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In this episode Chase Chappell, the founder of Sirge, Success AI, Ads Mastery and Partner at DOE Media, joins us to talk about building a vertically integrated e-commerce operation, acquiring marketing agencies and smaller SaaS companies, and why personal brand is still the biggest moat in a saturated market.

We talk about Block's 4,000-person layoff and what it says about how the public markets now value software companies. Zach makes the point that AI is great at cutting costs but nobody's figured out how to use it to make dramatically more money, and how solving that problem is not obvious.

Chase breaks down his approach to acquiring TikTok shop agencies, email firms, and smaller SaaS products, why he cuts the bloat immediately, and what he's actually looking for when he brings a new team in. He also gets into the problems with AI creative generation tools, reliability. The generations look great until your logo gets redrawn and your font comes out wrong.

Chase Chappell is deeply integrated in every part of ecommerce, and it shows.