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Episode: "NEW Epstein Emails Get Released & Internet Believes Trump & Bill Clinton Had An AFFAIR"

Host: Stephanie Soo
Date: December 6, 2025

Episode Overview

This episode dives deep into the recently unsealed Jeffrey Epstein emails and the explosive fallout—ranging from political scandals and rumors of an affair between Donald Trump and Bill Clinton, to public clashes over the elusive "Epstein files." Stephanie Soo provides a meticulous breakdown of the newly released "Epstein Birthday Book," the connections to powerful politicians and celebrities (including both U.S. presidents), and analyzes how both political parties are ensnared in the aftermath. The conversation is equal parts dark, sensational, and sharp, with moments of biting humor and skepticism.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The "Epstein Birthday Book": What Is It?

• Background: Compiled for Jeffrey Epstein’s 50th birthday (2003) by Ghislaine Maxwell, featuring over 250 pages of letters, drawings, inside jokes, and photos from high-profile friends.
  • Stephanie explains: “It feels less like a birthday tribute and more of a, hey, maybe every single person in this book should probably just go to jail as a precaution.” [04:05]
• Chilling Details: Chapters titled "children" and "girlfriends" include cryptic, sometimes disturbing anecdotes and drawings.
  • Example: Letters containing adult friends reminiscing about orgies, underage girls, and coded references that seem sinister in hindsight. [24:21-27:20]
  • Notably, some letters appear to reference or be written by children, raising questions about the nature of their relationships with Epstein. [28:47-33:33]
• Notable Quotes:
  • "It almost feels like half the people are...writing in code. A lot of inside jokes...but they feel sinister." — Stephanie [26:44]
  • “To a collector of more than beautiful minds, he whom appreciated architecture, undulating landscapes, beauty marks…” — From a ‘girlfriend’s’ letter [35:02]

2. The Rumored Trump & Clinton "Affair" and the Birth of "Throtus"

• Internet Speculation: A joke/conspiracy has taken off suggesting Trump and Clinton had a sexual relationship, referenced by the online term “Throtus” (a play on POTUS + ‘throat’).
  • Sparked in part by a 2018 email exchange between Epstein and his brother Mark, joking about Trump "blowing Bubba" (Bubba—widely believed to refer to Clinton) and whether Putin had photos. [13:44–16:55]
  • “Ask him if Putin has the photos of Trump blowing Bubba...Ask Bannon to ask Vladimir Putin...” [16:55]
  • Stephanie notes that most netizens see this as a joke, but it’s fueled an avalanche of memes and conspiracy threads. [16:52–19:37]
  • “Is the country really melting their frontal lobes because of a likely joking email referencing two presidents?” — Stephanie [16:52]

3. Visuals and Absurdities in the Birthday Book

• Ominous and Bizarre Inclusions:
  • Photos of Epstein in a bathtub, with the caption: “waiting for my foot massage.” [20:18]
  • Drawings, cryptic poems and letters allegedly from Nobel laureates, celebrities, and billionaires.
  • Repeated references to girls, inside jokes about underage relationships, and a tone of unsettling secrecy throughout. [20:41–27:20]
• Politicians and Billionaires Named:
  • Donald Trump, Bill Clinton, Leslie Wexner, Peter Mandelson, Leon Black… and more. Some contributed letters, often with odd or opaque allusions.

4. Political Fallout: Both Sides on the Hook

• Both Parties Entwined:
  • “This is like one of the very few instances of recent history where both parties...are pretty united in the sense of we want the Epstein files released.” — Stephanie [06:19]
  • Clinton and Trump both appear as contributors in the birthday book, and are linked to Epstein by travel logs, photographs, and correspondence.
  • Quote: "You are constantly two people away from someone who is involved with Epstein." — Stephanie [74:24]

5. The Search for the "Epstein Files"—Hoaxes, Blockages, and Political Games

• Attorney General Pam Bondi: Claims to possess the Epstein files on her desk and promises their imminent release—only for the DOJ to later say there are "no more files" to be released. Massive blowback in MAGA world ensues. [63:53–64:38]
  • “Are we hallucinating manila folders...that just vanish?” — Stephanie [64:38]
• FBI Director Kash Patel (on Joe Rogan): Dismisses rumors of unreleased videos/files: "If I had a video of a guy on an island committing a felony—you would know about it." [67:21]
• Public Outrage: Both Trump supporters and the left clamor for the files; neither party is satisfied with the government's conflicting stances and lack of transparency. [69:03–72:24]
• Trump’s Truth Social Response:
  • “We are on one team MAGA...selfish people are trying to hurt...all over a guy who never dies, Jeffrey Epstein. Why are we giving publicity to files...Let Pam Bondi do her job...Let's keep it that way and not waste time and energy on Jeffrey Epstein, somebody that nobody cares about.” [71:02]

6. Iconic and Controversial Moments

• Trump’s Birthday Book Letter: Described as cryptic, with his signature appearing to serve as the "pubic hair" in a suggestive silhouette drawing. [02:48]
  • “There must be more to life than having everything...Donald. Yes, there is. But I won't tell you what it is. Nor will I, since I also know what it is.” — Excerpt from Trump’s card [02:32]
• Bill Clinton’s Note: “Happy 50th. It’s reassuring, isn’t it...to have your childlike curiosity...” Stephanie and commentators pick apart the “childlike curiosity” phrase. [99:30]
• Steve Bannon’s Proximity:
  • Emails show Bannon was frequently close to Epstein, and even attempted to help create a documentary to redeem Epstein’s reputation pre-2018. [75:20]
  • “You are a lot of things which we will show, but you are not that...” (in context of the documentary and allegations) [75:24]

7. Legal Maneuvering: How Epstein and Ghislaine Dodged Prosecution

• Alexander Acosta’s Plea Deal:
  • Explained as a catastrophic, secret sweetheart deal that kept Epstein and associates from facing federal charges in 2009. Acosta avoided consulting victims and the deal remained sealed. [53:58–56:44]
  • Ghislaine Maxwell tries to use this deal to get out of prison in 2025, but it so far hasn’t worked. [54:22]
• Victim Accounts:
  • Palm Beach DA and prosecutors accused of tanking their own case, cross-examining and shaming victims. [49:24–51:38]

8. Ghislaine Maxwell’s 2025 Proffer Interview

• Interview by Todd Blanche (formerly Trump’s lawyer, now DOJ #2): Stephanie emphasizes potential bias.
• Key Claims:
  • Ghislaine attempts to distance herself from Prince Andrew and minimize her role, denies introducing him to Epstein. Consistently denies or reframes events detailed by victims. [80:58–82:59]
  • Argues Virginia Giuffre’s claims are impossible (“bath is quite small...my house was tiny...he’s so English, he had a tie on” [82:57]), and accuses Giuffre of being a trafficker (after her death).
  • Ghislaine rapidly gets moved to a low-security prison after this proffer becomes public, further fueling speculation. [79:36]

9. High-Profile Connections and Fallout

• Leon Black: Billionaire, paid Epstein over $150 million for "tax advice"; later paid the US Virgin Islands $62.5 million for legal peace. Accused in lawsuits of assaulting women, associated with Epstein through convoluted financial and legal arrangements. [84:20–95:48]
  • “If someone is paying you $40 million a year...I would have quite an accommodating tone.” — Stephanie on the oddness of Leon Black tolerating Epstein’s abuse [88:53]
• Leslie Wexner: Victoria's Secret/Elle Brands mogul, longtime friend and client of Epstein, also contributed a drawing of a woman’s chest to the book. [99:02]
• Peter Mandelson: UK ambassador; his connection and correspondence with Epstein led to his diplomatic withdrawal. [44:45–46:11]
  • Stephanie notes the fawning tone: "They're high political power, but they still talk to him in this manner, which is crazy." [46:16]
• JP Morgan & Jess Staley: Financial institutions and individuals entangled through shady business, legal repercussions, and coded Disney princess references in emails with Epstein. [111:48]

10. Trump, Clinton, and the Epstein Tangle

• Trump’s Changing Narrative:
  • From calling Epstein “terrific guy...likes beautiful women on the younger side” (early 2000s) to later denying any close affiliation.
  • Often lashes out when questioned, calling the Epstein matter “boring.” [104:48]
  • “It just seems like a desecration...boring stuff...Why are people still talking about this guy?” — Trump, as recounted by Stephanie [104:48]
• Alleged Evidence & Rumors:
  • Trump’s name in hundreds of emails; birthday book contains a photo of a check made out to Epstein, signed by "DJ Trump." [118:12]
  • Virginia Giuffre never accused Trump, but other women have brought cases (some dropped after threats).
  • Stephanie repeatedly underlines the murkiness, bias, and lack of conclusive proof, despite the weight of circumstantial evidence.
• Clinton’s Reassuring Note and Rumored Involvement:
  • Bill Clinton’s handwritten entry references "childlike curiosity," fueling online speculation.
  • Clinton continues to deny visiting Epstein’s island despite repeated claims he flew on Epstein's plane. [99:53]
  • Connection to Ghislaine Maxwell (present at Chelsea Clinton’s wedding), correspondence about Hillary Clinton and Vince Foster, and the infamous painting of Clinton in Epstein’s house. [104:17, 103:44]

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• “It feels less like a birthday tribute and more of a, hey, maybe every single person in this book should probably just go to jail as a precaution.” — Stephanie [04:05]
• “Ask Bannon to ask Vladimir Putin if Putin has a picture of Donald Trump going down on Bubba.” — Mark Epstein email [16:55]
• “You are constantly two people away from someone who is involved with Epstein.” — Stephanie [74:24]
• “He must be seen to get something. It’s that simple. That’s what he says about Trump.” — Stephanie, quoting Epstein’s email [121:29]
• “There must be more to life than having everything...Donald. Yes, there is. But I won’t tell you what it is.” — Trump’s birthday letter [02:32]
• “Happy 50th...to have your childlike curiosity...” — Bill Clinton’s note [99:30]
• “If someone is paying you $40 million a year...I would have quite an accommodating tone.” — Stephanie [88:53]
• “Trump is neither sexist or racist. That is the point and in fact the truth. He says things to get elected and it worked. Nothing more.” — Epstein email [118:14]
• "Are we hallucinating manila folders...that just vanish?" — Stephanie [64:38]
• “She says, I have a better idea—Virginia states that Ghislaine took nude photos of her to add to his trophy collection.” — Stephanie narrating Virginia Giuffre’s account [36:02]

Important Segment Timestamps

• Opening—File Leak, Birthday Book Origins: [00:00–04:44]
• Book’s Chilling Content/Examples: [20:09–27:20]
• Conspiracies/Jokes about Trump & Clinton (“Throtus”): [13:44–16:55]
• Attorney General Pam Bondi Promises (and Backtracks) on File Release: [63:52–64:38]
• Steve Bannon Friendship & Documentary Discussion: [74:23–75:47]
• Acosta’s Plea Deal & Fallout: [53:57–60:17]
• Ghislaine Maxwell’s Proffer Interview: [79:36–82:59]
• Leon Black’s Connection, Payouts, & Legal Nightmares: [84:16–95:48]
• Clinton & Trump’s Direct Connections, Denials, and Rumors: [99:30–104:48]
• Stephanie’s Summary on the Rotting Elite: [121:29–124:21]

Final Thoughts & Takeaways

Stephanie Soo concludes that the new releases provide more circumstantial evidence of an elite network tied to Epstein, but little in the way of clear, conclusive proof of specific crimes committed by world leaders. The episode underscores how both political parties have tried to weaponize or suppress the Epstein files for their own interests—only to be stymied by complex, contradictory realities and the collective demand for the truth.

“It just feels like there are only ten people that feed off of each other in the worst ways possible.” — Stephanie [93:14]

Listeners are reminded that, despite rampant speculation and online memes, the most urgent voices pushing for truth and transparency are the survivors themselves. The demand for the release of all evidence—redacted for victim safety—is one of the few things united across political lines today.

Resources and Action

• Petition for full release of the Epstein files: Change.org link in show notes
• Further reading and episode notes: rottenmangopodcast.com

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