What if the purpose of school isn't grades, rankings, or test scores — but helping young people discover their own purpose? In this rich and wide-ranging conversation, Andy sits down with Dr. Cinde Lock, Head of Pickering College and author of Connections, Academics, and Purpose: Designing the Future of School, to explore what education can look like when it's built around real problems, genuine connection, and meaningful work. Cinde brings a rare combination: the scientific rigor of a chemistry background, leadership experience across six countries and a lifelong conviction that schools can — and must — do better by their students.

What You'll Hear in This Episode

The Childhood That Shaped a Leader Cinde was always the new student. Moving frequently while her father quietly hid the fact that he couldn't read, she never stayed in one school long enough to remember a teacher's name before Grade 5. That experience forged in her both deep empathy for learners whose gifts go unrecognized — and a bird's-eye view of education that let her see which "non-negotiables" in one classroom weren't even mentioned in the next.

The CAP Framework: Connections, Academics, Purpose At the heart of Cinde's book and her work at Pickering College is a deceptively simple shift: start with a real problem people care about, then embed the curriculum into it — not the other way around. Polluted rivers. Carbon-neutral islands. Pig scratchers for an animal sanctuary. Acoustic panels for an echoey classroom. When students genuinely care about the outcome, the learning follows naturally — and the academic results speak for themselves. At one IB school in Korea, this approach helped lift results into the top 1% globally.

Redefining What School Is For What if the purpose of school is to help kids find purpose? Cinde is building a tech framework at Pickering College that gives students a real menu of authentic projects, allows them to map their own learning (including outside achievements like music grades), and pursue "minors" and "majors" — going deeper where they're most alive. This is agency in practice, not just in theory.

The Changing Role of the Teacher In a world where students have AI and global information at their fingertips, Cinde argues the teacher as sole expert no longer holds. The role shifts to coach, co-learner, connector, and critical thinker — someone who pushes students further and guards the deeply human dimensions of learning that technology can't replace.

Regret, Connection, and the Ghosts We Carry Drawing on Denzel Washington's "ghosts of unfulfilled potential" and Daniel Pink's research on regret, Andy and Cinde explore what we leave unfinished — particularly in relationships. Her biggest regrets aren't about missed opportunities, but about people in different countries who shaped her deeply and drifted away with time and distance. The episode closes with a quiet but powerful invitation: think of someone who changed your life, and reach out.

Key Takeaways

Real-world problems are the best entry point into deep learning — curriculum follows context, not the other way around
Student agency isn't a program you add on; it's a philosophy that changes everything, from how you plan to how you assess
The "soft skills" — empathy, connection, emotional intelligence — are actually the hardest, and schools need to prioritize them more as technology accelerates
Meaningful change takes patience; leaders must meet people where they are, not where they wish they were
Connection regrets are among the most common and most painful — and a short message of gratitude can be a powerful act for both the sender and the receiver

About Dr. Cinde Lock Dr. Cinde Lock is the Head of Pickering College and the author of Connections, Academics, and Purpose: Designing the Future of School. With a background in chemistry and leadership experience across six countries, she has spent her career reimagining what school can look like when it's built around human connection, real-world relevance, and student purpose.

Connect with Cinde:

Cinde's Website

Where to find her book

Pickering College