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After Action Report. I gotta say this one went places I did not expect. Welcome to After Action Report where my listeners who tried something new had a new and novel sexual experience. Let me ask them for every sorted or not so sorted, sometimes wholesome do detail. This week I talked with Maxson, truly one of the most interesting people I've ever had on this show. Let's get into it. Hey Maxson, welcome to the show. It's good to have you.
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Thanks Dan. So happy to be here. I love your work.
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So before we talk about what you did, how you were had recently, tell us a little bit about who Maxson is.
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Yes, I'm Maxson Caged. I'm on X twitter bluesky and I'm a locked sub. Been pretty engaged with chastity for the last couple of years. This current lockup, I'm over 850 days in a row locked 24, 7.
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Explain what that means. Explain what that means to people, particularly straight people out there listening who aren't familiar with the locked lingo.
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Yes. So I wear a male chastity device on my dick. It's the one I have is custom titanium and I also have a Prince Albert piercing so it's integrated into the cage. So the cage is not removable unless you have the key, you cannot pull your dick out the back. And I wear it 24 7. I wear it to sleep, I wear it to the gym, wear it to work, wear it when I travel. I remove it maybe once a week for a few minutes to give it a good cleaning in the shower with a two straight. But the soapy toothbrush, not the one I use on my mouth. And yeah, I, I love it. I'm like a 110% bottom have always been my entire life. And yeah, just really love chastity.
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So what's in chastity for you? People out there will hear that you've, your dick's been locked up for 800 days. You're into denial, you're into chastity. Like the reward that we often seek when we have sex, particularly male bodied people have sex, is orgasm. That's the like payoff. What's the payoff when you're into chastity?
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Okay, that's such a great question. So you mentioned the word denial which I think is you know, the predominant idea for a lot of people when I think of chastity and for me it is a sort of denial of my dick. But being locked has really unlocked a lot of different parts of my sexuality that I think I wouldn't have been able to access if I were continually distracted by my dick. For me, I've always, like I said, I've always been a huge bottom. But the dick being there was a distraction from time to time. Distraction for, you know, tops that were playing with my dick. A distraction for me because eventually I want to play with my dick. And when you remove that from the equation, you know, all the other variables are more important, which is my hole, my throat, my body, everything else. It's kind of like when you close your eyes to listen to sounds better. By removing your dick from the equation, everything else becomes more important. And I've been able to explore a lot more kinks, a lot more dynamics in my sex life. And I'm, you know, since being locked these last couple of years, I'm having the best sex of my life.
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I've seen a couple of guys online, somebody comes to mind in particular off with his cock on Twitter, who've entirely removed their dicks from the equation. They're nullows. They've had their penises removed. And is that something that tempts you? Would you want to take the removal of your dick from the equation that far?
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Yeah. I don't know if you did your research before this podcast, but I actually just posted about this online like a week ago. I'm actually non binary and I'm having a non binary vaginoplasty in mid June. So, yes, that has crossed my mind quite a bit. And chastity has been a large part of my journey of me discovering and playing with my gender identity and realizing that I've never really associated my dick with who I am. And it's really been a distraction all my life. And for me, you know, I haven't really experienced. I don't think I've experienced a lot of gender dysphoria over the years, but what I have experienced is a lack of gender euphoria. And I've never been into having a dick. And it didn't really strike me until a few years ago when I started seeing Nellos and other non binary folks who've had bottom surgery online. It never really struck me that I could be non binary and trans and seek bottom surgery. So the Internet is an amazing and wonderful place and it can give you the representation that you need sometimes. And for me, that's exactly what happened. It's been a few years on this journey already and I'm excited to undergo this gender affirming procedure in June.
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Amazingly, this isn't what we were having you on the show to talk about. It's fascinating. I hadn't read your post. I hope I didn't stumble onto a subject that you weren't ready to talk about publicly.
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No, it's out online, so it is out there.
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And also a little advice from you for people out there who are interested in chastity, we, whether they're non binary and on a journey toward nullification or whether they're just interested in locking up. You say you have a titanium cage and a Prince Albert piercing. Right? Now that's incorporated into the cage so you can't remove it. You can't slip your dick out. I recently talked about chastity devices on the show and said that unless you invest in something like something from Steelworks Extreme, something titanium and get a pa, that a male chastity device is really just the honor system because in most instances you can slip out.
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Yeah, that is true. And you know, everyone's chastity journey is different, right? It can be different things for different people. There are even locked tops out there, which is really fascinating and hot and sexy. And I think, you know, chastity is a journey, just like sex is a journey. You know, it's not necessarily about the destination or about the orgasm. And I tell people, if you're interested, if there's anything that at all, like, tickles your fancy about chastity or piques your curiosity, you know, go get a cage and try it. There are some really amazing cages out there. I have to do a plug for this company. They're based in the East Bay outside San Francisco called Kink3D. They make these really amazing 3D printed cages that are super customizable in terms of like and all the different sizes. So there's something for everyone out there. But, you know, those are a nicer product and they cost upwards of $150. If you want to start cheap, like, find something. I hate to say it, but there are knockoffs on Amazon that are not as good. So, you know, I, I started with a, with a knockoff and eventually upgraded to a kink 3D cage. And I wore that cage for almost a year before realizing, oh, you know, I'm ready to take the next step. So eventually I got pierced because I wanted to engage in pierced chastity. I didn't like the fact that I could pull out the back, even though I never did. For me, it was just kind of a signaling for me of a way to deepen my chastity practice and my commitment. But I was Getting a lot of pinching between the jewelry and the kink 3D cage. So that's when I realized I had to go to a more custom integrated PA solution. And there's a bunch of different companies out there that, that make those cages.
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Now, one more question about chastity that I promise we'll talk about what you wanted to come on the show to talk about. There are studies that show that regular ejaculation lowers a male person's male body, person's assigned male at birth, person's chances of developing prostate cancer later in life. So whenever I meet somebody and I've met people into chastity who will tell me that they haven't had an orgasm for two years, maybe some nocturnal emissions, maybe some semen leakage during when they're getting fucked or using large toys, but no orgasms. And I always something in the back of my head, I have worst case scenario disorder. Something in the back of my head always goes but, ah, prostate cancer. Prostate cancer. Was that ever a concern for you?
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That's a really great question. It wasn't a concern for me, although I am very well aware of that, I guess kind of that medical information that, you know, regular ejaculations are good for the prostate. And maybe this is a call to all locked, locked subs out there, learn how to come from being locked. That's, that's our, you know, biological imperative if we're going to stay locked and healthy and, you know, preserve our prostates. I will say for me, I, as part of my practice again, it's different for everyone, but I do let myself come roughly once every couple of weeks or a month maybe. It's like I'm a about to, you know, go on family vacation and I don't need to be this horny or things at work are really crazy and I need to not be distracted. And I do use a vibrator on my cage about once a month or so to come. But also while I'm getting fucked, I have had full on like real cum shooting orgasms just from getting fucked. And I do a lot of toy play, fisting, other things as well that I think I would guess massage my prostate in a healthy way.
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All right, let's talk about fisting. That's what you actually came on the show to talk about. What is the new thing that you did that you tried that you wanted to share with my listeners?
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Yes. So there were two things I tried that weekend. I was asked to be one of the fisting bottoms at SF Rubber Weekend's fisting bingo. And everyone's probably asking, what is fisting bingo? It is exactly what you think it is. There is a crowd of people with bingo cards, and there are human bingo machines. The human bingo machines are basically, you know, where the balls come out of. And a drag queen for this event calls the numbers, and everyone plays bingo.
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Okay. Social conservatives tried to warn us about the slippery slope from drag queen bingo to fisting bingo, and it turns out they were right. We have arrived at fisting. So you're thinking about the ball. When you're thinking about the balls at bingo, they're usually in a tumbler, and somebody reaches in and pulls out a ball randomly. And so you were the tumbler that the balls were in.
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Yeah. So, I mean, logistically, there are a lot of balls. There's, I think, 75 balls in American bingo. And. And so, yeah, that's a lot of balls to fit in one person. So for this event, there were five human bingo machines. I was one of the five. All the number balls were in one bucket and a fisting top. There were a few would go around to each bottom, and when it was kind of that bottom's turn to be on, they would take a few of the balls, put them in, and then fist them out. So, you know, I don't know if it would be possible to fit all 75 balls in one person at the same time and turn them into, like, you know, the human version of the bingo ball tumbler, but that certainly would be hot. But, yeah, logistically, you know, there are logistics and human limitations that get in the way, I suppose.
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So how many balls did you have in you in you at one time?
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Usually like three or four, maybe five. It was hard to tell sometimes. But, yeah, like, the fisting top would go from one bottom, you know, put in a few balls, fist them out. And I will say I props to the organizers. The tops were using gloves while fisting and would switch gloves in between bottoms, you know, for safety and risk reduction. And so, yeah, they would go to one bottom, put in a few balls, fist them out. The drag queens calling the numbers the whole time, and then they move on to the next bottom, and then they put in more few balls, fist those out. They did that until we played a few rounds of bingo until someone got, you know, five in a row, and then they did another bingo. But then eventually we ended with a full blackout. Like, someone needed to get, you know, fill out their entire bingo card.
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And so this kind of. It's sexual and it's play, but it's not like creating a lot of erotic tension. It's not a scene. It's not sex. So how did you experience this? It doesn't sound like a sensual experience. It sounds like a performative experience. And not. I hope you don't take offense at this, but did you feel like a sight gag, almost like you're the bingo ball tumbler, but a human being being fisted and having balls fisted out of him? Did. Were you aroused or were you just proud of your physical abilities at that moment?
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I mean, a little bit of everything. So I definitely have an exhibitionist streak. So that was kind of what was in it for me. Like, I've gotten fisted in front of crowds at, you know, Folsom Street Fair in San Francisco and things like that before. But I also love play, like, an aspect of play during sex. And this, like, really, you know, it hit all the things. It had, the exhibitionism in it. I had just this, like, silly fun. You know, there was literally a drag queen standing next to me, like, calling out numbers and making jokes like they do at drag bingo. And at the same time, I'm having this really, you know, physically hot, you know, sensation of getting fisted, which is, you know, can be an intense experience. So, like, it was fun, it was hot, it was erotic. It was like the whole exhibitionist voyeur thing happening in the room. It was kind of just like one of those moments where I'm just like, I feel like this could only happen in San Francisco and a handful of other cities, maybe a fistful of other cities. But it did make me think, like, wow, this is definitely. This is on my San Francisco bingo card. So I get to mark that box off.
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I've been to San Francisco. Not on my bingo card. But your bingo card is. Not my bingo card. But your bingo card is. Okay, one last question. One of the maxims about butt toys is needs a base without a base without a trace. You could lose a sex toy inside yourself. Was that a concern? Were they keeping a close and accurate count on the number of balls that went into a boy to make sure they got that number of balls out? And was it a concern that a ball might go so far up it wasn't retrievable?
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Yes, this was discussed among all of the human bingo machines and the organizers well in advance. Like, what were people comfortable with? One ball at a time, a few balls at a time. The balls themselves were basically just ping pong balls. And so I think all of the human bingo machines were comfortable with a few balls being inserted in them at a time. And the fisting tops were very careful to keep track of the balls and make sure anything didn't get lost. I will say there is an anecdote from a previous fisting bingo in San Francisco where someone, one of the fisting bingo machines got home later that night and. And eventually passed one of the bingo balls, which is sad because that person who needed that, you know, 0.75 to fill out their blackout card, like, I'm sorry, you were never going to win. So that's why I think this year the organizers and the fisting tops were very careful, you know, about asking what fisting, what the human bingo machines were comfortable with. And everyone, you know, discussed that from. From a consent and safety and, you know, risk reduction level. Like, I feel like everything was really well covered by the organizers.
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Hopefully better accounting practices this year too. That only could have happened where they lost track of the numbers of balls that were in play or had been inserted. And it seems to me that you need somebody there with one of those little accountant visors on who's keeping close track of the numbers of balls in play. And in the bottom fisting tumblers. How many people saw you play the role of the bingo ball tumbler and did that have a. You said you have an exhibitionistic thing. Did that also make you feel objectified? Do you have an objectification kink too?
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Yes, I suppose I do. I do have a little bit of an objectification kink because, yeah, being there as an item, as an installation in the room meant to just distribute these balls was also pretty hot. There were probably. There were at least a few dozen people in the room. I would say maybe between 40 and 50 people.
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And what were the prizes? The people who got the bingos, what did they get?
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There were, I believe there were some Mr. S leather gift cards, I think, and a few sex toys and things like that. It was SF rubber weekend. That was the other thing that was new to me is I'd never worn latex before, so I was also in a little latex get up, which is also fun and exciting. But yeah, everything was kind of on
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theme and point of order, just point of clarity, you weren't pushing the balls out. They were putting them in and then reaching in and pulling them out. On cue from the drag?
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Yes, exactly. Although, I mean, I felt them. I could certainly push them out if I wanted to. But yes, the tops were doing all the work.
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And were you douching like three days in advance?
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No, for me, I think I've gotten My clean out practices down pretty well, so I cleaned out a few hours before and was ready to go, Max.
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And that was fascinating. We usually end these things by saying, any advice for anybody else out there who might want to try the thing that you tried? But there are so many bars a person has to clear before they want to try the thing that you tried. They have to be into fisting. They have to be into voyeurism and exhibitionism. They have to be able to enjoy that intersection of kind of playful, fun, jokey, but also sensual and sexual that some people can't tap into in a scene. But if somebody out there listening clears all those bars, what is your advice for somebody who wants to be the bingo ball? Tumblr. What did you learn from this experience? What would you tell Maxson about it? If you could go back in time and tell yourself what you needed to know before you went and did it and tell somebody else the same thing?
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I mean, I would say do it. If you're an exhibition into, you know, if you're into fisting, if you're into just like kind of the silly aspect that sex can sometimes, you know, bring in, I would say go for it. And maybe, you know, a larger message to everyone is, you know, if you're into chastity, if anything at all piques your interest, go try it. You don't have to be locked up forever. You can be locked for a day or for a few hours. And I think, honestly, I wouldn't be where I am today if it weren't for chastity, because chastity is the kink that was like the gateway kink for me to fisting, to exhibitionism, to all these other things. So, yeah, go get yourself a cage, everyone. And then a few years later, you can also be a human fisting dingo machine.
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Chastity. Not for most people, though, the gateway kink to nullification.
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And for me, actually, it's vaginoplasty, not nullification.
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Pardon me. Pardon me. Yeah, you did say that.
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Yeah, yeah, no, so it's all good. But, yeah, I think that is not, not typically the norm, but for some it is. I've been talking to a lot of people who, who have. Who chastity has helped them realize, you know, certain ways that they feel about their body. So. But not everyone, certainly. I think that's, you know, the exception, not the norm.
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You said that you're locked and sometimes you unlock once a week for cleaning. Who has the key? Are you able to unlock yourself? Or do you have to go to somebody.
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I am self locked. I used to have a key holder at the very, very beginning of my journey because it was nice to have that additional support and that extra layer of accountability. But after a while for me, I realized that I had, you know, all of the willpower and determination within myself. And logistically it was annoying to have to go somewhere to get unlocked or almost ask someone can I unlock? And then wait for them to text me back for me to use the key that I had at home. So eventually I took back all my keys and realized that I could be my own key holder.
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Maxson, thank you so much for coming on After Action Report.
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Thanks for having me Dan.
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Thank you Maxson and good luck with the surgery. And to those of you for whom Bingo used to conjure up images of Midwestern Friday fish fries and old ladies wearing polyester, Sorry or you're welcome depending on how you feel right now, maybe your interest in Bingo has been revived. If you want to learn more about Maxson and their journey, you can follow them on all social media platforms at MaximCaged. And if you had an experience that you want to tell me about and tell my listeners about, send us an email at Qavage Love. Tell us what you tried and you might be our next guest here on After Action. After Action Report this episode of the Savage Lovecast is brought to you by Load Boost by VB Health. Load Boost is a supplement designed to improve the taste, the volume and the overall health of your semen. If you're already putting in the work, why not make your performance unforgettable? Made in the USA NSF certified and produced in an FDA registered facility. Thousands of guys across 50 states and 45 countries swear by loadboost. If you want bigger finishes and better reviews from your audiences. If you want better taste, better mouthfeel, go to loadboost.com today and use code savage for 10% off. Or click the link in this week's episode description. That's loadboost.com and use offer Code Savage.