A (2:48)

Uh huh. They willingly install it.

B (2:51)

Oh, okay. So it's not a secret?

A (2:52)

No.

B (2:53)

Okay.

A (2:53)

You willingly do it. One Redditor breaks down the covenant Eyes like this. This is from a few years ago. So there could have been a bunch of software updates, but there are three main services. It has Screen Accountability, Website Blocker and Safe Search. Screen Accountability being the most important quote. It's their patented software that will periodically take screenshots of your screen AI, then will analyze it and then it blurs all of the screenshots slightly. And then you and your accountability partner get a weekly report with some of these screenshots. And if you didn't look at X rated videos, then the report will just say you didn't look at X rated videos. It encourages you to look at their screenshots for anything that they might have missed. And if you did look at X rated videos, it will attach those specific screenshots and it will report to your partner that you tried to look at X rated videos. The website blocker will block any website that is mature. So you can set it to like teen, teen mature, adult mature and teen mature. I believe even Reddit is hard to get on.

B (3:50)

Interesting.

A (3:51)

SafeSearch will make sure no explicit content comes up on any search engine and all of this data gets sent to your partner. If you want to uninstall Covenant Eyes, you have to call a number and once you call them and confirm you want to uninstall, they give you a code. Your accountability partner will receive a notification saying you did this. There are over 1.7 million users that have been watched by the Covenant Eyes, including House Speaker Mike Johnson, who back in 2008 he had some very interesting views. He says that the fall of the Roman Empire. Okay, we know Mike Johnson. We think he's crazy. Okay? He said the fall of the Roman Empire had to do, in part due to rampant homosexual behavior. Mike Johnson has also previously stated that being gay is, quote, inherently unnatural and a dangerous lifestyle, as well as, quote, ultimately harmful and costly for everyone. Why is it costly for you, Mike Johnson, unless you're involved? Okay. He also weirdly kind of thinks that if we just let gay people get married, what's Next someone's going to marry their dog. That's literally what he said. It totally makes a lot of sense if you're a homophobe with a hole in your brain. But in 2022, he spoke publicly about how he and his then 17 year old son were both on Covenant Eyes and they were each other's accountability partners. They would monitor each other's weekly X rated video intake.

B (5:12)

Wait, so it not only takes screenshot of the video, it takes screenshot of everything? Correct?

A (5:18)

Yes.

B (5:18)

So it's like your, your bank account, your private.

A (5:21)

Yeah.

B (5:22)

Data. They have all of that.

A (5:24)

Yeah, I know exactly where you're going with this. When you said this in 2022, everyone said, now wait a fucking minute. Is that not a safety hazard to the United States of America? Yeah, but he never addressed it. He just said, Covenant Eyes is the software we've been using for a long time in our household. It scans all the activity on your phone or your devices, your laptop, tablet, what have you. We do all of it and then it sends a report to your accountability partner. So my accountability partner right now is Jack, my son. He's 17. So he and I get a report of all the things that are on our devices once a week. If anything objectionable comes up, your accountability partner gets an immediate notice. I'm proud to tell you my son has got a clean slate. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Perhaps he no longer uses it because he is a sitting member of Congress. I don't know, but it's just alarming. But what happens when you have Covenant Eyes and the content being viewed is not on a legal X rated website? What if the content being viewed is not even legal and is just one of the most morally bankrupt, ethically bankrupt things that you can do on an electronic device that involves crimes against children? If there is csam, does it send an alert? Who gets alerted for that? Because that is what reality TV star Joshua Duggar gets arrested for. This is the case of the Duggars and the three arrests of Josh Duggar and more recently, Joseph and Kendra Duggar, and all of the potential crimes in between. We would like to thank today's sponsors who have made it possible for Rotten Mango to support NecMech, the National center for Missing and Exploited Children. They are the nation's largest and most influential child protection organization. This episode's partnerships have also made it possible to support Rotten Mango's growing team. We'd also like to thank you guys for your continued support. As always, full show notes are available@roottenmangopodcast.com a few intense disclaimers including religious trauma, grooming, incest, CSAM, CSA. Please watch with caution. This is going to be a multi episode series, so please take breaks whenever you feel overwhelmed. All the information is also publicly available. Any netizen comments, speculations, theories or allegations or opinions of netizens. Legally, a lot of people are innocent until proven guilty, of course, except for the legally confirmed convictions that we're going to get into. And lastly, a lot of statements and quotes may be condensed for brevity. This is just going to be a massive deep dive, so let's get started. And another thing to note, this is not a take on religion. This is not me sending my ideological beliefs into the ether and hoping that you latch onto it. This is just a breakdown of the Duggar family and their beliefs. And if you're listening to the audio podcast before the video comes out, I have a whole wall of the cast of characters that's behind me of every single Duggar family, because There are over 20 members of the family and then there's spouses that get entwined into the family and then they all have like 50 trillion children and. And you'll see why, because they don't believe in. Anyway, we're going to get there when we get there, but there's a lot of faces on the wall behind me. Please refer to the video version of this podcast if you just want a clearer picture. If you want to know who the Duggars are, all of their first names start with a J. So all the J's, Josh, Jana, John, David. Like these are all the Duggars. Even when it doesn't make sense, they really stuck to the theme of naming everyone with a J. And so 1, 2, 3, 4. This is the order of the siblings. There's 19 siblings in total, 19 children birthed by one woman, Michelle Duggar, and her husband, Jim Bob. Some people call him Jim Boob, some people call him Boob, some people call him Rimjob. It just matters on how much you dislike this character.

B (9:22)

What?

A (9:22)

Yeah. And so all of the Duggars, the original Duggars, they've got a J in their name. And then a lot of them, they get married very early on. Like when they're 18, 19, 20, they get married to the first person that they start dating. Their first kiss is usually at the altar. We'll get in there. But they are the people right next to the Duggar family.

B (9:40)

So the 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, that's their birth order basically.

A (9:43)

And then all the people next to them are Their spouses, and then this little number in between is how many children that they currently have. And people netizens love to track the number of Duggar grandchildren. It's like a thing we're going to get into there. Yeah. But first, Noelle biterman is worth $40 million. At least that's what the estimate was at the time.

B (10:05)

And Noelle, is Noel on the board

A (10:06)

or Noelle is not. But Noelle Biederman is about to have a really shitty day, which Noel sometimes leans into. He has been known to be the most hated man on the Internet. Who said that? He said that. He said it's all self proclaimed. You're on the Internet. You most likely have never even heard of Noel Biederman. So like, why does he think that Everybody hates him? July 12, 2015. Employees of a media company called Avid Life Media, run by Noel Biederman. They walk into their Toronto office. This is like a corporate office. They open up their work laptops and almost in unison, the AC DC rock song Thunderstruck starts blasting on every single fucking computer. It's like when you're listening to something, you don't pause it, you just close your laptop screen so that the next time you open it back up, it automatically starts playing.

B (10:52)

What's AC DC rock song.

A (10:54)

It's like a rock band. They're goats, but they just like scream. And it's a very particular style of music. It's good, it's good.

B (11:01)

So it's just a crazy rock song?

A (11:03)

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

B (11:04)

Okay.

A (11:04)

I mean, they're famous, but you know, what are the odds that every single employee at the office last night was listening to AC DC's Thunderstruck on the highest volume and then closed their laptop and then opened it up at 9am in unison for it to be blasting again? Very unlikely. All of them are trying to turn off their sound, mute their computers, and then a message pops up. We are the Impact team. We have taken over all systems in your entire office and production domains, all customer databases, source code repositories, financial records, emails. Shut down AM&EM. It will cost you. But non compliance will cost you more. We will release all customer records which AM&EM if that were a grocery store or even like a frozen yogurt chain, that would be disastrous. Customer database just released to the public. But it's Even worse because a.m. e.M. I'm sorry, a.m. is Ashley Madison. And E.M. is Established Men. These are dating websites. Oh, for cheaters. Oh, and a data hack and leak from either website is going to ruin millions of people's Lives. And that's not even me speaking hyperbolically. Ashley Madison was run on the slogan, life is short. Have an affair. So it's not just a dating website. It's a dating website where people go to cheat on their spouses. They launched in 40 countries. They had more than 37 million users. And the threat message continues. We will release all customer records, profiles with the customer's secret sexual fantasies, nude pictures and conversations, and matching credit card transactions, real names and addresses, documents and emails. Avid Life Media will be liable for fraud and extreme harm to millions of users. This is a big deal now. Side note, Ashley Madison would even charge people extra money for, quote, full delete of their profiles. Because when you run an affair website, sometimes you're like, you know what, I got to delete and make sure there's no traces left of me being here. They had a $19 full delete. I mean, pretty economical if you ask me to hide an affair. And they were making $1.7 million in one fiscal year just off of this extra add on of being able to fully delete your profile.

B (13:17)

I feel like they could have 10x that and make 10x the money.

A (13:21)

Exactly. People will pay. But here's the point of fraud. Nothing was ever really deleted. And the Impact team is saying, I'm gonna release it all. Even the former vice president of sales at the company would later say, I'm

B (13:32)

sorry, this is the company who owns Ashley Madison.

A (13:35)

Avid Life Media owns Ashley Madison establishment and a ton of other weird websites. So they just got hacked and they're getting a threat message like, we're gonna expose you for fraud. You're gonna be liable for fraud because not only are we going to hack and leak all of the customer databases, they're going to know that you're not even deleting any of this information. When you're doing it all. You need all the electrolytes. The weather is heating up, and the best way to make it through those sweaty summers is Gatorade, which hydrates better than water itself. With new Gatorade lower sugar, you can get the amazing hydration you expect from Gatorade, but with no artificial flavors, sweeteners, or colors. With sweet 75% less sugar and all the electrolytes of Gatorade thirst quencher, you'll be back at your best and ready to take on whatever comes your way. New to the fridge, all the Gatorade electrolytes you love. Try Gatorade lower sugar today. Picture this. It is the end of a long week. You're unwinding in the tub, listening to your favorite true crime podcast, and then chronic hives come back again in the middle of the episode. Like what a wet blanket looks like. Another spell of itchy, swollen, red or skin colored hives. If you have chronic spontaneous urticaria or csu, there may be a different treatment option. Worried about your chronic hives interrupting our next episode? Learn more@treatmyhives.com rotten some of the best things come in layers. A cute haircut, wrapped presents, and our sponsor new Tide Evo. The moment Tide Evo hits water, it instantly activates six concentrated cleaning layers to fight 100% of common stains, including grass and dirt. Each layer has a job tackling the mess from a different angle with scrubbers, pre treaters, brighteners and fresheners. Toss one in with your load and that's it. No scooping, no spilling, no squinting at a fill line and no mess. Just clean clothes. And I haven't even told you about my favorite part. Tide Evo is an easy swap you can make if you're trying to cut down on household waste. There are no fillers, no extra water, and no large plastic jugs. Tide Evo is lightweight and it comes ready for the wash in a fully recyclable box. I've officially switched over to Tidyville for my laundry routine and my clothes smell fresh. It's great with my sensitive skin, I've even been able to do a few loads with my whites and a little bleach and my white towels that survived a dog bath or two came out refreshed. When all those layers work together the way they're supposed to, there's nothing left to question. It's the same feeling as a case with no loose ends, where every detail has done its job. Try New Tide Evo Real Laundry Magic. The promise of security, anonymity and safety was just something we said. It wasn't something we did. This is the former vice president of sales. Now just overall, the way that Ashley Madison, the entire company Avid Life Media was run, their operational practices were clearly less than great. Noel Beiderman, the guy who ran Avid Life Media, he has stated that data into infidelity can help us make better choices. That was like the platform he was on. He was like, no, I know I'm sleazy. I run an affair website and I make millions of dollars off of it. But hold on, hold on. This is really good data that we can latch onto and we can make people have better marriages. We can help women make better choices, he says. The day After Valentine's Day, it's a real, real slippery slope for when people have affairs. So maybe the day before you want to step up and play differently. Let's take this data and make it more consumable and give people a better roadmap to navigate at least the infidelity components of marriage.

B (17:20)

What does Valentine's Day have? What is he trying to say?

A (17:23)

He's saying lots of people get up on Ashley Madison after the day, after Valentine's Day. They're signing up, they're paying extra money for fees, they're messaging people. And he's saying it's because probably during Valentine's Day you didn't get what you wanted. So he's saying, now what can we do with this data? Probably women, listen up, you guys should be hotter for Valentine. That's the vibe he's giving. And the busiest day for affairs is Monday. And they like to say it's because the expectations of the weekend were not met. So maybe up it on the weekends weirdly putting blame on the partners that are being cheated on rather than the cheating partners. But like, what do you expect from the person who runs Ashley Madison? Noel Beiderman has just been known for some saying some very weird, questionable, depressing things. He was asked by USA Today, you have made the argument that monogamy is a failed experiment and infidelity is the way of the future. How can you say cheating helps a marriage? Infidelity has always been amongst us. It just happened to be the dominion of men for the most part. What I hear from the women in particular on my site and even the men is I love my partner, I cherish my kids, I can't stand what doesn't happen in the bedroom. Most people are not willing to give it all up for a one night stand of an encounter. What I'm saying is majority of people having affairs are looking to preserve their marriage, not leave it. People pursue affairs because they don't want to leave their marriage. They want to have their cake and eat it too. I acknowledge that. I'm not suggesting it helps the dynamic between the two individuals, but it might help them stay within the institution of marriage. Also in the event that this information is not saddening enough. He says one of the more important groupings we have found on Ashley Madison is the first time affair seeker three to four years into a marriage typically, and there's a real correlation factor with pregnancy. Essentially men start cheating on their wives because she is pregnant and exhausted from creating a human life and then continue to cheat on Their wives now, because the wives are now exhausted from single handedly caring for and raising that life that she just birthed out of her body. Don't you love data? And Noelle Biederman ran a website that clearly exploited such data by encouraging mostly men to have affairs. Now, side note, Noel Beiderman, I will say he did have access to some weird information that I don't know how accurate it is. I don't know if any of the conclusions coming from said data is important to anything. I'm not entirely sure. He just like dropped random nuggets of statistics here and there, and I'm just gonna drop it for you. It turns out that at least among our users, that's what he says it seems to be. The more women they are in a family, so the more daughters they have or the more sisters a man has, the more unfaithfulness there is. They also study cheating astrological signs. Their finding is Pisces men and Gemini women are the least faithful on their. And ultimately Noelle says, but is it really my fault? Yeah, I am the most hated man on the Internet. But if I shut down Ashley Madison tomorrow, do you intellectually, genuinely believe that a single affair will not take place? You're shooting the messenger. This is societal life.

B (20:27)

So what happened with the whole hacking leaking situation from the Monday?

A (20:32)

Yeah, so they. They get that, you know, leak. They're like, we've got all your customer databases. We're about to leak it. Shut down Ashley Madison and shut down established men. And they don't. They don't. So then it gets leaked. It gets leaked and it's an implosion where someone on this board is involved in this leak. Okay, now, but because everything must come back to this. As always. Noel Beiderman was in the Epstein files. He was being introduced by a third party who emails Jeffrey Epstein and Noelle writing, hi, Jeffrey. I hope all is well. I want to introduce you to Noelle Beiderman, who was the CEO of Ashley Madison and is now experiencing. Experiencing some of the downsides of their scandal. I was hoping that when Noelle is next in New York, that the two of you could meet and maybe you could help him think about life after a scandal. And in general, I hope all is well. Irrationally yours, Dan. Irrational indeed. Fucking Dan. Okay, but why was Avid Life Media targeted by this impact team of anonymous hackers?

B (21:31)

Wait, wait, wait. Why is Noel trying to get connected with Epstein?

A (21:37)

Yeah, we don't know. It doesn't seem like they met. There's like a few back and forth emails that I could Find. I mean there's no definitive response of if they did meet or did not meet, but there's no confirmative email of like hey, so nice to meet you. But why was Avid Life Media targeted by this anonymous hacking team? Is it just a bunch of scorned spouses who hate infidelity with a fire burning passion and want to get rid of any safe space for the offenders and also have hacking experience? Valid reason enough, but there is a lot more to it. Avid Life Media, let's start with Ashley Madison. That's like their bread and butter. This is their staple website. This is where they make the most money. This is the website that helps cheaters have discreet affairs. It's free for women to sign up like most clubs and it's predominantly aimed at straight people, but they also have established men. The other website targeted by the hackers and it's essentially a sugar daddy website supposedly to connect older wealthy men with young women, both wanting, quote unquote, mutually beneficial arrangements with it basically advertising female members are young and beautiful and mostly in their 20s and 30s. These women are looking for older and richer male partners, men who can afford to give them expensive gifts and monetary support. Then you have the counterpart of that which was Cougar Life, older women with younger men which they called cougars and cubs. They had Arrangement Finders, another sugar daddy website, but more emphasis on direct and explicit transactional nature of it broke college girls self explanatory. They also had like a few smaller niche websites, but these are not just morally bankrupt sites. It's been reported that Avid Life Media employees would actively recruit escorts to join their sites like Arrangement Finders. And they had emails internally where they were discussing how they were going to grab foreign young women, smuggle them into the US bypassing immigration to sign them up for these websites which would very loosely, could very loosely be defined as human trafficking, sex trafficking international. Yeah, I'm not saying that they did this, but I'm just saying they were coming up with ways of like, well how would we lie to immigration authorities about it? Which I feel like you're already trying to commit the crime. But this threat that shows up on the employees computers reads Avid Life Media runs Ashley Madison, the Internet's number one cheating site for people who are married or in a relationship to have an affair. Alm also runs Established Men, a prostitution human trafficking website for rich men to pay for sex. Trevor Alm's CTO Chief Technology Officer once said protection of personal information was his biggest critical success factor. I would hate to see our Systems hacked and the leak of personal information. Well Trevor, welcome to your worst fucking nightmare. We are the Impact team. So they threaten Avid Life media, shut it down or we're leaking everything. They don't shut it down and they leak everything. And this is back in 2015. You had random housewives going on looking for their husband's email addresses. You had journalists going in, typing in every.gov email address, typing in all the celebrities email addresses. It was an implosion of shit. The damage was done. Profiles, billing information, addresses, full government names, messages are all exposed to the public. And the expose aspect is multifaceted with this one. Like you obviously have the cheaters being exposed, but you also have Ashley Madison being exposed and not just for their God awful security measures that a five year old could probably vibe code. These days one of the main things being exposed was the fact that Ashley Madison created more than 70,000 female bots. They had bots and these bots were supposed to contact men. Basically tricking men that they were talking to a woman who wanted to sleep with them. But they were just talking to a line of code.

B (25:28)

That makes sense.

A (25:29)

Yeah, because what woman is signing up for this website? If a woman wants to have an affair she could probably just go to the grocery store. In the US alone there were 19 million profiles and 16 million of them were men. So who the hell are they talking to? It's not a local woman in their area who's hot and horny. Okay. It's a bot. And the coders would even sit there coming up with their best lines to entice the paying men who want to have affairs. And these are a bunch of dude coders because you can tell.

B (25:56)

So this is before like chatgpt times. Yeah, because today.

A (26:01)

Yeah, yeah. And so they're writing to them. When I was younger I used to sleep with my friends boyfriends. This is like a female bot messaging husbands. When I was younger I used to sleep with my friends boyfriends. I guess old habits die hard. Although I could never sleep with their husbands. I'm sexy, discreet and always up for a kinky chat. Would also love to meet up in person if we get to know each other and think there might be a good connection. Which then would push a lot of male users to purchase the $250 guaranteed affair premium which then passes that customer along to a third party affiliate who either provides provides a real person for the guy to chat to, which is usually not what happens, or they just straight up connect him with an escort service because a guaranteed affair is A guaranteed affair. And because of the bots, God awful messages. There are internal reports that Ashley Madison was pondering the idea of paying human women to engage with the men. If a woman engaged with a man within 20 to 30 minutes of him buying credits so he could message more, so he could connect with more women, she can be credited with 5% of the profit. They never executed this thought, but they thought about it, which is telling. They also did previously get sued by a former employee who alleges that she was hired to create 1,000 fake female profiles within three weeks to make men think that there were more women willing to cheat than there actually was. The suit alleged that she hurt her wrist by typing to get so many profiles done, stating she became, quote, severely disabled. The company responded at the time by referencing a picture of her jet skiing, saying, an unlikely activity for someone who was allegedly disabled, suffering serious injury to her wrist. Oh, and allegedly they were working on an app called what's your wife worth? This app would let men submit pictures of their wife and others would rate them. And with that, a dollar amount would be generated for how much men likely would be willing to spend for a one night stand with your wife.

B (27:56)

They made that or they were thinking about making that?

A (27:58)

They were thinking about it. Noel Biederman was really excited about it, but he didn't like the developers on it. He said the website interface, the user experience was shit.

B (28:06)

I just cannot imagine how many customers there would be for something like that.

A (28:11)

So many customers there have been you

B (28:13)

will expose yourself for.

A (28:15)

Yes, but there have been so many Reddit threads where people post explicit photos of their wives, their girlfriends, and those get shut down. There have been so many weird websites. Oh, there was like an entire forum community of people talking about how to drug their wives and partners with so that they could bring in other people to R word them. So I'm assuming that the demographic, the market cap would be large. During the hack, it is also revealed that the CEO of Avid Life Media, Noelle sought young escorts, which, like, why is that a scandal? I mean, it would seem like something that would happen. Everyone just assumed that this man is in an open relationship with his wife, whom he shares children with, but not at all his wife has publicly stated before the hack. I'm sure most people assume that because of what Noelle does, we must be in an open relationship, but this is absolutely untrue. She states that she would be entirely heartbroken if she discovered Noelle being unfaithful. We have such a great relationship and are open about our needs that it Would really come as a big surprise. She says that she supports her husband's career though, because he looks like a villain trying to tear apart relationships that he's okay with infidelity, but in reality all he's doing is bringing light to something people turn a blind eye to. He's not afraid to ask really tough questions. I imagine that she was the one asking tough questions when the affair was brought to light in the hack and a lot of people were actually asking a lot of tough questions. Hunter Biden was named in the leak to which he denied all involvement and stated that someone else clearly made an account using his email. Which side note, there is no email verification needed. So that could be very well true. But Hunter Biden is not particularly known as someone who doesn't have affairs. His most notorious affair being that with his own sister in law after his brother passed from brain cancer. There's that. Yeah, yeah, that was a whole thing in the Biden era. Yeah. The husband of a Real Housewife of New York was exposed to have an account. He stated he made one foolishly with a group of his buddies for Hehehahs, a Florida circuit court judge who was then a prosecutor. This is the guy that prosecuted Casey Anthony. He was found in the leak and he said, I hope the public will judge me on my 35 years of service. And not a bad mistake. He says he never cheated. He just signed up out of curiosity. One Republican party member was also outed for having a profile and he said, I did it for opposition research. I needed to see what the fucking Dems were doing. A Christian YouTuber, Sam Raider, and his name starts circulating on Twitter associated with the data leak. And he says, this is a. This is a Christian couple that makes Christian videos where they're like, I serve my husband and you know what? I have religious trauma, so I can have a little bit of sass with this one. Okay. But it's all like, this is how I serve my husband. I never question his leadership. And I'm like, I question literally everything in everybody's life all the time. Like, you should question more. You should have more question marks in your head, girly pop. But he was associated with the data leak. He says that during this time, this was a very vulnerable time in his life. He was working as a nurse and taking care of their firstborn son. So he was very overwhelmed, which naturally one would think that the way to decompress from life being overwhelming is to, I don't know, take a fucking bath, take a Xanax if you Must. But he says when life got overwhelming, he wanted to start a morally, emotionally, physically overwhelming act of cheating on his spouse. He says, I didn't want to leave my family, but I wanted something exciting in my life. His username was Dirty Underscore Little Underscore Secret Underscore Man. Dirty Little Secret Man. He has since gone on to state, this is an issue that is in our past. This was before I got onto YouTube. Yeah. Because that makes it better. This was brought to my wife's attention. She has forgiven me for this mistake that I made in opening the account. I have sought forgiveness from God and he has forgiven me. So I have been completely cleansed of this sin. There was a pastor who was outed in the league, outed as a cheater. To clarify, he ends up self exiting in his garage. To this day, no one, nobody has been arrested, charged, or publicly identified as a member of the Impact team that hacked Ashley Madison.

B (32:18)

That's crazy. They didn't ask for money or anything, huh?

A (32:21)

No, they said, shut your shit down.

B (32:23)

Fascinating. Okay.

A (32:25)

Back then, the vice president of the company would say, I would be asked, who's your biggest competitor to Ashley Madison? And I would say, the Bible, which seems to be very, very much on the nose. A contributor to Christianity Today reported that approximately 400 church leaders had been identified in the data and were exposed. Expected to resign all across the country after this leak. And this is one person in particular becomes the face of the Ashley Madison scandal. This one right here. As one would say, he was horny on the main Josh Joshua Duggar, the eldest firstborn son of the Duggar family empire.

B (33:10)

So this was leaked in 2015?

A (33:12)

Yes.

B (33:13)

And he was already famous.

A (33:16)

Oh, yeah, they've been famous for a really long time. And 2015 is the year that everything Josh does comes to light. And then in 2021, it comes to light once more. And we don't even know if he's the worst of all the brothers.

B (33:30)

And that was already headline news. Josh Dugger in the Ashley Madison. Okay.

A (33:35)

Because the Duggar family, I mean, they're reality TV show stars from TLC and they're known to be this huge family of Christian fundamentalists who love God. I may have taken a short, very long break from learning Chinese, but recently one of my nieces on my side of the family, my Korean niece, she's learning Chinese at school, speaking Chinese to my husband, my sister in law, and then I hear a little phrase here and there and I'm like, you know what? She's going to grow up and they're going to be gossiping about me in Chinese. No, I'm just kidding. But I think about it and I'm like, that would be really cool. Cool if I had another shared common interest with my niece. And so I picked it up again. And that is exactly why I love Rosetta Stone. If I need to take a break from practicing my Chinese, I can. And Rosetta Stone will still be there waiting for me. Their immersive, intuitive method helps you naturally absorb your new language. It's not like a bunch of memorizing random vocabulary lists, which I hate. And it never sticks. There's no relying on translations. Instead you learn by connecting words and visuals and meanings in context text. It's basically how my niece is learning Chinese, the way language is meant to be learned. Ready to start learning a new language this spring? Visit rosettastone.com rotten today to explore Rosetta Stone and choose the language that's right for you. Go to rosettastone.com rotten now and begin your language learning journey. When you're doing it all, you need all the electrolytes. The weather is heating up and the best way to make it through those sweaty summers is Gatorade, which hydrates better than water. It's itself. With new Gatorade Lower Sugar, you can get the amazing hydration you expect from Gatorade, but with no artificial flavors, sweeteners or colors. With 75% less sugar and all the electrolytes of Gatorade Thirst Quencher, you'll be back at your best and ready to take on whatever comes your way. New to the fridge, all the Gatorade electrolytes you love. Try Gatorade Lower Sugar today. Picture this. It is the end of a long week. You're unwinding in the tub, listening to your favorite True Crime podcast, and then chronic hives come back again in the middle of the episode. Like what a wet blanket looks like. Another spell of itchy, swollen, red or skin colored hives. If you have chronic spontaneous urticaria or csu, there may be a different treatment option. Worried about your chronic hives interrupting our next episode? Learn more@treatmyhives.com Rot. This is the biggest scandal. And it's not necessarily because he's like the biggest celebrity in the world. I think it's more so the irony of him being on Ashley Madison. Joshua Duggar is part of this family. Christian fundamentalists, by the way, are a very large group of Christians who believe that the Bible and scripture should be oftentimes taken literally. So notable fundamentalists state that the God that God essentially breathed his exact thoughts into biblical writers, meaning that every word of scripture is literally, scientifically, and historically true. So there's like a lot of different denominations of Christianity, and a lot of them have different beliefs and main goals. I would say fundamentalists are hardcore, and

B (36:49)

they're not that common. Right.

A (36:51)

They're huge. It's a huge group of people. Yeah. I mean, depending on the severity. Not the severity. The intensity of how fundamental they are. It gets a little bit smaller the more extreme you get. But it's a huge group of people. Huge groups. They want to go back to the basics, the fundamentals, hence fundamentalist. You'll often hear them being referred to as fundies. They fucking hate that. Yeah, most of them don't like that, but that's what people will call them. There's like, snark pages on Reddit, like, fundies. There's a really good YouTube channel, Fundy Fridays. She, like, dissects all the Christian fundamentalists. I love her channel. I think she runs it with her husband. Boyfriend. I'm not sure, but so good. But this is just like one group of fundamentalists.

B (37:35)

Is she a Christian or no?

A (37:37)

I don't think so. I don't know. She has a background of religious trauma. I'm not too well versed in her lore, but she's incredible. If you want to deep dive into. Because there's so many different groups of fundamentalists and so many different fundamentalist leaders. She, like, dissects the shit out of each one of them. But there seems to be a lot of fundamentalists who do have differing beliefs. So you got a large group of hardcore fundamentalists who hate secular culture. A lot of Christians, like, a lot of people with faith will partake in certain aspects of secular culture. They'll still watch TV shows even if the TV shows. I mean, there's differences.

B (38:16)

Wait, they don't watch TV?

A (38:17)

No, they don't even have.

B (38:19)

They're on TV.

A (38:20)

They're on TV.

B (38:20)

They'RE on TV, but don't watch TV.

A (38:22)

I know. It's like Mark Zuckerberg's kids don't have Facebook. What the fuck?

B (38:26)

No way. They don't watch their own show?

A (38:29)

No, I don't think so.

B (38:30)

Wow. Okay.

A (38:32)

So a lot of Christians, I mean, some of them, because I grew up Christian, not me. Like, having religious trauma right now, but a lot of them will not allow you to even watch any sort of show that has anything that is against the Bible. So witches, magic, Harry Potter is a big one, and it has nothing to do with J.K. rowling being trans, in fact, that probably would have. My old pastor would probably have loved that. But you get what I'm saying. Like, it's a. You know, if there's something that is ungodly, they don't want you to watch it. Some people are more relaxed about it and they're like, I watch Game of Thrones and I watch nasty stuff on screen. I might look away, but I still watch it. It's just a movie. It's just a show. It's fine. But historically, fundamentalists typically do not engage with any secular culture, with many of them believing that rock music is specifically is akin to the devil's soundtrack to life. Drums could potentially be demonic. Women aren't even really allowed to wear pants for a lot of fundamentalists, only dresses and skirts. So many fundamentalists, they see the Bible as a document that is perfect and so literal that questioning any part of it means questioning all of it. And once you start questioning all the Bible, are you even a person of faith? Joshua Duggar and the entire Duggar family are reality show stars that were like the face of fundamentalist Christians for almost a decade. That's why they had their own reality show. That and the fact that Michelle Duggar and Jim Bob, they've got like 20 kids. Like, I'm gonna run you through all of them in a second. Joshua at this point, though, in 2015, when the Ashley Madison scandal happens, he's 27 years old. He's married to Anna Duggar, and at that point they have four children. He was the executive director of FRC Action. So, like, I need to give you all the information to know why this scandal was a big, huge, colossal failure for the Duggar family. FRC is the Family Research Council. Some call it a right wing think tank. Others will call it a hate group. It has been declared a hate group, by the way, by Southern Poverty Law Center. So this is not me. Just like throwing around the word hate group. Their goal is to produce policy research from a self described biblical worldview. The core agenda revolves around three pillars. Faith, family, freedom, which means anti abortion legislation. They focus on trying to ban abortion at every level. They want to support what they call fetal personhood laws. They oppose most, if not all, LGBTQ rights. They literally fight same sex marriage as if someone wants to marry them, which is what I would just call delusional self flattery. They fight. They stay up and fight gender affirming health care. They push for clauses that allow medical workers to refuse treatments for things like birth control. Abortions and they defend prayer being required in public schools. And they also actively oppose the Equality Act.

B (41:24)

Wait, what is his role again? You say director.

A (41:25)

The executive director of one of the FRC's arms, the political arm where they lobby politicians. Like that's a huge deal for a 27 year old to get that position. I mean, he got it through nine nepotism. A lot of people said that he was largely incompetent and he would show up to meetings late and he had no idea what he was talking about.

B (41:42)

But because he's famous.

A (41:44)

Yeah, right. And he's a family man and he's like the face of Christian fundamentalism. And now he is the face of the Ashley Madison leak. But also, like just to give you a background on who Josh Duggar is, they oppose the Equality Act. That's like waking up one day and decide you want to kill every single butterfly on the planet. Like you just hate them. Obviously it's not remotely the same thing, but it's kind of ridiculous to oppose the Equality Act. The Equality act would prohibit discrimination based on sexual orientation, gender identity and employment, housing and public accommodations. They also think X rated videos are the poison seeping through, running through the rivers, the Chattahoochee river of America. And I'm like, look around. We're not going to war in the Middle east because all of us are horned up. Get a grip. Okay, that's not a problem. FRC Action is part of the Family Research Council, super powerful council. They are now a church. They just like recently applied for non profit church status and they got it. So I mean they're just, they're rolling in money. They're terrifying. Yeah. And the council that he's on is the lobbying and political arm. So he moves to D.C. with Anna Duggar and his four kids. And even though a lot of Americans have not heard of FRC Action, they have been changing our lives. FRC Action has been instrumental in pushing state level abortion bans. So if you live in a state with restricted access, FRC's decades of lobbying, judicial appointment, advocacy, legislative strategy, and fucking Josh Duggar probably played a huge role in that. Not that he's competent, but he was part of the organization, so the organization

B (43:26)

is still very much alive and thriving.

A (43:28)

Yeah, a lot of people would say that they have strong political sway of who even ends up in scotus, the Supreme Court of the United States. I mean, this is like a very powerful organization.

B (43:38)

Is he still in there?

A (43:39)

No, because he's in federal prison. We'll get there. What they're also like an Advisory Board Member, FRC Action of Project 2025. They don't just like to fuck with Americans. They paid $25,000 to congressional lobbyists to propose the anti homosexuality bill in Uganda which would propose the death penalty or life imprisonment to for anyone who is gay or caught being gay. FRC would later state that they were actually opposing the bill. Nobody believes them. Josh Duggar, just 27 years old, is the executive director of the FRC Action, the lobbying PAC. But here he is on Ashley Madison. Josh Duggar is a paying member. He didn't just have one account on Ashley Madison. He had two accounts on Ashley Madison, two separate accounts from February 2013 to May 2015. In total he spent almost $1,000, $986.76 cents to be exact for two separate accounts including he paid for the $250 affair guarantee fee. His account names were. Ready for this dc? I don't know if dc. I'm assuming DC meant Washington dc. Like are you ready for this dc?

B (44:49)

What else could it be?

A (44:51)

I don't know. I did have a moment of pondering and it was not a good one. And then Josh underscore the underscore man, Josh the man. Also he listed one of his billing addresses as his grandma's house in Arkansas. His list of turn ons include naughty girl, girl next door, aggressive, take charge nature. He states on his profile that he's interested in finding a partner that is down to experiment with toys and share fantasies. It's also revealed in this entire shitstorm scandal that Joshua Duggar also had an OkCupid profile. OkCupid, that's like a regular dating profile.

B (45:25)

How is he? So he's a famous person, right?

A (45:28)

Yeah.

B (45:28)

But he's putting his face out there. Yeah, that's like one screenshot away from.

A (45:33)

Exactly. And he would answer questions. Okay, so ok, Cupid does this thing where you can answer questions with someone that you've matched with and the responses will come up together to see if you guys have the same world views. So he's trying to cheat on his wife but also like answering these questions. Do you feel there's any circumstance in which a person is obligated to have sex with you? That's a question Joshua Duggar writes. Yes. Are you the type of person to tell a homeless person to get a job? Yes. The idea of gay and lesbian couples having children is not acceptable. Have you been faithful in all your past relationships? No. Rate your self confidence very, very high. The rest of the OkCupid summary reads Just enjoying life here in DC. Lived here just over a year now. Lots of work, hitting the gym, finding good places to eat and really needing to add some fun in the mix. What I'm doing with my life right now, I'm an executive in the city. I develop strategies, meet people, crunch numbers around big tables, and occasionally get out of ivory towers to sleep. Also, OkCupid has this very interesting thing where you take a personality test and it tells you if you're less than average, average or more average in certain traits. So this is not like an actual measurement to someone's capabilities, just how they perceive themselves. And it says that he's a lot more arrogant than the average, more romantic than the average, more sex driven than the average, more political, more spiritual, more confident, more old fashioned. However, less independent, less literary, less scientific than the average. Which we know because he would say things like marriage is essential to the American family and every single child deserves a mother and a father. Well, all seven of your kids are about to be without a father because you're going to be in federal prison. But I digress and like any high profile cheating man caught with his pants down, Josh puts out a formal statement I have been the biggest hypocrite ever. While espousing faith and family values. I've secretly over the last several years been viewing pornography on the Internet and this has become a secret addiction. I have been unfaithful to my wife. I am ashamed of the double life that I have been living and I am grieved for the hurt, pain and disgrace my sin has caused my wife and family and most of all Jesus and all those who profess faith in Him. I have brought hurt and reproach to my family, close friends and the fans of our show with my actions the last few years. While publicly stating I was fighting against immorality in our country, I was hiding my own personal failures as I am learning the hard way. We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences. I humbly ask you for your forgiveness. Please pray for my precious wife Anna and our family during this time. Joshua Duggar, Jim Bob and Michelle, his parents, come out with this statement. When we learned of this late last night, our hearts were broken. As we continue to place our trust in God, we ask for your prayers for Josh, Anna, his wife, our grandchildren and our entire family. Joshua Duggar's wife, Anna Duggar, whom a lot of people felt that she was going to leave him at this point, she states in an interview, I think it's such a betrayal for a spouse to go through what we're walking through. Not only was it a betrayal against me, but it was also a betrayal against those that call themselves Christian. Because here we are as a Christian couple getting married. Everyone was able to see us get married and to vow before God to be loyal to each other. And that loyalty, loyalty was broken. And so for my heart, it was broken. But Anna will decide to stay with her husband and eventually they will go on to have another child, seventh child. They name her Madison. But this will be the least of Joshua Duggar's problems because he's going to end up in jail for something much, much, much worse. And that is where I leave you with the audio. Part one of this podcast. It's going to be a multi part series. In the next part, we're going to go through the entire reality show, what each of the Duggar family for their background, their history, who they get married to. It's going to be like a breakdown of the Duggar dynasty. Then the next part will probably about be about Joseph and Kendra's crimes, alleged crimes, and the jailhouse calls that have been recently leaked and all of the updates. So please stay tuned and be safe and I will see you in the next one. If you thought HBO's euphoria was intense in high school, saddle up. 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