C (7:56)

This guy is like literally outing himself.

A (7:58)

Yeah. And Megyn Kelly said the same thing. Yeah. What she was like, Epstein is sick and nasty, but he's not a pedophile. Because legally, I don't know why people are obsessed with the definition. Yeah. A minor is a minor. I'm so confused. Let's talk about vice presidents. Al Gore served as the vice president under Bill Clinton. Virginia states in her book that Epstein had hosted Al and his wife. Then wife, they're now divorced. I believe Tipper Gore over for dinner and that she was there. But if you go to her deposition from 2016, she's asked, Tell me about the circumstances of meeting Al Gore. And she says it's a little bit hazy at where that took place. I mean, we were going back a long time ago, but I do remember one thing about him. I believed he was a wonderful guy who loved his wife. And they spent the entire time like there was nothing else around them. It was just those two. It was a dinner table, a long dinner table with people around. They were just lovely. Just watching them as a couple. I remember thinking, you know, he's somebody, somebody that I would definitely vote for. He's just somebody that loves his wife that much. A lot of netizens comment. I sort of suspect Al Gore and his then wife Tipper Gore are the kinds of people who would get invited to the private island by a social climber like Epstein, but not the kind of people who moved in the same social circles as Epstein. Like, they don't strike me as the kind of people who would be friends with Epstein's, friends with another netizen writing Epstein was probably selective with who he showed, what sides of the island, if that makes sense. Because you do have to remember that Epstein was a social climber. But it is likely that a lot of high profile powerful men liked what Epstein was doing in his private life. But he could probably scope out which ones did and which ones didn't. And so a lot of people are saying, yeah, okay, maybe Al Gore was at the island, but we don't think that he was doing crazy stuff. And Virginia says that he was nothing but nice and loved his wife. However, in 2010, he is accused, Al Gore is accused of making unwanted advances to a masseuse at a Portland Hotel in 2006, which he was cleared of by the D.A. the D.A. said no. Al Gore has also passionately denied any of these allegations. But Netizens believe if true sounds straight out of Epstein's playbook. I don't know. Take it as you will, okay? Everybody's got a different opinion. Virginia also states in her deposition, they, Epstein and Ghislaine instructed me to go to George Mitchell. George Mitchell may or may not sound familiar. He is a former US Senator for the state of Maine. He was a former Senate Majority leader. He was a special envoy for then President Bill Clinton, and then later a special envoy for the Middle east peace for then President Barack Obama. He's also 92 freaking years old right now. So I don't blame you if you don't know this man. But he also wrote a heartfelt, meaningful message for Epstein and what is now dubbed the Birthday book. What it reads, in short, dear Jeffrey, the beginning of the new year is an appropriate time to count our blessings. Among mine is your friendship. It's been more than a decade since we met by chance at an airport in Washington. During that time, you've been a good friend. I'm grateful for that and for what I hope will be many more years of your friendship. Among your blessings has been the opportunity to lead a full, exciting and fantastically varied life. Now that you've reached a critical milestone, I hope you will intensify your activities in the widest possible range of issues, especially in the field of science, where you've already done so much with my congratulations and gratitude and best wishes, George Mitchell. George Mitchell states that he never victimized Virginia, stating the allegation contained in the release documents is false. I've never met, spoken with, or had contact with the alleged victim. A spokesperson later states during the time he knew Epstein, he had no knowledge of Epstein's actions involving underage girls, stating that once he did, he, quote, he never had any contact with Mr. Epstein. Again, Virginia states in the deposition that, quote, they instructed me to go to George Mitchell. Jean Luc Brunel, which, again, we've talked about him in previous episodes. He's a huge figure in the Epstein case. He's dead now, thank God. But please refer to those episodes. We're going to cover him briefly in the next part as well. But she states that she was sent to George Mitchell, John Luke Brunel, and Bill Richardson. Bill Richardson being the former governor of New Mexico and the former US Ambassador for the UN and Energy Secretary during the Clinton administration. One of Epstein's biggest properties, Zorro Ranch, was in New Mexico. Later on, on page 200 of the deposition, Ghislaine's attorney asks Virginia Ghislaine Maxwell told you to go give a massage to Bill Richardson, correct? Correct. When did Ghislaine Maxwell tell you to go give a massage to Bill Richardson? I don't know dates when Ghislaine Maxwell used the words go give a massage to Bill Richardson. Where were you? Virginia's like, I can't tell you where we were. I know that I was sent to. I don't know where we were when she told me to do that. Because again, it's like, I mean, she was going everywhere with them. Where, exactly where she was. She doesn't know. Where were you sent to? New Mexico. Bill Richardson spokesperson has stated these allegations and inferences are completely false. To be clear, in Governor Richardson's limited interactions with Mr. Abstein, he never saw him in the presence of y' all or underage girls. Governor Richardson has never met Mr. Frey. And that is not the only governor with ties to Epstein. It's actually far from the only. Governor. Thomas Pritzker is part of a very wealthy family. He's not a governor, but his cousin is the current Illinois governor, J.B. pritzker, who has been associated with Epstein. He vehemently denies the association. I do think that Governor J.B. pritzker's association with Epstein is. I couldn't find a lot on it. So he's like, I've never had contact with Epstein. As for my cousin Thomas, I barely talk to that guy. Thomas Pritzker is not the governor, but he is the executive chairman of Hyatt Hotels. Wow. Some people believe with no proof or evidence because we weren't in the room, we don't know anything. Some people believe that he is billionaire number two in Virginia's book, though there is no proof of that. She says about billionaire number two. Again, this is no proof that this is the chairman of Hyatt Hotels or Thomas Pritzker or anyone. But she writes in her book, Epstein made it clear that he wanted me to give this 50 year old stranger with thinning brown hair a massage. So when we arrived, I accompanied this man to his cottage. He does appear to have some thinning brown hair, but again, that is not proof. There's not even association, but just saying. She states that she tried her absolute best to put on her most professional sounding voice because she thought that he would get the message. Again, this is not about Thomas Pritzker. This is about billionaire number two. He did not. And at the end, he offered to pay her triple what Epstein was paying her if she came to work for him. She was terrified. She politely declined and then Told Epstein about it because, remember, Epstein has a picture of her brother. She, Virginia states in her deposition, they instructed me to go to George Mitchell, John Luke Brunel, Bill Richardson, the governor, another prince. I don't know a name. A guy that owns a hotel, a really large hotel chain. I can't remember which hotel it was. So that's where people are speculating that it's Thomas Pritzker and that he might be unnamed in the book because perhaps she found out how powerful this man is or maybe she doesn't know his name. Again, there's no proof that it's Thomas Pritzker. But in the recent email releases, Epstein does refer to him as, quote, like family, does not suggest any wrongdoing. They also had cordial emails sent back and forth. Again, that does not suggest any wrongdoing. But his name is tied to Epstein. Whether it is in a sinister way or not really depends. So netizens have been putting together all the clues online. And again, whether we're right or not is to be determined hopefully when the documents released. But Virginia describes in her book that she was, quote, lent out to a psychology professor whose research was Epstein was funding his research. The professor ends up on Epstein's island. She describes him as a quirky little man with a balding paint, like a pate pate, like a balding white hair, crazy mad scientist look. It seemed he wasn't used to being with women. Epstein instructs Virginia to keep him happy. Eventually the professor, he. I mean, they spend like all day doing water sports and all these other activities. And then finally he's like, hey, can I get one of those famous massages that Epstein has told me so much about? And she knows exactly what that means. She takes him to a cabana and gives him a, quote, rub down that ends in intercourse. And she says the psychologist was only the first of many academics from prestigious universities who I was forced to service sexually. The fallout in academia has been massive. Again, if you refer to our previous episodes, Epstein really liked to believe himself an intellectual. And he would use his corruptly gained funds to then fund these research projects and centers at prestigious universities. People said that Epstein was a collector of crimes, minors, but also of scientists. It gave him a kick to associate and be around these very objectively intelligent people. And he was heavily associated with Harvard University, MIT and Brown University, which led in a massive fallout of even the presidents of these universities having to resign or some of them. Okay. Larry Summers recently went viral because he was the former Harvard president. He's an economics professor, he goes, the emails get dumped. He's got emails. I'm going to go into this later, but he has a wife at the time. He's got emails with Epstein where he's like, I'm trying to judge up this girl that I'm trying to date and I need advice. And Epstein is giving him, you know, and. Yeah. Wow. So then he goes into his classroom the next day filled with Harvard students, and he's like, hey, so I'm here to teach. I'm not here to talk about the emails.

C (18:23)

Oh, after this has been exposed.

A (18:25)

Yeah. And then he. I believe he resigned. So. Wow. So Larry Summers is one, but this is not Larry Summers because this is a psychology professor. Netizens found Virginia's first original manuscript for her memoir. So that was the whole thing. She had another manuscript for a memoir, but she was misguided by a journalist who told her, if you fictionalize a lot of things, then you can't be sued because you could argue it's a work of fiction. So then she kind of fictionalized a few things in the manuscript. It was never published. But a lot of attorneys that are against victims, they've been using it as like, well, you lied in that. How do we know you didn't lie in everything else? God forbid anyone write a novel once in a while. Like, it doesn't make any sense. But in that manuscript, she does name him as Stephen. And so with that netizens put together that it may or may not, may or may not be Steven Pinker. She says Steven was a quirky little man with white hair and a mad scientist look about him. He is also. Steven Pinker is also a Harvard professor like Larry Summers. And he is someone who had previously rallied against Cancel Culture. And then he started blocking anyone who mentions Epstein in his mentions. So, okay, yeah, he has no associate. He says that he has no association with Epstein other than, quote, other than third parties who have invited us to some of the same events. He also states, that is not me. I've never set foot on Epstein's island nor any of his other residences. This is not to say that Giuffre's accusations are true, just that they are not about me. We don't know if Steven Pinker is associated with Epstein in any sort of sinister way. And there is no proof that he is the psychology professor described in Virginia's book. But that's just the discourse. You guys know how holiday potlucks or friendsgivings go. 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Virginia states in her 2016 deposition they instructed me to go to George Mitchell, John Luke Brunel, Bill Richardson, another prince, I don't know his name, a guy that owns a hotel, a really large hotel chain, I can't remember which hotel it was. And Marvin Minsky. There was just a whole bunch of them that I just. It's just hard for me to remember all of them. You know, I was told to do something by these people, constantly told to. My whole life revolved around just pleasing these men and keeping Ghislaine and Jeffrey happy and their whole entire lives revolved around sex. They call massages sex. They call modeling sex sex. Virginia has asked where did you go to have sex with Marvin Minsky? I believe it was the U.S. virgin Island. Jeff's Jeffrey Epstein's island in the U.S. virgin Islands, Epstein island, which Virginia's attorneys later check records and in 2002, while Virginia is being trafficked by Epstein, sure enough, Epstein and Minsky hosted a gathering with prominent figures in AI on the island. That's not to say definitively that that is evidence that she was trafficked to Minsky. But there is a connection there. Virginia states transparently this could have been when I was trafficked him for the first time. I'm not sure of the date. What I do know is that Minsky was in his 70s then, precisely 56 years older than me. We shared a birthday and I remember what happened? Wow. She alleges in her book that she was sent into one of the cabanas, and she will never forget Minsky's bald head and just trying to focus on the waves outside the sound of the waves, as she was forced to. Later in the book, she details how when she first went public with accusations against Marvin Minsky, a colleague of Minsky's at mit, Richard Stallman, sent out an email blast suggesting that Virginia was a willing participant in the cabana. According to Virginia, he wrote, quote, we can imagine many scenarios, but the most plausible scenario is that she presented herself to him as entirely willing. But according to npr, this is also the type of guy that writes, I am skeptical of the claim that voluntary pedophilia harms children. The argument that it causes harm seems to be based on cases which aren't voluntary, which are then stretched by parents who are horrified that their little baby is maturing. He later takes it back and says that he spoke with victims and he changed his mind about it, which I didn't know that you had to personally talk to victims to see why this take should put someone in prison. But okay, he had to resign after that. Yeah. But it was not just MIT under fire. Like I said, it was Brown University, it was Harvard University. And it's also the billionaire's dinner host, John Brockman. John Brockman owned one of the most powerful literary agencies in the world of academia. He is the one that's publishing all of these books from these scientists and these think tanks, and he would host this billionaires dinner annually at the annual TED Conference. TED Talk Conference in Monterey. Yeah, yeah. Virginia describes in her memoir that at one point, she flew from Epstein's property in Zorro Ranch to Northern California, near San Francisco, where Epstein had all these meetings. And they were in town for the Billionaires Dinner hosted by John Brockman, which also. The TED conference is there. And Virginia describes Brockman as being a fixer for Epstein. So he would connect Epstein to scientists who were doing research that Epstein was interested in funding. And again, a lot of people are like, okay, this is where a lot of conspiracies come in. Some people are saying, hey, he was a narcissist. He was this kid from Brooklyn who was obsessed with the ultra elite. He wanted to be the smartest guy in the room. So he surrounds himself with all of these scientists so that he could present himself as one of them. And then there are others that are like, or he's an Israeli spy that's also funding all of these major things. There's like a lot of conspiracies. It really depends on the rabbit hole that you want to go down. And I think also conspiracies are one of those things where it really depends on the day that you're reading them. Some days you feel a little more conspiratorial, some days you don't. So I guess that's up for everyone to decide which rabbit hole they want to go down. But Virginia states in her book, in due time, Epstein would force me to have sex with at least two other people in Brockman's circle. This does not implicate John Brockman directly. He might truly have no idea what Epstein was doing. But he's also connected to Marvin Minsky, Steven Pinker. I mean, they are all academics, so that could be why. But there could be something else. I will say it's very interesting that he's been pretty quiet. He has not really said much. But again, this is not to say that he is definitively connected to any wrongdoing at all. I'm just saying it's a name that comes up. But one of the most terrifying people listed in Virginia's book is a former prime minister of a nation. In Virginia's deposition, she is asked, if you're confused by a question, you need to let me know so I can clarify the question. Okay? Okay. For example, if I asked you the question, were you sexually trafficked to a foreign president, do you understand what that question means? Yes. What does it mean? Was I lent out for the purposes of sex to a foreign person? President? All right. What is the answer to that question? Yes. Virginia describes this man in legal documents as, quote, a well known prime minister. She says this was the most violent man that she has ever witnessed. Quote, he wanted violence. She describes as how he would choke her until she loses consciousness, only to bring her back and do it all over again. It's like he took pleasure in her fear for her life, in her begging for her life. She says, horrifically, the prime minister laughed when he hurt me and got more aroused when I begged him to stop. I emerged from the cabana bleeding from my mouth and down there. She says for days it hurt to breathe and to swallow. She said it was the most terrifying experience of her life. That she got on her knees afterwards and begged Epstein to promise her to never send her back to the prime minister ever again. Again. She doesn't know if Epstein owed this man or was in fear for this man or what. But instead of promising to never traumatize her like that ever again, he just coldly says, yeah, you'll get that sometimes. Referring to the violence of the Prime Minister, Virginia writes Epstein cared only about Epstein. She says the Prime Minister's assault was so bad that quote, at that point I hit bottom. I now knew I wouldn't survive. I saw only two possible options. Either someone Epstein trafficked me to would kill me or I would self exit. She details the second time that she's sent to service the Prime Minister on Epstein's private jet. She says she was in fear for her life, but maybe it's the lack of privacy on a private jet. Thankfully, he did not enact physical violence in the form of choking and causing her to bleed all over like the first assault. But this was just a regular assault. Virginia says, I didn't know it then, but my second interaction with the Prime Minister was the beginning of the end for me. In the book, the Prime Minister is unnamed, but it's not because Virginia does not know this man's name. She says while we need to be brave about naming our abusers, we must also protect ourselves. There are certain men who I fear naming, she says. For the Prime Minister, I know his name and he knows what he did to me. Even though when others have sought comment from him about my allegations, he has denied them. I fear that this man will seek to hurt me if I say his name here. There are two guesses online about who this former Prime Minister could be. The most common conspiracies and thoughts come down to two, with some saying that it could be the former Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, Tony Blair, with some netizens pointing out how odd it is that Tony Blair was invited to the White House shortly before Virginia's memoir was released. According to some reports, Tony Blair and Prince Andrew and Jeffrey Epstein were buds. They all knew each other and the Daily Mail in Australia has reportedly stated whether this is accurate or inaccurate is up for debate that the Prime Minister in the book is a British ex Prime Minister. But a lot of netizens actually don't think that the Prime Minister in question is Tony Blair. Not that Tony Blair is off the hook in the eyes of netizens. A lot of netizens don't like Tony Blair, but they think specifically that this Prime Minister is the former Prime Minister of Israel, Ehud Barak. According to the Times of Israel, Ehud Barak had visited visited Epstein 30 times in 2013-2017, which is not the same timeline as when Virginia was being trafficked, obviously. But the netizen speculations being that those are just the years that are tracked and or released. He could have been friendly with him for a very long time. In fact, Barack himself states that he had met Epstein in the early 2000s, but of course, he denies any sort of wrongdoing, stating that, yes, he had gone to Epstein's house a few times. I came to his house quite a few times with my wife. However, there are pictures, right? There are pictures of who it appears to be Ehud Barak entering Jeffrey's Manhattan townhouse, and a lot of young women also entering, allegedly around that same time frame. Could be his wife's friends, could be not. But furthermore, his spokesperson did state that, yes, he had attended several small functions in Mr. Epstein's home in New York. But if the times of Israel is to be believed, 30 times in the span of a few years is hardly several. It sounds like a lot. He's also quite friendly with Colombia's Andre Pastrana. And Virginia reports in her deposition that she met another huge politician, a leader of a foreign country that had a Spanish accent. So people think that that could be Andre Pastrana, but that has not been proven at all. None of this has been proven in the court of law. And that is not to say that any of this is not true or that Virginia is not to be believed. I mean, I don't think that there's really anyone who doesn't believe Virginia, but I think it's. I mean, you see what's going on with the Epstein files, of course. Right. But some argue that the timeline with the ex British Prime Minister Tony Blair makes more sense. However, it's just more people seem to be theorizing that it's the former Israeli Prime Minister. With one netizen commenting, no wonder the US Government doesn't want to release anything. It would paint a very bad picture on their bestie nation. But none has painted a worse picture, aside from the US than what is being done in the United Kingdom. At one point, Prince Andrew was known as the playboy of the royal family. He is divorced from his wife, Sarah Ferguson, and according to some reports, after he divorced his wife, he started having an on and off relationship with Ghislaine Maxwell.

C (35:09)

What?

A (35:10)

The first real mention of Prince Andrew comes in on page 86 of Virginia's memoir. She talks about how Ghislaine had left for a while to meet up with her old friend Prince Andrew, who was going to go to the Heidi Klum annual Halloween party. And again, there is. Heidi Klum's name does come up, but it doesn't seem like she has any strong association. I will say that her annual Halloween party. Everyone's invited. I mean, I've never been invited, but it seems like a lot of people are invited, if that makes sense. It doesn't seem like a, hey, this is a very intimate gathering of people that I vetted and I love to hang out with. And Prince Andrew was going to be there. Ghislaine was going to be there, along with Donald and Melania Trump. This isn't like the early 2000s, before they ever became residents of the White House. But that is not when Virginia meets him. Virginia meets Prince Andrew in London in March 10th of 2001. And that day is already starting off very different for Virginia. Ghislaine is in a particularly good mood, perhaps too good. She wakes Virginia up in a sing songy voice. Get out of bed, sleepyhead. Ghislaine tells her that just like Cinderella, she's going to be lucky enough to meet a handsome prince. Prince Andrew is going to be in town, so hurry up and get ready. So the whole day they go out shopping. Ghislaine is pulling all the stops, purchasing a Burberry bag for Virginia. Three separate outfits. Two of them are Ghislaine's pics. Very sexy, sophisticated dresses. The third option was Virginia. She said, I just wanted to look like Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera. Cause those were my idols. Because she's like 17 at this point. And she chose a cropped T shirt and a sparkly, like sparkly jeans. She begs Ghislaine to wear that outfit. It's a whole ordeal. Virginia convinces her. And nothing is going to ruin the moment for Ghislaine, because Prince Andrew walks in through the townhouse doors in London. And Ghislaine, according to Virginia, is acting even more playful and flirtatious. Like a little flirt, you know, that's kind of how she describes her. Very coquettish, like cheeky. And immediately she just. She wants to play one of her favorite games, which is basically guess the age of the child. Guess Virginia's age. Come on. Prince Andrew, according to Virginia, guesses correctly. 17 years old. Everyone's impressed. And a sick response. Prince Andrew allegedly tells Virginia it's because his daughters are just a little younger. So he's really good at guessing ages. Ghislaine, however, has another joke. I guess we'll have to trade her in soon. Wow. That night, Virginia follows Epstein and Ghislaine's lead, calling Prince Andrew Andy. And then Virginia has this moment where she realizes that as weird as all of this is, this is Prince Andrew. She writes in her book, I suddenly thought of something. My mom would never forgive me if I met someone as famous as Prince Andrew and didn't pose for a picture. She grabs her disposable camera. Epstein takes the photo for her. It's the prince with his arm around her waist and Ghislaine behind them. And a lot of people say she smiles like a Cheshire cat. And most notably in the picture, Virginia looks very young. She looks like a teenager. This photo would go on to haunt the royal family for decades, and it probably will until the end of time.

C (38:17)

But at the same time, that photo almost changed everything, too. Yeah, that decision changed everything.

A (38:23)

Because even with that photo, Prince Andrew said, I don't remember taking that photo. So that photo could be fake. For all I know. If she didn't even have this photo, I don't know what he would have said. I don't know what kind of things he would have tried to do. After small talk, they decide. Epstein, Ghislaine and Virginia are gonna get in one car. Prince Andrew and his security detail are gonna get in another car. They're gonna go out to eat at a restaurant and immediately go to a London nightclub called Tramp. Virginia remembers the prince getting her a cocktail and dancing. And he's just. Just so sweaty on the dance floor, which side note, this is not unbelievable information. A lot of reporters and journalists and a lot of tabloids that have followed Prince Andrew through the years, because he was. He's just always been a very problematic royal. He's always been a very big partier, a club goer. A lot of people say that he, like, really gets in on the dance floor. Like, he'd just be dancing on the dance floor. So this is not. Oh, my gosh, unbelievable. We can never imagine a royal would do this. He did that a lot. Then, as they head back to Ghislaine's townhouse, because Prince Andrew is in a separate car, Virginia states that Ghislaine tells her, when we get home, you are to do for him what you do for Jeffrey. Virginia writes in her book again, her sections on Prince Andrew are very detailed and thorough. This is just a brief synopsis, but she says, back at the house, Maxwell and Epstein said good night, headed upstairs, signaling it was time that I take care of the prince. In the years since, I've thought a lot about how he behaved. He was friendly enough, but still entitled, as if he believed having sex with me was his birthright. She explains that she first drew him a bath. He gets in the tub, but he seems pretty Eager to get to the bedroom. So that was quick. And he starts licking Virginia's feet, caressing her toes. And she says, it was a first for me. And it tickled. Then he was rushing to get to the final part. And, quote, afterward, he said thank you in his clipped British accent. In my memory, the whole thing lasted less than half an hour. She remembers the next morning, Ghislaine praising her. You did well. The prince had fun. But she did not know that that picture from that night. She said, quote, I had no idea what a commotion this photo would later cause. We're not done, though. A month later, Prince Andrew reunites with the s trafficking duo Epstein and Ghislaine. This time he goes to New York City. There's another party president, Johann, another one of Epstein's victims. Ghislaine, this time, gives the prince a puppet that says, it's Prince Andrew. And they take a picture on the couch. It's a puppet holding one of Virginia's breasts and Johanna sitting on the prince's lap and the prince with his hand, his actual hand on Johanna's chest. And Virginia says the symbolism was impossible to ignore. Johanna and I were Ghislaine and Epstein's puppets, and they were pulling the strings. And later they sent me to a bedroom where I had with the prince for a second time. Time. The third time that she's with Prince Andrew. She doesn't recall the exact date, but she says that it was on Epstein's island and it was an orgy. Virginia says, I was around 18. Epstein, Andy and approximately eight other young girls and I had sex together. The other girls all seemed and appeared to be under the age of 18 and didn't really speak English. Epstein laughed about how they couldn't really communicate, saying they are the easiest girls to get along with. Virginia doesn't distinctively remember if she was 17 or 18 at the time. During Virginia's deposition, she's asked by Ghislaine Maxwell's attorney, to whom did Ghislaine Maxwell sexually traffic you? You have to understand that Jeffrey and Ghislaine are joined by hit by hip. Okay, so they both trafficked me. Ghislaine brought me in for the purpose of being sex trafficked. Jeffrey was just as part of it as she was. She was just as part of it as he was. They trafficked me to many people. And to be honest, there's. There's people I could name, and then there's people that are just a blur. There was so much happening. Okay, please name a person that Ghislaine Maxwell directed you to go have s with Prince Andrew later. Prince Andrew goes to state to the BBC in 2019. I don't remember meeting her at all. I don't remember that photograph ever being taken. You can't prove whether or not that photograph is faked or not. Epstein later in a third party email, he's not talking to the prince, he's talking to a third party. Yes, Virginia was on my plane and yes, she had her picture taken with Andrew, as many of my employees have, further cementing the thought that nobody had that the photo is doctored. It's not doctored. He also states to the BBC Prince Andrew does that it couldn't have been him because first of all, he can't sweat. That was a whole thing.

C (43:05)

What do you mean it can't be him? What cannot be him? This whole story cannot be him.

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Yes, because he had, when he was in a war, like he was in the military, he had so much adrenaline rushing through through him that he could not, he had, he developed a condition where he could not perspirate, he could not sweat, which his medical records do show that he did have that condition. But it's very temporary. And a lot of other reporters have stated that they have seen him as they paparazzi him coming out of places, out of functions, heavily sweating. He also states that he took his daughters to go eat pizza that day, so couldn't have been him. And so with that, a lot of people are very curious to see if the Epstein files are dropped this year, what's going to come out about Prince Andrew, because it does seem like maybe the royal family, they are preparing for something to come out. It would seem that way. Perhaps. Daniel Craig returns as Benoit Blanc with an all star ensemble cast for his most dangerous case yet. When young priest Judd Duplentesis is sent to assist charismatic firebrand Monsignor Jefferson Wicks, it's clear that all is not well in the pews. Written and directed by Rian Johnson. Critics are calling it the sharpest Knives out movie yet. Watch Wake Up Dead Man. A Knives out mystery. In select theaters November 26th and on Netflix December 12th. Rated PG13.

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There are also a lot of small connections mentioned in Virginia's book as well. On page 116 of her memoir, Virginia details having interacted with the Simpsons creator Matthew Groening. She alleges that he was riding on Epstein's private jet, which has been confirmed by flight logs that Matt was on his flight February 23, 2001. So that's not alleged, but Virginia states, I just recall that Epstein required me to massage Groening's feet, feet which were calloused and sweaty and in terrible shape. I did as I was told, as usual, tempering my disgust with the knowledge that I'd now met the genius who'd invented the dysfunctional family, Homer, Marge, Bart, Lisa and Maggie Simpson that helped me survive my own family. Before we touched down, Groening kindly drew me two sketches that I asked him to sign for my little brother and my dad. I never had any contact with Groening. It seems that Matt Groening was arranged to fly with Epstein by his agent and he has crusty feet, but that seems to be really his only connection. It doesn't seem like he has any other strong connections as of right now, so it doesn't seem like he's a reoccurring person in the world of Epstein. Then there's disgraced actor Kevin Spacey. Virginia details in her book that she wasn't on this flight, but she knew that Epstein and Ghislaine were preparing to fly to Africa on Epstein's private jet with a bunch of high profile people. Chris Tucker, actor Kevin Spacey, actor and former president Bill Clinton. More on Bill Clinton later. But Kevin Spacey recently released a statement on X. Release the Epstein files. All of them. For those of us with nothing to fear, the truth can't come soon enough. I hate to make this about me, but the media already has. I mean, the media barely has, but okay. However, I will note that he has not been accused of wrongdoing in direct connection with Epstein. But also, I believe that he's gay. So I don't think that he's. I don't know. I don't think that Epstein has had any. Okay, so Kevin Spacey was accused by many male actors in the industry that he had harmed them when they were children. He has been acquitted and there's just a lot of. Kevin Spacey is a whole rabbit hole of its own, so I'm not really going to touch that. But Spacey states that he traveled with Epstein and President Clinton and Chris Tucker to Africa for Clinton' advocacy tour, which could make sense. Chris Tucker also states that he like went to a trip to Africa for this advocacy tour because like when a former president calls you to come for an advocacy tour, you just kind of go, right. You don't really. And it does seem that Chris Tucker is not really immersed in the Epstein world in any way. So a lot of people don't necessarily associate him with Epstein in that context. A surprising name to come up in the book, however, is well known actor George Clooney. Virginia states that Ghislaine would brag about, quote, enjoyed repeating that once at some random event she'd taken the actor George Clooney into a bathroom and given him a blowjob. Whether it was true or not, we would never know is what Virginia rights. Yeah, Maxwell said that she went down on Clooney. And one net is and I'm not laughing because I think that this is funny, but I'm laughing because one netizen comments I call not because I have sympathy for Clooney, I actually think he's a shit actor. This is the netizen comment, but because it doesn't pass the smell test. Why would a guy. I don't agree with the sentiment, but the comment goes. Why would a guy who can have anyone in Hollywood except a BJ from a woman with a face like a Doberman, suffering from a hair lip? This is just an obvious lie that defies sanity. And while I don't agree with that kind of thought process, I do agree that she does look like a dope. However, one name that netizens are less forgiving of is Naomi Campbell. In her deposition, Virginia states that she was forced to service Ghislaine in the south of France before Naomi Campbell's 35th birthday party. She says, we were going to Naomi Campbell's birthday party. It wasn't at the birthday party, which Ghislaine Maxwell's attorney who is deposing Virginia is, I think probably a very slappable individual. But they ask and who else was present during your supposed sexual contact with Ghislaine Maxwell on this occasion? To which immediately Virginia hits back. It wasn't supposed. It actually happened and Ghislaine was present. Jeffrey was present. I believe Emily Taylor was also present, who was a longtime assistant for Ghislaine. They go to Naomi Campbell's birthday party. There is a picture that went viral of Virginia Duffrey at this party surrounded by wealthy attendees. And the implication being really nobody could tell that Epstein and Ghislaine are flaunting around an underage child. And while nothing implicates Naomi Campbell of any wrongdoing in this specific case, I believe that she has her own criminal back and forth. She was like accused of assaulting an employee multiple times, like physically. There was a lot. Okay. Naomi Campbell, I will say is a legend in her own right. And she is undeniably beautiful and has set her own path in the modeling world. And she is innocent in the eyes of the law in this association. But her name constantly coming up with Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell and Sean Combs. I would imagine that that makes a lot of people very wary about her. July 2009, Epstein is released from jail after serving 13 months. So this is a huge part of why people want the files released. In 2008, an investigation is opened into Epstein. Well, actually it's opened far before that. And Alexander Acosta, huge political figure, he basically gives Epstein the world's most insane plea deal where he will then serve 13 months for two state charges of procuring a child for work and soliciting sex work. He was supposed to do a measly 18 months, but even that clearly too harsh for a great upstanding man like Epstein. He was released in 13 months and promptly placed on house arrest. And even during this so called prison sentence, they let him out for work release. Because a businessman like Epstein, a sex trafficker, business never stops. So this is why it's even more puzzling that after all of this, in 2010, there is a party hosted for Prince Andrew at Epstein's New York City townhouse. All the allegations have gone public. Well, not all of them, but he has pled guilty and he got this plea deal. And apparently CBS News anchorwoman Katie Couric, Good Morning America news anchor George Stepanopoulos were there. Which people have been bringing up their name? These two people, I find it to be very reasonable that they're there, considering they are journalists who they do tend to go into the fire to figure out who the arsonist is. Right, That's. I don't imagine that they're just like hanging out with them for as best buds. Right. But netizens were initially very puzzled because Chelsea Handler, the comedian, was present. Now she does clarify. I had no clue who Epstein was. And you have to remember, in 2009, the allegations were public, meaning that everyone around Epstein, in his circle, his friends, they knew what happened to Epstein, but he was not this big of a figure as we know today. So she's like, I don't know this guy. I actually went with Katie Couric. And also we didn't stay for long. Chelsea Handler actually left because she runs into Woody Allen and his wife Suny Previn, who was Woody Allen was married to actress Mia Farrow, who adopted Sun Yi Previn. And then Woody Allen divorced Mia and married Soon Yi Previn, the little child he watched grow up. But Chelsea Handler states, so she goes there and she asks Woody Allen how he and his wife met. She was like, I was curious. I had forgotten for a moment. And so I asked them because I would ask any other couple. But as soon as it came out of my mouth, I knew it was too late. And I was like, she says that Woody Allen loved it. Soon Yi, she doesn't think heard it. But Katie, the one that the reporter who invited her was like, we gotta go, we gotta go. Chelsea Handler does not appear to have any sort of association with Epstein, but her name did come up in the book. And so just to mention. But the same cannot be said for some of the most powerful politicians in the world. In part two, we're gonna go over in depth the emails that were released, the birthday book and the things that are connecting Donald Trump, Bill Clinton, Bill Gates, Alexander Acosta, the DOJ to Jeffrey Epstein. So stay tuned for part two, Be safe and I will see you in the next one.

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