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Run the Numbers
Hosted by CJ Gustafson · EN
Run the Numbers is a twice-weekly podcast about financial metrics and business models, designed for ambitious people operating tech startups. It's a collection of things host CJ Gustafson (CFO at Partstech and writer of Mostly Metrics) has learned and thought about in the trenches as a tech CFO.
This show is meant to serve as a playbook of sorts for the stuff CJ wishes he knew earlier in his career, both from experience and from copying people smarter than himself.
Topics frequently touch upon Startup SaaS Metrics, Annual Budgeting, Financial Forecasting, Headcount, Equity, Dilution, and Fundraising – and how all of these drive business performance and growth.
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Cerebras IPO: S1 Breakdown - The Giant Chip, the OpenAI Deal, and the $24B Backlog
2d ago00:46:40Summary readyCerebras is going public with the largest commercial chip ever built, $510M in 2025 revenue, and a $24.6B backlog mostly tied to OpenAI. CJ breaks down the company’s wafer-scale AI bet, why inference changed the story, the strange customer-investor-lender relationships behind the IPO, and the big question: is Cerebras the next NVIDIA-style infrastructure winner, or a concentrated hardware company with a very expensive cloud pivot?—SPONSORS:SpendHound is a SaaS spend management platform built for finance and procurement teams that want visibility and leverage in every deal. By tracking all your software, benchmarking pricing across thousands of vendors, and surfacing contracts and renewals, SpendHound helps you stop overpaying and negotiate with confidence. Trusted by teams at ZoomInfo and Hootsuite. Get started at https://www.spendhound.com/cjBrex is an intelligent finance platform that combines corporate cards, built-in expense management, and AI agents to eliminate manual finance work. By automating expense reviews and reconciliations, Brex gives CFOs more time for the high-impact work that drives growth. Join 35,000+ companies like Anthropic, Coinbase, and DoorDash at https://www.brex.com/metricsAleph is a modern FP&A platform built for teams that want more than another planning tool. By connecting your ERP, CRM, and other systems into one trusted data layer with AI workflows, Aleph helps you move faster with real-time insights. Get a personalized demo at https://www.getaleph.com/runRightRev is an automated revenue recognition platform built for teams that have outgrown spreadsheets and billing tool workarounds. It handles high-volume subscriptions, usage-based contracts, and mid-cycle upgrades, so you can scale without scrambling at month-end. For RevRec that keeps your books clean, visit https://www.rightrev.com/CJRillet is an AI-native ERP built for modern finance teams that want to replace NetSuite and close faster. With revenue recognition, close management, multi-entity support, and native Stripe and Salesforce integrations, Rillet helps scaling companies run their finance stack in one place. Hundreds of teams, including Windsurf and Mercor, use Rillet to make the zero-day close real. Book a demo at https://www.rillet.com/cjEY works with high-growth tech companies to navigate the messy realities of scaling—from regulatory requirements to IPO readiness. By helping teams get it right early and often, EY lets founders stay focused on building while reducing risk as they grow. Learn more at https://www.ey.com/techstartups—LINKS: Mostly Talent: https://mostlymetrics.typeform.com/to/cLTxtAsNCJ: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cj-gustafson-13140948/Mostly metrics: https://www.mostlymetrics.com—TIMESTAMPS:0:00 Preview and intro0:59 Cerebras: the dinner plate chip3:56 Why chip size matters for AI5:26 Old vs. new AI: inference is the bottleneck7:30 Revenue: 20x in 3 years7:49 Sponsors — SpendHound | Brex | Aleph11:33 Gross margin12:02 Net income: the one-time accounting trick12:41 Operating cash flow whipsaw13:24 RPO: $24.6B backlog13:58 Customer concentration: the UAE entities18:06 Sponsors — RightRev | Rillet | EY21:05 Cloud revenue: the inverse SaaS story22:23 Cloud gross margin collapse23:53 G42 warrants for pennies29:14 The OpenAI warrant: Funky Town31:08 $40B market cap milestone31:36 R&D and S&M breakdown33:15 Balance sheet and cash burn35:59 Red flag 1: accounting weaknesses36:37 Red flag 2: one foundry, no supply deal37:28 Red flag 3: UAE geopolitical risk38:10 Red flag 4: cloud is unproven39:02 Cap table: founders diluted40:43 Voting control: Class A, B, and N41:15 Valuation: 10–13x forward revenue41:48 Peer comparison43:47 CEO's prior issues46:10 CreditsNothing said or created by this podcast is business or investment advice#RunTheNumbersPodcast #IPO #Semiconductors #AIStrategy #FinanceLeadership
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The Investor Behind Warby Parker, Harry’s, and the Psychology of Consumer Growth | David Bell
5d ago01:00:56Summary readyDavid Bell, co-founder of Idea Farm Ventures and early investor behind Warby Parker, Harry’s, and Diapers.com, and CJ break down how consumer investing works. They cover why durable consumer companies require more than clean unit economics, how to apply SaaS-style thinking to businesses without contracts, and why the best opportunities often live in boring gray space.—SPONSORS:EY works with high-growth tech companies to navigate the messy realities of scaling—from regulatory requirements to IPO readiness. By helping teams get it right early and often, EY lets founders stay focused on building while reducing risk as they grow. Learn more at https://www.ey.com/techstartupsSpendHound is a SaaS spend management platform built for finance and procurement teams that want visibility and leverage in every deal. By tracking all your software, benchmarking pricing across thousands of vendors, and surfacing contracts and renewals, SpendHound helps you stop overpaying and negotiate with confidence. Trusted by teams at ZoomInfo and Hootsuite. Get started at https://www.spendhound.com/cjBrex is an intelligent finance platform that combines corporate cards, built-in expense management, and AI agents to eliminate manual finance work. By automating expense reviews and reconciliations, Brex gives CFOs more time for the high-impact work that drives growth. Join 35,000+ companies like Anthropic, Coinbase, and DoorDash at https://www.brex.com/metricsAleph is a modern FP&A platform built for teams that want more than another planning tool. By connecting your ERP, CRM, and other systems into one trusted data layer with AI workflows, Aleph helps you move faster with real-time insights. Get a personalized demo at https://www.getaleph.com/runRightRev is an automated revenue recognition platform built for teams that have outgrown spreadsheets and billing tool workarounds. It handles high-volume subscriptions, usage-based contracts, and mid-cycle upgrades, so you can scale without scrambling at month-end. For RevRec that keeps your books clean, visit https://www.rightrev.com/CJRillet is an AI-native ERP built for modern finance teams that want to replace NetSuite and close faster. With revenue recognition, close management, multi-entity support, and native Stripe and Salesforce integrations, Rillet helps scaling companies run their finance stack in one place. Hundreds of teams, including Windsurf and Mercor, use Rillet to make the zero-day close real. Book a demo at https://www.rillet.com/cj—Mostly Talent: https://mostlymetrics.typeform.com/to/cLTxtAsNGuest: https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-bell-086820/Company: https://www.ideafarmventures.com/CJ: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cj-gustafson-13140948/Mostly metrics: https://www.mostlymetrics.com—TIMESTAMPS:0:00 Preview and intro3:16 Edge: economics and psychology5:21 Best ideas in boring gray space5:41 Functional, emotional, and symbolic value7:08 Grüns gummies and divisibility9:02 Sponsors — EY | SpendHound | Brex12:31 Ideation: personal pain vs. market analysis13:17 Diapers.com and the Starbucks origin story16:00 Warby Parker: asking why16:33 LTV to CAC in D2C18:02 Retention math: 85 to 90% can double LTV19:00 Milkman and recurring vs. reoccurring20:42 Trust economics22:38 Warby stores boost online sales22:58 Sponsors — Aleph | RightRev | Rillet26:12 Away store as advertising27:46 Warby discovery: dots on a map30:10 Home try-on word of mouth value32:09 D2C unit economics mistakes34:55 Innovating on distribution35:50 Touchland in Sephora: right channel, right signal37:00 Capital allocation: margin and low CAC first39:18 Sequencing: people, brand, then inventory40:58 Product vs. brand: the 8x10 thought experiment42:23 Consumer monetization shifts45:45 The gravity framework50:32 Isolation principle: most underused lever52:36 Working backwards from exit at day zero57:23 What if your business isn't venture scale?59:32 Book plug: Founders Gold1:00:25 Credits
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Inside Mostly Media: The Team Behind Run the Numbers
1w ago00:53:10Summary readyCJ turns the mic on the people behind Mostly Media for a special behind-the-scenes episode of Run the Numbers. Michelle, Callie, Sarah, Matthew, Ben, and Steve share what it’s like building the company, scaling media, talent, sales, production, and operations, and dealing with CJ’s scooter lore, calendar quirks, and chaos along the way.—SPONSORS:Rillet is an AI-native ERP built for modern finance teams that want to replace NetSuite and close faster. With revenue recognition, close management, multi-entity support, and native Stripe and Salesforce integrations, Rillet helps scaling companies run their finance stack in one place. Hundreds of teams, including Windsurf and Mercor, use Rillet to make the zero-day close real. Book a demo at https://www.rillet.com/cjEY works with high-growth tech companies to navigate the messy realities of scaling—from regulatory requirements to IPO readiness. By helping teams get it right early and often, EY lets founders stay focused on building while reducing risk as they grow. Learn more at https://www.ey.com/techstartupsSpendHound is a SaaS spend management platform built for finance and procurement teams that want visibility and leverage in every deal. By tracking all your software, benchmarking pricing across thousands of vendors, and surfacing contracts and renewals, SpendHound helps you stop overpaying and negotiate with confidence. Trusted by teams at ZoomInfo and Hootsuite. Get started at https://www.spendhound.com/cjBrex is an intelligent finance platform that combines corporate cards, built-in expense management, and AI agents to eliminate manual finance work. By automating expense reviews and reconciliations, Brex gives CFOs more time for the high-impact work that drives growth. Join 35,000+ companies like Anthropic, Coinbase, and DoorDash at https://www.brex.com/metricsAleph is a modern FP&A platform built for teams that want more than another planning tool. By connecting your ERP, CRM, and other systems into one trusted data layer with AI workflows, Aleph helps you move faster with real-time insights. Get a personalized demo at https://www.getaleph.com/runRightRev is an automated revenue recognition platform built for teams that have outgrown spreadsheets and billing tool workarounds. It handles high-volume subscriptions, usage-based contracts, and mid-cycle upgrades, so you can scale without scrambling at month-end. For RevRec that keeps your books clean, visit https://www.rightrev.com/CJ—LINKS: Mostly Talent: https://mostlymetrics.typeform.com/to/cLTxtAsNCJ: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cj-gustafson-13140948/Mostly metrics: https://www.mostlymetrics.com—TIMESTAMPS:0:00 Preview and intro2:44 Show intro: meet the Mostly Media team3:37 Michelle Finn: accounting and ops4:28 Parts Tech days: CJ's first CFO role7:21 How the newsletter convinced Michelle to join9:02 Sponsors — Rillet | EY | SpendHound12:11 Callie Spillane: talent director13:17 Callie's background: HubSpot, Sneak, Superhuman13:40 Why Callie was hard to hire15:37 Snyk hypergrowth: 150 to 1,500 people16:59 Zero to one vs. one to ten18:20 9 of 20 roles filled: how it's going23:24 Sponsors — Brex | Aleph | RightRev26:58 Sarah Bousquet: media op27:45 Stay at home mom to ops lead33:48 CJ's schedule: American Psycho34:43 Matthew Mozzocchi: sales and partnerships35:41 Going full time with a newborn36:20 Product market fit signal38:07 Fewer, bigger bets on creators41:00 Podcast is the air game, newsletter is the ground game43:56 Ben Hillman and Steve Cerasoli: production47:46 Media in service of a product vs. the product itself48:37 Run the Numbers vs. Mostly Growth51:25 Where are we in three years?52:40 Credits#RunTheNumbersPodcast #CreatorEconomy #MediaBusiness #Entrepreneurship #ContentBusiness
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Diamonds, De Beers, and the Death of Artificial Scarcity | A CFO Explains Diamonds
2w ago00:26:59Summary readyIn this episode of Run the Numbers, CJ Gustafson breaks down the diamond industry as a business model: how De Beers controlled supply, engineered demand, and built one of the most powerful pricing machines in history. From the Central Selling Organization to “A Diamond Is Forever” to the rise of lab-grown diamonds, this episode unpacks monopolies, scarcity, pricing power, and what happens when technology forces transparency.—SPONSORS:RightRev is an automated revenue recognition platform built for teams that have outgrown spreadsheets and billing tool workarounds. It handles high-volume subscriptions, usage-based contracts, and mid-cycle upgrades, so you can scale without scrambling at month-end. For RevRec that keeps your books clean, visit https://www.rightrev.com/CJRillet is an AI-native ERP built for modern finance teams that want to replace NetSuite and close faster. With revenue recognition, close management, multi-entity support, and native Stripe and Salesforce integrations, Rillet helps scaling companies run their finance stack in one place. Hundreds of teams, including Windsurf and Mercor, use Rillet to make the zero-day close real. Book a demo at https://www.rillet.com/cjEY works with high-growth tech companies to navigate the messy realities of scaling—from regulatory requirements to IPO readiness. By helping teams get it right early and often, EY lets founders stay focused on building while reducing risk as they grow. Learn more at https://www.ey.com/techstartupsSpendHound is a SaaS spend management platform built for finance and procurement teams that want visibility and leverage in every deal. By tracking all your software, benchmarking pricing across thousands of vendors, and surfacing contracts and renewals, SpendHound helps you stop overpaying and negotiate with confidence. Trusted by teams at ZoomInfo and Hootsuite. Get started at https://www.spendhound.com/cjBrex is an intelligent finance platform that combines corporate cards, built-in expense management, and AI agents to eliminate manual finance work. By automating expense reviews and reconciliations, Brex gives CFOs more time for the high-impact work that drives growth. Join 35,000+ companies like Anthropic, Coinbase, and DoorDash at https://www.brex.com/metricsAleph is a modern FP&A platform built for teams that want more than another planning tool. By connecting your ERP, CRM, and other systems into one trusted data layer with AI workflows, Aleph helps you move faster with real-time insights. Get a personalized demo at https://www.getaleph.com/run—LINKS: Mostly Talent: https://mostlymetrics.typeform.com/to/cLTxtAsNCJ: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cj-gustafson-13140948/Mostly metrics: https://www.mostlymetrics.com—RELATED EPISODES:Why Uber Drivers Can’t Escape the 30% Cuthttps://youtu.be/LpbH9GpBrSY—TIMESTAMPS:All verified. Here are the timestamps:0:00 Blood Diamond1:55 Show intro2:15 Diamond history: ancient India and riverbed origins3:56 Brazil supply shock and the mining era4:39 De Beers: Cecil Rhodes and the PE rollup6:47 Sponsors — RightRev | Rillet | EY9:49 The Central Selling Organization (CSO)10:39 The site system: invite-only, take-it-or-leave-it auctions12:22 Diamonds are more abundant than gold13:01 NW Ayer, Bernays, and engineering demand14:17 "A Diamond is Forever" campaign15:13 Lab grown diamonds: 20% of US purchases16:32 De Beers collapses: $3.1B operating loss17:18 Sponsors — SpendHound | Brex | Aleph21:07 Lesson 1: Rollups are powered by capital21:39 Lesson 2: Distribution beats mining22:11 Lesson 3: Artificial scarcity unravels22:55 Lesson 4: Price opacity is a temporary moat23:39 Lesson 5: Demand engineering24:30 Lesson 6: The real product was risk smoothing26:30 Credits#RunTheNumbersPodcast #BusinessStrategy #FinanceHistory #Pricing #Monopoly
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The North Face Former CFO: How Finance Builds Iconic Brands
3w ago00:51:20Summary readyIn this episode of Run the Numbers, CJ Gustafson sits down with Angela Chen, former CFO of The North Face and Mars Veterinary Health, to unpack how finance leaders build and scale iconic consumer brands. Angela shares how to measure brand equity, why the CFO should act as an architect of growth, and how capital, talent, and strategy connect inside a scaling business. They also get into humanistic leadership, consumer-margin tradeoffs, and what a 39-cent Taco Bell taco can teach finance teams about growth.—SPONSORS:Aleph is a modern FP&A platform built for teams that want more than another planning tool. By connecting your ERP, CRM, and other systems into one trusted data layer with AI workflows, Aleph helps you move faster with real-time insights. Get a personalized demo at https://www.getaleph.com/runRightRev is an automated revenue recognition platform built for teams that have outgrown spreadsheets and billing tool workarounds. It handles high-volume subscriptions, usage-based contracts, and mid-cycle upgrades, so you can scale without scrambling at month-end. For RevRec that keeps your books clean, visit https://www.rightrev.com/CJRillet is an AI-native ERP built for modern finance teams that want to close faster without fighting legacy systems. Designed to support complex revenue recognition, multi-entity operations, and real-time reporting, Rillet helps teams achieve a true zero-day close—with some customers closing in hours, not days. If you’re scaling on an ERP that wasn’t built in the 90s, book a demo at https://www.rillet.com/cjEY works with high-growth tech companies to navigate the messy realities of scaling—from regulatory requirements to IPO readiness. By helping teams get it right early and often, EY lets founders stay focused on building while reducing risk as they grow. Learn more at https://www.ey.com/techstartupsSpendHound is a SaaS spend management platform built for finance and procurement teams that want visibility and leverage in every deal. By tracking all your software, benchmarking pricing across thousands of vendors, and surfacing contracts and renewals, SpendHound helps you stop overpaying and negotiate with confidence. Trusted by teams at ZoomInfo and Hootsuite. Get started at https://www.spendhound.com/cjBrex is an intelligent finance platform that combines corporate cards, built-in expense management, and AI agents to eliminate manual finance work. By automating expense reviews and reconciliations, Brex gives CFOs more time for the high-impact work that drives growth. Join 35,000+ companies like Anthropic, Coinbase, and DoorDash at https://www.brex.com/metrics—LINKS: Mostly Talent: https://mostlymetrics.typeform.com/to/cLTxtAsNGuest: https://www.linkedin.com/in/angelachensf/Company: https://sku.is/CJ: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cj-gustafson-13140948/Mostly metrics: https://www.mostlymetrics.com—RELATED EPISODES:Minted’s CFO: Half the Year Happens in One Monthhttps://youtu.be/hD4-exunKMo—TIMESTAMPS:0:00 Preview and intro2:45 Measuring brand equity5:09 CFO as architect of growth7:11 Connecting money, ideas, and talent7:52 North Face vs. Mars: where to invest10:52 Sponsors — Aleph | RightRev | Rillet14:14 Scaling North Face 5x without diluting the brand16:31 From technical brand to lifestyle brand19:30 Quality of revenue21:49 Seasonality and Q4 concentration24:01 Sponsors — EY | SpendHound | Brex27:14 Retailers shouldn't own factories31:30 Supply chain and 18-month product cycles33:23 Humanistic leadership in finance34:32 Purpose and profit are mutually reinforcing36:15 Purpose vs. profit in public companies38:05 Playing to Win framework39:47 Operational cadence and the gas gauge43:02 Killing bad projects: the battery jacket story44:16 Taco Bell and 39-cent margins47:10 Lightning round47:36 Screwed up: hiring on credentials48:27 Advice to younger self: network is the work50:07 Craziest expense story: snowcat ski trip50:50 Credits
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How Great Deals Are Found, Evaluated, and Won | PSG’s Chris Nesbitt
3w ago00:54:34Summary readyIn this episode of Run the Numbers, CJ sits down with PSG Managing Director Chris Nesbitt to unpack how great deals are actually found, how investment decisions are really made, and why narrative often matters more than most investors admit. They also dig into forecasting, boardroom authenticity, simple vs. complex models, and the roles of market, product, and leadership in driving outcomes.—SPONSORS:Brex is an intelligent finance platform that combines corporate cards, built-in expense management, and AI agents to eliminate manual finance work. By automating expense reviews and reconciliations, Brex gives CFOs more time for the high-impact work that drives growth. Join 35,000+ companies like Anthropic, Coinbase, and DoorDash at https://www.brex.com/metricsAleph is a modern FP&A platform built for teams that want more than another planning tool. By connecting your ERP, CRM, and other systems into one trusted data layer with AI workflows, Aleph helps you move faster with real-time insights. Get a personalized demo at https://www.getaleph.com/runRightRev is an automated revenue recognition platform built for teams that have outgrown spreadsheets and billing tool workarounds. It handles high-volume subscriptions, usage-based contracts, and mid-cycle upgrades, so you can scale without scrambling at month-end. For RevRec that keeps your books clean, visit https://www.rightrev.com/CJRillet is an AI-native ERP built for modern finance teams that want to close faster without fighting legacy systems. Designed to support complex revenue recognition, multi-entity operations, and real-time reporting, Rillet helps teams achieve a true zero-day close—with some customers closing in hours, not days. If you’re scaling on an ERP that wasn’t built in the 90s, book a demo at https://www.rillet.com/cjEY works with high-growth tech companies to navigate the messy realities of scaling—from regulatory requirements to IPO readiness. By helping teams get it right early and often, EY lets founders stay focused on building while reducing risk as they grow. Learn more at https://www.ey.com/techstartupsSpendHound is a SaaS spend management platform built for finance and procurement teams that want visibility and leverage in every deal. By tracking all your software, benchmarking pricing across thousands of vendors, and surfacing contracts and renewals, SpendHound helps you stop overpaying and negotiate with confidence. Trusted by teams at ZoomInfo and Hootsuite. Get started at https://www.spendhound.com/cj—LINKS: Mostly Talent: https://mostlymetrics.typeform.com/to/cLTxtAsNGuest: https://www.linkedin.com/in/christophersnesbitt/Company: https://psgequity.com/CJ: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cj-gustafson-13140948/Mostly metrics: https://www.mostlymetrics.com—TIMESTAMPS:0:00 Preview and intro2:44 PSG origin story4:01 Growth to 30B AUM5:07 Strategy: small software at scale5:50 Vertical SaaS treasure hunting8:10 Ministry Brands: software meets payments9:28 Sponsors — Brex | Aleph | RightRev12:46 Early M&A work and rollup strategy15:52 Sourcing is more competitive now18:28 Smoke signals and relationship sourcing21:22 Does brand get you in the room?22:15 Authenticity as a sourcing edge22:52 Sponsors — Rillet | EY | SpendHound26:09 Brand name of investor or deal partner?27:44 Investors are narrative driven animals29:18 Market, product, then execution31:26 Danger of falling in love with the narrative33:40 Operator AI pivot story: GRC company34:51 Keep it simple: one tab, five key inputs39:21 Forecasting confidence beyond 12-18 months41:51 What makes a useful board meeting45:01 Build vs. buy: the payments decision47:45 ARR vs. EBITDA multiples50:30 Lightning round50:34 Board materials: send 3 days in advance51:03 LTV to CAC and cap software debates51:32 First deal at PSG52:35 What young investors get wrong54:04 Credits
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Why Health Tech Doesn’t Operate Like SaaS | Manu Diwakar, CFO of Virta Health
4w ago00:54:17Summary readyIn this episode of Run the Numbers, CJ sits down with Manu Diwakar, CFO of Virta Health, to unpack why health tech breaks traditional SaaS thinking. They get into the realities of running a business where outcomes matter, half the company are medical professionals, and efficiency can’t come at the expense of care. It’s a conversation about sustainable scaling, smarter reinvestment, and building for durability over hype.—SPONSORS: SpendHound is a SaaS spend management platform built for finance and procurement teams that want visibility and leverage in every deal. By tracking all your software, benchmarking pricing across thousands of vendors, and surfacing contracts and renewals, SpendHound helps you stop overpaying and negotiate with confidence. Trusted by teams at ZoomInfo and Hootsuite. Get started at https://www.spendhound.com/cjBrex is an intelligent finance platform that combines corporate cards, built-in expense management, and AI agents to eliminate manual finance work. By automating expense reviews and reconciliations, Brex gives CFOs more time for the high-impact work that drives growth. Join 35,000+ companies like Anthropic, Coinbase, and DoorDash at https://www.brex.com/metricsAleph is a modern FP&A platform built for teams that want more than another planning tool. By connecting your ERP, CRM, and other systems into one trusted data layer with AI workflows, Aleph helps you move faster with real-time insights. Get a personalized demo at https://www.getaleph.com/runRightRev is an automated revenue recognition platform built for teams that have outgrown spreadsheets and billing tool workarounds. It handles high-volume subscriptions, usage-based contracts, and mid-cycle upgrades, so you can scale without scrambling at month-end. For RevRec that keeps your books clean, visit https://www.rightrev.com/CJRillet is an AI-native ERP built for modern finance teams that want to close faster without fighting legacy systems. Designed to support complex revenue recognition, multi-entity operations, and real-time reporting, Rillet helps teams achieve a true zero-day close—with some customers closing in hours, not days. If you’re scaling on an ERP that wasn’t built in the 90s, book a demo at https://www.rillet.com/cjEY works with high-growth tech companies to navigate the messy realities of scaling—from regulatory requirements to IPO readiness. By helping teams get it right early and often, EY lets founders stay focused on building while reducing risk as they grow. Learn more at https://www.ey.com/techstartups—LINKS: Mostly Talent: https://mostlymetrics.typeform.com/to/cLTxtAsNGuest: https://www.linkedin.com/in/manu-diwakar-1aa578/Company: https://www.virtahealth.com/CJ: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cj-gustafson-13140948/Mostly metrics: https://www.mostlymetrics.com—TIMESTAMPS:0:00 Preview and intro1:18 Welcome and guest intro3:02 What sector is health tech?4:34 Virta go to market explained7:01 B2B to B2C model9:00 Value based care and ROI guarantees9:18 Half the company are medical professionals10:36 Sponsors — SpendHound | Brex | Aleph14:03 Annual planning process16:42 Shape of the curve17:33 TAM: metabolic health is massive20:45 Fee for service vs. value based care24:16 Sponsors — RightRev | Rillet | EY27:24 Unique costs of health tech: billing, compliance30:54 Corporate practice of medicine31:44 North star: members under management32:43 The flywheel: $250 charge, $500 saved33:28 Early stage CFO job is easy35:28 Bad habits baked in during high growth38:02 Choosing not to profit vs. not turning a profit41:15 Running a VC-backed business for sustainability42:07 People, tech and process framework44:31 Hiring philosophy: hard work, learning, curiosity48:26 Athletes vs. experts in hiring50:03 Clock hands interview question50:49 Lightning round51:09 Screwed up: having hard conversations late51:57 Advice to younger self52:15 Finance software stack52:42 Craziest expense story53:47 Credits
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Inside Figma’s Financial Playbook with CFO Praveer Melwani
Apr 1600:46:29Summary readyIn this episode of Run the Numbers, CJ sits down with Praveer Melwani, CFO of Figma, to unpack the financial model behind one of tech’s most iconic product-led companies. They cover viral growth, forecasting without a traditional sales pipeline, AI credit pricing, margin tradeoffs, and the metric Praveer believes matters most in the long run: free cash flow per share.—SPONSORS:EY works with high-growth tech companies to navigate the messy realities of scaling—from regulatory requirements to IPO readiness. By helping teams get it right early and often, EY lets founders stay focused on building while reducing risk as they grow. Learn more at https://www.ey.com/techstartupsSpendHound is a SaaS spend management platform built for finance and procurement teams that want visibility and leverage in every deal. By tracking all your software, benchmarking pricing across thousands of vendors, and surfacing contracts and renewals, SpendHound helps you stop overpaying and negotiate with confidence. Trusted by teams at ZoomInfo and Hootsuite. Get started at https://www.spendhound.comBrex is an intelligent finance platform that combines corporate cards, built-in expense management, and AI agents to eliminate manual finance work. By automating expense reviews and reconciliations, Brex gives CFOs more time for the high-impact work that drives growth. Join 35,000+ companies like Anthropic, Coinbase, and DoorDash at https://www.brex.com/metricsAleph is a modern FP&A platform built for teams that want more than another planning tool. By connecting your ERP, CRM, and other systems into one trusted data layer with AI workflows, Aleph helps you move faster with real-time insights. Get a personalized demo at https://www.getaleph.com/runRightRev is an automated revenue recognition platform built for teams that have outgrown spreadsheets and billing tool workarounds. It handles high-volume subscriptions, usage-based contracts, and mid-cycle upgrades, so you can scale without scrambling at month-end. For RevRec that keeps your books clean, visit https://www.rightrev.com/CJRillet is an AI-native ERP built for modern finance teams that want to close faster without fighting legacy systems. Designed to support complex revenue recognition, multi-entity operations, and real-time reporting, Rillet helps teams achieve a true zero-day close—with some customers closing in hours, not days. If you’re scaling on an ERP that wasn’t built in the 90s, book a demo at https://www.rillet.com/cj—LINKS: Mostly Talent: https://mostlymetrics.typeform.com/to/cLTxtAsNGuest: https://www.linkedin.com/in/praveer-melwani/Company: https://www.figma.com/CJ: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cj-gustafson-13140948/Mostly metrics: https://www.mostlymetrics.com—TIMESTAMPS:0:00 Preview and intro1:21 Welcome and guest intro2:55 From banking to Dropbox to Figma5:04 Inflection points: building trust early8:36 TAM expansion thinking10:31 Sponsors — EY | SpendHound | Brex13:38 Two-thirds of Figma users aren't designers14:36 Forecasting product led growth16:22 Cohorts and NDR discovery17:39 LTV to CAC philosophy18:57 Product signals for account expansion20:22 How Figma achieved hypergrowth with 90%+ margins22:14 AI expands TAM: time to hit the gas23:22 AI credit pricing model24:50 Sponsors — Aleph | RightRev | Rillet28:13 Outcome based pricing consideration29:00 Where AI margins settle: gross profit dollars30:08 Free cash flow per share as north star31:04 NDR and pricing volatility32:13 Bundled vs. unbundled seats34:50 Being engaged in sales to understand admin pain35:17 IPO day experience36:27 Keeping employees focused beyond the stock price37:19 Employee stock pressure and lockup reality39:37 Kitchen cabinet of advisors41:44 How to ask better questions of advisors41:47 Lightning round41:50 Advice to younger self42:47 Finance software stack44:09 Claude WTF moment: forecasting model throughput45:13 Craziest expense story: the haircut45:59 Credits
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Wealthfront’s CFO on Automation, Compounding Growth, and Going Public
Apr 1300:53:42Summary readyIn this episode of Run the Numbers, CJ sits down with Wealthfront CFO Alan Imberman to unpack automation as a strategy, the compounding power of retention and trust, and how to balance elite profitability with continued investment. They also discuss why Wealthfront went public earlier than many peers and what’s really happening in fintech right now.—SPONSORS:Rillet is an AI-native ERP built for modern finance teams that want to close faster without fighting legacy systems. Designed to support complex revenue recognition, multi-entity operations, and real-time reporting, Rillet helps teams achieve a true zero-day close—with some customers closing in hours, not days. If you’re scaling on an ERP that wasn’t built in the 90s, book a demo at https://www.rillet.com/cjEY works with high-growth tech companies to navigate the messy realities of scaling—from regulatory requirements to IPO readiness. By helping teams get it right early and often, EY lets founders stay focused on building while reducing risk as they grow. Learn more at https://www.ey.com/techstartupsSpendHound is a SaaS spend management platform built for finance and procurement teams that want visibility and leverage in every deal. By tracking all your software, benchmarking pricing across thousands of vendors, and surfacing contracts and renewals, SpendHound helps you stop overpaying and negotiate with confidence. Trusted by teams at ZoomInfo and Hootsuite. Get started at https://www.spendhound.comBrex is an intelligent finance platform that combines corporate cards, built-in expense management, and AI agents to eliminate manual finance work. By automating expense reviews and reconciliations, Brex gives CFOs more time for the high-impact work that drives growth. Join 35,000+ companies like Anthropic, Coinbase, and DoorDash at https://www.brex.com/metricsAleph is a modern FP&A platform built for teams that want more than another planning tool. By connecting your ERP, CRM, and other systems into one trusted data layer with AI workflows, Aleph helps you move faster with real-time insights. Get a personalized demo at https://www.getaleph.com/runRightRev is an automated revenue recognition platform built for teams that have outgrown spreadsheets and billing tool workarounds. It handles high-volume subscriptions, usage-based contracts, and mid-cycle upgrades, so you can scale without scrambling at month-end. For RevRec that keeps your books clean, visit https://www.rightrev.com/CJ—LINKS: Mostly Talent: https://mostlymetrics.typeform.com/to/cLTxtAsNGuest: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alan-imberman-cfa-aab2371/Company: https://www.wealthfront.com/CJ: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cj-gustafson-13140948/Mostly metrics: https://www.mostlymetrics.com—TIMESTAMPS:0:00 Preview and intro1:37 Welcome and guest intro3:11 Wealthfront overview4:38 Automation as core philosophy6:50 55K clients per support rep example7:45 90% gross margins and $1M revenue per employee8:46 Optimization vs. exploration framework9:58 Data flywheel: the Path product10:43 Cash account insight from customer data11:26 Home lending insight from wire data13:33 Sponsors — Rillet | EY | SpendHound16:45 Product led growth and referrals18:11 Incentives vs. paid marketing20:46 Compounding philosophy and 120% NDR22:07 Long term thinking vs. public market pressure22:40 No guidance decision26:26 Sponsors — Brex | Aleph | RightRev29:44 Serving the wealth builder: 80/20 in wealth management31:45 Decision to go public at $339M revenue33:46 Does size matter for IPOs?34:46 Fintech's moment: Chime, Klarna, Circle36:49 Non-monetary benefits of going public38:30 Memos over slides40:31 Hedge fund early career: spreading 10-Ks in Excel46:45 Don't lose the forest for the trees in modeling48:31 Lightning round48:43 Screwed up: de-annualizing a fee rate49:55 Advice to younger self50:32 Finance software stack51:14 Craziest expense story: $100K coffee tab53:11 Credits#RunTheNumbersPodcast #CFO
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How Strategic CFOs Get It Wrong
Apr 900:52:45Summary readyOn this week’s Run the Numbers, CJ sits down with Steve Isom of Bloomerang to break down what a “strategic CFO” really is. They cover the shift from reporting to operating, why customer orgs drive SaaS value, and how AI is reshaping the finance role. —SPONSORS:RightRev is an automated revenue recognition platform built for teams that have outgrown spreadsheets and billing tool workarounds. It handles high-volume subscriptions, usage-based contracts, and mid-cycle upgrades, so you can scale without scrambling at month-end. For RevRec that keeps your books clean, visit https://www.rightrev.com/CJRillet is an AI-native ERP built for modern finance teams that want to close faster without fighting legacy systems. Designed to support complex revenue recognition, multi-entity operations, and real-time reporting, Rillet helps teams achieve a true zero-day close—with some customers closing in hours, not days. If you’re scaling on an ERP that wasn’t built in the 90s, book a demo at https://www.rillet.com/cjEY works with high-growth tech companies to navigate the messy realities of scaling—from regulatory requirements to IPO readiness. By helping teams get it right early and often, EY lets founders stay focused on building while reducing risk as they grow. Learn more at https://www.ey.com/techstartupsSpendHound is a SaaS spend management platform built for finance and procurement teams that want visibility and leverage in every deal. By tracking all your software, benchmarking pricing across thousands of vendors, and surfacing contracts and renewals, SpendHound helps you stop overpaying and negotiate with confidence. Trusted by teams at ZoomInfo and Hootsuite. Get started at https://www.spendhound.comBrex is an intelligent finance platform that combines corporate cards, built-in expense management, and AI agents to eliminate manual finance work. By automating expense reviews and reconciliations, Brex gives CFOs more time for the high-impact work that drives growth. Join 35,000+ companies like Anthropic, Coinbase, and DoorDash at https://www.brex.com/metricsAleph is a modern FP&A platform built for teams that want more than another planning tool. By connecting your ERP, CRM, and other systems into one trusted data layer with AI workflows, Aleph helps you move faster with real-time insights. Get a personalized demo at https://www.getaleph.com/run—LINKS: Steve on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/steveisomjrCompany: https://bloomerang.com/CJ on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cj-gustafson-13140948/Mostly metrics: https://www.mostlymetrics.com—TIMESTAMPS:0:00 Preview1:25 Intro2:55 Welcome Steve Isom3:13 CFO to COO promotion5:02 Having a pulse on every function6:51 Defining "strategic CFO"7:19 Tying strategy to value creation9:27 Being embedded in the rhythm of the business10:55 Finance leaders as commentators vs. team captains12:25 Sponsors — RightRev | Rillet | EY15:33 Killing projects as a core skill18:14 Activity doesn't equal impact19:16 Project Steve killed20:39 Taking over the customer org at Bloomerang22:18 Why acquisition is a cash-losing exercise23:07 LTV lives post-sale24:39 Most vulnerable area: customer success25:24 Ruthless CSM segmentation26:30 Nonprofits don't think about your software29:21 Sponsors — Spendhound | Brex | Aleph32:43 CFO running ops35:52 Metrics vs. humans37:18 Skip levels and what they reveal39:01 Incentives drive the wrong outcomes40:22 Customer-introduced delays as a key sub-metric40:27 Unit economics become tangible when you're accountable42:17 Going deep on AI45:13 Motivating your team to experiment with AI46:02 AI for personal projects47:05 Resource allocation in a vibe-coding world48:42 Does AI efficiency just mean more work?50:32 What excites Steve about the future of finance leadership52:08 Finance leaders who don't use AI won't get hired52:13 Credits#RunTheNumbersPodcast #CFO #StrategicFinance #SaaSFinance #FinanceLeadership #CFOtoCOO
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