A Father's Fake Death for Faraway Love w/ Jay Jurden

Summary

Scam Goddess: A Father’s Fake Death for Faraway Love w/ Jay Jurden

Release Date: January 20, 2026
Host: Laci Mosley
Guest: Jay Jurden

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Overview

In this hilarious and sharp episode of Scam Goddess, host Laci Mosley teams up with comedian Jay Jurden to dissect the wild true story of Ryan Bourguart—a Wisconsin man who faked his own death in a kayaking accident to escape his family and pursue love with an Eastern European woman he met online. The conversation blends true crime, social commentary, and plenty of irreverent humor, riffing on relationship scams, masculinity, and the ever-resourceful ways people can run away from their problems.

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Episode Structure & Key Segments

| Timestamp | Segment | |------------|------------------------------------------------| | 00:30 | Guest intro & Jay's scam-adjacent stories | | 14:47 | Main scam story introduction | | 20:01 | The "Lake Escape": Faking the kayak accident | | 31:00 | Jay's and Laci's comedic analysis | | 38:24 | How the scheme unraveled | | 53:31 | Ryan’s rationale, debts, and return | | 56:27 | Reflections, verdict, and final jokes | | 70:06 | Plugs & closing thoughts |

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Jay’s Scam Perspective: Comedy as a Scam (00:30–11:00)

• Jay on Comedy Scams: Jay kicks off with a story about nearly being scammed by a hotel, then riffs on how comedians sometimes scam audiences by barely doing headline-length sets:
  • "I'm seeing a lot of people...they got 20 minutes of stuff to say and they're making you pay full price." (03:00, Jay)
  • Both lament a trend of headliners padding shows with too many openers and merch gimmicks (04:16–05:02).
• Parallels with Drug Dealers: Jay and Laci compare “scammy” comics to indifferent drug dealers—selling their wares without caring for the clientele (05:54–06:57).
• Memorable Quote:
  • “You have to care about these people who are paying money to come see you.” (06:48, Jay)
• Gay Club Culture: Jay praises the authentic joy at queer clubs vs. the transactional, “scammed” vibe of modern nightlife (10:43–11:15).

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The Historic Hoodwink: Boy, Bye—A Man Fakes His Death (14:47–53:00)

The Setup

• The Crime: Wisconsin cabinetmaker Ryan Bourguart fakes a kayaking death (15:19).
• Motivation: Wants to escape his wife and three kids for an Eastern European woman. Both hosts quickly call out gendered scammy behaviors, with Laci joking:
  • “Men are a scam...once they get you pregnant, they switch up!” (16:20, Laci)

Analyzing Ryan’s Exit

• Jay on Family Annihilators: “He didn’t take the family annihilator route, which we’ve seen time and time again...He had enough common courtesy to fake his own death, not lay a hand on a single one of those people.” (15:19)
• Lavender Relationship Watch:
  • Laci and Jay speculate on the authenticity of the marriage:
    • “He does look like he is scheming in the wedding photo...maybe not a gay scheme, but he’s scheming.” (21:51–22:02, Jay)
• Comedy on Relationships:
  • Laci: “I won’t date a man I don’t think I can beat in a fight.” (19:01)

The Night Kayak Scheme

• How He Did It:
  • Left for “night kayaking” at 10:36pm, texted his wife a vague goodbye.
  • Used a child-size raft and hidden e-bike to escape 70 miles to Madison, then to Canada, and finally to Georgia (the country) to meet his online lover (20:26–33:14).
• Memorable Quote (on planning):
  • “You probably weren’t contributing to the family...and you bought a child raft and didn’t even let your kids play with it.” (32:07, Laci)
• Jay on the Escape:
  • “He planned this out to a T. Oh my god...he was excited because he knew he was gonna dip out on his family.” (33:20)

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Scam Unravels: Tech, TikTok, and Vasectomies (38:24–60:00)

• How He Got Caught:
  • Found by digital breadcrumbs and a viral TikTok; the scheme’s details were uncovered via laptop searches tracking messages with his mistress “Katya.”
• Makings of the Scam:
  • He:
    • Applied for a replacement passport
    • Took out life insurance
    • Reversed his vasectomy (46:11)
    • Laci: “Bro, you don’t take care of the kids you got. Why you trying to get Katya pregnant?” (46:11)
• Police Persuasion: Instead of extradition, police “pleaded” with Ryan to come home:
  • “Bring your dog ass back here...And put your vas deferens away.” (48:41–48:49, Jay & Laci)
• Jay On Masculinity:
  • “Masculinity is a prison. You’d rather fake your own death than have a heart-to-heart with your wife?” (66:47)

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Aftermath & Reflections (53:31–69:42)

• Ryan’s Rationalization:
  • He cited $75,000 in credit card debt and $130,000 in business debt; said kids didn’t want him around.
  • Laci: “The bar is in hell...but at least he didn’t kill the family.” (54:11)
• Emily’s Response:
  • Emily filed for divorce two days after Ryan’s return. Laci and Jay speculate she may have quietly enjoyed her “widow” period.
• Jay’s Critique:
  • “You did all this...just to return to the country and be a loser. I’m disappointed in you.” (66:04)
  • “How the hell can you bike for 70 miles but you can’t just say, ‘Hey, let’s take a break for a little bit’?” (66:33)
• On Toxic Masculinity:
  • Laci: “It’s a prison that men made for themselves.” (66:58)

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Notable Quotes

• On scammed comedy audiences:
  • “You can’t treat comedy fans the same way you treat people buying crack.” (05:16, Jay)
• On men & scams:
  • “A man is a scam. Not a plan, but a scam.” (25:20, Laci)
• On the elaborateness of Ryan’s plan:
  • “All that work, bro, you faked your own drowning, child raft, tiny oars, 70 miles on an ebike—just to get caught.” (66:04, Laci)
• On toxic masculinity and fleeing families:
  • “Get your ass back over here and hate your family in person like we do.” (69:13, Laci)
• On Emily’s resilience:
  • “Emily looks like she’s delightful. Your goofy ass...is lucky to be with Emily.” (64:38, Jay)

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Key Takeaways

• The scam itself: Ryan Bourguart’s plot was part Walter Mitty, part midlife crisis—faking a watery demise to pursue online love. His “success” lasted mere months before technology and police persistence lured him back with guilt rather than handcuffs.
• Comedy and Social Satire:
  • Laci and Jay eviscerate not only Ryan’s plan but broader themes: men’s aversion to vulnerability, societal double-standards, and how some scams are just plain... pathetic.
• Final Verdict:
  • “This ain’t even a good scam.” (65:18, Laci)
  • “You gave up the scam. You ain’t even get the Uzbeki lady...Now you in jail for 89 days...what did you accomplish?” (65:39, Jay)
• Moral Lesson: Sometimes it’s best not to run from your problems—or at least, if you do, don’t post about it on TikTok.

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Plugs & Closing (70:06–end)

• Jay Jurden:
  • On all socials @jayjurden, new stand-up hour on tour, special “Yes Ma’am” streaming now.
  • Jokes about doing a show in Uzbekistan: “I am going to Uzbekistan to do a show.” (70:44)
• Laci Mosley:
  • Scam Goddess TV show now on Freeform & Hulu
  • Book, live events, and follows all promoted
  • “Do something nice for a Black woman—write a nice review on Apple Podcasts.” (71:18)
• Final Joke:
  • “If you love me, fake your own death.” (37:05, Laci)
  • “Congregation, sometimes the rational solution is to fake your own death.” (71:50, Laci)
  • “Have some night yak.” (72:04, Jay)

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TL;DR (Too Long; Didn’t Listen)

Laci and Jay gleefully pick apart the story of a man who faked his death to chase an overseas affair, only to be brought back by digital evidence, pleading police, and a family that seemed almost relieved he was gone. With razor-sharp jokes and no patience for scammers (or weak headliners), the duo mixes true crime with personal anecdotes on masculinity, money woes, and why sometimes, it's better to just talk to your spouse than plan an international disappearance.

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For more laughs, photos, and scam content, follow @scamgoddesspod and @divalacey. Watch Jay Jurden’s "Yes Ma’am" on Hulu. As always, stay schemin’!

Transcript

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[Jay Jurden]

Oh, thank you for having me. Let the church say Amen.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Amen.

[Jay Jurden]

So happy. As a guest preacher, I want to say I'm not going to hold y' all long, but I got some stuff to get off my chest.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yes, and honestly, that is a telltale sign that you are going to hold people long.

[Jay Jurden]

Church I ain't gonna hold you long.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I hold y' all two hours later, right? I ain't gonna hold y' all two hours later.

[Jay Jurden]

Now, that was the first verse I wanted to dissect. Let's get to this set. Okay, everyone turn to Ephesians. We in Ephesians. Oh, God. We in the Cor. We in the Corinthians. I don't live in Corinth. Corinth, Mississippi.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I don't live In Corinth. It's crazy. Oh, wait. So I have to ask you up top. What is your relationship with scams right now? Like, it could be you love them, you hate them, something you went through.

[Jay Jurden]

Okay, I'm breaking news. I don't know if someone tried to scam me. Today. There was a reservation sent in my email. I called up this same hotel. I'm not gonna blow the hotel spot up. I said, I didn't book this. Take this off, cancel this. Whoever booked it, they said, oh, great. Thank you for letting us know. By the way, do you have a minute to stay on the phone to hear about our survey? We're also going to offer you some points. I said, are y' all doing this so that people listen to this? I was concerned. So there was a. There was something that was scam adjacent that happened to me today. I'd say a bigger thing. Scam related. Right now I'm seeing a lot of people, and I'm saying this as a stand up comedian. I'm seeing a lot of people who. They don't have an hour of shit worth to say. They scamming these folks on the road. They got 20 minutes of stuff to say and they're making you pay full price. You get there, they got seven sometimes, you know, seven openers. They got five of their friends doing 15, 20 minutes. You see this headliner, that headliner only is doing 20 minutes. They supposed to be doing 45 minutes. That's per the contract.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Are you telling me that I have been wasting my time building an hour because these people open and these people you can have. I could do crowd work for 30.

[Jay Jurden]

Minutes, Lacey, and then I do like.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

10 minutes of standing. You could do.

[Jay Jurden]

You could. You could have your. You can have six of your friends do 10. They got. They al. You come out and say, we had a good show then with folks. Bye, everyone. Have a good. Drive safe. Take a picture with me. Oh, that. That merch is extra. Hey, that merch is extra. Go ahead. And I got. No, I can explain the merch.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

How you get a picture with me like you. You go buy your little merch and then I'll take a little picture with you.

[Jay Jurden]

They. They scamming folks out here when it comes. They scamming folks when it comes to some of these shows.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

So, okay, that's upsetting because comedy, especially in this time, it's supposed to be a relief. It's supposed to be something that people can go enjoy while the world is burning. And y', all, y' all over Here. Scamming the comedy.

[Jay Jurden]

I saw something online that says so many people now in this age of sort of like, get it while you can get it. They are treating paying customers and patrons like they are custos, AKA like they are people who are addicted to their product. You can't treat comedy fans the same way you treat people who are buying crap from you.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

That's trash. That. That is trash.

[Jay Jurden]

You can't treat people who patronize your restaurant the same way you treat people who you look down upon because you're selling them drugs. Be a better business person. Stop trying to scam these folks.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Okay? That scares me because I've known a few drug dealers in my lifetime, and one of my questions for them was always like, how do you sell drugs?

[Jay Jurden]

Like, you know, like, famously, them drugs sell themselves well beyond that.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Also, it's like with fentanyl coming into the drug community and being in everything. Because, like, why is fentanyl and cocaine. That's not exactly. That don't even make sense. Like, fentanyl is a downer and cocaine is supposed to be an upper. And like, I was talking to them and I was like, how do you do this? And he was like, you know, it was a he. It was many he's, many he's. And they were like, well, I can't look at my customers as people. Like, they're just a number. Like, I give them the drugs and then I move on. Like, they're just a number. And I was like, what?

[Jay Jurden]

I want people to know if comedies, if comedy is something you want to do. You have to care about these people who are paying money to come see you.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

You can't be like, oh, drug dealer.

[Jay Jurden]

I scam. I got it out of my. Scam them again. Well, I'm tricking folks. I'm tricking folks. Have I ever done something to scam me? You know, sure. I'll shine light on myself every now. And on Instagram stories, you're going to see a picture of me in various states of undress with a link. And the link, the emojis on the link will be like, chili pepper devil emoji, wink emoji, squirt emoji, tongue out. That's a link to tickets to my show. It's not an onlyfans. Am I scamming a little? A tiny amount, A touch.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I don't know if that's a scam. You just get the people going.

[Jay Jurden]

I know. Well, they so, I mean, multiple people have said, oh, not an only fans. I guess they go Whoa. You guess I gave you the speedo pic, right?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

You didn't even have to pay for it.

[Jay Jurden]

You didn't even have to pay for it. I know you breaking my heart. You guess.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

You guess is crazy, but it is.

[Jay Jurden]

That weird sort of. And it's tied to the theme of the show. There is this kind of prevalent notion that you can always sort of get over on people. You can.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah.

[Jay Jurden]

And, I mean, that's.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And you were talking about it with. Stand up with the extra openers. Why y' all got extras?

[Jay Jurden]

Like. Well, when you. When you. Okay, when you start to, like, notice in the audience, if you're. And if you're sitting in the audience and you go, okay, that person. Okay, that's the host. All right. And this person. Okay, that's. That's the feature. Okay, Maybe this person. The guest spot. Whoa, wait, another friend. Now we got four people. Wait, another person. Five people. Wait a second.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

You.

[Jay Jurden]

We got the Jacksons up there.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

We came to see you.

[Jay Jurden]

Yeah, Wait a second. Hold on. It's the equivalent of whenever you. Whenever you go to the club. People used to go to clubs. I hope they still do. When you go like they do, that's.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Become a scam, too. Like, you have to buy real estate in the club.

[Jay Jurden]

My God, you just go to the.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Club and be dancing and grinding on a stranger. And it was a good time. Now you go to the club, you got to pay for a couch, and then you got to pay for overpriced alcohol.

[Jay Jurden]

What, we gotta start doing eminent domain in the club. We gotta take away people's little sections. We gotta move in and say, y' all can have this. It's messing up the neighborhood. Cause what are we do if people can't go to clubs? If songs can't break in clubs anymore, songs have to break on TikTok. Every song becomes 30 seconds. So now I'm listening to Chief Keef. I said this song. Only a minute and 29 seconds. What the hell's wrong with you? DJ Munster and Chief Keef, you scammed me, too. Chief Keef. And I want to be a.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

They only giving you a little taste of music now. You can't even have the full music no more.

[Jay Jurden]

They'll be like, this is the extended version. It's three minutes.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

That's the normal length of a song.

[Jay Jurden]

They go, nah, I added two extra verses from the one. Now we getting three. They skimming it off the top. They cut. Everything's watered down. Drinks watered down. You know, I mean, bottle of vodka. You paying.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Oh, you're paying like 20 times the actual worth of it when you buy in the club.

[Jay Jurden]

And then you go, hey, make sure y' all get pictures of this. I need people to see that I'm doing it like this. I ain't going to do it again for a while. Get some pictures, get. Get some sparklers.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Now. Just doing a photo shoot.

[Jay Jurden]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Ain't nobody having fun no more.

[Jay Jurden]

I mean, can't even dance to yk niece because you got to get this TikTok. You got to get this real, you guys.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

It is my too.

[Jay Jurden]

You know where they don't do that. You know what? And shout out to this community. Shout out to. Shout out to all the queer folks. Because you know where that doesn't happen? At the gay clubs. Gay clubs, they go off sometimes. And bulldogs in Atlanta, they go off too much. Maybe it's a fight.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Okay, well, it's also Atlanta, so maybe.

[Jay Jurden]

Maybe it's some sissies fighting. But I would much rather have every now and then a couple of sissy fights and still be able to dance and commune with community instead of getting scammed.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And also, those fights are inspirational because they're happening because of the music. Like, if not give you buck comes on, I am going to be ready to fight. Like, I don't want to fight, but the inspiration, the fighting spirit will rise in me.

[Jay Jurden]

And you know what? And I hope people have their ears and their hearts open to this, but because the psalmist said, we knucking, we buck in, we ready to fight.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

All right, so what do you mean?

[Jay Jurden]

And David danced before the Lord. Did you not dance? If diamond said we knucking and bucking, then we knucking and bucking.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

You hit one of these, that elbow might hit somebody. They like, why you hit me? And I'm like, why you mad?

[Jay Jurden]

Scrappy little Scrappy didn't say we were head caressers. He said we were head buses.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Exactly. Okay? And. And honestly, those fights, I'm never going to be mad at, cuz they're inspirational. They're inspirational, y'. All. Y' all caught the spirit and the spirit of violence. Whoa.

[Jay Jurden]

Took you through there. That is okay. That is the crunk. Holy Ghost.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

It's the Holy Ghost. People don't wanna talk about the violent Holy Ghost. But, like, it's there. It's there. Sometimes you need to whoop ass.

[Jay Jurden]

That's the truth.

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[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

So let's get into the historic hoodwink. This is where I'm going to regale Jay with the famous con caper group of criminals. We'll see if he likes them, if he hates them. Like we'll get his opinions all throughout. Um, today we're talking about a Wisconsin cabinet maker named Ryan Bourguart he faked his own death in a kayaking accident to run away from his wife and three kids so he could start a new life at an Eastern European, like, with an Eastern European woman he met online.

[Jay Jurden]

I already love this because usually when you hear Wisconsin and you see a picture like this, he then took the wife and the babies out with him. But this man had enough common courtesy to fear, fake his own death, not lay a hand on the single one of those people in his family and get out of the way. Are we not recently in the business of telling men, get the hell out? I'm not mad at this man.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

So far, he didn't take the family annihilator route, which we've seen time and time again. And then they put up that photo with them all on a jet ski.

[Jay Jurden]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

He had murdered.

[Jay Jurden]

Everybody shout out to Zack Fox for doing investigative journalism when he posted, when he tweeted that. But, like, now, this is beautiful.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

That's what family annihilators have been up to. So he was like, I'm not gonna annihilate them. I'm gonna just annihilate myself and not.

[Jay Jurden]

Even really do that. He quick with the. With the. If you watch Yu Gi oh, Monster reborn card, he said, oh, I'm going to Europe.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Oh, and like, also, women out there, men are a scam. Y' all know, like, and then once they get you pregnant, they change up on you, they switch up on you, and now you gotta be a single mom, but you married. Married single moms is like, my new favorite TikTok, like, trend that I've been looking at.

[Jay Jurden]

Lacey, that is. Wow, what a perfect in. That's a perfect encapsulation of what does happen when some of these men scam. So, like, we. Me and my husband, we got married.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I.

[Jay Jurden]

We had lived together for a very long time. Some of these women, they go, oh, we can get married. I never live with that man. What are you doing talking about some. Oh, we're going to buy a place together, and y' all both got jobs, and now you cleaning up after him.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Or they're. Or they're like, oh, well, you don't have to work anymore. Like, I'll do the work and you stay at home. And they don't consider being at home and washing dishes and cooking and doing all the stuff they do. They don't consider that work. I'm like, no, that's work. Like, he needs to pay you. Like, what are you going to do when he finds a younger version of you? And you ain't got no money.

[Jay Jurden]

And whenever someone talks about how great that is, I go, oh, your grandma never kept it real with you. Talk to your granny. You didn't talk to your grandma at all.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Cause all of our grannies, everyone loves to romanticize that. Like, oh, all of our grannies, they stayed with their husbands. Da, da, da, da, baby. They couldn't get a credit card. They couldn't own property. They couldn't leave. If your grandpa died mysteriously, it's probably your grandma who did it.

[Jay Jurden]

Yeah, she put some antifreeze in them Black Eyed Peas.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

That's a bop. Antifreeze in the Black Eyed Peas.

[Jay Jurden]

She put some anti. She put some arsenic in them collars. We know what happened. No. And if you are black, if you are a black person, your granny still already worked. My grandma worked and, like, had to be a homemaker. So, like, it is this, like, wild scam that people go, oh, I'm gonna find this. I'm gonna find this protector type man. It's tough because a lot of those men with those traditional ass values, they also. They be having traditional ass anger management problems too. They be coming home. They. They come home screaming like it's the 50s.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

They got traditional violence as well.

[Jay Jurden]

Yeah, they got traditional violence. You wanna talk about? They really put the mad in mad men. They come home angry.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Let's ready to slap you around. Yeah, you don't need that.

[Jay Jurden]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Get you. Get you a little weak man that like to fold his own clothes.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Okay, Honestly, Jay, like, I date men and women, but I will not date a man that I don't think I can beat in a fight.

[Jay Jurden]

That's how lazy hits. When you're at the club, you slap box real quick. Let me see. Let me see what you get.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

You're joking, but I legit have done that. The last man that I kissed, he was like, oh, you boxed. I was like, yeah, I boxed. And he started putting his hands up and I was like. He was like, give me a one, give me a three, give me a five. Like, I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then we kissed. But I was like, oh, I can beat your ass. Like, this is beautiful.

[Jay Jurden]

Me and Lacey at the club, we get kicked out. Wiped. Lacey arm wrestling folks again.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah.

[Jay Jurden]

Why we get kicked out of the club? Lacey was giving n Indian burns and nuggies.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I gotta make sure. I gotta make sure. So let's talk about the lake escape.

[Jay Jurden]

Lake escape J so on the night.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Of August 11, 2024, dad of three Ryan left his family home In Watertown, Wisconsin.

[Jay Jurden]

Watertown?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah. He needed to leave. That sounds like a Hallmark movie name. You live in Watertown, Wisconsin? Yeah, you got to leave.

[Jay Jurden]

Is this Pokemon or am I going to have to battle a Gyarados in Watertown?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Watertown means you got to leave because, like, what kind of town do you live?

[Jay Jurden]

Like water town, no water.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

You're doing living there, like small town. Like what? Like why. So here in Wheatville, usa, we feel is hella. We feel like, what are you doing? Yeah, you need to. So he drove 50 miles away to Green Lake for some night kayaking. And you know how you need to kayak in the night. You know how? Yeah, sometimes when it's night, you need to kayak.

[Jay Jurden]

You hit with the urge.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah, the urge.

[Jay Jurden]

The urge. You wake up out. You wake up out of your sleep. I got a kayak.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah, night yakking. You gotta. You gotta do it.

[Jay Jurden]

It's important. I done have some yak at night, but it's cognac. I ain't had no kayaking.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

See, and that's what's wrong. You need to get into that, because that's important. He texted his wife, Emily at 10:36pm that he may have snuck out on a lake. This is his wife.

[Jay Jurden]

Oh, Emily.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Oh, Emily.

[Jay Jurden]

Y' all look cute. Y' all look happy. It is. I don't want to be.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I don't want to be a lavender relationship.

[Jay Jurden]

Okay. This is what I did want to get into, but I didn't want to say it. I'm glad you broached it.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah. I've dated enough gay men to know, like, I. When they.

[Jay Jurden]

I don't know what's going on. He does look like he is scheming in the wedding photo. Maybe not a gay scheme, but he's scheming. The shoulders are raised.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I don't know. It might be a gay scheme.

[Jay Jurden]

She's smiling from her heart. He's like, she don't even know. Do we see it? I feel.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I feel it's a gay scheme to me. I'm gonna say it like, he wanted the facade. And then he was like, I'm sick of this shit. I don't want this. I'm a fake. A kayak death.

[Jay Jurden]

Okay. Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Which is dramatic. And of our people, you could have did a regular death at home. You didn't need to drive 50 miles. But you. And then you sent a text to set the scene.

[Jay Jurden]

Yeah, wait a second. Because a text here. Okay, I might have snuck out. Stop being. Stop being silly. Stop giving me riddles. You may have snuck out. You snuck out.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

He, he, he. You know, he was. He. While he was faking his own death. So that would have been nice to know. Emily responded. I was beginning to wonder why you weren't home.

[Jay Jurden]

Hmm. Okay. That's not the first time she done said something like that. That would have been nice to know.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Emily's stand on business. Emily. Emily is giving me, like, a woman who just wanted children and didn't, like, really care about the man. For real.

[Jay Jurden]

Emily said, that would have been nice to know.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

She basic his shit. She basic his shit.

[Jay Jurden]

Emily, you are funny.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Iconic.

[Jay Jurden]

Have decided.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

So after he apologized, she responded, nothing new. I should be used to it by now. So many nights I have no idea where you are and it's late.

[Jay Jurden]

Whoa, Lacey, you called it. Okay. The scheme might have been of the queer variety. Cause that's a wild thing to say.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Cause why you out late? You got three kids and you out late? What you doing? Where you at? The Booty Club?

[Jay Jurden]

Where you at? Not only out late, but she goes, shouldn't be a surprise to me. So many nights, so many nights.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

So many nights.

[Jay Jurden]

So what is it?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

You were out in these streets?

[Jay Jurden]

What? Emily. Emily listened to Phil Mob. She said, sick of being lonely every night while my man is out with the homies.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

My man, my man, my man. Always out in these streets. Who's doing the bending? That's what Emily was gonna say next. She's tired of it.

[Jay Jurden]

Emily said, who's doing the boy?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

So he responded that he'll work on their communication, adding that he saw the northern lights and they were pink. He then texted, I love you.

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[Jay Jurden]

Lacey, I can't. Where? Okay. Hey, baby. I might have snuck out to do some night yacking. Da, da, da. That would have been nice to know. What shouldn't surprise me anyway. I'm so used to you being gone. And he said, I'm gonna work on communicating with you. By the way, I snuck out to see the northern lights. They are so pretty whimsical.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

He's whimsical as hell. Hey.

[Jay Jurden]

I'm getting sick of this.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Already.

[Jay Jurden]

This would be a scam. This is already. This scam hadn't even happened yet.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

A man is a scam. Sorry, Jay. A man is a scam. Not a plan, but a scam.

[Jay Jurden]

Yeah. You are not wrong.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Emily says she loved him, too. And to be safe, she's sick of his. She like. All right, 143.

[Jay Jurden]

143.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Bye. Okay. See you later. And so he said, I'll be Heading back to shore soon. At 10:49pm the next morning, Emily woke up and he was still gone. At 5am she texted, where are you and babe? And got no answer. Also, like, for me, the texting is very informative. Like, if any of this was serious, why don't you call? Like, the texts are given. Like, if you gone cool. Like.

[Jay Jurden]

Listen, I'm gonna add a new perspective. The texts are kind of feeling like she's like, okay, well, if you out, let me go ahead and text my boo so they can come over. How long you gonna be? How long you gonna be gone? What time you coming home?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Why you wanna know how many hours specifically? And also minutes and seconds? No reason.

[Jay Jurden]

No reason.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I'm asking. Just tell me how long. The kids already probably know this man is their uncle. She brought that man around like this, y' all uncle, oh, man, he keep.

[Jay Jurden]

Coming around the house to fix stuff. Yeah, we got a lot of stuff we need fixing.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

We gotta go upstairs and play fight real quick. Don't knock on her door.

[Jay Jurden]

Including your mama. Your mama needs to fix it too.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Period.

[Jay Jurden]

He gotta work on a bunch of stuff around this house he gotta work on.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Look, there's a lot of parts that need lubricating and don't bother us when we upstairs, we play fighting as adults. Okay?

[Jay Jurden]

Hey, y', all, turn this video game up loud.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

So Greenlake County Sheriff's Department deputies found his parked van and an overturned kayak and life jacket in the lake area where the water is 200ft deep. They searched for Ryan's body for 50 days after that, and they found his fishing rod and tackle box. But Ryan had Himself seemed to have drowned. So he did pick a place that was good for, like, searching. Like, yeah, but 200ft deep, they ain't go find you.

[Jay Jurden]

Yeah, but this is Watertown. Green Lake. I'm sorry. This is Green Lake. They ain't looked in the. They ain't looked in the lake. They ain't looked in the lake at all. It feels like he got raptured more than he drowns, right?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Cause he did leave stuff behind.

[Jay Jurden]

He got caught on to glory.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

That movie did something to me. Like, you remember all them books about the rapture and the movies that followed? Like, I was like, if I see some clothes, like shoes and pants and a T shirt just laying out, I'm like, they got raptured.

[Jay Jurden]

But that also means we naked up there until we get. We go get some clothes in heaven. Because I assume that's when they passing out the linens. But you don't get your. You don't get your heavenly garments in the transition. So we naked when we floating up.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I don't wanna be naked when I'm floating up. And then we get in white linen. That's what you think is happening?

[Jay Jurden]

I think you get your heavenly garments once you get there. And they do the second verification.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I don't know. This might be dark, but every day that I don't wanna put on cute outfits, I remember, like, this could be the outfit I die in. So it needs to be cunty. I'm like, I gotta put on some good clothes. Cause what if I die? I'm in em today.

[Jay Jurden]

Okay? I mean, there is. Lacey, I think that your career has been going so well. You could just go, hey, people are gonna, like, possibly take a photo of me, or someone's gonna see me. You could use that angle instead of death. I think that's a motivator. That is less stressful.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

It's less dramatic. For sure. That could be.

[Jay Jurden]

I love the show. Ooh, I love the pot.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Oh, you're healing me. I should try that. Yeah. Chad. I haven't been. The places I get recognized are always so inconvenient. It'd be like the doctor's office, and they'd be like, I love your show. And I'm handing over all my HIPAA information.

[Jay Jurden]

I'm like, let's be real. Cause whenever I go, they get my prep. Every three months for the past two times I've been to one medical, someone said, no, I'm not. And even if I was, chill out.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Not you going to get your horror medications.

[Jay Jurden]

I'm trying to get my hoe pills.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And they're like, we recognize you.

[Jay Jurden]

I go, oh, oh, let me get.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Your hoe pills real quick.

[Jay Jurden]

Could you sign this?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Could you sign this for me?

[Jay Jurden]

They go, ugh, I. I love the clips. I go, well, you know what I don't love? Maybe not. Or maybe having gonorrhea. Let's go. Let me go to the back real quick. Why don't you give me this shot of my butt? What you talking about something you love the clips.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Oh, they love the clips. I gotta tell you. So the devil went down to Georgia. Okay, the country.

[Jay Jurden]

Oh, he escaped.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

He was looking for a soul to steal. Remember that song? Yeah.

[Jay Jurden]

Charlie Dayton's man, he went to Georgia.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

The country.

[Jay Jurden]

That's not like Western Europe. That's like Eastern Europe. Almost Central Eastern.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And what happened was Ryan kayaked out into the middle of the lake. He texted his wife, threw the phone Overboard and inflated a child sized raft he had with him. Then he flipped the kayak over and paddled the child raft to the other side of the lake. It took a long time because of the child sized paddles.

[Jay Jurden]

Okay. It's not funny to leave your family.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

It look, it is fun.

[Jay Jurden]

It is funny. It is funny to do it like this. I'm a student of the classics. I love a good physical bit. Him having to blow this, there's so.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Much time to think. He's on a child rap with child rap paddles. And the whole time he's like, yep, this is the right choice. I'm leaving my family.

[Jay Jurden]

I think the only way this is funn. As if he has water wings on the whole time. And he goes, oh. And he flips it over and he's.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I mean, you wanted to leave your family real bad. Honestly, you probably weren't contributing to the family. We've heard from your wife, Emily. She was sick of your shit. Like, you weren't contributing and you bought.

[Jay Jurden]

A child raft and didn't even let your kids play with it. No, you bought a child raft. They say, oh, dad, you buy that for us? I mean, kind of. It ain't. Not in the way you think. Not in the way you think. Not in the way you think. I'm not buying it for you. Oh, yeah, I'm buying it for you.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah, we're all gonna get a benefit out of it. Don't worry about what that is right now. But we all gonna benefit from this child, right? Oh, my God. He had stashed an e bike in the woods wheat weeks earlier and rode that for 70 miles through the night to the Wisconsin capital of Madison, where he caught a Greyhound bus to the Canadian border. Like, did you take a page out of Harriet Tubman's book? Because, oh my God, this is really escaping to freedom.

[Jay Jurden]

I mean, Ryan said, follow the drinking gourd. I get it. I understand it.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Did you didn't even. You. You stashed a bike across this lake with the child boat. You planned this. I know. This was giddy as hell. I bet you his family was like, he, he was so happy before he left. Like, because he planned this out to.

[Jay Jurden]

A T. Oh my God. They were like, he really does love these night kayakings.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

He was like, I'll take the kids to softball today. Like, he was excited cause he knew he was gonna dip out on his family.

[Jay Jurden]

This definitely this defin day where he's like, y' all want some McDonald's?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Right? He got McDonald's money on this day, specifically only this day, they said, dad.

[Jay Jurden]

We'Re gonna be late for school. Don't worry about that.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Don't worry about that. Don't worry about that.

[Jay Jurden]

Don't worry about that. I'll come in and sign y' all out.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Border agents were suspicious because he showed up with no phone and no license. They asked if he was married and if he was running away from something, but he said no, so they let him through.

[Jay Jurden]

No, wait. They bad at their job.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I don't know. It's giving insightful. Like, are men constantly thinking about running away from their, like, obligations? Because why is that? Yalls first question, like, hey, you don't got your wallet? Where's your wife at? You running away from her, aren't you? I've thought about it. I've dreamed about it. You doing it. Like, why is that on the question? Listen, you running away from your family.

[Jay Jurden]

What it. How can he have the forethought?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Because he's probably watched a lot of true crime. Like, you can't disappear with your wallet on you and your passport. Then people gonna think you left. Like, it's gotta be like, oh, I went to the lake for fun, and, yeah, the boat turned over and I died. Maybe it's because you hold.

[Jay Jurden]

I'm just such a rule follower. I'd be like, you know, it's late. I'm mad. I'm mad at him for going to the airport and not having his documents ready.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I mean, they let him come. He didn't go to the airport. He went. He drove to Canada.

[Jay Jurden]

Oh, Canadian border.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Got it, got it, got it.

[Jay Jurden]

Okay.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Which is easier than tsa.

[Jay Jurden]

Yeah. Okay. Okay, now I see this.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And he made it to the Toronto airport. So now he at the airport, like you were saying. And he took a flight to Georgia, the country between Russia and Turkey, where he met a woman from Uzbekistan he'd found on a dating app. So he.

[Jay Jurden]

Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Not gay, but worse.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Listen, if he wanted to, he would. This is. This is absolutely an example of that. Like, if your man ain't willing to fake his own death, leave his family, flip a boat over, hide in the woods, drive to Canada, and then get on a flight to Georgia. He don't really like you like that.

[Jay Jurden]

Oh, my God. Yeah. Ladies, you gotta find a man who can commit to you. Even if it means he's committing crime and leaving a family. He's still committing. Okay.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Wow. If he committed crimes, he's still committing. Yeah, yeah.

[Jay Jurden]

It's a woman. It's a woman.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

My standards are way too low. Like I'm about to raise them up even higher. Cause what you mean you ain't gonna fake your own death? Like what? You don't love me for real?

[Jay Jurden]

Get out of my face. Yeah, y' all got ew. Y' all out here dating who are scared to leave their neighborhood to hang.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Out with they men who want to go 5050 on the bills. No, he going 100% on the life. Okay, he go 100%. He going death. Like what? No, I'm done. I'm raising the bar. The bar is in hell and I'm raising it because. What do you mean? If you love me, fake your own death. Robbery.

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[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

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[Jay Jurden]

This is wild. Because if he threw the phone. He didn't have a phone. So this woman, this Ubekistan woman in Georgia is committed to memory. He got it locked up here. He loves this Uzbekistanian woman.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

C is so funny.

[Jay Jurden]

He in love with us. He don't. He don't give a what Borat was talking about.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

He don't care about Kaz, period. He need a Uzbek going over there. Okay.

[Jay Jurden]

He said, my, oh, my, oh, my, oh, my Oobekistanian woman.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Like what she got going on online. That Uzbek boo is this powerful.

[Jay Jurden]

I need to talk to her. Write the.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Write the book, Uz.

[Jay Jurden]

Write the book.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Because you got some stuff going on.

[Jay Jurden]

She put something on him. She put that pickled herring on him.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Tia Webb.

[Jay Jurden]

She put that borscht on him.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

What kind of gelatins you got over there?

[Jay Jurden]

Yeah. Okay.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Period.

[Jay Jurden]

So while Ryan was missing, once you go ooze back, your family will check to see if you escaped.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah. So while Ryan was missing and presumed dead. Right. His body was suspiciously still not found. A TikTok that might have had him in it went viral. So leave it to TikTok.

[Jay Jurden]

Oh, my. The surveillance state helps us once again.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Need advice on anything.

[Jay Jurden]

I go to Uzbekistan or stay here.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Oh, say that one more time.

[Jay Jurden]

Do I go to Uzbekistan?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Understand? A bike. Do you have family there?

[Jay Jurden]

No. Why do you want to go meet a woman.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Meet a woman. And it was as back Uzbekistan. Uzbekistan. You don't like American women?

[Jay Jurden]

No, they're familiar.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

What? What?

[Jay Jurden]

No, they're family. Not familiar. That's your wife.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

That's true.

[Jay Jurden]

They're not familiar.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

They're family. You have offspring, bro? What do you mean? What do you mean? Not you trying to be a passport. Like a passport bro. And you already have a family. Like. Be serious. It's too late for you to do this.

[Jay Jurden]

I'm seeing this video. I see the scheme. This scheme energy I saw in the wedding photo. It is present in this bike still. And you pointed out this motherfucker do love bikes. I'm oh, why you want to be.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

On wheels so much? Where do you need to go so fast?

[Jay Jurden]

Yeah, you got two feet, huh? Why you always need molds of transportation?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Ride on motorcycles. Like, why do you need to go somewhere so fast and cut through traffic? Cause you're a scammer.

[Jay Jurden]

No, this is crazy. He asked. Allegedly. Allegedly. He asked.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

He know he already had the plan lined up, and he was like, I just need one person to confirm. He couldn't tell. And you know what? This makes sense, too, because he couldn't tell none of his friends, his family. If he had told anybody that he was planning this escape, they would have known. So he does need to talk to strangers, because who else he gonna talk to about it?

[Jay Jurden]

And I'm gonna say this, you old lecherous buzzard, you hitting on this little girl, too? I don't like the energy you giving her.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Mm.

[Jay Jurden]

I'm looking at this photo.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

He like, do you wanna go with me? Like, you just out here for anybody. You just giving it out.

[Jay Jurden]

Yeah, I'm real. Yeah. What the hell, Ryan? I'm mad. I'm. Is this. This is silly and funny.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Me?

[Jay Jurden]

But you old dirty dog.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Dirty ass dog. And the Green Lake Sheriff's Office said on his Facebook page they believe the person in the video was not Ryan. Just another similar looking guy who was thinking about leaving his wife for an Eastern European woman he met online. Okay, y' all really doing bros before hoes?

[Jay Jurden]

Because.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah, that's a lot of specifics to be like, it's not him. No, it's just a similar guy with the same story and the same motivation, and he looked exactly like him, but it's not him.

[Jay Jurden]

And he's asking about that specific country. Yeah. Why y' all running interference on this? This is wild, right? Is this Wisconsin?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Right. So, during the search, investigators scoured the lake using divers, drones, sonar, and cadaver canines. They were in cadaver canines, if you don't know, is a dog that can smell like a dead body. There was, like, nearly, like, daily drone searches. A volunteer search organization called Bruce's Legacy methodically searched approximately, like, 1500 acres and sifted through hours and hours of sonar data and images. When they still found no body, they started to suspect foul play. Police traced the real Ryan's movements by using data on a laptop he left behind. They saw that he had been talking to a woman named Katya.

[Jay Jurden]

Mm.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

He'd met on a dating website since 2023.

[Jay Jurden]

Katya. I knew RuPaul's Drag Race was responsible for this. Somehow I knew it. I knew somehow, Paramount, cbs, the merger.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Let me call Trixie. Cause, Katya, mtv, We know what you say.

[Jay Jurden]

Yeah, Katya, I'm upset.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

So By February of 2024, they had become close friends, him and Katya, and began researching how to fake his own death. That April.

[Jay Jurden]

Oh, my God.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

They learned pretty quickly that he had taken out a life insurance policy, applied for a replacement passport, and reversed his vasectomy three months before his disappearance. So you got three kids reversed. And your wife says, shut that dick off. Shut it off.

[Jay Jurden]

You remember how we used to hit the wall on them folks? Put that dick away. Yeah, that's what they did with his vast deference.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah, they cut his vast deference off. Like, whoa. And then he went and got it uncut, meaning he was planning to have more offspring. Bro, you don't take care of the kids you got. Why you trying to get Kyle pregnant?

[Jay Jurden]

You left them, K. You done took a kink out the garden hose, and now you gonna go have some Uzbekistan Georgian babies.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Becky babies, Uzbeki babies. You don't even wanna take care of your American babies.

[Jay Jurden]

Yeah, why you. You running off with Uzbeki with the good hair?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

That's what it is. Uzbeki with the good hair.

[Jay Jurden]

You running off with Uzbeki with the good hair. Cause you think this family isn't important. Man, shout out to Emily. Cause, girl, you stronger than me.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Ooh, child.

[Jay Jurden]

Emily. I hope Emily was getting something on the side, too. Like I said, I hope some man was coming over to work on that house.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I hope there was an uncle who was coming over and working on everything, including Emily.

[Jay Jurden]

I knew that every couple weeks, Emily had to go see a man about a horse. That's what I hope, period.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Okay? That's what Emily deserves. Okay. Emily, you should have been putting that Drano in them meatloafs that you was making. Okay? Like, oh, kids, this not for you. This daddy piece. He get the biggest piece of meatloaf. Why is it blue? Don't worry about that. You know, like, she need to get out of there. The women are telling me they can grow stuff in the garden for poisons as well. Like, you know, sometimes you got to get somebody up out of there.

[Jay Jurden]

Like, I'm trying to do something a little different. You don't. Like, I'm. You don't want to try some new food?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

No, the blue. The bluer it is, the better it tastes. Like, you need to eat that.

[Jay Jurden]

You ain't culture. You never been nowhere. He said, I'm about to go Somewhere. What was that? I'm about to go somewhere to Georgia.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Oh, okay.

[Jay Jurden]

Shout out to Gladys Knight. This man took a midnight train to Georgia. He did the country.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

He took a midnight bike to Georgia. Okay. Which I.

[Jay Jurden]

He's going back to fine. Oh, my God.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Going back to fine. Different place your time. Gotta uncut my penis. Okay, cool. So they found Katya's email address and sent emails to her with the subject, call us. Very important. It worked. In November, Ryan sent back a video of himself saying, I'm in my apartment. I am safe, secure. There's no problem. Over a month of emailing back and forth, investigators convinced him to return to Wisconsin largely by pleading with him to do right by his family. He flew back to the US In December. So let's see. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. The police.

[Jay Jurden]

The police, the police. The way they got him back, is it you ain't shit pieces.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

God.

[Jay Jurden]

Bring your. Bring your dog ass back here.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Bring your bitch ass back to the stage. You know you got a family.

[Jay Jurden]

You know you were in the wrong.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And put your vast difference away. You already got a family.

[Jay Jurden]

They said, they pleaded what we know.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

You out here doing shenanigans. Three faked his own death and fled to Eastern Europe. They found he'd been chatting with a woman online. And this morning we're getting a glimpse into his new life overseas and new details of his escape. Details. Okay, we got details of his escape.

[Jay Jurden]

Good evening, it's Ryan Borbort.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

This morning, new video of the Wisconsin father of three who police say faked his death and fled the country.

[Jay Jurden]

Today is November 11th. It's approximately 10am by you guys.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Why'd you. You trying to act like he a hostage? You ran away from your family. You not a hostage.

[Jay Jurden]

I'm sick of here. No problem.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Hope this works.

[Jay Jurden]

You hope this works? What you hoping works that we get more mad at you? You want George Stephanopoulos to agree with you? You want Robin Roberts at 7am in the morning be like, oh, it seems like a good dude. What the hell is this supposed to do besides piss us off?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I'm not a parent, but I am an older sister by 13 years from the youngest, and I know what it's like to deal with children. And I'm sure this is a fantasy of many parents who don't know what they're getting into. Like, I could just leave the country and start a new life.

[Jay Jurden]

Do you? My mama told me many times when I turned 30, she said, Baby, if Michael Jordan would have called, I would have dropped you and your siblings off at the fire station. But he didn't.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

It would have been a cute basket. I would have put hella blankets in it. Like, you gots to go.

[Jay Jurden]

Let's be serious. This man, he had to be convinced by the Green Lake and Watertown Sheriff Department to just come back and stop being such a piece of shit.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And, like, what's that conversation? Hey, Ryan, it's the sheriff's department.

[Jay Jurden]

Hey.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Hey, man. Like, man, look, we all hate our families.

[Jay Jurden]

Yeah, I respect it.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

We all hate our families. You can come hang out with us. We. On Thursdays, we have a happy hour where we hate our families, where we talk about how much we hate them and our wives like, but come on back. Like, you already. You did it. You got a family now. I mean, come hate them at home.

[Jay Jurden]

I know the town's small, but, man, I'mma tell you, hey, man, it's some good pussy here in Green Lake. You don't got to go.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

You got to Uzbekistan to cheat.

[Jay Jurden]

Uzbekistan?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

That's too far away.

[Jay Jurden]

You know, that's not what we do. What do we do? We stay married to our wives, and we have long affairs. And the women show up at our funeral, and then they can have the fight while we are already in the ground. We in the ground.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And you can fuck us, too. We. We have sexes with men.

[Jay Jurden]

Like, they go, I seen the wedding photo.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

We.

[Sponsor Announcer]

We.

[Jay Jurden]

I suck your dick.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

That's manly. The manliest thing you can do.

[Jay Jurden]

We just. We just hanging out.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

But you can't.

[Jay Jurden]

Hey, man, you can't.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

You can't up and leave your family.

[Jay Jurden]

Like, you went too far.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

You doing too much, too much.

[Jay Jurden]

You making us look bad. Not my wife. You be gone a lot at night, too. No. You blowing all our spots up, Ryan.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah, we used to all be able to go out at night, and now they worried that we not gonna come back. Yeah, we cheating, but, like, now they worried about it.

[Jay Jurden]

We cheating, but we come back home. We come back home.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

That's the fundamental core of cheating, is.

[Jay Jurden]

You come back home and you come back home mad.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

You mad you have to pick a fight, and then you go to sleep and you don't talk to nobody for a few days. That's what we do. You blowing up the spot. Everybody looking at us crazy. We can't even have our Thursday night manly session. But also the cheating, and. And we can't even do it right now. Cause they worried about you. Going to Uzbekistan is crazy.

[Jay Jurden]

That's crazy. Imagine you hate your wife so much, you go, you hate Your wife so much, you get. You said, ooh, let me move next to Russia. I said, this bitch tripping this happen. Getting on my nerves.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I don't like so much you moved to Uzbekistan, bro. She. Emily leave this man. I'm sorry. Emily like, you can't stay with him. Cause why would he do that?

[Jay Jurden]

This man is wild. Most men, all it takes, you just gotta let them build a shed. You gotta maybe have a man cave. Let him get a Corvette. Uzbekistan let him get a motorcycle.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

He hated y'.

[Jay Jurden]

All.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Uzbekistan, yeah, he hated y'. All.

[Jay Jurden]

For real. God.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And so before they booked Ryan into jail, Greenlake investigators asked him during a three hour interview why he did it. He said he felt like. Like a failure, saying later in the interview that he has accumulated about $75,000 in credit card debt and 130,000 in business debt. He said he didn't have a good relationship with his wife. Clearly, we not shocked about that. And his children didn't want anything to do with him anymore, which obviously your bad vibes. Like.

[Jay Jurden]

Yeah. I mean, you.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I'mma give him this one thing, and this is the bar is in hell. The bar is in hell.

[Jay Jurden]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

But a lot of times, when specifically white men are in this financial position with their family, they'll kill the whole family. They'll family annihilate.

[Jay Jurden]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

He annihilated himself and left the family alone. I'm glad he didn't kill everybody. So.

[Jay Jurden]

Right. We can't.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

That's the bars in hell.

[Jay Jurden]

But we can't give you your tens. I'm going to give you your 0.5. You didn't murder these people, and we're.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Glad that you did it. You take lives away because of your own failures. Because we know people of your ilk. That's like their go to playbook. Like, I'm not doing well in lifetime to kill everybody. I know.

[Jay Jurden]

Lacey said. Lacey said the milk ilk. Y' all be killing folks.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And look, everybody of every race be killing folks. But the arbitrary killing, that's one that's been solely assigned to y'. All. Y' all just be killing anybody.

[Jay Jurden]

Like.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Like it don't even matter. Like.

[Jay Jurden]

But I mean, here's the wild part. The convincing worked. He came back and then he said, man, I don't know why y' all want me back. They don't even like me.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

We clearly know they don't like your ass. Your wife was not even looking for you that hard. It don't sound like she put up a single poster on like a lamp. Pole or. Or nothing.

[Jay Jurden]

She said, well, he's not under the bed. I don't know what to tell y'. All.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Well, he disappeared, I guess. Like, she wasn't posting nothing up about you. There was no vigil. Nobody bought a candle for your ass.

[Jay Jurden]

Someone said, how's Emily holding up? I saw Emily at the club.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

She was turning up.

[Jay Jurden]

She looks younger. She glowing. Oh, my God.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah, better.

[Jay Jurden]

How the kids doing? They doing better in school. They less stress thrive. One of them a varsity?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah, they seem really. I think I went to a rally. They were like, stop looking. It was a stop looking rally. They said, stop looking for him.

[Jay Jurden]

They said, we're good. Stop looking. We're good. We don't want him to be found. Don't save him. He don't want to be saved. Don't save him. Okay.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

So this is a quote. It says, I think, think just the inability, like, the inability to feel like you could talk to your wife about some of this stuff. Like, that's what Ryan said. And he called the plan his crazy emotional dream. Ryan said he hoped that he could avoid detection long enough to be declared legally dead. At that point, he planned to apply for citizenship in Georgia, but hadn't figured out how to do that if he was declared dead. Yeah, the math. Don't math on that because you can't be dead in a citizen. Like, what are you trying to do? Yeah. So throughout the interview with detectives, Ryan kept asking whether Katya was in trouble. You know, his Uzbekistani and booty. He said he would like to return to her because the cost of living is so much cheaper in Georgia than the U.S. listen, okay? This is a recession indicator. Family annihilators ain't even annihilating the family no more. They're like, that's too expensive.

[Jay Jurden]

He said, I can't buy all that rope. What? That's expensive.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I'm just gonna go to Uzbekistan. It's way better cost of living.

[Jay Jurden]

Oh, my God. Also, you came back and you said, oh, by the way, Katya ain't in trouble. Right?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Right. My boob is. And he ain't even asking because he cares about Katya. He asking cause he want to go back to Katya. Like, is she gonna be in the prison? Because that's my boo thang.

[Jay Jurden]

So Emily, slap this man. You gotta slap him. The police gonna let you get one slap. You know how whenever you see the police handcuff a man and he's like, done wrong by the wife, and the police will let you get one slap. Now you can Try, too. Yeah. Hey, hey. Stop it. I mean, like, get you one good arrest, rest, slap. Emily. You gotta slap fire out this man for asking. Is Katya in trouble?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

You in trouble. He serious. He asked about his wife. He. Sir, be serious. Be serious.

[Jay Jurden]

This man that you talk about wilding. This man is wild. Katie ain't in trouble, right? What?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Cause I need to go back over there because the cost of living is cheaper. Like, look, listen. This is a recession indicator. He was like, eggs are too expensive. I have to fake my death and leave my family.

[Jay Jurden]

Oh, my God.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

This is what it's come to. These are rational choices we have to make right now in this economy. Like, you can keep being with your family and loving them, or you could fake your own death and go to Uzbekistan. And honestly, that's starting to look good. That's starting to look like an option that we should consider.

[Jay Jurden]

You know what I'm calling it right now? Now, let's think. We ideate. We come up with a good pitch outline, but we make it kind of Eat, Pray, Love where someone does this, but it turns out okay. It's kind of cute. I mean, okay, we have.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Why was he trying to get that lady pregnant again, though? Like, it's giving. You get women pregnant to trap them. Because why. Why you over here untangling your vast difference so you can have some more kids. You got some more kids.

[Jay Jurden]

That's more his Emily in Paris moment.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Mm.

[Jay Jurden]

Mm.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

He was trying to trap our Uzbekistani and queen so he could stay over there.

[Jay Jurden]

Wait.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Cause.

[Jay Jurden]

Wait a second. Yeah, you trying to have a Uzbekian anchor baby, cuz you got. You got the. You got the vasectomy reversed, and the wife didn't know. The wife didn't know.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

You crazy for that. And at the end of the interview, he asked the detectives if he could use the Justice Center's WiFi to let Katya know he was okay.

[Jay Jurden]

Oh, my God.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

One of the deputies told Ryan he emailed her for him. It's unclear if the deputies actually did email her, but they like, bro, you tripping. What you mean you want to use our WI fi to tell your. Your Uzbekistan lover that you cheating with that? You okay? What about your wife? What about your kids?

[Jay Jurden]

Like, you're crazy, Ryan. You're in jail, by the way. Hey, can I. Can I. Yo, can I. I gotta.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Call BAE real quick.

[Jay Jurden]

What's the WI fi password? For what? I gotta see if Katya's okay. Huh?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

What?

[Jay Jurden]

Yeah. I gotta make sure that, you know, my love is all right. Okay.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

My man. My man. My man. My baby. My baby. Actually, you know what?

[Jay Jurden]

Write a note for her. Fold it up. I'mma send it to her like B.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

For real. Sorry, bro. And Ryan pleaded no contest to a misdemeanor charge of obstruction, which is obviously connected to him faking his own death. Prosecutors asked the Green Lake County Circuit Judge, Mark State or Mark Slate to sentence ryan to just 45 days in jail. But the judge doubled it, sentencing him to 89 days. The same number of days from when he was declared missing until the sheriff's department made contact with him overseas. The judge said it should be a deterrent to other people. See, the manosphere is really manosphering right now. They said, we all want to leave our family. Like, it's giving jealousy. It's giving jealousy that he's.

[Jay Jurden]

You don't think I want to leave my wife and these ugly ass kids every day? No.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I hate everybody in my family, but I'm a man, so I drink beers and be sad, but I don't leave my family. Now you got to go to jail for 89 days to remember you don't leave your family that you made.

[Jay Jurden]

Yeah, I'm gonna lock you up for 89 days. Cause you was away for 89 days. Okay, so I wait, judge, just so I'm clear, my family ain't gonna be in jail, right? No.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Okay. I'm good. He got another vacation. He got another vacation. Yo, low key. What if the judge was, like, being a homie and was like, yeah, but you get. I'm gonna give you 89 so you can get away from your family for even longer? Just a little bit longer, man.

[Jay Jurden]

The judge come up to him, whisper, man, I know she tripping, man.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I know she tripping. No, we hate. We hate.

[Jay Jurden]

I mean, a real judge would have said, nah, you sit your dumb ass at home with them kids for eight forever, right?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Cause the real prison sentence, honestly, seems to be being with his family.

[Jay Jurden]

Yeah, lock him up in the cage at home.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

That's where he really served a time. Y' all should have gave him house arrest. Cause then he has to be with his family. That's the punishment he needs. Clearly, he hated over there. He also had to pay $30,000 to Greenlake county to reimburse them for the cost of searching for him.

[Jay Jurden]

Lacey, Lacey. We know this nigga ain't got it. 75,000 worth of credit card debt, 100,000 worth of business card debt. They said on top of that, we need another 30 bands. He said, I told y', all, I'M sorry.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Basically not enough debt to leave your family in the country for it. Like, you could have made that money work. Chapter 11 bankruptcy or something. Like, what do you. What do you mean? You left for that much? That's not enough, right? 175000. Be serious. You figure that out.

[Jay Jurden]

First day out, Ryan gonna sound like thug. Didn't nobody give me nothing when I was in jail. Y' all didn't check on me and Emily.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Poor Emily.

[Jay Jurden]

Emily Maria, the scientist.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

She. She did file for divorce in December, two days after Ryan returned to the US So when she knew he was alive and well, she was like, well, I'm gonna get this divorce, so. Baby, you was already divorced. This man was never your husband. I can guarantee you.

[Jay Jurden]

You were a widow for a hot minute for eight or nine days, you was a widow.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And that's why she was like, oh, I need this divorce. Because, like, yeah, it was gonna be cool if he just died.

[Jay Jurden]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Also, like, if he had life insurance, I would have been pissed off that he ain't dead. Like, we. We was gonna be set up. You mean to tell me you alive? You coming back and alive it on me.

[Jay Jurden]

You know, and I'm. And I'm going to say this now. I'm looking at the picture. Your goofy ass was lucky to be with Emily. Emily looks like she's delightful. Your goofy ass taking these photos, looking goofy on your wedding day and pulling some goofy ass shit like that.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And look at this.

[Jay Jurden]

You're lucky.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

These kids look happy, you know, in a picture when everybody's leaning in and touching each other. They had a nice childhood. Emily done made a nice childhood for these babies.

[Jay Jurden]

Had the big Crayola weird ass.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

My kids don't like me. They don't like you, cuz You a bad vibe. You a weirdo. It's your fault.

[Jay Jurden]

I'm mad, Ryan. You done pissed me off today. Emily didn't deserve this, Ryan.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

This ain't even a good scam. This ain't even a good scam. First of all, you done let the police convince you to come back home. So the SC. You gave up the scam. You ain't even get the uzbeki lady you was trying to be with. Like. And now you in jail for 89. That's. And then you gotta go back to your family. Like, what did you accomplish?

[Jay Jurden]

You looking dumb over some Uzbek booty.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Uzbekki booty. And you didn't even get that booty.

[Jay Jurden]

You didn't even get it for long. Oh, my God. And now your Goofy ass gotta come back home. I'm sorry. He got caught because they said, ryan, we know it's you. No, you don't. Ryan.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

No. Ryan, we know it's you. No, I'm not.

[Jay Jurden]

Okay, you got me.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And for all the work that he did, like, bro, you faked your own drowning. You got a kid's lifeboat with tiny little ores that took you hours to row over to a bicycle, that then you rolled the bicycle, and then. And then you left the country. You did all of this ebike for 70 miles, bro. You did all of this just to return to the country and be a loser. I'm disappointed in you because what kind of scheme is this?

[Jay Jurden]

Yeah, how the hell can you, like, bike for 70 miles? But you can't. I don't know. You can't just be like, hey, let's. Let's take a break for a little bit in America. What?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

This is goofy as hell.

[Jay Jurden]

Like, masculinity is a prison. Masculinity is a prison. Because you telling me you'd rather. You'd rather fake your own death than have, like, an actual heart to heart with your wife? That's crazy.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

That's literally it. And it's a prison that men have made for themselves. Y' all put y' allself in the masculinity prison.

[Jay Jurden]

This lady, this. This Internet lady then got your pita whack a little hard, and now you ready to throw it all away?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

What?

[Jay Jurden]

Ooh, it's Becca stairs. Yeah, I mean, also, he went and.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Had surgery reversed for this lady.

[Jay Jurden]

You.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

You went and let them play with your penis again because of this lady? Cause he wanted to trap her with.

[Jay Jurden]

A baby Reverse vasectomy.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Me?

[Jay Jurden]

You got the vasectomy reversed. You'd rather do that than be like, hey, let's have a talk. I'm in, like, some really hard trouble. Okay, well, what do I get? I don't know what to do.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Literally, you could have been like, hey, the businesses are failing. We're gonna have to tighten up on groceries and stuff this month. But I'm gonna work it out. You couldn't have that conversation. So much so that you got in a boat and then got in a raft and then got on an e bike for 70 miles, then crossed the border, then flew to Uzbekistan.

[Jay Jurden]

Really faking your own death when you could have just picked up a couple extra shifts. Hey, you could have been. You could have been.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

That's too embarrassing. That's too embarrassing. The natural choice is to fake my own death. You can't be a.

[Jay Jurden]

You can't be a Uber driver for a little bit while you throw your shit out.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

No, it's time to fake my death. Death. Anytime I got a problem, faking the death is what the solution is.

[Jay Jurden]

This is why I am blown away and also just how scared he is too. Cuz guess what? It took one person to be like, ryan, get your ass over here.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Okay, right. You gonna fly back cuz they called you.

[Jay Jurden]

That's what I'm saying.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Like, you could have just hung up the phone. Not to quote Tyler, the creator, I know he's weird sometimes, but like, if online is bullying, you close your eyes. Like you don't have to take it in. Like, why you could have hung up the phone.

[Jay Jurden]

Lacey, guess what? We don't even get to do this story. If Ryan just says no.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

That'S all he had to do. Be like, Emily, I'm gonna be right back over there. Hold on. Hang up.

[Jay Jurden]

Oh, wait a second. Where? Oh, yeah, yeah, hold on. Let me get y' all my new info.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

But honestly, that was men using the toxicity for good. They were like, nah, we all suffer together. Get your bitch ass back over here and hate your family in person like we do. Like, why are you trying to leave?

[Jay Jurden]

Hate your family in person. Yeah, yeah. You think I look, hey, come in here. You think I don't like these? You think I like these ugly ass kids I got?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

No, I hate them. But I have honor in my heart, so I hate them in person. That's what you supposed to do. Get your bitch ass back over here to the States.

[Jay Jurden]

Oh my God, Ryan. I've never seen someone who wanted to become an international criminal so little they said we know you over there.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Okay, okay, I'm a go, bae. All right. But we always ask at the end of the show. Jay, is there anywhere you'd like to be found? Social media, Anything you want to promote shows. Anything.

[Jay Jurden]

You can find me on all social mediaejurden. J A Y J U R D E N On all of the social medias sites, including the crazy ones. And go to jjordan.com for tickets. I'm gonna be on tour throughout 2026 with a new material. It's an entirely new hour. So you can watch the special. You can see me live. It'll be two different hours.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

A real hour, not a scam.

[Jay Jurden]

Yeah, I'm not bringing five people up on stage and be like, they all gonna do 15. 15? Three people do 15. That's 45 minutes. Yeah. So no, you don't have to worry about that.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I love that. And as always, like, oh, I forgot.

[Jay Jurden]

To promote my show. I'm doing a show in Uzbekistan. I am. I'm going to Uzbekistan to do a show.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Y', all. Even if you're in Uzbekistan. The book Scam Goddess, you can get it downloaded. If you like audio, you can buy it in hard copy wherever you like to get your books going. Dutch:Jan 15 so we're airing right now. Like, watch the show. Conway. She's not a scammer. She is. And Diva Lacey D I V A L A C I Diva Lacey on all platforms. Scam Goddess Pod. If you want to see the photos or anything from this episode and y' all on Apple Podcast, go ahead and leave a little cute review. Okay? Do something nice for a black woman. That could be your activism for the day is write a nice review on Apple Podcast. We appreciate you and congregation. I want y' all to get out there and I want y' all to keep faking your death. Sometimes problems are too hard, hard to surmount. And the rational solution is to fake your own death. Okay.

[Jay Jurden]

Go night yakking. I'm about to. You know what? I might have night yak. I might have some yak tonight. Watch the special J. Jordan. Yes, ma'. Am. On Hulu and Amazon prime and Apple TV plus now too. But yeah, have some night yak.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Have night yak. You need that. You need that. Amen. Scam Goddess. Scam Goddess stars and is hosted by me, Lacey Moseley, AKA Scam Goddess. Our producer is Jessica Cisneros and our audio engineer is Rich Garcia. Research for the show is conducted by Kate Doyle. Stay scheming.

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