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Teen Girls Can’t Stop Laughing in Cop Car, Excited About Mugshots After Attempted Murder Arrest
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After being yanked out of class and arrested on their high school campus, 15 year old Isabelle Valdez and 14 year old Lois Lippert are thrown into the back of a cop car. For 30 minutes the girls are caught on the car’s dash cam giggling and completely unbothered. At one point, Isabelle looks at her best friend, “Oh you trying to look good for your mugshot?” Lois excitedly responds, “Oh shit, am I going to get a mugshot?...This is such a bonding experience, I love it.” The girls are basically acting like they’re going to be able to go home at the end of their “side quest.” After all, the police arrested them before they could even carry out their plan to murder a classmate, right? Isabelle even comments that their plan was, “not a school shooting at least.” Lois agrees saying, “we’d be in prison for life.” It’s true, the girls weren’t planning a school shooting. Instead, they were planning to stab and murder a classmate in a ritual they thought would resurrect an infamous ...
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Like if you are a completely able bodied person, you use the accessible bathroom stall and you walk out and you see that you clearly did not need to use that stall. You could have just waited for a different one and someone else was waiting for that one. If you ever do that, I mean don't do that, but if you do that is a moment that would require deep self reflection as you awkwardly wash your hands in shame. It's almost automatic. I would hope another one of those places is sitting in the back of A police car with your hands behind your back. Clearly you're not getting a free ride. This is far less comfortable than the most worst case. This is far less comfortable than the worst Uber ride that you've ever been on. And Isabel, she looks freaking uncomfortable. Isabelle is sitting there and she's sitting up with her. Her back is straight up against the back seat of this police car. She's not even sitting up straight because she wants to be on her best behavior, which would be smart. But Isabelle, you're going to soon find out she's not that smart. But because her wrists are handcuffed behind her back, she can't even slouch if she wants to. She's wearing this white T shirt, she's got very curly hair and she almost has this very baby face. And she looks bored. She's sitting on the left side of the back of the cop car. The back door to the right side opens and she just casually looks over. She's not on high alert, she's not anxious, she's not looking around frantically. And she just leans, leans her head to the side. Excuse me, are we going to the same one? We don't really see him, but you can assume it's a police officer and he's clarifying. What do you mean? Same one, same jail? Yeah, yeah, yeah, you are. Another girl starts sitting in the backseat of the same police car and she's got bright red hair, she's wearing a tiny little tank top and she also has her hands handcuffed behind her back. And both of them instantly, the minute that the red haired girl, her butt touches the bottom of the seat, they look at each other and they start giggling. They're like, yeah. And they just start cackling. They're looking at each other like we're about to be in the same jail. 15 year old Isabel Valdez and 14 year old Lois Lippert are sitting next to each other in the back of this police car. And for the next 30 minutes. I mean, I don't know how they're gonna come back from the next 30 minutes. This is immediately after both of them are arrested on their high school campus, Lake Brantley High School in Florida, where they were planning to kill a classmate in one of the school bathrooms. Lois says, dude, they pulled the security cameras and stuff and they got to see us walking out. I know they saw. Mind you, the police are in the front driving. So this, they're not alone in the backseat of the police car, which even then they should know that they're being recorded Lois is like, yeah, that was the first time I actually seen like I actually, I wanted to see more. I was like, well look, I'm on the cameras there. It was so cool. I was like, damn, I forgot that there's just like videos like that. Yeah. Later, Lois, the red haired girl looks at Isabelle and she has this moment and this look in her eyes and she goes, this is such a bonding experience. I love it. This is, I mean it's like back to back all 30 minutes. We're going to go through all 30 minutes. But it gets really intense. At one point, Lois is trying to get a glimpse of her reflection and she's trying to see, see what she looks like right now. Isabelle glances over, oh, you trying to look good for your mug shot? Oh shit. Am I gonna get a mug shot? Well, we're going to jail. What do you think? Oh yeah, that's crazy, dude. I was gonna do my makeup this morning for the mug shot, but I couldn't find anything. Yeah, I'm glad I actually don't look bad today. Isabelle rests her head on the back of the little headrest in the backseat and she's complaining, I look horrible. It's over. Don't worry, you're gonna be the butch lesbian in jail. It doesn't matter if you look good. Hey, at least they're gonna see me in some way or another in that mugshot. And later Lois brings up, you think I'm gonna be able to fix my hair or you think I'll be in prison in handcuffs? Yeah, probably still handcuffs. Really? But don't you like have to hold that number thing? I think that's only in the stupid shows like in the it's so stupid. And they talk about how they're so glad that at least red haired girl Lois, her hair looks good and she dyed it before this incident. And at some point Isabelle and Lois, they start talking about how they're gonna get out of jail sooner than later because quote, not a school shooting at least. Yeah, we'd be in prison for life. Yeah, because the whole point of this was not that they were gonna shoot up their school. No, the whole point was they were going to kill their classmates to bring a school shooter back from the dead. This is the case of 15 year old Isabel Valdez and 14 year old Lois Lipperton, Foreign. We would like to thank today's sponsors who have made it possible for Rotten Mango to support Sandy Hook Promise, a national nonprofit founded by loved ones of victims who were killed at Sandy Hook Elementary. Their mission is to take action in schools, homes, communities, all in an effort to help prevent gun violence and further losses of life. This episode's partnerships have also made it possible to support Rotten Mango's team of dedicated researchers, and we'd also like to thank you guys for your continued support. As always, full show notes are available @rotten mango podcast.com Today's episode discusses in depth severe severe eating disorders as well as multiple instances of gun violence in schools. Additionally, on a smaller note, we do touch heavily upon controversial topics of certain online forums and sub communities that glorify school shooters and mass killers. And all of the opinions expressed represent netizen comments that are publicly available online and we're only sharing them in an effort to provide context to this case. In no way does this represent any of our own beliefs. In addition to the mention of severe eating disorders, there's also discussion of other mental health conditions. The people involved in today's case do not represent these communities, and this episode is not a generalization of any of these conditions. Today's case is also still ongoing with many updates and if there are any major ones, especially when the trial upcoming, we're going to pin them in the comment below. Lastly, quotes may be condensed or combined for brevity and with that being said, let's get into it. You can't just resurrect someone. On top of that, the mere definition of resurrection is too vague. The definition of resurrection could also be changed based on who you talk to, what they believe in. But interestingly enough, resurrections are pretty much in every recorded religion culture. Apparently it is a story that humans love bringing someone back from the dead, but there's also different types of resurrections. You have a resurrection proper. This is when the soul comes back to the original body. Literally, somebody dies, they come back to life. This is not a near death experience like oh, I almost died, I redlined, you know, I was code red. No, you, you were dead. And then you come back to life in the original body you have been resurrected. The second one is a bit more aligned with reincarnations, which is a soul comes back but in a different or new body. Now I will say a lot of people believe that you can come back in a new human body, that you are born again with a new life. But some people, a small group of people, believe that you can actually come back through a body that is not new. This is where all the fantasy horror movies come into play. They take heavy inspiration from having someone take over another person's body and be able to control their human form. Then there's resurrection to deification. Obviously that's not applicable to today's case, but you pass as a human, you die as a human, but you are now raised to divine status. You sometimes you can bypass the death part and become a God of some sort, but usually there is a dying, whether it's symbolic or literal. But clearly we're not talking about deification or religious resurrections. I would not be well versed enough to touch on that even in the slightest. Nor do I think it's my place. However, the point being, humans love a good story of resurrections. It's like embedded into so many of our stories. So much so that even if you're not religious, probably the idea of digging someone up from their final resting place feels uneasy because most people have a belief that there is a soul and that soul is going to be at unrest if you dig them up. And if there's a soul out there, then aren't you just one step away from trying to bring that soul back into a human form when. Which is not me saying that resurrections are real and that they're feasible. I tend to think the opposite. Even if I were a billionaire, I wouldn't be a cryo chamber buddy with Walt Disney because I feel that I am skeptical of modern day resurrections and immortality messaging. 15 year old Isabel Valdez, 14 year old Lois Lippert. They want to resurrect someone from the dead by offering up one of their classmates in return by performing what they called a blood oath. I do want to preface this all by saying I strongly believe that Isabel and Lois are both plagued by the incurable disease that is stupidity. Nothing they do or think makes any sense at all. They are the type of individuals that make you want to actively fight overpopulation. Not only are they stupid and reckless, they are very aggressive with it. It's an aggressive IQ problem. I think they wanted to resurrect someone with a blood oath not because they know what either of those two things mean. Not that that would even change anything. But they strike me as the type of people that feel like it sounds edgy, so they're going to do it. Their combined lack of thought as they move through life could be almost a tad bit silly had their actions not been so destructive. But their whole idea, according to the police reports, is this. It's all going to happen after a second period. That's when they're going to kill their classmate. Now the identity of the 15 year old boy has been thankfully concealed. I'm just going to use the name John for John Doe. No relation to this case, just John. To make it simple, instead of saying redacted every two seconds. According to the court documents, the plan is this. Isabel is going to the upstairs bathroom after second period. That's where she's going to wait for John to pass. And she knows that John is going to pass because she's been stalking John for the past like three months of her life. Every day at school. She knows what route he takes, what hallways he takes, which classes he has. She's going to wait for John, and when he walks by, which he always does, she's going to pull him inside to the bathroom, drag him into the largest stall and quote he. Isabel stated she would then stab him in the stomach or cut his throat. She even brought a knife with her, a kitchen knife. The police ask her, describe the knife to me. It's just a regular kitchen knife. This is Isabel responding. It's just a regular kitchen knife. How big is the knife? About 12 inches long. She had already tried sharpening the knife earlier that morning in school. So before second period, she's already trying to sharpen the knife. That's one of the first things that she does when she gets to school. Friday morning, January 23, 2026. So this is like very recent. She tries sharpen the knife. The police are asking her, how were you trying to sharpen the knife? I try to saw it back and forth on the toilet seat to sharpen it. So she's in one of the bathroom stalls just playing the violin with a knife and a toilet seat. Her friend Lois is helping her trying to sharpen this knife. It's not working on the toilet seat. So they try. You know those metal railings that make it easier for you to get up, that you hold on to in bathrooms? They're trying to use the metal railing to sharpen the knife? No. Lois even brought additional supplies. Isabelle brought Clorox wipes, a trash bag, a knife, a yellow microfiber towel. They're like, why'd you need the microfiber towel? Well, in case I needed to muffle him to cover his mouth. Lois, red haired girl. Lois, would you bring. She brought a chocolate bar, Dr. Pepper gloves, cigarettes, a lighter, and some flowers. The police are like one of those? No, like floral. Oh, what were the flowers for? Isabel tells the officers that she wanted to leave the flowers for John's funeral. Okay. What about the cigarettes? Why did you ask Lois to bring you cigarettes? Isabel says that she wanted to smoke the two cigarettes after Killing John because she knew that she would be arrested. So she wanted to smoke before going to jail. Now, side note, she's not even a smoker. She just wants to smoke because she's never smoked before and she knew that she was going to get arrested. So what better time than now to smoke a cigarette? But why John? Like we know that Isabel has this plan to resurrect a school attacker via a blood oath, AKA first degree murder. She just has a plan to kill an innocent classmate. That's all she has. But why John? John and Isabel have zero interactions. They have zero conflicts, conversations. John doesn't even know that Isabel exists really. But Isabel says it's because John looks just like Adam Lanza, the Sandy Hook shooter, the one that she's trying to resurrect. Her quote, soulmate. Very early in the morning of January 23, 2026. So that's the Friday morning. There's this website called Fortify Florida where students can submit tips of anything dangerous that's being planned or happening in schools. It's completely anonymous, so you don't feel like a snitch. It's supposed to get forwarded to the appropriate administrators, to the police. And this anonymous tape comes in Friday morning before class starts. A 15 year old friend of mine who is trans with a preferred name of Jimmy, told me that he's going to kill somebody we know from school by the name of redacted John. Which side note, we always use preferred names and pronouns on this channel. And while it does appear that Isabel would go by the name of Jimmy with some of her classmates, she seems to only mention going by Jimmy and being a trans boy to the police. When it feels a little bit convenient, it almost, almost feels like an effort to distance herself from the crime. Coupled with the fact that the judge, prosecutors, mainstream media outlets, police, they've all been referring to Isabel with she, her pronouns and her name Isabel, without any further clarification from Isabel. So Isabel even writes letters to the judge using Isabel Valdez. And also, side note, Isabel pretended to be an advocate against gun violence and supported Sandy Hook support groups on Facebook. So she just strikes me me as a rage baiter and a troll. So for that reason, we're just going to be referring to her as Isabella for the time being. But this tip comes in. A 15 year old friend of mine who is trans with the preferred name of Jimmy told me that he's going to kill somebody we know from school by the name of John. He stated that he would do it tomorrow. Okay, this is like middle of the night. It's basically Friday, but I would assume that this kid didn't go to sleep right. This conversation happened just a couple of hours ago. I have a great suspicion that he's going to do this. He's already been recently involved with police officers at school about threats that we've been getting towards our school. He knows the people who have made the threats and the cops are also aware of this. He also told me earlier today that the cops had confiscated his phone as they got another threat, which apparently was one of the reasons why he wants to do something like this. I'm not sure about Jimmy's legal name since I never call him by his legal name, but by memory it might be Isabel. A few hours later, Isabel and Lois are in the back of the police car giggling about going to the same jail. And Isabel starts getting giddy at this idea because she had had last night told one of her guy friends about this whole ordeal that she was planning. And she's so excited at the idea that the police are also going to search his phone and he's going to get in trouble because he never reported any of this. Okay, she doesn't know someone ratted her out? No, she's telling Lois. Red haired girl, Lois. Oh my God. Lois is just giggling. I don't know what's so funny. I told him, he knew. He didn't report me. I told him already. I thought he did a tip. Lewis is like, I thought he did a tip. He did a tip. Yeah, there was a tip shown. Did you not see someone tipped? He fucking snitched. Lois clarifies it was an anonymous tip, but I was just assuming based off the writing. Oh my God. I knew I shouldn't have told him because he was like, oh, can you please tell me? I can't sleep tonight. Fuck you. God. This is when she finds out that someone tipped off the police. And Lois is clarifying. Yeah, I got shown the tip and it was like, my friend, a 15 year old named Jimmy is planning to kill some dude. Yeah, it was like, I don't really remember their real name, but I think it was Isabelle and they spelt it wrong too. And Isabelle is just having this whole conniption, God, what a fucking snitch. 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Red haired Lois responds, well, I'll probably be Eric, because Eric obviously gets it in the ass. So Lois, red haired Lois is going to role play Eric, one of the Columbine shooters. And Isabelle is going to be Dylan, another one of the Columbine shooters. Isabelle starts doing this unsettling but also very bizarre role playing session in the car. And mind you, there's still two police officers officers in the front. Isabel says, okay, hey Eric. Fuck off, Klebold. Hey Kitty, please talk to me. You probably don't even know about kmfdm. Which. Side note, KMFDM is a German industrial rock band that Eric was a huge fan of. And it's almost become, unfortunately for the band, synonymous with this weird glorifying school attacker aesthetic. People who don't even like KMFDM music will purchase KMFDM shirts to wear because they think they're in the aesthetic of Eric and Dylan. I don't know what aesthetic that is dead. Okay? But Isabelle is like, yeah I do. Flashes off my KMFDM shirt. So she, she's like inserting the motions of role playing. She's like, yeah, I know the band flashes off my KMFDM shirt. Lois, AKA Eric, turns to her and is like, whoa, you know about kmfdm? Um, yeah. I feel something in my pants. Hahaha. Isabelle says, hey, what if, what if I have my Jewish babies inside of you? I hate insert derogatory term for Jewish people. No. What's wrong with you? Eric, Please, please, please. Okay, fine. And Isabel hits her with a sticks it up your butt. And then at some point, Isabel gets distracted mid roleplay, gets distracted looking out the window and goes, hey, my sister goes to therapy over there. I'm so lost right now. Let me give you some context. There is a small but very scary group of people on the Internet that idolize the Columbine shooters, Eric and Dylan. Basically, they call themselves Columbiners, and they will make fan edits of Dylan and Eric with sad songs and captions like, good night, Rip my babies. And they're not saying rip to all the victims whose lives were lost during the Columbine attack. They're saying Rip my babies to Dylan and Eric. They're called Columbiners. And they obsess over making edits of the dead killers with either Europop songs or Pumped Up Kicks. And they tell others that Eric is the cuter one. It's very reminiscent of the Wade Wilson case, where people felt like they could save Wade Wilson just because, what, he's tall, he has cartoonish face tattoos, and has the same name as a Marvel character? It's so idiotic, to the point where I don't even think that I can describe in a way that would do it justice how dumb this whole thing is. He also killed two people, Wade Wilson, so stop the nonsense. Columbiners are consistently one of the groups that get booted from practically every social media platform because they're Columbiners. And the Columbine tragedy has sadly become this entry point for people to start romanticizing and resonating with mass killers. One netizen points out, columbine is constantly portrayed as the ultimate archetype of outcast getting revenge against society. Therefore, disenfranchised edgelords start viewing the shooters as inspiration. In reality, Eric and Dylan were just assholes with very, very hateful mentalities. It's created this very alarming subculture of people who most likely post gore in their discords. Like, that's kind of the general subgroup that we're talking about subculture now. Side note, even the idea that the two killers were bullied, I mean, first of all, that's hardly sort of any sort of justification or sympathy point. So many people have been bullied. They don't go on to kill innocent people. But even that has been highly debated. Many say that they were bullied, but also they went on to bully others. Others say that they were barely bullied. They just used it as a reason to hate humankind. And then most people agreed that if they were bullied, they were not bullied any worse than how they bullied others even before the killings. So I understand that there might be a. Want to understand what was happening in the minds of these two killers. But it's very alarming to relate more to the killers than to the victims. Just because the killers were rejected by society. No, felt they were rejected by society. Dylan and Eric. And the only reason that I'm talking even slightly in depth about either of them is because it's. It's pretty pertinent to this case. But Dylan and Eric, they left behind what is now referred to as the basement tapes. They documented their process on planning the entire attack on their school. They have, thankfully, these basement tapes in its entirety, thankfully have not been released to the public. There has been a lot of pushback over the years. A lot of people want these basement tapes to be released so that they can armchair psychoanalyze the actions of the two killers, stating that it would give the general public a better understanding of why the killers did what they did. And I personally don't think that they should ever be released. I think it would just give Columbiners more materials for their weird edits and spawn even more copycats and further traumatized victims and their families. And that is if they even still have the basement tapes. From what I understand, Jefferson County Sheriff's Department has destroyed the basement tapes years ago. I do think that perhaps federal agencies could hold copies, but I'm not entirely sure. But all of this leads to the Columbiner fandom. There is an overlap with another fandom and the fact that I'm calling it a fandom makes me want to pull my hair out. The dumbass Columbiners. There's a bit of an overlap to a fandom that is obsessed with this indie film called Zero Day. It's a found footage style film and it opens with two guys, they're vlogging. So the whole time it's like a vlog, an extended vlog. The last few minutes there's CCTV footage, but most of it is a vlog. And they're vlogging in front of a school saying, this is our high school located in our town. It's our worst enemy. It's our nemesis. There will be a series of missions followed by a big ass mission called Zero Day. The movie is about two high school students, Calvin or Cal and Andre. And they're going to be school shooters. It's very clearly inspired by Columbine. Even the two characters. It seems like Cal is based on Dylan and Andre being Eric. There is a lot of Praise around the film centered around how real it felt, with movie clips often being mistaken for real footage from Columbine, which is conflicting. But people state that they watch the movie, and they've become even more passionate about gun reform because it's left such an unsettling feeling in their hearts. I imagine that's the ultimate mission of the filmmakers. However, a lot of Columbiners have created a miserable subculture around zero day BND film as well. They would make fan art, fan edits. I mean, granted, it's a fictional movie, but it's. It's so closely resembling the Columbine tragedy that I find it hard to understand how you can make fan edits of these two fictional characters and how you can become obsessed with them, especially when they're still school shooters at the end of the day. Even in the fictional plot, like, nobody watches Criminal Minds and starts making fan edits of one of the pedophiles depicted in this fictional show just because it's fictional. It's still unsettling. And again, this is not the group of people who felt like this movie was deeply touching in a sense of. It was so startling, it was so. It was so poignant. And they fell in love with the actors, the individuals who depicted the characters. It's not that these are fans who fixate on Cal and Andre as the school attackers. They don't care about the actors. They don't care about how the film made them feel. They just want to make fan edits of them, and it's primarily just offensive. Wannabe edgelord Sloth top. So you say the two girls wanted to bring back Adam Lanza, who's the Sandy Hook shooter. So they just love every school shooters, Is that right? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And that whole role playing, is that just like a thing they do to, like, a game they commonly play? It seems like it. It seems like this is how they talk on Discord. And within this niche of zero day fans, they have a group of people that like fan art and a group of that will make fan art for these people. Artists who would draw fan art of Cal and Andre. And there was one that was somewhat well known on Tumblr by the name of Fox Fever. Fox Fever is Lois Lippert. She actually has an extensive portfolio of drawing Zero day fan art. So the indie film fan art of Cal and Andre, loosely based off of Eric and Dylan. So what exactly does she draw like? She just draws the. I mean, she. Okay, I'm just gonna try to describe some of her art. I'm Gonna try to put some up in the video podcast, but it's pretty graphic. Some of them, it's. She will draw them making out. I mean, she's objectively not a bad artist. But her depictions are quite dark with one with Andre. He has blood dripping out of his mouth. He's stabbing his own stomach. Another shows Andre wearing a shirt that reads Natural Selection, which is what one of the Columbine attackers wore. Another shows Cal going down on Andre. Another one of them is of them hugging, kissing, where both of their mouths are filled with bl, harming each other with knives and finding satisfaction from it. One they're full on having intimate relations. And one where it appears that they are lovingly looking into each other's eyes while blood is spewing in the back, which you can kind of piece together that. That might be taken from a moment of inspiration, perhaps of how they were looking at each other while innocent lives are being taken by them. Another one that depicts Kal and Andre dead on the ground. But that drawing is very reminiscent of the Columbine killer's death photo that has been circulating. Yeah, Fox Fever. Lois Lippert would even animate her drawings. One shows Andre sitting there looking conflicted while Cal is screaming at him, why does it hurt to love you? Andre responds, I don't know. So it's really not that deep. But another drawing comes with the words, you can't cure somebody who has nothing wrong with them. She also liked to draw Elliot Rodgers, Jeffrey Dahmer, one of the academy maniacs, which is a Russian killer. So again, just like wannabe edgelord slop. But 14 year old Lois Lippert has also drawn very personal images of Isabel and John, the classmate that they were allegedly going to kill together. One drawing shows John sitting on the floor and his body language looks like he's backing away, trying to scoot away. And Isabelle is holding on to him, caressing his face and telling him he looks like a porcelain doll. How do we know who exactly she's drawing, though? Oh, because they tell the police. Oh, they explain their art. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you can kind of tell the facial features. So Cal and Andre are drawn in a very specific way all the time. With John, there's slight discrepancies where it's sometimes hard to tell whether she's drawing Adam Lanza or John, but most of the time it's John, the actual student that they're trying to kill. Okay. Another drawing shows Isabelle being hugged, and on one side it's Adam Lanza, and on the other Side, it's John, and they're both kissing her on the cheek and the head. Then there's another one of John with a rope. Another one shows Isabel holding John. And the caption reads, take your hands off my neck and hold on to the ghost of my body. They're just trying to be dark and introspective and poetic. Isabelle is the artist. No, no, no. Okay, so she is drawing her friend. Yeah. Lois. Not herself. No. Lois red hair is drawing Isabelle with John, and Isabelle is the one that wants to kill John. Lois is just kind of here for the ride. She's like, I'll help you, essentially. So she's not like drawing herself? No. At all? No. Interesting. Okay, so she's drawing Isabel, she's drawing John, and she does take a lot of requests. There was apparently a DM from people who had messaged Lois Lippert, red haired girl, the artist previously, and were like, hey, can you draw this for me? And she would say, you have to go through Jimmy first, which is Isabelle. So it seems like she does take requests. Then another one is Isabelle holding a guy's face to her chest. It looks like John, and she's hugging him. He looks very alarmed and not excited to be there. It's just odd. Another one depicts Isabel holding up a very thin, frail John up against the wall, like holding him up in the air while she's admiring him. Others show Isabel reaching down there, doing things to John. Another shows her performing intimate acts on Adam Lanza. One of the alarming drawings shows Isabelle and John dead on the ground. But the way they're laying on the ground, the clothing that they're wearing, the positioning of their bodies, where their arms are laying, it's basically again the Columbine shooter's death photo because both self exited in the library that day. It's a real photo, but it's drawn and it's replaced with Isabel and John instead of Eric and Dylan. Back in the police car, Isabel turns to Lois, the artist, the red haired girl. They also saw the drawings, the ones of Isabel and John, the student that they were trying to allegedly kill. Right. And the ones of Isabel and Adam Lanza that Lois drew all of this for. And Lois doesn't even seem that alarmed. She just says, oh, yeah, I told them about that. I told them. I was like, yeah, I did some weird drawings. Yeah, they made me tell them everything that was in the drawings. Ooh, can you remind me of the drawings? Let. Let me just know what they went through. Like, did they comment on anything like this? Is really good. Yeah. They said you're quite the artist and I was like, no, that's my friend. Lord. You guys know we love Shopify. My family and I were able to make a lifelong dream come true after launching Grandpa Mango's Art Studio. Sharing my husband's grandfather's art with all of you and that is something that we could not have done without Shopify. Shopify is the commerce platform behind millions of businesses around the world and 10% of all E commerce in the United States. 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This is not like I know if you're watching this video, you're like, oh, I've never heard of tcc. There's a reason for it. We are not talking about the Redditors who are on Unsolved Mysteries, who are on 48 hours, who are watching Dateline going into rabbit holes. That's not what you typically refer to as tcc. TCC is more aligned with people who glorify mass murderers, typically the ones that attack schools to the point that it's almost synonymous with the Columbine community, which is basically Columbiners. To give you another example, I was falling into some weird rabbit holes. Like they're the ones that are making, you know, the Vietnamese butcher case that we covered recently. They're making fan romantic edits of the killer and the victim falling in love whilst in the act of the crime. You could be listening to this podcast, you could be watching Dateline and never see a TCC edit in your lifetime on any of your algorithms, because it's not, there's not necessarily an overlap. To give you an idea, one person Comments I remember when I was younger I tried to join tcc, think it was Internet sleuths, but it was just a bunch of people saying mass shooters were hot. And I was very disappointed. Another one writes, the TCC is so fucking lame these days. I remember when people actually studied cases and had genuine interest in criminology. These days it's just, ooh, I want XYZ murderer to breed me. They make edits of Adam Lanza saying, I love Adam. He's so silly and quirky. They like to justify killers and their actions with blanket statements like, but we all make mistakes. He was just being quirky. They'll edit killers with halos as if they're in heaven. Some of them will even go as far to write about how they think one of the killers. And I'm not going to name them specifically because I don't really care to name more than necessarily in this episode, but they write about how one of these random school attackers would make a good boyfriend. Because by the way, this is someone who killed over a dozen students. But they write first. I think he would be very clingy and affectionate. He literally wouldn't ever get his head turned by any other girl. He'd be so focused and set on his girlfriend. This is a positive and also maybe a negative. It may be overwhelming and and overbearing sometimes. He'd be quirky for sure, which I guess is a good thing. Depends on how you define quirky. He would have very different interests. I'm sure he would be very different from the usual guys that you would meet. I think he would sometimes come off as aggressive in heated moments, but then afterwards apologize profusely to his girlfriend in case he upset her. I think personally speaking he'd be a nice boyfriend, but it would take someone open minded and caring to understand that he's different. And different isn't necessarily bad that he's a mass killer. Another one writes on a picture of Dylan, one of the Columbine killers. I will never understand the girls that turn Dylan down. Cuz damn, I'd beg God on my knees to even be near him. Those girls don't even know how lucky they truly were. There's even Dillrich Shippers. These are Dylan and Eric Shippers, who, I can't believe these words are coming out of my mouth. Who shipped Dylan and Eric the Columbine killer? And then there's Adam Lanza, who to bypass all of the algorithms on social media. Lots of people will do like hashtag Adam Lasagna, which is what they call Adam Lanza and they post so that they don't get banned on these platforms. He's the Sandy Hook shooter. He killed 20 first graders and six educators and then self exited when law enforcement arrived at the school. One person writes, whenever I think too hard about Adam dying in the fetal position, it makes me want to throw up. He was seeking comfort and connection even in the very end, despite denying himself of it in life. Life? Are you brain dead? Sometimes I think about who the person was to prepare Adam for cremation and if they treated his body with respect. It's going to sound freaky, but I wish I could have had just a moment with his body not to do anything gross, but just to feel how frail he was and how he would never had even had the chance to get better, even if he didn't go through with his plan again. Same killer who killed 26 people. 27 if you count his mother that he killed before going to Sandy Hook. He's also the one that had this very rambling video essay rant. It's like six hours long. It was miserable to get through. But he says, if you've ever known to have engaged in a pedophile relationship with a child, you're instantly imprisoned for prolonged periods. You're brutalized in prison, and people actually celebrate that as if it's a good thing. And then if you're lucky enough to escape prison with your life, you're on a sex offender registry, you're possibly castrated, you're tracked with a GPS device in some instances. And there are just so many issues that PDF files that everyone seems to think it's not a problem at all. It's somehow justified that they're treated in that manner. And you have to develop such extensive arguments just to refute that delusion that somehow having with children is harmful to them innately. Basically, he's a PDF file defender. And people are commenting. He's so intelligent and cute. He was so smart. I miss him every second of my life. I cry over Adam at least twice a week. Week. Isabel Valdez was one of those people who liked Adam Lanza. Her Facebook cover photo is a memorial banner for Sandy Hook, which is a sign that reads Sandy Hook Elementary School. We will remember. Previously, it was Columbine High School. Heart Sandy Hook Elementary School. Her Facebook bio reads gun safety advocate. 12 13. 2012. 28 dove emoji. 28 dove emoji. She's referring to Sandy Hook and 28. That includes Adam Lanza, which nobody includes him in that count. Some people don't even include his mom in that account because they feel that she failed to get her son the help that he clearly needed and more or less gave him easy access to firearms. But Isabel is counting Adam Lanza, 28 dove emoji. According to police documents. She tells the assistant principal that the morning that she's caught because of this whole tip, like a few hours before she killed John, that her victim is John because he's perfect. He reminds her of Adam Lanza and that she heard voices telling her that if she kills John, she and Adam Lanza would have this blood bond and it would bring Adam Lanza back to life. The police report reads, Isabel went on to Say that after she killed John, she was going to make a blood ritual for Adam Lanza. I asked Isabel what was her intent when she said she was going to make a blood ritual. Isabel stated she was going to take the photos she brought of John, place them against his body. Isabel stated that she was going to try and wipe John's blood, you know, even though he's bleeding. And then she stated that she asked Lois for an extra shirt so she could put it on John's body. No one knows what any of this means. Like, this feels like the weirdest, bizarrely strung together crime. Isabel believes this blood ritual would show her devotion to Lanza. Isabel stated that she heard voices saying if she carried out killing, John Lanza's voice would come back to her. Isabel stated that she used to hear Adam Lanza's voice, but no longer does. And she misses Lanza's voice quite a bit. And it's disappointing that she never got that connection again. And she believes that if she kills John, Lanza would come back to her and she wouldn't be alone. Isabel advised that while she was sitting in class, one of her online friends pleaded with her not to follow through with her plan, but she was intent on killing John. So do we know, like, what happened? Someone. Someone tipped the police. And the police just showed up at the school and they. Yes. So someone tips the police, and the administrators also get the same tip. Later, Isabel and Lois have already showed up at the school. They're going through their classes as normal. The whole plan is to take place after second period, but before then, they're like, we gotta sharpen the knife. So they've already gone to the bathroom, scoped it out, tried sharpening the knife, and then they went back to class. Administrators get the tip, and they're like, we gotta pull Isabel out of the class. How do they know it's Isabelle? Because at the very end it said her government name, I think, is like, Isabel. Right. So they pull Isabel out of class, they bring her into the administrator's office, and the assistant principal is asking her a shit ton of questions before the police even get there. The police are on their way. They make it there, and they arrest her and Lois. So they put Isabel out, and Isabel just straight up start telling them everything. Yeah. And she's like, all the stuff is in my backpack and I am going to kill him. Yeah. And she was like, because I wanted to bring back Adam Lanza. They immediately get placed in the back of the police car where for the next 30 minutes, they do damage That I don't think a defense attorney could ever undo. That's so crazy. They have no. Do you believe they were going to go through with it? Yeah. Isabelle even clarifies in her written statement to the police later that the whole blood oath, because, I mean, not that it. Not that making sense would make it better or understandable or justifiable. Obviously not. But it just. It's so poorly executed and thought out, it doesn't even make sense to people. So she's trying to clarify. Well, the blood oath was going to happen because she was going to drink John's blood and then smear his blood on her body. That would be the blood oath. Even in her written statement, she writes like this. I was planning to possibly smear his blood on myself and. Or drink it. I wanted to take photos afterwards, then leave his body in the bathroom and give the camera SD card card to Lois Lippert. I was going to do it because I heard voices telling me that if I did it to show my devotion, Adam would come back and speak to me like before. Heart. She's writing hearts. In this police written statement, John also didn't do anything. He had no interactions with Isabel. He never spoke with her. There was no conflict. They never fought. Like he is just picked as a victim purely because Isabel felt like he looked like Adam and that Adam is Isabel's soulmate. The police report states that From September of 2025 to January of 2020, this. So the span of a few months, Isabel has been diligently stalking John. She's been taking pictures of him. Prosecutors eventually find over 200 photographs of John in Isabel's possession, according to the police report. I asked Isabel when she started taking the photos of John. September. I asked her, you know, where she was when she took all these photos. And she said that they were all taken at school. She would wait in the areas where she knew that he would be and would sometimes go there and just take photos waiting for him to show up. She would wait for John to past her and she never tried to make it known that she's taking pictures of him. So he would have his back turned her and she would take all these photos. But it continues. What did you do with the photos? Did you post them anywhere? She's like, yeah, I posted them on my tik tok. My TikTok handle is I love Sandy Hook. You're kidding me. In Isabelle's journal, she's contemplating heavily whether or not John, her classmate victim, knows that she's obsessed with him. And she's trying to work through her thoughts. Thoughts in a very weird fashion. It appears that she's passing notes with, I want to say Lois. Most likely Lois, or it could be really any one of her other classmates. But Isabelle writes, do you think he actually switched out of this class? Like, I feel like she wouldn't have even put the ticket. Like, maybe he's just skipping because I creeped him out. So she's like, is he skipping class because I creeped him out, or did he switch out of this class because I creeped him out? And she's like, most likely he is. I doubt it. He doesn't even know my name. I mean, probably didn't even read her. Like, I. I just keep thinking I need to stop thinking. He'll probably just avoid me because it wasn't that weird. So we don't have any context, but it's pretty clear that she's like, oh, I'm kind of creeping this guy out. Someone writes back on the note, I honestly think he's just skipping, but maybe he's in the process of getting something against you. I hope he doesn't get a restraining order. Isabelle writes, no, he would have already told his mom. I've been doing it for like two weeks. Most likely when he turns around sometimes times. So this sounds like taking pictures. Like, I do it when he's turned around. Isabelle's friend writes back, but maybe he did notice all the other times you were following and filming him when he turned around, like, staring at us? No, like when I get personal shots when I'm alone. It's just when he's turned around. On our Tumblr account, Isabelle used to write things about John. Like, he smiles, like Dylan looks like. Adam is absolute perfection. He's the perfect example of what can be made. He looks like a doll. I adore him. I'm in the worst parasocial relations with him. And Fox has been drawing me art of us. I've been following him around and whatnot. But she tells the officers that she resisted killing him because, quote, I first came up with the plan approximately three months ago, but I resisted the urge to follow through with the plan. And I would just tell myself, I have to stop thinking like that. But it clearly doesn't work because January 23, 2026, she is arrested for trying to kill John. That is where I leave you with the first audio part of this episode. Stay tuned for the second audio part. It's coming asap. But this is. We're going to go through the rest of the car ride the letter that Isabelle writes to the judge. They're almost excuses for why they did what they did and their deep obsession with everything. We're going to get into that in part two. Stay tuned and I'll see you in the next one. Stay safe. Traditional home security only alerts you after a break in, and that's to let Simplisafe is changing that. Stop. This is SimpliSafe. Police are on the way. We don't just alert, we stop crime before it starts. 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