I don't think he's flirting with her.

Co-host (42:11)

Okay. So that TikTok was out of context.

Podcast Host (42:13)

Yeah. She is out of contrast, like going for his neck in a way that is more extreme than everyone else. I think everyone is trying to at least be respectful. This is at the end of the day a former president and this is a deposition that they called him to there. I mean the Republicans are obviously going to have more opinion based questions or just questions that they're getting in there to get on the record to say to his face. And some Democrats, honestly a lot of Democrats were upset with some of them because they were just going way too easy to which a lot of Democrats are like, we don't care that he's a Democrat. Okay. Just like we don't care what any of these predators not saying Bill Clinton is a predator, just any predator. We don't care about their political affiliation. You need to go harder. There were some Democrats that were like, we know, we know. Thank you for being here. We know Trump is just using you. And it's just like, I voted for you, you know? And it's like, no one cares even if you voted for whoever, if they turn out to not be good. What. So I digress, But Nancy Mace is going for it. Like, she's very aggressive, very intense, and I don't think that he was flirting with her because she keeps insinuating that he knew what was going on. And so that's why she's saying, I never said. I never said that you knew, or something along those lines. And that's why he says, no, but your phone, your tone had a great tone to it. Like, very. Like. But you knew what you're saying, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But a lot of people are saying, like, I like your voice, but that's not what was happening.

Co-host (43:38)

Yeah, that is crazy.

Podcast Host (43:39)

That was not what was happening at all. It's actually one of the most aggressive parts of the deposition. So. Yeah, Unless maybe he just likes someone who's, like, going for his neck and his wife's neck. Maybe he's into that. So I. What can I say? That's an opinion. I'm not in Bill Clinton's mind. There was another report that came out in my little research about Nancy Mace. Apparently, there was this Reddit poll. There was a Reddit poll going around where people, citizens, Redditors, netizens would be voting on who the hottest representative is. And there was an expose or alleged staffers of Nancy Mace came out and said she made us make burner accounts and vote for her. I'm sorry, I could not live with this information by myself. I don't know if this is true. This is the allegation made, but.

Co-host (44:28)

Wow, Okay, I see.

Podcast Host (44:30)

Yeah, okay.

Co-host (44:31)

Yeah, I can see that.

Podcast Host (44:32)

And then they also alleged that she would make them clean her Airbnb's because she didn't want to clean the housekeepers to do it, so she would have staffers do it. And one of them said something along the lines of, quote, she's. She's messed up. The motherboard is fried up here. Nothing going on up here. So. But in a separate line of questioning, Bill Clinton does state that he wishes Shantae could have told him what was going on with Epstein because he really liked her, thought she was a good person. So, yeah. Then there's Maria Farmer now Maria Farmer is really important to this, but there's a little bit it's like, not said, but it's said, which is the fact that Maria Farmer has previously reached out to an FBI agent and stated that Epstein had stolen unclothed photos of her sisters who were 12 and 16 years old. This is back in, like, the 1990s. There is an active FBI report that was then of. Of Csam against Jeffrey Epstein. She also reported to the FBI agents that Epstein told her to go take photos of young girls at swimming pools, and if she did not comply, he would burn her family house down.

Co-host (45:40)

Whoa.

Podcast Host (45:41)

So Maria Farmer, she goes to the feds with this. And Bill Clinton is in office after. So there's this kind of unsaid but said, like, how are you the most important person in the nation, not informed that there's at least some sort of investigation? So this is in the 90s. He was president from 93 to 2001. So there's this, like, not said, but said of. Are we really to believe, yes, you hung out with him before 2008, before we could Google his name. So you don't have the same problem that a lot of these other people in the emails have, which is like, how did you not Google this guy? But there was a report to the FBI and you're not informed of it. He's allowed into the White House 17 different times. You know, you still connect with him afterwards. Like, really nothing. We don't know anything. And CCM is. That's. That's not even like a, ooh, white collar crime. Because that's like, everybody associates with people with white collar crimes these days. But side note, Maria Farmer has also claimed that she saw Trump visiting Epstein's offices in 1995, and that Trump allegedly came into the office, hovered over her, stared at her bare legs, and that Epstein walked in and said, no, no, she's not here for you. And as the two men walked out, she alleges that she could hear Trump commenting that he thought she was 16 years old. So the connotation being there that he was okay with that. The White House has to. Nobody's surprised. Denied such an account of events. And obviously none of us were there with Maria. We do not know the truth, though, you know, I'm sure everyone has personal opinions on what they think the truth is, and we are entitled to our personal opinions. But she claimed that while she was being abused by Epste, she saw Bill Clinton come to his house on three to four different occasions.

Co-host (47:33)

That's it. That's all she said, yeah.

Podcast Host (47:35)

So there's, there's just. There's a lot going on. That would mean that Clinton had gone to Epstein's house. If Maria Farmer's account is valid while he was the sitting president and that changes everything again, that would be really bad. Bill Clinton is adamant he only met Epstein when he was coming out of office, starting his foundation, and Larry Summers introduced him them. So he's asked, you know, Maria Farmer was employed by Jeffrey Epstein and abused by him for a number of years. And she first reported her abuse to the NYPD and FBI in 1996. She states that she has personal knowledge that you visited Jeffrey Epstein's house three to four times while you were the sitting president between 1995 and 1996. So let me ask you, Mr. President, did you visit Jeffrey Epstein's house while you were president? I do not remember doing that. I do not believe I did. How do you explain this discrepancy? His lawyer steps in. Objection. Calls for him to speculate. I can't speculate, but all I can tell you is I don't remember being there. During your presidency, were you ever made aware of the information that Maria Farmer provided to the FBI in 1996? No. During the deposition Virginia Duffrey has brought up, she has stated numerous times in sworn statements that she recalls Bill Clinton being on the island. And her diary reads, quote, bill Clinton met two times times island with two girls, CTGM and J. E. Whoa. So CT I don't know. GM could be Ghislaine Maxwell and JE could be Jeffrey Epstein. Right. What is your reaction to that? It's not true. Bill Clinton starts getting a little combative, you know. Did she say that in her book? This is from her personal diary that her family shared with us, but the book came out more recently. Did she say that in the book? I can't. I'm just reading you the entry from her diary that her family shared with me. I think she ultimately reached a different conclusion, although I had no contact with her. And a lot of people had side eye to that. Like why is he so adamant of if she said that in the book? It's almost like he made sure there was nothing in the book about him. And then he says, I think she ultimately reached a different conclusion although I had no contact with her.

Co-host (49:41)

Oh yeah, that's weird. And then so she said she finally made a conclusion of, oh, maybe Bill Clinton wasn't there. But I didn't tell her to write that, basically.

Podcast Host (49:51)

And Virginia Duffre is now deceased in a self exit so there are just, like, lots of feelings that people had about this question. Well, I just want to make sure that it's on the record. That's what the representative is saying. So it's just. It's odd. Now, remember how Virginia Giuffre alleged that Bill Clinton told Vanity Fair not to write articles about his good friend Jeffrey Epstein? He's asked if that happened. Like we. We covered this back in the recent Epstein that I did a few months back. So she was saying that she was scared, you know, Bill Clinton was going into a Vanity Fair saying, like, you're not going to cover my friend. And he's asked if that happened, and he responds, no, no, not, no. Hell, no. Not like a close no. But according to emails, Ghislaine Maxwell and a Clinton aide talked about talking points on how to respond to a Vanity Fair reporter who was writing a profile in Epstein. So that doesn't mean that. That Bill Clinton did or did not, but there it was a topic of conversation. So either Bill Clinton really was not involved, but people on his side were preparing a statement to give to Vanity Fair because they always ask for comment, or they. They were involved. It's unclear. But he's saying in the deposition, under oath, that he did not. Did you know one of the witnesses who testified in the Epstein cases that Epstein said, you, Bill Clinton, you quote, like them young. Why would Epstein say that about you? His lawyer steps in. Are you asking him a question? Are you asking his opinion? You want him to try and be in Mr. Epstein's mind and guess at what Mr. Epstein would have thought about? Bill Clinton says, first of all, that's not true. What's not true? That I have any interest in underage? I didn't say underage. I said young. But it's still not true. Is an intern young? So here comes Monica Lewinsky.

Co-host (51:36)

Whoa.

Podcast Host (51:38)

Yes. Okay. Did you know Jeffrey Epstein instructed a witness to deny you were ever on his island? He didn't have to, since I was never there. During Ghislaine Maxwell's previous interview with the DOJ last year, Ghislaine Maxwell states that she had a very central role in the Clinton Global Initiative. And it doesn't seem like she's just making this up out of her butt. Okay. It's been revealed that in the files, Ghislaine was even taking part in budget discussions, with which side note, so many depositions happening in the month of February and March. February 9, 2026, Ghislaine Maxwell is deposed. Another deposition. House Oversight and Government Reform Committee they depose her closed door deposition. The video goes live. Okay. The video goes up years. Like what? It's a closed door deposition. What do you mean? Okay. So the main questions the committee wanted to ask were. Ghislaine Maxwell previously claimed that there were four named co conspirators. Who were the four named co conspirators? 25 men who are not indicted. Who are they? Why were they never charged? Her documented social relationship with Trump and Epstein, including whether access to underage girls was ever facilitated. They wanted to ask whether discussions occurred about a pardon or sentence reduction after Trump publicly stated that he would look at a pardon. What client lists exist documenting Epstein's associates and whether Epstein shared information with or acted on behalf of foreign government intelligence services. That was the plan. That's the questions that they're going in, trying to ask. Ghislaine Maxwell. We have a video of this. Is sitting there with big old goofy glasses on her head. Okay. She looks crazy and she just responds to everything. I would like to answer your question. Then do it. But she doesn't. But on the advice of counsel, I respectfully decline to answer this question and any related questions. My habeas petition is pending in the Southern District of New York. I therefore invoke my right to silence under the Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution. She wouldn't even respond if she was a close friend of Epstein's, which she previously denied. But you know, and she's asked. Ms. Maxwell, is it your intention to answer every question put to you by the committee today with the assertion of your Fifth Amendment right against self incrimination? I invoke my Fifth Amendment right to silence. That video of the deposition has since been released because she literally said nothing. And the American people should probably see her evade all these questions. And all of that appears. This whole thing is like a bid for a presidential pardon. Even before the questions start, Maxwell's attorney states outright, Ms. Maxwell is prepared to speak fully and honestly if granted clemency by President Trump. Only she can provide a complete account. And some may not like what they hear. But the truth matters. For example, both President Trump and President Clinton are innocent of any wrongdoing. Ms. Maxwell alone can explain why. And the public is entitled to hear that explanation. Thank you. Which a lot of people are upset by. A Representative Jamie Raskin for Maryland has since been very public about this, criticizing the doj, stating, I think that the DOJ has been in cover up mode for many months and has been trying to sweep the entire thing under the rug. There's no way you run a billion dollar international child sex trafficking ring with just two people committing crimes. Interestingly though, the video of the deposition has elicited a very different kind of response. Of course, outraged that she's not answering any of the questions, but also conspiracies that this is not Ghislaine Maxwell, that she's been replaced. Comments are reading clearly. Not Ghislaine Maxwell. Wow. Corruption is so smart. Is that her? That looks like somebody else. Completely different.

Co-host (55:15)

What's the problem? She looks different.

Podcast Host (55:16)

Yeah. Oh, it could be the wonky glasses, it could be the video. It looks like a webcam. It could be that she's not Ghillene Maxwell. I don't know. Okay, but it does sound like her, but I don't know. Some are saying she doesn't sound like her either. The imposter should be found and prosecuted. If this is a phony, this is a trial. Like people are people. There's a lot of thoughts in the comments, but according to the Clintons, the main reason that the Clintons continued to associate with Ghislaine was mainly because Ghislaine Maxwell was involved with two key people that were part of the Clintons lives. Doug Band. This was at the time, Bill Clinton's top aide, as evidenced by emails that Doug Band had with Ghislaine Maxwell. There was something going on. I don't know what it was, but it was something. She writes to him. Boo Boo, are you around? I am very ill and require immediate medical attention. I am suffering from Boo Boo Titus. Yeah. No, I hate her. A very serious condition. Without a Boo Boo fix, the symptoms become pronounced. Feeling is mutual. Dougban responds, My Boo bootitis is also reaching epic proportions. Lots going on, but will be in Boo Booville the second you arrive. Then another one sent by Ghislaine Maxwell cries into the night. That sound like Shakespeare sonnets. That sound like the. This. Oh, Douglas. O Douglas, wherefore art thou, Douglas? Doug Pan states that he never had any physical relationship with Ghislaine Maxwell and that she is a monster. That's not what you said when you went to Boo Boo ville, though. But he says there was absolutely no physical relationship that occurred between us ever. So I don't know, maybe it's just flirting over emails, but he is being called to testify before the House Oversight Committee, so we shall see. They were close enough that Ghislaine, according to the emails, tried to arrange and did purchase doug band a $35,000 AP watch for his birthday with Epstein. And she was asking Epstein like, who should I say it's from, me or you? And he said, from us.

Co-host (57:21)

Wow.

Podcast Host (57:22)

Yeah. And I will say, side note, Doug Band had quite the bitter, contentious parting with the Clintons. That's like kind of for another time, but not really. So Doug Band was saying that Bill Clinton was driven, not nuts, by Obama and that Hillary was bitter that she was not the president, and that the Clintons, consciously or unconsciously, may not have wanted Hillary to win, which are very wild things to say. The Clintons and even Obama had refuted much of that sentiment. Hillary allegedly felt like Doug Band was enabling Bill Clinton's behavior. To which Doug Band is like, the idea that anyone can control a person, especially a former President of the United States, is completely ridiculous. But later, another friend of the Clintons said the problem was Doug Band's ego. Quote, you had to kiss Doug Band's ass to get anywhere. I mean, it was like Doug Band began to think that he was Bill Clinton. Also, apparently, Doug Band and Chelsea Clinton, the Clinton's daughter, had a long standing rivalry with sources saying that Chelsea was upset because Bill Clinton saw Doug Band as his son. And later, in a scathing internal email, Doug Band wrote that Chelsea is acting like a, quote, spoiled brat kid who has nothing else to do but create issues to justify what she's doing because she, as she has said, hasn't found her way and has a lack of focus in her life. Bill Clinton says after Doug Band, Ghislaine Maxwell was in a relationship with Ted Waite, who is a billionaire that had co founded Gateway. And the Clintons are very close with Ted Wade. He's a huge, huge donor of the Clinton Foundation. Clinton says, I mean, that's the only reason that Ghislaine Maxwell came to their daughter's wedding. Chelsea Clinton's wedding was because Ted Waite was invited and Ghislaine Maxwell was his plus one, which, I mean, it does kind of. That makes sense a little bit, but still, I don't know if you are a former president. I'm sure you vet that list that you guest list up and down for anything. You have a dui. That's heinous, by the way. You're out. You've. You have petty theft, you're out like anything. No, this is, you know, way later. But Ghislaine, in her interview last year, said that she probably saw Bill Clinton probably around 2016. They had a dinner together. Yeah. And he confirms that it's been about a decade. And just like what Ghislaine Maxwell said about Prince Andrew Former Prince Andrew. She is insistent that Bill Clinton was her friend and not Epstein's friend. But Bill Clinton is like, none of us were friends. I don't know what anybody's talking about.

Co-host (59:44)

Oh, man.

Podcast Host (59:45)

But here's also another thing that's interesting. I just noticed, and this could be me reading way too much into it, but Bill Clinton, when he talks about Epstein, there's like, there's a lot of condemning happening. But when he talks about Maxwell, it's almost passive. Condemning, condemning. It's just something that I noticed, and it's a feeling that I have. He'll say things like, you know, we did not know when Epstein was arrested that she was still involved with him. I think that clears a lot of that up. I'm sorry for what she did and what she has allowed her life to become. And now she's living with it. It's not a strong condemning of like, yeah, her can't believe she did that. She deserves to rot in hell.

Co-host (60:27)

Exactly. Disgusting.

Podcast Host (60:29)

Yeah.

Co-host (60:29)

You know, devil.

Podcast Host (60:31)

Which is weird. Then they bring up the birthday note, okay? They bring up Bill Clinton's birthday note for Epstein, for Epstein's 50th birthday. Why are we wishing traffickers a happy birthday? Okay. Traffickers should not even get another birthday. But Bill Clinton is asked, why did you write this letter? Why did I? Because I was requested to contribute a nice letter for his birthday book. They have him read a bit of the letter out loud, and he says, it's reassuring, isn't it, to have let so long across all the years of learning and knowing adventures and errors, and still to have your childlike curiosity, the drive to make a difference, and the solace of friends. He leans back, crosses his arms and smiles. Not a bad letter. The birthday note shows, you know, states knowing, adventures and errors. He's asked for the record, you know, you weren't referring to errors in judgment that Mr. Epstein had related to his inappropriate activities involving young. Absolutely not. I knew nothing about. About that. So he's just saying that it's just a shitty coincidence of word usage. There's a few more notes that Bill Clinton allegedly wrote to Epstein that he's asked about, which I will say, like, this is why it's so frustrating. Certain questions have a lot of high value. Like this birthday note probably has a little bit more high value of, like, those are words that the American citizens were like, now, why would you write that? Why would you write that? So that's a good question. But then they start bringing up some dumb notes, which I'm like, Now you're making this whole thing seem dumb. Okay, which. Which apparently Bill Clinton wrote a get well soon note to Epstein's mom on a post it. Not even like a fancy papyrus card that you have to pay $6 for a post it. Epstein saved the post it. Bill Clinton is ass. And he says, I mean, it looks like my handwriting, but I don't recall. But I will tell you this. I have written lots of get well notes to lots of people I did not know and have never read. And you're like, yeah, I mean, as the former president, I'm sure you're writing a bunch of bullshit to people that you don't necessarily care about about. One of the notes that Bill Clinton also wrote to Epstein he kept on his plane. And it reads along the lines of like, thanks for inviting me and letting me invade your private space. I'm exhausted and glad to get away from the crowd. And we will forge ahead. I'll finally figure out the financial stuff, which all of it does seem on par with what Bill Clinton has been saying of like, oh, we were just going around for philanthropic efforts. So it's like, when they bring these up now, it seems like, okay, what's happening? But you can tell where there are just certain topics where Bill Clinton and his lawyers, they don't seem to like to talk about it. And those notes are not one of those topics. However, the painting of Bill Clinton wearing what could be presumed as Monica Lewinsky's dress and sitting on the chair with his legs draped over. They give him a picture of that. So, Mr. President, we are looking at an image of you, a portrait that looks to be of you, Mr. President, in this blue dress. Can you describe this painting? His lawyer interjects, he doesn't need to describe the painting. You just gave him a picture. What's your question? Do you understand why someone would paint this? Objection. This calls for speculation. You can ask the artist, but Bill Clinton responds, if I had known Jeffrey Epstein had this painting, it would have saved me this whole day saying, if he knew Epstein had this painting, he would have never associated with Epstein and then he wouldn't be deposed. Right now, there are no emails suggesting that Bill Clinton ever visited the island, though we have late Virginia Duffrey's allegation that he was on the island. The Secret Service has indicated that they had not been to the island. And Bill Clinton does state that he has never signed off on Secret Service. So. Meaning that you would have to, like, sign off of, like, I don't want Secret Service protecting me right Now. So that would be the only time that he would potentially go to the island without Secret Service. And he has no record of signing off on Secret Service.

Co-host (64:11)

I see.

Podcast Host (64:12)

But he does admit that he did make a brief visit to Epstein's Manhattan townhouse, but he does not recall if Epstein was even there at the time. Time. Which is kind of crazy how you don't recall that. Like, are you just visiting people's empty homes without the homeowner there? It's kind of odd, like, you would know that. I think he was trying to phrase it as, like, oh, I was walking with my friend, and they were like, oh, you know, Epstein, he lives right down there and he's so proud of his house, which is this elementary school that's been converted. So we should go. We should just stop by and say hi, because he's a donor. He would love that. Blah, blah, blah. They walk in, he's making it seem like we don't. We were asking, like, is Mr. Epstein home?

Co-host (64:47)

That's crazy.

Podcast Host (64:48)

Yeah. Yeah. But he doesn't remember. Okay. But again, Maria Farmer was like, pretty sure I saw him in the house when he was a sitting president. So I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I was in the house. I don't know anything. But remember, Epstein, he loved in his Manhattan townhouse, apparently to display pictures of young girls. Young nude girls. Yes. Bill Clinton says you never saw anything like that. He says that he also never saw any staff members that were young girls inside the house.

Co-host (65:14)

Bro.

Podcast Host (65:19)

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Are you asking him to speculate on how Ms. Epstein died? I'm asking what the President thinks of. So you're asking his opinion? Mr. President, was your friend Jeffrey Epstein having thoughts of self exit? Are you classifying him as a friend who he has testified that he was friendly with? So previously Bill Clinton was like. I wouldn't say we were friends, I would say we were friendly basically. And so the attorney is like she's sharp, okay? She, she's doing her job well, but it is kind of crazy. Mr. President, do you believe that Jeffrey Epstein was was inclined to self exit? I don't know. I only know what the medical finding was. I think maybe he finally got caught in. I don't know. I've accepted it in my mind. I don't know what happened. Mr. President, what did you accept? That he self exited or that he did not that he did, but I don't know. None of us know. We weren't there. Then Mark Middleton is brought in up the House committee states in the deposition and asks Bill Clinton. Mark Middleton was found dead at Hefner ranch, approximately 30 miles from his home in Little Rock. He was discovered hanging from a tree by an extension cord around his neck with a self inflicted gunshot wound to his chest. So he was shot and on a rope. Do you have any information that leads you to suspect that he was. That he did not that he did something other than self explanatory exit? No. Do you have any concerns that this was in relation to his knowledge or relationship with Jeffrey Epstein given the date? I'm asking when you heard about this death, knowing about the things that have at this point it's all over the news. Seeing that he is self exited. Have you ever had any conversations with people about whether or not there's any relationship between the two? Oh no, no, no one's ever suggested it to me. It's really sad. And this deposition has mixed feelings. A lot of people are again understandably so. So it's become very political. It's kind of gotten annoying. I will say where political in the sense of there are some people who are like well it's not Bill Clinton because Trump is deflecting or it's oh look, Trump is finally going after these people because he's innocent. And it's like let's just maybe not make it about politics and absolve people of guilt just based on their political alliance, because that's just not how it works. So I will say those types of sentiments have gotten annoying. But some people think that this, quote, this was such a waste of time and a joke because he was never going to answer anything honestly. Others are commenting, if there was any substance to Clinton's involvement, you know damn well Trump would have thrown him under the bus and made it back up to anything to keep the lights off of his ass. Others are saying this is obviously political persecution by someone who himself is mentioned in the files a million times. Other people are saying he's a piece of shit when it comes to women and an absolute womanizer, but that doesn't inherently mean that he's intimidating kids. Very possible to be one type and not the other. I don't think that this is as cut and dry with him as it is with someone like Trump. To which someone else comments, who fucking cares? Put them both in jail. Some netizens are actually frustrated with the questions being asked. Quote, these people are amateurs. At best, a rock could have formed better questions. Another, quote, corruption. These questions were carefully fabricated, mostly opinions and speculations. Seems like both sides are in bed with each other. If he goes down, so does everybody else. Else who's included in that list. Another one reads, you'd think someone in this room would be capable of reading a clear and complete sentence out loud. Absolute incompetence. But here's the part that I can't get over. It's like everybody has their political alliance and they're gonna feel one type of way and it's, we could go all day, like Hillary Clinton said, until the cows come home. Going back and forth of, well, maybe he's bad, but your guy is badder. Or like, maybe they're both bad, but your guy first. Like, there's, we could do this all day and nothing will ever happen. However, this is the most enlightening part to me and to a lot of people. A Democratic representative takes over questioning and they open with, it is well understood that you had a personal relationship with Mr. Epstein, and we will talk about that today. And they go on to state, it appears that you and other Democratic figures have been targeted by President Donald Trump in an attempt to distract the American people from his own long standing relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. And if that were true, it would not be the first time that President Trump has targeted his political enemies under the guise of law enforcement, which some people loved, some people hated. Obviously you know why Republicans would hate that type of conversation. But some Democrats were really opposed to sentiments like this, saying, yes, the urgency is far greater and higher when there are questions about trafficking for the sitting President of the United States. But they're saying, like, we don't think Bill Clinton is like off the hook either. So, like, we don't have to put him up on a pedestal. Like, he's definitely done nothing wrong just to push, you know, they're saying it's like. However, I will say most Democrats are really happy that the Clintons were deposed and that they testified and they did not look for loopholes. I'm sure they did, but they didn't find a successful loophole to not be deposed because they have now set the Clinton rule that even presidents can be deposed if subpoenaed.

Co-host (74:01)

I see.

Podcast Host (74:01)

So who's next? You know, obviously everybody wants it to be Trump. This is the startling part. Bill Clinton is interestingly asked. So to get more information for this investigation, was wondering if you also agree that President Trump should answer questions of this committee. That's for you to decide. But he didn't know him well. You know, and I once had a brief discussion.

Co-host (74:23)

You didn't know him well? Well, Trump didn't know Epstein well.

Podcast Host (74:26)

And I said by Bill. By Bill Clinton. Yeah, and I once had a brief discussion with him about it. I hate this because I don't believe, you know, I should inject anything, but I do not want to leave the impression. But since there was no follow up question, the president never, this is 20 something years ago, never said anything to me to make me think he was involved in anything improper with regard to episode Epstein either, you know, he just didn't, he just said we were friends and then we had a falling out over a land deal, a property deal. That's it. Could I ask very briefly, Mr. President, if you recall, what were the circumstances of that conversation? Or at least let's start with when did that conversation occur? He says that Trump told him this on a golf course decades ago, saying something along the lines of like, you know, Epstein and I had great times over the years, but we fell out all because of a real estate deal. He says he doesn't recall who brought it up in the conversation first on the golf course, if it was him or Trump. He can't imagine it was him because he, you know, would never do something like that. Do you recall whether President Trump elaborated at all on the great times that he had with Jeffrey Epstein? No, no. And I took, you know, at the time I took, I didn't put any sexual stint to it. He later reiterates once more, as I said earlier, the only conversation I had with President Trump about this was in the early 2000s, and I have no information that he did anything, anything wrong. I just want it all out there. I want everybody to, you know, get it all out there and let everybody see where we are. Which a lot of people feel like this is straight out of a mutual destruction playbook. The way that Bill Clinton talks about Glenn Maxwell and Trump. The way that Glenn Maxwell talks about Bill Clinton and Trump, everybody is like they're playing games right in front of our faces. Yeah, that's the feeling. Feeling. A lot of people think it's because both men are guilty, but only one of them is in office right now. That's why maybe Clinton is being nicer to Trump than Trump is being nice to Clinton about the files. But it seems like both of them, neither Clinton nor Trump, have had any scathing words for Ghislaine Maxwell, even though both of them have a hatred for trafficking and traffickers. Right. And also, why is Bill Clinton going out of his way to tell everybody that Trump is in innocent? The same Trump that made Hillary Clinton's life so unbearable for so long, too? Like, this is not like, oh, we're mutuals. Oh, we're part of the same party. It's so bizarre.

Co-host (76:50)

Yeah.

Podcast Host (76:51)

Depending on who you ask, public opinion will be, oh, because Bill Clinton's guilty or because they both are. Or with that being said, there's a lot on Trump. In July and August of 2025, the FBI internally circulated Epstein related allegations that mentioned Trump. There are a lot of crazy, salacious allegations, by the way. And I think that this is where the conspiracies of their eating babies stems from because of this internal document. Now, this internal document, people have been kind of recklessly. And this is not in defense of the administration. Okay. This is. People are presenting this as these are valid FBI internal documents of crimes that have been committed. That's not what this is. So they, the FBI decided that they were going to compile a document of anybody who's even called in to give an allegation regarding Epstein and Trump. So they compiled this entire document. And on one side, they list what the phone call detailed or the tip detailed or the allegation detailed. And then in the middle, they detailed whether they were able to contact the person again to further interview them, whether they found corroborating evidence or whether they found no evidence or proof that this was a lie. And then, oddly, the third little box they have on the Right side was any criminal history that this person has. The one giving the allegation, Was this leaked? It was in the Epstein files dump.

Co-host (78:18)

Wow. Okay.

Podcast Host (78:19)

It is important to note that most media outlets have reported, even, you know, places like the New York Times have reported that it seems that the FBI was not able to verify most of the allegations and that they deemed it to be unverifiable or not credible. But I'm just going to tell you what it is. There could be some things in here that are true. There could be nothing in here that's true. All of it could be true. But just because it's in an internal document does not mean that we can believe everything. So one complaint summary on the internal note reads, caller named other individual named in a big orgy party with her other young girls and older Vs models, Victoria's Secret models, including Bill Clinton and Donald Trump. So now this is saying that they were all in some sort of big orgy party which, you know, a lot of people have gone down with more memes of big beautiful Bill.

Co-host (79:11)

Oh, oh, right.

Podcast Host (79:12)

Complainant reported participating in orgies and that some girls went missing, rumored to have been murdered and buried at a golf course. Complainant reported being threatened by Trump's then head of security that if she ever talked about what she said saw or what happened, she would quote, end up as fertilizer for the back nine holes like the other cunts. She claims that she saw cartels involved in the parties and that she watched Robin Leach, who I believe is a reporter, strangle a young girl to death at a party. The FBI note deems her claims to not be credible. Complainant was spoken to and deemed not credible. Additional research showed three separate incidents involving police which requested in mandatory psychiatric evaluations. That's the internal number note. I do believe that's where a lot of the baby sacrifices and consumption and conspiracies like they all start stemming from here. Then another one complainant reported Donald Trump participated regularly in paying money to force her to perform acts with him and alleged Trump was present when her uncle murdered her newborn child. Conclusion of the FBI was quote, no contact made. Another caller believes that the FBI has pictures of her as a baby with with Epstein, but the note that the agents made was no contact made. Previous tips indicated she had called in and said she had chemically induced amnesia and struggled with knowing what was a dream and what was reality. I mean, I do hope that the FBI did way more internally for gathering whether this is credible or not than just, oh, she has chemically induced amnesia. Because both things could be true, but we don't know. These are just internal notes. Another complainant tells the FBI. And this is. This is from the internal note. Again, not stated as fact. Donald Trump, the president had parties at Mar a Lago called Calendar Girls. Jeffrey Epstein would bring the children in and Trump would auction them off. He measured the children's private parts by entering digits and rated private parts. The guests were elder men and included Elon Musk, Don Jr. Trump, Ivanka Trump and Eric Trump are all there. Attorney Alan Dershowitz was also there with attorney Bob Shapiro. We were taken in rooms forced to have. With Donald J. Trump forced to allow them to assault. I was 13 years old when Donald J. Trump R worded me. Ghislaine Maxwell was also present the FBI notes. No contact information provided. So this could just be like a call in tip and then hang up. Right? So this could be. This could be true. Right? It's. It's a wild, wild claim. Right. I'm not saying that any of these people are absolved of any guilt, and I don't think that they're guilty or anything, but this is a very insane claim. Okay. To have parties.

Co-host (81:43)

Wouldn't it be so easy for them to find their contact, though? Yeah, it's FBI, you know, but I

Podcast Host (81:48)

mean, the way that they're running it right now, I don't know if they're. Yeah, but no contact information was provided. So I. Maybe the FBI also deems. Maybe there's some sort of statistic. If you don't leave your contact information, it could be the same as prank calling. I don't know how they see it. I don't know how they rate it.

Co-host (82:07)

It's so interesting that you can just call them and leave a tip. And I imagine if you call police and say something really scary, the police would be like, oh, we gotta investigate, we gotta call them, we gotta figure it out. Right.

Podcast Host (82:22)

Yeah.

Co-host (82:22)

They don't just stop by. Oh, they didn't tell me their address.

Podcast Host (82:25)

Yeah.

Co-host (82:25)

They're gonna find out your name, your address, and they're gonna come to you

Podcast Host (82:29)

and then probably arrest you. Right.

Co-host (82:30)

But yeah, that's so interesting.

Podcast Host (82:33)

Yeah. The note further reads, no contact information provided. So they just move on. Okay. This is where it starts getting weird. I think up until this point, everyone. No one really believes any of the previous allegations. Or like, they. I mean, it would just be so crazy. And if it's true, I don't even know what the implications of something like that would be. Just on a global scale of like, what These are like conspiracy theories that we never thought were going to be true, and then they become true. I don't know how that would even impact anything. Like, it would be crazy. But these are ones that netizens are taking more seriously. Again, these are unverified allegations. Caller reported that in 1987, a friend, Victim 1, was out drinking and ended up at Trump Plaza. Victim 1 saw Donald Trump and wanted to meet him. A unknown man approached her and offered to introduce her to Trump. The unknown man gave victim one a drink, and victim one woke up naked and sore in bed with $300 on the bed. Victim one didn't remember how she got to the room. She remembered seeing a flash of Trump's face. Victim one called the caller and was like, I think that I've been r worded. Victim one did not go to the hospital to have an R word kit performed because she didn't think that anyone would believe her, especially because she was drunk. They later state that victim one had a husband whose business had problems with suppliers, and victim one believed Trump was behind it. Victim one also started dating a lawyer. Lawyer identif d is unknown, who was married. Victim 1 had a fight with her lawyer boyfriend and went to a bar. Victim 1 left a bar with a man who no one in the bar recognized but who seemed familiar with victim one. Victim one was never seen again. A few years later, remains were discovered that match the description of what victim one was wearing when she went missing. DNA tests at the time were inconclusive. The FBI notes no contact made. Victim identified as deceased and complainant do not have contact confirmed information. Okay, but worse than that. So this is released and it's bad because, I mean, we don't know how. The FBI, unconfirmed, like, said that these are uncredible accounts. How they were able to say that these are not real. Like, we don't know. It just says unconfirmed. It doesn't say anything specific. So we don't know if it's really unconfirmed, if they were able to follow through with the steps or they're just like, they didn't leave contact information. So automatically unconfected. Confirmed. They have a history of psychiatric evaluations. Automatically unconfirmed. Like, unverified. We don't know. So obviously this causes quite a bit of stir. And then of course, there's people going online saying, like, this is confirmed. This is what happened. They're eating babies. And then that's caused, like, a whole different situation of itself. However, this next part is the real problem. NPR publishes an article alleging that the DOJ has redacted 50 something pages. And a House Oversight Committee ranking member, Representative Robert Garcia states, yesterday I reviewed those pages. I reviewed unredacted evidence logs that the DOJ oversight Democrats can confirm that the DOJ appears to have illegally withheld FBI interviews with a survivor who accused President Trump of heinous crimes. The White House response to this NPR article was, in short, just as President Trump has said, he's been totally exonerated on anything related to Epstein. President Trump has done more for Epstein victims than anyone else before him. But the file is bad. So this is from July 8, 2019, before Epstein dies in prison like a month before. And it's an FBI file. It's an FBI internal document where they're interviewing someone. At 1:43pm Eastern Time. Blank. Redacted. Contacted the FBI National Threat Operations center to report an unidentified friend who may have been abused by Jeffrey Epstein in an unknown manner. Redacted states that she was recently informed by an unidentified female friend currently residing in Portland, Oregon that she was forced to perform oral sex on President Trump approximately 35 years ago in the state of New Jersey. Redacted Friends stated that she was approximately 13 to 14 years of age when this occurred. The friend allegedly bit President Trump while performing oral and described his, quote, heavy breathing. The friend was allegedly hit in the face after she laughed about biting him. The FBI bring in the protected individual and she has a sit down interview with them. And now again, just because the FBI interviews someone does not mean that their allegations are true. But what a lot of people feel is to have that interview. Seems like you kind of already feel or suspect or think. She states that Epstein blackmailed her mom as well. That Epstein had unclothed photos of her and blackmailed her mom and she had to her mom. So this is what the victim is saying. Like Epstein was crazy. He was blackmailing me. He blackmailed my mom. And my mom had to steal embezzle money from the real estate company that she works for.

Co-host (87:17)

This is the same person, the 13, 14 year old?

Podcast Host (87:20)

Yes. I mean, she's much older now, but yeah. And she had to pay him to not release these photos. Later in the interview, it's noted that she recalled at least one incident in which he either drove or flew her to New Jersey or New York and she was, quote, introduced to someone with money. Money. It was Donald Trump. She later states he had money. It reeked off of him. She alleges that she could tell from the get go that Trump did Not like her because she dressed like a tomb. She claims that Trump later asked everyone to leave the room and told her, allegedly, quote, let me teach you how little girls are supposed to be. Then she alleges that he unzipped his pants and pushed her head down and she, quote, bit the shit out of it. The report then reads, trump struck redacted victim and said words to the effect of get this little bitch the hell out of here. Redacted advice. She bit Trump because she was disgusted. The FBI report reads redacted Got the feeling the relationship between Epstein and Trump included a certain amount of jealousy. She thought Trump appeared jealous of Epstein, but at some point, they ended up on level playing fields. Trump and Epstein sometimes use the terms fresh meat, untainted and not jaded while referring to girls at the time she heard it. Redacted did not understand the term not jaded. She subsequently looked up the word jaded. Redacted states she had two additional interactions with Trump, but she asked for the interview to move on to a different subject for the time being.

Co-host (88:37)

What is unjaded?

Podcast Host (88:40)

Jaded is like, this is okay in this context. A lot of PDF files will say that they like young kids because they're so amused and not jaded by the world. And, you know, as people get older, as women get older, you realize that not a lot of men out there are good men and they can abuse you and maybe other, you know, vice versa, but it's just used in that very sick way.

Co-host (89:07)

I see.

Podcast Host (89:08)

Yeah. Later, she states that after she bit him, the note reads, quote, she provided further details that he pulled her hair and punched her on the side of the head. She also alleges, per the FBI report, that, quote, epstein liked having little rubber things put into his anus, that he had her do it, such as a pencil, a big eraser, little rubber things, a water bottle, all inserted down there into Epstein, and that instead of using lubricant, he preferred kitchen oil. Now, this interview is back from 2019, before the allegations and rumors that Epstein is part of Mossad, Israel's intelligence agency. Like, that was not a big thing back in the day in 2019. 2019. But she states to the FBI that she frequently heard Epstein speak in Hebrew around her. But just because you speak Hebrew does not mean that you work for the Mossad. But a lot of people have been focusing on that as like, he worked for the Mossad. Now the report continues. Epstein talked about blackmailing people in front of redacted. Redacted was confident Trump knew Epstein blackmailed People because she heard Epstein and Trump talking about it. Redacted. Stated she knew Trump had illegal building permits. She heard Trump talking about washing money through casinos. Number six is Donald Trump's favorite number. Redacted. Was not sure how she knew that, but she had heard it at one point. One part of the FBI interview note reads redacted. Asked the agents to keep her safe, stating, throughout my life, Epstein's people have found me, have kept tabs on me. Which Virginia Giuffre has also felt and expressed in her book before her passing. As of right now, these have not been proven to be credible allegations, which does not mean that they're not true. I would have no such information of that. However, one interesting thing to note again is that the FBI interviews this specific individual like three times, which feels as if they're taking it very, very seriously. Then according to npr, it doesn't really go anywhere because apparently someone in the FBI writes, one identified victim claimed abuse by Trump but ultimately refused to quit cooperate. So now the question with a lot of people is did the investigation go nowhere because the allegations are untrue or because this victim does not want to cooperate and that's why it led nowhere? Or it could be both. Right. It could be untrue and she doesn't want to cooperate because they're untrue. Right. We don't know. There is also a second accuser. And side note, I'm sure if you watch a lot of videos or you consume a lot of articles about the whole Epstein situation, accuser is technically how they're formally identified in a lot of report reports and even reporting. But I feel like that word always has a negative connotation, but it's just best for legal purposes. But a second accuser has six interviews with the FBI and she claims that when she was around 13 years old, Epstein took her to Mar a Lago to meet with Trump and that Epstein apparently told Trump. This is a good one, huh? She claims that both the men chuckled and she felt uncomfortable, but at the time she was too young to understand why. So there's a lot in the second accuser's interview that sounds very reminiscent of all the other accusers accounts of abuse, which has led netizens to believing in their personal opinions that this may be true. The weird part about this is that these are not included in the dump. These like 16 something pages come days, weeks later because of this NPR expose.

Co-host (92:27)

Oh, like a separate drop?

Podcast Host (92:29)

Yes. This was not in like the 3 million pages drop. So everyone's like, why did you not just drop it with the 3 million pages. In fact, if you dropped it with the 3 million pages, it probably would have taken a lot of people. Like, we would have to dig for it.

Co-host (92:40)

Right.

Podcast Host (92:40)

But then people found out that there was. Because they found out, like, through the way that the files were named and numbered. So there was like a big chunk missing. So they're like, what's the chunk?

Co-host (92:50)

Mm. Mm. So NPR exposed it.

Podcast Host (92:53)

Then the House committee representatives went into the unredacted file computer that they have access to, and they're like, I found the file files. These are what they say. And then the DOJ was like, fine, I'll release them.

Co-host (93:02)

How did NPR get it? Yeah, from inside source.

Podcast Host (93:06)

No, so they were going through, like, the metadata. Oh. So they're like, oh, something is like. We were. This is weird. Oh, I'm sure they have, like, probably AI and stuff to comb through massive amounts of metadata.

Co-host (93:19)

Interesting. Okay.

Podcast Host (93:21)

Yeah. Wow. Yeah. So the da, the doj, though, claims that the only reason that happened was the file was temporarily removed because it was flagged by a victim or their counsel for additional review, which a lot of people don't believe because they're releasing all sorts of crazy things. Caroline Levitt has stated these are completely baseless accusations backed by zero credible evidence from a sadly disturbed woman who has an extensive criminal history. The total baselessness of these accusations is also supported by the obvious fact that Joe Biden's Department of Justice knew about them for four years and did nothing with them because they knew President Trump did absolutely not nothing wrong. As we have said countless times, President Trump has been totally exonerated by the release of the Epstein files. But the House oversight Democrats state, let's be clear, this White House cover up is ongoing. Millions of pages still remain concealed from the public and our committee. So with that, that is what's going on right now with the Epstein files. Those are the major news headlines in depth. There's just so many more files and there's a lot of people that we already talked about about. New details are coming out. Like, remember the Goldman Sachs. She's the head of legal, chief legal officer or something for Goldman Sachs. She just recently resigned. Kathy, she also worked with the Obamas. Yeah, she was like getting exposed for getting an Hermes bag from Epstein. And like, there's just so much, like random small stuff as well. But let me know what are your thoughts? And we're going to try to give as many updates as possible as time and capacity permits. But lots of people are doing really good reporting on the Epstein files. So what are your thoughts? Let me know in the comments and stay safe. I will see you in the next one. A cancer diagnosis changes everything. If you or a loved one drank alcohol and was later diagnosed with cancer, you may be eligible for compensation. Go to cancerclaims.info Again, that's cancerclaims.info attorney advertising. Not sure if you have the experience to start your dream job. Good news these days it's the skills that count. Udemy can help you get those in demand. Skills? Want to be an AI mastermind? Learn with us Game Developer. We've got you covered. AWS Certified Cloud Practitioner. We can help you prep. You'll learn from real world experts who love what they do so that you can love what you do. Go to udemy.com for the skills to get you started and get set for your dream job.