Unnamed Co-Host (7:10)

And that's like a charge that everyone thought is going to be guilty. Right, Cassandra?

Unnamed Host (7:14)

Everyone thought if he doesn't get rico, he's going to get sex trafficking of Cassie Ventura, transportation for purposes of prostitution related to Cassandra Ventura. Guilty. There's no reaction. The deputy and the foreperson continue. As for sex trafficking of Jane, how do you find the defendant? Not guilty. Diddy at this point has now broken out into full smiles because those were the three biggest charges. So count one, count two, and count four. So three is the transportation across state lines for prostitution. That's like a very. That's a very minor charge compared to everything else in his counts. The RICO charge, the sex trafficking charges, one against Cassie and one against Jane. These are his major charges. He was just found not guilty of his major charges. So everything else, it doesn't really matter. This is like a huge win. This is everything he probably wanted. A little short of getting acquitted of all the charges, everybody is breaking out into smiles. All of his adult children, they brought. I mean, some of them brought their partners, their girlfriends. A lot of the mother of his children were there. I think the only person not there was his youngest child, who is an infant, obviously. Teddy Garagos is like, tightly gripping Sean Combs his hand. They seem friendly. They seem close. Transportation for prostitution for Jane. Guilty. As the four person is reading the verdict, looking exclusively towards the judge, the remaining 11 jurors are like just stone cold faces. Like, you can't really read their expression. None of them were really looking at Diddy. They're just kind of listening and waiting. Meanwhile, Diddy is like nodding at them, trying to get them to make eye contact with him. And he's like trying to mouth thank you almost. He does at one point. And it's a very interesting. I mean, it just. The whole feeling of this verdict is like an escalation to mass goosebumps. I mean, there's not like this. Every single charge that's read out, it felt more eerie. Everybody has goosebumps. And I don't mean eerie in, like, the negative sense of the word. It just felt strange. I think a lot of people had vastly different reactions. And I am choosing not to use the word eerie because I think a lot of people were very happy with the verdict. A lot of people were very unhappy with the verdict. So to use eerie across the whole courtroom is odd. It's just like a. It's an un indescribable sensation of a weird energy. You just start feeling goosebumps the entire time. You feel like you're shaking, even though this technically has nothing to do with you. Like this isn't your life, this isn't your family member's life, but it feels weird. I don't know if it's the energy that's rubbing off and the tension is just so high strung. I think at this point, all of the past two months have accumulated to this very moment. From the angle that we are sitting on, you can't really see the prosecutors. So it's very hard to get a read of what they're thinking, how they're reacting. But I'm assuming that it was not a pleasant day for them.

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Unnamed Co-Host (13:46)

He should be all on bail.

Unnamed Host (13:48)

Yes, that's what they're proposing. I believe they proposed like a million dollar bond and a bunch of other things that they sent in a letter that's on the docket for this case. The government is opposing this. They're saying, absolutely not. We are going to seek that. Not only does he stay in jail before sentencing, but probably during sentencing. They're going to go after maximum for these two charges, which is 10 years each. He's not Going to get it, but.

Unnamed Co-Host (14:12)

So they're proposing, like, 20 years.

Unnamed Host (14:14)

Yeah.

Unnamed Co-Host (14:15)

Together.

Unnamed Host (14:15)

Yeah. They're aggressively fighting back of like, no, absolutely not. The judge says he needs some time to think about it. They're going to send in their proposals, and he's going to take everything into consideration. He. He leaves the bench, and the court is temporarily adjourned as everybody is standing for the judge. As he walks off, Tenney puts her arm around Diddy's shoulder, gives him a squeeze. Diddy's chair gets pushed a little bit back, and he turns around to his family. He falls to his knees. He rests his elbows on the chair that he was just sitting at. So he's facing the gallery. He's facing the back of the courtroom, and he just shuts his eyes in, like a prayer, and he's praying. It seems like a really long time. I don't know if it's just the way that time works in a courtroom at these high, tense moments. It felt like an eternity. It could have been three seconds. It could have been a minute. Mark Agniflo is looking at him. He looks very pleased. Teni has tears in her eyes. It appears that they're really close because Sean Combs was close with Mark Garagos.

Unnamed Co-Host (15:15)

Her dad.

Unnamed Host (15:16)

Her dad, yeah. So she starts crying to the point where she does have to dab tissues on her eyes. And all of his defense team, the attorneys, they're all giving each other hugs in the entire courtroom. It just kind of erupts into cheers at this point. Judge Arun, Father Arun is off the bench. So it's not like they're doing this in his presence, because that would be highly unlikely. But, I mean, people are cheering. People are clapping, people are whooping. It's like. It's so dramatic. And they're cheering as he's on his knees, and he just slowly stands up from his knees very dramatically, as if he's, like, rising from the ashes. It feels very cinematic for what. And it was just the weirdest moment. And he starts hugging his defense team members. He's cheering, saying, thank you, I love you to his family, who are clapping back, yelling, crying. The defense attorneys are, like, huddled together, like they just won a championship. And you just see a lot of the members of the public who are also in the courtroom, they're erupting in cheers. They're all excited. You could literally the goosebumps. Even if you do not agree with the verdict, there's something about the energy inside of that courtroom that it just feels strange. It's just like A lot of energy. So with that, court is adjourned for them to figure out if Diddy is going to be released on bond, if he is going to be technically a somewhat free man until sentencing. And even at sentencing, he still might be a free man if he gets no jail time. And when you walk out of this courtroom, it's not even just the energy in the courtroom, the energy outside the courthouse. Like, if you thought it was strange the first week or two of trial, which was probably the most intense two weeks, it is crazy. There are people outside chanting free puff. There's people outside wearing matching T shirts. Some of them read, frico is not a rico.

Unnamed Co-Host (17:16)

Oh, yeah, I saw that. Yeah, that was given out by his best friend, right?

Unnamed Host (17:20)

Yeah. So they're like wearing matching T shirts. There is one very famous tik tok talker who had taken his shirt off and people were rubbing baby oil on him. There are people live streaming at every, like cross section of. Outside this courthouse. People are getting into fights because at this point it seems like a lot of the live streamers have split into two camps. One camp that believed that Diddy was going to be found guilty on all charges. One camp that was very pro Diddy and wanted to quote Free Puff. So those have been almost like it's like a war. Outside the courthouse, Doug Wigter, Cassie's attorney, is walking out. We're trying to get like videos of him. He's just like walking out. The press are running up to him. Donaldson, Nicole, Westmoreland walk out at one point and they're not really saying much. The attorneys are probably going to give a formal statement maybe around the time that this video goes up, if not like right before this video goes up. I'm trying to time it well, but it's interesting. So we're, I mean, they're going to be happy. If anyone is coming out of this a winner aside from Diddy, I, it's going to be his defense team. There's fights still breaking out outside. And what's interesting is you would think that a lot of the public would be fighting between the pro Diddy supporters and the not supporters of Diddy. But a lot of it is actually people who support Diddy fighting each other. There's like one person who's screaming and upset and is like, these people weren't here every day that I was here supporting Diddy. So why are they suddenly showing up to support Diddy? And a lot of people are just like, I think you need a job because this is crazy to be arguing about. They don't even know Diddy personally. So, like, what is happening outside the courthouse? It's literally just mayhem. It's chaos. Like, it doesn't even make sense. I think, like, we're still having a hard time comprehending anything that's just happened, and everyone's talking about what's going to happen next. So here's what we know. He was not found guilty on rico. He was not found guilty on any sex trafficking charge. He was found guilty on count three and five, which are the transportation for prostitution charges. They are a maximum of 10 years each. That's just a sentencing guideline. By no means does Father Roon have to adhere to that. He could give him time served with probation. He could give him three years served concurrently, which means at the same time. So both charges, three years, but he really only spends three years in prison.

Unnamed Co-Host (19:43)

Because there's no minimum. Like, he could be walking out, right?

Unnamed Host (19:47)

He could get, like, just probation for five years. It's really all up to Father Arun at this point. Now, I'm sure he has a lot to take into consideration, like the fact that Deontay Nash and Cassie Ventura have both submitted letters to the judge today saying, hey, we don't feel safe if he is out on bail.

Unnamed Co-Host (20:05)

Oh, really?

Unnamed Host (20:06)

They were saying, we don't feel safe. We don't think other people are going to feel safe. I mean, the judge has a lot to take into consideration before he figures out what to do. Also, there is this thing where if. If he does let Diddy out on bond, there is a speculation that his attorneys are going to just drown the court with more motion so that they can push sentencing and then just. They're just going to try to lag it, which is going to be a big headache by this point. I mean, yes, he was found guilty on two charges, but this is probably the best outcome that he could have gotten from this case. I think a lot of people were surprised, and I think we're still having a hard time digesting everything that's happened. By the time that this video goes up, we will probably know if. If he's going to get out on bond or not. I'm going to leave it in the pinned comment, but I don't really know. I feel like I need to conclude this entire video with some sort of feeling or thoughts or opinions, and I don't really have ones that are going to sound new and introspective and fresh. I think the whole team and I have just been wrapping our minds around it. The verdict was surprising. But unsurprising at the same time, I think that we had a lot of faith in the Feds. I will say that throughout the moments, there were times throughout this entire trial, we would come home after a long court day, and there would be moments where I would say what just happened. And I think I mentioned it very briefly in a few episodes where I was like, when I'm there, I see the energy in the courtroom. I see the jurors responses to a lot of these questions. I could be misinterpreting their facial expressions. I feel like the defense is so great at controlling the narrative, controlling the emotions inside the courtroom, that I walk out and I'm like, what just happened, happened? I read the transcripts and I'm like, no, no, no. The government knows what they're doing, because this makes sense. On the transcript, everything is here. Like, the coercion. I can see it. I can feel it. To me personally, in my opinion, it's there. Right. But I think that. And we would try to comfort each other. Like, the team would be like, no, no, no. But the feds have such a crazy conviction rate. Like, they know what they're doing. They're so capable, which they are. But there were a lot of times where we were trying to wrap our heads around the fact that the defense team came off incredibly charismatic. And I know that maybe to people that haven't been inside of even this specific courtroom or like any courtroom, maybe it means nothing. Like, maybe this would have meant nothing to me prior to this trial. Being there in person, they come off charismatic. And I know a lot of people are gonna be like, okay, well, he's still a criminal. Like, I still don't like Diddy. What does his attorney's charisma have anything to do with it? But when you spend eight, nine hours in a cramp stamped courtroom with the same 20 people all day, every day, I'm sure that the jurors care about who's likable.

Unnamed Co-Host (22:51)

Yeah. I think, like, for me, you know, we've been talking about this for months. Every time you're talking about these lawyers and then their body language, the way they talk, the way they act, the way the juror responds to it, that I feel like that carries so a much bigger weight than even we anticipated. Even though every day you come home, you're like, oh, I saw this person smirking. I saw they reacted this way. I don't know. I think jurors really liked it. I think the jurors really like what they said. And then we're like, but are they gonna ignore all the evidence and this and that? The attorneys that Diddy hired, I mean, I guess they. They won the jury, jurors over.

Unnamed Host (23:26)

Yeah, because I don't think it was him that won the jurors over. I think that. I think they did an exceptional job at what they were supposed to do, which is win the jury over. I think the prosecutors probably could have done a better job at winning the jurors over. I think that a lot of times during their direct examinations of very crucial wit such as Cassie and Jane, I do know that Jane is a bit more of a contentious witness, as a lot of people, even on the Internet, are having these very lengthy debates about whether or not it was sex trafficking. Because for Jane, she was 35 years old when she met Sean Combs. She had a child. And the main coercion aspect that the government is trying to tell the jurors is that she was obsessed. She was in love with him. And additionally, he was paying for the house. House. Now, I think a lot of people online were like, well, she can move out. She's 35. She can just get a job. And, like, she can't be that love struck if she's a mom. Like, she needs to think about her kid. Like, people were having these types of debates online about Jane. However, for Cassie, I think a lot of people online were expecting a guilty verdict for the sex trafficking of Cassie ventura. She was 18 when she met him. She was signed to, like, a 10 album record deal with his record label. There was was so much violence throughout their relationship that could easily factor into the force fraud or coercion, that a lot of people were taken aback that this was a not guilty verdict. And ultimately, it just came down to the jurors believed unanimously that Cassie wanted these freak offs, that she consented to this, that she was a willing participant. Now, if I were in a juror's position, would I have thought that? No. But I wasn't. I'm not on the jury. And that's just how our justice system works, unfortunately, whether we like it or not. So whether people agree with this verdict online or not doesn't really change as much because the jurors still just did what the jurors did.

Unnamed Co-Host (25:22)

Yeah. And, you know, like, another thing we notice is, like, every time you're talking about the way Diddy's attorney, you know, even their closing statement, the difference between the Prosecutor's closing statement vs. Diddy's team's closing statement is totally different.

Unnamed Host (25:36)

Right.

Unnamed Co-Host (25:36)

Diddy's Team. Team is super casual. They're just being like, you know, we're not even getting to all the nitty gritties. You know, this is all about love story, blah, blah, blah, and whatever it is, that delivery worked.

Unnamed Host (25:48)

I think the problem is with a case like this, and I don't mean to say everyone, and I don't mean to say us or you guys as an audience, but I think with maybe an older jury, they were a little bit older than maybe you and I might be on this jury jury pool. With a lot of men on the jury pool, I would say that.

Unnamed Co-Host (26:08)

Amen.

Unnamed Host (26:09)

Right? Yeah. With eight men out of 12 jurors, there was a lot. I think a lot of it came down to emotion. I think a lot of it felt like it could be spun both ways. I don't think it was a he said, she said case. I think there was a lot of evidence pointing at least me, in my opinion, towards sex trafficking of at least, least Cassie Ventura. Right. But I think that a lot of people felt it was a he said, she said. And in these situations, I feel like emotion always wins. And the defense, they came with the emotions. Every cross examination would be where you felt the most emotion, whether it be positive or negative towards the witness. The direct examinations, it was very few and far in between. Like, they. They examined Cassie Ventura for so many days, the prosecution did. And there were not many palpably emotional moments in the courtroom. I think on paper, the words were emotional. I think on the transcript, the words were emotional. But they came out. The way that the prosecutor would ask the questions was very flat and monotoned. It just didn't.

Unnamed Co-Host (27:15)

So would you say, like, the star team of Diddy's did their job?

Unnamed Host (27:20)

Yeah, and I think that. Yeah, I just feel bad for the way witnesses. Yeah, I feel bad for the witnesses. I think it's just another reminder that we still live in a world where I think a lot of people need a perfect victim, and you're just not going to get that in most cases. And I think that's very depressing to find out through this trial. I think people have a hard time understanding that victims can be multifaceted. I also think it's very interesting the way that people have been discussing the domestic violence of this case. I know that's not a charge, and that's almost become the focal point of, like, well, he wasn't charged with domestic violence, but it is part of the coercion aspect. And I think it's interesting that more people have upset and very loud Feelings about Jane wanting a Chanel bag and Cassie wanting a lifestyle versus him being a violent abuser. And I think that's a very interesting juxtaposition that's been happening online of, like, people are saying, well, he's just a domestic violence abuser and he can get help for that. But they make it seem like Cassie receiving money or Jane wanting a Chanel bag is some sort of fatal crime, some sort of fatal personality flaw that cannot be defended. It's just very interesting the way that people have been comparing those two elements of this case. Now, there have been lots of speculations online and rumors mainly that Diddy has bought out some of the jurors that are possibly being paid. One comment reads, it's painfully obvious one of the jurors took the payoff in order to cause a mistrial. It's so transparent that it's actually ridiculous. The only reason the jury is hung is because the juror thought money was more important than actual justice. So this was when they were deadlocked on the RICO charge. However, looking back at the timeline of how, I mean, unless he paid off all of them, which is so highly unlikely, pretty much impossible and not proven and completely a baseless allegation and Internet rumor, there's just no way that they would have come back with a not guilty verdict on the major charges in the time that they did. Because within like a day and a half, they were already. They already decided on the sex trafficking charges and they were just stuck on rico.

Unnamed Co-Host (29:33)

That's why we also, like, we're looking back, right? Yesterday there were deadlock on rico. We thought maybe, like, I don't know, seven of them thinks he's guilty, and then maybe five of them think he. He's not. But now looking back, it seems like majority 30 thinks he's not guilty.

Unnamed Host (29:48)

Yeah.

Unnamed Co-Host (29:49)

And there was a few thinks he is guilty.

Unnamed Host (29:51)

Yeah. But I do think that these comments about him purchasing or buying off jurors is very interesting and very depressing in the sense of, like, that's how little faith we have in our justice system. And I think it's completely accurate. So, like, while I do think it's just a rumor as it pertains to this case, it's kind of sad. If you've shopped online, chances are you've bought from a business. Powered by Shopify. You might recognize their purple shop pay button. It just makes everything so much easier and safer whenever you're checking out. That's Shopify. We opened Grandpa Mango's Art studio for the limited edition release of his artwork a few years back and Shopify was a lifesaver. There was nothing comparable on the market that would make it so easy for for us, it's truly the best place to start for a small online business. You guys tag or DM me all the time with MOTs inspired artwork, rotten Mango artwork, or even stickers for the dogs. Just asking to like send them for free. 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And I don't know if this is accurate, but I felt like the prosecutors completely overestimated the jury, I feel like, because maybe the prosecutors are a little bit on the younger end. I don't know, Maybe they're on TikTok. Maybe they're watching the same things you and I are watching. And maybe we feel like, hey, you know, consent is complicated, but it's very clear when someone is feeling coerced. Like they, even if they send text messages like I love it, like you can tell through other inferences that, that they clearly don't love it. And I think maybe they expected that from the jury because I don't think that they did the best job at explaining how it was coercion over and over again in a way that felt emotionally moving perhaps to that jury. Whereas I think the defense, I mean, they were pulling out excuses that were used decades ago. This is a love story. They both wanted it. They just like to be having fun in the bedroom. The government doesn't belong in the bedroom. Like, these are all things that we get icked out by because we've heard them decades ago. And we're like, how does this still work today in the big old year of 2025? But it did end up working. But ultimately, that is where we are with the case. It's very clear who the winners are in this. It's Diddy and it's his defense team. Brian Steele has been trending again with people calling him the RICO remover. He represented young thug in a RICO case as well. So that's what he's most well known. And now Combs. So people are saying he's two for two now. I mean, the whole defense team, I imagine that they're like the new dream team. There's a lot of Diddy supporters online that are saying, like, we knew he'd be innocent. Like, they were just trying to take down a successful black man, which a lot of people have a lot of interesting discourse about. And other people are saying, this is the weirdest Flex ever. Search all of their computers. I mean, does nobody have a job? Like, how are we supporting him after the CNN video? If anything, the CNN video isn't enough. Other people are commenting that a standing ovation inside the courtroom is criminal. Other people are commenting this Diddy trial is now proof that you can do anything if you have money. Other people are responding to that comment, saying, yeah, which is why I'm too broke to break the law. Other people think it's very interesting because Mark Agnifolo is representing two of the more high profile cases that are going to be happening this year and next year. And they comment Diddy's going to go first and Luigi Mangione is going to get convicted to the highest extent. Another person comments, this is exactly why victims don't come forward when they're abused, because nothing will be done anyways. So why live with the public ridicule? This is so sad. Others are commenting, I don't get it. He beat Cassie. How does a jury member not understand that is creating coercion out of fear? To which other people have been defending Diddy saying, did you not see the part where she said she liked and wanted to participate in the freak takeoffs? And now a lot of people are just nervous because he might be free, he might be out on bond, he might not even get jail time during his sentencing. And people think that this is going to make him feel untouchable now, but as of right now, as of filming this, probably not. By the time you see it, there were people outside chanting let Puffy go as the judge is making his decision on whether or not he's going to let him out on Bond, which I'm going to leave in the pinned comment comment. I know that this was not like a typical RM video. I feel like I haven't even really had the time to even get my thoughts together. This is just like right off the cuff of all of the things that the RM team has been feeling. So hopefully it was coherent enough. But what are your thoughts on this? How do you feel? Do you feel like justice was done? 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