Coo’dunnit? Pigeon Heists w/ Deacon Jacquis Neal

Summary

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Scam Goddess — "Coo’dunnit? Pigeon Heists" w/ Deacon Jacquis Neal

Release Date: January 20, 2026
Hosts: Laci Mosley ("Scam Goddess") and Jacquis Neal (guest, comedian/podcaster)

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Episode Overview

This comedic yet revealing episode of Scam Goddess, hosted by Laci Mosley with returning guest "Deacon" Jacquis Neal, dives headfirst into the surprisingly high-stakes and bizarre world of international pigeon racing—and the wave of massive pigeon heists that have rocked Europe in recent years. With their signature blend of sharp social commentary, relatable anecdotes, and nonstop jokes, Laci and Jacquis break down how racing pigeons became million-dollar assets, why criminal networks are now targeting these superstar birds, and how the international wealthy fuel a truly wild black market for avian athletes. Along the way, they dish on scams, personal confessionals, and deep-cut cultural observations, all told in their unfiltered, hilarious conversational style.

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Key Topics & Segments

1. Catch-up & Scam Confessions

[00:00–12:44]

• Reunion Banter: Laci welcomes back Jacquis ("the Deacon"), reminiscing about the comedy community “before everybody got too successful to see each other.”
• Personal Scam Story: Jacquis details a near-miss with a phishing phone scam, where fraudsters spoofed his credit union’s number and almost got his financial info—a cautionary tale about ever-trickier digital cons.
  • Quote: “They called me from my bank’s number! ...I was a little skeptical, but the timing was right. My aunt had just wired me money—so I was on the hook a little bit.” —Jacquis [05:13]
  • Laci reinforces her “bank calls are like jealous girlfriends, they don’t need you to confirm stuff they already know.”
• Running Joke: Mocking Jacquis’ defunct "Gain Credit Union" and how credit unions (and banks) handle phone scams.
  • “If you scam at Gang Credit Union, they coming to your house with a bat.” —Laci [04:54]
  • Laci: “Don’t give up, Deacon!” —Laci [11:34]
• Tangents: John Cena’s Twitter following spree, wrestling references, and the relatable shame of almost getting scammed after decades of warning others (“Almost 40, you can’t give up now!”).

2. Historic Hoodwinks: The Pigeon Racing Economy

[12:44–57:02]
The core of the episode: a deep dive into how pigeon racing became the world’s richest, weirdest sport and the wild crime spree it spawned.

The World of Pigeon Racing

• History & Facts:

  • Pigeon racing, while once working class, has turned into a billionaire’s obsessions—especially among Chinese tycoons after 2019.
  • Top racing pigeons fetch auction prices in the millions: Armando the pigeon sold for $1.4 million (2020), and Nu Kim for $1.9 million.
  • Pigeons have storied histories: war service, message carrying, even CIA spy missions.
  • “Pigeons are the Black people of birds!” —Laci [13:24]
  • “A pigeon is a dove, it’s just dark-skinned and was enslaved.” —Laci [13:32]

• Bird Stereotypes and Social Commentary:

  • Both hosts riff on how pigeons are unfairly maligned (“rats of the sky”) compared to doves, and the class/racial undertones in how we value different animals.
  • Jacquis admits: “I’m the white man of the pigeons. I’ve been discriminating.” [13:51]
  • Laci: “I used to discriminate against pigeons, but you’re changing me.” [14:47]

• The Pigeon Elite & Bird Wealth Inequality:

  • Pigeons now live in opulence: palatial “pigeon castles” in China, VIP trainers, private swimming pools. (Example: “Sunshine Pigeon Village” with a helipad! [32:05])
  • “Maybe I need to be with a pigeon trainer…I could've been the wife of a pigeon trainer!” —Laci [33:32]
  • Laci points out that ridiculous wealth leads to eccentric hoarding and hobbies: “When you get too much money, you start collecting Nazi memorabilia or betting millions on birds.” [31:04]

• Pigeon Genetics & Buying Bloodlines:

  • Breeders akin to sports scouts, seeking pigeons with “superstar bloodlines”—Finn the pigeon (“the Mona Lisa of the pigeon world”) was not for sale, but offspring fetch thousands.
  • “I’ve never seen a baby pigeon. The Morgan Freeman of birds—no one’s ever seen them young.” —Laci [41:06]

• Insane Odds & Globalization:

  • With gambling outlawed in China, pigeon races are a legal loophole that’s become a national mania and a global market—Belgian birds are especially prized as "elite stock."
  • “If black folks got into pigeon racing, we’d just snatch street pigeons and make a league like the NBA.” —Jacquis [38:51]

• Ethical Concerns:

  • Animal advocates oppose racing for subjecting birds to extreme endurance, danger, and even predator attacks.
  • “Bird on bird crime!” —Jacquis [34:49]

Pigeon Heists: True Crime Goes Feathery

• Crackdown & Black Market:

  • In 2023, as China’s government cracks down on conspicuous displays of wealth, the sport goes underground and theft rings go wild.

• The Heists Unfolded:

  • Ocean’s 11 for Birds: Meticulously organized break-ins at “pigeon lofts” in Belgium and the Netherlands—crooks cut holes in roofs, select only the finest birds, and escape with bags full of flapping feathered millionaires.
  • “They’re not taking any birds, only the specific ones—this is like Ocean’s Eleven!” —Laci [43:10]
  • Over 2.5 million euros' worth of racing pigeons stolen in a recent wave, with syndicates reportedly operating internationally.

• Investigation & Arrests:

  • The police make an arrest: a Romanian man found with 70 pigeons (none victorious), a secret coop of 17 stolen pigeons, and links traced via his family back in Romania.
    • “How many pigeons do you need to find a winner?” —Jacquis [49:48]
  • Recovered birds sometimes can't be reunited with owners; some have “grandchildren” (bloodline tracked by breeders).
  • “I never heard an animal with grandchildren.” —Jacquis [54:47]

• Unintended Comedy:

  • Laci’s “pigeon diaspora” and their elaborate tracking; quips about the “black market for black pigeons.”
  • Laci’s own failed attempt at keeping a bird (“She flew straight across the street, moved in with someone else. I wanted her stinky ass out.” [46:43])
  • Multiple animal tangents: cats, roaches racing, and pigeon's surprising longevity and resilience.

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• On Pigeon Prestige:
  • “Could you imagine being on the auction block for that? It’s like you next to a bird—they going for 1.9 million and nobody wanna buy you.” —Laci [28:46]
• On Wealth & Hobbies:
  • “Hoarding is a sign—either you’re very poor or very wealthy, just for different reasons. Look at all the weird stuff I’ve got!” —Laci [30:46]
• On Pigeon Parentage:
  • “He hung a billboard-sized photo of Finn on his wall. Called his fledging business ‘TVG Pigeons: Let Your Dreams of Winning Take Flight.’” —Laci [40:22]
• On the Sheer Surrealness:
  • “This is the craziest thing I’ve ever heard. Grand pigeons are recovered, but not the grandfather pigeon.” —Jacquis [56:30]
• On Pigeons as a Social Mirror:
  • “They really are Black—they got cousins, be having family reunions under the train tracks.” —Laci [57:06]
• On Pigeon Crime:
  • “We gotta blame the pigeons too—like Gain Credit Union, the blame can’t be laid at one foot!” —Jacquis [55:22]

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Notable Segments & Timestamps

• Jacquis’ Scam Phone Call Story / Phishing – [03:13–09:51]
• Historic Hoodwinks: How Pigeon Racing Took Off – [12:44–29:27]
• Auction Madness: Armando, Nu Kim, and Million-Dollar Birds – [28:10–29:27]
• Pigeon Castles & The Chinese Tycoon Invasion – [32:05–34:27]
• Ethics, Black Market, and Weird Animal Facts – [34:27–43:10]
• The Big Heist: Belgium Raids / Operation Cuckoo – [43:10–45:14]
• Phoebe the Runaway Bird (Laci's personal bird story) – [45:54–46:50]
• Stolen Pigeons, Black Market, Police Raids – [53:27–55:02]
• Pigeon Bloodline and the Unsolved Grand Theft – [55:06–56:30]
• Wrap-up, Reflections, and Shoutouts – [60:04–End]

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Tone & Style

• Irreverent, conversational, witty.
• Heavy on layered analogies: pigeons as an allegory for race, class, and resilience.
• Authentic laughs and asides: detours into pop culture, personal stories, and sly social critique (“Pigeons be family’d up, got cousins, cookouts, and reunions under the L in Chicago”).
• Always with an eye toward the ridiculousness of both scams and the lengths people will go to—for money, status, or just because “people are out here doing anything.”

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Episode Takeaways

• Pigeon racing is a vast, bizarre, and extremely lucrative underground world—with prize birds worth many times more than most people’s annual salaries.
• The globalization of the sport—fueled by Chinese billionaires in particular—has resulted in organized cross-border bird theft, turning pigeon "lofts" into targets.
• There are deep connections between the sport, cultural identity, class, and animal welfare (with some troubling ethics).
• The episode, while hilarious, underlines how scams constantly evolve—and anyone, no matter how savvy, can fall for them.
• Laci and Jacquis make a surprisingly heartfelt case for reevaluating our judgments about pigeons, and (as always) for “staying scheming” but in the most self-aware, cautionary way.

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Where to Find the Hosts

• Jacquis Neal: @acquisneil on Instagram, jacquisneil.com; host of Dropout TV’s "Crowd Control"
• Laci Mosley: @divalaci on all platforms; host, author, and star of the new Scam Goddess TV show (Hulu/Freeform)

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“Listen, if you pay $1.9 million for a goddamn bird, you deserve everything you get.” —Laci [58:54]

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Bottom Line:
If you want to laugh, learn, and maybe reconsider every pigeon you pass on the street, this episode delivers everything Scam Goddess does best: true con artistry meets true comedy, with a surprising amount of empathy—for the scammed, the schemers, and the birds alike.

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Transcript

[Lacey Mosley]

Scams C. Robbery and frauds. Scams.

[Jacquist Neil]

C.A.

[Lacey Mosley]

robbery and fraud. Scam Goddess. What's poppin, Congregation? It's your girl, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. Back to you with the comedy podcast all about robbery, fraud, and those who practice it. Sometimes we love them, sometimes we hate them. We will the way. Yes. And the Ticketmaster word for the discount is Goddess. For the live shows that I am doing in Chicago, Dallas, Irving, Texas, and San Francisco. Yes. Pull up on me. I'mma pull up on you. Y' all already know I'm very. What? Yes. Excited, thrilled, elated to have a homecoming Mm. Of the Deacon.

[Jacquist Neil]

Wow.

[Lacey Mosley]

The deacon on this show. Okay, now listen. We can't start the new year without one of the besties. You might recognize his voice from everywhere. No, seriously, the NDAs are thick, but he is with us all the time. You can't see it, but I'm looking suspiciously side to side.

[Jacquist Neil]

I don't know what you're talking about. I don't know what you're talking about.

[Lacey Mosley]

His voice can be heard on the Nickelodeon shows and films and Netflix and video games and commercials and more. He hosts his hit monthly show, Comedian Clash, and you've seen him on Dropout TV in his hit show Crowd Control, which is coming back for a season two. Congregation, please welcome back the Deacon Jacquist Neil to the show. Amen. Amen. A scam.

[Jacquist Neil]

Hallelujah. Hallelujah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Gotta pronounce the J.

[Jacquist Neil]

You gotta pronounce. You got. We gotta pronounce every letter. What up?

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes.

[Jacquist Neil]

What's up, Lacey?

[Lacey Mosley]

What's up, Jacques?

[Jacquist Neil]

It's been too long.

[Lacey Mosley]

I know it has. It's so good to see you.

[Jacquist Neil]

You know what I love about. Yeah. You know what I love about people popping and. And people having success is they have success, but then you don't see. We don't see each other anymore because everybody's doing. Everybody's working. So, like, whenever we see each other, it's always in passing, but it's always like a beautiful. It's so good to see you. It's like. Which is nice. Which is nice. Which is nice.

[Lacey Mosley]

I. You, too.

[Jacquist Neil]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

You know, like, I've been trying to hunt your ass down. Luckily, we have social media, I guess. So I can see what you up.

[Jacquist Neil]

We can see. We can see with each other up to. Yeah, but we use. I think people. One day, people are going to, like, look back on our era of comedy and be like, oh, they used to actually see each other and do shows, like, four or five days a week together.

[Lacey Mosley]

We used to see each other all the time, coming up all the time at our little cult every week seeing each other.

[Jacquist Neil]

And now, now look at us now.

[Lacey Mosley]

And I'm proud.

[Jacquist Neil]

I'm proud I'm black. I'm proud of you.

[Lacey Mosley]

Now, we always ask on this show, you know, Deacon. Oh, you know, what is your relationship with scams right now? Do you love them? Do you hate him? Has anything happened, like, anything you want

[Jacquist Neil]

to talk about now? You know, I didn't. I didn't. I didn't admit it to some crimes on this, on this podcast.

[Lacey Mosley]

It will be on the statute of limitations.

[Jacquist Neil]

Yeah, they on the statute.

[Lacey Mosley]

Going to come knock it.

[Jacquist Neil]

I look at my young self and I'm even talking like two, three years ago. I was like, nigga, what was you doing? You was talking too much. You was too. Because now I got money. And I'm like, brother, you may have fucked up your money four years ago, but so you know, I love a scam. I got scammed. I got real scammed. I got real scammed. Now I will say, because I feel people. I feel. I know people are getting tight, like, oh, Jack Keys. No money was taken because I caught it. I caught it before the money was taken. Okay, all right. Here's what I didn't know. I felt like a boom. I feel like a boomer. I felt like a boom boom, baby. Because, like, I didn't know there was a thing called phishing. Have you ever heard of this?

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes, of course.

[Jacquist Neil]

I ain't never heard of this shit. I seen it, but I ain't never experienced it. Cause I'm like, you ain't been phished. I ain't never been phished.

[Lacey Mosley]

I get a scam likely call at least once or twice a day.

[Jacquist Neil]

But I get. No, no, that's the thing. I get a scam likely call. Great. And if it's a number I don't recognize, so I'm not picking up, These motherfuckers called me from my bank's number like they fish.

[Lacey Mosley]

They can replicate the number.

[Jacquist Neil]

They can replicate the number. So I get a call and this pops up on my bank. I'm gonna put em on blast. Cause I ain't with em no more. Gang Credit Union. And I'm like, oh, gang call Union.

[Lacey Mosley]

Gang, Gang, Gang Credit Union.

[Jacquist Neil]

Gain, gain, gain. With an N G, A, I, N. Although, gang, if I was with Gang Credit Union, I would deserve.

[Lacey Mosley]

I thought you were like. I'm talking about gang. Gang.

[Jacquist Neil]

Yeah, I was that gang. Yeah. I got my cousin back in the back in the way.

[Lacey Mosley]

Honestly, though, gang credit union. I'm.

[Jacquist Neil]

I wouldn't fuck with gang. Gang credit union.

[Lacey Mosley]

I feel like they got a bat in the trunk. Like, they not playing no games.

[Jacquist Neil]

Yeah, you scam on gang credit union. They coming to your crib with the bat. They gonna. I might listen. Where the homies at?

[Lacey Mosley]

Right?

[Jacquist Neil]

Where the homies at? So gain credit union. It wasn't homies.

[Lacey Mosley]

It wasn't homies as in gaining assets.

[Jacquist Neil]

Exactly.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay, okay.

[Jacquist Neil]

So I get a call gain. And like, first is like. The first is like the. The. The non American speaking person. So, you know, I'm like, did they live in India? I. I don't remember where they lived, but it was somewhere around there. It was India, Asia.

[Lacey Mosley]

I want to go to the call centers in India. Cause I know it has to be

[Jacquist Neil]

a time I could hear it. That should have been my first tip. Because I can hear shit in the background. I'm like, why is so loud? It's loud as hell back there. Like, what is y' all doing? What's going on? There's too much going on. Right? But I'm like. But they was like, hey, we got a, like a wire that came to your, like, your, like, bank account and something that's going on. We think you may have been frauded. Now, here's where I kind of fucked up. Cause my aunt had just wired me something. And who wires anything? Like, but she owes. So she wired me something. So I'm like, oh, maybe she messed up. So I was like, okay, this. I was a little skeptical. So they had me on the hook a little bit. I was like. The timing was right.

[Lacey Mosley]

Cause auntie was doing auntie activities.

[Jacquist Neil]

Auntie was doing auntie activities. And so they was like. I was like, oh, okay. So he was like, do you wanna speak to the next person? Which should have been my second tip off. Cause I'm like, why you ain't the person, right? You called me. You called me. You should be the person.

[Lacey Mosley]

Cause I'm not the person.

[Jacquist Neil]

You not the person.

[Lacey Mosley]

How you gonna call me? Talking about something. Hold on.

[Jacquist Neil]

Yeah, right. You called me.

[Lacey Mosley]

Hey.

[Jacquist Neil]

Hello. All right. Can you hold on for a second?

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. We gotta get the next person.

[Jacquist Neil]

We gotta get the next person for. So then I get. Then it's quiet. I get the next person. It's quiet. American speaking person. So now I'm disarmed.

[Lacey Mosley]

Wow.

[Jacquist Neil]

The xenophobia jumps out.

[Lacey Mosley]

The xenophob.

[Jacquist Neil]

Listen, you get quiet in America, and I'm like, I'm disarmed.

[Lacey Mosley]

I don't understand why you were calmed by an American accent.

[Jacquist Neil]

I shouldn't have been.

[Lacey Mosley]

We. We.

[Jacquist Neil]

Not the ones.

[Lacey Mosley]

I've lived in Europe. I've lived all. And. And sometimes I don't get discriminated because I'm black or a woman. I get discriminated against when I open my mouth and this American accent comes out. Cuz they know this is a scam.

[Jacquist Neil]

Exactly.

[Lacey Mosley]

They know we live in a scam country.

[Jacquist Neil]

And I should have known. Again, that should have been my third tip off. That should have been my third tip off. And it wasn't like I should have got like a nice white lady from jump and I got like somebody non American. And then some like, I don't know what he sounded like, but some dude I should have been.

[Lacey Mosley]

And then he got a Michael.

[Jacquist Neil]

I got a Michael. Michael. And then dude just started asking me questions and eventually had me give him my credit card number to be like,

[Lacey Mosley]

what types of questions was.

[Jacquist Neil]

He was just like, this is what happened. This is the wire. This is the amount. We just want to verify. Like, can you verify your like your bank, your card number? And I was like, okay, does that. He was like, what's three digit? And the whole time I'm in my

[Lacey Mosley]

head, how many digits on the back?

[Jacquist Neil]

He asked me for the cvv.

[Lacey Mosley]

No, not the cvv.

[Jacquist Neil]

He asked me for. I don't even know what CVV stand for. He asked me for.

[Lacey Mosley]

I don't know what it stands for.

[Jacquist Neil]

What do CVV stand for, Jess?

[Lacey Mosley]

What does CVV stand for? Can we pull that up?

[Jacquist Neil]

Credit verification Varieties.

[Lacey Mosley]

Variety. Credit verification Value.

[Jacquist Neil]

Value.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's what I'm saying.

[Jacquist Neil]

He asked me for the credit verification value and I gave him that shit. Why was you.

[Lacey Mosley]

Now, now, Ja', Kees, now listen. You know I know if your bank is calling you and I've said this many moons ago, I'm gonna say it again. Your bank is like a jealous girlfriend who went through your phone. They know everything already. They don't need you to confirm things that they know.

[Jacquist Neil]

Listen, lacey, I'm almost 40, all right? And I'm starting to.

[Lacey Mosley]

You cannot give up on.

[Jacquist Neil]

I'm almost 40.

[Lacey Mosley]

Lacey, listen, you are a deacon in this church. You cannot slide into elderism.

[Jacquist Neil]

But let me tell you are still young. I listen, by the time I gave him everything, I was like, this don't feel right. So as soon as I hung up, I called game back. And I was like, did y' all just call me? And they was like, nah, brother, you. You got got. And I had to shut it all down. I shut it all down. I changed banks. I ain't gonna say my bank name.

[Lacey Mosley]

So it wasn't even gang's fault.

[Jacquist Neil]

It was my fault.

[Lacey Mosley]

It wasn't gang's fault. You left gang.

[Jacquist Neil]

I left gang. I did. I was like, if y' all two. If y' all weak enough to get your number fished, I don't want to be with your bank no more.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay, but they fishing. Everybody bank.

[Jacquist Neil]

Nah, nah. I gotta. I gotta lay blame somewhere else besides all at my feet. I can't lay blame. I can't just keep the blame right on me. I need somebody to be mad at me.

[Lacey Mosley]

Gang.

[Jacquist Neil]

And so I left gang. I left gang. Gang was on some other shit, too. And that was the final straw. I was like, it's time to go.

[Lacey Mosley]

They were on some other shit.

[Jacquist Neil]

And I got scammed. I got scammed. But I caught it, though. I came back to my millennium.

[Lacey Mosley]

You did.

[Jacquist Neil]

I came back, I caught it. And they didn't take no money out. Why we got John Cena.

[Lacey Mosley]

What is this?

[Jacquist Neil]

That's me. If I send you in, I gave up.

[Lacey Mosley]

Well, yeah, we gotta post this on Instagram. If I send this, it means that I gave up John Cena in a headlock, which looks to be by John Cena.

[Jacquist Neil]

By Gunther. John Cena just retired, like two days ago. That was his retirement match.

[Lacey Mosley]

This is his retirement match.

[Jacquist Neil]

He done, he finished, he finito.

[Lacey Mosley]

23 year career that declined. I'm sorry. That defined a generation of wrestling. John Cena has wrestled his final match, and in true old school tradition, he went out on his back. He tapped out to elevate the next big star.

[Jacquist Neil]

He gave up. The first time he's ever given up in 20 years. He gave up.

[Lacey Mosley]

How much money do you think they gave him to tap out like that?

[Jacquist Neil]

Oh, he, you know, he got a lot. He got millions.

[Lacey Mosley]

John Cena follows me on Twitter. He follows everybody.

[Jacquist Neil]

He follows every. Yeah, let me tell you, man, John Cena followed too many people. John Cena. When I was on Twitter, I would go to the worst person I know, and we would only have one mutual. And it would be John Cena. Be like, why is John Cena following Charlie Kirk? Why is John Cena following. What's the dude, Tate? What's the. Andrew Tate?

[Lacey Mosley]

Andrew Tate.

[Jacquist Neil]

That nigga was following everybody, following everybody. I was like, I gotta unfollow. I gotta unfollow. John. John Cena.

[Lacey Mosley]

I mean, I guess I think I still follow him. I don't know if he be putting

[Jacquist Neil]

stuff out, but John don't put out. He don't. He don't ever be putting stuff out. But he follow everybody.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's very funny that he does that.

[Jacquist Neil]

It's very funny.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, child. Well, don't give up, Deacon.

[Jacquist Neil]

Don't give. I'm not. I'm not.

[Lacey Mosley]

Don't get scammed by Gain bank fakes.

[Jacquist Neil]

I won't. I'm done. I'm done. Because I left gain. I left gain. It ain't on me. It's not on me.

[Lacey Mosley]

You got jumped out of gang. Y' all stay with gang. Gang sponsor the show.

[Jacquist Neil]

Yo, if Gang Bang sponsors the show, I'll go back. I'll go back.

[Lacey Mosley]

I don't know why you would leave them like that.

[Jacquist Neil]

Cuz, man. Cuz, if you're all right, if you got a boyfriend and your boyfriend's phone calls you. And you'd be like, yo, why you give your phone away, right? But if it's somebody else, you gonna give him some of the blame, okay?

[Lacey Mosley]

But they copied the numbers. Anybody can do that with anybody, man.

[Jacquist Neil]

Get your numbers right, strengthen your numbers.

[Lacey Mosley]

I feel as though you are blaming the victim. Even gang was like, I'm the victim. Gang was like, hey, it's not us, bro. Like,

[Jacquist Neil]

I took my money out immediately.

[Lacey Mosley]

Immediately. Why you leaving now?

[Jacquist Neil]

They was like, you want a new account? I was like, you can do that. But also, I'm coming to take my money out right now. Right now. And you a credit union. Come on, man. You gotta be better than that.

[Lacey Mosley]

Scams. Let's get into my favorite part of this episode. Historic Hoodwinks. This is where I will regale Jacquis with the famous Con Caper group of criminals. We'll see. And we'll get his opinions all throughout. Okay, so thanks to getting popular among Chinese billionaires, pigeon racing has become the world's richest sport. What? And an international pigeon stealing ring has been nabbing the fastest birds from mom and pop pigeon financiers all over Belgium.

[Jacquist Neil]

What, they stealing pigeons?

[Lacey Mosley]

So what I want to say is that pigeons are the black people of birds.

[Jacquist Neil]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay. A pigeon is a dove.

[Jacquist Neil]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

A pigeon is a dove. It's just dark skin. And it was enslaved. It reminds you of anything. Listen, we release doves like, oh, heaven.

[Jacquist Neil]

Go ahead, Heaven. Like, this is beautiful. But the pigeons, we be kicking them off. We kick them.

[Lacey Mosley]

Kicking them.

[Jacquist Neil]

Kick.

[Lacey Mosley]

Get up on out of here, rats of the sky.

[Jacquist Neil]

Cause they be looking crazy. I'm a white. I'm the white man of the pigeon.

[Lacey Mosley]

Pigeons have been enslaved.

[Jacquist Neil]

I know. Listen, I know Mike Tyson was catching them and shit. Yeah, he had pigeons.

[Lacey Mosley]

That was reparations for those pigeons.

[Jacquist Neil]

That's crazy. Pigeons do have a bad rep. You know why, though? Cause unlike us, they be all up in your business. They be too close. They be too close.

[Lacey Mosley]

We bothered them.

[Jacquist Neil]

We bothered them, so they bothering us.

[Lacey Mosley]

Carry your pigeons. We used to, like, employ them. And then we were like, oh, we got new technology. We don't need to employ y' all no more. They're like, well, we're not leaving, bitch. Like, we gonna kick it over here like, what you got in your trash? What you got over here?

[Jacquist Neil]

I'm kicking it like, yeah, yeah. It was like, these used to be our streets. Now y' all got cars.

[Lacey Mosley]

Exactly.

[Jacquist Neil]

Yeah. I'm gonna wait till the last minute to get up out your way.

[Lacey Mosley]

Exactly.

[Jacquist Neil]

Damn, you're right. I never thought of it like that. Damn. I'm sorry, pigeon.

[Lacey Mosley]

Pigeons are standing on business. And I used to discriminate against pigeons. I did, too. But you changing me. I got into the pigeon propaganda. But then I had to realize, like, pigeons are black people.

[Jacquist Neil]

Cause you lived in New York for a minute, right? And I'm from Chicago. So, you know, we. Yeah, our pigeons, we got aggressive pigeons.

[Lacey Mosley]

We call them the rats of the sky. Yeah, they love to be in our business. And that's cause they're like, we're not scared of you. We've been around y' all asses forever.

[Jacquist Neil]

And sometimes they be looking crazy. I don't know what it is. Cause if you just look at them, they beautiful colors, but, like, they. I think they blend in with too much dark shit, which sounds racist as fuck.

[Lacey Mosley]

It does.

[Jacquist Neil]

It does sounds racist. But they blend in. It's like they blend in with, like, the street. They blend in with, like.

[Lacey Mosley]

No, but they be having, like, a little blue, a little green on them sometimes. Sometimes a little purple. They're cuties, some of them.

[Jacquist Neil]

Some of them, like, look at that.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like, they're very beautiful. We have black is beauta.

[Jacquist Neil]

Black is. Black is what? Black is beauta. Black is beauty. Black is a beauty.

[Lacey Mosley]

See, when you say it, it sounds actually legit. Black is beautiful. Okay.

[Jacquist Neil]

Black is beautiful. Black is beautiful.

[Lacey Mosley]

So, look, pigeons can find their own way home, which is dope. That's why they're called homing pigeons. Nobody really knows how they do it, but this special skill has been used for thousands of years for everything from carrying out urgent messages for ancient Egyptians to troop deployment during World War I. Like, pigeons have been employed. That's why they like, oh, we gonna stay in y' all business lane.

[Jacquist Neil]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, we y. Yeah, they were our like, useful, most useful bird.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, like, that's why they like, we not gonna wear it.

[Jacquist Neil]

So that mean they really smart. Yes, they really smart. Cause if I gave you give a dog some shit or a cat. Oh, chill like that. They. They gone.

[Lacey Mosley]

A cat, especially a cat, especially a dog may actually come back or like, you know, you fall in a well,

[Jacquist Neil]

the dog, the dog will come out and help you.

[Lacey Mosley]

She in a well, you in the

[Jacquist Neil]

snow, it'll pull you out.

[Lacey Mosley]

So the cat's like, fuck you, bitch. Like, cat eat your face if you die. Like, cats don't give a.

[Jacquist Neil]

Cats be on their own shit.

[Lacey Mosley]

They be on their own shit.

[Jacquist Neil]

They be on their own shit.

[Lacey Mosley]

And like, if they didn't smell so weird. Like cats. I have some friends who have cats who have like the very high end tech machines where the cat goes to poop and it goes to litter. Yeah, yeah, but it's like a very litter.

[Jacquist Neil]

It's a self cleaning litter box. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Robot.

[Lacey Mosley]

So their houses don't smell. But most of my cat owner friends, they house a stank and they have. They've gone nose blind to it. They can't smell it.

[Jacquist Neil]

I mean, I will say this, cause as a person who I no longer have cats, but I had two cats for a very long time and you still gotta clean. You clean your litter box once or twice a day, your house won't stink. But when I do come home from like vacation or some shit, and then I come home and I walk in,

[Lacey Mosley]

the house has had a refreshment and

[Jacquist Neil]

I'd be like, oh, it do be smelling like a barn up in here sometimes. But that's. Cause like, other people have been taking care of mine, you know, when I'm there at the crib, it's fine. Everything. Well, now I don't have cats, so

[Lacey Mosley]

my house, I also don't eat. Like, if y' all listen to this podcast for the six years we've been on, y' all know I don't eat house food, which means if you cooked it at your house, probably not.

[Jacquist Neil]

Oh, you don't eat other people's house?

[Lacey Mosley]

Like, no, I don't do no.

[Jacquist Neil]

Like, I mean, yeah, well, you do some. You do some potluck.

[Lacey Mosley]

Remember the potluck?

[Jacquist Neil]

Yeah. You do cookouts though.

[Lacey Mosley]

But I'm seeing them cooking it. You gotta see them cooking it out and outside. And I'm seeing it. No, no, no, no, no. And if you have A cat. I absolutely will not eat your house.

[Jacquist Neil]

That depends. That's a different.

[Lacey Mosley]

Y' all be letting them cats get on. I got a friend who posted a picture like, oh, this is so cute, and it was her cat in the fridge. I said, in the refrigerator.

[Jacquist Neil]

No, no, no. My cat. My cats were not allowed on the kitchen counters. They were not allowed on the kitchen tables. They were not allowed. My dog wasn't allowed on the couch. You can't keep a cat off the couch. But my dog wasn't allowed on the couch unless I said come up on here. I had to welcome him onto the couch.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, no. Vampire.

[Jacquist Neil]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

He had asked to get inside.

[Jacquist Neil]

May I please get to. May I please? Yes, you may.

[Lacey Mosley]

So carrier pigeons have been doing all this work for us, right?

[Jacquist Neil]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Especially bred ones. Not the regular street pigeons that you'll see in, like, Bryant park or, you know, in New York. They can fly 1,000 miles. These are the specially bred ones. They can fly 1,000 miles and reach top speeds of 90 miles per hour over short distances.

[Jacquist Neil]

God damn. A thousand miles in how long? Like a day they doing?

[Lacey Mosley]

90 an hour.

[Jacquist Neil]

90 an hour. Damn.

[Lacey Mosley]

In the sky.

[Jacquist Neil]

God damn. We need to re. Employ pigeons.

[Lacey Mosley]

The Reuters news agency started out using homing pigeons.

[Jacquist Neil]

For real.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's how they was getting the news to people.

[Jacquist Neil]

That's how they was getting the news to people.

[Lacey Mosley]

I always love that part of Game of Thrones where they had, like, the.

[Jacquist Neil]

It was ravens, though.

[Lacey Mosley]

The ravens, yeah. Cause it's like, we really did have that. We had it in pigeons.

[Jacquist Neil]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes. And look, we got this pigeon up here right now flexing.

[Jacquist Neil]

Yeah, yeah. And you know what? Ravens. Cause ravens also signify death and, you know, scary shit, like Edgar Allan Poe type shit. Whereas a pigeon. Like, I'm not scared of a pigeon.

[Lacey Mosley]

Did you know ravens can talk?

[Jacquist Neil]

No. What?

[Lacey Mosley]

I thought only Paris could talk, but apparently other talking be yapping. We're kind of talking, like, just saying, like, human words.

[Jacquist Neil]

I do know. I do know ravens can, like, actually, I probably did know this because if you. They can mimic. They can mimic, like, human sounds. Yes, I did know this. I did know this.

[Lacey Mosley]

I did not know other birds was yapping.

[Jacquist Neil]

I thought it was just because that's how they get you in the woods. That's how they get you in the woods.

[Lacey Mosley]

Get you in the woods.

[Jacquist Neil]

That's how they get you in the woods. You be like, who is that? Who is that? Is somebody here? And it'd be a raven. Can I tell you? I don't mean to derail this. Can I tell you a funny raven story?

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay.

[Jacquist Neil]

I was in Paris. I was in Versailles. So not technically Paris, but Paris. I was at Versailles. Beautiful day. I had done the whole tour. I was in the gardens. I was high as hell. I was on the edible. I was eating a little baguette, and I'm high. So that's the caveat to this whole story. And I'm eating a little baguette. I got the little mustard and mayo packets. I put some on my little sandwich, and a bee comes around. And I don't like bees. I, like, swatted away. I get up, I walk to the next bench, but I accidentally leave a mayo packet on the bench that I was on. Raven comes over, and he gets up on the bench, and he pecks at the mayo packet. And it's closed. And I'm like, aw. And he looks at me and he cocks his head. And my high ass thinks, oh, shit, he mad at me. Cause I didn't open the mayo packet. And so he looking at me, and he, like, take a step forward. I'm like. My thinking is, he seen my sandwich. He was like, that's where it is. That's where that mayo is. And then a white woman walks past, and I make eye contact with her, and she looks at the raven, and then she looks at me, and she gives me one of these. And I was like, if the white woman's scared, I gotta get the fuck up outta here. So I get up and I run away, and the raven starts following me. And so I'm run. I'm hiding my sandwich in my little, like, sweater. And then it finally leaves. And I'm like, all right. Bet I outran it. Two minutes later, the raven comes back. Now, a non high person would be like, this is just a different raven. My high ass is like, this motherfucker found me again. And I'm sprinting through the gardens. The first time, you high. Running from her high. Running from a raven. High as hell to the point I got lost. It took me, like, 20 minutes to find my way out of this rain.

[Lacey Mosley]

Better safe than sorry.

[Jacquist Neil]

I wasn't about to get caught.

[Lacey Mosley]

Better safe than sorry. That raven was already pissed at you. You knew y' all had beef. I knew. And you knew who was at fault?

[Jacquist Neil]

And I literally.

[Lacey Mosley]

It was you.

[Jacquist Neil]

It was me. It was me. It was gang's fault.

[Lacey Mosley]

You literally.

[Jacquist Neil]

It was gang's fault. It was gang's fault.

[Lacey Mosley]

Gang just taking all the L's. Listen, the CIA strapped cameras to pigeons and used them as spies across the Soviet Union during the cold war.

[Jacquist Neil]

What the fuck did pigeons not do?

[Lacey Mosley]

Pigeons was cops.

[Jacquist Neil]

Spies. How they do spies? How they spies?

[Lacey Mosley]

Listen, Look. And we got a pigeon right up there. Drug traffickers have used pigeons to move small quantities of heroin and ketamine.

[Jacquist Neil]

What is that drugs in the pigeon's back?

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, in the booty, I think in the booty.

[Jacquist Neil]

Yo, if you ever give me drugs that came out the booty of a pigeon, I'mma be.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's how you know you a real addict.

[Jacquist Neil]

Like, I'mma be mad.

[Lacey Mosley]

I understand taking drugs casually, but if you got pigeon booty drugs coming to your house.

[Jacquist Neil]

Oh, it's a backpack. It's a backpack.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, but there's a problem. Got pigeon booty drugs.

[Jacquist Neil]

You got pigeon booty drugs?

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, this is fine.

[Jacquist Neil]

No, no, no, no. Can't do it. We're like, where this. Where these drugs is at?

[Lacey Mosley]

Hold on, hold on. We f to go to the club, but that pigeon f to come over.

[Jacquist Neil]

Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. I got to get this up out of his booty.

[Lacey Mosley]

Normally go to the balcony.

[Jacquist Neil]

I'm going to the balcony. The pigeon screaming as you, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

Like, what? Everybody take. Take it real quick for he about to have a bound movement. Y' all take it real. What?

[Jacquist Neil]

That's the thing. Two pigeons be too much.

[Lacey Mosley]

Exactly. Yeah. This too much.

[Jacquist Neil]

Can't do it.

[Lacey Mosley]

So they aren't used to carry messages anymore, but they do still take part in pigeon races in some parts of the world.

[Jacquist Neil]

This is interesting.

[Lacey Mosley]

One is in Belgium, and I've talked about pigeon races before. We talked about a scam out of Canada about this, but where, like, pigeon racing started as a hobby for working class families in the, like, in the early 1800s. And the other is China, where billionaires spill, like, they spend whole fortunes trying to win high stake races by whatever means necessary. Like, they really are into this pigeon betting.

[Jacquist Neil]

So, like, you can train a pigeon to race, and if. And if the pigeon wins, you win, like, the prize. So, like, they are basically, like, they're just getting pigeons to, like, be like horses. Basically. Like, you have your pin. Okay, I get you, I get you.

[Lacey Mosley]

And I mean, like, gambling culture is so high that, like, I. I saw a little league team post on Instagram that was like, please don't bet on our games.

[Jacquist Neil]

That's wild. These are children betting on children is wild.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like, they betting on anything.

[Jacquist Neil]

Yeah, I wouldn't trust betting on a bird. Cause, like, I get. All right, you can train the bird, but, like, like when you on a horse, there's a person on that horse, right? So the person is in somewhat of control. Although if that horse just decided, we done, buddy, we done, we done, we fucking done. Right?

[Lacey Mosley]

It's a reason we call people bird brains. That doesn't seem like the brain to bet on.

[Jacquist Neil]

That's not the cause. The bird just like, I'm gonna go ahead and go south for the winter, right? And just bounce.

[Lacey Mosley]

Is that a V. Let me get in that line.

[Jacquist Neil]

Bye.

[Lacey Mosley]

Y'.

[Jacquist Neil]

Like, oh, is that a school of birds? I feel like going to school, right? I can't trust it. I can't put no money on that. That's too much. Just too many variables.

[Lacey Mosley]

So Chinese tycoons, they were willing to put that money on it, okay? And beginning around 2019, wealthy Chinese industrialists started spending millions of dollars on Belgian pigeons. Most forms of gambling were illegal on mainland China, but pigeon racing got a pass. If you wanted to get into sports betting, pigeons were the only option. So that's starting to make sense now.

[Jacquist Neil]

Why they were like, well, why they were.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, I'm a g. Gambling addict. I got a gamble.

[Jacquist Neil]

You gotta gamble on something.

[Lacey Mosley]

I guess it's pigeons also.

[Jacquist Neil]

What's a Belgian? What's the difference between a Belgian pigeon?

[Lacey Mosley]

I feel like racism.

[Jacquist Neil]

That. Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

You know, like, black British people be getting all our jobs.

[Jacquist Neil]

Yes. The Belgians, these New York pictures. Like, I can go fast too. I can go fast too. And then there's a pigeon President Bodega at back.

[Lacey Mosley]

What the Belgian pigeon doing?

[Jacquist Neil]

We only want the best pigeons. We want them from Belgium.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'm a British. I'm a European pigeon.

[Jacquist Neil]

That's a good pigeon right there.

[Lacey Mosley]

And let me play all the civil rights leaders in America, because I'm a British pigeon.

[Jacquist Neil]

Yep. Yeah, yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Somehow I'm closer to whiteness because of the accent. I'm still very Negro, like, very niggly. But this accent, remember, I'm not like these regular koolaids that you guys koolaid in America.

[Jacquist Neil]

Damn pigeon, you calling us Kool Aid? I'm surprised that's never been used against us.

[Lacey Mosley]

It should have been.

[Jacquist Neil]

It should have been. Honestly, when it comes to Kool Aid, we will serve that one. Because when we racist against white people, we use we like foods like crackers and shit. But I'm surprised Kool Aid ain't never been used.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, they should have used that one. Honestly.

[Jacquist Neil]

Missed opportunity.

[Lacey Mosley]

It would have hit. We had cool Kool Aid, pickles.

[Jacquist Neil]

It was crazy in the community. It was too much Kool Aid in the community.

[Lacey Mosley]

And that is bad. It don't taste like nothing.

[Jacquist Neil]

It's not good. I. Yeah, it's not good at all.

[Lacey Mosley]

But have you ever made a picture of it? Absolutely. Oh, yeah.

[Jacquist Neil]

100. Boy, I used, man. I used to make good ass kool Aid.

[Lacey Mosley]

We used to chef it up Brown Kool Aid. That's where you combined a lot of different colors.

[Jacquist Neil]

Diabetes and a pitcher, baby.

[Lacey Mosley]

Woo woo.

[Jacquist Neil]

Loving.

[Lacey Mosley]

So a pigeon named Armando.

[Jacquist Neil]

I love that so much. Armando the pigeon.

[Lacey Mosley]

Armando the pigeon. He sold for $1.4 million to a Chinese buyer at a Belgian auction in 2020. Another bird named Nu Kim sold for $1.9 million to a Chinese billionaire, which was Wo Weicheng.

[Jacquist Neil]

I'm never felt who's in pharmaceuticals. I've never felt so insignificant. Knowing that there's a bird that is worth 1.4 million more dollars than I am.

[Lacey Mosley]

Could you imagine being on the auction block for that? It's like you next to a bird. They going for 1.9 million. Nobody want to buy.

[Jacquist Neil]

Nobody want to buy me. How much for the nigga?

[Lacey Mosley]

What you got in your wallet?

[Jacquist Neil]

What you got in your wallet?

[Lacey Mosley]

Can you cut $37 going once?

[Jacquist Neil]

Actually, knock that down to 33. Knock that down to $33.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's upsetting.

[Jacquist Neil]

It's so mad. Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

So pigeon races in major Chinese cities became opulent symbols of Chinese economic boom with prizes over $100 million for a single race, which is higher than most of the world's major sports. A hundred mil for a race.

[Jacquist Neil]

That's the prize. See, these are the pigeons that we know. These are the pigeons that we know. Right there. That's too many colors. That's too many colors on the pigeon.

[Lacey Mosley]

They gotta have swag. The black people of birds that look like a rag, they putting that shit

[Jacquist Neil]

on that look like that. See, like there are really beautiful looking pigeons, but the pigeons that us city dwellers are used to is this one right here. And like, that looks like he got. He looked like he got dipped in some chemicals or something. That's why it's all like, when they got the shine on it, the green shine.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay? But maybe they're getting taken very well care of. Like, if I pay over a million dollars for a pigeon, that pigeon is like, gonna get bass every day. I'm gonna like, put shea moisture on that pigeon.

[Jacquist Neil]

Yeah, you're right. You know, that pigeon, that pigeon lived

[Lacey Mosley]

better than me, right?

[Jacquist Neil]

That pigeon lived better than me.

[Lacey Mosley]

That pigeon lives better than most of us.

[Jacquist Neil]

Okay, that's crazy.

[Lacey Mosley]

So that's probably why it looks so cute is being able to thrive, okay? And that was our pigeon buyer right there.

[Jacquist Neil]

He's worth $1.26 billion.

[Lacey Mosley]

And that's why people don't need this much money, because you start, you don't even need. Like, I've always said that hoarding is. It's a significant sign of either you're very wealthy or you're very poor.

[Jacquist Neil]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like, poor people like to hoard, and so do wealthy people. And it's for different reasons, but it's also the same reason. It's like, look at all stuff that I have. Like, look at. You know what I mean?

[Jacquist Neil]

And you don't want to let go of it.

[Lacey Mosley]

They get very specific and into, like, weird things, like, oh, I collect all this Nazi memorabilia. Y' all come over and look at this.

[Jacquist Neil]

Like, what I'm racing for $100 million pigeons, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

He was like, I spent almost $2 million on a goddamn bird to race. Like.

[Jacquist Neil]

And that's nothing to them.

[Lacey Mosley]

Nothing.

[Jacquist Neil]

That's like me and you spending $50 on roach racing, which would be crazy.

[Lacey Mosley]

Road traces would be crazy. Honestly, I don't know which roach would win, because roaches are very adept. They're fast as hell.

[Jacquist Neil]

They fast as hell.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like, honestly, way too fast.

[Jacquist Neil]

Turn on the lights, them boys, it'd be a million. And then you turn on the lights, in three seconds, they all gone.

[Lacey Mosley]

When I learned that spiders, like, learn your habits and activity when they're in your house.

[Jacquist Neil]

Don't tell me that.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, don't tell me that. So if you see a spider, like, in your way, like, outside, it's because you're doing something that's off of your activity.

[Jacquist Neil]

That's off of your activity. Or it's a new spider.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's off schedule. Okay, Either a new spider, or you're off schedule, because they come out when you gone, and then they go back up when you. When you home. What your ass doing here? You supposed to be at work.

[Jacquist Neil]

Supposed to be at work. Hey, you get fired again?

[Lacey Mosley]

You get fired again. God damn.

[Jacquist Neil]

I got to learn a whole new schedule now,

[Lacey Mosley]

child. Let me pull up my web.

[Jacquist Neil]

I can't believe this. Hold on. We getting the up out of here. What? You do it here. Let's go back. Let's go back to Lacy's house. Lacey got a schedule.

[Lacey Mosley]

I was gonna call your mouth later, but now, damn, now you ain't even

[Jacquist Neil]

gonna be asleep at 1am Bullshit. God damn. I was trying to get my homies here, right? Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

I got three cousins waiting Outside you talking about you coming now?

[Jacquist Neil]

God damn. And don't eat that, don't eat that chicken either. That chick was supposed to be there.

[Lacey Mosley]

I've been all up and through.

[Jacquist Neil]

I've been all up in that chicken. Chicken, man, that's crazy. I hate, I hate that so much.

[Lacey Mosley]

I with spiders a little bit.

[Jacquist Neil]

You fuck with spiders? That's cause you know they schedule. Yes, you know they know yours.

[Lacey Mosley]

Robbery and fraud. So one racing club south of Beijing kept its pigeons in a castle that looks like Buckingham Palace. Another Tangshan Sunshine Pigeon village was a series of villas west of Beijing with an indoor swimming pool and helicopter landing pad. These pigeons are living better than us.

[Jacquist Neil]

These pigeons living better than all of us.

[Lacey Mosley]

Pigeon trainers had free housing for their families next to the birds.

[Jacquist Neil]

Yo, man, okay, maybe I need to

[Lacey Mosley]

be with a pigeon trainer.

[Jacquist Neil]

I was about to say we chose the wrong shit.

[Lacey Mosley]

This art shit. I could have been a wife of a pigeon trainer.

[Jacquist Neil]

I could just be training and apparently you ain't even got to train them that much. They fly 90 miles an hour. What I'm training you for? What are you doing?

[Lacey Mosley]

Like that way?

[Jacquist Neil]

Like go that way, go that way.

[Lacey Mosley]

What is the training?

[Jacquist Neil]

Crazy. Can you imagine like them old school motherfuckers too, if they came back to life now and be like, wait a minute, the same shit I was doing for free, you not getting a million dollars for. I would be mad.

[Lacey Mosley]

I would be mad too. I would be mad if I was an old school pigeon for sure.

[Jacquist Neil]

Damn.

[Lacey Mosley]

And even though like all of this sounds great, right? It's worth noting that wildlife groups and rehabilitators are fundamentally opposed to pigeon racing. Argu that the birds face inhumane challenges before, during and after the events, which sometimes span hundreds of miles and include extreme weather and predators.

[Jacquist Neil]

Oh, damn. Pigeons got predators.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, pigeon predator. I mean they're not the apex. So somebody trying to snack on them. Ooh, somebody. I don't know, a bald eagle.

[Jacquist Neil]

Bigger birds.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, bigger birds.

[Jacquist Neil]

I didn't know birds kill birds.

[Lacey Mosley]

I mean we eat birds.

[Jacquist Neil]

That's true.

[Lacey Mosley]

But chicken is birds.

[Jacquist Neil]

Chicken is birds. But I ain't no birds kill birds.

[Lacey Mosley]

Turkey is birds.

[Jacquist Neil]

Yeah, I know, we kill everything.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, we are apex predators.

[Jacquist Neil]

Yeah, we are the most apex predator. But like there's bird on bird crime. Yeah, there's a lot of animal on animal crime which makes human on human crime like make more sense sometimes.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay, I wouldn't go that far. I wouldn't go that far.

[Jacquist Neil]

It makes, think about it, every other species be killing each other.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, okay. Family Annihilators. Makes sense now.

[Jacquist Neil]

No, no, they saying we gotta go there. I'm just saying it'd be making it make more sense sometimes.

[Lacey Mosley]

This is the most Chicago cent I've ever heard. Okay, King Von. No, we don't need to be doing the murders.

[Jacquist Neil]

I ain't saying murder. I'm just saying. You know what I'm saying? If you go out, let me shut up. Let me shut up. I got money to make.

[Lacey Mosley]

You try to qualify it. No, no, no.

[Jacquist Neil]

This is gain's fault. This is gain's fault.

[Lacey Mosley]

This is gain's fault.

[Jacquist Neil]

Gang, keep making me talk.

[Lacey Mosley]

So. But pigeon racing still goes on, right? And the fastest birds with the best bloodlines have become international superstars.

[Jacquist Neil]

The. What the fuck about this bird is

[Lacey Mosley]

more famous than me? That's crazy.

[Jacquist Neil]

I. I want to.

[Lacey Mosley]

I mean, I worked with a monkey that was more famous than me, and honestly, that monkey deserved it. That monkey is very challenging. Oh, my God. I forget the name of the monkey, but I've worked with that monkey a few times, and other people worked with that monkey. That monkey was on the Hangover. That monkey is like, that monkey. Yeah, that monkey.

[Jacquist Neil]

I know that monkey. Yeah, that monkey is famous.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah.

[Jacquist Neil]

Very famous. Although I would be like. You could trick me, though. You could just be like, yeah, this. That monkey. And I'd be like, okay, yeah, I believe that. Cause they be looking the same Crystal. They be. Look, Crystal, the capuchin.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, Crystal. Crystal is very famous.

[Jacquist Neil]

Monkeys do be living a long time.

[Lacey Mosley]

They do, yeah.

[Jacquist Neil]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

And, like, Crystal was on icarly, and she was, like, drinking a beer and doing backflips.

[Jacquist Neil]

Y' all had Crystal drinking beer on Nickelodeon?

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, we had Crystal drinking beer on Paramount, but we definitely had Crystal drinking beer.

[Jacquist Neil]

Yeah, I love that. I love that.

[Lacey Mosley]

And Crystal's very professional. I will say that. I've worked for the Sox. Hate that bitch. Very unprofessional.

[Jacquist Neil]

Okay. Have you worked with a pigeon, though?

[Lacey Mosley]

I've worked with alligator.

[Jacquist Neil]

Have you worked with a bird?

[Lacey Mosley]

I've worked with a raccoon. I've worked with a lot of animals, but not a pigeon.

[Jacquist Neil]

Not a pigeon.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. I honestly think they would be professional because, like, they'd be fast. The Mona Lisa of the pigeon world.

[Jacquist Neil]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Was basically like a Belgian pigeon named Finn, who had won multiple national and provincial championships. His owner, Tom Van Gaver, considered Finn like a son.

[Jacquist Neil]

Wait, considered the bird like a son?

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, the bird son. My bird son. And called him the Mona Lisa of the pigeon world. Tom got into pigeon breeding after A soccer injury and a bad breakup, and he found it therapeutic. He named one of his best pigeons after his ex girlfriend.

[Jacquist Neil]

Damn. And now that pigeon making him. Now that pigeon is his son or making him money.

[Lacey Mosley]

That pigeon is his son. Look, look, he holding it like it's his son.

[Jacquist Neil]

He holding it. Look at my baby.

[Lacey Mosley]

Look at my baby. One of the comments says, my little brother, you are an example of determination, work, effort, and with a special talent for pigeons.

[Jacquist Neil]

With a special talent for pigeons.

[Lacey Mosley]

I don't know what that means.

[Jacquist Neil]

I wouldn't even know how to write those words together.

[Lacey Mosley]

Fuck bitches get pigeons. Okay?

[Jacquist Neil]

Also, somebody has a thing that just says gun shit. And that makes no sense at all. For what we're looking at, it makes no sense.

[Lacey Mosley]

Honestly, I want the male incel community to shift to this direction. Like, yes, if you hate women, get a pigeon.

[Jacquist Neil]

Get a pigeon.

[Lacey Mosley]

Feels better than like being me.

[Jacquist Neil]

That's a slogan. You hate women, get a pigeon, get a pigeon. That's a slogan for your ass right there.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'm with it.

[Jacquist Neil]

Damn. And then apparently you can become a millionaire.

[Lacey Mosley]

Exactly. Like, get involved. I don't. Now, I do think that you already have to have money to. It's like doing horse competitions. You gotta already have.

[Jacquist Neil]

You gotta already have money to do pigeon. Because otherwise, like, you know, unless you

[Lacey Mosley]

get a good New York City pigeon.

[Jacquist Neil]

That's what I was about to say. If black people got into this, we would just go on the street. We would just start catching pigeons on

[Lacey Mosley]

the street, Hustling ass pigeons.

[Jacquist Neil]

We would start hustle, and then it would. It would be like the NBA. Like when black people got in or when Jackie Robinson broke the color bear. If you start getting some nigga pigeons in there, boy, they really like. We thought these pigeons were fast, but these black pigeons are. God damn, they are the flash.

[Lacey Mosley]

You training them with hot Cheetos. I got a Taki on the west side. Go get that Taki and bring it back.

[Jacquist Neil]

Go get that. Go get that Taki.

[Lacey Mosley]

Damn pigeon influencer Maggie Lu connected Chinese billionaires with the Belgian pigeons they wanted to buy. She tried to broker a deal for her clients to buy Finn in 2019. The Chinese buyers threw out large sums. They offered to negotiate higher, but Tom insisted Finn was not for sale. That's his son. He said, I ain't selling my son.

[Jacquist Neil]

That's his son. That's his son. Named after his ex.

[Lacey Mosley]

He turned the buyers away, but offered to sell them Finn. Finn's offspring, which he sold for several thousand dollars per chick. Tom bought so Finn is a woman.

[Jacquist Neil]

Finn is a woman. Finn. He got this woman working for him, making him money mad.

[Lacey Mosley]

He got a lady slave.

[Jacquist Neil]

He got a lady slave and named

[Lacey Mosley]

it after his girlfriend. I can't.

[Jacquist Neil]

I can't. I'm mad. What's this. What's this person's name?

[Lacey Mosley]

I don't know his name.

[Jacquist Neil]

Him. Tom. Yeah, that's his name. I see it.

[Lacey Mosley]

Of course his name is Tom. Old Tom. Ass looking.

[Jacquist Neil]

He looked just like a God damn Tom.

[Lacey Mosley]

He turned the buyers away, but offered to sell them the offspring. Right? Yeah. And he hung a billboard sized photo of Finn on his wall. He started a business called TVG Pigeons with the tagline, let your dreams of winning take flight. Then the Chinese buyers disappear.

[Jacquist Neil]

Ooh, wait, they disappeared? Yeah. Yeah, Okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

I mean, he wasn't gonna sell Finn, right? He was like, y' all can have Finn, baby.

[Jacquist Neil]

Yeah, I can have Finn, baby.

[Lacey Mosley]

They were like, we want Finn. We don't want Finn.

[Jacquist Neil]

Which means he was breeding them, too. I ain't never seen a baby pigeon.

[Lacey Mosley]

I don't do that.

[Jacquist Neil]

Have you ever seen a baby pigeon before? I've never seen a baby pigeon.

[Lacey Mosley]

They're always adults. The Morgan Freeman of birds. I've never seen a baby Morgan Freeman. No one has seen.

[Jacquist Neil]

Nobody. Nobody's seen. And then if you have seen it, it looked like it's from 1932, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

Like, what?

[Jacquist Neil]

That's a baby pigeon.

[Lacey Mosley]

How did the pigeons break breed? You making them bump uglies like you pushing them together? What do you do?

[Jacquist Neil]

What? Yeah, I just. I didn't even know pigeons, like, knocked boots. I just thought they just like.

[Lacey Mosley]

I just thought they.

[Jacquist Neil]

I just thought they had, like, egg. I thought immaculate.

[Lacey Mosley]

Is that them knocking boots? Is that a pigeon on the pigeon?

[Jacquist Neil]

Oh, that's a pig. That look like a. That's. That's.

[Lacey Mosley]

No, I guess it says what a baby pigeon looked like. I guess that's the wing.

[Jacquist Neil]

Okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

I thought that was two pigeons on each other.

[Jacquist Neil]

A baby pigeon, a baby pigeon look ugly as hell. A baby pigeon is ugly as hell.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's like, what if a duck looks like a nightmare? Like, what?

[Jacquist Neil]

That's why we don't see. That's why we don't see baby pigeons. Because the pigeon mamas know, like, if you go out in the street, you're gonna get killed.

[Lacey Mosley]

No, they stand in the nest. They stand in the nest until they get cute.

[Jacquist Neil]

You got. You gots to look better than this.

[Lacey Mosley]

What do y' all look like?

[Jacquist Neil]

Damn. God.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, this is nightmare fuel. Y' all don't actually want to see a baby pigeon. They look terrible.

[Jacquist Neil]

They don't look. They don't look right. They don't look right.

[Lacey Mosley]

By 2023, Chinese leader Xi Jinping began cracking down on conspic displays of wealth and gambling, including pigeon racing.

[Jacquist Neil]

Okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

The China Racing Pigeon association began suspending races and the sport went underground. No more Chinese businessmen boasting about purchasing million dollar pigeons. Now, anyone who wanted Belgian racing pigeons would need to import them illegally. That's when the thefts began.

[Jacquist Neil]

That's when it started.

[Lacey Mosley]

So In November of 2024, two masked men cut through Tom's neighbor's fence and snuck towards his house. They climbed onto his pigeon loft because of course you gotta have a pigeon loft. They cut a hole in the roof and descended inside. This is like Ocean's Eleven.

[Jacquist Neil]

Yeah. Also, can I ask a question? What year is this?

[Lacey Mosley]

2024.

[Jacquist Neil]

Oh, this is recent. Cause there's a. This is crazy. There's a storyline in the Spider man games where somebody has pigeons and somebody's stealing the pigeons and they do that shit. They like cut the hole in like the little pigeon hole and shit. And then like Spider man has to go find the pigeons. Like it's the. I hate it. It's the hardest. One of the hardest things because you swinging through goddamn New York trying to web up. Flying pitch. That's crazy. This is where they got it. They got it from Spider Man.

[Lacey Mosley]

A third man waited in a getaway. Three people. Listen, they doing a. They doing a heist. A pigeon heist.

[Jacquist Neil]

This is wild.

[Lacey Mosley]

Operation Cuckoo. Yes. So according to security camera footage, thieves inspected each pigeon. They weren't taking any birds, only specific ones. They stuffed them in bags, wings flapping.

[Jacquist Neil]

This is wild, cuz you don't even know if these pigeons are good.

[Lacey Mosley]

They said they, they. They only getting the good ones.

[Jacquist Neil]

They only getting the good ones. Yeah, yeah. Okay, okay. Oh, this is footage right here.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes, let's. A little bit of it.

[Jacquist Neil]

And even removing hedge plants to reach the breeding loft. In an audacious move, they entered the loft through the roof. Audacious move. Damn. That's Finn right there. That looked like a New York Chicago pigeon.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? Like, why can't y' all just train up the New York pigeons? They everywhere.

[Jacquist Neil]

Why y' all up here stealing people's pigeons, man.

[Lacey Mosley]

In Belgium and the Netherlands in 2024 and 2025, dozens of pigeon lofts were rated the same way. And hundreds of pigeons were taken.

[Jacquist Neil]

That's too many pigeons in captivity. These are. They slaves again.

[Lacey Mosley]

They slaves Again.

[Jacquist Neil]

They slaves again.

[Lacey Mosley]

And Luke Vervorti, his dog woke him up as pigeon thieves. Got away with 14 birds dropping wire cutters on the way. A 790-year-old retired carpenter named Joel.

[Jacquist Neil]

Uh huh. Joe's Kool.

[Lacey Mosley]

Joe's Cools.

[Jacquist Neil]

Okay, okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's a nice last name.

[Jacquist Neil]

That's a nice. Yeah, Joe's Cools.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's giving y' all change y last name from something embarrassing. Y' all family did something and y' all were like, let's become the cools.

[Jacquist Neil]

Let's become the Cools. It's like how Cruz last know we was n or not Cruz. Jennifer Aniston's last name is like Gal Gadot last name. Not that they changed it.

[Lacey Mosley]

They changed it.

[Jacquist Neil]

They changed it.

[Lacey Mosley]

And here's him looking all happy with a bird that looks like he's smothering the bird.

[Jacquist Neil]

I know they be holding the bird's necks, right? Like, see that's the thing about pigeons, man. They. They got a little heft to em. You gotta hold em with two hands.

[Lacey Mosley]

I had a bird once named Phoebe.

[Jacquist Neil]

You did? Was it a two hand bird?

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes. And I ain't like Phoebe.

[Jacquist Neil]

Yeah, you ain't like Phoebe.

[Lacey Mosley]

I took her outside to get washed with my cousin once. Cause you gotta wash like, she was thinking of my room. Wash the birds. She was thinking of my room. She needed to get washed.

[Jacquist Neil]

Okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

And I didn't know you were supposed to clip birds wings so they can't fly away, which seems wrong to me.

[Jacquist Neil]

Yeah, yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's giving bird slavery.

[Jacquist Neil]

Yeah, yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

And so we washed her up and then her ass flew away.

[Jacquist Neil]

She was like, I'm free. Just bouncing.

[Lacey Mosley]

She flew back into captivity though. She flew to my friend Faith's house across the street. And Faith already had birds. And so I was like, oh, Faith, do you want to just have Phoebe? Here's all her bird feet.

[Jacquist Neil]

I don't want her no more.

[Lacey Mosley]

Anyway, here's her.

[Jacquist Neil]

Phoebe wanted friends. Phoebe wanted to get down.

[Lacey Mosley]

I was like, here, she gonna have some friends over here. Here's her bird feet. Here's her cage. I want that stinky ass bitch out of my home. Like, I just.

[Jacquist Neil]

She ain't want to be free. She just wanted more slaves around her. She wanted to be the overseer. She wanted to be. She wanted to be ethical. She wanted to be a housebird.

[Lacey Mosley]

She was not an ethical bird. Fuck Phoebe. That bitch probably still alive. Outliving all my goddamn relatives.

[Jacquist Neil]

God damn.

[Lacey Mosley]

So the high school teacher, Luke Oders lost 32 pigeons in January, including A winner of the prestigious international Barcelona race, one of the Europe's pigeon racing event. So he lost all his bad bitches. They all were stolen.

[Jacquist Neil]

I. I'm flabbergasted. Lacey, did you before you found this scam and read up on it and learned about it, did you even know this was a thing?

[Lacey Mosley]

I did because we had a similar scam in Canada.

[Jacquist Neil]

Okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

So I knew pigeons were a thing and then through Mike Tyson I learned more about pigeons.

[Jacquist Neil]

Right, right, right. Yeah. I knew people like kept some. I knew some people kept pigeons as pets. I had no. There is a Barcelona official pigeon race.

[Lacey Mosley]

People will bet on anything that big. And rich people, they don't got nothing to do with their money. So pigeons.

[Jacquist Neil]

That's why not wild.

[Lacey Mosley]

The Belgian Pigeon Financiers association, they've organized counted at least 14 thefts. But they knew there were like likely more thefts. They estimated the birds total value at 2.5 million euros, which is stronger than the $1.212 to us. They called it a crisis. The popular blog, Pigeon Boss.

[Jacquist Neil]

Love it.

[Lacey Mosley]

You know Pigeon Boss, right?

[Jacquist Neil]

Yeah, Pigeon Boss.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'll be on Pigeon Boss every day.

[Jacquist Neil]

Pigeon Boss. Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

They said the pigeon mafia seems relentless. These organized gangs don't see our beloved sport as a passion, but as a business. They target top pigeons that can be sold for astronomical sums of money.

[Jacquist Neil]

Uh huh. Nah, I just saw, I just saw a black picture. A picture with a bunch of black folks.

[Lacey Mosley]

What is going on here?

[Jacquist Neil]

I said they doing it in West Africa too.

[Lacey Mosley]

Damn.

[Jacquist Neil]

Damn. So it didn't get and came on to us.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, it's global.

[Jacquist Neil]

It's global now because at first I'd only seen it with white folk and Asian folks. So I'm like, you know, but that makes sense. Yeah, but they didn't got the black folks too.

[Lacey Mosley]

Everybody getting in on the God damn sad, God damn. In March of 2025, Belgian organized crime investigators finally made one arrest of a Romanian man named Do Lo Ika. Daryl was living in Belgium with his wife and five kids and with about 70 of his own racing pigeons, which had never won anything.

[Jacquist Neil]

Here's something I'm realizing too. Cause you keep, you keep throwing out pigeon numbers and they all like everybody got a lot of pigeons. Which means like the success rate must be low.

[Lacey Mosley]

The market is saturated.

[Jacquist Neil]

The market is. Cause you know, most people who like race horses, you own like a couple horses, maybe maybe five at the most in your stable. These niggas got 50 pigeons, 100 pigeons, 70 pigeons. Like how many pigeons do you need to find the one that's gonna win you.

[Lacey Mosley]

And having five kids is diabolical.

[Jacquist Neil]

That's diabolical enough.

[Lacey Mosley]

And 70 pigeons for real with your life.

[Jacquist Neil]

This is too much. It's too much. And they ain't even win nothing. You just taking care of it. You just taking care of it.

[Lacey Mosley]

Pigeons house covered in pigeon poop.

[Jacquist Neil]

Cuz they be shitting. They be shitting and they be shitting on everything.

[Lacey Mosley]

And I do know that they're smart because one time in my life I was pooped on by a pigeon. Yeah, I was trying to be funny. I was at like in Texas, we would do this thing where we would have this like over weekend vacation in the woods, in cabins. And I thought it was cute to like start saying curse words. And I was like, fuck you, baby. Like up to the birds. And I was wearing glasses at the time. Pigeons done pooped directly on my glasses. Yeah, they knew while I was talking shit.

[Jacquist Neil]

Cause they heard them words before I pushed them.

[Lacey Mosley]

And they broke. And I was like, you know what? This is what I deserve.

[Jacquist Neil]

They made that metal weak. That was a homing pigeon. They honed right in on your glasses.

[Lacey Mosley]

They honed right in on my black ass. Also as an adult now I realized that most of my teachers at that stay away camp were probably drunk. We had like a Easter egg. Like it was like a. Like a scavenger hunt. And then all the teachers had to be posted up at the next spot

[Jacquist Neil]

that we went to.

[Lacey Mosley]

Lit as fuck for sure.

[Jacquist Neil]

That's why I should never do no shit like that. Cause I know if I got a by at the end of the night when all the kids sleep, if I'm with some other adults. We getting lit.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, we getting lit.

[Jacquist Neil]

We getting lit. We doing everything we doing. Ms. Tinser.

[Lacey Mosley]

All of them, they was lit as fuck. They was definitely drunk. And I was like thinking like, they in such a good mood and laughing and giggling. They was high.

[Jacquist Neil]

I'll never forget third grade Ms. Auteur. Ms. Auteur was my third grade teacher. I'll never forget. She came to school one day and she was always mean too. But this day she had a headache. She was just head down. And then like in the middle of the day, she was just like, I need to tell you guys. You guys are getting to the age where you need deodorant. You need deodorant, you gotta start putting on deodorant. And like at this point I'm just like, what's wrong with Ms. O'? Touri? And now I Realize she was hungover as hell cause she was sensitive to smell. She was. Ms. O' Toure got. Got lit. Ms. Otor got lit the night before. What y' all need to do is

[Lacey Mosley]

shut the up and shower down. Shower. Cuz y' all ripe. Y' all ripe as hell. Tired of smelling y.

[Jacquist Neil]

Take this no more H. And I

[Lacey Mosley]

wish we had more parents and teachers like that. Because, listen, my mom would threaten me with violence if I came home smelling ripe. She was like, don't you ever. Like, she would check me after I

[Jacquist Neil]

got out the bath.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like, that's what you supposed to do with your kids. Like, why you letting them come out here, smell.

[Jacquist Neil]

Learn them, learn them.

[Lacey Mosley]

Cause, like, as a community, smelling bad is violence.

[Jacquist Neil]

It is.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like, why would you come in here smelling like that when we all here like, you're punishing us.

[Jacquist Neil]

You're punishing us.

[Lacey Mosley]

And let me wipe your ass.

[Jacquist Neil]

Go to the. And let me. Let me tell you. Let me say. Let me take it a step further, and this may offend some people. Your natural deodorant ain't working. Get you some aluminum.

[Lacey Mosley]

Stop rubbing them lemons, honey.

[Jacquist Neil]

I know. Everybody was like, the deodorant give us cancer. Look, That's a risk you gonna have to take. Yeah, put the nickel back in your.

[Lacey Mosley]

Put a strap right up under your arm.

[Jacquist Neil]

Put that shit back in. We need it.

[Lacey Mosley]

We need it.

[Jacquist Neil]

The natural ain't working.

[Lacey Mosley]

It ain't working.

[Jacquist Neil]

Ain't working.

[Lacey Mosley]

And so, with a search warrant, officers found a secret second coop of 17 stolen pigeons in Doro's backyard.

[Jacquist Neil]

This man stole so many pigeons, he had to have a secret room for her.

[Lacey Mosley]

Also, pigeons are loud. Like, this is not something that you can hide from the cops. They're gonna be like, shut up.

[Jacquist Neil]

Chill, chill, chill.

[Lacey Mosley]

The feds are here. Working with Romanian authorities, they figured out that Daru had been part of the international theft ring and was sending stolen birds back to his parents and extended family in Romania to care for before presumably either selling them on the black market or breeding them. The black pigeon market child. I didn't even know that market exist.

[Jacquist Neil]

I didn't even know that existed.

[Lacey Mosley]

Endorsement Oru's niece's car. Now, why you got to bring the niece in?

[Jacquist Neil]

I know that's. That's wrong.

[Lacey Mosley]

Police found dozens of pigeons, including two of Finn's grandchildren. Birds.

[Jacquist Neil]

The bird got crazy himself.

[Lacey Mosley]

Has not been recovered.

[Jacquist Neil]

I ain't never heard no. Never heard no animal with grandchildren.

[Lacey Mosley]

I didn't know there was a pigeon diaspora.

[Jacquist Neil]

I never heard an animal with a Grandchildren.

[Lacey Mosley]

Grandchildren. Grandchildren. Pigeons.

[Jacquist Neil]

Oh, that's so funny.

[Lacey Mosley]

And also, did y' all do a 23 and me fleet? Like, how do you know?

[Jacquist Neil]

How do you know these are the grandchildren? This is wild.

[Lacey Mosley]

Wild as hell. Finn himself has never been recovered and only three human arrests have been made so far. Now you saying human arrests are y' all doing p the rest? Not y' all locking the pigeons up.

[Jacquist Neil]

Cuz the pigeon. The pigeons probably in on it too now. They probably. They probably.

[Lacey Mosley]

We got to blame the pigeons.

[Jacquist Neil]

We got to blame the pigeons. Let's see. Just like gain you got to all the flame can't be laid at one foot.

[Lacey Mosley]

No, we got to blame y' all pigeons.

[Jacquist Neil]

We got to blame. We got a little blame to go.

[Lacey Mosley]

Hundreds of birds are still missing, and high stakes pigeon thefts have continued this year. In April, nine racing pigeons were stolen in eastern Germany. In August, three birds were like that were worth nearly 200,000 doll were stolen in southern Spain. Many of the recovered birds have still not been matched to their owners, most likely because they were taken in thefts that were not even reported to the police. Pretty soon, the only way to reunite the stolen birds with their owners will be opening the cages and hoping they remember to fly home.

[Jacquist Neil]

This is such a big world and so much shit happens inside of that.

[Lacey Mosley]

People are just doing anything I would

[Jacquist Neil]

like people are doing.

[Lacey Mosley]

I thought they were doing these things.

[Jacquist Neil]

There are people doing any and everything.

[Lacey Mosley]

Shenanigans.

[Jacquist Neil]

This is insane. This is the craziest thing I've ever heard. I had no idea.

[Lacey Mosley]

The grand pigeons are recovered. But not the grandfather pigeon.

[Jacquist Neil]

The grand pigeons, the grand pigeons, the great grand pigeons. It's a whole lineage. I definitely look at pigeons a little different because they. They do be. When you see a pigeon, you usually see a few of them. And then like sometimes we like I lived in Chicago and we have the l. The elevated train tracks. And they be under them motherfuckers. And then when they like the train comes, they'll all disperse and It'd be like 50 of them motherfuckers like dispersing Now.

[Lacey Mosley]

I get it. They all.

[Jacquist Neil]

Cause they be familied up. They be family up.

[Lacey Mosley]

They were just having a little family reunion under the train.

[Jacquist Neil]

They really are blind black. They really are. They got cousins. Everybody at the crib, they be having cookouts.

[Lacey Mosley]

They can fly fast.

[Jacquist Neil]

They can fly fast.

[Lacey Mosley]

We're very well renowned for our racing capabilities.

[Jacquist Neil]

I know they got usain boat, usain pigeons, usain pigeons, usain pigeon in there. This is wild there. People have entirely too much money.

[Lacey Mosley]

Too much money. And because you're wasting, like, you're using your money on. And you not being serious.

[Jacquist Neil]

You're not being serious. And there are people who, like, I wanna learn how to train a bird to race that. What a.

[Lacey Mosley]

If you.

[Jacquist Neil]

We don't have kids. I don't have any. That I know of at least. Like, and I can confidently say I don't have any children. You can confidently say you don't have any children. I am almost certain I don't have any children. But, like, if my kid ever came up to me and be like. And I'm very much in the mind, my kid can be anything they want to be anything they came up. I want to be a pigeon trainer racer. I'd be like, oh, cool. You want to be like a vet? Like, no, I want to train pigeons how to do this.

[Lacey Mosley]

No, I want to be ash from Pokemon.

[Jacquist Neil]

But for pigeons, I would be like, yo, you can't. I would just straight up say, no,

[Lacey Mosley]

we gotta stomp out your dreams. Like, I'm so sorry.

[Jacquist Neil]

You can't do that.

[Lacey Mosley]

You can be president. You can't be a pigeon trainer.

[Jacquist Neil]

You can be a grave digger.

[Lacey Mosley]

No, absolutely not.

[Jacquist Neil]

You gotta try. You gotta go somewhere. You gotta do something else.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'm on the same page. I truly don't understand what the fuck these people were doing or how they're doing it. I mean, I want to feel bad for y' all for getting y' all birds robbed, but I honestly don't feel bad.

[Jacquist Neil]

I honestly don't at all. I don't. There's not a single iota part of me that feels bad about it.

[Lacey Mosley]

No. If you pay $1.9 million for a goddamn bird, you deserve everything you get.

[Jacquist Neil]

You deserve it.

[Lacey Mosley]

I think Fee bird. Phoebe was free with her ass.

[Jacquist Neil]

Yeah, Phoebe was free. Phoebe was free. And she didn't want to be. She wanted. She didn't want to be, but she was. She was free.

[Lacey Mosley]

Listen, when she flew away, I had a great sigh of relief. I was like. Because she was stinking at my room.

[Jacquist Neil]

I didn't know birds stink. I didn't know birds. I mean, I guess that makes sense. They feathers stink and they be pooping. They be pooping. Poop. Gotta stink.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. It was like, what am I doing?

[Jacquist Neil]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they not outside because that's why birds, probably you don't smell them because they just outside but in the house,

[Lacey Mosley]

and they're funky as hell. If I see somebody who got multiple pits, I'm like, I Know it smell crazy in there. I know it does. Like, there's no way. It does not.

[Jacquist Neil]

It can smell fine in the house. You just gotta clean. Gotta clean. You gotta clean every day.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, but that's like extra cleaning that you gotta do now also.

[Jacquist Neil]

I also, when I. I still do, but I also have like good air purifiers in every room in my house as well. The air is being cleaned constantly. You can have a clean, not terrible smelling house.

[Lacey Mosley]

You can. You gotta be dedicated.

[Jacquist Neil]

You gotta be dedicated. You gotta be dedicated. You gotta be dedicated.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, well, that brings us to the end of a fantastic episode. We got the deacon back in the church.

[Jacquist Neil]

We are back.

[Lacey Mosley]

And say amen.

[Jacquist Neil]

Hallelujah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Stand up in your seats. Stand up in your car seat. Stand up on that plane.

[Jacquist Neil]

You on tides and awesome.

[Lacey Mosley]

The Al sign is off.

[Jacquist Neil]

He is.

[Lacey Mosley]

We always ask at the end of the show, Jacquees, where would you like to be found?

[Jacquist Neil]

Where would I like to be found? What a great question. I love that Acquisneil on instagram or JacquisNeil.com Also, if people don't know. Cause the last time I was here, this was not announced yet. I host a show on Dropout TV called Crowd Control.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's so good.

[Jacquist Neil]

Thank you so much. We are in production for or pre production for season two. Now that people know what the show show. The comedians that we went out to that were like, even bigger than the ones we got are like, oh, yeah, we'll do it now. So we got some pretty. Some pretty good folks coming through. So check that out.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes, it's very exciting. Like, that show is so funny. And if you haven't seen it, you've probably at least seen a clip going viral on the Internet. But get into Crowd Control and y', all, you can find me at D I B A L A C I Divalacy on all platforms. If you want to see any photos from this episode. If you love pigeons.

[Jacquist Neil]

Yeah, Scam Goddess pod.

[Lacey Mosley]

We'll be posting all of that there. You can find my book Scam Goddess on any platform that you buy books or any platform that you listen to audiobooks on. Get into it going Dutch. It came back for season two January 15th, so put that in your eyeball. Scam Goddess is also on Hulu. You can watch that as well. Congregation, I want y' all to get out there and stay. Yeah, Scam Goddess. Scam Goddess stars and is hosted by me, Lacy Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. Our producer is Jessica Cisneros and our audio engineer is Rich Garcia. Research for the show is conducted by Kate Doyle. Stay scheduled.