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Monica
Foreign. You're listening to After Action Report at Savage Love.
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Dan Savage
After Action Report. Welcome to After Action Report, where adventurous Savage Love cast listeners share stories of awesome and sometimes not so awesome new sexual experiences. This week we meet Monica, who decided to enter the twilight world of the footnight as a foot model. Monica, welcome to the show.
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Monica
Hi. Thank you for having me.
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Dan Savage
So before we get to what you did, tell us a little bit about who you are.
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Monica
I am a 58 year old divorcee
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Dan Savage
living in my jaw you guys can't see. All of you listening. My jaw dropped. You are the youngest looking 58 year old I've ever seen.
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Monica
Thank you, I appreciate that.
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Dan Savage
I'm gonna go get laminated wherever you got laminated.
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Monica
No good genetics. And use sunscreen. I haven't tanned my face since I was 22. So anyway, I live in Southern California. I live outside of a major metropolitan area in Southern California. And I'm an accountant by day and apparently a foot bottle by night.
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Dan Savage
A foot what?
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Monica
By night a foot model.
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Dan Savage
So tell us about it. Tell us about your first time.
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Monica
Well, is that your. At your suggestion, I'm a Magnum soap. I've been listening to the podcast diligently and you've talked many times about foot people and foot fetishes and if people just go out and blah, blah, blah, blah. So I started looking it up and so I looked upnight International on the web and submitted an application, said, hey, they had an event scheduled near me. So I signed up for it and she accepted me. And so I went, I got a pedicure that day. I went to, you know, drove up to the event, you know, picked up my outfit, you know, decided what I was going to wear and then went to this location that was just basically in a industrial mall, like a rented office space.
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Dan Savage
So who were the people organizing this again? You tossed out the name of the org like we would all recognize it. What do you think?
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Monica
Oh, sorry, it's. Sorry, Footnight, Footnight International. You can get to them on footnight.com
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Dan Savage
and they host foot parties all over the world.
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Monica
Yeah, all over the country. You know, I'm sure that they would expand if they haven't already, but they have them all over, you know, in all a lot of major cities, like once a month. And, you know, gentlemen need to be vetted. I say gentlemen just because it's open to everybody. But you just, you typically don't see women
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Dan Savage
with a foot fetish out there.
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Monica
Right, right. So then they go on and they have to be, you know, vetted. Sign up and then buy a ticket to their event and then the models are there when they show up. And so what, what appealed to you
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Dan Savage
about going to an event and being a foot model? Was it just stepping outside your comfort zone? Was it like having an adventure? Do you like having your feet touched?
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Monica
Well, so, yeah, so I don't really have a foot fetish myself. Like, that's not one of my personal kinks. But I love getting a pedicure, I love getting a foot rub and because when I looked at the website, it seemed legit and I thought, you know, why not I would give it a try and see how it went. And so I did and it was really, really interesting.
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Dan Savage
So tell us about that. I call it the through the airlock moment. Like there's a moment before you've been a foot model at a foot fetish party and there's the moment after you walk through that door to be the foot model at the foot fetish party. What was walking through that door like
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Monica
a little bit nerve wracking. I have my own confidence. But there's a bouncer at the door, so he checks you in. Both the models and the guests, the attendees have to be on the list. So then they walk you in. And I met the organizer and she sort of showed me around and sort of explained how it works out. And they just. It's basically like a lounge area and there are like little groups of seating, you know, might be a booth or a couple of chairs over here and some shoji screens. So then you just mingle about. So you just like this? Yeah, like I said, it's kind of like a little loungey area, but it's, you know, office space. And so then the women are just, you know, wearing whatever they want to wear. And there's definitely. It was a variety of women that were there. Some of them are definitely professional sex workers. Like that's their full time job. A lot of people are side hustle like me or you know, just adventure. Right, an adventure. Part of their kink. Part of their kink practice, whatever it is that, you know, they're into. So yeah, it was really interesting because the gals that I spoke with were all really interesting and very nice and some of them been doing it for a long time. Some of them hadn't. Everybody had their. They had their little niche, what kind of shoes they were wearing, who they thought that they were going to appeal to. And then, yeah, then the gentlemen start showing up and then they mill about and I felt like there was a lot of Very introverted men who were probably very socially awkward to begin with. And so they're going to have a hard time talking to women in a regular setting, much less get to, I want to lick your feet, you know? Yeah.
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Dan Savage
Which is not to say that there aren't guys out there who have game, who have foot fetishes. But the kind of guy who doesn't have game and has a foot fetish may be likelier to wind up at a party like this rather than negotiating his kink with women he meets out in the world. So you say the guests or the guys?
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Monica
Let's just call them the guys.
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Dan Savage
I'm sure there were no women there who paid to get in. No, the guys are vetted for safety. How were you vetted? Did you have to show pictures of your feet?
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Monica
Yeah, I had to show pictures of my feet and my face. You have to, you know, fill out a little form on the website and, you know, say how you heard about it and why, you know, why you want to do it, where you're going to do it. And that's really it. You know, it's. It's really. They obviously, they need people who have nice speech. She knows what, you know, people are looking for. It has a lot to do with your foot size and how willing you are to, you know, have your picnic. If you do have to send her a picture of your face, they want to know what you look like. But that. That doesn't really seem to necessarily be a deterrent.
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Dan Savage
Why do you say that?
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Monica
Just because there's, again, some quirky characters that are at the event.
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Dan Savage
I guess if the guy is face down on the floor looking at your feet, the face card is less important. The face is pretty far away and not in focus.
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Monica
One gal I know who kind of reminded me of Patty from My Name is Earl, they had Patty, the daytime hooker. She was just wearing, like, jeans and a flannel shirt and no makeup, and she had on stinky shoes. And she's like, yeah, some guys like stinky shoes. And she's like, they don't care about what you're wearing or whether you have your makeup done. And so it's like, you know, here I am with my makeup done and a nice outfit. You know, do, like, this whole, like, you know, sexy little outfit thing.
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Dan Savage
So the guys arrive, and how is it that they get to interact with any individual models?
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Monica
Oh, because we're just milling about. Yeah, there's, like, there's some snacks, and we're just sitting in chairs or standing around, around like, you're. It's kind of. This last time, when I did it this last time, it reminded me of probably sort of like a brothel, but there's no sex involved. Like, they have to be wearing clothes. No gray sweatpants are allowed. They can't touch themselves. So, yeah, so they just mingle with the girls. And, you know, a lot of times they're looking at your feet, or they'll talk to you for a minute, they'll introduce themselves, and then they ask if you would like to session. And a session is generally 10 minutes. And then they give you $20 for your time, and then you negotiate what they want you to do in that 10 minutes. And a lot of times they just want to press your feet to their face and lick.
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Dan Savage
File it away. Because they're definitely going to jack off about it later.
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Monica
Oh, absolutely, absolutely. And they're like, you know, they'll do whatever they're going to do to, like, maintain themselves, but, you know, nobody whips it out. The bouncer at the door. And then there's a couple of guys that are in the room that are part of the organization. They're just keeping an eye out in case anybody gets out of hand. But they said that because they have to be vetted ahead of time a little bit, you know, whatever, to whatever degree she. That's them. It's all very calm, so it's very quiet. And so then, yeah, you just spend time. And then if you're there and they want to spend more time with you, they'll pay you another $20. And so you just go on like that for as long as you feel like it. And you can leave whenever you want. Nobody's obligated to stay.
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Dan Savage
Did it feel a little bit like waiting to get picked for the team in gym, in PE in middle school, did some of the girls not get picked at all?
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Monica
No. They do a good job of trying to balance it. And again, the organizer knows what the gentlemen are looking for. And then she tries to kind of match it with the models so that you have a variety. And there's one guy who has, like a VIP room. So he has, like a little private room. And again, he's very introverted, but he's extremely kind and very nice and very polite. And he'll do a thing where he'll go around. He'll go, okay, I want five girls. And it's like, I want everybody who's got pink nail toenail polish on. And then he'll bring them all into his little VIP area and have Them all put their feet on them all at once. And you know, he's just very sweet and quirky, socially awkward.
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Dan Savage
It's fascinating that the organizers, it makes sense that they would want to keep supply and demand in equal, rough, equal balance, not to waste the time of the models. If there were 10 times as many models as there were potential clients or guys, then why would a model go back if they didn't get any private sessions, if they didn't make any money?
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Monica
Right. So it does go around and sometimes it does depend. It depends on your outfit, depends on your attitude, depends on whatever. If you, I mean, there's people who don't like my size feet, you know, they're, they're there for somebody particularly, you know, they only want women with size 7ft. They only want, you know, whatever it is that they're looking for. So it's an interesting dynamic.
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Dan Savage
Okay, so there was that moment where you walked in the door. There was that moment before you were a foot model where you were doing low key sex work. And the moment that you were in the room that you, you'd bungee jumped. Yeah, you're in there. What was the first session like? The first guy who came up to you, asked you like, describe that.
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Monica
Yeah, so I was just, you know, standing there having some soda water or you know, water, whatever it was that I was drinking at the time. And yeah, he just came up and he introduced himself and we chatted for a little bit. He asked me if I was, you know, if I was there to model, which is ridiculous that I wouldn't be.
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Dan Savage
But you know, okay, I'm here for the hors d'.
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Monica
Oeuvres. Right, right, exactly. I'm here for the chips. But that's part of it. This is that socialization. They're trying to just socialize. How would you socialize in a bar? So you have to think of it sort of like a little bit like a, you know, like a low key bar setting, but like there's no alcohol. So. Yeah. So he comes up and we chatted for just a few minutes. He asked me if I wanted to session and I said yes. And so then we just. Where would you like to sit? And so we just find a space that we can sit comfortably. I asked him what he wanted to do and he wanted to lick my feet, but I was wearing boots and he wanted to take my boots off and strip my boots off and sniffed into the boot really deeply. And then, you know, as he just really cherished my feet and you know, other guys will Sit there and they just want to rub your feet. So you just sit on the couch in plain view and have somebody just rub your feet and your legs. And they're paying you to sit there and do it and chat with you, and they just want to have a conversation and rub your feet while they do it.
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Dan Savage
I know that you said no gray sweatpants allowed.
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Monica
Yeah.
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Dan Savage
But guys aren't dinged if they're visibly aroused. Right. If they're. They gotta be excited about this.
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Monica
Well, there's a lot of eye contact going on.
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Dan Savage
You're not looking down.
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Monica
Right? Right. If you haven't seen the. If you haven't seen the show Schmigadoon, I think you recommended it.
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Dan Savage
I love Schmigadoon. I wish I could go see it on Broadway now.
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Monica
Right. And then the second one when she did Schmacago, and then she's like, ooh, $20. You just bought yourself some eye contact.
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Dan Savage
You know, I'm thinking about the kind of guys who might go to an event like this who may have social anxiety, who may be on the spectrum. And I almost think if I knew a guy like that who didn't have a foot fetish, I might send him to an event like this.
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Monica
Right. Just to be able to socialize, like,
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Dan Savage
give a couple of foot rubs. Because you're allowed to interact with the women there. Like, it's maybe less nerve wracking for the guy to practice talking to women in a room where the women, just by dint of being in that room or welcome that conversation. It doesn't mean that you have to session with anybody who wants to session with you. I'm sure you're allowed to use your discretion and you can say no. But at the very least, these guys who probably don't have a lot of practice or a comfort level with interacting with women, probably left having interacted with. If it was their first time at a party like this, more women in the couple of hours they were there than they've interacted with in the last decade.
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Monica
Oh, absolutely.
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Dan Savage
A way to build social. That social skill or exercise that muscle.
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Monica
Exercise that muscle, for sure. And that's the way I feel like. I feel like I'm doing them a favor. I try to chat with them, you know, as they're doing whatever they want to do to my feet. Again, mostly it's pleasurable for me. It doesn't. Doesn't bother me. They're not tickling. If they want to tickle, they can negotiate that. Most of them just want to sniff and lick on your feet and rub them. So that's all fine and dandy, but me and the other women there, we've often joked about how awkward they are. And even though they know that we're there for them and we're going to say yes, we want, you know, we want to let them do whatever they want to do to our feet, they still have that hard time. So they. I mean, that is a good idea for socially awkward people. But then you've mentioned on the show in the past, too, people who've called in saying, you know, they're down on themselves. You know, I'm fat, I'm ugly. Who's going to. Who's going to love me? Go to kink Munches. That is such an accepting. And there's no body shaming. It's a wonderful venue for people to be able to find love and acceptance of themselves and their kinks, you know. So, yes, go to a foot fetish party, even if it's not your thing, just that you have a chance to interact with people in a safe and quiet environment.
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Dan Savage
So I often ask people on the show what advice they would have for somebody else interested in this. You've given such. Painted such a detailed portrait. I think you've given the advice. I want you to reach back into the Savage Love column archives and say something to this woman who wrote me decades ago, who broke up with her boyfriend because he'd been giving her foot rubs after her job, waiting tables, putting herself on the fridge.
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Monica
I remember that one.
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Dan Savage
And he only told her after six months or a year that he had a foot fetish. And she broke up with him because she didn't want to be with a creepy guy. And that's where I came up with the karma rule of Kink, which is if you break up with the honest foot fetishist, you will marry the dishonest necrophiliac. I think letting somebody go to town on your feet is where GGG is concerned, is the lowest of bars.
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Monica
Oh, absolutely.
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Dan Savage
Take the foot rub. What would you say to her? I just said what I would say to her. What would you say to that woman?
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Monica
She was a fool. If that was the only issue, if that was the only issue, these men, so many of them that I talked to, and like I said, some of these VIPs who I've seen now several times as I've gone back to do it, and they're such kind people, a lot of them do have very good jobs. It's that socially awkward, they're probably on the Spectrum. They, they could potentially be good partners for somebody, you know, if they could get past their awkwardness and, you know, again, there's somebody for everybody. I do believe that, you know, again, and I've seen it out in the, in the kink world, you know, so, you know, like, if they just sort of like, oh, if they just took a one more step, they might be able to get to, you know, actual relationship. But yeah, so for sure, if somebody has a foot fetish, you know, let them roll it out and, you know, be grateful that they want to rub on your feet. And then again, if it's, you know, if you don't like them sucking your toes because it tickles you, then say, don't do that.
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Dan Savage
So how many of these parties have you been to? And is this now a side hustle? How much money did you leave with at the end of your best night at one of these foot model parties?
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Monica
So, yeah, I've done it three times now, and I'm going to continue to do them because it's entertaining and it's a little bit of side money. I make about $300 for just a couple, you know, a couple hours of sitting around and having somebody rub my feet. And it pays for my actual massages and my pedicures and, you know, a nice dinner out.
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Dan Savage
And I know that a lot of my friends in Seattle when I first got here were strippers and they would have to pay the club to strip and then try to make it back in tips. And ideally, on a good night, they would make a lot more money. And so paying the house to be there was worth it. You didn't have to pay the house?
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Monica
No, you don't pay the house. They don't pay you either. But, you know, you only make what you make. So it's like you only want to go for an hour and you make 40 bucks because you only talk to a couple of people, then that's on you.
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Dan Savage
Monica, thank you so much for coming on after Action report.
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Monica
Oh, you're welcome. It's been a pleasure speaking with you.
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Dan Savage
Yay for you, Monica. Thank you for coming on the show. Thank you for sharing. So glad you gave this a whirl, that you had a good time, that you made some money and of course, made some very nerdy foot boys very happy wins all around. If you have a story you want to share, we're me and my listeners. Let us know what your story is, write it up and send it to me at Qavage Love, and you might be my next Guest on After Action Report. After Action Report.